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within the democratic party. presidentjoe biden is vowing to stay in the race for the white house, despite a shaky showing at the cnn presidential debate. his performance prompted the new york times editorial board to call for the president to leave the race, writing plainly: "mr biden is not the man he was four years ago." questions over mr biden�*s age and fitness for office are not new, but the face—off between president biden and former president donald trump on thursday evening triggered private panic among some democratic officials, despite a firm public defence of mr biden�*s performance from his campaign and allies. in a fiery speech on friday, mr biden hit back at criticism over his age and told supporters he will win re—election in november. i know i am not a young man, i know i am nota young man, to i know i am not a young man, to state the obvious. i do not walk as easily as a user, i do not speak as smoothly as they
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used to, i don't debate as good as a user, but i know what i do know, i know what to tell the truth and i know what millions of americans know, when you get knocked down you get back up. cheering and applause. meanwhile, former president trump held a rally of his own just hours later, where he also dismissed speculation that mr biden would bow out of the race. we had a big victory against them and that really is looking to destroy our country. he is the worst, he is the most corrupt, the most incompetent president in the history of our country. many people are saying that after last night's performance thatjoe biden is leaving the race but the fact is, i do not really believe that because he does better in polls than any of the democrats they are talking about. to understand the national reaction to the debate, i spoke to david wiegel, who covers politics at semafor. everybody today still talking
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about this debate. is that a historic moment? it about this debate. is that a historic moment?— about this debate. is that a historic moment? it is. what ou saw historic moment? it is. what you saw today _ historic moment? it is. what you saw today was _ historic moment? it is. what you saw today was the - historic moment? it is. what you saw today was the bideni you saw today was the biden campaign tried to make it look as an historic as possible. they are evoking what barack obama did in 2012 with the first of eight against mitt romney which was very poorly reviewed and they were trying to compare what biden did to what happened then. the difference is the preponderance, some democrats saying this is different and he's not the same man he was and he needs resign and with bernie sanders in wisconsin, saying he is not a good debater, he's not even a good speaker and we have to that. what we did also see was today president biden speaking passionately at a rally in north carolina. i wonder how thatis north carolina. i wonder how that is playing out with people. is that is playing out with --eole. , that is playing out with eo le, , ., , , that is playing out with --eole. , ., people. is it reassuring at all? i have _ people. is it reassuring at
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all? i have been - people. is it reassuring at all? i have been talking i people. is it reassuring at| all? i have been talking to some voters here and again to local democrats. local democrats say they felt heartened by the biden performance of that but they wanted that performance last night. no democrat thinks they're going to getjoe biden of 2012 or even 2020. they thoughtjoe biden could as he has done at the standard state of the union, to dispel worries thatis of the union, to dispel worries that is too old for the job. but in north carolina it was a rally, it was not a spontaneous interview, it was not a serious of questions but something with a teleprompter and good lines. there were falsehoods and misleading statements on the other side from donald trump. speaking to voters, how do they feel about essentially getting the truth about what a trumpet presidency would mean? because i have been _ presidency would mean? because
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i have been on _ presidency would mean? because i have been on the _ presidency would mean? because i have been on the trail _ presidency would mean? because i have been on the trail with - i have been on the trail with sanders and democrats, i have mostly heard from democrats and they are frustrated that trump, who does not say any truthful things about his record or biden�*s records, anyone watching knew they were wrong, he mistake how migrants do inaudible. they are not in the conversation. they cannot control what people are talking about and what people take away and rememberfrom the debate. they are very aware that trump got away in the short term with some falsehood that a candidate, an opponent more on the game, would have called out in real time. and they know it is a problem and i have to deal with the aftermath of what biden did. with the aftermath of what biden did-— biden did. we have some high-ranking _ biden did. we have some high-ranking democrats. biden did. we have some - high-ranking democrats coming high—ranking democrats coming out defending president biden
