promising to deliver for the people of northern ireland. now on bbc news — newscast. hello, i hello, lam hello, i am thinking of famous collaborations through history, and am doing it with victoria derbyshire from newsnight.— am doing it with victoria derbyshire from newsnight._ and from newsnight. hello stop hi. and nick from newsnight _ from newsnight. hello stop hi. and nick from newsnight to. _ from newsnight. hello stop hi. and nick from newsnight to. hi. - from newsnight. hello stop hi. and | nick from newsnight to. hi. famous collapse? and thing of lady gaga and beyonce. collapse? and thing of lady gaga and be once. �* ., collapse? and thing of lady gaga and be once. i, ., ,, collapse? and thing of lady gaga and beyonce-_ i'm - collapse? and thing of lady gaga and beyonce-_ i'm going i beyonce. bowie of queen. i'm going to say kylie — beyonce. bowie of queen. i'm going to say kylie and _ beyonce. bowie of queen. i'm going to say kylie and jason. _ beyonce. bowie of queen. i'm going to say kylie and jason. especially - to say kylie and jason. especially for ou, to say kylie and jason. especially for you. i'm _ to say kylie and jason. especially for you, i'm feeling _ to say kylie and jason. especially for you, i'm feeling under - to say kylie and jason. especially l for you, i'm feeling under pressure because what i have done, i have kind of invaded the newsnight outside broadcast in birmingham which will be on bbc two tonight life, and it is quite a fancy production you have here. we are in the central — production you have here. we are in the central ivory _ production you have here. we are in the central ivory of— production you have here. we are in the central ivory of birmingham, - the central ivory of birmingham, it's a stunning building, the heart of it is a cylinder, essentially, and so each floor, you are

surrounded by a circle of books. it's appropriate for new skies because _ it's appropriate for new skies because adam fleming is the more intellectual side of the bc, and all these _ intellectual side of the bc, and all these books here, we actually had surprised — these books here, we actually had surprised him out of the mediaeval history— surprised him out of the mediaeval history section, but we are lucky he is here _ history section, but we are lucky he is here now — history section, but we are lucky he is here now. the history section, but we are lucky he is here "ow-— is here now. the funny thing is, we have been — is here now. the funny thing is, we have been sat _ is here now. the funny thing is, we have been sat in _ is here now. the funny thing is, we have been sat in front _ is here now. the funny thing is, we have been sat in front of— is here now. the funny thing is, we have been sat in front of the - have been sat in front of the computing section, so i don't know how good yourjavascript per programming is. we will catch up with one newsnight is doing on what is happening in the general election campaign today. heirs is happening in the general election campaign today-— is happening in the general election campaign today. new skies from the bbc. campaign today. new skies from the sac. hello, — campaign today. new skies from the sac. hello, it's— campaign today. new skies from the sac. hello, it's adam _ campaign today. new skies from the bbc. hello, it's adam in _ campaign today. new skies from the | bbc. hello, it's adam in birmingham. hello it's victoria _ bbc. hello, it's adam in birmingham. hello it's victoria in _ bbc. hello, it's adam in birmingham. hello it's victoria in eminem. - bbc. hello, it's adam in birmingham. hello it's victoria in eminem. and - hello it's victoria in eminem. and it's nick in — hello it's victoria in eminem. and it's nick in birmingham. this - hello it's victoria in eminem. and it's nick in birmingham. this is i it's nick in birmingham. this is where you _ it's nick in birmingham. this is where you started _ it's nick in birmingham. this is where you started out - it's nick in birmingham. this is where you started out as - it's nick in birmingham. this is where you started out as a - where you started out as a journalist. i where you started out as a journalist-— where you started out as a “ournalist. ., �* ., journalist. i love birmingham, i worked here — journalist. i love birmingham, i worked here in _ journalist. i love birmingham, i worked here in my _ journalist. i love birmingham, i worked here in my first - journalist. i love birmingham, i worked here in my first job - journalist. i love birmingham, i worked here in my first job as l journalist. i love birmingham, i worked here in my first job as a worked here in my firstjob as a report on radio, commercial radio, as you know, had no staff, i was the only reporter and comparative bbc

local radio, there loads of reporters, so we were so hungry. i had sharp elbows, that's where i developed my sharp elbows. what developed my sharp elbows. what was our developed my sharp elbows. what was your favourite — developed my sharp elbows. what was your favourite story _ developed my sharp elbows. what was your favourite story from _ developed my sharp elbows. what was your favourite story from that. ? - developed my sharp elbows. what was your favourite story from that. ? it - your favourite story from that. ? it was all quite serious stuff, it was the tail end, this is showing my age, the west midlands serious crime squad and the corruption involved in that birmingham is a mega new dispatch, superb use to was around the rotunda and the roads here. band the rotunda and the roads here. and nick, politicaljournalist, part of many tory political conferences. that's right, after the political parties — that's right, after the political parties moved away from the seaside i parties moved away from the seaside i pined _ parties moved away from the seaside i pined for— parties moved away from the seaside i pined for blackbird —— blackpool, it has— i pined for blackbird —— blackpool, it has been— i pined for blackbird —— blackpool, it has been fascinated, near of the last 15_ it has been fascinated, near of the last 15 years, just scale of development. as the incredible economic— development. as the incredible economic development going on and it is the _ economic development going on and it is the new. _ economic development going on and it is the new, by the side of the old,

but the _ is the new, by the side of the old, but the great thing about birmingham are the _ but the great thing about birmingham are the waterways that you just don't _ are the waterways that you just don't see — are the waterways that you just don't see them, they are not obvious, _ don't see them, they are not obvious, but once you know the waterways, incredible.- obvious, but once you know the waterways, incredible. more canals in venice, waterways, incredible. more canals in venice. is— waterways, incredible. more canals in venice, is that _ waterways, incredible. more canals in venice, is that true? _ waterways, incredible. more canals in venice, is that true? it _ waterways, incredible. more canals in venice, is that true? it probably| in venice, is that true? it probably is true. we would go virtually from birmingham to scotland, because the snp launched their manifesto for the election, and the of course was ready steady james cook, hello james. hello, item. do you want to tell us about the vibe launch? the lunch was here _ tell us about the vibe launch? the lunch was here in edinburgh, a place on the _ lunch was here in edinburgh, a place on the outskirts _ lunch was here in edinburgh, a place on the outskirts of— lunch was here in edinburgh, a place on the outskirts of the _ lunch was here in edinburgh, a place on the outskirts of the city, - lunch was here in edinburgh, a place on the outskirts of the city, which i on the outskirts of the city, which i on the outskirts of the city, which i was _ on the outskirts of the city, which i was told — on the outskirts of the city, which i was told was _ on the outskirts of the city, which i was told was a _ on the outskirts of the city, which i was told was a bakery— on the outskirts of the city, which i was told was a bakery and - i was told was a bakery and cultural centre. _ i was told was a bakery and cultural centre. which— i was told was a bakery and cultural centre. which i_ i was told was a bakery and cultural centre, which i didn't _ i was told was a bakery and cultural centre, which i didn't understand, i centre, which i didn't understand, do you _ centre, which i didn't understand, do you know— centre, which i didn't understand, do you know what _ centre, which i didn't understand, do you know what type _ centre, which i didn't understand, do you know what type mints, - centre, which i didn't understand, j do you know what type mints, but centre, which i didn't understand, - do you know what type mints, but the pastries _ do you know what type mints, but the pastries were — do you know what type mints, but the pastries were good, _ do you know what type mints, but the pastries were good, not _ do you know what type mints, but the pastries were good, not much - do you know what type mints, but the pastries were good, not much i - do you know what type mints, but the pastries were good, not much i can. pastries were good, not much i can tell you. _ pastries were good, not much i can tell you. and — pastries were good, not much i can tell you. and the _ pastries were good, not much i can tell you, and the vibe, _ pastries were good, not much i can tell you, and the vibe, it— pastries were good, not much i can tell you, and the vibe, it was- pastries were good, not much i can tell you, and the vibe, it was busy, j tell you, and the vibe, it was busy, lots of— tell you, and the vibe, it was busy, lots of snp — tell you, and the vibe, it was busy, lots of snp politicians _ tell you, and the vibe, it was busy, lots of snp politicians there, - tell you, and the vibe, it was busy, lots of snp politicians there, not . lots of snp politicians there, not 'ust lots of snp politicians there, not justjohn — lots of snp politicians there, not just john swinney. _ lots of snp politicians there, not just john swinney, the _ lots of snp politicians there, not justjohn swinney, the leader, i lots of snp politicians there, not . justjohn swinney, the leader, who was in _ justjohn swinney, the leader, who was in charge — justjohn swinney, the leader, who was in charge of— justjohn swinney, the leader, who was in charge of the _ justjohn swinney, the leader, who was in charge of the launch - justjohn swinney, the leader, who was in charge of the launch but - justjohn swinney, the leader, whol was in charge of the launch but they seemed _ was in charge of the launch but they

