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my all. but you have sent a this job my all. but you have sent a clear signal that the government of the united kingdom must change. and yours is the onlyjudgment that matters. celebrations for the liberal democrats, winning 71 seats, they become the third—largest party in the commons. in scotland, the snp are down to nine mps, losing dozens of seats to labour. the first minister concedes it has been a tough night his party. i minister concedes it has been a tough night his party.— tough night his party. i have decided... _ tough night his party. i have decided... boring! - tough night his party. i have decided... boring! hecklers| tough night his party. i have - decided... boring! hecklers disrupt a reform event _ decided... boring! hecklers disrupt a reform event at _ decided... boring! hecklers disrupt a reform event at the _ decided... boring! hecklers disrupt a reform event at the nigel - decided... boring! hecklers disrupt i a reform event at the nigel farage's party secures four seats and more than 4 million votes.
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hello to you, welcome to downing street. keir starmer made his first speech as uk's new prime minister. he said the work of change begins immediately and found a government of service, promising to rebuild the country brick by brick. the transfer of power started with rishi sunak giving a speech in which he apologised, saying he took responsibility for the tories worst electoral performance in modern times. he then delivered his resignation to the king at buckingham palace. it was followed by keir starmer, invited by the moniker to form a new government. withjust two out moniker to form a new government. with just two out of the 650 results still to be declared, labour has 412 seats to just 121 for the conservatives. the liberal democrats will have 71 mps in the new parliament, but the snp down to nine. reform, the greens and plaid
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cymru have four, sinn fein is the biggest party in northern ireland with sabin. we will bring you the action from overnight and the story of the day. we will look at what happens next as keir starmerforms his new government. how will labour govern, what does the mandate have and what next. what might they play in that over the coming weeks and months. nigel farage has promised what he is calling a political revolt is. we have had the first cabinet appointments, rachel reeves confirmed as chancellor of the exchequer. abed cooper is home secretary and david lambie as foreign secretary. angela rayner becomes deputy prime minister. let's start with keir starmer. he said this as a spur speech behind me in downing street.
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my my government will fight until you believe again. you have a government unburdened by doctrine, guided only by the determination to serve your interests, to fight quality those who have written our country. you have given us a clear mandate, and we will use it to deliver change. to restore service and respect to politics. and the era of noisy performance, tread more lightly on your lives, and unite our country. four nations standing together again, facing down, as we have so often in our past, the challenges of an insecure world. committed to a calm and patient rebuilding. so, with respect and humility, i invite
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you all to join this government of service in the mission of national renewal. ourwork service in the mission of national renewal. our work is urgent. and we begin it today. thank you very much. cheering there the new prime minister in his first speech in downing street. but he is keir starmer? let's talk to a man who knows him well, his former chief of staff. good to have you here. that's me put that to you, who is keir starmer, how will he govern? i think keir starmer has helped many people, he's been an enigma. even when i first started working for him, and i worked for him twice, i don't think i for the understood him right at the start. he keeps himself
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guarded, he protects his privacy of the family. what i came away with is a sense of someone who is one of the most determined people i know and has the seed you need to make things happen. there is an assumption sometimes that has him underrated and under estimated. but there are moments where he has to, he can reach in and find that ruthless streak, which i think is a necessity in a good leader. i think the type of rootedness matters. boris johnson's version was with self—interest, but keir starmer�*s is more passion but tempered with the ability to do the difficult thing is what you need to. i think that is the ideal alchemy to be a prime minister in the difficult times he inherits. he minister in the difficult times he inherits. . . minister in the difficult times he inherits. ., , ., ~ minister in the difficult times he inherits. ., ~ ., ., , inherits. he has talked already about needing _ inherits. he has talked already about needing to _ inherits. he has talked already about needing to make - inherits. he has talked already| about needing to make difficult decisions, tough choices on what happens next for the country.
