here we are. four days to go before you decide who walks through that door on friday. it started in the torrential rain — rishi sunak�*s surprise summer election. his rival keir starmer�*s played it safe to try to stay ahead. but rishi sunak�*s not done. he'll be with us live this morning. fighting for your votes and fighting for hisjob. labour's campaign chief pat mcfadden is here, along with daisy cooper from the lib

dems. another big contest, the football of course. will you have time to watch england— slovakia tonight? henge course. will you have time to watch england- slovakia tonight?- england- slovakia tonight? have it on in the background, _ england- slovakia tonight? have it on in the background, do - england- slovakia tonight? have it on in the background, do e-mailsl on in the background, do e—mails that the same time. figs on in the background, do e-mails that the same time.— that the same time. as a proud scott, that the same time. as a proud scott. who _ that the same time. as a proud scott, who will— that the same time. as a proud scott, who will you _ that the same time. as a proud scott, who will you be - that the same time. as a proud . scott, who will you be supporting? of course i want england to do well. and we'll chat to stephen flynn, the westminster leader of the snp. what's the state of the race? professor sirjohn curtice will give his 60 seconds on sunday. rishi sunak�*s party on 20%, still trails labour on 40% by 20 points — exactly the same as at the start of the election. well, nothing is decided until the night itself. to talk about everything going on... ..the greens' hugh fearnley—whittingstall, chef and campaigner, former conservative minister brandon lewis, and harriet harman, former labour minister.

welcome to you all. morning, morning. welcome to a special 90—minute programme. on the edge of the election. but let's start with the news. no hiding who they are backing now. the sunday telegraph and the mail on sunday both warn of what a labour government might do. the mirror and the observer coming out for labour. no surprise there. the mirror urging its readers to be on the right side of history. the sunday times doesn't give it away on the front, but on the inside, it says it's time for labour. but the sunday people reminds us of that other big contest going on at the moment. they featured the election, keir starmer alongside harry kane on the front page. starting with the panel,

quite a wild campaign, hasn't it? harriet, what do you make of how it has run? a lot of people saying labour have been a bit dull, playing it safe. it labour have been a bit dull, playing it safe. . , , ., , , it safe. it has been a very diverse cam aiun it safe. it has been a very diverse campaign because _ it safe. it has been a very diverse campaign because the _ it safe. it has been a very diverse campaign because the tories - it safe. it has been a very diverse | campaign because the tories have been very negative, all about challenging labour, trying to not talk about their record. one of the most interesting statistics is apparently 90% of the conservatives social media is dedicated to attacking labour and only 10% of their record. on the street, people are thinking about what they have done. howeverthat are thinking about what they have done. however that up they are with the conservative government, unless they feel confident in labour, they would not do that, so keir starmer�*s campaign is about what we will do, be reassuring, and reminding people, if you want change, you have to vote for it. ~ . ., _, if you want change, you have to vote for it. ~ . ., ,, ., ., for it. what have you made of the campaign. _ for it. what have you made of the campaign. hugh? _ for it. what have you made of the campaign, hugh? from _ for it. what have you made of the campaign, hugh? from keir- for it. what have you made of the i campaign, hugh? from keir starmer for it. what have you made of the - campaign, hugh? from keir starmer we have heard a — campaign, hugh? from keir starmer we have heard a lot — campaign, hugh? from keir starmer we have heard a lot more _ campaign, hugh? from keir starmer we have heard a lot more of— campaign, hugh? from keir starmer we have heard a lot more of what _ campaign, hugh? from keir starmer we have heard a lot more of what we - campaign, hugh? from keir starmer we have heard a lot more of what we are i have heard a lot more of what we are not going _ have heard a lot more of what we are not going to — have heard a lot more of what we are not going to do from what we are going _ not going to do from what we are going to —

not going to do from what we are going to do. the tories, almost like they are _ going to do. the tories, almost like they are trying to wrestle a souffle into the _ they are trying to wrestle a souffle into the other in... you they are trying to wrestle a souffle into the other in. . .— into the other in... you know how hard that is- _ into the other in... you know how hard that is. i _ into the other in... you know how hard that is. i cannot _ into the other in... you know how hard that is. i cannot even - into the other in... you know how hard that is. i cannot even get - into the other in... you know how hard that is. i cannot even get to | hard that is. i cannot even get to the oven door— hard that is. i cannot even get to the oven door without _ hard that is. i cannot even get to the oven door without dropping l hard that is. i cannot even get to i the oven door without dropping the souffle _ the oven door without dropping the souffle on — the oven door without dropping the souffle on the floor. probably room for another — souffle on the floor. probably room for another souffle mass, see what happens _ for another souffle mass, see what happens. that is why i have enjoyed being _ happens. that is why i have enjoyed being out— happens. that is why i have enjoyed being out with the green party who have a _ being out with the green party who have a positive campaign and have the gumption to say, to reform our front— the gumption to say, to reform our front line _ the gumption to say, to reform our front line services, we have to pay for it. _ front line services, we have to pay for it. and — front line services, we have to pay for it, and we are still prepared to talk about— for it, and we are still prepared to talk about a — for it, and we are still prepared to talk about a more equal society, which _ talk about a more equal society, which is — talk about a more equal society, which is an— talk about a more equal society, which is an idea labour seems to have _ which is an idea labour seems to have given — which is an idea labour seems to have given up on. we which is an idea labour seems to have given up on.— which is an idea labour seems to have given up on. we will talk about that later on- _ have given up on. we will talk about that later on. brandon _ have given up on. we will talk about that later on. brandon lewis, - have given up on. we will talk about that later on. brandon lewis, a - that later on. brandon lewis, a minister with successive tory governments, the issue of the record, how hard do you think it has been for rishi sunak to escape the fact he is leading a government for 14 fact he is leading a government for ia years and a lot of people would say the natural pendulum swing has been against him all the way through? been against him all the way throu~h? �* ., been against him all the way throu~h? . , ., been against him all the way throu~h? . . , ., through? always a view there is a cle to through? always a view there is a cycle to politics — through? always a view there is a cycle to politics and _ through? always a view there is a cycle to politics and there - through? always a view there is a cycle to politics and there is - through? always a view there is a cycle to politics and there is a - cycle to politics and there is a reason — cycle to politics and there is a reason no _ cycle to politics and there is a reason no party— cycle to politics and there is a reason no party has _ cycle to politics and there is a reason no party has never- cycle to politics and there is al

reason no party has never won another— reason no party has never won another election— reason no party has never won another election after- reason no party has never won another election after that - reason no party has never won. another election after that period of time — another election after that period oftinre there _ another election after that period of time. there are _ another election after that period of time. there are a _ another election after that period of time. there are a few- another election after that period of time. there are a few things. i of time. there are a few things. since _ of time. there are a few things. since 2019. _ of time. there are a few things. since 2019, challenges - of time. there are a few things. since 2019, challenges with - of time. there are a few things. i since 2019, challenges with covid, ukraine _ since 2019, challenges with covid, ukraine i— since 2019, challenges with covid, ukraine. i would _ since 2019, challenges with covid, ukraine. i would say, _ since 2019, challenges with covid, ukraine. i would say, two - since 2019, challenges with covid, ukraine. i would say, two things. ukraine. i would say, two things that struck— ukraine. i would say, two things that struck me, _ ukraine. i would say, two things that struck me, we _ ukraine. i would say, two things that struck me, we have - ukraine. i would say, two things that struck me, we have been. that struck me, we have been distracted _ that struck me, we have been distracted by— that struck me, we have been distracted by nigel— that struck me, we have been distracted by nigel farage's. distracted by nigel farage's comments _ distracted by nigel farage's comments on _ distracted by nigel farage's comments on putin, - distracted by nigel farage's comments on putin, taking| distracted by nigel farage's. comments on putin, taking air distracted by nigel farage's- comments on putin, taking air out of the policies — comments on putin, taking air out of the policies we — comments on putin, taking air out of the policies we have _ comments on putin, taking air out of the policies we have not— comments on putin, taking air out of the policies we have not had - comments on putin, taking air out of the policies we have not had too- the policies we have not had too much from — the policies we have not had too much from keir— the policies we have not had too much from keir starmer. - the policies we have not had too much from keir starmer. sociall the policies we have not had too- much from keir starmer. social media has played _ much from keir starmer. social media has played in — much from keir starmer. social media has played in a — much from keir starmer. social media has played in a way— much from keir starmer. social media has played in a way we _ much from keir starmer. social media has played in a way we have _ much from keir starmer. social media has played in a way we have not - much from keir starmer. social media has played in a way we have not seenl has played in a way we have not seen any elections — has played in a way we have not seen any elections before, _ has played in a way we have not seen any elections before, the _ has played in a way we have not seen any elections before, the way- has played in a way we have not seen any elections before, the way social i any elections before, the way social media _ any elections before, the way social media has— any elections before, the way social media has spread _ any elections before, the way social media has spread messages, - any elections before, the way social media has spread messages, both i media has spread messages, both overnight. — media has spread messages, both overnight. ones— media has spread messages, both overnight, ones that _ media has spread messages, both overnight, ones that are _ media has spread messages, both overnight, ones that are not - overnight, ones that are not factual. _ overnight, ones that are not factual, once _ overnight, ones that are not factual, once i— overnight, ones that are not factual, once i warned - overnight, ones that are not| factual, once i warned about overnight, ones that are not - factual, once i warned about before, we have _ factual, once i warned about before, we have to _ factual, once i warned about before, we have to he — factual, once i warned about before, we have to be careful, _ factual, once i warned about before, we have to be careful, and _ factual, once i warned about before, l we have to be careful, and messages from the _ we have to be careful, and messages from the partym _ we have to be careful, and messages from the party... 00— we have to be careful, and messages from the party---_ from the party... do you feel, harriet. _ from the party... do you feel, harriet. as — from the party... do you feel, harriet, as a _ from the party... do you feel, harriet, as a politician - from the party... do you feel, harriet, as a politician with i from the party... do you feel, i harriet, as a politician with many years of experience, the big challenges for the country have been addressed bthe campaign has been narrow? ., , ., , , ., narrow? people on the streets on the doorstep of — narrow? people on the streets on the doorstep of a — narrow? people on the streets on the doorstep of a no _ narrow? people on the streets on the doorstep of a no doubt _ narrow? people on the streets on the doorstep of a no doubt we _ narrow? people on the streets on the doorstep of a no doubt we need - narrow? people on the streets on the doorstep of a no doubt we need to i doorstep of a no doubt we need to rebuild the economy and public services and trust and confidence in

democracy. they appreciate keir starmer is saying, we will get to work right away, if you vote labour on thursday, we will start work on friday. but it will take a while to sort everything out. aha, friday. but it will take a while to sort everything out.— sort everything out. a lot of criticism — sort everything out. a lot of criticism full _ sort everything out. a lot of criticism full labour - sort everything out. a lot of criticism full labour about l sort everything out. a lot of. criticism full labour about not being explicit. do you feel, brandon, the huge things we face, ai, climate change, generational challenges, they haven't been part of the campaign? i challenges, they haven't been part of the campaign?— challenges, they haven't been part of the campaign? i would like to see keir starmer — of the campaign? i would like to see keir starmer on _ of the campaign? i would like to see keir starmer on the _ of the campaign? i would like to see keir starmer on the show _ of the campaign? i would like to see keir starmer on the show today i keir starmer on the show today explaining _ keir starmer on the show today explaining what he will- keir starmer on the show today explaining what he will do. i keir starmer on the show today. explaining what he will do. there keir starmer on the show today- explaining what he will do. there is a gap _ explaining what he will do. there is a gap in _ explaining what he will do. there is a gap in understanding _ explaining what he will do. there is a gap in understanding about- explaining what he will do. there is a gap in understanding about whatl a gap in understanding about what lahour— a gap in understanding about what labour will— a gap in understanding about what labour will actually _ a gap in understanding about what labour will actually do _ a gap in understanding about what labour will actually do and - a gap in understanding about what labour will actually do and how. a gap in understanding about what. labour will actually do and how they will pay _ labour will actually do and how they will pay for — labour will actually do and how they will pay for it — labour will actually do and how they will pay for it and _ labour will actually do and how they will pay for it and it _ labour will actually do and how they will pay for it and it is _ labour will actually do and how they will pay for it and it is a _ labour will actually do and how they will pay for it and it is a real- will pay for it and it is a real issue — will pay for it and it is a real issue in— will pay for it and it is a real issue in the _ will pay for it and it is a real issue in the days _ will pay for it and it is a real issue in the days ahead. i will pay for it and it is a realj issue in the days ahead. let will pay for it and it is a real issue in the days ahead. let us get on with the — issue in the days ahead. let us get on with the first _ issue in the days ahead. let us get on with the first interview- issue in the days ahead. let us get on with the first interview of - issue in the days ahead. let us get on with the first interview of the i on with the first interview of the day. we are going to try to talk today about some of the subjects that perhaps haven't been talked about as much as you'd expect — security, brexit. the prime minister will be here soon. we of course also invited keir starmer to come today too, but he declined.

his campaign chief, pat mcfadden, will be with us and a couple of minutes after a long and busy few weeks. that opportunity for change is what this election is about. this is an election which is all about change. change, change. this feeling that, you know, the adults are in charge. quite nice, actually. theyjust want me excluded from parliament. are you sticking to the line that no decision has been taken? - she's free to go forward as a labour candidate. labour will put up your taxes we will not raise income tax. we certainly won't be i increasing income tax... we will not raise national insurance. ..or national insurance. that is a manifesto commitment. your taxes are going up if he is in charge. when you said jeremy corbyn would make a good prime i minister, did you mean it? i didn't think we were in a position to win that election. my dad worked in a factory. my dad worked in a factory, he was a toolmaker. my dad was a toolmaker. he worked in a factory. it's true. are you going to win? we're certainly not complacent. we take nothing for granted. well, you've nailed that

script, haven't you? just a glimpse of some of the campaign events, pat mcfadden, welcome to you this sunday morning. alongside a few laughs on the campaign trail, whoever wins next week will have to confront extremely serious issues and if keir starmer wins, he will be on a plane to a nato summit in days in washington and hosting a huge summit of european leaders here in the uk. not so long ago keir starmer said national security is the most important issue of our times. why has he not committed to spending 2.5% of gdp on defence? he has he not committed to spending 2.596 of gdp on defence?- has he not committed to spending 2.596 of gdp on defence? he has and he was in fact — 2.596 of gdp on defence? he has and he was in fact saying _ 2.596 of gdp on defence? he has and he was in fact saying that _ 2.596 of gdp on defence? he has and he was in fact saying that before i he was in fact saying that before rishi sunak dead. two things i would say, the last time defence spending was up 2.5% gdp was one labour was in power —— before rishi sunak did. they have had ia years to reach that

figure and have never done so. now they say they want to do it. we actually said before they said that we wanted to do it. another point about this too which is like everything we want to show financial responsibility about this and make sure we can pay for it. i think one of the features of this campaign, which we have had some criticism for from some quarters, is showing a significantly greater degree of financial responsibility than the conservatives. the financial responsibility than the conservatives.— conservatives. the point about defence spending, _ conservatives. the point about defence spending, you - conservatives. the point about defence spending, you have i conservatives. the point about| defence spending, you have not committed to a date of when you would spend that money. anyone in westminster, anyone in whitehall, they would tell you and tell the viewers this morning without a date, it is not a meaningful commitment. why has keir starmer not given an explicit commitment with a date to spend 2.5% of the size of the economy of gdp on defence? if he really believes national security is his first priority, the most important thing, why has he not make

a political choice to put it at the top of the list? aha, a political choice to put it at the top of the list?— top of the list? a date with a ro er top of the list? a date with a proper plan _ top of the list? a date with a proper plan to _ top of the list? a date with a proper plan to pay _ top of the list? a date with a proper plan to pay for- top of the list? a date with a proper plan to pay for it i top of the list? a date with a proper plan to pay for it is i top of the list? a date with a l proper plan to pay for it is also not a meaningful commitment. i'm afraid when i look at the conservative manifesto, i see a desperate wish list wish list of fundament... this desperate wish list wish list of fundament. . .— desperate wish list wish list of fundament. .. . , , ., ., fundament. .. as everyone in that chair... fundament. .. as everyone in that chair--- pat— fundament. .. as everyone in that chair... pat mcfadden, _ fundament. .. as everyone in that chair... pat mcfadden, as - fundament. .. as everyone in that i chair... pat mcfadden, as everyone in that chair in the last few weeks... as everyone in the chair last week, our viewers have told us very clearly, they want politicians here to stick to talking about their own plans and policies and i am asking you why keir starmer has made the political choice not to make this commitment? you have made a commitment to some things, but not that this particular target. why? he: wants to show for everything he commits to exactly how it will be paid for. after the experience we had just a couple of years ago, we see the cost of making commitments when you cannot do that and the cost