seemed pretty— was in charge of the launch but they seemed pretty buoyant, _ was in charge of the launch but they seemed pretty buoyant, it - was in charge of the launch but they seemed pretty buoyant, it seemed. seemed pretty buoyant, it seemed relatively— seemed pretty buoyant, it seemed relatively slick, _ seemed pretty buoyant, it seemed relatively slick, it _ seemed pretty buoyant, it seemed relatively slick, it went _ seemed pretty buoyant, it seemed relatively slick, it went off, - seemed pretty buoyant, it seemed relatively slick, it went off, from . relatively slick, it went off, from their— relatively slick, it went off, from their perspective, _ relatively slick, it went off, from their perspective, without - relatively slick, it went off, from their perspective, without a - relatively slick, it went off, from i their perspective, without a hitch. the document— their perspective, without a hitch. the document is— their perspective, without a hitch. the document is shiny. _ their perspective, without a hitch. the document is shiny. it's- their perspective, without a hitch. the document is shiny. it's not. their perspective, without a hitch. i the document is shiny. it's not very long. _ the document is shiny. it's not very long. only— the document is shiny. it's not very long. only 20 — the document is shiny. it's not very long. only 20 pages _ the document is shiny. it's not very long, only 20 pages long, - the document is shiny. it's not very long, only 20 pages long, and - the document is shiny. it's not very long, only 20 pages long, and i- the document is shiny. it's not very| long, only 20 pages long, and i said tojohn _ long, only 20 pages long, and i said to john swinney. _ long, only 20 pages long, and i said to john swinney, it _ long, only 20 pages long, and i said to john swinney, it smells _ long, only 20 pages long, and i said tojohn swinney, it smells of- tojohn swinney, it smells of ink, he said" — tojohn swinney, it smells of ink, he said" well, _ tojohn swinney, it smells of ink, he said" well, it's _ tojohn swinney, it smells of ink, he said" well, it's been - tojohn swinney, it smells of ink, i he said" well, it's been printed, so it would" _ he said" well, it's been printed, so it would! — he said" well, it's been printed, so it would". �* he said" well, it's been printed, so it would". ~ ., ., _ ., it would". also, we have a copy to the fair, it would". also, we have a copy to the fair. not _ it would". also, we have a copy to the fair, not in _ it would". also, we have a copy to the fair, not in colour, _ it would". also, we have a copy to the fair, not in colour, saving - the fair, not in colour, saving money on the printing, and nick has the open—ended page independence, right at the front, not the first page got but the first few. the first page. _ page got but the first few. the first page, james has it there, it says— first page, james has it there, it says vote — first page, james has it there, it says vote snp for scotland to become an independent country, so if you were _ an independent country, so if you were in— an independent country, so if you were in any— an independent country, so if you were in any doubt, there it is all. i'm were in any doubt, there it is all. i'm sure— were in any doubt, there it is all. i'm sure james can talk about it, but it— i'm sure james can talk about it, but it talks — i'm sure james can talk about it, but it talks about howjohn swinney is saying _ but it talks about howjohn swinney is saying that if they get a majority of parliamentary seats in this westminster election, that would — this westminster election, that would be — this westminster election, that would be a mandates, as they say, to

begin— would be a mandates, as they say, to begin immediate negotiations with the uk _ begin immediate negotiations with the uk government to give democratic effective _ the uk government to give democratic effective the scotland independent. james. _ effective the scotland independent. james, tell us what that paragraph of the manifesto means, because i remember two years ago when nicola sturgeon was first minister and leader of the snp, she said and general election where the snp won the majority of seats in scotland should almost be a referendum and negotiation start straightaway. there has been curious talk about whether— there has been curious talk about whether or— there has been curious talk about whether or not _ there has been curious talk about whether or not the _ there has been curious talk about whether or not the bar— there has been curious talk about whether or not the bar for- whether or not the bar for negotiations— whether or not the bar for negotiations to _ whether or not the bar for negotiations to open - whether or not the bar for negotiations to open on . whether or not the bar for- negotiations to open on scotland simply— negotiations to open on scotland simply succeeded _ negotiations to open on scotland simply succeeded —— _ negotiations to open on scotland simply succeeded —— seceding i negotiations to open on scotland i simply succeeded —— seceding from the rest _ simply succeeded —— seceding from the rest of— simply succeeded —— seceding from the rest of the _ simply succeeded —— seceding from the rest of the united _ simply succeeded —— seceding from the rest of the united kingdom - simply succeeded —— seceding from l the rest of the united kingdom would be a n1ajority— the rest of the united kingdom would be a n1ajority of— the rest of the united kingdom would be a majority of votes _ the rest of the united kingdom would be a majority of votes in _ the rest of the united kingdom would be a majority of votes in a _ the rest of the united kingdom would be a majority of votes in a scottish i be a majority of votes in a scottish referendum. — be a majority of votes in a scottish referendum, which— be a majority of votes in a scottish referendum, which is— be a majority of votes in a scottish referendum, which is obviously a i referendum, which is obviously a much _ referendum, which is obviously a much higher— referendum, which is obviously a much higher bar— referendum, which is obviously a much higher bar than _ referendum, which is obviously a much higher bar than the - referendum, which is obviously ai much higher bar than the majority referendum, which is obviously a i much higher bar than the majority of the 57 _ much higher bar than the majority of the 57 scotches _ much higher bar than the majority of the 57 scotches seats _ much higher bar than the majority of the 57 scotches seats that _ much higher bar than the majority of the 57 scotches seats that are - much higher bar than the majority of the 57 scotches seats that are beingi the 57 scotches seats that are being contested _ the 57 scotches seats that are being contested this — the 57 scotches seats that are being contested this time _ the 57 scotches seats that are being contested this time around, - the 57 scotches seats that are being contested this time around, so i the 57 scotches seats that are being contested this time around, so in. contested this time around, so in that sense. — contested this time around, so in that sense. yes. _ contested this time around, so in that sense, yes, we _ contested this time around, so in that sense, yes, we have - contested this time around, so in that sense, yes, we have pretty. contested this time around, so in- that sense, yes, we have pretty much heard _ that sense, yes, we have pretty much heard this _ that sense, yes, we have pretty much heard this before. _ that sense, yes, we have pretty much heard this before. what _ that sense, yes, we have pretty much heard this before. what i _ that sense, yes, we have pretty much heard this before. what i wanted i that sense, yes, we have pretty much heard this before. what i wanted to i heard this before. what i wanted to know _ heard this before. what i wanted to know from — heard this before. what i wanted to know from a — heard this before. what i wanted to know from a john _ heard this before. what i wanted to know from a john swinney, - heard this before. what i wanted to| know from a john swinney, because heard this before. what i wanted to i know from a john swinney, because it was not _ know from a john swinney, because it was not totally— know from a john swinney, because it was not totally clear— know from a john swinney, because it was not totally clear in _ know from a john swinney, because it was not totally clear in the _ know from a john swinney, because it was not totally clear in the text, i was not totally clear in the text, when _ was not totally clear in the text, when you — was not totally clear in the text, when you look— was not totally clear in the text, when you look at _ was not totally clear in the text, when you look at the _ was not totally clear in the text, when you look at the text - was not totally clear in the text, when you look at the text it i was not totally clear in the text, | when you look at the text it says was not totally clear in the text, i when you look at the text it says if the snp _ when you look at the text it says if the snp wins — when you look at the text it says if the snp wins a _ when you look at the text it says if the snp wins a majority _