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but privately, behind closed doors, do you have any insights to their conversations?- to their conversations? yes, there is a — to their conversations? yes, there is a lot _ to their conversations? yes, there is a lot of _ to their conversations? yes, there is a lot of panic. - to their conversations? yes, there is a lot of panic. the l there is a lot of panic. the reactions are basically that, from very few democrats on the record he should go and be replaced. fora record he should go and be replaced. for a large number of democrats, he had a bad night and he can get pastor. and a third category, a silent, they not want to go on the record. i had colleagues on capitol hill asking me about this and people putting on headphones, pretending they were taking phone calls. some things are overrated but this is not been overrated. there is a lot of democratic worry. there is not a meeting of democrats saying this is the plan and we will break out of this. they looking at the aftermath of bowling and saying is this a dramatic enough event that we need to talk about replacement. if they talk about replacement. if they talk about replacement. if they talk about it, it is a complicated process and it is not something he can drop off
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and replace. it is not clear. we have a vice president in the wing but does not pile well and does not articulate properly. thank you for sharing your reporting. as we mentioned, as criticism grows, top democrats are standing behind president biden. former president barack obama put out a statement saying: earlier i spoke to amanda renteria, national political director for hillary clinton's 2016 campaign, to understand how democrats are responding to the debate. what do you make firstly of the raft of opiates we have seen today, including from the new york times, comments on social media talking aboutjoe biden stepping aside or an open convention? i stepping aside or an open convention?— stepping aside or an open convention? . ., , , , convention? i am not surprised after last night. _ convention? i am not surprised after last night. debates - convention? i am not surprised after last night. debates about| after last night. debates about expectation. people expected to
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see the state of the unionjoe biden and that is not what happened and of course that worried everyone. there is an intensity right now around the election and it really is the kick—off but it worried because i did not surprise me too much. what you are seeing now is a campaign fired what you are seeing now is a campaignfired up. what you are seeing now is a campaign fired up. and recognising that it is going to take everyone up and down at the ballot to win at this election. that was always the case. i think biden has a test over the next couple of days and weeks to prove that it was and weeks to prove that it was a data point out of line from everything else he is. we know he's a guy that gets back up and is resilient and the whole country needs to see that now. do you think the country can forget some of that performance? is that you're not surprised by it. do you think he should step aside? i do not. i think he _ he should step aside? i do not. i think he really _ he should step aside? i do not. i think he really has _ he should step aside? i do not. i think he really has to - he should step aside? i do not. i think he really has to move i i think he really has to move forward and prove, like he says, watch me, and i think he has to prove that. should there be another stumble or i do think democrats will take a
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look at the next step but everyone has the chance to have a bad night, especially elected officials, they know because they have all had one bad night here or there.— they have all had one bad night here or there. many might make the point. _ here or there. many might make the point. if— here or there. many might make the point, if you _ here or there. many might make the point, if you look— here or there. many might make the point, if you look at - the point, if you look at barack 0bama's performers he was alluding to, that he was a relatively young man and he could pick himself back up, perhaps practice a little bit harder for debates, perhaps practice a little bit harderfor debates, not harder for debates, not necessarily the harderfor debates, not necessarily the case forjoe biden. how does his campaign team getting back on track? they have to put him in environments where he really can reconnect with people. but listen, he had a cold, it was tough, he had a bad night. now we will see, the next event, what does it look like? if you get to the policy, back to the difference between him and trump, that would be incredibly important notjust for him but for all the surrogates to out badly trumpet, the kind of lies he is still spewing. 0ne badly trumpet, the kind of lies he is still spewing. one of the things that happened today, donald trump made all kinds of