is not paid by politicians, it is not paid in interviews like this, the cost is paid by people in their own family finances, so we want to be responsible... he own family finances, so we want to be responsible. . .— be responsible... he has made a commitment _ be responsible... he has made a commitment to _ be responsible... he has made a commitment to spend _ be responsible... he has made a commitment to spend money i be responsible... he has made a commitment to spend money on j be responsible... he has made a i commitment to spend money on other things, interesting he has chosen not to make a commitment to increasing defence spending even though when he says national security is the most important issue of our times. a big yearfor elections, if keir starmer wins of course i know he was said he would want to work with whoever is in the white house, all of our viewers will have seen president biden's performance in the debate in the us the other night, are you concerned forjoe biden? should he step aside? a tough night for the democrats the other night, but i have got one election to worry about and i am focused on that and whoever wins the american election in november, the relationship between britain and the united states will be as strong as

it has ever been and it is for the american people to decide who they elect. . . ., , ., ., elect. there are elections going on in so many — elect. there are elections going on in so many places, _ elect. there are elections going on in so many places, voting - elect. there are elections going on in so many places, voting in i elect. there are elections going on | in so many places, voting in france today, concern among some in france marine le pen's party may when, shadow shadow foreign secretary has called her a fascist, why should people believe a potential labour government could work well with a french government? you government could work well with a french government?— government could work well with a french government? you have to work with whoever — french government? you have to work with whoever another _ french government? you have to work with whoever another country - french government? you have to work with whoever another country are i with whoever another country are lax, basic vote and diplomacy. i have to focus on the selection and whoever becomes prime minister as a result of our election will have to work with whoever the french elect, the us elects, this is true around the us elects, this is true around the world. , the us elects, this is true around the world-— the us elects, this is true around the world. , ,, , ., the world. these issues matter so much because _ the world. these issues matter so much because labour's— the world. these issues matter so much because labour's political. much because labour's political fortunes will be affected so much by what happens in other countries, we all have felt that because of the war in ukraine that resulted in an energy shock. labour's plan is to

create this organisation called gb energy, a lot of viewers have said, what is it, really? would it actually be a company producing energy that ends up being pumped into people's homes?— energy that ends up being pumped into people's homes? publicly owned com an into people's homes? publicly owned company designed — into people's homes? publicly owned company designed to _ into people's homes? publicly owned company designed to drive _ into people's homes? publicly owned company designed to drive the i company designed to drive the investment and some new technologies we will need in the coming years, in solar, wind, hydrogen and so on, and in doing so, the government stepping up in doing so, the government stepping up to the plate, making sure the private sector does too. because one of the things that has clouded this debate and maybe made it less clear thanit debate and maybe made it less clear than it might be is all around the world countries trying to meet the transition, the vast majority of what is spent will be spent by the private sector. but we believe there is a real role for a publicly owned company to help to make a market for some of these new technologies in a way that the private sector is holding back from at the moment.

when you do that, you get the benefit of releasing the private sector investment too. but benefit of releasing the private sector investment too. but one of the reasons _ sector investment too. but one of the reasons it _ sector investment too. but one of the reasons it has _ sector investment too. but one of the reasons it has been _ sector investment too. but one of the reasons it has been confusing | sector investment too. but one of i the reasons it has been confusing as representatives from the labour party has a different things from time to time. can you be really clear, will it be a company producing energy that will be pumped into people's homes? will it be an investment vehicle, essentially writing checks to encourage other companies to do the same? it will companies to do the same? it will not sit alongside _ companies to do the same? it will not sit alongside and _ companies to do the same? it will not sit alongside and power, i companies to do the same? it will not sit alongside and power, this | companies to do the same? it ll not sit alongside and power, this is a different thing. a publicly owned company that is investing in making sure we have the jobs of the future and these new technologies, that releases the private sector, so that britain plays a leading role in the transition. the reason it has had quite a lot of support, the reason patrick vallance for example has backedit patrick vallance for example has backed it so strongly after his experience with what we had to do in covid, it is because this transition is coming anyway. every country has a choice. either you step up to the

plate and try to be a leader in it. all you are just plate and try to be a leader in it. all you arejust going plate and try to be a leader in it. all you are just going to end plate and try to be a leader in it. all you arejust going to end up buying the technology and the kit and buying the advances from other countries. britain with its great tradition of creativity and innovation, we want to be in the lead of that change, notjust a customer for it. but if it is not going to produce its own cheap energy that will go directly into customers' holmes, simon here is wondering, when when i start saving £300. and how? in the start saving £300. and how? in the lona term start saving £300. and how? in the long term if — start saving £300. and how? in the long term if we _ start saving £300. and how? in the long term if we have _ start saving £300. and how? in the long term if we have renewables, i long term if we have renewables, they are cheaper than relying on oil and gas, and this company will drive the transition to renewables, and renewables are cheaper than fossil fuels. and if we stand back from this, we are at the mercy of the international... i this, we are at the mercy of the international. . .— this, we are at the mercy of the international... i don't want you to ex-end international... i don't want you to expend that- _ international... i don't want you to expend that- l _ international... i don't want you to expend that. i want _ international... i don't want you to expend that. i want you _ international... i don't want you to expend that. i want you to - international... i don't want you to expend that. i want you to explain| expend that. i want you to explain in detail how you will save people £300 a year, that is a big promise. if your energy is created by

renewables, the price that they cost compared to oil and gas and international markets, that is a cheaper way to do it. it international markets, that is a cheaper way to do it.— international markets, that is a cheaper way to do it. it might be cheaper- -- _ cheaper way to do it. it might be cheaper... hang _ cheaper way to do it. it might be cheaper... hang on... _ cheaper way to do it. it might be cheaper... hang on... that- cheaper way to do it. it might be cheaper... hang on... that is. cheaper way to do it. it might be i cheaper... hang on... that is better for energy — cheaper... hang on... that is better for energy security _ cheaper... hang on... that is better for energy security and _ cheaper... hang on... that is better for energy security and better i cheaper... hang on... that is better for energy security and better for i for energy security and better for people. for energy security and better for --eole. ~ , ., for energy security and better for ..eole, . for energy security and better for --eole. ~ ., people. when you look at the workings. _ people. when you look at the workings. you _ people. when you look at the workings, you have _ people. when you look at the workings, you have been i people. when you look at the i workings, you have been repeatedly claiming he will say people £300 a year. based on an estimate calculator from last summer, year. based on an estimate calculatorfrom last summer, when energy was already cheaper, and the estimate is based on an aspiration of almost decarbonising the economy by 2030. it is not even based on labour�*s plans, so unless you can explain otherwise, we should point out that this £300 is an estimate based on figures that are out of date and produced by a think tank, not even your own workings. this is the -a off not even your own workings. this is the payoff that _ not even your own workings. this is the payoff that people _ not even your own workings. this is the payoff that people can - not even your own workings. this is the payoff that people can get i not even your own workings. this is the payoff that people can get from j the payoff that people can get from producing our energy by renewables rather than relying on oil and gas, and it's based on the average sum that a household pays for energy in the current mix compared to what we could be doing in the future. you

mention 2030, we want to be ambitious. mention 2030, we want to be ambitious-— mention 2030, we want to be ambitious. . , ., ., ., ., ambitious. are you guaranteeing to --eole ambitious. are you guaranteeing to people they — ambitious. are you guaranteeing to people they will — ambitious. are you guaranteeing to people they will save _ ambitious. are you guaranteeing to people they will save £300? it i people they will save £300? it doesn't look like you can give that guarantee. doesn't look like you can give that auarantee. . , ., doesn't look like you can give that auarantee. . , . , ., doesn't look like you can give that auarantee. . , ., guarantee. that is an estimate based on current prices. _ guarantee. that is an estimate based on current prices. an _ guarantee. that is an estimate based on current prices. an estimate. i guarantee. that is an estimate based on current prices. an estimate. so i on current prices. an estimate. so it is an estimate _ on current prices. an estimate. so it is an estimate of _ on current prices. an estimate. so it is an estimate of what _ on current prices. an estimate. so it is an estimate of what you i on current prices. an estimate. so it is an estimate of what you hope| it is an estimate of what you hope we might get to in six years? that doesn't sound like something you should be putting on over a leaflet on the poster and making a solid promise to people in the manifesto that they will have coming off their monthly budget. this that they will have coming off their monthly budget.— that they will have coming off their monthly budget. this is a good way to illustrate — monthly budget. this is a good way to illustrate the _ monthly budget. this is a good way to illustrate the benefit _ monthly budget. this is a good way to illustrate the benefit of - to illustrate the benefit of transitioning to renewable energy, because if we don't do that, we are left as we saw a couple of years ago at the mercy of international oil and gas prices. we are also at the mercy of who controls those fossil fuels, and we saw the kind of energy blackmail that vladimir putin attempted to put on europe, and to release ourselves from that is both better for energy security and better for energy security and better for energy security and better for household bills. brexit

has been a _ better for household bills. brexit has been a big — better for household bills. brexit has been a big issue _ better for household bills. brexit has been a big issue for - better for household bills. brexit has been a big issue for your- better for household bills. brexit i has been a big issue for your party. many people including you were very unhappy about it. keir starmer talks quite vaguely of wanting to have a better relationship with the eu and a better trading relationship in the eu. can you tell us of anyone in the european union who has told the labour party that you can get a better deal without having to give quite a lot back?— better deal without having to give quite a lot back? these things are alwa s a quite a lot back? these things are always a negotiation. _ quite a lot back? these things are always a negotiation. i _ quite a lot back? these things are always a negotiation. i think- quite a lot back? these things are always a negotiation. i think we i quite a lot back? these things are i always a negotiation. i think we can do better than where we are at the moment. but do better than where we are at the moment. �* ., ., , ., do better than where we are at the moment. �* ., ., ,, , ., moment. but what do you base that on? it is one — moment. but what do you base that on? it is one thing _ moment. but what do you base that on? it is one thing to _ moment. but what do you base that on? it is one thing to say _ moment. but what do you base that on? it is one thing to say of - moment. but what do you base that on? it is one thing to say of course l on? it is one thing to say of course you would like to have a better relationship, but there is a strong feeling, and plenty of people on the other side of the channel would say this, we are not going to give any potential new uk government anything new, any shiny new presence or any better deal unless we get something in return. and that may well mean a new deal on migrants, possibly getting involved in some kind of return, or bringing back some form of freedom of movement. so i ask you

again, has anybody on the eu side indicated to labour there is a better deal on offer without giving something back in return? we better deal on offer without giving something back in return?- better deal on offer without giving something back in return? we are not auoin back something back in return? we are not going back into _ something back in return? we are not going back into free _ something back in return? we are not going back into free movement, - something back in return? we are not going back into free movement, we i going back into free movement, we are not going to rerun that argument. these things are a negotiation, but every country negotiates in its own interests, and if we enter a discussion like that, and we thought it wasn't in our own interests, then we wouldn't do it. but i think the point is to try. the point is to say, can we do better than we are doing at present, and deal with some of these barriers to trade that are affecting so many of our businesses? i think it is worth the effort, but of course at the end of the day, if we were in a negotiation where we thought the end product wasn't going to be in the national interest, we wouldn't do it. , ., national interest, we wouldn't do it. so you can't guarantee that ou'll it. so you can't guarantee that you'll get _ it. so you can't guarantee that you'll get a — it. so you can't guarantee that you'll get a better— it. so you can't guarantee that you'll get a better deal. - it. so you can't guarantee that you'll get a better deal. like l it. so you can't guarantee that l you'll get a better deal. like the £300, that is an estimate, an aspiration, not something you can guarantee to any of our viewers. it guarantee to any of our viewers. it is a negotiation, of course it is.

and in terms of that deal, would you rule out ever putting freedom of movement up as part of a negotiation?— movement up as part of a neuotiation? ~ . ., ., . ~ negotiation? we are not going back to freedom of _ negotiation? we are not going back to freedom of movement. - to freedom of movement. categorically, even some agreement for young people to move around, study abroad? keir for young people to move around, study abroad?— for young people to move around, stud abroad? . , , . . ., study abroad? keir has been clear on this. we study abroad? keir has been clear on this- we don't _ study abroad? keir has been clear on this. we don't want _ study abroad? keir has been clear on this. we don't want to _ study abroad? keir has been clear on this. we don't want to rerun - study abroad? keir has been clear on this. we don't want to rerun the - this. we don't want to rerun the brexit argument. there will be no return to free movement. find brexit argument. there will be no return to free movement.- brexit argument. there will be no return to free movement. and if as keir starmer _ return to free movement. and if as keir starmer often _ return to free movement. and if as keir starmer often talks _ return to free movement. and if as keir starmer often talks about - keir starmer often talks about labour manages to win and introduces what he terms as a decade of renewal, would you rule out some kind of big institutional change, perhaps going back into the customs union, perhaps even discussing going back into the eu in a second labour term? i back into the eu in a second labour term? ., ~' back into the eu in a second labour term? ., ~ ., . , term? i would like to get a first labour term. — term? i would like to get a first labour term, laura, _ term? i would like to get a first labour term, laura, and - term? i would like to get a first labour term, laura, and when| term? i would like to get a first| labour term, laura, and when it comes to the future, i think the leadership task for anybody who wins on thursday is to make the best possible future that the uk can outside the eu. that is the

leadership task. we are not going to rerun the argument. find leadership task. we are not going to rerun the argument.— rerun the argument. and finally, pat mcfadden, rerun the argument. and finally, pat mcfadden. we _ rerun the argument. and finally, pat mcfadden, we have _ rerun the argument. and finally, pat mcfadden, we have had _ rerun the argument. and finally, pat mcfadden, we have had a _ rerun the argument. and finally, pat mcfadden, we have had a lot - rerun the argument. and finally, pat mcfadden, we have had a lot of- mcfadden, we have had a lot of politicians showing off during this campaign, that is what campaigns are about. politicians are always very welcome to try to show off. but we want to ask everyone in this morning. what is a mistake you have made? its morning. what is a mistake you have made? �* , . ~ morning. what is a mistake you have made? �* , . ,, ., morning. what is a mistake you have made? ~ , . ~ ., ., made? a mistake i have made in the camaiun? made? a mistake i have made in the campaign? i'm _ made? a mistake i have made in the campaign? i'm not— made? a mistake i have made in the campaign? i'm not sure. _ made? a mistake i have made in the campaign? i'm not sure. i've - made? a mistake i have made in the campaign? i'm not sure. i've spent l campaign? i'm not sure. i've spent most of the campaign in labour party headquarters in lots of meetings, so i have not been taking the ed davey risk of the water or falling off a kayak or whatever it was he was in. i've probably had a more sheltered campaign than people who have been out and about in the country. [30 campaign than people who have been out and about in the country.- out and about in the country. do you think labour— out and about in the country. do you think labour has _ out and about in the country. do you think labour has made _ out and about in the country. do you think labour has made any - out and about in the country. do you think labour has made any mistakesi think labour has made any mistakes in the campaign? i think labour has made any mistakes in the campaign?— think labour has made any mistakes in the campaign? i think we have run a aood in the campaign? i think we have run a good campaign- — in the campaign? i think we have run a good campaign. i'm _ in the campaign? i think we have run a good campaign. i'm proud - in the campaign? i think we have run a good campaign. i'm proud of- in the campaign? i think we have run a good campaign. i'm proud of the i a good campaign. i'm proud of the campaign we have run. i think we've put forward real and meaningful change and done it with an eye on responsibility because of the legacy that we are going to get after iii years of the tories. but change will only come if people vote for it on thursday. 50 only come if people vote for it on thursda . , ., only come if people vote for it on thursda . i. �* ~ only come if people vote for it on thursda . �* ~ ., ., , thursday. so you can't think of any mistakes, thursday. so you can't think of any mistakes. or— thursday. so you can't think of any mistakes, or none _

thursday. so you can't think of any mistakes, or none you _ thursday. so you can't think of any mistakes, or none you are - thursday. so you can't think of any mistakes, or none you are willing i thursday. so you can't think of any l mistakes, or none you are willing to tell us about? i’m mistakes, or none you are willing to tell us about?— tell us about? i'm proud of what we've done- _ tell us about? i'm proud of what we've done. pat _ tell us about? i'm proud of what we've done. pat mcfadden, - tell us about? i'm proud of what - we've done. pat mcfadden, campaign chief, we've done. pat mcfadden, campaign chief. thank — we've done. pat mcfadden, campaign chief. thank you _ we've done. pat mcfadden, campaign chief, thank you for _ we've done. pat mcfadden, campaign chief, thank you forjoining _ we've done. pat mcfadden, campaign chief, thank you forjoining us - we've done. pat mcfadden, campaign chief, thank you forjoining us on - chief, thank you forjoining us on our last sunday of the election campaign. let's go back over to our panel, harriet harman, brandon lewis and hugh fearnley—whittingstall are all with us now. harriet, what did you make of what pat has to say? when it comes to gb energy or the relationship with the eu, there are points of detail that labour is not willing to give. the big picture about gb energy is there are three things, decarbonisation, bills and energy independence, and we need to have all three. gb energy is the government stepping up what we hope will be a new labour government, stepping up. sol will be a new labour government, stepping up. so i think there is that detail. i know you might quote polls and people e—mailing and saying they don't know what the big picture is, but i think the bones of it very much are, i can sympathise with pat being asked what he is going to do about america, what is he going to do about the second term, and he is focused on this