when you look at the text it says if the snp wins a majority of - when you look at the text it says if| the snp wins a majority of scottish seats. _ the snp wins a majority of scottish seats. the — the snp wins a majority of scottish seats, the scottish _ the snp wins a majority of scottish seats, the scottish government. the snp wins a majority of scottish i seats, the scottish government would be empowered — seats, the scottish government would be empowered to _ seats, the scottish government would be empowered to begin— seats, the scottish government would be empowered to begin immediate i be empowered to begin immediate negotiates— be empowered to begin immediate negotiates of— be empowered to begin immediate negotiates of the _ be empowered to begin immediate negotiates of the uk _ be empowered to begin immediate negotiates of the uk government i be empowered to begin immediatel negotiates of the uk government to -ive negotiates of the uk government to give democratic— negotiates of the uk government to give democratic effective _ negotiates of the uk government to give democratic effective to - give democratic effective to scotland _ give democratic effective to scotland becoming - give democratic effective to scotland becoming an - give democratic effective to - scotland becoming an independent country— scotland becoming an independent country stub — scotland becoming an independent country stub i_ scotland becoming an independent country stub i wanted _ scotland becoming an independent country stub i wanted to _ scotland becoming an independent country stub i wanted to know- scotland becoming an independent country stub i wanted to know if. country stub i wanted to know if that meant _ country stub i wanted to know if that meant that _ country stub i wanted to know if that meant that she _ country stub i wanted to know if that meant that she thought i country stub i wanted to know if| that meant that she thought you could _ that meant that she thought you could skip — that meant that she thought you could skip the _ that meant that she thought you could skip the referendum, i that meant that she thought you could skip the referendum, andl could skip the referendum, and answer— could skip the referendum, and answer was _ could skip the referendum, and answer was no _ could skip the referendum, and answer was no. he _ could skip the referendum, and answer was no. he said - could skip the referendum, and answer was no. he said there l could skip the referendum, and i answer was no. he said there must could skip the referendum, and - answer was no. he said there must be answer was no. he said there must be a referendum. — answer was no. he said there must be a referendum. it— answer was no. he said there must be a referendum. it is— answer was no. he said there must be a referendum, it is the _ answer was no. he said there must be a referendum, it is the only— a referendum, it is the only democratic— a referendum, it is the only democratic route _ a referendum, it is the only democratic route to - a referendum, it is the only- democratic route to independence for scotland _ democratic route to independence for scotland much — democratic route to independence for scotland much so _ democratic route to independence for scotland much so that _ democratic route to independence for scotland much so that is _ democratic route to independence for scotland much so that is clear. - democratic route to independence for scotland much so that is clear. it i scotland much so that is clear. it would _ scotland much so that is clear. it would be — scotland much so that is clear. it would be a — scotland much so that is clear. it would be a 2—stage, _ scotland much so that is clear. it would be a 2—stage, at _ scotland much so that is clear. it would be a 2—stage, at least, i would be a 2—stage, at least, process. _ would be a 2—stage, at least, process. but— would be a 2—stage, at least, process, but let _ would be a 2—stage, at least, process, but let us _ would be a 2—stage, at least, process, but let us be - would be a 2—stage, at least, process, but let us be clear, i would be a 2—stage, at least, i process, but let us be clear, the labour— process, but let us be clear, the labour party— process, but let us be clear, the labour party and _ process, but let us be clear, the labour party and the _ labour party and the conservatives are adamant — labour party and the conservatives are adamant that _ labour party and the conservatives are adamant that no _ labour party and the conservatives are adamant that no matter- labour party and the conservatives are adamant that no matter what l are adamant that no matter what happens — are adamant that no matter what happens after _ are adamant that no matter what happens after this— are adamant that no matter what happens after this election, i are adamant that no matter what| happens after this election, there are no— happens after this election, there are no circumstances _ happens after this election, there are no circumstances whatsoever| happens after this election, there l are no circumstances whatsoever in which _ are no circumstances whatsoever in which they— are no circumstances whatsoever in which they would _ are no circumstances whatsoever in which they would entertain - are no circumstances whatsoever inj which they would entertain allowing a second _ which they would entertain allowing a second referendum _ which they would entertain allowing a second referendum on _ which they would entertain allowing i a second referendum on independence a second referendum on independence a decade _ a second referendum on independence a decade after— a second referendum on independence a decade after the _ a second referendum on independence a decade after the first _ a second referendum on independence a decade after the first one, _ a second referendum on independence a decade after the first one, and - a second referendum on independence a decade after the first one, and it- a decade after the first one, and it is the _ a decade after the first one, and it is the supreme _ a decade after the first one, and it is the supreme court _ a decade after the first one, and it is the supreme court has- a decade after the first one, and it is the supreme court has ruled, i a decade after the first one, and it| is the supreme court has ruled, up to westminster— is the supreme court has ruled, up to westminster to— is the supreme court has ruled, up to westminster to decide - is the supreme court has ruled, up to westminster to decide whetherl is the supreme court has ruled, up i to westminster to decide whether or not scott _ to westminster to decide whether or not scott and — to westminster to decide whether or not scott and converts _ to westminster to decide whether or not scott and converts again. - to westminster to decide whether or not scott and converts again. so i to westminster to decide whether or not scott and converts again. so if. not scott and converts again. so if the snp do _ not scott and converts again. so if the snp do not _ not scott and converts again. so if the snp do not get _ not scott and converts again. so if the snp do not get it _ not scott and converts again. the snp do not get it majority, james, is that independence that for, what, a generation, five years? what do you think? that

for, what, a generation, five years? what do you think?— what do you think? that is the ruestion what do you think? that is the question i _ what do you think? that is the question i was _ what do you think? that is the question i was into _ what do you think? that is the question i was into john i what do you think? that is the i question i was into john swinney, question i was intojohn swinney, look, _ question i was intojohn swinney, look, conversely, _ question i was intojohn swinney, look, conversely, if— question i was intojohn swinney, look, conversely, if you _ question i was intojohn swinney, look, conversely, if you say, i question i was intojohn swinney, look, conversely, if you say, if. question i was intojohn swinney,�* look, conversely, if you say, if you do not _ look, conversely, if you say, if you do not get — look, conversely, if you say, if you do not get the _ look, conversely, if you say, if you do not get the majority, _ look, conversely, if you say, if you do not get the majority, do you i look, conversely, if you say, if you. do not get the majority, do you that that is— do not get the majority, do you that that is scotland's, _ do not get the majority, do you that that is scotland's, in— do not get the majority, do you that that is scotland's, in essence, - do not get the majority, do you that that is scotland's, in essence, both| that is scotland's, in essence, both seem _ that is scotland's, in essence, both seem to _ that is scotland's, in essence, both seem to remain— that is scotland's, in essence, both seem to remain for— that is scotland's, in essence, both seem to remain for now— that is scotland's, in essence, both seem to remain for now in - that is scotland's, in essence, both l seem to remain for now in the union, and he_ seem to remain for now in the union, and he said— seem to remain for now in the union, and he said not— seem to remain for now in the union, and he said not to— seem to remain for now in the union, and he said not to prejudge _ seem to remain for now in the union, and he said not to prejudge what- and he said not to prejudge what destructive people _ and he said not to prejudge what destructive people say, - and he said not to prejudge what destructive people say, but i and he said not to prejudge what destructive people say, but the i destructive people say, but the questions — destructive people say, but the questions are _ destructive people say, but the questions are really— destructive people say, but the questions are really fair- destructive people say, but the questions are really fair one. ii questions are really fair one. i think— questions are really fair one. i think either— questions are really fair one. i think either way, _ questions are really fair one. i think either way, it _ questions are really fair one. i think either way, it is - questions are really fair one. i think either way, it is very- think either way, it is very difficult _ think either way, it is very difficult to _ think either way, it is very difficult to see _ think either way, it is very difficult to see if - think either way, it is very difficult to see if the - think either way, it is very difficult to see if the snpi difficult to see if the snp continues, _ difficult to see if the snp continues, and _ difficult to see if the snp continues, and it - difficult to see if the snp l continues, and it continues difficult to see if the snp i continues, and it continues it difficult to see if the snp - continues, and it continues it is continuing _ continues, and it continues it is continuing to _ continues, and it continues it is continuing to insist _ continues, and it continues it is continuing to insist that - continues, and it continues it is continuing to insist that only i continues, and it continues it is i continuing to insist that only ruth is a referendum, _ continuing to insist that only ruth is a referendum, if— continuing to insist that only ruth is a referendum, if both - continuing to insist that only ruth is a referendum, if both of- continuing to insist that only ruth is a referendum, if both of the i continuing to insist that only ruthj is a referendum, if both of the uk parties _ is a referendum, if both of the uk parties say. — is a referendum, if both of the uk parties say, what _ is a referendum, if both of the uk parties say, what made _ is a referendum, if both of the uk parties say, what made there i is a referendum, if both of the uk| parties say, what made there may is a referendum, if both of the uk i parties say, what made there may not be a referendum. _ parties say, what made there may not be a referendum, that _ parties say, what made there may not be a referendum, that it's almost- parties say, what made there may not be a referendum, that it's almost as l be a referendum, that it's almost as not matter~ — be a referendum, that it's almost as not matter~ in— be a referendum, that it's almost as not matter. in practical— be a referendum, that it's almost as not matter. in practical terms, - not matter. in practical terms, obviously— not matter. in practical terms, obviously the _ not matter. in practical terms, obviously the snp _ not matter. in practical terms, obviously the snp would - not matter. in practical terms, j obviously the snp would argue not matter. in practical terms, i obviously the snp would argue it matters — obviously the snp would argue it matters a — obviously the snp would argue it matters a lot. _ obviously the snp would argue it matters a lot, they _ obviously the snp would argue it matters a lot, they say _ obviously the snp would argue it matters a lot, they say in - obviously the snp would argue it matters a lot, they say in morall matters a lot, they say in moral terms _ matters a lot, they say in moral terms what _ matters a lot, they say in moral terms what scotland _ matters a lot, they say in moral terms what scotland bullets i matters a lot, they say in moral. terms what scotland bullets were here, _ terms what scotland bullets were here. but — terms what scotland bullets were here. but in — terms what scotland bullets were here, but in practical— terms what scotland bullets were here, but in practical terms, i terms what scotland bullets were here, but in practical terms, it i terms what scotland bullets were here, but in practical terms, it is| here, but in practical terms, it is difficult — here, but in practical terms, it is difficult to — here, but in practical terms, it is difficult to see _ here, but in practical terms, it is difficult to see out _ here, but in practical terms, it is difficult to see out there - here, but in practical terms, it is difficult to see out there would l here, but in practical terms, it isl difficult to see out there would be any progress _ difficult to see out there would be any progress towards _ difficult to see out there would be any progress towards a _ difficult to see out there would be i any progress towards a referendum, and in _ any progress towards a referendum, and in that— any progress towards a referendum, and in that sense. _ any progress towards a referendum, and in that sense, yes, _ any progress towards a referendum, and in that sense, yes, but- and in that sense, yes, but obviously— and in that sense, yes, but obviously if _ and in that sense, yes, but obviously if scotland - and in that sense, yes, but obviously if scotland doesl and in that sense, yes, but. obviously if scotland does not and in that sense, yes, but- obviously if scotland does not vote by a majority— obviously if scotland does not vote by a majority of— obviously if scotland does not vote by a majority of seats _ obviously if scotland does not vote by a majority of seats for- obviously if scotland does not vote by a majority of seats for the - obviously if scotland does not vote by a majority of seats for the snp,j by a majority of seats for the snp, then clearly— by a majority of seats for the snp, then clearly their— by a majority of seats for the snp, then clearly their cause _ by a majority of seats for the snp, then clearly their cause is - by a majority of seats for the snp, then clearly their cause is dented. |

