after this election, there are no circumstances whatsoever in which they would entertain allowing a second referendum on independence. it's because that plan has worked that we've been able _ to cut people's taxes, i and this election is about the future and we want to build on this economic foundation i that we now have. on our panel tonight... chris morris, the ceo of full fact. anna mikhailova, deputy political editor at the mail on sunday. brian taylor political commentator and columnist for the herald. looking forward to talking to all of them. but let's get a check on the latest bbc news. the bbc can reveal that a police officer working as part of the uk prime minister's close protection team has been arrested in connection with bets about the timing of the general election. police were contacted last friday by the gambling commission. vladimir putin and kimjong—un have signed what the russian president has described as a "breakthrough"

mutual security pact. the deal was made on a day of carefully stage—managed events during mr putin's first visit to north korea for over 20 years. prosecutors are to decide whether to seek a retrial for a uk couple accused of the manslaughter of their newborn baby by gross negligence, after a jury failed to agree on verdicts. constance marten and mark gordon denied a total of five charges. and english heritage says summer solstice celebrations at stonehenge won't be affected by a protest by climate activists. members ofjust stop oil sprayed orange paint on parts of the monument. two people were arrested. warm welcome if you are justjoining us. for 17 years, the snp has the set the agenda in scottish politics, racking up some landslide wins along the way. butjohn swinney, the new first minister is finding things a lot tougher.

in fact he battling for relevance, amid a labour surge north of the border, that is threatening to sweep them from the board. the manifesto the snp released today is, in the words of one of their candidate, the most left wing of one of their candidates, the most left wing manifesto in the election. specifically, they have called for westminster to reverse a £1.3 billion cut to scotland's capital budget. but is it enough to deflect attention from the snp own record on health and eduction, and the chaos that has surrounded the party in recent years? independence is there, page one, line one in the manifest — line one in the manifesto — this is the election he said to "reinforce the case for scotland becoming an independent country." if the snp wins a majority of seats in this election in scotland, the scottish government will embark on negotiations with the uk government to turn the democratic wishes of the people of scotland into a reality. the democratic wishes of the people of scotland were expressed at the 2021 scottish parliament election.

just a few miles where we are today, there is a parliamentary majority in favour of independence and in favour of a referendum on the question of independence. let's take a quick look at some of the main points in the manifesto, as we have done with all of them. so, an independent scotland, said the first minister, will rejoin the eu. they pledge to reverse cuts to scotland's capital budget. there is a demand for the full devolution of tax powers. they would abolish the house of lords. increase nhs spending by £0 billion. scrap the two child benefit cap, which is a thorny issue for the labour party. they too would end vat relief for private schools. grant asylum seekers the right to work. they have long been committed scrapping trident. and there is a plan to boost green spending but no further details in there on how new oil and gas

licenses should be assessed in line with climate goals. let's start with you, brian, if we may. let's talk about independence first. let's start with you, brian, if we may. let's talk about independence first. the let's start with you, brian, if we may. let's talk about independence first. the former let's start with you, brian, if we may. let's talk about independence first. the former first let's start with you, brian, if we may. let's talk about independence first. the former first minister let's start with you, brian, if we may. let's talk about independence first. the former first minister and party mediator alex hammond said the snp have hoisted the white flag on independence, how did john sweeney address that today, do you think? i think he would make that remark because — think he would make that remark because the _ think he would make that remark because the very _ think he would make that remark because the very purpose - think he would make that remark because the very purpose is - think he would make that remark because the very purpose is to i because the very purpose is to define — because the very purpose is to define themselves— because the very purpose is to define themselves in - he drew attention to page one line one of— he drew attention to page one line one of the — he drew attention to page one line one of the manifesto, _ he drew attention to page one line one of the manifesto, the - one of the manifesto, the opportunity— one of the manifesto, the opportunity for— one of the manifesto, the opportunity for scotland i one of the manifesto, thel opportunity for scotland to one of the manifesto, the - opportunity for scotland to become an independent— opportunity for scotland to become an independent country. _ opportunity for scotland to become an independent country. the - opportunity for scotland to become i an independent country. the context in which _ an independent country. the context in which he _ an independent country. the context in which he is — an independent country. the context in which he is placing _ an independent country. the context in which he is placing independencel in which he is placing independence is very— in which he is placing independence is very firmly — in which he is placing independence is very firmly in _ in which he is placing independence is very firmly in terms _ in which he is placing independence is very firmly in terms of _ in which he is placing independence is very firmly in terms of the - is very firmly in terms of the concerns— is very firmly in terms of the concerns and _ is very firmly in terms of the concerns and anxieties - is very firmly in terms of the concerns and anxieties of. is very firmly in terms of the | concerns and anxieties of the is very firmly in terms of the - concerns and anxieties of the people rather— concerns and anxieties of the people rather than _ concerns and anxieties of the people rather than the — concerns and anxieties of the people rather than the concerns _ concerns and anxieties of the people rather than the concerns and - rather than the concerns and anxieties _ rather than the concerns and anxieties of— rather than the concerns and anxieties of his _ rather than the concerns and anxieties of his own - rather than the concerns and . anxieties of his own supporters rather than the concerns and - anxieties of his own supporters and his own _ anxieties of his own supporters and his own party~ _ anxieties of his own supporters and his own party. he _ anxieties of his own supporters and his own party. he is _ anxieties of his own supporters and his own party. he is arguing - anxieties of his own supporters and his own party. he is arguing that i anxieties of his own supporters and his own party. he is arguing that it| his own party. he is arguing that it is through— his own party. he is arguing that it is through independence, - is through independence, independence _ is through independence, independence is- is through independence, independence is the - is through independence, . independence is the conduit is through independence, - independence is the conduit to, for example. _ independence is the conduit to, for example, improving _ independence is the conduit to, for example, improving the _ independence is the conduit to, for example, improving the economy, | independence is the conduit to, for. example, improving the economy, for example _ example, improving the economy, for example producing _ example, improving the economy, for example producing effective - example, improving the economy, for example producing effective spendingj example producing effective spending that would _ example producing effective spending that would tackle _ example producing effective spending that would tackle the _ example producing effective spending that would tackle the problems - example producing effective spending that would tackle the problems in - that would tackle the problems in the health— that would tackle the problems in

