what was different about the olympics? well, the first time that nba players actually got to participate in the olympics, that was different. so now commissioner stern is allowed to pick ten of the best in the world of basketball players. and when i got that phone call that i was one of the guys that he wanted to play, i was screaming and hollering and it was the greatest moment of my life, especially coming after i had retired coming off of hiv. so, personally, i needed this too. and so it was such a great honour to represent my country, the laker organisation, my family. so he says, "i'm glad you're happy, "but there's one catch to it." isaid, "0k, commissioner stern, what is it?"

he said, "you have to talk michaeljordan and larry bird "in the plane." i said, "oh, that's all i have to do to get on the team? !" so i said, "what can i do or say "to make them want to play?" larry was big on his family. so i said, "i'm going to go with that angle on larry bird." so i called larry up and i said, "listen, larry, "this is a chance for our kids to see us playing "in the olympics — "not on the boston celtics, not on the lakers..." for the country. yes. for america. for america, representing our country. he said, "magic, my back is hurting." i said, "larry, you don't have to play 30 minutes a game. "you can just play ten minutes a game. "all i want to do is come down and do a no—look pass to you "and you shoot a three—pointer. "we both going to be

very happy." he said, "all right, i'll play." i said, "good, so i got larry covered." now, the harder one was michaeljordan. so i said, "man, what can i say to michael? "he has everything, he's done everything. "he's already won championships. "he's already played for the olympic team." but i said, "you know what i'll tell him? "we're going to hang out every night and play cards together." and he can play golf all day, come to the game, just score 30 at half—time and go sit down. and guess what? that's what happened. the dream team, there will never be a team like that. every single guy is in the basketball hall of fame. no other team can claim that. and then we went out there and did ourjob and won the gold medal. and we had fun getting to know each other. that was the fun part. we beat everybody by over 42 points a game. arriving in spain with this incredible american aura behind you, at a time when you dominated basketball in a way that you don't, america doesn't so much today,

but back then, you dominated basketball. did it feel special in some way? did it feel different? yes, it felt different because we did dominate, but it felt different because there was... our opponents from other countries — i don't care, australia, you name it, spain — they were... some players were crying because they always wanted to meet us. we were on their wall at home, and now they're actually playing against us. i remember a guy fouled me and hejust started crying, "oh, i can't believe... magic, ifouled you, oh!" and i didn't know how to respond, you know? did you know before you got there how you mattered to other players around the world, that there were players from croatia and africa, and did you understand what you meant to them? no, we didn't know. you don't know until a time like that happens, and then the time that really brought it

all home and together, we came out to go to our first game to get on the bus. there must have been 30, 40, 50,000 people out there lining the streets. and as we went by, they just was cheering. but they were all from other countries, nobody from america. and it was the greatest moment for all of us to say, "wow, we're kind of special. "some people like us!" �*92, america dominated so much. the game has changed a lot, right? you look at the mvp players, the top mvp players in the states at the moment, many of them are from central europe. that's right. could you have done what you did as magicjohnson back then — in the �*80s and �*90s — today, when the game has changed as much as it has? well, you can still play in today's game, yes. i think that you're right because we opened up the game

to the world. so that's why all these guys are playing in the nba today. the dream team is responsible forthat, right? and then a lot of american coaches who went over there to coach all over the world as well, or put on basketball clinics. so we have a lot of players from overseas who are now the best players in the game in the nba. when you look at the sport today, how else is it changing? what other changes are you seeing? and i'm looking at how the women's game is changing. you've got somebody like caitlin clark, this incredible phenomenon... yes. ..who looks like, single—handedly, she has risen women's basketball up to a different level. how is that changing the game? well, i think that, you know, just like larry bird and i changed the men's ncaa tournament forever, and then we changed the nba together forever, caitlin clark changed women's college basketball game forever, she's changing right now the wnba. and she's had an impact already, and she's only played one game so far as we're doing this interview, right?