term. �* ., ., ., i. ., ,, term, and he is focused on this term. �* ., ., ., .«r ., term. brandon, what did you make of what ou term. brandon, what did you make of what you heard? _ term. brandon, what did you make of what you heard? i _ term. brandon, what did you make of what you heard? ithink— term. brandon, what did you make of what you heard? i think it _ term. brandon, what did you make of what you heard? i think it backs - term. brandon, what did you make of what you heard? i think it backs up i what you heard? i think it backs up what you heard? i think it backs up what i said — what you heard? i think it backs up what i said earlier, _ what you heard? i think it backs up what i said earlier, not _ what you heard? i think it backs up what i said earlier, not knowing - what you heard? i think it backs up| what i said earlier, not knowing any more _ what i said earlier, not knowing any more about— what i said earlier, not knowing any more about what labour are going to do than _ more about what labour are going to do than we _ more about what labour are going to do than we did when we started. pat couldn't_ do than we did when we started. pat couldn't even answer the question about— couldn't even answer the question about energy costs. i come from great _ about energy costs. i come from great yarmouth, and great yarmouth has a _ great yarmouth, and great yarmouth has a big _ great yarmouth, and great yarmouth has a big interest in energy, and the transformation in the last ten years— the transformation in the last ten years thanks to what the conservative government has done in our local— conservative government has done in our local conservative council in supporting offshore energy, particularly wind and great yarmouth, there is a big opportunity there. _ yarmouth, there is a big opportunity there. but— yarmouth, there is a big opportunity there, but we have to be clear about doing _ there, but we have to be clear about doing it _ there, but we have to be clear about doing it in _ there, but we have to be clear about doing it in a — there, but we have to be clear about doing it in a way that works for consumers _ doing it in a way that works for consumers as well. but doing it in a way that works for consumers as well.— doing it in a way that works for consumers as well. but we have had an ener: consumers as well. but we have had an energy boss _ consumers as well. but we have had an energy boss sitting _ consumers as well. but we have had an energy boss sitting in _ consumers as well. but we have had an energy boss sitting in the - consumers as well. but we have had an energy boss sitting in the studio l an energy boss sitting in the studio saying that it was taking seven years to get planning, he has money ready to go but the decisions the government has taken or not taken on helping people get things going have let him down. remember him sitting in that seat saying it. i’m let him down. remember him sitting in that seat saying it.— in that seat saying it. i'm sure the prime minister _ in that seat saying it. i'm sure the prime minister rishi _ in that seat saying it. i'm sure the prime minister rishi sunak - in that seat saying it. i'm sure the prime minister rishi sunak will. in that seat saying it. i'm sure the | prime minister rishi sunak will talk about— prime minister rishi sunak will talk about this — prime minister rishi sunak will talk about this if you ask in today. he is trying — about this if you ask in today. he is trying to— about this if you ask in today. he is trying to get a net zero in a way that works — is trying to get a net zero in a way that works for consumers. we don't penalise _ that works for consumers. we don't penalise people, which makes people

io penalise people, which makes people go against _ penalise people, which makes people go against what we are trying to do. we have _ go against what we are trying to do. we have to — go against what we are trying to do. we have to take people with us and work with— we have to take people with us and work with consumers and our residents, _ work with consumers and our residents, and i think that is why what _ residents, and i think that is why what rishi — residents, and i think that is why what rishi has done is good for this _ what rishi has done is good for this. whoever is in government after thursday. _ this. whoever is in government after thursday. i— this. whoever is in government after thursday, i think they should do this both — thursday, i think they should do this both the housing and for energy and infrastructure.— and infrastructure. hugh, what did ou and infrastructure. hugh, what did you think? — and infrastructure. hugh, what did you think? i'm _ and infrastructure. hugh, what did you think? i'm interested - and infrastructure. hugh, what did you think? i'm interested in - and infrastructure. hugh, what did you think? i'm interested in gb . you think? i'm interested in gb ener: , you think? i'm interested in gb energy. but _ you think? i'm interested in gb energy. but it _ you think? i'm interested in gb energy, but it feels _ you think? i'm interested in gb energy, but it feels really - you think? i'm interested in gb energy, but it feels really that| energy, but it feels really that labour — energy, but it feels really that labour is _ energy, but it feels really that labour is not _ energy, but it feels really that labour is not going _ energy, but it feels really that labour is not going fast- energy, but it feels really that. labour is not going fast enough energy, but it feels really that - labour is not going fast enough or bil labour is not going fast enough or big enough— labour is not going fast enough or big enough on— labour is not going fast enough or big enough on a _ labour is not going fast enough or big enough on a really— labour is not going fast enough or big enough on a really urgent - big enough on a really urgent transition _ big enough on a really urgent transition.— big enough on a really urgent transition. , ,, , . transition. they say they will have completely _ transition. they say they will have completely clean _ transition. they say they will have completely clean energy - transition. they say they will have completely clean energy by - transition. they say they will have i completely clean energy by 2030, transition. they say they will have - completely clean energy by 2030, and a lot of experts say, that is a stretch. hf a lot of experts say, that is a stretch. , ., . . , stretch. if you are really committed to decarbonising _ stretch. if you are really committed to decarbonising the _ stretch. if you are really committed to decarbonising the economy, - stretch. if you are really committed to decarbonising the economy, you| to decarbonising the economy, you would _ to decarbonising the economy, you would be _ to decarbonising the economy, you would be cancelling _ to decarbonising the economy, you would be cancelling licenses- to decarbonising the economy, you would be cancelling licenses for. to decarbonising the economy, you. would be cancelling licenses for new oil fields _ would be cancelling licenses for new oilfields i_ would be cancelling licenses for new oil fields. ithink— would be cancelling licenses for new oil fields. i think that _ would be cancelling licenses for new oil fields. i think that is _ would be cancelling licenses for new oil fields. i think that is pretty- oil fields. i think that is pretty fundamental. _ oil fields. i think that is pretty fundamental. 0n— oil fields. i think that is pretty fundamental. 0n the - oil fields. i think that is pretty fundamental. 0n the point- oil fields. i think that is pretty. fundamental. 0n the point that brandon— fundamental. 0n the point that brandon makes— fundamental. 0n the point that brandon makes that _ fundamental. 0n the point that brandon makes that rishi - fundamental. 0n the point that brandon makes that rishi is- fundamental. 0n the point that i brandon makes that rishi is doing the right— brandon makes that rishi is doing the right thing. _ brandon makes that rishi is doing the right thing, he _ brandon makes that rishi is doing the right thing, he has— brandon makes that rishi is doing the right thing, he has rolled - brandon makes that rishi is doing the right thing, he has rolled back on net _ the right thing, he has rolled back on net zero — the right thing, he has rolled back on net zero in— the right thing, he has rolled back on net zero in a _ the right thing, he has rolled back on net zero in a way— the right thing, he has rolled back on net zero in a way that - the right thing, he has rolled back on net zero in a way that in- the right thing, he has rolled back on net zero in a way that in the i on net zero in a way that in the short— on net zero in a way that in the short term _ on net zero in a way that in the short term i_ on net zero in a way that in the short term i think— on net zero in a way that in the short term i think tories - on net zero in a way that in the short term i think tories will. on net zero in a way that in the| short term i think tories will be remembered _ short term i think tories will be remembered for— short term i think tories will be remembered fora _ short term i think tories will be remembered for a lacklustre i

short term i think tories will be - remembered for a lacklustre campaign and a tawdry— remembered for a lacklustre campaign and a tawdry betting _ remembered for a lacklustre campaign and a tawdry betting scandal, - remembered for a lacklustre campaign and a tawdry betting scandal, but - remembered for a lacklustre campaign and a tawdry betting scandal, but in i and a tawdry betting scandal, but in the long _ and a tawdry betting scandal, but in the long term, _ and a tawdry betting scandal, but in the long term, i_ and a tawdry betting scandal, but in the long term, ithink— and a tawdry betting scandal, but in the long term, i think what- and a tawdry betting scandal, but in the long term, i think what they'vel the long term, i think what they've done _ the long term, i think what they've done to— the long term, i think what they've done to net— the long term, i think what they've done to net zero _ the long term, i think what they've done to net zero is— the long term, i think what they've done to net zero is completely - done to net zero is completely destructive _ done to net zero is completely destructive. we _ done to net zero is completely destructive. we have - done to net zero is completely destructive. we have lost- done to net zero is completely destructive. we have lost ourl destructive. we have lost our standing _ destructive. we have lost our standing in _ destructive. we have lost our standing in the _ destructive. we have lost our standing in the world, - destructive. we have lost our standing in the world, and i destructive. we have lost our. standing in the world, and rishi sunak— standing in the world, and rishi sunak has— standing in the world, and rishi sunak has rolled _ standing in the world, and rishi sunak has rolled back— standing in the world, and rishi sunak has rolled back on - standing in the world, and rishi sunak has rolled back on net. standing in the world, and rishi i sunak has rolled back on net zero really _ sunak has rolled back on net zero really to — sunak has rolled back on net zero really to score _ sunak has rolled back on net zero really to score a _ sunak has rolled back on net zero really to score a few— sunak has rolled back on net zero really to score a few cheap - sunak has rolled back on net zero really to score a few cheap pointsi really to score a few cheap points in the _ really to score a few cheap points in the phony— really to score a few cheap points in the phony culture _ really to score a few cheap points in the phony culture war. - really to score a few cheap points in the phony culture war. it - really to score a few cheap points in the phony culture war. it is - really to score a few cheap points in the phony culture war. it is a i in the phony culture war. it is a disaster— in the phony culture war. it is a disaster for— in the phony culture war. it is a disaster for the _ in the phony culture war. it is a disaster for the green- in the phony culture war. it is a disaster for the green economy in the phony culture war. it is a . disaster for the green economy in the long _ disaster for the green economy in the long term _ disaster for the green economy in the long term. and _ disaster for the green economy in the long term. and if— disaster for the green economy in the long term. and if you - disaster for the green economy in the long term. and if you ask- disaster for the green economy inl the long term. and if you ask him, he will— the long term. and if you ask him, he will say— the long term. and if you ask him, he will say something _ the long term. and if you ask him, he will say something similar- the long term. and if you ask him, he will say something similar to i he will say something similar to brandon— he will say something similar to brandon about _ he will say something similar to brandon about proportionality. i he will say something similar to i brandon about proportionality. we have got— brandon about proportionality. we have got to — brandon about proportionality. we have got to be _ brandon about proportionality. we have got to be proportionate. - brandon about proportionality. we have got to be proportionate. thei have got to be proportionate. the climate _ have got to be proportionate. the climate crisis _ have got to be proportionate. the climate crisis is _ have got to be proportionate. the climate crisis is not _ have got to be proportionate. thei climate crisis is not proportionate, it is really— climate crisis is not proportionate, it is really urgent. _ climate crisis is not proportionate, it is really urgent. when _ climate crisis is not proportionate, it is really urgent. when you - it is really urgent. when you interview— it is really urgent. when you interview the _ it is really urgent. when you interview the prime - it is really urgent. when you interview the prime minister it is really urgent. when you - interview the prime minister later, he says— interview the prime minister later, he says his — interview the prime minister later, he says his approach _ interview the prime minister later, he says his approach to _ interview the prime minister later, he says his approach to net - interview the prime minister later, he says his approach to net zero i interview the prime minister later, he says his approach to net zero is| he says his approach to net zero is proportionate, _ he says his approach to net zero is proportionate, you _ he says his approach to net zero is proportionate, you will— he says his approach to net zero is proportionate, you will forgive - he says his approach to net zero is proportionate, you will forgive mei proportionate, you will forgive me if i can't _ proportionate, you will forgive me if i can't suppress— proportionate, you will forgive me if i can't suppress a _ proportionate, you will forgive me if i can't suppress a little - proportionate, you will forgive me if i can't suppress a little howl - proportionate, you will forgive me if i can't suppress a little howl of i if i can't suppress a little howl of pain. _ if i can't suppress a little howl of pain. because _ if i can't suppress a little howl of pain, because he _ if i can't suppress a little howl of pain, because he really- if i can't suppress a little howl of pain, because he really has - if i can't suppress a little howl ofi pain, because he really has done something — pain, because he really has done something that _ pain, because he really has done something that is _ pain, because he really has done something that is going - pain, because he really has done something that is going to - pain, because he really has done something that is going to be - something that is going to be remembered _ something that is going to be remembered are— something that is going to be remembered are setting - something that is going to be remembered are setting us i something that is going to be - remembered are setting us back, and we have _ remembered are setting us back, and we have to _ remembered are setting us back, and we have to get — remembered are setting us back, and we have to get past _ remembered are setting us back, and we have to get past that _ remembered are setting us back, and we have to get past that as _ remembered are setting us back, and we have to get past that as fast - remembered are setting us back, and we have to get past that as fast as . we have to get past that as fast as possible — we have to get past that as fast as possible l— we have to get past that as fast as ossible. . .. we have to get past that as fast as ossible. . ,, ., . possible. i will talk to him and 'ust a possible. i will talk to him and just a couple _ possible. i will talk to him and just a couple of— possible. i will talk to him and just a couple of minutes. - possible. i will talk to him and i just a couple of minutes. harriet, final word from you. in terms of the labour campaign, final word from you. in terms of the labourcampaign, pat final word from you. in terms of the labour campaign, pat mcfadden, keir starmerand labour campaign, pat mcfadden, keir starmer and their team, they decided deliberately to play it very safe. we know that. do you understand, though, that there are people on the

left of the party and activist in other parties and many people in the country who look and think, i wanted more from them. i country who look and think, i wanted more from them.— more from them. i think what is important _ more from them. i think what is important is _ more from them. i think what is important is that _ more from them. i think what is important is that we _ more from them. i think what is important is that we remember| more from them. i think what is - important is that we remember how far we've come. in 2019, the last time people had a chance to vote, they voted for 162 more tory mps and labour mps, and what the team have done is reassure people that there are possibilities, there is hope, but actually reassure them that these are sensible plans. people were burned by the liz truss experience. they don't want wild promises. they do want hope and optimism, but it has got to be grounded in reality.— optimism, but it has got to be grounded in reality. thank you very much indeed- _ grounded in reality. thank you very much indeed. rishi _ grounded in reality. thank you very much indeed. rishi sunak- grounded in reality. thank you very much indeed. rishi sunak is - grounded in reality. thank you very much indeed. rishi sunak is now i grounded in reality. thank you very much indeed. rishi sunak is now in the building, we hear, so can he make a difference in the last few days of the campaign? the prime minister had not had much luck catching up ever since he moved into number 10 after the political carnage of liz truss that harriet just mentioned. he was the youngest prime minister since the 19th century, and the first british asian too. two memorable achievements,

but even putting it kindly, his campaign's been hit by moments he might want to forget. so, this is it. a general election is on. i'm determined to talk to as many people as i can across this country. we are just yards away- from where the titanic was built. are you captaining a sinking ship going into this election? - i'm thoroughly enjoying myself. this modern form of national service... why do you hate young people so much? i'll cut your taxes, protect your pension and reduce immigration. independent treasury officials have costed labour's policies. the prime minister lied in the debate last night. be wary of this £2,000 i per household tax claim. the prime minister attended a service, but then returned to london and recorded a television interview. 0n reflection, that was a mistake. completely wrong. indefensible. i hope people can find it in their hearts to forgive me. what did you go without as a child? sky tv. i think the tories i have had their day. he thought the policy was crap. higher taxes, higher taxes, i highertaxes, highertaxes...