the health service, _ that would tackle the problems in the health service, etc, _ that would tackle the problems in the health service, etc, so- that would tackle the problems in the health service, etc, so he - that would tackle the problems in the health service, etc, so he is. the health service, etc, so he is linking — the health service, etc, so he is linking it — the health service, etc, so he is linking it to— the health service, etc, so he is linking it to popular— the health service, etc, so he is linking it to popular concerns. l the health service, etc, so he is- linking it to popular concerns. when he is _ linking it to popular concerns. when he is putting — linking it to popular concerns. when he is putting forward _ linking it to popular concerns. when he is putting forward those - linking it to popular concerns. when he is putting forward those policiesi he is putting forward those policies on for— he is putting forward those policies on for example _ he is putting forward those policies on for example higher— he is putting forward those policies on for example higher taxation - he is putting forward those policies on for example higher taxation fori on for example higher taxation for higher— on for example higher taxation for higher earners— on for example higher taxation for higher earners as _ on for example higher taxation for higher earners as happens - on for example higher taxation for higher earners as happens in - higher earners as happens in scotland. _ higher earners as happens in scotland, when _ higher earners as happens in scotland, when he _ higher earners as happens in scotland, when he talks - higher earners as happens in. scotland, when he talks about higher earners as happens in - scotland, when he talks about more money _ scotland, when he talks about more money on _ scotland, when he talks about more money on the — scotland, when he talks about more money on the nhs, _ scotland, when he talks about more money on the nhs, scrubbing - scotland, when he talks about more i money on the nhs, scrubbing triton, ending _ money on the nhs, scrubbing triton, ending the _ money on the nhs, scrubbing triton, ending the two — money on the nhs, scrubbing triton, ending the two child _ money on the nhs, scrubbing triton, ending the two child benefit, - money on the nhs, scrubbing triton, ending the two child benefit, we - money on the nhs, scrubbing triton, ending the two child benefit, we are i ending the two child benefit, we are causing _ ending the two child benefit, we are causing the — ending the two child benefit, we are causing the opportunity— ending the two child benefit, we are causing the opportunity of— causing the opportunity of independence. _ causing the opportunity of independence. in- causing the opportunity of independence. in this - causing the opportunity of- independence. in this electoral contest — independence. in this electoral contest we _ independence. in this electoral contest we are _ independence. in this electoral contest we are facing - independence. in this electoral contest we are facing the - independence. in this electoral. contest we are facing the labour party— contest we are facing the labour party and — contest we are facing the labour party and these _ contest we are facing the labour party and these are _ contest we are facing the labour party and these are all - contest we are facing the labour. party and these are all challenges directiv— party and these are all challenges directly aimed _ party and these are all challenges directly aimed not _ party and these are all challenges directly aimed not at _ party and these are all challenges directly aimed not at the - party and these are all challenges i directly aimed not at the incumbent conservative — directly aimed not at the incumbent conservative government _ directly aimed not at the incumbent conservative government in- conservative government in westminster. _ conservative government in westminster, but— conservative government in westminster, but at - conservative government in westminster, but at the - conservative government in- westminster, but at the potential labour— westminster, but at the potential labour government. _ westminster, but at the potential labour government.— labour government. that's really interesting _ labour government. that's really interesting i— labour government. that's really interesting. i said _ labour government. that's really interesting. i said they _ labour government. that's really interesting. i said they were - interesting. i said they were fighting for relevance and i said that they were in danger of being swept from the board, i don't mean entirely so. but i mean, they had 43 out of the 59 seats in the 2019 parliament, they if so so pull out last night, just one hole i want to point out, there would be left with around 15 mp5 after the next election. where would that leave the