then clearly their cause is dented. we've _ then clearly their cause is dented. we've talked _ then clearly their cause is dented. we've talked a _ then clearly their cause is dented. we've talked a lot _ then clearly their cause is dented. we've talked a lot about - then clearly their cause is dented. we've talked a lot about john i we've talked a lot aboutjohn swinney, that is here him in his own words, here is talking about the broad principle of independence as he sees it in this manifesto. in he sees it in this manifesto. in 2021, he sees it in this manifesto. in 2021, they voted for a scottish parliament with a clear majority for independence and for a referendum on the questions of independence. that democratic choice must be respected. , at this election, we have the opportunity to reinforce the case for scotland becoming an independent country, it is the substance of the case that would take us there. and that starts with the economy. the da he is that starts with the economy. the day he is talking about obviously being the people of scotland, nick what did you want to say? i being the people of scotland, nick what did you want to say? i wanted to ask james _ what did you want to say? i wanted to ask james about _ what did you want to say? i wanted to ask james about the _ what did you want to say? i wanted to ask james about the idea - what did you want to say? i wanted to ask james about the idea of i what did you want to say? i wanted to ask james about the idea of a i to askjames about the idea of a referendum because it seems that the wording _ referendum because it seems that the wording for— referendum because it seems that the wording for that opening negotiations with the uk government is the _ negotiations with the uk government is the gold _ negotiations with the uk government is the gold standard referendum, the 2014 one. _ is the gold standard referendum, the 2014 one, which was essentially gifted _

2014 one, which was essentially gifted by— 2014 one, which was essentially gifted by westminster done under westminster parliamentary powers for stub they _ westminster parliamentary powers for stub they gifted that power to the parliamentary scotland for two years. — parliamentary scotland for two years. is — parliamentary scotland for two years, is that rather than unilateral referendum is cited by holly— unilateral referendum is cited by holly ruta? | unilateral referendum is cited by holly rota?— unilateral referendum is cited by holl ruta? ~ ., , , holly ruta? i think that stems back to the sopreme _ holly ruta? i think that stems back to the supreme court _ holly ruta? i think that stems back to the supreme court decision i holly ruta? i think that stems back to the supreme court decision that| to the supreme court decision that said an _ to the supreme court decision that said an official, _ to the supreme court decision that said an official, as _ to the supreme court decision that said an official, as you _ to the supreme court decision that said an official, as you say, - to the supreme court decision that said an official, as you say, gold i said an official, as you say, gold standard — said an official, as you say, gold standard referendum _ said an official, as you say, gold standard referendum can - said an official, as you say, gold standard referendum can only. said an official, as you say, goldl standard referendum can only be said an official, as you say, gold - standard referendum can only be held with westminster's _ standard referendum can only be held with westminster's sent _ standard referendum can only be held with westminster's sent consent, i standard referendum can only be held with westminster's sent consent, but| with westminster's sent consent, but let's be _ with westminster's sent consent, but let's be honest. — with westminster's sent consent, but let's be honest, it— with westminster's sent consent, but let's be honest, it does— with westminster's sent consent, but let's be honest, it does not— with westminster's sent consent, but let's be honest, it does not seem i let's be honest, it does not seem iikeiy— let's be honest, it does not seem likely that — let's be honest, it does not seem likely that there _ let's be honest, it does not seem likely that there is _ let's be honest, it does not seem likely that there is going - let's be honest, it does not seem likely that there is going to - let's be honest, it does not seem likely that there is going to be i let's be honest, it does not seem likely that there is going to be a i likely that there is going to be a referendum _ likely that there is going to be a referendum anytime _ likely that there is going to be a referendum anytime soon. if. likely that there is going to be al referendum anytime soon. if you likely that there is going to be a i referendum anytime soon. if you are the snp. _ referendum anytime soon. if you are the snp. you — referendum anytime soon. if you are the snp, you would _ referendum anytime soon. if you are the snp, you would say, _ referendum anytime soon. if you are the snp, you would say, look, - referendum anytime soon. if you are the snp, you would say, look, we i referendum anytime soon. if you are. the snp, you would say, look, we had a mandate _ the snp, you would say, look, we had a mandate from — the snp, you would say, look, we had a mandate from the last _ the snp, you would say, look, we had a mandate from the last holly - the snp, you would say, look, we had a mandate from the last holly rood i a mandate from the last holly rood election _ a mandate from the last holly rood election in— a mandate from the last holly rood election in 2021, _ a mandate from the last holly rood election in 2021, and _ a mandate from the last holly rood election in 2021, and that— a mandate from the last holly rood election in 2021, and that betweenl election in 2021, and that between the snp _ election in 2021, and that between the snp and — election in 2021, and that between the w and the — election in 2021, and that between the snp and the greens, _ election in 2021, and that between the snp and the greens, they- election in 2021, and that between the snp and the greens, they hadl election in 2021, and that betweenl the snp and the greens, they had a majority— the snp and the greens, they had a majority of— the snp and the greens, they had a majority of seats _ the snp and the greens, they had a majority of seats in _ the snp and the greens, they had a majority of seats in the _ the snp and the greens, they had a majority of seats in the scottish i majority of seats in the scottish parliament. _ majority of seats in the scottish parliament, still— majority of seats in the scottish parliament, still do, _ majority of seats in the scottish parliament, still do, and- majority of seats in the scottish parliament, still do, and that. parliament, still do, and that amounts _ parliament, still do, and that amounts to— parliament, still do, and that amounts to a _ parliament, still do, and that amounts to a mandate - parliament, still do, and that amounts to a mandate for. parliament, still do, and that amounts to a mandate for a i amounts to a mandate for a referendum _ amounts to a mandate for a referendum but _ amounts to a mandate for a referendum but i— amounts to a mandate for a referendum but i think- amounts to a mandate for a . referendum but i think moving amounts to a mandate for a - referendum but i think moving on from _ referendum but i think moving on from it. _ referendum but i think moving on from it. given— referendum but i think moving on from it, given we _ referendum but i think moving on from it, given we know, - referendum but i think moving on from it, given we know, whetheri from it, given we know, whether right— from it, given we know, whether right or— from it, given we know, whether right or wrong, _ from it, given we know, whether right or wrong, it— from it, given we know, whether right or wrong, it wouldn't - from it, given we know, whether. right or wrong, it wouldn't happen, the question— right or wrong, it wouldn't happen, the question is— right or wrong, it wouldn't happen, the question is what _ right or wrong, it wouldn't happen, the question is what happens- right or wrong, it wouldn't happen,