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lies today. and joe biden was able to be the biden we saw at the state of the union today. he needs to do that to defuse a kind of trust and stamina people wanted to see it last night. it people wanted to see it last niuht. , people wanted to see it last ni. ht, , ., , ., people wanted to see it last niuht. _, ., night. it is also about countering _ night. it is also about countering the - night. it is also about - countering the mistruths, misstatements in real time if there is a second debate, not necessarily something president biden was able to do last night. how does he go about that? countering those false claims that they resonate with the electorate? he claims that they resonate with the electorate?— claims that they resonate with the electorate? he has to do it on the campaign _ the electorate? he has to do it on the campaign trail- the electorate? he has to do it on the campaign trail but - the electorate? he has to do it on the campaign trail but i - on the campaign trail but i think one of the lessons here i am guessing that his campaign team recognises is that maybe facts and figures are not the way to go back at trump. the lesson was also made in 2016. they do not work when you're working with a candidate who is lying every single step of the way and i think that was a mixup from last night. i suspect the next debate would be quite different and it certainly has to be different but you will see a different kind of prep as well.-
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but you will see a different kind of prep as well. what kind of conversations _ kind of prep as well. what kind of conversations you _ kind of prep as well. what kind of conversations you his - of conversations you his campaign are having privately now? ., . , ., campaign are having privately now? ., ., , ., ., now? you really need to look at what your— now? you really need to look at what your plan _ now? you really need to look at what your plan is _ now? you really need to look at what your plan is low. _ what your plan is low. somethings have not changed. surrogates were always going to be important for biden. they knew you have an older candidate and it would be taken up candidate and it would be taken up and down that ticket. the point that has changed and you seeing it today, they need people to up the to get on the right now, president 0bama being out there, speaking for the democratic party as well. also quite some calls behind the scenes to make shop people have a plan, then moving forward and the campaign is saying, we need your help and outlet right now as well. lastly, briefly if you don't mind, do you think democratic voters have a right to feel frustrated by what they saw last night and the fact there is more youngblood in politics? i think all of us are
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frustrated, absolutely. we do want to see a next generation and am hopeful we will not do this again in ourfuture because you have a bunch of democratic leaders waiting in the wings who are fantastic and you will see more of them in the next period of the election cycle. meanwhile, republicans are claiming victory, with some even calling on president biden to be removed under the 25th amendment, which allows for the president's removalfrom office if he is deemed unfit to serve, including speaker of the house, mikejohnson. president biden is not up to the job. everyone sees that clearly. it's not nothing we take pleasure in pointing out because it's so dangerous because we are concerned about the stature on the world stage. i think it's a very clear choice regarding stamina and temperament. i got the view from republicans from matt terrill, a republican strategist who served as chief of staff to marco rubio's presidential campaign. matt, your thoughts on what you saw on stage last night?
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well, a bad night for president biden. no question. that republicans, democrats, undecided all agree. it wasn'tjust a bad night. this is a recurring theme that president biden has about age, stamina and energy. it's his biggest vulnerability. he needed to alleviate concerns about that. he amplified his concerns. it seems there some problems in politics that are not flexible and this might be one of them. you mentioned age, stamina. some might say that donald trump has more issues when it comes to the truth. was that a concern for you? many fact checking methods showed he did repeat falsehoods a number of times and he is using that to try and win favour. sometimes what happens in debates means people
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will examine the performance but sometimes, what happens is the media covers the spin, often... right now, everything we are talking about is the poor performance of president biden. but voters have the right to know the truth? voters always have a right to know the truth. the fact checkers dive into everything you are discussing but that isn't what is being talked about regarding this debate. that's not the narrative. the real question is... talking about this narrative put forward by donald trump. he talked about black and hispanicjobs. will that not isolate some important voter groups? if you look at the polling and
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take it with a grain of salt, president biden is underperforming with those groups. many of the voters have beenin groups. many of the voters have been in lockstep with the democrat party. the problem is president biden has been underperforming which is a challenge. and the concerns they have around his stamina which amplified last night. he needed to make sure those voters, those concerns were pushed back but they were pushed back but they were pushed forward and amplified. it is not a good situation at all. ., it is not a good situation at all. . ., ,., it is not a good situation at all. . ., . , all. there are also concerns about the — all. there are also concerns about the future _ all. there are also concerns about the future of - all. there are also concerns . about the future of democracy. do you think we have a clear enough answer when donald trump was asked for example about whether he would accept defeat? it is the answer he has been giving consistently for a number of years now. look,