fight for independence? it election. where would that leave the fight for independence?— fight for independence? it would seriously hinder _ fight for independence? it would seriously hinder it. _ fight for independence? it would seriously hinder it. what - fight for independence? it would seriously hinder it. what john i seriously hinder it. whatjohn sweeney— seriously hinder it. whatjohn sweeney is— seriously hinder it. whatjohn sweeney is saying _ seriously hinder it. whatjohn sweeney is saying is - seriously hinder it. whatjohn sweeney is saying is if - seriously hinder it. whatjohn sweeney is saying is if there. seriously hinder it. what johnl sweeney is saying is if there is seriously hinder it. what john i sweeney is saying is if there is a majority— sweeney is saying is if there is a majority of— sweeney is saying is if there is a majority of snp _ sweeney is saying is if there is a majority of snp mps _ sweeney is saying is if there is a majority of snp mps from - sweeney is saying is if there is a i majority of snp mps from scotland in the next _ majority of snp mps from scotland in the next parliament, _ majority of snp mps from scotland in the next parliament, then _ majority of snp mps from scotland in the next parliament, then he - majority of snp mps from scotland in the next parliament, then he regardsj the next parliament, then he regards that as _ the next parliament, then he regards that as a _ the next parliament, then he regards that as a mandate _ the next parliament, then he regards that as a mandate not _ the next parliament, then he regards that as a mandate not for— that as a mandate not for independence, _ that as a mandate not for independence, this - that as a mandate not for independence, this is - that as a mandate not for independence, this is not that as a mandate not for- independence, this is not the day factor— independence, this is not the day factor referendum _ independence, this is not the day factor referendum that _ independence, this is not the day factor referendum that we - independence, this is not the day factor referendum that we heardi factor referendum that we heard under— factor referendum that we heard under nicholas— factor referendum that we heard under nicholas sturgeon, - factor referendum that we heard under nicholas sturgeon, this i factor referendum that we heard under nicholas sturgeon, this is| factor referendum that we heard. under nicholas sturgeon, this is a different— under nicholas sturgeon, this is a different beast, _ under nicholas sturgeon, this is a different beast, he _ under nicholas sturgeon, this is a different beast, he would - under nicholas sturgeon, this is a different beast, he would regard i different beast, he would regard that as _ different beast, he would regard that as a — different beast, he would regard that as a mandate _ different beast, he would regard that as a mandate to _ different beast, he would regard that as a mandate to press - different beast, he would regard that as a mandate to press upon different beast, he would regard - that as a mandate to press upon the then uk_ that as a mandate to press upon the then uk government _ that as a mandate to press upon the then uk government which - that as a mandate to press upon the then uk government which he - that as a mandate to press upon the - then uk government which he presumes would be _ then uk government which he presumes would be labour, — then uk government which he presumes would be labour, the _ then uk government which he presumes would be labour, the demand _ then uk government which he presumes would be labour, the demand that- then uk government which he presumes would be labour, the demand that the l would be labour, the demand that the people _ would be labour, the demand that the peopte of— would be labour, the demand that the people of scotland _ would be labour, the demand that the people of scotland wish _ would be labour, the demand that the people of scotland wish a further- people of scotland wish a further referendum _ people of scotland wish a further referendum and _ people of scotland wish a further referendum and they _ people of scotland wish a further referendum and they expressedl people of scotland wish a further- referendum and they expressed that in 2021— referendum and they expressed that in 2021 in— referendum and they expressed that in 2021 in the— referendum and they expressed that in 2021 in the elections _ referendum and they expressed that in 2021 in the elections to _ referendum and they expressed that in 2021 in the elections to the - in 2021 in the elections to the hotyrood _ in 2021 in the elections to the holyrood parliament, - in 2021 in the elections to the holyrood parliament, where i in 2021 in the elections to the . holyrood parliament, where the majority— holyrood parliament, where the majority were _ holyrood parliament, where the majority were from _ holyrood parliament, where the majority were from snp - holyrood parliament, where the majority were from snp and - holyrood parliament, where the majority were from snp and thej majority were from snp and the greens, — majority were from snp and the greens, in— majority were from snp and the greens, in favour— majority were from snp and the greens, in favour of— majority were from snp and the i greens, in favour of independence. do i greens, in favour of independence. do i think— greens, in favour of independence. do i think that _ greens, in favour of independence. do i think that he _ greens, in favour of independence. do i think that he believes- greens, in favour of independence. do i think that he believes that - do i think that he believes that will he — do i think that he believes that will be considered, _ do i think that he believes that will be considered, no - do i think that he believes that will be considered, no i - do i think that he believes that will be considered, no i don't. i do i think that he believes that - will be considered, no i don't. and there _ will be considered, no i don't. and there is— will be considered, no i don't. and there is also— will be considered, no i don't. and there is also a _ will be considered, no i don't. and there is also a feeling _ will be considered, no i don't. and there is also a feeling on - will be considered, no i don't. and there is also a feeling on the - there is also a feeling on the ground — there is also a feeling on the ground in scotland _ there is also a feeling on the ground in scotland certainlyi there is also a feeling on the - ground in scotland certainly among labour _ ground in scotland certainly among labour canvassers, _ ground in scotland certainly among labour canvassers, even _ ground in scotland certainly among| labour canvassers, even supporters labour ca nvassers, even supporters of labour canvassers, even supporters of independence _ labour canvassers, even supporters of independence are _ labour canvassers, even supporters of independence are saying - labour canvassers, even supporters of independence are saying maybe i labour canvassers, even supporters i of independence are saying maybe not now. may _ of independence are saying maybe not now. may he _ of independence are saying maybe not now. may be right— of independence are saying maybe not now, may be right now— of independence are saying maybe not now, may be right now is _ of independence are saying maybe not now, may be right now is the - of independence are saying maybe not now, may be right now is the time - now, may be right now is the time for the _ now, may be right now is the time for the economic— now, may be right now is the time for the economic crisis _ now, may be right now is the time for the economic crisis and - now, may be right now is the time | for the economic crisis and the cost of living _ for the economic crisis and the cost of living persons _ for the economic crisis and the cost of living persons to _ for the economic crisis and the cost of living persons to be _ for the economic crisis and the cost of living persons to be addressed. i of living persons to be addressed. john sweeney _ of living persons to be addressed. john sweeney is _ of living persons to be addressed. john sweeney is aware _ of living persons to be addressed. john sweeney is aware of - of living persons to be addressed. john sweeney is aware of that. soj of living persons to be addressed. i john sweeney is aware of that. so it is a double—edged _ john sweeney is aware of that. so it is a double—edged sword _ john sweeney is aware of that. so it