what are you on about?! ..higher taxes, higher taxes. did you have inside information when you placed your bet on the election day? i was incredibly angry to learn of these allegations. this election is about the future. applause well, elections are about the future, and they are of course also about partyrecords. your party has run this country for a generation, and over that time, people's livelihoods have become less secure. there is less faith in our public services and many people feel that our standing services and many people feel that ourstanding in services and many people feel that our standing in the world has also been a question. is this a better or worst place to live than 2010? it is worst place to live than 2010? it is a better place _ worst place to live than 2010? it is a better place to — worst place to live than 2010? it 3 a better place to live than it was in 2010. of course i understand that the last few years have been difficult for everyone, we had a once in a century pandemic followed by a war in ukraine that drove up bills, by a war in ukraine that drove up hills, and that has been difficult bills, and that has been difficult for everybody, but we have also made

progress in tackling those things. inflation back to normal, the economy growing again, wages rising, energy bills set to fall again just next week, and now we are able to start cutting people's taxes to give them financial security so of it has been difficult but we are now on the right track with the prospect of more tax cuts to come to give people more tax cuts to come to give people more financial security, and that is the key choice for people at this election, building on our progress. you told the country very plainly, judge us by our record in the effort we have put it, and in the longer term, overa we have put it, and in the longer term, over a long 1a years, the country has become poorer by many measures, sika by many measures, and by many measures, public services are worse. that is the record of successive conservative administrations. i successive conservative administrations.- successive conservative administrations. , administrations. i don't accept that. if administrations. i don't accept that- if you — administrations. i don't accept that. if you take _ administrations. i don't accept that. if you take education, i administrations. i don't accept i that. if you take education, that administrations. i don't accept - that. if you take education, that is one of the most powerful things any government can do to transform people's lives. in the last 1a

years, our schoolchildren are now the best readers in the western world. nine out of ten schools are good or outstanding, huge improvement compared to what we inherited. those reforms were all opposed by the labour party. those are statistics _ opposed by the labour party. those are statistics which _ opposed by the labour party. those are statistics which we _ opposed by the labour party. those are statistics which we should - opposed by the labour party. those are statistics which we should point out to our viewers... you are statistics which we should point out to our viewers. . .— out to our viewers... you can see the contrast — out to our viewers... you can see the contrast very _ out to our viewers... you can see the contrast very clearly. - out to our viewers... you can see the contrast very clearly. where i the contrast very clearly. where labour are in charge of education, in wales, you haven't seen that improvement, so that is evidence of enormous progress in transforming the life chances particularly by the way of the most disadvantaged children. �* .,, , . children. and those figures which we have heard many _ children. and those figures which we have heard many times _ children. and those figures which we have heard many times in _ children. and those figures which we have heard many times in the - children. and those figures which we have heard many times in the last i have heard many times in the last few weeks, the progress that has been made is when you look at them closely partly because other countries have fallen behind, not necessarily because primary school children in england have leapt ahead. but the sentiment in the country i suppose is what i would like you to address this morning, because we don't want to trade statistics for 20 minutes. 0ur viewers, many of them get in touch with us every single week expressing frustration, expressing sadness, not

just about the pandemic and what has happened with the energy bills because of ukraine, and ijust want to put some of these comments to you and i'd like you to address them directly. julian, why isn't anything working? it grieves me sorely. why does my son's school not have enough money for glue sticks? why do i have potholes on every road? why can't i get a doctor's appointment? sheila says, our biggest worry is not about tax, it is about having the basics. can you say to our viewers this morning that you can do anything about how they feel? do you understand it? yes, of course i do. my understand it? yes, of course i do. my first answer to you, i acknowledge the frustration people felt. 0f acknowledge the frustration people felt. of course it has been very difficult. when inflation rises to the highest level in decades, energy bills double because of the war in

ukraine, of course it has an impact on sheila and everyone else. that is why i am working so hard to deliver people financial security. i think it is about tax because people are working very hard and i want them to keep more of the money so that they can spend it on their families in the way they want. we have been able to start doing that after a difficult few years which is very positive, everyone in work on average is receiving a £900 tax cut. if re—elected, we will continue to cut taxes for people at every stage of their lives, giving them financial security they rightly want and deserve after a difficult few years. it and deserve after a difficult few ears. , ., , . none years. it is not 'ust about... none of it will be — years. it is notjust about... none of it will be made _ years. it is notjust about... none of it will be made easier - years. it is notjust about... none of it will be made easier by - years. it is notjust about... none of it will be made easier by a - of it will be made easier by a labour government that would work up taxes by thousands of pounds, that will not help sheila or anyone else. but this is about what has changed over the long term and sheila says your government has not been delivering the basics. people feel you have not delivered the basics and you are asking for another five

years. and you are asking for another five ears. �* . y ., and you are asking for another five ears. ~ . i. and you are asking for another five ears. ~ . ., years. again, you said you did not want to trade _ years. again, you said you did not want to trade statistics... - years. again, you said you did not want to trade statistics... i'm - want to trade statistics... i'm tellin: want to trade statistics... i'm telling you — want to trade statistics... i'm telling you what _ want to trade statistics... i'm telling you what the viewers are telling you what the viewers are telling us. hf telling you what the viewers are tellin: us. , ., , . ., telling us. if people want more financial security _ telling us. if people want more financial security so _ telling us. if people want more financial security so they - telling us. if people want more financial security so they can i telling us. if people want more - financial security so they can spend money on the things they want to provide a better life for the family, that is what i will deliver. we will continue cutting taxes for everyone in work, cutting taxes for those who are self—employed, taking the risk of setting up businesses, for young people who your by their own first time, for pensioners who have worked hard, i want than to have worked hard, i want than to have security in retirement, so they will have the triple lock plus, raising the allowance for pensioners. that will not be matched by the labour party. for the first time in our country's history, pensioners face playing a retirement tax. the choices ahead of people at this election... irate tax. the choices ahead of people at this election. . .— tax. the choices ahead of people at this election... we have pointed out to our viewers _ this election... we have pointed out to our viewers before _ this election... we have pointed out to our viewers before you _ this election... we have pointed out to our viewers before you are - to our viewers before you are promising to undo something the conservatives were planning to do and our viewers are aware taxes have

been at a record level so you may be promising that now but people have felt the pain because of successive tax rises your party has brought in. can i address that? we had a pandemic. i was on your show many times talking about the support we were providing to the nhs for the vaccine, furlough, war in ukraine, you were saying, what support are you were saying, what support are you providing? at the time not a single person disagreed with the support. very understandably, we have to pay it back. that is why i took difficult decisions i did. i was up front at the time. that is what leadership looks like. now we are cutting taxes for people, this election is about the future, i will continue to cut taxes for people including pensioners. you talked about the tax burden, independent experts, the tax burden under a future labour government is forecast to rise to the highest level in the

nation's history. if people are... you brought up the tax burden, if it is a question at this election, independent forecasts show under labour it will rise to the highest level in our country's history. that is the choice. if taxes are an issue, they will go up under the labour party, down under the conservatives. i labour party, down under the conservatives.— labour party, down under the conservatives. ., , ., conservatives. i will say to you the same as i conservatives. i will say to you the same as l have _ conservatives. i will say to you the same as i have said _ conservatives. i will say to you the same as i have said to _ conservatives. i will say to you the same as i have said to every - same as i have said to every politician, the voters have been very clear, they want the politicians to answer questions about their plans and policies rather than attacking the other side, i say the same to you as every other politician.— other politician. pointing out the difference in _ other politician. pointing out the difference in the _ other politician. pointing out the difference in the choice. - other politician. pointing out the difference in the choice. you - other politician. pointing out the l difference in the choice. you have done that- — difference in the choice. you have done that. when _ difference in the choice. you have done that. when it _ difference in the choice. you have done that. when it comes - difference in the choice. you have done that. when it comes to - difference in the choice. you have done that. when it comes to your| done that. when it comes to your statement as you have repeatedly said elections are about the future, of course they are, but they are also about your record. and your party's long—term record. he had a successful career in business before being a politician. i don't think you would have hired anyone without checking out their references, looking at their cv.—

checking out their references, looking at their cv. yes, i have been prime _ looking at their cv. yes, i have been prime minister _ looking at their cv. yes, i have been prime minister for - looking at their cv. yes, i have been prime minister for 18 - looking at their cv. yes, i have . been prime minister for 18 months been prime ministerfor 18 months and in that time inflation has come down, as i said it would, from 11% back to target, economy growing faster than competitors, waiting rising, energy bills falling, taxes being cut. my primaryjob when i took on the role was to deliver the economic stability, we have done that, that is why people can trust we will continue to cut taxes and give them financial security they crave. also in the 18 months, we have made important strides in investing more in security because the world is a more dangerous place thanit the world is a more dangerous place than it ever has been. irate the world is a more dangerous place than it ever has been.— than it ever has been. we will come onto that. than it ever has been. we will come onto that- we _ than it ever has been. we will come onto that. we were _ than it ever has been. we will come onto that. we were just _ than it ever has been. we will come onto that. we were just talking - than it ever has been. we will come onto that. we were just talking to i onto that. we were just talking to pat mcfadden from the labour party about their position on defence and we will come to that in a second. in the longer term, there have been such changes and challenges in this country, they also have been very significant events around the world, but the long—term political choices the uk has made, including leaving the uk has made, including leaving the eu, has made more difficulty for

our economy. your old bosses at goldman sachs say plainly, in the long term, brexit has meant the uk is notably underperforming compared to other economies. is your boss wrong? to other economies. is your boss wron: ? ~ . . wrong? we had a referendum. the british people _ wrong? we had a referendum. the british people made _ wrong? we had a referendum. the british people made a _ wrong? we had a referendum. the british people made a choice. - wrong? we had a referendum. the british people made a choice. i- wrong? we had a referendum. the| british people made a choice. i was proud to support brexit, the right thing for the country, and what you are now seeing this year, the economy growing faster than every one of our major competitors. actually, we have now overtaken the netherlands, france, japan, to become the fourth largest export economy in the world, thanks to the freedoms we have as a result of brexit, we are able to regulate and cut red tape in a way supporting growth and investment. share cut red tape in a way supporting growth and investment. are they wron: ? growth and investment. are they wrong? about — growth and investment. are they wrong? about the _ growth and investment. are they wrong? about the long-term. .. l growth and investment. are they - wrong? about the long-term... making a big difference — wrong? about the long-term... making a big difference to _ wrong? about the long-term... making a big difference to people... _ a big difference to people... goldman sachs and the office for budget responsibility, the independent government watchdog on these things, says trade will be much lower in the long term because we have left the eu, rightly or wrongly, it was a political choice

to people made, but do you accept in fact as one of your own ministers kevin hollinrake said this week leaving the eu has made things more difficult for many businesses? your close colleague defending you on the airwaves. no doubt for some businesses it is more difficult, thatis businesses it is more difficult, that is the reality. is he wrong? {iii that is the reality. is he wrong? of course when you leave the single market and the customs union, it will change our trading... {iii market and the customs union, it will change our trading. .. of course it is more difficult? _ will change our trading. .. of course it is more difficult? it _ will change our trading. .. of course it is more difficult? it changes - it is more difficult? it changes our it is more difficult? it changes your trading — it is more difficult? it changes your trading relationship. - it is more difficult? it changes your trading relationship. we | it is more difficult? it changes - your trading relationship. we have the deepest bilateral free trade agreement with the european continent any nation has around the world. because of the freedoms we have, the ability to sign trade deals with faster growing plants of the economy around the world, like asia, we have overtaken france, japan, the netherlands to become the fourth largest export economy in the world. i meet businesses all the time taking advantage of those new opportunities and creating jobs in their areas, selling to fast—growing

markets around the world, and long term for this economy, it is the right thing to do. if you look at where global growth will come from the next ten, 20, 30 years, it will come from those places, it is right we have the independence to link ourselves to the fastest growing parts of the world and take advantage of freedoms we have when it comes to regulating growth industries like technology, ai, financial services, which allow us to be more competitive than europe. ijust to be more competitive than europe. i just want to be clear... to be more competitive than europe. ijust want to be clear... i to be more competitive than europe. i just want to be clear. . .— ijust want to be clear... i come from a business _ ijust want to be clear... i come from a business background, i i ijust want to be clear... i come i from a business background, i am highly confident in the right hands we will do that. the choice for people is, if they want to reverse that with labour, that is what they will get. keir starmer has been clear he wants to do a deal with the eu which means accepting some form of free movement people... we eu which means accepting some form of free movement people. . .— of free movement people... we talk to pat mcfadden _ of free movement people... we talk to pat mcfadden about _ of free movement people... we talk to pat mcfadden about that, - of free movement people... we talk to pat mcfadden about that, he - of free movement people... we talk to pat mcfadden about that, he just| to pat mcfadden about that, he just denied it. iwant to pat mcfadden about that, he just denied it. i want to make clear to the view is the trade deals you talk about, the vast majority of our rollovers from deals we already had with the eu and the us is not at this stage interested in a trade deal even though it was one of the

big promises of brexit. hang deal even though it was one of the big promises of brexit.— deal even though it was one of the big promises of brexit. hang on, you haven't mentioned _ big promises of brexit. hang on, you haven't mentioned we _ big promises of brexit. hang on, you haven't mentioned we are _ big promises of brexit. hang on, you haven't mentioned we are the - big promises of brexit. hang on, you haven't mentioned we are the first i haven't mentioned we are the first european nation to join the trade deal which has some of the fastest growing... hat deal which has some of the fastest rurowin... ., , .,. deal which has some of the fastest growing---_ lt- deal which has some of the fastest growing- - -_ ltiust i growing... not yet in force. it 'ust needs to be — growing... not yet in force. it 'ust needs to be passed in i growing... not yet in force. itjusti needs to be passed in parliament. growing... not yet in force. itjust i needs to be passed in parliament. it is a big moment. one of the fastest growing parts of the world. we were negotiating very closely with india and i'm confident we will build the first european country under a conservative government if re—elected to negotiate a trade deal with india which again is one of the fastest growing parts of the world. that is the right priority for the british economy. i don't think it is right for labour to end up we accepting any rules that we have no say over and some freedom of movement of people... i say over and some freedom of movement of people... i remind you pat mcfadden _ movement of people... i remind you pat mcfadden denied _ movement of people... i remind you pat mcfadden denied that _ movement of people... i remind you pat mcfadden denied that and - movement of people... i remind you pat mcfadden denied that and i - pat mcfadden denied that and i remind you as i have every politician our viewers want us to stick to the party's policy of the person sitting in the chair, with respect. plenty of evidence even from your own minister in the last few days the economic reality of

brexit is the uk's standing long term is more challenging than had we stayed in the eu. you promised control of immigration which many voters thought would mean emigration would come down. when we left the eu. 0f would come down. when we left the eu. of course until very recently it was going up and up. another promise that seems to have gone by the wayside. the kind of bold commitment your old boss borisjohnson used to make when it comes to climate change. at your party's conference this year you shifted the rhetoric, that some people believe, including the independent climate change committee, it means the uk has lost its status as a leader, was that a mistake? ., , . . mistake? no, he started that ruestion mistake? no, he started that question with _ mistake? no, he started that question with something - mistake? no, he started that question with something i - question with something i fundamentally disagree with, because of brexit, we have lost our standing in the world. of brexit, we have lost our standing in the world-— in the world. that is not what i said, in the world. that is not what i said. lots _ in the world. that is not what i said. lots of— in the world. that is not what i said, lots of economic - in the world. that is not what i i said, lots of economic evidence, many economists say... completely and utterly wrong. _ many economists say... completely and utterly wrong. that _ many economists say... completely and utterly wrong. that is _ many economists say... completely and utterly wrong. that is not - many economists say... completely and utterly wrong. that is not what| and utterly wrong. that is not what i said. we and utterly wrong. that is not what i said- weiust_ and utterly wrong. that is not what i said. we just had _ and utterly wrong. that is not what i said. we just had a _

and utterly wrong. that is not what i said. we just had a visit _ and utterly wrong. that is not what i said. we just had a visit from - and utterly wrong. that is not what i said. we just had a visit from the| i said. we 'ust had a visit from the ja anese. i said. we just had a visit from the japanese- last _ i said. we just had a visit from the japanese. last year _ i said. we just had a visit from the japanese. last year we _ i said. we just had a visit from the japanese. last year we signed - i said. we just had a visit from the| japanese. last year we signed with japan, with japan stating we are the closest ally in europe, building a new generation of nuclear submarines with australia and america, never happened before sharing technology on that scale. we negotiated the windsor frame with the eu, restored government in northern ireland, joined the ctppp trade deal, supporting ukraine in defence. people are queueing up to work with us because they respect what we do. i completely reject that. entirely wrong, the narrative people have of the uk, i wholeheartedly reject. when it comes to climate change. people in your own party, something decisions and approach on climate change has caused the uk's reputation in that area which was well leading to full—back. i reputation in that area which was well leading to full-back.- well leading to full-back. i don't think british — well leading to full-back. i don't think british families _

well leading to full-back. i don't think british families should - well leading to full-back. i don't i think british families should solve a global probable by themselves. we have cut emissions by 50%. what have they done in the eu? 30%. in the us? zero. china? lap two, three times. a lack of leadership. 2030 targets, more ambitious than the eu, more ambitious thanjapan, more ambitious than america, all of the nonsense we are not leaving, we are doing far more than anyone else which is why make the changes i did because i don't think it is right to saddle british families with thousands of pounds of extra cost to convert their home, dakar, when we do not need to do that. no one else is doing that. == need to do that. no one else is doing that-— need to do that. no one else is doing that. need to do that. no one else is doini that. ., doing that. -- the car. the boss of the company _ doing that. -- the car. the boss of the company making _ doing that. -- the car. the boss of the company making peugeot - doing that. -- the car. the boss of the company making peugeot and | the company making peugeot and vauxhall cars, talking about pulling out of uk production because of the delay on making electric vehicles compulsory, the boss said, we have undertaken big investments, but if this market becomes hostile, we will look at producing elsewhere.