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voters will either agree or not like with the answers and they will make the decision when they go and fight but we're not talking about that. we're not talking about that. we're not talking about that. we're not talking about democracy, anti—abortion or any other issues brought up, the messaging and policy, we are talking about president biden and his poor performance. both candidates had a mission, for president biden was to alleviate concerns around age, stamina and energy and he failed at that mission. both candidates, if they had strong performances it would not move the race much but one had a bad performance and it could. time will tell on _ performance and it could. time will tell on that. _ performance and it could. time will tell on that. talking - will tell on that. talking about the vision that donald trump sketched out, do you back if that vision that he sketched out if you were to have another presidency, particularly on the global stage? presidency, particularly on the globalstage? lack presidency, particularly on the global stage? lack of support for example with ukraine and cutting off funding?— for example with ukraine and cutting off funding? there are some things _ cutting off funding? there are some things i _ cutting off funding? there are some things i agree _ cutting off funding? there are some things i agree with - cutting off funding? there are
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some things i agree with and | some things i agree with and don't agree with fault president trump. there will be policy among domestic issues. i am one person and this is about the voters who will decide if this election. there are millions of them out there but ultimately it is about the independent and undecided voters. that was what we discussed right now play with foreign—policy immigration, at the end of the day, abortion has energised by sides and they will turn out for the respective nominees. it will come down to three states, probably wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania and the question is what do they care about and i know it is inflation, immigration can present biden do the job as president and that is what will be discussed in the campaign. —— president biden. foreign policy has become one of the focal issues in the race between biden and trump, with the pair sparring over their contrasting visions for america's role on the world stage. the outcome of november's presidential election may
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major implications for how the us engages with its allies abroad, and for the ongoing conflicts in ukraine and gaza. 0ur correspondents in moscow, kyiv and jerusalem were watching for reactions around the world. it was four o'clock in the morning here in moscow when the us presidential debate got under way. was vladimir putin watching? well, later his spokesman told me, "you would not expect that russian president "to set his alarm clock and get up early to watch a us debate." which was not technically a no. i'm sure someone in the kremlin was glued to this because moscow understands that the us election could have a direct impact on russia's war on ukraine. certainly if vladimir putin was watching, he would have enjoyed the spectacle, because ofjoe biden's shaky performance. there is no love lost between the two leaders. the kremlin would have noted and appreciated donald trump's criticism of the scale of us military assistance to kyiv as well as the fact that at the time it sounded as well as the fact that
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at times it sounded as if mr trump was blaming mr biden more than mr putin for the war in ukraine. the sense is that there was more heat than light when it came to the comments about ukraine in the debate. each of the candidates tried to blame the other for the invasion of ukraine. president trump, former president trump, saying that it was because of joe biden's week policy on afghanistan, and president biden saying it was because of donald trump's relationship with vladimir putin, if you like, giving him the green light. i think there was one significant moment where the moderators tried to press donald trump on the idea of a deal, which he has proposed he could get somehow with russia, to end the war, and whether ukraine would have to accept russia's terms, which effectively means giving up large chunks of its territory. he said no but did not really give any more details behind that. he did though say that ukraine was getting a lot of money from the united states. he talked about $200 billion and about president zelensky being a very effective salesman
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when he went to washington, so the implication, i think, of that would be that perhaps he will use that as a leverage on ukraine to try and force it to the negotiating table. i don't think the expectations were very high ahead of this debate that either president biden or donald trump would really have any kind of a new roadmap to try and help the region extricate itself from this desperately difficult situation that it's in — the war between hamas and israel in gaza, and the widening regional tensions. we certainly did not have that. i do not think that the dial was really moved in terms of policy. both men there, standing to be president of the usa, that essentially means that traditionally they show very strong support for israel. and they both did that. there was one moment when president biden was defending his record on gaza against criticism from donald trump when he said that he saved israel. now i do not think that is going to necessarily help the fractious relationship that's been building between him and the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu who might