is a double—edged sword and - john sweeney is aware of that. so it is a double—edged sword and it - john sweeney is aware of that. so it is a double—edged sword and it is l john sweeney is aware of that. so it is a double—edged sword and it is al is a double—edged sword and it is a single _ is a double—edged sword and it is a single transferable _ is a double—edged sword and it is a single transferable campaign. - is a double—edged sword and it is a| single transferable campaign. what he says— single transferable campaign. what he says is— single transferable campaign. what he says is we — single transferable campaign. what he says is we will— single transferable campaign. what he says is we will campaign- single transferable campaign. what he says is we will campaign for- single transferable campaign. what he says is we will campaign for you | he says is we will campaign for you on the _ he says is we will campaign for you on the issues — he says is we will campaign for you on the issues of _ he says is we will campaign for you on the issues of the _ he says is we will campaign for you on the issues of the cost _ he says is we will campaign for you on the issues of the cost of living, i on the issues of the cost of living, brexit. _ on the issues of the cost of living, brexit, austerity, _ on the issues of the cost of living, brexit, austerity, all— on the issues of the cost of living, brexit, austerity, all these - on the issues of the cost of living, brexit, austerity, all these issues| brexit, austerity, all these issues he raised — brexit, austerity, all these issues he raised and _ brexit, austerity, all these issues he raised and he _ brexit, austerity, all these issues he raised and he blames- brexit, austerity, all these issues he raised and he blames upon- he raised and he blames upon westminster, _ he raised and he blames upon westminster, but— he raised and he blames upon westminster, but at - he raised and he blames upon westminster, but at the - he raised and he blames uponj westminster, but at the same he raised and he blames upon- westminster, but at the same time he is simultaneously— westminster, but at the same time he is simultaneously leading _ westminster, but at the same time he is simultaneously leading to _ westminster, but at the same time he is simultaneously leading to those - is simultaneously leading to those supporters— is simultaneously leading to those supporters of— is simultaneously leading to those supporters of independence, - is simultaneously leading to those supporters of independence, if - is simultaneously leading to those| supporters of independence, if you wish independence _ supporters of independence, if you wish independence to _ supporters of independence, if you wish independence to stay - supporters of independence, if you. wish independence to stay relevant, if you _ wish independence to stay relevant, if you wish— wish independence to stay relevant, if you wish it — wish independence to stay relevant, if you wish it to _ wish independence to stay relevant, if you wish it to stay— wish independence to stay relevant, if you wish it to stay germane, - wish independence to stay relevant, if you wish it to stay germane, if- if you wish it to stay germane, if you wish— if you wish it to stay germane, if you wish to _ if you wish it to stay germane, if you wish to proceed _ if you wish it to stay germane, if you wish to proceed the - if you wish it to stay germane, if you wish to proceed the only - if you wish it to stay germane, if| you wish to proceed the only way if you wish it to stay germane, if. you wish to proceed the only way is to vote _ you wish to proceed the only way is to vote for— you wish to proceed the only way is to vote for snp. _ you wish to proceed the only way is to vote for snp. it _ you wish to proceed the only way is to vote for snp. it is— you wish to proceed the only way is to vote for snp. it is a _ you wish to proceed the only way is to vote for snp. it is a multifold . to vote for snp. it is a multifold poll to vote for snp. it is a multifold pott approach _ to vote for snp. it is a multifold pott approach. he _ to vote for snp. it is a multifold poll approach-— to vote for snp. it is a multifold poll approach. he says he still has a mandate — poll approach. he says he still has a mandate for— poll approach. he says he still has a mandate for independence - a mandate for independence irrespective of what happens onjuly four because they of course have the votes in the scottish parliament. and he points back to the last election for the scottish parliament. but clearly, rishi sunak and keir starmer have no appetite for and the rough, too. so let's presume it is a landslide for the labour party, what do they do about scotland, if they are the biggest power in scotland?— scotland, if they are the biggest power in scotland? well, i mean toda is

power in scotland? well, i mean today is manifesto _ power in scotland? well, i mean today is manifesto has _ power in scotland? well, i mean today is manifesto has always i power in scotland? well, i mean i today is manifesto has always been tricky _ today is manifesto has always been tricky because john sweeney is not only trying — tricky because john sweeney is not only trying to pitch his party forward, _ only trying to pitch his party forward, he's trying to defend a very— forward, he's trying to defend a very difficult record in power. and a predicted — very difficult record in power. and a predicted collapse, you mentioned that pole. _ a predicted collapse, you mentioned that pole, there are certain poles that pole, there are certain poles that are — that pole, there are certain poles that are putting the snp in single figures _ that are putting the snp in single figures. and in terms of what labour would _ figures. and in terms of what labour would do. _ figures. and in terms of what labour would do, we had very little detail but there — would do, we had very little detail but there certainly has been a big focus _ but there certainly has been a big focus within the campaign on scotland, keir starmer has paid many, — scotland, keir starmer has paid many, many visits to scotland and there _ many, many visits to scotland and there is— many, many visits to scotland and there is no— many, many visits to scotland and there is no doubt the vitality and house _ there is no doubt the vitality and house in— there is no doubt the vitality and house in the selection. of course as labour— house in the selection. of course as labour looks — house in the selection. of course as labour looks at an ever large majority _ labour looks at an ever large majority as it looks at the collapse of the conservative party in england. _ of the conservative party in england, scotland which looks extremely important for scotland is trecoming _ extremely important for scotland is becoming less vital, perhaps there will he _ becoming less vital, perhaps there will be less pressure to address certain— will be less pressure to address certain issues that are relevant to scotland — certain issues that are relevant to scotland i— certain issues that are relevant to scotland. i mean, the snp's wishlist announced _ scotland. i mean, the snp's wishlist announced today, voters will look at that and _ announced today, voters will look at that and they will know that so many

of those _ that and they will know that so many of those pledges require and assume money— of those pledges require and assume money coming out of westminster. and pressure _ money coming out of westminster. and pressure the _ money coming out of westminster. and pressure the snp claims they will be able to— pressure the snp claims they will be able to put on a labour government assuming _ able to put on a labour government assuming it's a labour government in westminster. but everyone knows the reality— westminster. but everyone knows the reality is, _ westminster. but everyone knows the reality is, the budget will be so extremely tight that these things are just _ extremely tight that these things are just wishful thinking, really. yeah, _ are just wishful thinking, really. yeah, we'll talk a bit more about that and a second. i mean chris mahrez, there are couple of things in his manifesto that catch my eye, one is of course the desire to have all tax raising powers in scotland, which sort of points towards devolution maximum which was a point. and the other is getting rid of the house of lords. i think gordon brown held a constitutional review a couple of years ago that talked about having a of lords replaced by an assembly of regions or nations. of those, a couple of things perhaps might interest anas

sarwar and scottish labour. i things perhaps might interest anas sarwar and scottish labour.- sarwar and scottish labour. i think the idea of reform _ sarwar and scottish labour. i think the idea of reform of _ sarwar and scottish labour. i think the idea of reform of the _ sarwar and scottish labour. i think the idea of reform of the house i sarwar and scottish labour. i think the idea of reform of the house of| the idea of reform of the house of lords is obviously intrigue. it's not going to be a first order issued for in incoming labour government which is what we will have. any suggestion we will have a assembly of nations and regions essentially strengthens its territorial performance and the way it represents people at a territorial level. obviously if you argue for independence in scotland that probably undermines your case of it, as you can see how that could become part of a labour offer. i think for the snp, the problem they are facing is that they are, at the same time trying to run an insurgent campaign against the big bad guys in london, where the little guy asking for independence, at the same time running on a record of defending many, many years in power in scotland. and that's almost an impossible position for them to be in. �* p, impossible position for them to be in. r . , , impossible position for them to be in. �* . , , �* ., impossible position for them to be in. �* . , , �* . , in. and in that sense, brian, 'ust cuickl , in. and in that sense, brian, 'ust quickly, w — in. and in that sense, brian, 'ust quickly. 17 years i in. and in that sense, brian, 'ust