the question is what happens nextl the question is what happens next was to— the question is what happens next was to mark— the question is what happens next was to mark the _ the question is what happens next was to mark the debates - the question is what happens next was to mark the debates about. was to mark the debates about independence _ was to mark the debates about independence now— was to mark the debates about independence now goes - was to mark the debates about independence now goes to - was to mark the debates about independence now goes to the| was to mark the debates about - independence now goes to the next scottish— independence now goes to the next scottish national— independence now goes to the next scottish national scottish _ scottish national scottish parliamentary _ scottish national scottish parliamentary election i scottish national scottish parliamentary election in| scottish national scottish - parliamentary election in 2026, scottish national scottish _ parliamentary election in 2026, just a few— parliamentary election in 2026, just a few years' — parliamentary election in 2026, just a few years' time, _ parliamentary election in 2026, just a few years' time, because - parliamentary election in 2026, just a few years' time, because what - parliamentary election in 2026, just| a few years' time, because what the snp is _ a few years' time, because what the snp is trying — a few years' time, because what the snp is trying to— a few years' time, because what the snp is trying to do— a few years' time, because what the snp is trying to do here _ a few years' time, because what the snp is trying to do here is to- a few years' time, because what the snp is trying to do here is to see . snp is trying to do here is to see the uk _ snp is trying to do here is to see the uk is — snp is trying to do here is to see the uk is broken, _ snp is trying to do here is to see the uk is broken, it— snp is trying to do here is to see the uk is broken, it is— snp is trying to do here is to see the uk is broken, it is no- snp is trying to do here is to see the uk is broken, it is no low- the uk is broken, it is no low growth, _ the uk is broken, it is no low growth, tow— the uk is broken, it is no low growth, low productivity, - the uk is broken, it is no lowi growth, low productivity, high inequality. _ growth, low productivity, high inequality, these _ growth, low productivity, high inequality, these problems i growth, low productivity, high| inequality, these problems are entrenched, _ inequality, these problems are entrenched, the _ inequality, these problems are| entrenched, the conservatives, inequality, these problems are - entrenched, the conservatives, they argue, _ entrenched, the conservatives, they argue, have — entrenched, the conservatives, they argue, have made _ entrenched, the conservatives, they argue, have made them _ entrenched, the conservatives, they argue, have made them worse, - entrenched, the conservatives, they argue, have made them worse, and| argue, have made them worse, and they contend — argue, have made them worse, and they contend that _ argue, have made them worse, and they contend that the _ argue, have made them worse, and they contend that the labour- argue, have made them worse, and they contend that the labour partyi they contend that the labour party will be _ they contend that the labour party will be unable _ they contend that the labour party will be unable to _ they contend that the labour party will be unable to fix _ they contend that the labour party will be unable to fix them so - they contend that the labour party will be unable to fix them so theyi will be unable to fix them so they are thinking — will be unable to fix them so they are thinking into _ will be unable to fix them so they are thinking into a _ will be unable to fix them so they are thinking into a year's - will be unable to fix them so they are thinking into a year's time, i are thinking into a year's time, they— are thinking into a year's time, they witt— are thinking into a year's time, they will be _ are thinking into a year's time, they will be going _ are thinking into a year's time, they will be going to _ are thinking into a year's time, they will be going to the - are thinking into a year's time, l they will be going to the scottish population— they will be going to the scottish population in— they will be going to the scottish population in the _ they will be going to the scottish population in the 2026 _ they will be going to the scottish population in the 2026 holly- they will be going to the scottishi population in the 2026 holly rood election— population in the 2026 holly rood election and — population in the 2026 holly rood election and saying, _ population in the 2026 holly rood election and saying, the _ population in the 2026 holly rood election and saying, the problemi population in the 2026 holly rood. election and saying, the problem is notiust_ election and saying, the problem is notiust the — election and saying, the problem is not just the tories, _ election and saying, the problem is not just the tories, it's _ election and saying, the problem is not just the tories, it's a _ not just the tories, it's a whole westminster— not just the tories, it's a whole westminster system _ not just the tories, it's a whole westminster system now- not just the tories, it's a whole westminster system now we i not just the tories, it's a whole i westminster system now we need not just the tories, it's a whole - westminster system now we need to revisit _ westminster system now we need to revisit this _ westminster system now we need to revisit this and — westminster system now we need to revisit this and is _ westminster system now we need to revisit this and is not _ westminster system now we need to revisit this and is not just _ westminster system now we need to revisit this and is notjust by- westminster system now we need to revisit this and is not just by any- revisit this and is not just by any means— revisit this and is not just by any means this _ revisit this and is not just by any means this general— revisit this and is not just by any means this general election, - revisit this and is not just by any| means this general election, the referendum _ means this general election, the referendum strategy— means this general election, the referendum strategy or- means this general election, the - referendum strategy or independent strategy. _ referendum strategy or independent strategy. i_ referendum strategy or independent strategy. ithink— referendum strategy or independent strategy, i think they _ referendum strategy or independent strategy, i think they are _ referendum strategy or independent strategy, i think they are looking - strategy, i think they are looking forward — strategy, i think they are looking forward to— strategy, i think they are looking forward to it _ strategy, i think they are looking forward to it because _ strategy, i think they are looking forward to it because they - strategy, i think they are looking forward to it because they knowi strategy, i think they are looking - forward to it because they know they are not— forward to it because they know they are not in— forward to it because they know they are not in a _ forward to it because they know they are not in a great— forward to it because they know they are not in a great place _ forward to it because they know they are not in a great place in— are not in a great place in the polls — are not in a great place in the polls. they— are not in a great place in the polls. they are _ are not in a great place in the polls. they are bracing - are not in a great place in the - polls. they are bracing themselves for losses — polls. they are bracing themselves for losses here, _ polls. they are bracing themselves for losses here, but _ polls. they are bracing themselves for losses here, but they— polls. they are bracing themselves for losses here, but they are - for losses here, but they are looking — for losses here, but they are looking to _ for losses here, but they are looking to see _ for losses here, but they are looking to see how - for losses here, but they are looking to see how they- for losses here, but they are looking to see how they can| for losses here, but they are - looking to see how they can perhaps spring _ looking to see how they can perhaps spring track— looking to see how they can perhaps spring back in — looking to see how they can perhaps spring back in what _ looking to see how they can perhaps spring back in what they— looking to see how they can perhaps spring back in what they hope - looking to see how they can perhaps spring back in what they hope for. spring back in what they hope for 2026 _ spring back in what they hope for

2026 the — spring back in what they hope for 2026. the labour— spring back in what they hope for 2026. the labour party - spring back in what they hope for 2026. the labour party hope - spring back in what they hope for 2026. the labour party hope to i spring back in what they hope for. 2026. the labour party hope to use this election — 2026. the labour party hope to use this election as _ 2026. the labour party hope to use this election as a _ 2026. the labour party hope to use this election as a springboard - 2026. the labour party hope to use this election as a springboard in - this election as a springboard in scotland — this election as a springboard in scotland to— this election as a springboard in scotland to gain _ this election as a springboard in scotland to gain seats - this election as a springboard in scotland to gain seats and - this election as a springboard in. scotland to gain seats and spring onto the — scotland to gain seats and spring onto the same _ scotland to gain seats and spring onto the same at _ scotland to gain seats and spring onto the same at holyrood - scotland to gain seats and spring onto the same at holyrood and l scotland to gain seats and spring i onto the same at holyrood and take control— onto the same at holyrood and take control of— onto the same at holyrood and take control of the — onto the same at holyrood and take control of the scottish _ onto the same at holyrood and take control of the scottish government. the thing _ control of the scottish government. the thing that — control of the scottish government. the thing that surprised _ control of the scottish government. the thing that surprised me - control of the scottish government. the thing that surprised me weed . control of the scottish government. i the thing that surprised me weed the manifesto on my laptop on the train up manifesto on my laptop on the train up to birmingham, was how much the snp are talking about things that should happen in england and the uk, generally, for example, the rates of income tax and the rest of the uk being increased the same as the rates and scotland because the scottish government has control of that the income tax rates and thresholds, and also talking about the budget for the smb —— in england should be. this extend why they think they should talk about all that stuff? it think they should talk about all that stuff? . think they should talk about all that stuff? , , ., think they should talk about all that stuff? , ,., , . ,, that stuff? it requires some picking a art for that stuff? it requires some picking apart for newscasters _ that stuff? it requires some picking apart for newscasters and - that stuff? it requires some picking apart for newscasters and we - that stuff? it requires some picking| apart for newscasters and we talked about _ apart for newscasters and we talked about this _ apart for newscasters and we talked about this before, _ apart for newscasters and we talked about this before, newscasters - apart for newscasters and we talked about this before, newscasters willi about this before, newscasters will know _ about this before, newscasters will know how — about this before, newscasters will know how it — about this before, newscasters will know how it works, _ about this before, newscasters will know how it works, but _ about this before, newscasters will know how it works, but the - about this before, newscasters will| know how it works, but the scottish government — know how it works, but the scottish government overall _ know how it works, but the scottish government overall budget - know how it works, but the scottish government overall budget is - know how it works, but the scottish government overall budget is in- know how it works, but the scottishl government overall budget is in part determined. — government overall budget is in part determined. in— government overall budget is in part determined, in large _ government overall budget is in part determined, in large part, _ determined, in large part, determined _ determined, in large part, determined by— determined, in large part, determined by what - determined, in large part, . determined by what happens determined, in large part, - determined by what happens at westminster— determined by what happens at westminster because _ determined by what happens at westminster because if - determined by what happens at westminster because if the - determined by what happens at westminster because if the uk| westminster because if the uk government— westminster because if the uk government decides— westminster because if the uk government decides to - westminster because if the uk| government decides to increase spending — government decides to increase spending on _