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interesting you use the word ruthless. is he the man to make those difficult decisions? labour now has a big mandate, it has a massive majority to be able to deliver change. is he the man that can do it and make those difficult decisions you say we need as a country? decisions you say we need as a count ? . ~ . decisions you say we need as a count ? . ~ , ., �* country? yes, i think he is. i don't think you — country? yes, i think he is. i don't think you can _ country? yes, i think he is. i don't think you can take _ country? yes, i think he is. i don't think you can take a _ country? yes, i think he is. i don't think you can take a political - country? yes, i think he is. i don't think you can take a political partyj think you can take a political party from its worst defeat in 80 years to a significant 170 size majority in four and a half years unless you are willing, able to do tough things and follow them through and have a bit of pragmatism in how you get it done. ultimately, good government is about what works and keir is a very evidence—based politician. the conversation with him in the back room talking about getting things done, he says, what is the evidence,
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show me the facts. 0n the basis of those conversations, he is prepared to say that will work, let's go that way. i always think that is a great strength in a politician who can change their mind in the face of evidence. the ones who terrify me of the ones who are immune and plough one, liz truss. just the ones who are immune and plough one. liz truss-— one, liz truss. just a way of me, there's a — one, liz truss. just a way of me, there's a lot _ one, liz truss. just a way of me, there's a lot l — one, liz truss. just a way of me, there's a lot i want _ one, liz truss. just a way of me, there's a lot i want to _ one, liz truss. just a way of me, there's a lot i want to talk- one, liz truss. just a way of me, there's a lot i want to talk to - one, liz truss. just a way of me, there's a lot i want to talk to you j there's a lot i want to talk to you about. with me in downing street is our political correspondent. i want to talk about the appointment, we are getting a sense of what the government will look like. no surprises yet, but the work begins today. surprises yet, but the work begins toda . . . surprises yet, but the work begins toda . ., , , ., surprises yet, but the work begins toda. ., , ., today. that tells you about keir starmer's _ today. that tells you about keir starmer's style. _ today. that tells you about keir starmer's style. a _ today. that tells you about keir starmer's style. a lot _ today. that tells you about keir starmer's style. a lot of - today. that tells you about keir starmer's style. a lot of the - starmer's style. a lot of the cabinet member is had been in their departments for a number of years, many for a few years, getting to know their breed. if you think about the turnover of cabinet ministers,
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rotating pretty regularly, so there is an element of continuity for people we have seen through the door. i think the only person in the shadow cabinet we haven't seen was emily thornbury, but we don't know if she has been given a different role. she's the only person i think we haven't seen it walk up the street. there is a vacancy for culture secretary, said that posters have to be felt. john ashworth also had a role as shadow paymaster general. i don't think it will be felt today, so not really many ways for keir starmer to shake it up, but continuity. we have seen the new... the justice secretary continuity. we have seen the new... thejustice secretary on her way to her department. we have seen rachel reeves into the treasury, yvette cooper. she has an urgent issue on
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her hands. she will meet the tops of a severed i get to work. ii'ifli her hands. she will meet the tops of a severed i get to work.— a severed i get to work. i've never seen rivals — a severed i get to work. i've never seen rivals so _ a severed i get to work. i've never seen rivals so quick. _ a severed i get to work. i've never seen rivals so quick. there - a severed i get to work. i've never seen rivals so quick. there were i a severed i get to work. i've never| seen rivals so quick. there were no great surprises, labour laying out what it wants to do. what do we get a sense of the priorities? i was surprised _ a sense of the priorities? i was surprised by — a sense of the priorities? i was surprised by the _ a sense of the priorities? i was surprised by the rapid - a sense of the priorities? i was surprised by the rapid pace - a sense of the priorities? i was surprised by the rapid pace of, | surprised by the rapid pace of, there was a queue of ministers going in. we thought there would be one end, one out, they were all there for the same time. if you think about it, the reshuffles in recent years we have become accustomed to, there were arguments, people want and something else, resignations. no such thing here. everybody has done their policy area for quite awhile. the pace actually was not that
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surprising. they want to get straight on not only because they been hungry for power, but also to illustrate to people. they talked about these first steps in government, these broad emissions. but they clearly set out just before the election was called six first steps, visible things they want people to see that a labour government is doing in its thursdays. things like getting more nhs appointments by making staff work on weekends, new teachers. these are the tangible things they will focus on, and also the urgent priorities, the previous government's priorities, which there is. all the secondary states going in, they will get a briefing. this is an urgent to—do list and do that. they might, like shabana mahmood, have actually decisions to make. {line