billions of pounds of investment into the auto industry from nissan into the auto industry from nissan into sunderland, i was at the plant, making a new generation of electric vehicles, and from jell—o, again making a new platform of electric vehicles —— jl making a new platform of electric vehicles ——jl r. this decline has narrative... vehicles -- jl r. this decline has narrative. . .— narrative... the senior business fi . ure narrative... the senior business figure with _ narrative... the senior business figure with hesitation. - narrative... the senior business figure with hesitation. you - narrative... the senior business figure with hesitation. you havei narrative... the senior business - figure with hesitation. you have not mention the — figure with hesitation. you have not mention the two _ figure with hesitation. you have not mention the two largest _ figure with hesitation. you have not mention the two largest auto - mention the two largest auto companies in the uk under our leadership in the last months announcing billions of investment securing the future of plants in this country are making the transition to electric vehicles. you have that one quote when the two largest producers of cars... the boss of three _ largest producers of cars... the boss of three big _ largest producers of cars... the boss of three big car companies. i want to move on to talk about... jil want to move on to talk about... m r and nissan, two biggest, but investing biggest and said the future of electric vehicles happening here in this country. to your point, i don't think we need to saddle british families with thousands of pounds of extra cost

when other countries are not doing anywhere near the same thing and it is not necessary. a clear choice for people at the election. they may not like it. i don't thing it is right. it was £10,000 on a typical terraced house to change the boiler. £8,000 in a typical semi detached house to convert your energy. to change your car years before any saying it is necessary, i don't think it is right. necessary, i don't think it is riiht. ., . . . right. you have made that point. the will right. you have made that point. they will be _ right. you have made that point. they will be reversed _ right. you have made that point. they will be reversed under- right. you have made that point. they will be reversed under a - right. you have made that point. i they will be reversed under a future labour government and it is a choice, sensible approach to net zero with me saving money, thousands of pounds of extra points with the labour party. of pounds of extra points with the labour party-— of pounds of extra points with the labour party. climate change is not the only threat _ labour party. climate change is not the only threat to _ labour party. climate change is not the only threat to global— labour party. climate change is not the only threat to global security, i the only threat to global security, you have warned recently, heard it from the nato boss on our programme as well, about the threat from an axis of authoritarian states. your defence secretary that we are in a prewar world. if that is what you believe, why didn't you give the defence secretary what he wanted which was 3% of gdp to go on defence

spending? that which was 396 of gdp to go on defence s-iendin ? . , which was 396 of gdp to go on defence s-iendin? . ,, ,, which was 396 of gdp to go on defence siiendin? ., ,, ,, ., spending? that is simply not right. we are investing _ spending? that is simply not right. we are investing more _ spending? that is simply not right. we are investing more in _ spending? that is simply not right. we are investing more in defence, | we are investing more in defence, and i announce that, talking about the access of the foreign states, china, north korea, and we need to build our defence industrial capability to handle the increased investment so that we can produce more at home, because that's what the ukraine war has shown, that we need to invest more in our munitions and stockpiles, and we are doing that, and the armed forces and defence secretary are delighted with what we're doing, and again the choice for people is clear. we can have more investment in defence with a conservative government, or as keir starmer has been crystal clear. the nato summit is days after the election. if keir starmer is prime minister, he will to that summit and reverse the uk government's plan andi and i say again to you that they don't want politicians this morning to continually return to attacking their opponents. you are spending

less on defence than you are in 2010 in today's prices. you are spending less today than you were in 2010, even though you and your defence secretary have made all sorts of very serious warnings about the threats. �* . , . threats. and the threats have changed- _ threats. and the threats have changed. the _ threats. and the threats have changed. the threats - threats. and the threats have changed. the threats have i threats. and the threats have - changed. the threats have changed. the world today is very different to what it was 16 years ago, that's the thing. you have russia, iran, north korea and china, increasingly working together. we just saw russia and north korea sitting down together last week.— and north korea sitting down together last week. server threats are ireat together last week. server threats are great are _ together last week. server threats are great are you _ together last week. server threats are great are you spending - together last week. server threats are great are you spending less i together last week. server threats are great are you spending less in | are great are you spending less in real terms? irate are great are you spending less in real terms?— are great are you spending less in realterms? . . , . . , real terms? we have been decreasing -- increasing — real terms? we have been decreasing -- increasing defence _ real terms? we have been decreasing -- increasing defence spending - real terms? we have been decreasing -- increasing defence spending since| —— increasing defence spending since 2020 when i was chancellor. the choice for people at this election is very clear. if you think the world is dangerous, as i do, if you think we need to invest more in defence to keep everyone at home safe, and this is an important point you have made it already and there are other subjects i want to get to.

this also sends a signal to our adversaries. we have strength by demonstrating to our adversaries that we are unable to invest today, not just for the short term, that we will be able to continue supporting ukraine years into the future if necessary. that is not something the labour party can say. you necessary. that is not something the labour party can say.— labour party can say. you also say that ou labour party can say. you also say that you are _ labour party can say. you also say that you are going _ labour party can say. you also say that you are going to _ labour party can say. you also say that you are going to pay - labour party can say. you also say that you are going to pay for- labour party can say. you also say that you are going to pay for this i that you are going to pay for this increase in defence spending by getting rid of civil servants, promise i have heard politicians say more times than i have had hot dinners, but i want to move onto other subjects, dinners, but i want to move onto othersubjects, because dinners, but i want to move onto other subjects, because there are important things say. if other subjects, because there are important things say.— important things say. if you make that oint important things say. if you make that point i _ important things say. if you make that point i should _ important things say. if you make that point i should have _ important things say. if you make that point i should have a - important things say. if you make that point i should have a chance | important things say. if you make i that point i should have a chance to address it. you made that point in the past, but the difference this time is a massive expansion of civil servants since the pandemic to deal with that which was reasonable at the time but not reasonable as a permanent state of affairs, and i do think it is entirely clear that we can reduce the civil service not by a huge amount butjust back to its pre—pandemic levels which i think were entirely reasonable. the treasury has conducted a full

analysis, the plans were finalised in the spring, and that together fully funds the increase, but again the choice is clear, if you believe the choice is clear, if you believe the world is dangerous, we are the only ones. the world is dangerous, we are the onl ones. �* . the world is dangerous, we are the only ones-— the world is dangerous, we are the onl ones. �* . , ., only ones. and there are things our viewers want _ only ones. and there are things our viewers want to _ only ones. and there are things our viewers want to ask _ only ones. and there are things our viewers want to ask about. - only ones. and there are things our viewers want to ask about. was - only ones. and there are things our viewers want to ask about. was it i only ones. and there are things our viewers want to ask about. was it a i viewers want to ask about. was it a mistake at the start of this campaign for you to say you had respect for nigel farage?- campaign for you to say you had respect for nigel farage? there are views of his — respect for nigel farage? there are views of his that _ respect for nigel farage? there are views of his that i _ respect for nigel farage? there are views of his that i do _ respect for nigel farage? there are views of his that i do agree - respect for nigel farage? there are views of his that i do agree with, i views of his that i do agree with, and i was right to say that, but what happened the other day was wrong and i was keen to call it out. i said right at the beginning of this campaign, vote for anyone who was not a conservative candidate in this election just makes it more likely that keir starmer is in number 10, so likely that keir starmer is in number10, so if likely that keir starmer is in number 10, so if you want your taxes cut, your pension protected, our borders secure, immigration coming down and a sensible approach to net zero, you will only get that if you vote for conservative candidate. fin vote for conservative candidate. on friday you showed understandable and

genuine anger about incredibly offensive, vile slur is about you by an activist who said he was linked to the reform party. it was a big deal for you as a to the reform party. it was a big dealfor you as a prime minister in 2024 to repeat that language to highlight the point. why did you decide to do that?— highlight the point. why did you decide to do that? �* , ., ., .., , decide to do that? anyone who comes into olitics decide to do that? anyone who comes into politics is — decide to do that? anyone who comes into politics is ready _ decide to do that? anyone who comes into politics is ready to _ decide to do that? anyone who comes into politics is ready to accept - decide to do that? anyone who comes into politics is ready to accept a i into politics is ready to accept a degree of criticism. that comes with the territory and that is fine. but in this instance, what was said was deeply inappropriate and racist, and i did it deliberately, i hated doing it, but i thought it was important to say it, to call out what it was, and that's why i did what i did. i think the vast majority of people in our country rightly believe that it is not the colour of your skin or your background or gender that defines who you are. the fact that i'm the first british asian prime minister as you said at the beginning of the segment is a wonderful thing, beginning of the segment is a wonderfulthing, but beginning of the segment is a wonderful thing, but also it is wonderful thing, but also it is wonderful that it wasn't a big deal and that is what is so special about our country, i don't think my story

would be possible anywhere else. we cannot let the views of a minority run license like that, and i wanted to call them out notjust for me and my family but for everyone who has experienced racism like that, they deserve to be called out and that is why i said what i said. can deserve to be called out and that is why i said what i said.— why i said what i said. can you believe you — why i said what i said. can you believe you felt _ why i said what i said. can you believe you felt you _ why i said what i said. can you believe you felt you had i why i said what i said. can you believe you felt you had to i why i said what i said. can you believe you felt you had to do | why i said what i said. can you i believe you felt you had to do that in 2024? {eli believe you felt you had to do that in 2024? . ., , believe you felt you had to do that in 2024? .., , ., , believe you felt you had to do that in2024? , ., , , in 2024? of course that is sad, but i would also _ in 2024? of course that is sad, but i would also say — in 2024? of course that is sad, but i would also say we _ in 2024? of course that is sad, but i would also say we have _ in 2024? of course that is sad, but i would also say we have made i i would also say we have made enormous progress as a country, and i'm sitting here as living proof of the progress we have made as a country, and as i said, my story i don't think would be possible anywhere else and we are the most successful multi—faith, multiethnic democracy anywhere in the world, that should give us a source of enormous strength and pride for our country, and that is why views like this are so damaging and so wrong. they belong to a minority of people and they deserve to be called out for what they are and that is what i did. ~ for what they are and that is what i did. . . . . , for what they are and that is what i did. . . . . i, ., for what they are and that is what i did. . . . i, ., , did. we had a really strong response from the viewers _ did. we had a really strong response from the viewers on _ did. we had a really strong response from the viewers on what _ did. we had a really strong response from the viewers on what happened, and the vast majority of people were appalled, but ijust want and the vast majority of people were appalled, but i just want to show you what somebody who told us he is a black man wrote in to say. he said i was appalled at the way that rishi

sunak was described, however to me his stance on racism hasn't been completely zero tolerance. he wanted us to ask you, why did you refuse to return the money of a conservative party donor frank hester who was accused of making racist remarks about diane abbott? hit accused of making racist remarks about diane abbott?— accused of making racist remarks about diane abbott? at the time, i called out those _ about diane abbott? at the time, i called out those remarks _ about diane abbott? at the time, i called out those remarks as - about diane abbott? at the time, i called out those remarks as racist. | called out those remarks as racist. frank hester apologised, expressed genuine contrition about what happened, and i think it is reasonable when someone is genuinely contrite about what has happened, accepts what they have done is wrong, that that apology is accepted. 50 wrong, that that apology is accepted-— wrong, that that apology is acceted. , ., .~ , accepted. so it is ok to take his money because _ accepted. so it is ok to take his money because he _ accepted. so it is ok to take his money because he said - accepted. so it is ok to take his money because he said sorry, i accepted. so it is ok to take his i money because he said sorry, and then to take more money from him just a day or two after his racist remarks? ' . just a day or two after his racist remarks?— just a day or two after his racist remarks? ' . , remarks? the difference here is niel remarks? the difference here is nigel farage — remarks? the difference here is nigel farage has _ remarks? the difference here is nigel farage has described i remarks? the difference here is| nigel farage has described these comments is inappropriate. they were not inappropriate, they were vile and racist and wrong. the person who made them has only apologised to the reform party for the impact it has had on them. there is a very clear

difference there, there is no contrition or remorse or acceptance of what has happened. so contrition or remorse or acceptance of what has happened. 50 it contrition or remorse or acceptance of what has happened.— contrition or remorse or acceptance of what has happened. so it was ok to take frank— of what has happened. so it was ok to take frank hester's _ of what has happened. so it was ok to take frank hester's money i of what has happened. so it was ok to take frank hester's money and i to take frank hester's money and then to take more money because he apologised after being caught. our reader might wonder if the money was more important than the values. if more important than the values. it someone apologises and shows genuine contrition, that should be accepted. i said that the comments about diane abbott were racist, and she herself has also made comments that were wrong and apologised and was accepted back into the labour party, so i do think it is reasonable when people make mistakes, if they are genuine and upfront that they have made mistakes and they apologise, then those apologies should be accepted. that happened in the case of frank hester, it happened in the case of diane abbott herself as she was accepted back into the labour party. was accepted back into the labour pa . ., , ., , party. you 'ust mentioned mistakes that we party. you just mentioned mistakes that we have _ party. you just mentioned mistakes that we have been _ party. you just mentioned mistakes that we have been asking our i that we have been asking our politicians about mistakes this morning. when was the last time you were wrong? you morning. when was the last time you were wrong?— were wrong? you should talk to my wife or my — were wrong? you should talk to my wife or my daughters! _ were wrong? you should talk to my wife or my daughters! they -

were wrong? you should talk to my wife or my daughters! they would l were wrong? you should talk to my i wife or my daughters! they would say on a regular basis! this campaign is something that i am proud of, and that's what we're here to talk about. ., g �* , , ., about. really? after everything, you are roud about. really? after everything, you are proud of— about. really? after everything, you are proud of the _ about. really? after everything, you are proud of the campaign? - about. really? after everything, you are proud of the campaign? i - about. really? after everything, you are proud of the campaign? i am, i are proud of the campaign? i am, because this _ are proud of the campaign? i am, because this campaign _ are proud of the campaign? i am, because this campaign has - are proud of the campaign? i am, because this campaign has shone | are proud of the campaign? i am, | because this campaign has shone a spotlight on the fact that a labour government will raise everyone's taxes, and i'm proud that we have put that on the table and people are aware of that, and they should be, because there is a few days left before everyone makes up their mind and there is a clear choice, and i've been very clear throughout this campaign about the risk a labour government poses, notjust our borders and security, but to pensions and finances. i don't want people to surrender all those things to the labour party. i don't want their taxes to go up, and this campaign is rightly focused on that, and in your debatejust campaign is rightly focused on that, and in your debate just the other day, you were there, keir starmer just can't say to people what he's going to do to control immigration, he can't be straight with people that their taxes are going up. are that their taxes are going up. are ou roud that their taxes are going up. are you proud of— that their taxes are going up. are you proud of leaving the d—day commemorations early? are you proud that some people in your party are being looked at by the gambling commission for having a punt on the

election? one of your closest aides has admitted an error ofjudgment. you are proud of your campaign? i’ue you are proud of your campaign? i've been ve you are proud of your campaign? i�*;e: been very clear when you are proud of your campaign? i"9 been very clear when it you are proud of your campaign? i"9: been very clear when it comes you are proud of your campaign? i"9 been very clear when it comes to gambling, i was appalled to learn of these allegations. absolutely appalled. i was furious to think that anyone might have cheated. that is the opposite of what i think public service means and i have been crystal clear when we have conducted our own internal inquiries, have suspended two candidates, and if anyone is found to have broken the rules, they should face the full consequences of the law. find rules, they should face the full consequences of the law. and will ou tell consequences of the law. and will you tell us — consequences of the law. and will you tell us the — consequences of the law. and will you tell us the last _ consequences of the law. and will you tell us the last time _ consequences of the law. and will you tell us the last time that - consequences of the law. and will you tell us the last time that you | you tell us the last time that you were wrong? margaret thatcher couldn't think of a single occasion to david frost! i'm sure they will be plenty of times on a daily basis that people will say i got things wrong, but this campaign is about the future, and this is a very important choice for people. i understand frustrations with me, with the party, we all make mistakes. we haven't got everything right and made the progress we would have liked, but this isn't a by—election, it is a choice about who you want to govern this country notjust who you want to govern this country not just for five years who you want to govern this country notjust for five years but potentially longer, and to think

about what that means for you. if you want your taxes cut, migration control, pensions protected, only i and the conservatives will do that for you. do and the conservatives will do that for ou. ,, ~ and the conservatives will do that for ou. ~' , for you. do you think you will still be prime minister _ for you. do you think you will still be prime minister on _ for you. do you think you will still be prime minister on friday? - for you. do you think you will still| be prime minister on friday? yes. for you. do you think you will still. be prime minister on friday? yes. i am fighting — be prime minister on friday? yes. i am fighting very — be prime minister on friday? yes. i am fighting very hard _ be prime minister on friday? yes. i am fighting very hard and _ be prime minister on friday? yes. i am fighting very hard and i - be prime minister on friday? yes. i am fighting very hard and i think. am fighting very hard and i think people are waking up to the real danger of what a labour government is. i don't want people to surrender their pension, finances, borders and security to a labour government. you have made that point. there - security to a labour government. you have made that point. there are - security to a labour government. you have made that point. there are daysi have made that point. there are days left for people _ have made that point. there are days left for people to _ have made that point. there are days left for people to realise _ have made that point. there are days left for people to realise what - have made that point. there are days left for people to realise what this - left for people to realise what this election will mean for it to them and theirfamilies. i don't think people can afford thousands of pounds of tax rises. qm. people can afford thousands of pounds of tax rises. 0k, prime minister, _ pounds of tax rises. 0k, prime minister, thank _ pounds of tax rises. 0k, prime minister, thank you _ pounds of tax rises. 0k, prime minister, thank you very - pounds of tax rises. 0k, prime minister, thank you very much | pounds of tax rises. 0k, prime i minister, thank you very much for coming to see it in the studio this morning. coming to see it in the studio this morninu. :, ~ coming to see it in the studio this morninu. . ,, i. coming to see it in the studio this morninu. . ~ i. :, coming to see it in the studio this morninu. :, ~' ,, :, ., what do you think? let us know. email us at kuenssberg@bbc.co.uk or on social use the hashtag #bbclaurak. and we'll try and share some of the converation later in the show. the headlines are on the bbc lve page as it unfolds. the address is there for you now.