government decides to increase spending on anything, - government decides to increase spending on anything, anything| government decides to increase - spending on anything, anything that is reserved — spending on anything, anything that is reserved to — spending on anything, anything that is reserved to westminster - spending on anything, anything that is reserved to westminster and - is reserved to westminster and devolved — is reserved to westminster and devolved to _ is reserved to westminster and devolved to holly _ is reserved to westminster and devolved to holly rood, - is reserved to westminster and i devolved to holly rood, increased spending — devolved to holly rood, increased spending on — devolved to holly rood, increased spending on the _ devolved to holly rood, increased spending on the nhs _ devolved to holly rood, increased spending on the nhs in _ devolved to holly rood, increased spending on the nhs in england, i spending on the nhs in england, there— spending on the nhs in england, there will— spending on the nhs in england, there will be _ spending on the nhs in england, there will be a _ spending on the nhs in england, there will be a consequential - there will be a consequential increase _ there will be a consequential increase in— there will be a consequential increase in the _ there will be a consequential increase in the scottish - increase in the scottish government's- increase in the scottish government's overall. increase in the scottish - government's overall budget. increase in the scottish _ government's overall budget. they do not need _ government's overall budget. they do not need to— government's overall budget. they do not need to spend _ government's overall budget. they do not need to spend it— government's overall budget. they do not need to spend it on— government's overall budget. they do not need to spend it on health, but i not need to spend it on health, but john swinney — not need to spend it on health, but john swinney is _ not need to spend it on health, but john swinney is suggesting - not need to spend it on health, but john swinney is suggesting what i not need to spend it on health, butj john swinney is suggesting what he want to— john swinney is suggesting what he want to see — john swinney is suggesting what he want to see is — john swinney is suggesting what he want to see is a _ john swinney is suggesting what he want to see is a uk _ john swinney is suggesting what he want to see is a uk government, . want to see is a uk government, whoever— want to see is a uk government, whoever it— want to see is a uk government, whoever it is — want to see is a uk government, whoever it is after— want to see is a uk government, whoever it is after this _ want to see is a uk government, whoever it is after this election, i whoever it is after this election, to increase _ whoever it is after this election, to increase spending _ whoever it is after this election, to increase spending on - whoever it is after this election, to increase spending on the - to increase spending on the english health— to increase spending on the english health service _ to increase spending on the english health service so _ to increase spending on the english health service so that _ to increase spending on the english health service so that the _ to increase spending on the english health service so that the budget. to increase spending on the english| health service so that the budget he can spend. — health service so that the budget he can spend. and _ health service so that the budget he can spend, and he _ health service so that the budget he can spend, and he said _ health service so that the budget he can spend, and he said he— can spend, and he said he would spend _ can spend, and he said he would spend it — can spend, and he said he would spend it on — can spend, and he said he would spend it on the _ can spend, and he said he would spend it on the scottish - spend it on the scottish health service. — spend it on the scottish health service. goes— spend it on the scottish health service, goes up. _ spend it on the scottish health service, goes up. that- spend it on the scottish health service, goes up. that is- spend it on the scottish health service, goes up. that is part. spend it on the scottish health. service, goes up. that is part of this debate. _ service, goes up. that is part of this debate, but— service, goes up. that is part of this debate, but it's _ service, goes up. that is part of this debate, but it's also - service, goes up. that is part of this debate, but it's also abouti this debate, but it's also about political— this debate, but it's also about political dividing _ this debate, but it's also about political dividing lines. - this debate, but it's also about political dividing lines. he's . political dividing lines. he's trying — political dividing lines. he's trying to— political dividing lines. he's trying to say. _ political dividing lines. he's trying to say, we _ political dividing lines. he's trying to say, we are - political dividing lines. he's trying to say, we are a - political dividing lines. he's i trying to say, we are a socially progressive _ trying to say, we are a socially progressive party, _ trying to say, we are a socially progressive party, we - trying to say, we are a socially progressive party, we believei trying to say, we are a socially - progressive party, we believe that with a _ progressive party, we believe that with a bit— progressive party, we believe that with a bit higher— progressive party, we believe that with a bit higher taxation, - progressive party, we believe that with a bit higher taxation, are - progressive party, we believe that with a bit higher taxation, are you| with a bit higher taxation, are you debate _ with a bit higher taxation, are you debate whether— with a bit higher taxation, are you debate whether it _ with a bit higher taxation, are you debate whether it is _ with a bit higher taxation, are you debate whether it is a _ with a bit higher taxation, are you debate whether it is a bit - with a bit higher taxation, are you debate whether it is a bit or- with a bit higher taxation, are you debate whether it is a bit or a - with a bit higher taxation, are you debate whether it is a bit or a loti debate whether it is a bit or a lot higher. _ debate whether it is a bit or a lot higher. and — debate whether it is a bit or a lot higher, and worth _ debate whether it is a bit or a lot higher, and worth noting - debate whether it is a bit or a lot higher, and worth noting that - debate whether it is a bit or a lot| higher, and worth noting that the threshold — higher, and worth noting that the threshold i'd _ higher, and worth noting that the threshold i'd which _ higher, and worth noting that the threshold i'd which people - higher, and worth noting that the threshold i'd which people and i threshold i'd which people and scotland — threshold i'd which people and scotland pay— threshold i'd which people and scotland pay more _ threshold i'd which people and scotland pay more tax - threshold i'd which people and scotland pay more tax than i threshold i'd which people and - scotland pay more tax than england is around _ scotland pay more tax than england is around £29,000, _ scotland pay more tax than england is around £29,000, you _ scotland pay more tax than england is around £29,000, you are - scotland pay more tax than england is around £29,000, you are not - is around £29,000, you are not talking — is around £29,000, you are not talking millionaires _ is around £29,000, you are not talking millionaires here, - is around £29,000, you are not talking millionaires here, john i talking millionaires here, john swinney— talking millionaires here, john swinney says _ talking millionaires here, john swinney says it _ talking millionaires here, john swinney says it is _ talking millionaires here, john swinney says it is only - talking millionaires here, john swinney says it is only a - talking millionaires here, john swinney says it is only a little i swinney says it is only a little over— swinney says it is only a little over that _ swinney says it is only a little over that that _ swinney says it is only a little over that that they _ swinney says it is only a little over that that they are - over that that they are paying extra. — over that that they are paying extra. but _ over that that they are paying extra. but it _ over that that they are paying extra, but it goes _ over that that they are paying extra, but it goes up - over that that they are paying extra, but it goes up and - over that that they are paying extra, but it goes up and up, | over that that they are paying. extra, but it goes up and up, the point _ extra, but it goes up and up, the point is _ extra, but it goes up and up, the point is that _ extra, but it goes up and up, the

point is that he _ extra, but it goes up and up, the point is that he says _ extra, but it goes up and up, the point is that he says we - extra, but it goes up and up, the point is that he says we are - extra, but it goes up and up, the point is that he says we are justl point is that he says we are just having — point is that he says we are just having to — point is that he says we are just having to do _ point is that he says we are just having to do this _ point is that he says we are just having to do this because - point is that he says we are just having to do this because of - point is that he says we are justj having to do this because of the state of— having to do this because of the state of public _ having to do this because of the state of public services - having to do this because of the state of public services we - having to do this because of the state of public services we need having to do this because of the i state of public services we need to raise _ state of public services we need to raise the _ state of public services we need to raise the money— state of public services we need to raise the money somehow, - state of public services we need to raise the money somehow, and i raise the money somehow, and scotland's _ raise the money somehow, and scotland's aggressive _ raise the money somehow, and scotland's aggressive tacticiani scotland's aggressive tactician model. — scotland's aggressive tactician model. he _ scotland's aggressive tactician model, he says, _ scotland's aggressive tactician model, he says, is— scotland's aggressive tactician model, he says, is something| scotland's aggressive tactician - model, he says, is something english should _ model, he says, is something english should embrace. _ model, he says, is something english should embrace. find _ model, he says, is something english should embrace.— should embrace. and james, it's interesting _ should embrace. and james, it's interesting because _ should embrace. and james, it's interesting because the - should embrace. and james, it's. interesting because the manifesto says the _ interesting because the manifesto says the uk government should increase — says the uk government should increase and if you are spending in england _ increase and if you are spending in england by— increase and if you are spending in england by 60 billion, which through the consequences, as you say, would yield to _ the consequences, as you say, would yield 1.6 billion four holyrood, and what _ yield 1.6 billion four holyrood, and what is _ yield 1.6 billion four holyrood, and what is interesting about that it highlights the fundamental challenge for the _ highlights the fundamental challenge for the snp in this westminster election. — for the snp in this westminster election, which is that both they are a _ election, which is that both they are a government and opposition. they— are a government and opposition. they bug — are a government and opposition. they bug government because they been in _ they bug government because they been in power in holyrood for 17 years. _ been in power in holyrood for 17 years. but— been in power in holyrood for 17 years, but during opposition it because — years, but during opposition it because they are in opposition to the uk _ because they are in opposition to the uk government, and that sort of demand _ the uk government, and that sort of demand request for the uk government to spend _ demand request for the uk government to spend more monk —— money in england _ to spend more monk —— money in england so— to spend more monk —— money in england so it _ to spend more monk —— money in england so it bounces a scotland is that large — england so it bounces a scotland is that large of the opposition side rather— that large of the opposition side rather than we have been responsible for the _ rather than we have been responsible for the nhs is. find

rather than we have been responsible forthe nhs is— for the nhs is. and the idea about re'oinin: for the nhs is. and the idea about rejoining the _ for the nhs is. and the idea about rejoining the eu _ for the nhs is. and the idea about rejoining the eu without _ for the nhs is. and the idea about rejoining the eu without any - rejoining the eu without any details. shill rejoining the eu without any details. �* ., , rejoining the eu without any details. . ., , , ., details. all of these things are desi . ned details. all of these things are designed to — details. all of these things are designed to showcase - details. all of these things are designed to showcase the - details. all of these things are - designed to showcase the difference between _ designed to showcase the difference between the — designed to showcase the difference between the parties _ designed to showcase the difference between the parties and _ designed to showcase the difference between the parties and in - designed to showcase the difference between the parties and in john - between the parties and injohn swinney's— between the parties and injohn swinney's view, _ between the parties and injohn swinney's view, showcase - between the parties and injohn swinney's view, showcase what| between the parties and in john i swinney's view, showcase what he sees _ swinney's view, showcase what he sees as _ swinney's view, showcase what he sees as a — swinney's view, showcase what he sees as a fundamental— swinney's view, showcase what he sees as a fundamental difference i sees as a fundamental difference between — sees as a fundamental difference between an— sees as a fundamental difference between an english _ sees as a fundamental difference between an english electorate, l sees as a fundamental difference - between an english electorate, which she suggests — between an english electorate, which she suggests is — between an english electorate, which she suggests is moving _ between an english electorate, which she suggests is moving further- between an english electorate, which she suggests is moving further awayl she suggests is moving further away from is _ she suggests is moving further away from is scottish _ she suggests is moving further away from is scottish electorate, - she suggests is moving further away from is scottish electorate, which i from is scottish electorate, which she suggests _ from is scottish electorate, which she suggests is _ from is scottish electorate, which she suggests is further— from is scottish electorate, which she suggests is further to - from is scottish electorate, which she suggests is further to the - from is scottish electorate, whichl she suggests is further to the left, so it's— she suggests is further to the left, so it's definitely— she suggests is further to the left, so it's definitely a _ she suggests is further to the left, so it's definitely a case of- so it's definitely a case of sticking _ so it's definitely a case of sticking out— so it's definitely a case of sticking out the _ so it's definitely a case of sticking out the ground. i so it's definitely a case of sticking out the ground. james, thank ou sticking out the ground. james, thank you very _ sticking out the ground. james, thank you very much, _ sticking out the ground. james, thank you very much, and - sticking out the ground. james, thank you very much, and talk. sticking out the ground. james, - thank you very much, and talk about the nhs, victoria, that is a big theme of your sure in birmingham tonight. it theme of your sure in birmingham toniaht. . . theme of your sure in birmingham toniaht. , ., ., ., ~ tonight. it is, we are here to talk to our audience _ tonight. it is, we are here to talk to our audience of— tonight. it is, we are here to talk to our audience of 50-60 - tonight. it is, we are here to talk to our audience of 50-60 people i tonight. it is, we are here to talk- to our audience of 50-60 people and to our audience of 50—60 people and a group of politicians including the man who wants to be in two weeks' time, wes streeting, and marry a cornfield from the conservatives and the lib dems, but we are here to talk about their expenses with the nhs. every person has a story about the nhs wherever you are in the country, and a few examples. we will