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have actually decisions to make. one of the biggestjobs is chancellor, balancing booze, rachel reeves, the first female chancellor. she's been talking about there's not much money and she inherits an economy struggling at best.— and she inherits an economy struggling at best. she's got her work at out- _ struggling at best. she's got her work at out. that _ struggling at best. she's got her work at out. that has _ struggling at best. she's got her work at out. that has been - struggling at best. she's got her work at out. that has been her l work at out. that has been her expectation management for quite awhile, talking about the difficulty of the inheritance in advance and saying we will have to see what it is like. she was under no illusions of the scale of her challenge. now she is in there, i think you can hear a lot about. she has got to think about her first budget, we expected in the autumn, not in an emergency. she will be surveying the landscape and deliver her first autumn budget, a big fiscal events. the ideas on what she will spend money on it, what she will do with tax, what other forecasts? money on it, what she will do with tax, what otherforecasts? she has
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this huge task to things out. what everyone else want to do is tie to her, she gets to say yes or no at their policies go ahead.- their policies go ahead. leila, thank you _ their policies go ahead. leila, thank you for _ their policies go ahead. leila, thank you for now. _ their policies go ahead. leila, thank you for now. i - their policies go ahead. leila, thank you for now. i know - their policies go ahead. leila, j thank you for now. i know you their policies go ahead. leila, - thank you for now. i know you will stay here, but thank you for now. i want to take you back to some white, former chief of staff for keir starmer. thank you for your patience. you know him well. no great surprises in his cabinet, but they have to get to work. what do you make of his cabinet? the cabinet is as ou you make of his cabinet? the cabinet is as you exoect- _ you make of his cabinet? the cabinet is as you expect. we _ you make of his cabinet? the cabinet is as you expect. we did _ you make of his cabinet? the cabinet is as you expect. we did our- you make of his cabinet? the cabinet is as you expect. we did our huge - is as you expect. we did our huge reshuffle in november 2021 where it was described as the first time in a long time labour looks serious about government. putting its reformers and communicators there. in fact, since then there's only been a small amount of change. i know keir and
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rachel take stability as one of the tools in the weaponry to fix the economy, and some stability is a good thing. we have had five prime ministers, dozens ofjunior ministers, dozens of junior ministers, dozens ofjunior ministers, 1a housing ministers. there needs to be some stability. i don't think you can underestimate the importance. the amount of people and policy, corporation tax change 26 times, brexit uncertainty. it has made britain an investor bowl. 0ne made britain an investor bowl. one of the missions rachel has is if you can't get investment going, you won't get growth and productivity and improve life choices. it is a growth mission, that mission is built on investment, so make britain investor but again. that has to be the starting point. but the moment of concern, some of it won't be quick. the big challenge for the
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government, because i'm excited, you don't change government very often. i've been up all night, i still have my bracelet on, the political equivalent of your glastonbury bands. that excitement is tempered by the fact it is a mountain. the economy has never been as bad in my lifetime or anyone listening. you have debt of nearly 100%, the high stacks in 70 years, highest waiting list, crime up, small boats up, waiting list up, taxes up. all in the wrong direction. the public will have a big moment coming where they decide are we serious about giving a government the chance to fix this decade's with our problems, or will be get impatient and listen to the snake oil sales person? if they go
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down that route, but not give the government time to get to grips with it, this decade of renewal, we will end up back at the slide downwards and the false promises of the snake oil salespeople.— oil salespeople. thank you, former chief of staff _ oil salespeople. thank you, former chief of staff to _ oil salespeople. thank you, former chief of staff to keir _ oil salespeople. thank you, former chief of staff to keir starmer, - chief of staff to keir starmer, someone who knows him well. let's turn our attention to a bad night for the conservatives, a drubbing in that election. the big question, what happens next, what way will they turn as they try to rebuild? let's talk to the formerjustice secretary. good to have you here. that me start. what happens next for the conservatives?— the conservatives? there will clearly be _ the conservatives? there will clearly be a — the conservatives? there will clearly be a leadership - the conservatives? there will clearly be a leadership race. | the conservatives? there will i clearly be a leadership race. we don't quite know the timings. there are some bay questions for the concert party to confront. i hope they will take their time and not rush into any particularjudgments.