so let's talk about you. you have two names — magic and earvin. yes. how are they different? magic... ..is extremely competitive. i like to win at everything. i don't like to lose at nothing. and he's... because of that, he's a disciplined man, a perfectionist. he likes to do everything the right way. he's driven. and then earvin is smart. he likes to really be by himself. earvin...likes to be in a quiet room, chilling, and he's a... he loves deal making. so you have two personalities

and two different people. who am i talking to? right now, it's earvin. when you start talking probably revenues and all that, you're talking to earvin, or mrjohnson. mr... i messed up, i was calling you magic. it should be, "mrjohnson, sir." they laugh your dad played basketball too, right? yes, yes. and i hear he was good. he was, he was... they told me he was good, and unfortunately he had to drop out. why? to make money, to drop out of school to help his parents put food on the table. he had to take a job,

and back then, in the south, a lot of times, that's what... that's what you had to do. he grew up in a poorfamily, and so you had to fight for... ..to get money to put food on the table. so he had to go get a job and drop out of school. was that sad for you to realise he never got the chance to do what you've done? of course, and i told him that many times. and also i said, "dad, i'm going to play for you and myself. " and so if you go back in history and look at all my mvps, i dedicated to one person every single time, and that was my father. basketball�*s a sport... i'm not going to pretend for a minute that i know anything about basketball, ok? but i've been told basketball is a sport where stars really matter. yes. what was different about you is that you were a passer. you passed. why? i always first wanted to make my team—mates better and put them in a position to be successful.

mm—hm. but the one story that changed my life was, i was a dominant scorer when i was a little kid. in school? seven, eight years old, nine years old. so the score would probably be 25 to, like, let's say 10 or 15. i would have 23 of the 25 points. and if it was 30 to 20, i would have 28 of the 30 points of my team. and one day, as we're coming out, we won the game... i could hear parents talking about, you know, "that kid", "thatjohnson kid, you know, he's taking every shot, "he's scoring all the points. and also my team—mates responded to their parents — "yeah, i'm mad i didn't score." and that hurt me a lot. that they were sad? yeah, that they were sad that they didn't score. so i told my parents... as we were driving

home, i told them... i started crying because they were disappointed at me, like i was taking all the shots. and so my fatherjust said, "well, what are you going to do? "what are you going to do about it? and i said, "well, i don't know right now, dad, "but by next saturday, i'm going to figure it out." so what i did was i decided, i was taller than most of the kids, too, so when i would get the offensive rebound, when one of my team—mates would shoot, instead of me putting it right back in because i'm up under the basket, i would pass it back out and give them more shots and more opportunities to score. and i kind of liked that feeling. as long as we won! so once we won, i said, "cool." i don't want nobody to mistake something about magicjohnson. i'm about winning. so if that kid was missing, i gave him two shots. if he missed, i'm going to start shooting. how do you handle losing?

oh, i didn't handle losing well. i cried, i was upset, and... it didn't sit well with me, and i'm such a competitor and i think it made me a better basketball player. mm—hm. every time i lost, ijust did a deep dive into the reason why we lost and i wanted to make sure it didn't happen again. i didn't never want that feeling again. and so i carried that to high school, i carried that to college and then to the nba. 1991, you're diagnosed with hiv. you'd just got married, cookie�*s pregnant. how did you feel? that was probably the lowest moment of my life. first receiving the news that i had hiv, iwas... i was already... just, i couldn't believe it. i was in disbelief. you know, you think you make

all the right moves and the right decisions and you put yourself... you were at the top. yes. you were flying. at the top of my game, everything was going well, and then this devastating news comes. walking into the doctor's office and him telling me that i had hiv, ijust... again, i just hit the floor because i couldn't believe it. and then as i sat there for a half hour to an hour, then i had to turn to cookie, because it's notjust about me now. it's also about her, too, being pregnant with our son ej at that time, and what did it mean for her, right?