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and you don't want another. i am perfectly happy to talk about growth. i have got questions here to ask you about growth, but i ask you about spending warnings from independent economists, you don't want to talk about it. but the two are linked. the two are linked, nick. i ask you about taxes, you don't want to talk about them. let's do one last one on tax before we get to growth. let me say this. the two things are linked. long—term, not short—term they are. in the end, the only way we will have the money for a public services is if we grow the economy. long—term, what you do next month? next autumn, next winter, next year? we can get cracking on these things straightaway. but we will in the first 100 days of a labour government update the national planning framework, the list of nationally significant infrastructure investments, so we can start growing our economy. anna, i think it's half a teacher per school, 1.1% in real terms for the nhs, the institute for crisco said there is a conspiracy of silence around this election on all sides from actually coming from both parties. when it comes to tax and

open it, which shone through in that exchange of morning. what open it, which shone through in that exchange of morning. what happens is, the exchange of morning. what happens is. the labour— exchange of morning. what happens is, the labour party _ exchange of morning. what happens is, the labour party knows, - exchange of morning. what happens is, the labour party knows, keir- is, the labour party knows, keir starmer— is, the labour party knows, keir starmer when he became leader he knows _ starmer when he became leader he knows that— starmer when he became leader he knows that the way to get labour delectable is making people trust them _ delectable is making people trust them on — delectable is making people trust them on the economy. this has been them on the economy. this has been the case _ them on the economy. this has been the case historically, repeatedly we've _ the case historically, repeatedly we've seen these cycles and then a labour— we've seen these cycles and then a labour government comes in and they are so— labour government comes in and they are so worried about losing the trust _ are so worried about losing the trust in — are so worried about losing the trust in the economy that they are extremely— trust in the economy that they are extremely cautious. we are seeing that with rachel reeves, it's no surprise — that with rachel reeves, it's no surprise that she is doing this and this election campaign because frankly, — this election campaign because frankly, it hasn't affected the holes — frankly, it hasn't affected the holes. the message and the warnings on tax _ holes. the message and the warnings on tax while _ holes. the message and the warnings on tax while very right, very correct _ on tax while very right, very correct to— on tax while very right, very correct to ask, and it certainly prompted _ correct to ask, and it certainly prompted a few awkward answers from labour _ prompted a few awkward answers from labour eventually, it doesn't seems to be _ labour eventually, it doesn't seems to be resonated with voters. possibly _ to be resonated with voters. possibly because people of princeton whatever— possibly because people of princeton whatever government comes in, there's— whatever government comes in, there's already very high tax burden and that's— there's already very high tax burden and that's expected to increase. maybe _ and that's expected to increase. maybe it's— and that's expected to increase. maybe it's a change in government,

not necessarily a change in direction or policy, because, you know, if you look at the manifestos, they are not vastly different in outlook, are they? they are quite centrist in their approach. chris murray, let me pick up on one thing. john sweeney has talked about £18 billion of cuts ahead. can we try to check that? the iff said that spending and some government departments would fall, sol spending and some government departments would fall, so i think they were referring to some of these cuts that would be there by 2029. are we looking at these calculations by ifs, expecting these to be cut quite steeply? the by ifs, expecting these to be cut quite steeply?— by ifs, expecting these to be cut quite steeply? the ifs has given us a ranue quite steeply? the ifs has given us a ranae of quite steeply? the ifs has given us a range of figures _ quite steeply? the ifs has given us a range of figures between - a range of figures between 10-20,000,000,000. in the snp has a and lightened on this figure. it's quite difficult to fact check the

future. one thing that exchange this morning brought to mind and listening tojohn sweeney and some of the questions that were asked to him today, i do hope the last couple of weeks is more focused on the parties answering questions on their own economic policy. it feels like the last couple of weeks have been all about them challenging with their opponents are going to do. we did some polling that is coming out to markham and one of the things that says it is 67% of voters who don't feel parties are being honest in the way they talked about the costing of other part of�*s policies. that rises to 85% when you look at voters who are still undecided. if parties think they are bashing the opposition, that doesn't cut it. and obviously election campaign debate would be looking at what the parties themselves are saying and getting themselves are saying and getting them to defend it.— them to defend it. plenty more to net into them to defend it. plenty more to get into over _ them to defend it. plenty more to get into over the _ them to defend it. plenty more to get into over the next _ them to defend it. plenty more to get into over the next 40 - them to defend it. plenty more to get into over the next 40 minutes them to defend it. plenty more to i get into over the next 40 minutes or so, do you stay with us. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc

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there was some rare good news for the embattled prime minister this morning as inflation fell to 2%, the bank of england's target, for the first time in three years. the uk is now in a better position on inflation than almost every other g7 nation. prices are rising above 2% in most eu countires and at 3.3% in the us. but remember this is a 2% on the year to may. it is still the case that food prices have risen by 25% since the start of 2022, while the average weekly wage has only risen by 12.2%. which means a lot of families have been going without. the prime minister said it was proof the conservatives plan had worked. inflation back to target. it was 11% when i became prime minister. i said it was a priority to bring it down so people can start now to feel an ease in the cost pressures they have seen. and it is because that plan has worked that we have been able to start cutting people's taxes.