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there is clearly an argument bait which is look at the reform votes, they should be conservatives. i think there are some real risks in terms of going down that route. because you end up potentially alienating millions of other boaters that you need —— voters. what we have seen in this general election, just as we saw in 2010 with david cameron are before him, tony blair in 1997, is the opposition gets back into office by providing reassurance to the general public they are serious, they are responsible, they will govern from the centre ground, they aren't pursuing fringe views. that is what the conservative party will need to do it it is to recover. as i say, there will be a off to reform voters. i
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as i say, there will be a off to reform voters.— as i say, there will be a off to reform voters. ., ., _, ., ., reform voters. i want to come onto the reform — reform voters. i want to come onto the reform issue. _ reform voters. i want to come onto the reform issue. you _ reform voters. i want to come onto the reform issue. you talk - reform voters. i want to come onto the reform issue. you talk about i the reform issue. you talk about rebuilding and winning back the trust of voters. they will have to do it with new names. disastrous night, losing some of the biggest names, liz truss, jacob rees mogg all out overnight. this is not only them at a crossroads in terms of who them at a crossroads in terms of who the party is and what it stands for, but you touched on it. reform coming the other way, it feels like a crossroads in what the conservative party stands for and who it wants to appeal for. party stands for and who it wants to a- eal for. . party stands for and who it wants to a- ealfor. ., , party stands for and who it wants to auealfor. ., , , appeal for. that is right. the party is fi . htin: appeal for. that is right. the party is fighting for _ appeal for. that is right. the party is fighting for its _ appeal for. that is right. the party is fighting for its life. _ appeal for. that is right. the party is fighting for its life. it _ appeal for. that is right. the party is fighting for its life. it can - is fighting for its life. it can make some right decisions or wrong decisions. we have a very volatile electorates. get it right, look at how the labour party has recovered dramatically since 2019. there is many factors behind it. a change of leadership and approach was absolutely essential in it
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happening. the challenge of the conservative party, and this is generally difficult, is it support is not physically coherent. 0n the one hand it does have voters who are perhaps traditional pro—business, once careful management of the public finances, don't want taking risks, believe in institutions, want to engage with the outside world. on the other hand, the conservatives also attracted support in 2019 to the populist voters impressed by big promises are brexit and how levelling up would be easy. and shovelling resources in a particular direction. it is quite hard to have a coherent policy platform when you are appealing to all of these types of voters. it needs a lot of skill.
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and a fair degree of luck. frankly, the conservative government hasn't had any of that. to some extent, there does need to be a degree of greater coherence. fundamentally, what has done for the conservatives is the impression there is a lack of competence and a lack of integrity, and what the party has to do is establish it would, if it returned to government at some point, it would be able to govern competently, effectively and with integrity. and i think that points, frankly, towards non—overpromising, none of the bluster we have perhaps seen in recent years. but making realistic, deliverable promises which they can stick to. . . deliverable promises which they can stick to. , , ., ,. ., . stick to. yes, it is fascinating. we will discuss _ stick to. yes, it is fascinating. we will discuss that _ stick to. yes, it is fascinating. we will discuss that much _ stick to. yes, it is fascinating. we will discuss that much more - stick to. yes, it is fascinating. we i will discuss that much more through the coming hours and days as we get
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a sense of what the new labour government may be able to achieve in its first days in office. good to have you with us. quite clearly, lots of questions, and a large gap between the share of total votes won by each party and the share of the parliamentary seats has prompted and renewed calls for the reform of the electoral campaign. reform uk complained it had 4 million votes but only four mps. the greens have said they want to say a fairer system. we've been looking at the disparity between the poacher in the selection. it has found it is the largest in the selection —— the boat share. it largest in the selection -- the boat share. . . largest in the selection -- the boat share. .,, , ., , largest in the selection -- the boat share. , ., , ,., share. it has prompted complaints of unfairness between _ share. it has prompted complaints of unfairness between the _ share. it has prompted complaints of unfairness between the gaps - share. it has prompted complaints of unfairness between the gaps of- share. it has prompted complaints of| unfairness between the gaps of those one and the share of seats won. is it justified? one and the share of seats won. is itjustified? let's take a look. here are the votes of the party standing across the four nations.