and the doctor couldn't answer that question. so, the longest ride that i ever had in my life was to go home to tell cookie i had hiv. and when i hit the door, she already knew something was wrong. and so i had to sit her down to explain to her, you know, i had hiv, and that just broke her heart. and that's what tore me up. you know, when you make a mistake, you also hurt the ones who love you and care about you, right? you disappoint them. and so, to see her cry, just... i just... i couldn't take it, you know? it was just so hard for me, because i only want to please her and make her happy. so then, you know, probably about 20 minutes of me holding her and so on, ijust said, "hey, i can understand if you want to leave. "you know, i understand." and she turned to me and just smacked me so hard on my face and said, "we're going to beat this together." and we said a little prayer, and then we had to go

to the doctor the next day for her to get the test. and you're talking about a long time, it seemed like it was a year to get the test results back. and once they came back and she was ok and the baby was ok, you're talking about the weight of the world off your shoulder? oh, i don't know what i would have did if... if she had hiv and my son had hiv, i don't know. i don't know if i'd be sitting here today, you know, because that would have... that would have devastated me emotionally. i probably wouldn't have been stable because everything... you know, here's this woman i met when i was 18 years old and i have loved since i met her. and so ijust... i just couldn't take it if something had to happen to her. so with her being ok now, i can focus back on me beating this and being here for a long time.

there were basketball players who didn't want to play with you. that's right. or against me. oragainst you. because they were afraid. that's right. how... how did you feel at the time about that? how do you feel today about that? i was upset then. angry? yeah. very angry, you know, and so... but i got to give commissioner david stern a lot of credit. when he allowed me to play in the all—star game, that changed people's mind. and they saw that, first, nothing was going to happen to them. they saw me play at a high level. and it not only changed the basketball players�* mind, it changed the world.

and then the dream team took it to another level, right? instead of uncertainty, there was love and respect. and now people got more educated after the dream team. but, yes, was there a heavy burden on my shoulders? of course, because when i would go to the games, you could see people were afraid to shake my hand or hug me like they used to, you know? it was... you could see it, and then i said, "ok." so i had to really, you know, just adjust to that. right. until they got comfortable again, right? so i'm a guy who can adjust. thank god i had that in me. i think i was the right person. i wasjust... i was the right person at the right time, because i will say this to you — i don't think another man could handle this situation. right? being that public, a lot of the sponsors dropped me. yeah. right? so they didn't want me to represent their companies any more. so a lot was going

on at the same time. and so thank god my father built me to be strong and... you were the right person... i was the right person. ..to get infected with hiv? at the time, it was a death sentence. that's what i'm saying. it was the right person, a death sentence. could handle it all, so nothing but god that blessed me and put me in this situation and... and so... and here i am. here i am 32 years later. one of the longest running surviving activists in the field. talking of adapting, congratulations — you've just been named one of only four american athletes who have become billionaires. ooh! from a poor kid growing up, to even think about that is a blessing. you know, i've always wanted to become a businessman after i was done playing.

has your success in business, in a whole kind of range of things, hotels, sports centres, soft drinks — i mean, you've done it all — has it made it easier to make that transition from being defined as one of the world's greatest basketball players to being something else? i always wonder how people who have been so great at something, then kind of redefine themselves when that thing stops being the centre of their life. perfect word, to redefine. i think that... reinvent, redefine... yes. we have the blueprint. i have the blueprint. can everybody do it? no. no, they don't... they're not going to be willing to put in the time that iput in. see, this camera is rolling now. i'm laughing, having a good time, but i'm up at 4.00 in the morning. you're in bed at 8.00 at night. i go to bed at 8.00. everybody know, don't call my house after 8.00 looking for me because i'm

going to be asleep! see, i gravitate toward knowledge. i want to be smarter every single day. so for me to sit here, i'm honoured, because i know you and what you have accomplished. and i like to be around smart people and accomplished people, greatness. i love rubbing elbows with that. there are a lot of young kids going into the olympics, right? some of them are crazy... 16. yes, very young. very young. what's your advice to young athletes who are at the top of their game already in their teens? first, enjoy the moment and live in the moment. love paris? yes, love paris, enjoy it. enjoy being 16. that's the first thing. second, you're earning money. please get you a business manager. please. i didn't know money when i grew up. my parents didn't know money. so when i got to the nba, i had to find people who knew money.