hear from a university student called lily who has been with an over one year for a mental health treatment. the target is 18 weeks. 18 weeks. she has been waiting for 12 months. she has been diagnosed with anxiety and depression, she almost forgot which is within for, she's lost in the system. we will hear from amanda, who she's lost in the system. we will hearfrom amanda, who has she's lost in the system. we will hear from amanda, who has arthritis and has had for many years, she can barely walk, she uses walking sticks in a wheelchair. she's currently with them for an operation on her hand, she says, but they would not do that unto us if he lose weight but she can't do because she can't move around. she has been kind of trip. so who has solutions to those intractable problems? and trip. so who has solutions to those intractable problems?— trip. so who has solutions to those intractable problems? and listen to the on sunday _ intractable problems? and listen to the on sunday because _ intractable problems? and listen to the on sunday because wes - intractable problems? and listen to l the on sunday because wes streeting had been on lower short doing an interview, and build up the

discussion regarding what labour is talking about in their manifesto and the extra money to put into the nhs for actual appointments to do with the ways in this victoria was talking about is the tip of the iceberg. what the nhs budget is overall. that started a bigger composition, and applied to the lib dems and tories as well, which is that the manifesto promises are small beans compared to the nhs budget overall.— small beans compared to the nhs budget overall. that's right, if you think about _ budget overall. that's right, if you think about it, _ budget overall. that's right, if you think about it, the _ budget overall. that's right, if you think about it, the conservative i think about it, the conservative government of george gottman —— david — government of george gottman —— david cameron and george osborne, a sliver— david cameron and george osborne, a stiver of— david cameron and george osborne, a sliver of interest would increase about _ sliver of interest would increase about one — sliver of interest would increase about one point one over inflation, so that— about one point one over inflation, so that is— about one point one over inflation, so that is small beans in comparison. what wes streeting would be taken _ comparison. what wes streeting would be taken -- _ comparison. what wes streeting would be taken —— telling victoria tonight is that— be taken —— telling victoria tonight is that this — be taken —— telling victoria tonight is that this is a very difficult fiscat— is that this is a very difficult fiscal solution, made worse, i'm sure— fiscal solution, made worse, i'm sure he — fiscal solution, made worse, i'm sure he was— fiscal solution, made worse, i'm sure he was saved by the liz truss many _ sure he was saved by the liz truss many budget and labour is having to cut its— many budget and labour is having to cut its ctoth — many budget and labour is having to cut its cloth accordingly, but it was interested in what wes streeting said in— was interested in what wes streeting said in that _ was interested in what wes streeting said in that interview with laura,

he talks— said in that interview with laura, he talks about what they're putting in the _ he talks about what they're putting in the labour manifesto, the tubulin extra _ in the labour manifesto, the tubulin extra spending, and here is on that list, extra spending, and here is on that list. that's— extra spending, and here is on that list, that's an interest times with and doubled the aggressive cancer scanners, — and doubled the aggressive cancer scanners, he said that is the foundation, and then laura instantly active _ foundation, and then laura instantly active on— foundation, and then laura instantly active on that, and asked if it was active on that, and asked if it was a start, _ active on that, and asked if it was a start, and — active on that, and asked if it was a start, and it's interesting that the labour— a start, and it's interesting that the labour party trying to be incredibly cautious about what they are saving. — incredibly cautious about what they are saying, and wes streeting, who is one _ are saying, and wes streeting, who is one of— are saying, and wes streeting, who is one of if— are saying, and wes streeting, who is one of if not the best communicators in the labour party, may have _ communicators in the labour party, may have perhaps gone ever so slightly— may have perhaps gone ever so slightly off message. | may have perhaps gone ever so slightly off message.— may have perhaps gone ever so slightly off message. i suppose that is the beauty _ slightly off message. i suppose that is the beauty of _ slightly off message. i suppose that is the beauty of an _ slightly off message. i suppose that is the beauty of an election - is the beauty of an election campaign, these front ventures from much of a party at the turn of the things that is and you can basically take the plot line and quizzed him about things they'd said before and we know more as a result. hopefully, with our audience, _ we know more as a result. hopefully, with our audience, that _ we know more as a result. hopefully, with our audience, that is _ we know more as a result. hopefully, with our audience, that is what - with our audience, that is what they will do. we wanted competition between members of the audience and the politicians. it does not need to be adversarial or a question and

five orfour be adversarial or a question and five or four politicians answer and, that's heavy composition to see what potential solutions there are, and also, of course, we know about the pandemic, but there were issues in the nhs in england before then, so why are we where we are now? and are the sums, as nick said, been promised by labour under conservatives, are they really enough to affect any kind of mini transformation question mark in terms of hosting a show like this, this is quite weird for me, because i sit in a little newscast cupboard, designed to look like a living room, we are in a giant library, and i can see about five cameras and your 50 seats over there for the audience, what difference is it meek when you have actual voters in the studio with you? for me, you just got this incredible energy from people. it is late at night, it is after the watershed, people are kind of operate, bash up for its, and the

want to be here, they want to have this composition with people who can come up with policies that affect their daily lives. it is a real, for me, the most dynamic of shows. what me, the most dynamic of shows. what victoria say no. _ me, the most dynamic of shows. what victoria say no. it _ me, the most dynamic of shows. what victoria say no, it shows _ me, the most dynamic of shows. what victoria say no, it shows what she is amazing — victoria say no, it shows what she is amazing at, which is very good at interviewing — is amazing at, which is very good at interviewing politicians, and you like doing — interviewing politicians, and you like doing that, but she completely comes— like doing that, but she completely comes alive when you have people who are not— comes alive when you have people who are not politicians, people who have stories _ are not politicians, people who have stories to _ are not politicians, people who have stories to tell, and it is one of the great _ stories to tell, and it is one of the great privileges working with her. . . the great privileges working with her. , , ., , , , ., her. this is turn into, this is your life victoria _ her. this is turn into, this is your life victoria derbyshire. - her. this is turn into, this is your life victoria derbyshire. it's - life victoria derbyshire. it's interesting, _ life victoria derbyshire. it's interesting, showing your workings and behind the scene, but when we have people in newsnight who are not politicians— have people in newsnight who are not politicians i_ have people in newsnight who are not politicians i have stories to tell, they— politicians i have stories to tell, they gather in what we call the room she goes— they gather in what we call the room she goes in— they gather in what we call the room she goes in before and talks every single _ she goes in before and talks every single one — she goes in before and talks every single one of them, get their story,

it's what— single one of them, get their story, it's what really brings victoria ative. — it's what really brings victoria alive. and _ it's what really brings victoria alive, and it brings in newsnight a life, alive, and it brings in newsnight a life. and _ alive, and it brings in newsnight a life. and he — alive, and it brings in newsnight a life, and he would bringing to life the night — life, and he would bringing to life the night when you are hearing those stories— the night when you are hearing those stories from people who do not have a nrandate, — stories from people who do not have a mandate, hornet elected, they have their story— a mandate, hornet elected, they have their story to tell.— their story to tell. victoria, i think i should _ their story to tell. victoria, i think i should bring - their story to tell. victoria, i think i should bring a - their story to tell. victoria, i thinki should bring a big - their story to tell. victoria, i | thinki should bring a big red their story to tell. victoria, i - thinki should bring a big red book think i should bring a big red book for this is your life, within your early years. it was a good show stop was all right. that is television for you, other source of it, never a dull moment in this campaign, a few things to pick up on which an are eye—catching, inflation is it the 2% target. that was the objective and what the bank of england was meant to do to manage the economy. bond what the bank of england was meant to do to manage the economy. and the rishi sunak target _ to do to manage the economy. and the rishi sunak target was _ to do to manage the economy. and the rishi sunak target was the _ to do to manage the economy. and the rishi sunak target was the hargett - rishi sunak target was the hargett and he _ rishi sunak target was the hargett and he said 11%, he more than half of that, _ and he said 11%, he more than half of that, he — and he said 11%, he more than half of that, he hit the target rate when there _ of that, he hit the target rate when there were — of that, he hit the target rate when there were independent rates give to there were independent rates give to the bank— there were independent rates give to the bank of england, and it was meant — the bank of england, and it was meant to— the bank of england, and it was meant to be 2%. interestingly,