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labour on 34%, the conservatives on 24%, reform on 14%, the lib dems on 12%, and the greens on 7%. here are their shares of the 650 house of common seats. labour gets a much larger share of the seat than it does of the votes, almost twice the share. look at some of the smaller parties. reform got 14% of the votes but only 1% of the seats. the greens got 7% of the votes but only 1% of the seats. darren mind this is how the seats. darren mind this is how the uk's first past the post system works, it can give disproportionate votes relative to systems in some other countries. first past the post means the person with the largest number of votes in each consultancy get selected and candidates from other parties get nothing for their boots in that area. but how does portion it has this result been to
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previous elections? —— how disproportionate. it shows the shares of the party that won the most seats in each election since 1997. this is 2024 at the end. how does this gap in 2024 between the vote share in the suture compare historically? let's go all the way back to 1922. this shows the 2020 for gap, 30 percentage points. it is bigger than every uk election going back 100 years. does this show the system is unfair? it is important to note political parties have to campaign within the voting system as it is, and labour says it put its resources into setting seats to maximise its chances of winning a large number of seats, rather than boosting its overall vote share. it is right to recognise voters may vote differently if the system was more proportional. by the way, a plan to replace the current first past the post system with a
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different system which advocates that would make results more proportional to the national share cast was rejected by the public pretty compatibly in a 2011 referendum. will there be an appetite for another national debate? let's see.— appetite for another national debate? let's see. some of those rurowin debate? let's see. some of those growing calls _ debate? let's see. some of those growing calls for— debate? let's see. some of those growing calls for a _ debate? let's see. some of those growing calls for a reform - debate? let's see. some of those growing calls for a reform of - debate? let's see. some of those growing calls for a reform of the l growing calls for a reform of the electoral system. we have talked about the conservatives, labour and reform, but it was a great night for the lib dems, winning 71 seats. that talk to the treasury spokesperson and an mp for richmond. the liberal democrats returning to parliament as the third largest party. it was a great night for you, wasn't it? it was, added exceeded all our expectations. we've had our eyes aren't making seat gains, we wanted to get the status as third—party. we
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never dream to another wildest dreams we would be winning 71 seats and the return to parliament with the largest ever numbers of lib dems mps. we're already excited and i can't wait to get to parliament and to meet my new colleagues. there was a lot of humour— to meet my new colleagues. there was a lot of humour along _ to meet my new colleagues. there was a lot of humour along the _ to meet my new colleagues. there was a lot of humour along the lib _ to meet my new colleagues. there was a lot of humour along the lib dems - a lot of humour along the lib dems campaign, resort and a lot of humour along the lib dems campaign, resortand dvd a lot of humour along the lib dems campaign, resort and dvd doing stunts. it felt like the messages got through —— we saw ed davey. it was about fun and reminding people of the key issues. an assumption that strategy work for you. i think it is riuht. that strategy work for you. i think it is right. there _ that strategy work for you. i think it is right. there was _ that strategy work for you. i think it is right. there was some - it is right. there was some criticism of ed davey and some of his stunts, falling of the paddle board or coming down a water slide. but the point of doing them is to really emphasise some of the messages we wanted to get across in an eye—catching way. i think the public engage with it, they like seeing him giving things a go,
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committing to it and having fun, but they got to see the more suicide. he opened up about his experiences of a carer to his mother as a teenager and now currently to his son. it showed he understood some of the pressures families, particularly those who care for loved ones, those families are undergoing. i think people related to it and they found it engaging. we have seen his approval ratings, his was the only approval ratings, his was the only approval ratings, his was the only approval rating to increase in the campaign. ithink approval rating to increase in the campaign. i think the number of seats we won yesterday really shows how that campaign landed with the public. how that campaign landed with the ublic. ,., ., ., how that campaign landed with the ublic. ., ., ~ how that campaign landed with the ublic. ., ., ,. ., ., ,. public. good to talk to you. thank ou for public. good to talk to you. thank you for being _ public. good to talk to you. thank you for being here. _ public. good to talk to you. thank you for being here. coverage - you for being here. coverage continuing here on bbc news. this is a view across a rather stormy westminster this afternoon. it is
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rather stormy, the umbrellas are out in downing street. the weather is largely playing ball through the day, but it seems the skies have darkened and the rain is coming down. but we will persevere nonetheless. that talk about what labour may be able to deliver both business because we know growth is a key strategy for both the new prime minister and his new chancellor. they are putting a lot of faith in growing the economy to solve some of the problems. that talk to the green energy entrepreneur and a labour party donor. that's talk about business because rachel reeves certainly getting business on side in this campaign. she spent a lot of time wooing businesses and leaders. what is it business wants to see from this government? thea;r what is it business wants to see from this government? they have wanted some _ from this government? they have wanted some consistency, - from this government? they have wanted some consistency, not. from this government? they have i wanted some consistency, not policy u—turns. we haven't been a business