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look at scant on that. as far as palestinians are concerned, arabs, pro—palestinian voices, i think they would feel that one of the big things that was missing was essentially any recognition of what the palestinians have been going through in gaza and beyond. president biden had hoped to win over key constituencies in battleground states and undecided voters at friday's debate.to talk about the debate's potential impact on voters' attitudes, i spoke to ruth igielnik. she's the new york times' polling editor. what does the polling say about who won? most state donald trump but it is early to know. most americans are consuming the debate through clips. the poles over the next few days is what we will be paying attention to.— what we will be paying attention to. ~ . ., attention to. what about the emotional — attention to. what about the emotional feeling _ attention to. what about the emotional feeling in - attention to. what about the emotional feeling in all- attention to. what about the emotional feeling in all of. emotional feeling in all of this. what feelings are coming
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through among the public about what they saw on stage last night? what they saw on stage last niuht? ., . , what they saw on stage last niuht? ., ., , ., , night? you are seeing in early olls night? you are seeing in early polls and _ night? you are seeing in early polls and hearing _ night? you are seeing in early polls and hearing from - night? you are seeing in early polls and hearing from people and interviews that democrats are very upset about what happened last night. they were not thrilled with joe biden's performance and they are feeling very emotional and concerned about it.- feeling very emotional and concerned about it. what about histo ? concerned about it. what about history? what _ concerned about it. what about history? what does _ concerned about it. what about history? what does it _ concerned about it. what about history? what does it tell- concerned about it. what about history? what does it tell us i history? what does it tell us about whether a candidate can recover from a poor performance? i recover from a poor performance? recover from a poor erformance? ~' , ., , performance? i think history makes it clear _ performance? i think history makes it clear that - performance? i think history | makes it clear that candidates certainly can. a lot of us remember barack obama had a pretty difficult first debate in 2012 and he was easily able to recover from that. in 2012 and he was easily able to recoverfrom that. this is earlier than debates have ever beenin earlier than debates have ever been in the history of presidential debate so i do think it is possible to recover from something like this. i am cufious from something like this. i am curious as _ from something like this. i am curious as to _ from something like this. i am curious as to what _ from something like this. i am curious as to what you - from something like this. i am curious as to what you think. curious as to what you think when it comes to people who are perhaps undecided, independent voters. how are they reflecting on last night? aha, voters. how are they reflecting on last night?—
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on last night? a lot of people have been — on last night? a lot of people have been asking _ on last night? a lot of people have been asking about - on last night? a lot of people have been asking about joe i have been asking aboutjoe biden's age and there is no questions in poles a lot of undecided voters are concerned about his age and that is popping even more than it was before the debate and to be clear before the debate we had a majority of undecided voters being concerned aboutjoe biden's age. being concerned about joe biden's age.— being concerned about joe biden's age. politics never ha en biden's age. politics never happen in _ biden's age. politics never happen in a _ biden's age. politics never happen in a vacuum. - biden's age. politics never happen in a vacuum. this | biden's age. politics neverl happen in a vacuum. this is biden's age. politics never - happen in a vacuum. this is not just about the debate, when you speak to people and voters, what are the other kinds of factors and events that can influence the public�*s opinion on a candidate? it influence the public's opinion on a candidate?— on a candidate? it is a very lona on a candidate? it is a very long campaign _ on a candidate? it is a very long campaign to - on a candidate? it is a very long campaign to influencej on a candidate? it is a very - long campaign to influence the public's opinion on candidates. we had people very concerned about biden's age even before the debate so i think the public is looking at speeches and other opportunities to see how they feel aboutjoe biden's age and that would be a big part of this down the line. there is still another debate, another opportunity to get to know the candidates. this is a