anna, the government would like to take credit for but when inflation was running at about 11% they were quite adamant that it was outside forces. if you make that argument, can you claim credit when it comes back down at this point, rishi sunak takes any bit of— at this point, rishi sunak takes any bit of good — at this point, rishi sunak takes any bit of good news he can get. he did make _ bit of good news he can get. he did make a pledge and in theory, he had .one make a pledge and in theory, he had gone borrowing like liz truss or someone, — gone borrowing like liz truss or someone, then that wouldn't have happened — someone, then that wouldn't have happened. the point here is he is taking a _ happened. the point here is he is taking a very technocratic approach. like you _ taking a very technocratic approach. like you correctly say, they don't care _ like you correctly say, they don't care about — like you correctly say, they don't care about the headline rate of inflation, — care about the headline rate of inflation, people don't, they care about— inflation, people don't, they care about how— inflation, people don't, they care about how much money they feel like they've _ about how much money they feel like they've got _ about how much money they feel like they've got in their pockets. at this point— they've got in their pockets. at this point in the economic cycle, everyone — this point in the economic cycle, everyone feels poor. inflation is brought— everyone feels poor. inflation is brought down effectively causing recession by raising interest rates, by making — recession by raising interest rates, by making people intentionally poor and making them spend less, that way

you put— and making them spend less, that way you put massive breaks in the economy _ you put massive breaks in the economy. and i always find it very bizarre _ economy. and i always find it very bizarre when politicians start bragging about inflation going down, no. maybe in six months people will feel a _ no. maybe in six months people will feel a bit— no. maybe in six months people will feel a bit better, maybe when they're — feel a bit better, maybe when they're finally come mortgages start to fall, _ they're finally come mortgages start to fall, but _ they're finally come mortgages start to fall, but at this... but they're finally come mortgages start to fall, but at this. . ._ to fall, but at this... but that is the point. _ to fall, but at this... but that is the point. is — to fall, but at this. .. but that is the point. is it— to fall, but at this... but that is the point, is it not, _ to fall, but at this... but that is the point, is it not, and - to fall, but at this... but that is the point, is it not, and a? - to fall, but at this... but that is the point, is it not, and a? it. to fall, but at this... but that is i the point, is it not, and a? it begs the point, is it not, and a? it begs the question of rishi sunak, why he went early. we know that the bank of england is not going to cut interest rates probably before september. we'll wait and see, maybe we just start to rise, certainly interest rates might start to come down, why go early? i rates might start to come down, why no earl ? ~ rates might start to come down, why . earl ? ~ . . ., go early? i think the calculation, essentially. _ go early? i think the calculation, essentially, was _ go early? i think the calculation, essentially, was that _ go early? i think the calculation, essentially, was that he - go early? i think the calculation, essentially, was that he didn't i go early? i think the calculation, i essentially, was that he didn't have enough _ essentially, was that he didn't have enough time, because around the time they called. _ enough time, because around the time they called, he called the election, they called, he called the election, the general consensus in markets was that he _ the general consensus in markets was that he -- _ the general consensus in markets was that he —— they would be making one cut in november they were saying. which _ cut in november they were saying. which is _ cut in november they were saying. which is a — cut in november they were saying. which is a huge, hugely pessimistic investment where the government. originally, — investment where the government. originally, they thought they would be seeing several rate cuts and things— be seeing several rate cuts and things really starting to feel like

it's getting better, in actual fact by the _ it's getting better, in actual fact by the end of this year which is the maximum — by the end of this year which is the maximum time he could have called an election. _ maximum time he could have called an election. it— maximum time he could have called an election, it wouldn't have even particularly filtered down to people's mortgages yet. brian, it is true, i've people's mortgages yet. brian, it is true. i've just _ people's mortgages yet. brian, it is true, i've just come _ people's mortgages yet. brian, it is true, i've just come back— people's mortgages yet. brian, it is true, i've just come back from - true, i've just come back from brussels, although western leaders are getting a kicking because inflation has been so high in the last 12—24 months. but it is true that we are in a better position than most of the other g—7 countries, is that something the government could point to? is there something in the way they have managed the economy that has brought that about? . managed the economy that has brought that about? , . ., that about? getting the inflation down to the _ that about? getting the inflation down to the targeted _ that about? getting the inflation down to the targeted figure... . that about? getting the inflation l down to the targeted figure... he would down to the targeted figure... would point to the strikes. absolutely not, under no circumstances _ absolutely not, under no circumstances because . absolutely not, under no i circumstances because the absolutely not, under no _ circumstances because the committee is meeting _ circumstances because the committee is meeting tomorrow— circumstances because the committee is meeting tomorrow likely _ circumstances because the committee is meeting tomorrow likely to - circumstances because the committee is meeting tomorrow likely to leave i is meeting tomorrow likely to leave rates _ is meeting tomorrow likely to leave rates on _ is meeting tomorrow likely to leave rates on change. _ is meeting tomorrow likely to leave rates on change, that _ is meeting tomorrow likely to leave rates on change, that means - is meeting tomorrow likely to leave i rates on change, that means there's no impact _ rates on change, that means there's no impact in — rates on change, that means there's no impact in the _ rates on change, that means there's no impact in the near— rates on change, that means there's no impact in the near future - rates on change, that means there's no impact in the near future or- no impact in the near future or medium — no impact in the near future or medium future _ no impact in the near future or medium future on _ no impact in the near future or medium future on mortgage. i no impact in the near future or. medium future on mortgage. the actual— medium future on mortgage. the actual increase _ medium future on mortgage. the actual increase is _ medium future on mortgage. the actual increase is still _ medium future on mortgage. the actual increase is still embeddedl