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friendly environment for a while. as a green business person, i want to see progress on the green economy, which is the biggest chance since the industrial revolution. and which is the biggest chance since the industrial revolution. and what does a labour _ the industrial revolution. and what does a labour government - the industrial revolution. and what does a labour government need . the industrial revolution. and what does a labour government need to | does a labour government need to deliver for you? does a labour government need to deliverfor you? what does a labour government need to deliver for you? what would does a labour government need to deliverfor you? what would make does a labour government need to deliver for you? what would make a difference? i deliver for you? what would make a difference? ., ., , difference? i am more interested in what it delivers _ difference? i am more interested in what it delivers for _ difference? i am more interested in what it delivers for the _ difference? i am more interested in what it delivers for the country. - what it delivers for the country. top of my mind is lower energy bills, and this is what energy independence can bring. we can free ourselves from global fossil fuel markets, and this roller—coaster of energy prices which comes around periodically. we are still in an energy crisis now with bills 50% higher than they should be. we need to sort that out. we higher than they should be. we need to sort that out.— to sort that out. we know those are big infrastructure _ to sort that out. we know those are big infrastructure projects. - to sort that out. we know those are big infrastructure projects. it - to sort that out. we know those are big infrastructure projects. it is - big infrastructure projects. it is structural reform of how the energy industry works. it takes time, and people struggling with fuel poverty don't have that time. are there
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quicker solutions? don't have that time. are there quickersolutions? how don't have that time. are there quicker solutions? how would you change our relationships with big oil and renewables? it change our relationships with big oil and renewables?— oil and renewables? it will take time to deliver. _ oil and renewables? it will take time to deliver. there - oil and renewables? it will take time to deliver. there are - oil and renewables? it will take| time to deliver. there are some quick things, we propose to macro a year ago. we need to cap the price of north sea gas, allow them to make a profit but don't allow their price to follow the global market. that drove our bills up. we cannot 5 billion of our bills and break the link in the energy market between the price of gas and all other forms of electricity. break the link, another 5 billion comes of our bills. and then boost solar and wind energy in the system, sorry, i'm lost for words. presumption of favour for the schemes because they are important. we need public money
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to build onshore wind and get to 100% green energy if we do that. we know rachel reeves is the new chancellor, the first female chancellor. she has talked about the difficulty of the country's finances. you run a business, you know it is difficult. where should she start, where is her priority? it is about growth but putting expectation on getting the economy growing. what if it doesn't happen? we take those changes, 10 billion comes of our bills, money in people's pockets. let's get building, we need no public money for it. we can borrow money for things that a tone debt and interest. labourshould things that a tone debt and interest. labour should look at them interest. labour should look at them in the green energy secretary. that's my field of expertise. the green economy offers us this massive opportunity. everyone pounds we invest will give us 2.5 times the
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gdp growth and jobs. that area should be used. we should be transitioning down to zero fossil fuels and into renewable energy. thank you very much. with the challenge ahead for the country with a new government and cabinet. welcome if you'rejust joining us. live from downing street. we are continuing to bring you coverage ofan of an eventful day here in downing street and ask some of the questions about what happens next. but it really has been a night of high emotion. an election night no other. with all of the details on how it unfolded, here's our political correspondent helen cat. after weeks of caution and restraint, some undisguised joy on the face of the new prime minister. her keir starmer arrived in downing street with his wife
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victoria stopping to greet supporters and those who have helped him get here. before walking to the lectern to speak to the country. whether you voted labour or not, in fact, especially if you did not, i say to you directly, my government will serve you. we change the labour party returned to service and that is how we will govern. country first, party second. in less than five years, sir keir starmer has taken his party from serious defeat to a landslide victory. last night, seat after seat fell to labour with more than 400 going red. they did lose a handful of seats. the former leader, jeremy corbyn beat his old party in islington north.
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the shadow minister, jonathan ashworth, on the left here, was among those who lost to independents who supported the palestinian cause. but in the main, labour steam—rolled their way through at the expense of the conservatives. they claimed the seats of big tory names like the commons leader penny mordaunt, the former business secretary jacob rees—mogg, the defence secretary grant shapps and even just sidling into view here a former prime minister, liz truss. i hereby declare that rishi sunak is duly elected. her successor won his seat, but his face said it all. for the tories it hadn't rained — it had poured, 250 losses. rishi sunak, with his wife akshata murty, walked out into downing street for the last time as prime minister this morning to apologise. to the country, i would like to say first and foremost, i am sorry. i have given thisjob my all, but you have sent
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a clear signal that the government of the united kingdom must change, and yours is the only judgment that matters. i have heard your anger, your disappointment, and i take responsibility for this loss. to all the conservative candidates and campaigners who work tirelessly but without success, i am sorry that we could not deliver what your efforts deserved. a big cause of trouble for the tories was reform uk. it won four seats, but cost the conservatives many more 21,225. it won four seats, but cost the conservatives many more. its leader, nigel farage, was elected as an mp on his eighth attempt in clacton. believe me, folks, this isjust the first step of something i that is going to stun all of you. the liberal democrat leader ended the night with the same exuberance with which he'd campaigned.