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particularly strange election year. these candidates have both been president before. when we asked people if there is some chance they would vote for another candidate, it is a particularly small group of people this year. but they are paying attention to what the candidates are saying and i think they will be paying attention to ads. it is still early and we are not seeing a lot of people paying a ton of attention to the election so at this early stage, it is hard to know but i think as we get closer and campaigns kick into high gear, that when undecided voters will kick in. it high gear, that when undecided voters will kick in.— voters will kick in. it will be laruel voters will kick in. it will be largely down _ voters will kick in. it will be largely down to _ voters will kick in. it will be largely down to the - voters will kick in. it will be largely down to the few - voters will kick in. it will be l largely down to the few votes in swing states. what are they indicating about the race right now? ., ., ., now? right now we have a ollin: now? right now we have a polling age _ now? right now we have a polling age of— now? right now we have a polling age of swing - now? right now we have a polling age of swing state | now? right now we have a . polling age of swing state and donald trump is winning in five of the six swings states so at this early stage in the election, right now it looks
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electorally pretty good for donald trump.— electorally pretty good for donald trump. good to talk to ou. donald trump. good to talk to you- thank — donald trump. good to talk to you. thank you. _ donald trump. good to talk to you. thank you. thank - donald trump. good to talk to you. thank you. thank you - donald trump. good to talk to you. thank you. thank you forj you. thank you. thank you for havin: you. thank you. thank you for having me- — thursday's cnn presidential debate was not the final opportunity for mr biden and mr trump to appeal to the american people. the republican national convention is coming up in nearly two weeks. mr trump is expected to be confirmed as the gop presidential nominee, and announce his pick for vice president. then, in august, the democratic party will convene for its convention. mr biden is expected to be confirmed as the democratic nominee before the convention. then in september, the two candidates will face off on the debate stage once again, before november's election. that will be sponsored by abc news. after the debate, voters will cast their ballots for president on election day, novemberfifth. thank you for your company. more world news at the top of
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the hour and of course all the latest updates on our website. thank you for your company and i will see you soon. bye for now. hello. the first half of this week brought us heat and humidity quite widely, but over the past few days, we've seen things turning cooler and fresher as well. now through the course of the weekend, fairly settled. a lot of dry weather on the cards, some spells of sunshine on offer, and another warm day in the southeast on saturday before cooler conditions work across the uk again for sunday. so what we've got is this frontal system starting to work its way in from the west, so that's going to bring a bit more cloud to parts of wales, northern england, perhaps the south west of england, southern counties of northern ireland initially too. a few spots of rain if you're underneath this weak weather front here through the central swathe of the uk, either side of that, a little bit more sunshine. northern scotland seeing a bit more cloud, bringing a few showers. not as many as recent days.
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it won't be as windy here, but still fairly breezy. now in the hazy sunshine down towards the south east, temperatures again up to about 25 degrees or so, but a fresher feel away from the south east of england, typically about 12—19 celsius. 0vernight saturday moving into sunday and we've still got this weak weather front. it's really quite slow moving over the next 2a hours or so. eventuallyjust pushing across parts of southeastern england and east anglia as we start sunday morning. could be the odd spot of light rain, and here around about 13—15 celsius. but, again, a fairly fresh feel to the weather to start sunday where we've got those clearer skies further north. so, sunday then, initially quite cloudy, perhaps the odd spot of showery rain in the southeast, that should clear away. and then this cloud in the north just sinks a bit further south. it will be a broken cloud, so there'll be some glimpses of sunshine. also the chance of a few showers, particularly through the spine of england, for instance. temperatures between only about 12—21 celsius, so a few degrees below average really for this time of year. what about the week ahead? well, it looks like we've got a westerly influence to our weather. so although high pressure sits in the atlantic, weather fronts are toppling around the northern side
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of that high pressure and bringing fronts our way at times. so monday, some rain initially for northern ireland, western scotland, just pushing eastwards through the day, some uncertainty about how far south we will see any rainfall, that front tending to gradually fizzle out further south, i think. so southern england, south east england, east anglia in particular, could stay dry, 21 degrees or so for the warmest spots, but we're typically looking at the mid to high teens for most of us on monday. and that theme continues, really, for much of the week ahead. after a warm day in the southeast on saturday, slightly cooler conditions with a mixture of some sunny spells and a bit of rain at times, too.
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