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issue of going too early, have a listen to this question emailed in by one listener. "why has rishi sunak failed with the hugely expensive rwanda plan? no—one has gone there." prime minister — this is obviously the small boats issue that you were addressing there. yeah, and of course... you've got no—one there, and it's... i understand it could cost in the region of £300 million. that's the choice at this election. if you care about stopping the boats, i'm the only one who's got a plan to do it. which is interesting because one of his own ministers, leo docherty the defence minister running in aldershot told politico this morning that in his mind sunak should have waited until he had been able to send a flight "off to rwanda". "i was keen for that to happen really as a test. he said that would have been a defining moment" imean it i mean it is ahead scratcher for many conservative supporters, something that is happened so much bandwidth —— taken so much bandwidth in this parliament didn't even come to fruition, it hadn't been tested. would one flight have been a defining moment? ithink would one flight have been a defining moment? i think that would be debatable. yesterday i think it

was 882 arrivals in small boats that crossed the channel, the highest single day figure for a year. and while mr sunak is right when he says after the last 12 months the numbers have gone down compared to the previous 12 months, actually in this period last year come of this. this year, they are at record highs. and one flight going to rwanda? i'm not sure that would have changed the course of an election. i think there were other more pressing issues to take into account.— were other more pressing issues to take into account. you're on your to june, take into account. you're on your to june. there — take into account. you're on your to june. there is _ take into account. you're on your to june, there is been _ take into account. you're on your to june, there is been a _ take into account. you're on your to june, there is been a 3096 _ take into account. you're on your to june, there is been a 3096 fall - take into account. you're on your to j june, there is been a 3096 fall which june, there is been a 30% fall which is what the prime minister refers to come of that is compared to the year before in 2022.— before in 2022. record levels, yeah. and the number— before in 2022. record levels, yeah. and the number of— before in 2022. record levels, yeah. and the number of arrivals _ before in 2022. record levels, yeah. and the number of arrivals from - and the number of arrivals from january tojune and the number of arrivals from january to june is the and the number of arrivals from january tojune is the highest on record compared to the same period of previous years. the point is, anna, labour is going to inherit that. maybe in two weeks' time. and that. maybe in two weeks' time. and it's auoin that. maybe in two weeks' time. and it's going to — that. maybe in two weeks' time. and it's going to be a test. absolutely. i it's going to be a test. absolutely. i mean. _ it's going to be a test. absolutely. i mean. keir— it's going to be a test. absolutely. i mean, keir starmer says he's got a plan. _ i mean, keir starmer says he's got a plan, and— i mean, keir starmer says he's got a plan, and he— i mean, keir starmer says he's got a plan, and he says he's going to

focus, — plan, and he says he's going to focus, use _ plan, and he says he's going to focus, use his experience as a former— focus, use his experience as a former director of public persecutions to really go after the criminal— persecutions to really go after the criminal gangs, the problem with that is— criminal gangs, the problem with that is the — criminal gangs, the problem with that is the various authorities have already— that is the various authorities have already been trying to go after the criminal— already been trying to go after the criminal gangs. it requires an international effort, it is much harder— international effort, it is much harder than it seems. and of course, the main _ harder than it seems. and of course, the main problem frankly is the lack of ability— the main problem frankly is the lack of ability to— the main problem frankly is the lack of ability to return them all to france — of ability to return them all to france. . ,., , . france. on that point christian, it's worth _ france. on that point christian, it's worth pointing _ france. on that point christian, it's worth pointing out, - france. on that point christian, | it's worth pointing out, obviously rishi sunak is on pressure on the right from the reform party who said they would do for cicely that, we'll pick up people from small boats and send it back to france, the floor on that plan if they haven't seemed to ask the french if they would be willing to accept them, so this is a very, very complex issue and migration right across europe is something that is going to dominate politics for years.— politics for years. france might have a nationalist _ politics for years. france might have a nationalist prime - politics for years. france might i have a nationalist prime minister politics for years. france might - have a nationalist prime minister in a few weeks' time. the interesting thing in the at snp manifesto, some