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a staggering comeback took them from 11 seats in 2019 to more than 70 this time, making them once again the third party in westminster. it's been fantastic. it's been a record breaking night. this is a historic step forward for the liberal democrats. we will now be the largest third party force in parliament for over 100 years, and i think our positive campaign resonated with people, particularly putting health and care right at the centre. the greens hit a historic high, too, quadrupling their seats from one in brighton pavilion to four, including bristol central, won by their co—leader carla denyer. phew. a result that seemed to be almost overwhelming. bristol, you made history today. together, together we did it. we elected our city's first green mp.
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also coming out of this election with more seats, again, four of them plaid cmyru in wales. it is the party that has that positive vision for wales that you don't get from other parties. a shock in northern ireland as jim allister of the traditional unionists defeated ian paisley junior and sinn fein now have the most mps here in scotland. the snp were the big losers. they saw their seat tally slashed from more than 40 to just nine. it goes without saying that last night was an incredibly tough night for the scottish national party, and i am very sorry to be losing so many able members of parliament and candidates who were unsuccessful. it's been an incredible night for the man who's changed the labour party and has promised the country he'll do the same. helen catt, bbc news, westminster. asa as a new prime minister enters the
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door behind me in downing street, the old one is back in his constituency. ijust want i just want to show you the latest pictures we have of rishi sunak making his way back to his constituency in north yorkshire. holding onto that seat of course. but that means he avoided becoming the first sitting prime minister to lose his place in parliament. very brief pictures there but suggesting he has had a pretty busy day for being here in downing street this morning as he made his farewell, arriving back in north yorkshire. let's talk about what we have seen so far today. joining me now is gabriel pogrund, who is whitehall editor for the sunday times. first let's begin with the new cabinet appointments we are getting a sense of the shape of what keir starmer's government will look like, no great surprises but run through what we know so far.— what we know so far. starmer was clear that he _ what we know so far. starmer was clear that he was _ what we know so far. starmer was clear that he was clear _ what we know so far. starmer was clear that he was clear that - what we know so far. starmer was clear that he was clear that he - what we know so far. starmer was| clear that he was clear that he was going to preserve the core team he
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had in the shadow government, he has the idea that he wants at the ground running and we heard today that governing is not a switch that can be flipped. it will not happen overnight, but to deliver on his missions he is sometime told the people around him, you will be in the whitehall department so surprising news of angela rayner of deputy and levelling up department which in an interesting twist keeps its name the borisjohnson philosophy, still the name of the department. first female chancellor, rachel reeves, wes streeting and health, there are essentially, we have had no major chains and so far. david lammy was subject to days of speculation, never oxygenated by the people around the party, but these things get legs and i was told last night that that was nonsense and so to prove the rule? now is that culture sectary role and losing her
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seatin culture sectary role and losing her seat in bristol west and there has been some chatter about whether emily thornberry can switch from her role i suspect that will be confirmed in the coming minutes. when overnight surprise ofjonathan ashworth losing his seat, clear frustration for him given the work he has done within the party to loose his seats the night before his party enters number ten. john ashworth _ party enters number ten. john ashworth as — party enters number ten. john ashworth as well— party enters number ten. john ashworth as well as _ party enters number ten. john ashworth as well as one - party enters number ten. john ashworth as well as one of- party enters number ten. irrri�*i ashworth as well as one of the hand full of people on the team of sir keir who had experience in government and visor to gordon brown when he was prime minister, and that was the extent to which he had been at the heart of the new labour years and they had been hoping as paymaster general that he would be a safe pair of hands and sage advice from the table but he fell foul of this trend which i think exceeded and clips with the party was braced for in the terms of independent candidates. a lot has been made of reform uk coming in second place and the remarkable number of dozens of constituencies up and down the