hugh, let's start with you. what did you think of what rishi sunak had to say on climate change? i you think of what rishi sunak had to say on climate change?— say on climate change? i thought that was quite — say on climate change? i thought that was quite a _ say on climate change? i thought that was quite a tetchy _ say on climate change? i thought i that was quite a tetchy performance from the _ that was quite a tetchy performance from the prime _ that was quite a tetchy performance from the prime minister, _ that was quite a tetchy performance from the prime minister, and - that was quite a tetchy performance from the prime minister, and at - that was quite a tetchy performance from the prime minister, and at his| from the prime minister, and at his most _ from the prime minister, and at his most tetchy— from the prime minister, and at his most tetchy when _ from the prime minister, and at his most tetchy when you _ from the prime minister, and at his most tetchy when you mentioned . from the prime minister, and at his. most tetchy when you mentioned net zero. most tetchy when you mentioned net zero he _ most tetchy when you mentioned net zero he is _ most tetchy when you mentioned net zero he is going— most tetchy when you mentioned net zero. he is going back— most tetchy when you mentioned net zero. he is going back to— most tetchy when you mentioned net zero. he is going back to the - most tetchy when you mentioned net zero. he is going back to the same i zero. he is going back to the same story— zero. he is going back to the same story of— zero. he is going back to the same story of rolling _ zero. he is going back to the same story of rolling back _ zero. he is going back to the same story of rolling back on _ zero. he is going back to the same story of rolling back on his - story of rolling back on his government— story of rolling back on his government was- story of rolling back on his government was my - story of rolling back on his - government was my commitments. story of rolling back on his _ government was my commitments. using the reason _ government was my commitments. using the reason that _ government was my commitments. using the reason that he — government was my commitments. using the reason that he doesn't— government was my commitments. using the reason that he doesn't want _ government was my commitments. using the reason that he doesn't want the - the reason that he doesn't want the burden— the reason that he doesn't want the burden to _ the reason that he doesn't want the burden to fall— the reason that he doesn't want the burden to fall on _ the reason that he doesn't want the burden to fall on the _ the reason that he doesn't want the burden to fall on the most - burden to fall on the most vulnerable _ burden to fall on the most vulnerable in _ burden to fall on the most vulnerable in society- burden to fall on the most vulnerable in society in . burden to fall on the most. vulnerable in society in terms burden to fall on the most - vulnerable in society in terms of the transition, _ vulnerable in society in terms of the transition, but _ vulnerable in society in terms of the transition, but it— vulnerable in society in terms of the transition, but it is- vulnerable in society in terms of the transition, but it is a - vulnerable in society in terms of the transition, but it is a matterl the transition, but it is a matter of government _ the transition, but it is a matter of government policy— the transition, but it is a matter of government policy who - the transition, but it is a matter of government policy who bearsl the transition, but it is a matter- of government policy who bears the brunt _ of government policy who bears the brunt of _ of government policy who bears the brunt of the — of government policy who bears the brunt of the urgent _ of government policy who bears the brunt of the urgent transition - of government policy who bears the brunt of the urgent transition to - of government policy who bears the brunt of the urgent transition to a l brunt of the urgent transition to a green _ brunt of the urgent transition to a green economy— brunt of the urgent transition to a green economy and _ brunt of the urgent transition to a green economy and a _ brunt of the urgent transition to a green economy and a greener- brunt of the urgent transition to a . green economy and a greener energy system, _ green economy and a greener energy system, and _ green economy and a greener energy system, and it— green economy and a greener energy system, and it doesn't— green economy and a greener energy system, and it doesn't have - green economy and a greener energy system, and it doesn't have to- green economy and a greener energy system, and it doesn't have to fall. system, and it doesn't have to fall on the _ system, and it doesn't have to fall on the most — system, and it doesn't have to fall on the most vulnerable _ system, and it doesn't have to fall on the most vulnerable in - system, and it doesn't have to fall on the most vulnerable in society, l on the most vulnerable in society, and that— on the most vulnerable in society, and that is— on the most vulnerable in society, and that is why— on the most vulnerable in society, and that is why the _ on the most vulnerable in society, and that is why the green - on the most vulnerable in society, and that is why the green party. and that is why the green party would — and that is why the green party would go — and that is why the green party would go for— and that is why the green party would go for a _ and that is why the green party would go for a carbon - and that is why the green party would go for a carbon tax - and that is why the green partyl would go for a carbon tax which would _ would go for a carbon tax which would finance _ would go for a carbon tax which would finance that _ would go for a carbon tax which would finance that without - would go for a carbon tax whichl would finance that without being would go for a carbon tax which i would finance that without being a burden _ would finance that without being a burden l— would finance that without being a burden. :, ~ would finance that without being a burden. . ,, ., burden. i will talk about the details in — burden. i will talk about the details in a _ burden. i will talk about the details in a second, - burden. i will talk about the details in a second, but - burden. i will talk about the - details in a second, but brandon, how did you feel about that? brandon, we know that the country is grumpy, we know that things have gone wrong. do you think he can escape? there are a few days left. we can't deny what the polls are showing and that consistency, this

is a very challenging week. but there are still _ is a very challenging week. but there are still a _ is a very challenging week. but there are still a lot of seats around _ there are still a lot of seats around the country when you dig into that polling _ around the country when you dig into that polling where the margins are narrow. _ that polling where the margins are narrow, and i think that what people will hopefully see with what the prime _ will hopefully see with what the prime minister outlined today, someone — prime minister outlined today, someone who is fighting for every single _ someone who is fighting for every single vote, making the case for the future _ single vote, making the case for the future conservative government that he wants _ future conservative government that he wants to lead and what it can do for people. — he wants to lead and what it can do for people, make peoples lives hetter— for people, make peoples lives better and more cost effective as opposed — better and more cost effective as opposed to a bit of a blank page we are seeing — opposed to a bit of a blank page we are seeing from labour and potentially an expensive one as well _ potentially an expensive one as well. , :, ~ potentially an expensive one as well. i. ~ , , potentially an expensive one as well. ,, ~ , , ., potentially an expensive one as well. ~ , , ., , well. do you think he seems to be in more fighting _ well. do you think he seems to be in more fighting spirit? _ well. do you think he seems to be in more fighting spirit? we _ well. do you think he seems to be in more fighting spirit? we saw- well. do you think he seems to be in more fighting spirit? we saw that i well. do you think he seems to be in more fighting spirit? we saw that in | more fighting spirit? we saw that in the debate on wednesday and how he responded to those racist slurs, and at the beginning of the campaign he was often accused of being robotic. has he done himself a disservice by keeping his spirit to the end? i think people are seeing somebody who wants to _ think people are seeing somebody who wants to do _ think people are seeing somebody who wants to do the right thing for people. — wants to do the right thing for people, and what he said is right, harriet _ people, and what he said is right, harriet and — people, and what he said is right, harriet and hugh, we have all had that in— harriet and hugh, we have all had that in the — harriet and hugh, we have all had that in the past, personal attacks are a _ that in the past, personal attacks are a risk— that in the past, personal attacks are a risk for politics more generally. it comes back to the

social— generally. it comes back to the social media point i made earlier, changing — social media point i made earlier, changing the dynamics of how people engage _ changing the dynamics of how people engage. he is right to call that out, _ engage. he is right to call that out, as— engage. he is right to call that out, as have others, and as a nation in the _ out, as have others, and as a nation in the country. — out, as have others, and as a nation in the country, we have to be conscious _ in the country, we have to be conscious of what we do, because if we want _ conscious of what we do, because if we want the — conscious of what we do, because if we want the best public servants, we have to _ we want the best public servants, we have to give — we want the best public servants, we have to give them some respect, because — have to give them some respect, because one thing all of us have in common— because one thing all of us have in common i— because one thing all of us have in common i would argue across all parties. — common i would argue across all parties. we — common i would argue across all parties, we might disagree on how we do things. _ parties, we might disagree on how we do things, but we all want to make our country— do things, but we all want to make our country better. do do things, but we all want to make our country better.— our country better. do you agree that he hasn't _ our country better. do you agree that he hasn't made _ our country better. do you agree that he hasn't made any - our country better. do you agree i that he hasn't made any mistakes? there will be that he hasn't made any mistakes? there will he points in this campaign that, you know, you mention the gambling thing. i'm sure he will look back— the gambling thing. i'm sure he will look back on that and think that there _ look back on that and think that there are — look back on that and think that there are things that people could have done better. find there are things that people could have done better.— there are things that people could have done better. and he didn't say there haven't _ have done better. and he didn't say there haven't been _ have done better. and he didn't say there haven't been any _ have done better. and he didn't say there haven't been any mistakes, i have done better. and he didn't say| there haven't been any mistakes, he said he was proud of it. harriet, how do you think he got on? what did you make of what he had to say? in relation to the future, i think people want stability, and he is the third prime minister since the last general election. they want stability whether they are investors or foreign allies, stability whether they are investors orforeign allies, and we stability whether they are investors or foreign allies, and we want an end to the chaos that has been in government. he was very tetchy when asked about the past, and i know

that he has got thundering in his ears, the kind of hooves of the horse four horsemen of the tory apocalypse, steketee, brexit, partygate, liz truss. that is what people's experience of the government is, and that is why people want an end to chaos, and they want stability.— people want an end to chaos, and they want stability. doesn't have a oint they want stability. doesn't have a point when — they want stability. doesn't have a point when he _ they want stability. doesn't have a point when he does return - they want stability. doesn't have a point when he does return to i they want stability. doesn't have a point when he does return to say l point when he does return to say that keir starmer hasn't been as explicit as he might have been about issues like defence spending, labour issues like defence spending, labour is not offering to be as generous as the conservatives. in strong defence, there is an undertone you have not been clear, but we have. undertone you have not been clear, but we have-— but we have. maybe it is 'ust in campaigns i but we have. maybe it is 'ust in campaigns politicians i but we have. maybe it isjust in campaigns politicians are i but we have. maybe it isjust in campaigns politicians are never crystal—clear because they do not want to be held to do everything afterwards. irate want to be held to do everything afterwards-— want to be held to do everything afterwards. ~ . . ., ., ., afterwards. we are clear about what we can commit _ afterwards. we are clear about what we can commit to _ afterwards. we are clear about what we can commit to and _ afterwards. we are clear about what we can commit to and then - afterwards. we are clear about what we can commit to and then we i afterwards. we are clear about what we can commit to and then we say l we can commit to and then we say were our aspirations are. got a

feeling with rishi sunak, i know i should not be complacent, we have a mountain to climb, but it feels people are done with what the tories delivered for them and their families over the last iii years. i5 families over the last 14 years. is that true, brandon? a _ families over the last 14 years. is that true, brandon? a huge i families over the last 14 years. is i that true, brandon? a huge amount of thins i am that true, brandon? a huge amount of things i am hugely _ that true, brandon? a huge amount of things i am hugely proud _ that true, brandon? a huge amount of things i am hugely proud of _ that true, brandon? a huge amount of things i am hugely proud of we - that true, brandon? a huge amount of things i am hugely proud of we have i things i am hugely proud of we have done on _ things i am hugely proud of we have done on things i have worked on as a minister— done on things i have worked on as a minister and — done on things i have worked on as a minister and colleagues across a lon- minister and colleagues across a long period of time. no getting away from the _ long period of time. no getting away from the fat through the covid period. — from the fat through the covid period, ukraine, war in middle east, challenging — period, ukraine, war in middle east, challenging fears and the impact on the economy and daily lives. three rime the economy and daily lives. three prime ministers _ the economy and daily lives. three prime ministers since _ the economy and daily lives. three prime ministers since the - prime ministers since the election... prime ministers since the election. . .— prime ministers since the election... . ~ ., ., election... talking about what the next government _ election... talking about what the next government will _ election... talking about what the next government will do, - election... talking about what the next government will do, i - election... talking about what the next government will do, i think l next government will do, i think people _ next government will do, i think people will vote for people when they can — people will vote for people when they can see what they wanted to make _ they can see what they wanted to make their better. not they can see what they wanted to make their better.— they can see what they wanted to make their better. not all about the battle between _ make their better. not all about the battle between the _ make their better. not all about the battle between the red _ make their better. not all about the battle between the red and - make their better. not all about the battle between the red and blue. i battle between the red and blue. let's see what your party have been up let's see what your party have been up to on the campaign trail. cheering and applause

we are the ones that will stop the water companies continuing to profit. we are offering hope. the greens are suggesting raising taxes, so do you want to tell us about this? yes, on those with the broadest i shoulders, who can most afford it. it says the green party will therefore use rationing to reduce the amounts of meat and dairy food. i don't think rationing is going to be in our manifesto for the next five years. well, that you are, hugh, talk about campaigning, going the full hog. do you feel that green party might make a big breakthrough? they are targeting four seats particularly. i visited three of them in person. you saw me on the river, the river wye, north herefordshire, fantastic candidate there. mi north herefordshire, fantastic candidate there. : ., , ., candidate there. all candidates are available on _ candidate there. all candidates are available on the _ candidate there. all candidates are available on the bbc _ candidate there. all candidates are available on the bbc website, i candidate there. all candidates are | available on the bbc website, don't want to give individual plugs. there are four- -- — want to give individual plugs. there are four... let _ want to give individual plugs. there are four... let me _ want to give individual plugs. there are four... let me take _ want to give individual plugs. there are four... let me take this - are four... let me take this opportunity to pay tribute to caroline lucas because she has been a fantastic contributor to parliament. if we can get four like her in the next parliament, it will be more than four times as good.

caroline is the mp for brighton pavilion standing down this time, but the green party are hoping to hold on. . :, �* , but the green party are hoping to hold on. ,, ., : , :, but the green party are hoping to hold on. ,, . �* , :, :, :, hold on. sian berry will hold onto that seat triumphantly _ hold on. sian berry will hold onto that seat triumphantly i - hold on. sian berry will hold onto that seat triumphantly i am i hold on. sian berry will hold onto that seat triumphantly i am sure. i that seat triumphantly i am sure. caroline has had a bright and stick of rock with the word integrity written to it, fantastic contribution. four green mps could make an even bigger one. i am very excited. really enjoying being on the campaign trailand excited. really enjoying being on the campaign trail and i am wearing the campaign trail and i am wearing the flowery shirt of optimism today. we are going to see a labour government at the end of next week. no one knows that yet. i government at the end of next week. no one knows that yet.— no one knows that yet. i think it is re no one knows that yet. i think it is pretty much _ no one knows that yet. i think it is pretty much a _ no one knows that yet. i think it is pretty much a certainty. _ no one knows that yet. i think it is pretty much a certainty. since i no one knows that yet. i think it is pretty much a certainty. since the | pretty much a certainty. since the betting scandal, all of the main bookmakers, you cannot get even money on the tories getting more than 100 seats from ladbrokes, paddy power, quite telling. back to green party politics, i think it is very exciting to have a group who will properly press labour to do the right thing about the environment and be bolder i think, we need to be bolder in how we raise money to do it. the issue widely pointed out, the conspiracy of silence from both

parties on how they are going to pay full the changes we need to see. [10 full the changes we need to see. do ou full the changes we need to see. do you think people are really up for what the green party is putting on the table, paying significantly more tax if you are lucky enough to be at the top end of the spectrum, very significant changes to things, making it harder and more expensive for people to fly, in terms of going off forfamily holidays, for people to fly, in terms of going off for family holidays, not in the manifesto for now, but there is a proposal to have rationing on meat? as adrian correctly said, there is no rationing of anything in the green party manifesto. but i think people are excited about a transition to a greener economy and they understand that it takes really bold policies to achieve that. labour has deleted and deleted their offer to the public notjust on green policies but on how they will deliver reforms to front line services —— diluted. it sounds like

managed decline. in this very dodgy, i would say, saying it it will be paid for by growing the economy, we might have to wait a long time before labour has enough in the coffers to have any real change making a difference to the nhs, to housing, insulating homes, an urgent thing. just housing, insulating homes, an urgent thin _ . , ., , housing, insulating homes, an urgent thin. , ., ., thing. just as we have to with the politicians. _ thing. just as we have to with the politicians, we _ thing. just as we have to with the politicians, we want _ thing. just as we have to with the politicians, we want to _ thing. just as we have to with the politicians, we want to talk i thing. just as we have to with the politicians, we want to talk abouti politicians, we want to talk about the party you support rather than attacking rivals, but interesting to hear. everfancy attacking rivals, but interesting to hear. ever fancy swapping the kitchen for parliament? i hear. ever fancy swapping the kitchen for parliament? i have been en'o inc kitchen for parliament? i have been enjoying being _ kitchen for parliament? i have been enjoying being out _ kitchen for parliament? i have been enjoying being out on _ kitchen for parliament? i have been enjoying being out on the _ kitchen for parliament? i have been enjoying being out on the campaign| enjoying being out on the campaign trail. a, , enjoying being out on the campaign trail. , :, �*, enjoying being out on the campaign trail. ., �*, , , trail. maybe. harriet's eyebrows shootinu. trail. maybe. harriet's eyebrows shooting. privileged _ trail. maybe. harriet's eyebrows shooting. privileged position i i trail. maybe. harriet's eyebrows i shooting. privileged position i have been invited _ shooting. privileged position i have been invited to _ shooting. privileged position i have been invited to things _ shooting. privileged position i have been invited to things like - shooting. privileged position i have been invited to things like this i been invited to things like this commenting. i have been a campaigner for many years on environment and health and i do a lot of research and i look forward to a government pressed by some excellent green mps to make brilliant changes in food,

farming and environment. i to make brilliant changes in food, farming and environment.- to make brilliant changes in food, farming and environment. i think it is a maybe- — farming and environment. i think it is a maybe- very — farming and environment. i think it is a maybe. very interesting i farming and environment. i think it is a maybe. very interesting to i farming and environment. i think it| is a maybe. very interesting to hear about your views on the campaign trail. the context of all the conversations is a thumping poll lead for the labour party. arguably, polling, for good or ill, has shaped much of the campaign, but has there been much point in all the politicians chasing about the country? or going into thursday, is the position, essentially, stubbornly stuck? here's sirjohn curtice with 60 seconds on sunday. there's been better news for the conservatives this week — their support has stopped falling. but rishi sunak�*s party, on 20%, still trails labour, on 40%, by 20 points — exactly the same as at the start of the election. the rise in reform's support has also come to a halt, but at 17%, the party is still winning over one in four 2019 tory voters.