cities in america want to put some into work. �* , . ., , . into work. and they are offering a sympathetic _ into work. and they are offering a sympathetic approach _ into work. and they are offering a sympathetic approach to - into work. and they are offering a - sympathetic approach to immigration, then it _ sympathetic approach to immigration, then it can— sympathetic approach to immigration, then it can ire— sympathetic approach to immigration, then it can be advantageous— sympathetic approach to immigration, then it can be advantageous to - sympathetic approach to immigration, then it can be advantageous to the - then it can be advantageous to the economy — then it can be advantageous to the economy. they— then it can be advantageous to the economy. they don't _ then it can be advantageous to the economy. they don't have - then it can be advantageous to the economy. they don't have the - then it can be advantageous to the j economy. they don't have the very emotive _ economy. they don't have the very emotive topic _ economy. they don't have the very emotive topic of _ economy. they don't have the very emotive topic of the _ economy. they don't have the very emotive topic of the small- economy. they don't have the very emotive topic of the small boats l emotive topic of the small boats because — emotive topic of the small boats because that _ emotive topic of the small boats because that is _ emotive topic of the small boats because that is primarily- emotive topic of the small boats because that is primarily of - emotive topic of the small boats l because that is primarily of course an issue _ because that is primarily of course an issue for— because that is primarily of course an issue for the _ because that is primarily of course an issue for the south—east- because that is primarily of course an issue for the south—east cornerj an issue for the south—east corner of england — an issue for the south—east corner of england they— an issue for the south—east corner of england. they don't _ an issue for the south—east corner of england. they don't have - an issue for the south—east corner| of england. they don't have them. an issue for the south—east corner. of england. they don't have them. if anything. _ of england. they don't have them. if anything. the — of england. they don't have them. if anything, the emotive _ of england. they don't have them. if anything, the emotive arguments i of england. they don't have them. if anything, the emotive arguments in| anything, the emotive arguments in scotland _ anything, the emotive arguments in scotland are — anything, the emotive arguments in scotland are the _ anything, the emotive arguments in scotland are the other _ anything, the emotive arguments in scotland are the other way. - anything, the emotive arguments in scotland are the other way. they i anything, the emotive arguments in| scotland are the other way. they are towards _ scotland are the other way. they are towards admitting _ scotland are the other way. they are towards admitting people _ scotland are the other way. they are towards admitting people on - scotland are the other way. they are towards admitting people on the - towards admitting people on the grounds — towards admitting people on the grounds ofm _ towards admitting people on the grounds ofm 0f— towards admitting people on the grounds of... of human - towards admitting people on the | grounds of... of human decency, towards admitting people on the - grounds of... of human decency, but also admitting — grounds of... of human decency, but also admitting people _ grounds of... of human decency, but also admitting people in _ grounds of... of human decency, but also admitting people in the - grounds of... of human decency, but also admitting people in the ground i also admitting people in the ground on the _ also admitting people in the ground on the idea — also admitting people in the ground on the idea of— also admitting people in the ground on the idea of enhancing _ also admitting people in the ground on the idea of enhancing economicl on the idea of enhancing economic prospects for — on the idea of enhancing economic prospects for scotland, _ on the idea of enhancing economic prospects for scotland, it's - on the idea of enhancing economic prospects for scotland, it's been . on the idea of enhancing economicl prospects for scotland, it's been an argument _ prospects for scotland, it's been an argument in — prospects for scotland, it's been an argument in scotland _ prospects for scotland, it's been an argument in scotland for— prospects for scotland, it's been an argument in scotland for about - prospects for scotland, it's been an . argument in scotland for about 10—20 years. _ argument in scotland for about 10—20 years. scotland — argument in scotland for about 10—20 years, scotland population _ argument in scotland for about 10—20 years, scotland population was - years, scotland population was dectining — years, scotland population was declining for— years, scotland population was declining for a _ years, scotland population was declining for a spell, _ years, scotland population was declining for a spell, reversedl declining for a spell, reversed partly— declining for a spell, reversed partly by— declining for a spell, reversed partly by an— declining for a spell, reversed partly by an endeavour - declining for a spell, reversed partly by an endeavour to - declining for a spell, reversed . partly by an endeavour to attract people _ partly by an endeavour to attract people here, _ partly by an endeavour to attract people here, so _ partly by an endeavour to attract people here, so if— partly by an endeavour to attract people here, so if you _ partly by an endeavour to attract people here, so if you like, - partly by an endeavour to attract people here, so if you like, the i people here, so if you like, the leitmotif— people here, so if you like, the teitmotif in _ people here, so if you like, the leitmotif in the _ people here, so if you like, the leitmotif in the background - people here, so if you like, the leitmotif in the background of. people here, so if you like, the . leitmotif in the background of the debate _ leitmotif in the background of the debate is — leitmotif in the background of the debate is very— leitmotif in the background of the debate is very different _ leitmotif in the background of the debate is very different in - leitmotif in the background of the. debate is very different in scotland from what — debate is very different in scotland from what it — debate is very different in scotland from what it is _ debate is very different in scotland from what it is in— debate is very different in scotland from what it is in the _ debate is very different in scotland from what it is in the south—east .

debate is very different in scotland | from what it is in the south—east of engtand _ from what it is in the south—east of engtand for— from what it is in the south—east of england for entirely— from what it is in the south—east of| england for entirely understandable reasons— england for entirely understandable reasons of— england for entirely understandable reasons of a — england for entirely understandable reasons of a distinctive _ england for entirely understandable reasons of a distinctive approach. . reasons of a distinctive approach. of course — reasons of a distinctive approach. of course we _ reasons of a distinctive approach. of course we talk _ reasons of a distinctive approach. of course we talk about _ reasons of a distinctive approach. of course we talk about the - reasons of a distinctive approach. | of course we talk about the bugs, reasons of a distinctive approach. . of course we talk about the bugs, it is not migration, legal migration thatis is not migration, legal migration that is the thing that has been so high it through the last two or three years, which is something that governments can control. we'll see what labour does about that. we're going to take a short break, the other side of that we will talk about another element of the scottish manifesto and that is their desire to rejoin the eu. why is brexit not part of the debate? on this side of the border? to stay with us, we'll be right back. hello. thanks forjoining me. it's been a fine day for most of us, feeling a little warmer, too. those temperatures have been rising in the last few days. the weather settling down, a clear evening on the way. skies a little hazy in places. in fact, if we look at the satellite picture from earlier on, you can see also a weather front very close to our neighbourhood here.

and that may keep things cloudy and damp, at least for a time this evening and overnight in the northwest of the uk, but the evening, not particularly cold. eight o'clock, we will have had temperatures around 15 in the lowlands of scotland, 18 or 19 in the south. and also, what's particularly high are the pollen levels across england, wales, northern ireland, too — not quite so high further north in scotland. so, the forecast, then — for the nights, generally clear for the night, generally clear across most of england, wales, much of northern ireland, too, but then later on in the night, western and southwestern scotland and the north of northern ireland could be damp. not particularly cold, although outside of town centres temperatures could dip to single figures. the forecast for tomorrow, then, lots of sunshine right from the word go, but then i think the clouds will bubble up, in places, the skies will also be hazy and maybe cloudy at times here in the northwest. again, a few spits and spots of rain possible with the weather fronts close by. but every bit as warm, temperatures in the low 20s in the south — pushing 20 degrees in the northeast

of england as well. now, the forecast into friday, then. now, admittedly, a bit of a blip on the way. this weather front approaches from the atlantic, and that does spell thick cloud and the possibility of some rain across ireland, eventually around the irish sea into western and northern scotland. but the further east you are and the further south, the brighter, if not sunnier, the weather will be on friday. and these are southerly winds, so these temperatures could creep up a little further — 23 in london and into the low 20s expected across northern england. a little bit cooler out towards the west here, remember, where we have that weather front. the weather front will fall apart, and then, as we head through the course of the weekend, high pressure will start building across the uk. light winds, generally bright if not sunny weather. so, here's the outlook for the weekend and into next week when that real warming trend will begin. we could even see temperatures approaching the high 20s. it's been on the cool side recently. now, it could turn a little too warm for some. bye— bye.