services — meant to be 2%. interestingly, services and other parts, when you break— services and other parts, when you break the _ services and other parts, when you break the inflation rate don't, service — break the inflation rate don't, service is— break the inflation rate don't, service is quite high, it looks sticky. — service is quite high, it looks sticky, and i think the markets, this afternoon, were suggesting that we may— this afternoon, were suggesting that we may not be heading in the direction _ we may not be heading in the direction of a particularly early cuts _ direction of a particularly early cuts in — direction of a particularly early cuts in interest rates. victoria, did ou cuts in interest rates. victoria, did you see — cuts in interest rates. victoria, did you see the _ cuts in interest rates. victoria, did you see the taylor- cuts in interest rates. victoria, did you see the taylor swift . cuts in interest rates. victoria, | did you see the taylor swift tour it might have an impact on the inflation rate because so many people are going to her concerts, the tickets are so expensive, and some try to jack up their prices. mr; some try to jack up their prices. iii 20—year—old some try to jack up their prices. m 20—year—old son some try to jack up their prices. m1: 20—year—old son will some try to jack up their prices. m1 20—year—old son will be responsible for inflation, he has a ticket for wembley. for inflation, he has a ticket for wembley— for inflation, he has a ticket for wemble . ., �* , ., ., ., wembley. she's doing it over two months, i went _ wembley. she's doing it over two months, i went this _ wembley. she's doing it over two months, i went this moment. - wembley. she's doing it over two | months, i went this moment. and nick, in terms of the inflation, it feeds into the bank of england having a meeting tomorrow and thursday to decide interest rates, but the rule is that the bank of england do not make a this is than about interest rates unless there is an election on, because it may help one side or the other. the committee in charre one side or the other. the committee in charge of— one side or the other. the committee in charge of it — one side or the other. the committee in charge of it would _ one side or the other. the committee in charge of it would be _ one side or the other. the committee in charge of it would be very - in charge of it would be very cautious— in charge of it would be very cautious about doing anything,

because — cautious about doing anything, because we're so close to the elections. _ because we're so close to the elections, two weeks tomorrow, but it is interesting that the markets where _ it is interesting that the markets where price and in that we would not be seen _ where price and in that we would not be seen and — where price and in that we would not be seen and immediate cuts in interest rates.— be seen and immediate cuts in interest rates. the other numbers --eole interest rates. the other numbers people are assessing _ interest rates. the other numbers people are assessing over, and i l interest rates. the other numbers. people are assessing over, and i do mean a certain bit of politics —— politicians obsessing over it, opinion polls. it’s politicians obsessing over it, opinion polls-— politicians obsessing over it, opinion polls. politicians obsessing over it, oinion olls. v , opinion polls. it's winding me up. i'm opinion polls. it's winding me up. l'm allowed _ opinion polls. it's winding me up. i'm allowed to _ opinion polls. it's winding me up. i'm allowed to say _ opinion polls. it's winding me up. i'm allowed to say that _ opinion polls. it's winding me up. i'm allowed to say that question i i'm allowed to say that question when is it question mark they are great tools, not the whole show. i agree, and how many times in recent memory have the polls been wrong. i am so wary of it. memory have the polls been wrong. i am so wary of it— am so wary of it. there is an election _ am so wary of it. there is an election burn _ am so wary of it. there is an election burn the _ am so wary of it. there is an election burn the polls - am so wary of it. there is an election burn the polls are i am so wary of it. there is an - election burn the polls are does the poorly— election burn the polls are does the poorly run _ election burn the polls are does the poorly run elections, and he seems the bolls— poorly run elections, and he seems the polls are running the general election. — the polls are running the general election, because of these massive polls where they're porting ten to 12.000 _ polls where they're porting ten to 12,000 people, your normal run—of—the—mill will is hundreds of people. _ run—of—the—mill will is hundreds of people. this — run—of—the—mill will is hundreds of people, this is thousands of people, and have _ people, this is thousands of people, and have so— people, this is thousands of people, and have so much data that they are then able _ and have so much data that they are then able to — and have so much data that they are then able to impose that data on the 650 constituencies and say that is

what _ 650 constituencies and say that is what will — 650 constituencies and say that is what will happen there and there, and it— what will happen there and there, and it is— what will happen there and there, and it isjust having an incredible impact, — and it isjust having an incredible impact, but you know, in the parties. _ impact, but you know, in the parties. in _ impact, but you know, in the parties, in the labour party, they are not— parties, in the labour party, they are not complacent, but, you know, they have _ are not complacent, but, you know, they have smiles on their faces, and in the _ they have smiles on their faces, and in the conservative party, the mood is really— in the conservative party, the mood is really bleak stop we should remember that the bbc has rules about— remember that the bbc has rules about how this journalist look at these _ about how this journalist look at these polls, we are never to start a story— these polls, we are never to start a story saying — these polls, we are never to start a story saying a process this. the other story saying a process this. tia: other eye—catching story saying a process this. t't;e: other eye—catching sorting, story saying a process this. tt9 other eye—catching sorting, nick, this is from chris mason, one of the prime ministers close protection squad being under investigation for placing a bet on the day of the election. :. . placing a bet on the day of the election. :, , ., election. that is right, and it dates back — election. that is right, and it dates back to _ election. that is right, and it dates back to craig - election. that is right, and it| dates back to craig williams, election. that is right, and it - dates back to craig williams, who was the _ dates back to craig williams, who was the prime minister's parliamentary secretary during the last parliament, facing an investigation, unofficial investigation, unofficial investigation, because he on the 19th of— investigation, because he on the 19th of may pleased a bet that there

would _ 19th of may pleased a bet that there would be _ 19th of may pleased a bet that there would be a july election, and then on the _ would be a july election, and then on the wednesday after that sunday, the prime minister made that announcement. craig williams issued announcement. craig williams issued a statement he will cooperate with any inquiry— a statement he will cooperate with any inquiry and admitted it not look particularly — any inquiry and admitted it not look particularly good, but what happened after. _ particularly good, but what happened after, there was that the announcement about craig williams, is that— announcement about craig williams, is that it's _ announcement about craig williams, is that it's clear the gambling commission said we want to look at every— commission said we want to look at every single bets placed in the month— every single bets placed in the month of— every single bets placed in the month of me related to july poll, and they're going through with a fine tooth— and they're going through with a fine tooth comb. and and they're going through with a fine tooth comb.— fine tooth comb. and a police officer has — fine tooth comb. and a police officer has been _ fine tooth comb. and a police officer has been arrested - fine tooth comb. and a police officer has been arrested and| officer has been arrested and suspended from duty.- officer has been arrested and suspended from duty. you're such a ro, suspended from duty. you're such a pro. victoria. _ suspended from duty. you're such a pro. victoria. l— suspended from duty. you're such a pro, victoria, i was _ suspended from duty. you're such a pro, victoria, i was in _ suspended from duty. you're such a pro, victoria, i was in to _ suspended from duty. you're such a pro, victoria, i was in to read - suspended from duty. you're such a pro, victoria, i was in to read it - pro, victoria, i was in to read it off my laptop and you knew it by heart, that his weight would be a great story tonight on newsnight. thank you for having us undiscussed stop thank you for stealing the show. . : :. . stop thank you for stealing the show. , : :, , :, stop thank you for stealing the show. :, “

hello. thanks forjoining me. it's been a fine day for most of us, feeling a little warmer, too. those temperatures have been rising in the last few days. the weather settling down, a clear evening on the way. skies a little hazy in places. in fact, if we look at the satellite picture from earlier on, you can see also a weather front very close to our neighbourhood here. and that may keep things cloudy and damp, at least for a time this evening and overnight in the northwest of the uk, but the evening, not particularly cold. eight o'clock, we will have had temperatures around 15 in the lowlands of scotland, 18 or 19 in the south. and also, what's particularly high are the pollen levels across england, wales, northern ireland, too — not quite so high further north in scotland. so, the forecast, then — for the nights, generally clear across most of england, wales, much of northern ireland, too, but then later on in the night, western and southwestern scotland and the north of northern ireland could be damp. not particularly cold, although outside of town centres temperatures could dip

to single figures. the forecast for tomorrow, then, lots of sunshine right from the word go, but then i think the clouds will bubble up, in places, the skies will also be hazy and maybe cloudy at times here in the northwest. again, a few spits and spots of rain possible with the weather fronts close by. but every bit as warm, temperatures in the low 20s in the south — pushing 20 degrees in the northeast of england as well. now, the forecast into friday, then. now, admittedly, a bit of a blip on the way. this weather front approaches from the atlantic, and that does spell thick cloud and the possibility of some rain across ireland, eventually around the irish sea into western and northern scotland. but the further east you are and the further south, the brighter, if not sunnier, the weather will be on friday. and these are southerly winds, so these temperatures could creep up a little further — 23 in london and into the low 20s expected across northern england. a little bit cooler out towards the west here, remember, where we have that weather front. the weather front will fall apart, and then, as we head

through the course of the weekend, high pressure will start building across the uk. light winds, generally bright if not sunny weather. so, here's the outlook for the weekend and into next week when that real warming trend will begin. we could even see temperatures approaching the high 20s. it's been on the cool side recently. now, it could turn a little too warm for some. bye— bye.

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