and rishi sunak�*s personal ratings are clearly worse than keir starmer�*s. meanwhile, the mega—polls still suggest conservative support is down most on 2019 in constituencies the party is defending. and as a result, these polls on average put the party on just 100 seats, while labour could win a record 450. the liberal democrats could get around 50. the snp, 18. reform, seven. and the greens, two. but there are still four days to go. forget about the blue and red team for a sec. this election could see the best combined performance for the smaller political parties in a long time. the lib dems, when they haven't been busy with campaigning stunts, have been knocking on doors in the hope of picking up dozens of seats, mainly trying to nab them from conservatives in more affluent areas. daisy cooper's their deputy leader. she's here, after

an eventful campaign. people watch what you're doing and they think you're not really taking this seriously. we're taking the voters' concerns really seriously. come on, my sweetheart. come on. this is a manifesto to save the nhs. daisy cooper, we will not ask why you have done the campaign, because the reason is to get people to talk about them and it has proven to be a success. let us talk about the issues. immigration. in the itv debate when you are asked as the lib dem representative if you thought immigration was too high, you put your hand up, we can show you the picture of what happened, why do you think it is too high?— think it is too high? immigration is forecast to come _ think it is too high? immigration is forecast to come down _ think it is too high? immigration is forecast to come down anyway i think it is too high? immigration is forecast to come down anyway but| think it is too high? immigration is i forecast to come down anyway but one of our manifesto pledges is around having a higher minimum wage for care workers and part of the reason

is in the last financial year 105,000 were given to care workers because the conservative government have not invested in domestic workforce and because they haven't done that we have had to bring in people from abroad. i5 done that we have had to bring in people from abroad.— people from abroad. is that when immigration _ people from abroad. is that when immigration is _ people from abroad. is that when immigration is too _ people from abroad. is that when immigration is too high, - people from abroad. is that when immigration is too high, too i people from abroad. is that when | immigration is too high, too many care workers from abroad? ianthem care workers from abroad? when --eole care workers from abroad? when people come _ care workers from abroad? when people come here _ care workers from abroad? when people come here and _ care workers from abroad? when people come here and they i care workers from abroad? ignn9:n people come here and they look care workers from abroad? lggn9:n people come here and they look after loved ones, i think we should welcome them with open arms but we need to have a sensible debate in this country about our economy and about the workforce we need. we believe when it comes to health and social care for example london that every other sector in economy, and every other sector in economy, and every other sector in economy, and every other sector in the economy, when you cannot get the skills here, you get them from abroad. who; when you cannot get the skills here, you get them from abroad.— when you cannot get the skills here, you get them from abroad. why do you think immigration _ you get them from abroad. why do you think immigration is _ you get them from abroad. why do you think immigration is too _ you get them from abroad. why do you think immigration is too high? - you get them from abroad. why do you think immigration is too high? you i think immigration is too high? you put your hand up in the itv debate. one of the reasons... it is going to come down anyway. who; one of the reasons... it is going to come down anyway.— come down anyway. why is it too hiuh, that come down anyway. why is it too high. that is _ come down anyway. why is it too high, that is your _ come down anyway. why is it too high, that is your quest -- i come down anyway. why is it too high, that is your quest -- my i high, that is your quest —— my question? why do you as a liberal

democrat, often very supportive of immigration, believe it is too high? because we are not investing in domestic workforce. if we invested in the domestic workforce, we would not need to have quite so many people coming here to do the jobs they are doing. when they come here, we should welcome them, how nhs and social care would be on the floor, on its knees, without people coming here from around the world. we have to invest in the domestic workforce as well as working with those who come here. as well as working with those who come here-— come here. you said it is too high and that means _ come here. you said it is too high and that means we _ come here. you said it is too high and that means we have - come here. you said it is too high and that means we have too - come here. you said it is too high| and that means we have too many people coming here from abroad and he would rather british workers were providing those jobs. he would rather british workers were providing thosejobs. but he would rather british workers were providing those jobs. but would be an appropriate level of immigration to you? our viewers will know legal migration has been over 600,000, it is forecast to come down, but what level would you like to see it at? we don't think there should be an artificial cap and these kind of unhelpful salary floor is the government have put in place. we need to work with every sector to work out what level of immigration they need. at the moment, we have

they need. at the moment, we have the worst of both worlds. i know from my area we have hospitality industry, the nhs, social care, engineering, they cannot get the people they need. from the uk or from abroad. we need to have the skills programme to make sure we can get a bit of both.— get a bit of both. people do want to know when — get a bit of both. people do want to know when you _ get a bit of both. people do want to know when you say _ get a bit of both. people do want to know when you say you _ get a bit of both. people do want to know when you say you think - know when you say you think immigration is too high, what level would be the right one? i immigration is too high, what level would be the right one?— would be the right one? i don't think ou would be the right one? i don't think you can — would be the right one? i don't think you can put _ would be the right one? i don't think you can put artificial- would be the right one? i don't think you can put artificial caps| would be the right one? i don't l think you can put artificial caps in place. if you want to have a dynamic economy, you need a dynamic immigration policy. that is why we are the only party talking about a higher minimum wage for care workers, £2 higher than the current minimum wage, so we can attract people back into the care sector, attract more people to become carers in the first place, and that would naturally reduce the number of people needed from abroad. you do want immigration _ people needed from abroad. you do want immigration to _ people needed from abroad. you do want immigration to full? _ want immigration to full? immigration is forecast to fall anyway. immigration is forecast to fall an a . �* ., ., immigration is forecast to fall an a. ., ., ., immigration is forecast to fall an a. ., ., anyway. but what do you want to see? you are asking — anyway. but what do you want to see? you are asking them _ anyway. but what do you want to see? you are asking them to _ anyway. but what do you want to see?

you are asking them to put _ anyway. but what do you want to see? you are asking them to put a - anyway. but what do you want to see? you are asking them to put a cross - you are asking them to put a cross in the box, labour does not want to put an arbitrary cap on either, previously they have said 200,000 would be a normal level, conservatives have said parliament would vote every year to put a cap on it, what number would you like to see? what proportion of a fall would you like to see? we see? what proportion of a fall would you like to see?— you like to see? we will not put an artificial number _ you like to see? we will not put an artificial number on _ you like to see? we will not put an artificial number on this. _ you like to see? we will not put an artificial number on this. what - artificial number on this. what matters is you have to work with every single sector in the economy to say, what do you need, what skills, what stuff? put in a skills plan to train up domestic workforce, we have fantastic policies in our manifesto about giving people a lifetime skills account to retrain and upskilled throughout their lifetime. as well as doing that, where there are gaps, we should bring people in from abroad, but it has to be dynamic. do bring people in from abroad, but it has to be dynamic.— bring people in from abroad, but it has to be dynamic. do you accept if ou fulfil has to be dynamic. do you accept if you fulfil your _ has to be dynamic. do you accept if you fulfil your long-term _ has to be dynamic. do you accept if you fulfil your long-term goal- has to be dynamic. do you accept if you fulfil your long-term goal of. you fulfil your long—term goal of rejoining the eu single market, it would mean freedom movement, meaning the government cannot control how many people come legally? immigration now is significantly higher than it was when we were in

the eu. let us be also very clear about the fact the single market is not on the table at the moment. the eu has not put it on the table... but it is your long—term goal. it is but it is your long-term goal. it is but it is not _ but it is your long-term goal. it is but it is not on _ but it is your long-term goal. it is but it is not on the _ but it is your long—term goal. it 3 but it is not on the table in but it is your long—term goal. it 1 but it is not on the table in this general election. what is on the table in this general election as a party, the lib dems, who want to renegotiate the botched brexit deal that has allowed the government to effectively undercut the farmers and wrap up small businesses with red tape. we are committed to renegotiating the botched brexit deal to make it work for small businesses and to have a youth mobility scheme so young people can once again work, travel and study abroad. ., ., ., ., abroad. freedom of movement for ounu abroad. freedom of movement for young people? _ abroad. freedom of movement for young people? the _ abroad. freedom of movement for young people? the youth - abroad. freedom of movement for young people? the youth mobility| young people? the youth mobility scheme would _ young people? the youth mobility scheme would be _ young people? the youth mobility scheme would be up _ young people? the youth mobility scheme would be up to _ young people? the youth mobility scheme would be up to 35 - young people? the youth mobility scheme would be up to 35 and - young people? the youth mobility l scheme would be up to 35 and allow young people to move around europe and it would be a good thing to rebuild ties. we and it would be a good thing to rebuild ties.— and it would be a good thing to rebuild ties. ~ . ., ,~' , ., rebuild ties. we have asked everyone this morning. — rebuild ties. we have asked everyone this morning, what _ rebuild ties. we have asked everyone this morning, what is _ rebuild ties. we have asked everyone this morning, what is the _ rebuild ties. we have asked everyone this morning, what is the one - this morning, what is the one mistake you think your party has made? i mistake you think your party has made? ., ., ., mistake you think your party has made? . ., ., , ., ., made? i have allowed ed davey to do too many stunts _ made? i have allowed ed davey to do too many stunts and _ made? i have allowed ed davey to do too many stunts and i _ made? i have allowed ed davey to do too many stunts and i have _ made? i have allowed ed davey to do too many stunts and i have not had . too many stunts and i have not had enough myself. too many stunts and i have not had enough myself-— too many stunts and i have not had enough myself. which is the one you would have liked _

enough myself. which is the one you would have liked to _ enough myself. which is the one you would have liked to do? _ enough myself. which is the one you would have liked to do? water- enough myself. which is the one you| would have liked to do? water slide? i should probably _ would have liked to do? water slide? i should probably have _ would have liked to do? water slide? i should probably have bagged - would have liked to do? water slide? i should probably have bagged a - i should probably have bagged a space at full part.— i should probably have bagged a space at full part. maybe you have 'ust about space at full part. maybe you have just about got _ space at full part. maybe you have just about got time _ space at full part. maybe you have just about got time before - space at full part. maybe you have just about got time before the - space at full part. maybe you havej just about got time before the end of the campaign to have a go on a roller—coaster. —— thorpe park. thank you forjoining us this morning. the lib dems hope they'll restore their position as the third biggest party in the commons and grab that back from the snp, who have been campaigning in scotland to hang on to their 43 commons seats. their main rivals are a resurgent labour party, but line one, page one of their manifesto is still scottish independence. 0njuly 4th, independence day, make sure your voice is heard. one, two, three! all: snp! it's not migration that's the problem. it's the fact that we need more people coming in. right, ending austerity. conspiracy of silence between the labour party and the conservative party. a conspiracy of silence about i the realities of their spending. conspiracy of silence. applause

and we can talk to stephen flynn, the party's leader at westminster. thank you forjoining us this morning. as we heard in that short tape, yourfavourite morning. as we heard in that short tape, your favourite tactic in this campaign has been to attack labour and the tories with that conspiracy of silence. that was a criticism from the independent number crunch as the iss saying that they are not telling the truth about all of their funding plans, but the iss also has a go at your plans, they say your plans for independence would mean higher borrowing and either significant tax rises or spending cuts if scotland was independent. what you say to them on that? i think what we would of course initially say to that is that when we are looking at this general election, there is that conspiracy of silence, £18 billion of public sector cuts which were agreed by both the labour party and the conservative party, a choice that they are making at this election. we of course oppose that. we believe there should be investment in public

services, investment in our nhs, and we need to get away from this race to the bottom one austerity that exist in westminster. it doesn't work, it has broken the fabric of society over the last 1a years. why keir starmer would want to continue with that, knowing the damage it has caused, is beyond me, and that is why we need scottish national party mps in westminster putting scotland's interests first. and when it comes to the iss, i don't know if you have noticed, but they also looked at the snp manifesto, and the £30 billion which we believe could go back into the treasury could be invested into public services as a result of rejoining our friends and neighbours in the european union, something which they deem to be reasonable. again, the labour party don't want to be in the single market, they don't want to be in the customs union, they don't want freedom of movement. we believe in something different, the snp believes in something different, and thatis believes in something different, and that is why people should put their faith in us. find that is why people should put their faith in us. �* ., , that is why people should put their faith in us. �* . , ., .,

faith in us. and as again, the viewers want _ faith in us. and as again, the viewers want us _ faith in us. and as again, the viewers want us to _ faith in us. and as again, the viewers want us to address l faith in us. and as again, the l viewers want us to address our questions to you not attack your opponents. you can try. the iss also says about your manifesto that you skirt around the issue, if you got independence as you desire, you would have much higher levels of borrowing, and again, they say if you get independence, which you so desire, you would have bigger borrowing and either significant tax rises or significant cuts. £31 rises or significant cuts. of course. — rises or significant cuts. of course. if _ rises or significant cuts. of course, if we were independent we would be in a situation where we could seek to invest in our economy, we could seek to invest in the net zero transition, it would allow us to compete with all of those other countries across the world, to use our resources for the benefit of the people of scotland. but our resources for the benefit of the people of scotland.— people of scotland. but hang on, stehen. people of scotland. but hang on, stephen- our— people of scotland. but hang on, stephen. our viewers _ people of scotland. but hang on, stephen. our viewers will - people of scotland. but hang on, stephen. our viewers will hear i people of scotland. but hang on, i stephen. our viewers will hear that stephen. 0ur viewers will hear that you are very happy to use the ifs to criticise your rivals with their independent and rigorous analysis, but when they turn the lens on your plans, you dismiss it. you are very happy to dish it out, but not to take it. i

happy to dish it out, but not to take it. ., happy to dish it out, but not to take it. . ., , ,, ., all. take it. i am not dismissing it at all. the take it. i am not dismissing it at all- they are _ take it. i am not dismissing it at all. they are a _ take it. i am not dismissing it at all. they are a respected - all. they are a respected institution, and i am wholly aware of what they have said. what i'm outlining is howl of what they have said. what i'm outlining is how i believe we can do things better and how we can grow our economy, and the way we want to grow our economy is in stark contrast to the way that the labour party and the conservative party do at westminster. we want to see that investment in net zero, we want to be part of the european single market. listening to daisy cooper there, we believe migration is unashamedly a good thing. scotland has a declining working age population, and we need people to come and work in scotland to allow businesses to grow and thrive, not just businesses but universities as well, one of the best productivity lines within scotland. the westminster consensus on these issuesis westminster consensus on these issues is for that not to happen. independence affords us the opportunity for that to happen. and when we look at austerity, when we look at brexit, we look at the cost of living crisis, all of those issues have been exacerbated or caused by decisions made in westminster. we believe that decisions for scotland should be