that's why i'm sitting here, right? i did something different from most athletes. i got me a true business manager to teach me. so young people out there, enjoy the olympics, enjoy yourself, but you're going to make money. so make sure somebody is there who has the knowledge to help you understand. they forget this one thing — there's taxes to that money! so if you're making 200,000, 300,000, young people, the irs will be calling. so, enjoy. enjoy yourself, meet people from all over the world, and then don't get ahead of yourself. and i think a lot of young people sometimes, they get burnt out on their sport, or now they think their parents can't help them or tell them nothing because they got this gold medal or they achieved greatness.

no, your parents are there for a reason. they know, everything you're trying to achieve, everything you have to go through, your parents already been through it, so lean more on them as you get success, not go away from them. lean more on them. all right, i'm going to throw it to you. ok, i caught it! i caught it. i saw that! 0h! too high. right there. ok, come on, let's take a step back. 0k. right there. now, remember, your right hand has to be right directly behind the ball. right there. there you go. now... ..there it is! i told you!

you are a pro now, see? see, that's all you had to do. you're a pro now. that's it, that's it! go home. wrap, wrap, wrap. cut! hello. the first half of this week brought us heat and humidity quite widely but over the past few days, we've seen things turning cooler and fresher as well. now, through the course of the weekend, fairly settled. a lot of dry weather on the cards. some spells of sunshine on offer and another warm day in the southeast on saturday before cooler conditions work across the uk again for sunday. so, what we've got is this frontal system starting to work its way in from the west, so that's going

to bring a bit more cloud to parts of wales, northern england, perhaps the southwest of england, southern counties of northern ireland initially, too. a few spots of rain if you're underneath this weak weather front here through the central swathe of the uk. either side of that, a little bit more sunshine. northern scotland seeing a bit more cloud, bringing a few showers — not as many as recent days. it won't be as windy here but still fairly breezy. now, in the hazy sunshine down towards the southeast, temperatures again up to about 25 degrees or so but a fresher feel away from the southeast of england — typically about 12—19 celsius. overnight saturday moving into sunday and we've still got this weak weather front. it's really quite slow—moving over the next 2a hours or so, eventuallyjust pushing across parts of south—eastern england and east anglia as we start sunday morning. could be the odd spot of light rain and here, around about 13—15. but again, a fairly fresh feel to the weather to start sunday where we've got those clearer skies further north. so, sunday, then. initially quite cloudy, perhaps the odd spot of showery rain in the south—east. that should clear away.

and then, this cloud in the north just sinks a bit further south. it will be a broken cloud, so there'll be some glimpses of sunshine. also the chance of a few showers, particularly through the spine of england, for instance. temperatures between only about 12—21 celsius, so a few degrees below average really for this time of year. what about the week ahead? well, it looks like we've got a westerly influence to our weather. so although high pressure sits in the atlantic, weather fronts are toppling around the northern side of that high pressure and bringing fronts our way at times. so monday, some rain initially for northern ireland, western scotland, just pushing eastwards through the day, some uncertainty about how far south we will see any rainfall, that front tending to gradually fizzle out further south, i think. so southern england, south east england, east anglia in particular, could stay dry, 21 degrees or so for the warmest spots, but we're typically looking at the mid to high teens for most of us on monday. and that theme continues, really, for much of the week ahead. after a warm day in the south east on saturday, slightly cooler conditions with

a mixture of some sunny spells and a bit of rain at times, too.

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