made in scotland by the people of scotland. i think that is a good starting point, and ultimately people in scotland have a decision to make at this election. that they want to send mps down to westminster who will sit quietly behind keir starmer, or do they want to send mps who will stand up to him on austerity, and brexit, on the cost of living crisis and on big foreign policy issues like gaza where it is the snp who have continued to lead the snp who have continued to lead the charge for a ceasefire and a recognition of the palestinian state. i recognition of the palestinian state. , ., , ., state. i will remind people that nobody knows _ state. i will remind people that nobody knows for _ state. i will remind people that nobody knows for sure - state. i will remind people that nobody knows for sure the - state. i will remind people that i nobody knows for sure the result state. i will remind people that - nobody knows for sure the result of the election, but we have asked all our politicians this morning to be honest for a moment about the campaign. can you tell us a mistake you think you've made? i campaign. can you tell us a mistake you think you've made?— you think you've made? i don't believe that _ you think you've made? i don't believe that i _ you think you've made? i don't believe that i have _ you think you've made? i don't believe that i have spent - you think you've made? i don't i believe that i have spent enough time in germany with the tartan army because of the election campaign, it was cut down to just one day! i wanted to be there for the full ten or 11 days, so that was the biggest mistake we made. they should have carted me off to germany for the duration. ii carted me off to germany for the duration. ., , .., ,, ., duration. if only we could pass a law that would _ duration. if only we could pass a law that would say _ duration. if only we could pass a law that would say that - duration. if only we could pass a law that would say that scotland j law that would say that scotland would never have quite such

adventures at the football as they did. stephen flynn, thank you very much forjoining us on our last sunday morning of this campaign. we have been fact checking the politicians. pat mcfadden told us that £300 off your energy bills is a good way of illustrating the benefit of transitioning to renewable energy. most energy experts agree the transition will, in the long run, be good for bills, but don't agree on exactly how much you might save. savings depend on what might happen to the fossil fuel bills you're replacing and how much decarbonisation costs — both of which are tricky to forecast. so in other words, you can't be sure of those statistics. rishi sunak told us he is "undeniably cutting taxes". and he is offering another cut to the rate of national insurance. but he's also sticking by plans to freeze the amount you can earn without paying any tax. putting it all together does mean less tax for average and higher earning employees, but means more tax for the lowest earning,

according to the independent analysts at the institute for fiscal studies. and of course there is more information on all of the facts and figures that politicians put forward on our website. that is it for our interviews of this campaign. only a few days to go until we will be here in this studio bringing you the election results. this is how we used to do it. archive footage: at alexandra | palace, studios a and b had been taken over by the election teams. before them lay one of the longest television transmissions made in this country. elections are a struggle for power — battles, if you like — and this one was at a time of the prime minister's choosing. and our view is it's going to be a hung parliament. this election is too close to call. tony blair is to be prime minister and a landslide is likely. it's going to be a hung parliament

with the conservatives as the largest party. laura, what do you make of it? well, david, if these numbers are correct, then theresa may has played a high—risk political game and it appears she may have lost her gamble. i don't know whose idea it was to put her on the tv! but here we all are years later, and we're going to do something that i hope will work. we will flick a switch and show you, this is how we are going to do it thursday night. there, it works, miraculously! and look who is here, clive myrie. clive will be with us on thursday night presenting the results programme. how are you preparing? aha, results programme. how are you preparing?— results programme. how are you preparing? a lot of reading, a lot of bonin: preparing? a lot of reading, a lot of boning up. _ preparing? a lot of reading, a lot of boning up, and _ preparing? a lot of reading, a lot of boning up, and it _ preparing? a lot of reading, a lot of boning up, and it is _ preparing? a lot of reading, a lot of boning up, and it isjust - preparing? a lot of reading, a lot of boning up, and it isjust going| of boning up, and it isjust going to be an incredible night. elections are amazing anyway, theyjust are. secondly, no incumbent has won an election from being so far behind in

the polls this close up to polling day. john major was 30 points behind labour running up to him calling the election, but the gap narrowed and narrowed. so for rishi sunak to pull it off would be amazing. but labour have not won an election since 2005, they haven't been in power since 2010. in fact, the queen passed away after 70 years on the throne with 15 conservative prime ministers and five labour prime ministers. it is something that labourjust do not do. they don't tend to win. so that'll amazing if keir starmer pulls it off. that'll amazing if keir starmer pulls it off-— that'll amazing if keir starmer ulls it off. �* . ., ., pulls it off. and harriet harman knows that _ pulls it off. and harriet harman knows that very _ pulls it off. and harriet harman knows that very well. _ pulls it off. and harriet harman knows that very well. how - pulls it off. and harriet harman knows that very well. how does pulls it off. and harriet harman l knows that very well. how does it feel to you this time, and do you have memories of that first election where you stood?— where you stood? yes, i do, and thins where you stood? yes, i do, and things are _ where you stood? yes, i do, and things are so _ where you stood? yes, i do, and things are so different _ where you stood? yes, i do, and things are so different now, - where you stood? yes, i do, and things are so different now, but| where you stood? yes, i do, and| things are so different now, but i feel there — things are so different now, but i feel there is a real sense. things are so different now, but i feelthere is a real sense. i things are so different now, but i feel there is a real sense. ifeel actually— feel there is a real sense. ifeel actually hope is literally on the street — actually hope is literally on the street now. people are coming up to me and _ street now. people are coming up to me and saying, will you be able to do it— me and saying, will you be able to do it this _ me and saying, will you be able to do it this time? sol

me and saying, will you be able to do it this time? so i feel very hopeful— do it this time? so i feel very hopeful about it, but nervous. and keir starmer— hopeful about it, but nervous. and keir starmer has _ hopeful about it, but nervous. situc keir starmer has sent hopeful about it, but nervous. 231.1. keir starmer has sent so hopeful about it, but nervous. 21c keir starmer has sent so many hopeful about it, but nervous. 2.1c keir starmer has sent so many times not to be complacent.— keir starmer has sent so many times not to be complacent. absolutely. we shouldn't be — not to be complacent. absolutely. we shouldn't be too _ not to be complacent. absolutely. we shouldn't be too confident, _ not to be complacent. absolutely. we shouldn't be too confident, and - not to be complacent. absolutely. we shouldn't be too confident, and if - shouldn't be too confident, and if we get _ shouldn't be too confident, and if we get in. — shouldn't be too confident, and if we get in, it is going to be very important — we get in, it is going to be very important that we don't do any celebrating, any triumphalism. there are big _ celebrating, any triumphalism. there are big problems in the country and we have _ are big problems in the country and we have to — are big problems in the country and we have tojust are big problems in the country and we have to just crack on. are big problems in the country and we have tojust crack on. i'm retiring, _ we have tojust crack on. i'm retiring, so— we have tojust crack on. i'm retiring, so i can be a bit light—hearted about it, but they will he — light—hearted about it, but they will be deadly serious. elected on thursday. — will be deadly serious. elected on thursday, on with the work on friday. — thursday, on with the work on friday, meanwhile i should be celebrating. friday, meanwhile i should be celebrating-— friday, meanwhile i should be celebratina. ., ., friday, meanwhile i should be celebratina. �* �* ., ., ., , celebrating. and brandon, what is it like when you _ celebrating. and brandon, what is it like when you are _ celebrating. and brandon, what is it like when you are a _ celebrating. and brandon, what is it like when you are a candidate - celebrating. and brandon, what is it like when you are a candidate and i like when you are a candidate and you getjust a couple of days before the election. you are part of david cameron's incoming crew in 2010. it is very different to do it when you are not— is very different to do it when you are not standing, _ is very different to do it when you are not standing, and _ is very different to do it when you are not standing, and retiring - is very different to do it when you| are not standing, and retiring too. you look— are not standing, and retiring too. you look like _ are not standing, and retiring too. you look like you _ are not standing, and retiring too. you look like you are _ are not standing, and retiring too. you look like you are having - are not standing, and retiring too. you look like you are having a - are not standing, and retiring too. i you look like you are having a great time! �* ., ., ., ~ ., ., ., time! brandon and i know when to go. do ou time! brandon and i know when to go. do you think — time! brandon and i know when to go. do you think it — time! brandon and i know when to go. do you think it is _ time! brandon and i know when to go. do you think it is time _ time! brandon and i know when to go. do you think it is time to _ time! brandon and i know when to go. do you think it is time to go? - time! brandon and i know when to go. do you think it is time to go? you - do you think it is time to go? you are a seniorfigure, do do you think it is time to go? you are a senior figure, do you think

that he should go?— are a senior figure, do you think that he should go? they need to sort it out and save _ that he should go? they need to sort it out and save the _ that he should go? they need to sort it out and save the world _ that he should go? they need to sort it out and save the world from - it out and save the world from america — it out and save the world from america and all of us from trump. and brandon?— america and all of us from trump. and brandon? thinking back to 2010 in those last — and brandon? thinking back to 2010 in those last few _ and brandon? thinking back to 2010 in those last few days, _ and brandon? thinking back to 2010 in those last few days, i _ and brandon? thinking back to 2010 in those last few days, i had - and brandon? thinking back to 2010 in those last few days, i had a - and brandon? thinking back to 2010 in those last few days, i had a seat l in those last few days, i had a seat that lahour— in those last few days, i had a seat that labour held, _ in those last few days, i had a seat that labour held, wasn't _ in those last few days, i had a seatl that labour held, wasn't necessarily expected _ that labour held, wasn't necessarily expected to — that labour held, wasn't necessarily expected to win _ that labour held, wasn't necessarily expected to win it, _ that labour held, wasn't necessarily expected to win it, your— that labour held, wasn't necessarily expected to win it, your heart - that labour held, wasn't necessarily expected to win it, your heart is- expected to win it, your heart is almost — expected to win it, your heart is almost in — expected to win it, your heart is almost in your— expected to win it, your heart is almost in your mouth _ expected to win it, your heart is almost in your mouth every - almost in your mouth every hour of every day _ almost in your mouth every hour of every day for — almost in your mouth every hour of every day for the _ almost in your mouth every hour of every day for the last _ almost in your mouth every hour of every day for the last few - almost in your mouth every hour of every day for the last few days. - almost in your mouth every hour of every day for the last few days. 0n| every day for the last few days. on the night, — every day for the last few days. on the night, that— every day for the last few days. on the night, that moment, _ every day for the last few days. on the night, that moment, i- every day for the last few days. on the night, that moment, ijust- every day for the last few days. 0n| the night, that moment, ijust went through— the night, that moment, ijust went through until — the night, that moment, ijust went through until ten _ the night, that moment, ijust went through until ten o'clock— the night, that moment, ijust went through until ten o'clock knocking i through until ten o'clock knocking on doors, — through until ten o'clock knocking on doors, knocking _ through until ten o'clock knocking on doors, knocking on— through until ten o'clock knocking on doors, knocking on doors, - through until ten o'clock knocking on doors, knocking on doors, in. on doors, knocking on doors, in every— on doors, knocking on doors, in every election. _ on doors, knocking on doors, in every election, that _ on doors, knocking on doors, in every election, that is - on doors, knocking on doors, in every election, that is how- on doors, knocking on doors, in every election, that is how i- on doors, knocking on doors, in. every election, that is how i work. but from — every election, that is how i work. but from ten — every election, that is how i work. but from ten o'clock— every election, that is how i work. but from ten o'clock when - every election, that is how i work. but from ten o'clock when the - every election, that is how i work. i but from ten o'clock when the polls close _ but from ten o'clock when the polls close until — but from ten o'clock when the polls close until you _ close until you start to get a sense of the count. — close until you start to get a sense of the count. it _ close until you start to get a sense of the count, it is _ close until you start to get a sense of the count, it is nothing - close until you start to get a sense of the count, it is nothing like - of the count, it is nothing like that — of the count, it is nothing like that. whatever— of the count, it is nothing like that. whatever happens, - of the count, it is nothing like - that. whatever happens, election night _ that. whatever happens, election night is _ that. whatever happens, election night is exhilarating. _ that. whatever happens, election night is exhilarating. there - that. whatever happens, election night is exhilarating. there is - night is exhilarating. there is something _ night is exhilarating. there is something about _ night is exhilarating. there is something about that - night is exhilarating. there is something about that buzz. night is exhilarating. there is i something about that buzz that night is exhilarating. there is - something about that buzz that can't touch _ something about that buzz that can't touch anything — something about that buzz that can't touch anything else. _ something about that buzz that can't touch anything else. so _ something about that buzz that can't touch anything else.— touch anything else. so you really do bang on _ touch anything else. so you really do bang on doors _ touch anything else. so you really do bang on doors all— touch anything else. so you really do bang on doors all the - touch anything else. so you really do bang on doors all the way - touch anything else. so you really do bang on doors all the way up i touch anything else. so you really. do bang on doors all the way up till ten o'clock? in do bang on doors all the way up till ten o'clock?— ten o'clock? in a local election once, i ten o'clock? in a local election once. i can — ten o'clock? in a local election once, i can remember- ten o'clock? in a local election | once, i can remember knocking ten o'clock? in a local election - once, i can remember knocking up a house _ once, i can remember knocking up a house with _ once, i can remember knocking up a house with four— once, i can remember knocking up a house with four people _ once, i can remember knocking up a house with four people at _ once, i can remember knocking up a house with four people at ten - once, i can remember knocking up a house with four people at ten to - house with four people at ten to ten, _ house with four people at ten to ten, drove — house with four people at ten to ten, drove them _ house with four people at ten to ten, drove them to— house with four people at ten to ten, drove them to the - house with four people at ten to ten, drove them to the polling i ten, drove them to the polling station — ten, drove them to the polling station to— ten, drove them to the polling station to vote, _ ten, drove them to the polling station to vote, and _ ten, drove them to the polling station to vote, and we - ten, drove them to the polling station to vote, and we won i ten, drove them to the polling i station to vote, and we won the ten, drove them to the polling - station to vote, and we won the seat by three _ station to vote, and we won the seat by three votes~ — station to vote, and we won the seat by three votes. 50 _ station to vote, and we won the seat by three votes-— by three votes. so it does make a difference will _

by three votes. so it does make a difference will stop _ by three votes. so it does make a difference will stop what - by three votes. so it does make a difference will stop what are - by three votes. so it does make a difference will stop what are you | difference will stop what are you going to do on election night? i will be on another channel watching the results coming. but we will see a change of government on thursday, i think. it is ok to be excited about that, even little celebrate, not triumphalist, i agree. and then we need to make sure that the next government does the right thing for the environment, the right thing for food and farming, the right thing for our kids so that they can eat well and learn well at school, because they were the ones who will because they were the ones who will be taking responsibility for the future of the country, and we owe it to them to give them everything they need. fir to them to give them everything they need. ., , ., ., ~ to them to give them everything they need. ., i. ., ~ i. need. or three of you, thank you so much for being _ need. or three of you, thank you so much for being with _ need. or three of you, thank you so much for being with us. _ need. or three of you, thank you so much for being with us. clive, - need. or three of you, thank you so | much for being with us. clive, thank you for coming in on a special final sunday of this election campaign. we remind everybody that there is no certainty about the result, never assume is the first rule of journalism, but it is a real moment in terms of anticipating that history will be made, whatever happens. history will be made, whatever ha--ens. �* , you can plot the night from the exit

poll, first indication of where things might be going, you get a sense then of the size of the swing, perhaps, and that can be used to extrapolate what might go one further down the line then, the first result, the first declaration. hopefully before midnight, give us something to talk about. then there was a little bit more of a lull, and thenit was a little bit more of a lull, and then it is a freight train, all the results come in, and we should be able to call it one way or the other around about half past four in the morning. 50 around about half past four in the mornin:. , , around about half past four in the mornin _ , , ., around about half past four in the mornin:. , , ., . ., morning. so plenty of excitement to come. morning. so plenty of excitement to come- thank — morning. so plenty of excitement to come. thank you, _ morning. so plenty of excitement to come. thank you, we _ morning. so plenty of excitement to come. thank you, we always - morning. so plenty of excitement to come. thank you, we always want i morning. so plenty of excitement to | come. thank you, we always want to give it the last word. stephen: "the prime minister refuses to accede that public services are in a complete mess and it feels that everything is broken" . andy: "defence and freedom of movement are top issues. labour have got no substance to anything that they say.w" sue: "i could have found rishi's interview very persuasive if the conservatives hadn't already

had 111 years to deliver!" a big thank you to all my guests today. and throughout this busy campaign, most of all, of course, thank you for your company, particularly in the last five weeks. we have endeavoured to raise the questions, check the facts and press for the answers from the politicians who are desperate for your votes. you know, in 2024, britain doesn't always feel like a country content with itself. so much has happened — the pandemic, the war in ukraine, we've left the eu, five different prime ministers in less than ten years, three different general elections in that time too. instability we're just not used to. but soon it is your moment to have your vital say about where you want to go next. it is fast approaching. everything you need to know is there for you across the bbc. you can watch back anything from our election specials on iplayer. and i hope very much you'lljoin me and clive and our colleagues across the country here on bbc one on thursday night. whatever happens, your

decisions will make history. and, of course, i'll be back with you next sunday. same time, same place.

this is bbc news. the headlines: voting is under way in the first round of france's parliamentary elections. speak this is the scene live at a polling station in paris. the un says conditions in the northern gaza strip are "unbearable" as fighting escalates. the israeli military says it has been fighting hamas militants in the shujaiya neighbourhood for three days with warplanes, tanks and drones. it's just four days to go until the uk general election with campaigning here entering its closing stages. the sunday times, one of britain's most prominent

right—wing newspapers, has this morning endorsed the centre—left opposition labour party.