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country many of them and what we would could traditionally call labour hot lens but don't ignore the number of independents who from a very different and of labour's boat and coalition has posed challenges and coalition has posed challenges and we saw wes streeting, he got in by 500 or so votes, extraordinary numbers. sir keir�*s own boat in his own constituency going down and i was looking for any price on that i cannot find since thatcher and harry lawson so it is unusual for a pm to come into office in that situation but it illustrates a real threat posed by independent candidates many running on the end issue of gotze and john ashworth will be the personification of that. —— of gaza. i think the ports with north was a big subplot and form of independent candidates overnight.— big subplot and form of independent candidates overnight. reform proving to be a real problem _ candidates overnight. reform proving to be a real problem for _ to be a real problem for conservatives overnight with their
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four seats. we know nigel farage has said labour is very much in his sights now, he wants to be the official opposition in his words. what will sir keir do and how can labour consider that threat from her form? to change anything? it’s form? to change anything? it's fascinating- _ form? to change anything? it's fascinating. it _ form? to change anything? it�*s fascinating. it does not necessarily change the house of commons or the parliamentary arithmetic, what a changes is you have a single orator, this guy who gift of rhetoric and campaigning are even by his adversities, it accepted as formidable in the house of commons in pmqs beating thejump for that migration issue. sir keir, just as he has done for the economy, has served to convert migration into a strength. we saw the mp in dover but his predecessor defecting just before the election, but migration is a big issue with the labour party is a big issue with the labour party is desperate to see off not only the tory prep and now from reform uk as well. sir keir says one of his first
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big six steps to setting up this new border security command but also is welcome one thing you can expect to see is this has been an issue in which labour have ignored and when they have that they have done in a way which has been seen as gimmicky. ed miliband had his migration mark, sir keir you would expect to see him talk while this a lot. he will not hope that the salience will fall and not just talk about the economy. he does want to deal with this and that is both channel crossings but also the wider theme of net migration. he knows in this extraordinary circumstance where it borisjohnson one this mandate to address this issue and it is an issue which the right owns, as a progressive party, not least giving on what is going on in france and germany and is unusual for a progressive leader to come into power and say, i'm going to be the guy to deal with that. as you say, nigel farage has taken a baseball bat to the tories saying he will do the same to labour. with some justification, will do the same to labour. with somejustification, sing a will do the same to labour. with some justification, sing a few moments ago about the number of seats where labour have come first but reform has come second, there is
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a whole strip in the north east of almost 20 seats where not reform in northumberland down to hartlepool have done exceptionally well and sir keir knows if he will win again, he needs to address the foundational concern. . , needs to address the foundational concern. ., , ., concern. certainly that fuelling the claims from _ concern. certainly that fuelling the claims from nigel _ concern. certainly that fuelling the claims from nigel farage - concern. certainly that fuelling the claims from nigel farage of - concern. certainly that fuelling the claims from nigel farage of a - concern. certainly that fuelling the l claims from nigel farage of a reform of the electoral system. thank you for now i think it may finally be safe to take the umbrellas down here in downing street. we will see how we go. the weather not looking great for the rest of the day. let's assess what happens last night and having lost to 250 seats. the conservative party will be doing plenty of soul—searching in the days and weeks ahead. use questions for them about happens next. joining me now is the party's former mp, nigel evans, who lost his seat to labour last night by a few hundred votes. also, lord andrew cooper, who worked for david cameron before quitting the party over brexit and lucia hodgson, who used to work for borisjohnson
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and is now in public affairs. really good to have all of you with us. nigel, let's start with you because it was a disastrous thing for so many of your colleagues. today, downing street looks very different, does not? it today, downing street looks very different, does not?— different, does not? it certainly does. a political _ different, does not? it certainly does. a political synonymy - different, does not? it certainly does. a political synonymy it i different, does not? it certainly. does. a political synonymy it has been called and i think synonymy is too mild a term for what happened last night. the tories down to 121 seats and it was an almost 600 by elections took place last night with huge swings. —— tsunami. my majority was 18,000 overturned to be labour to just was 18,000 overturned to be labour tojust under 1000 was 18,000 overturned to be labour to just under 1000 majority. was 18,000 overturned to be labour tojust under 1000 majority. a lot of it responsible where the sit at home tories. my turnout was 5% lower. that certainly cost me deceit. also, what i call the silent snipers. these were the reform party who put up candidates, did not campaign in the seat whatsoever, but one leaflet out and yet still
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managed to amass it and a half thousand votes in my sister and see. three quarters of them would have been former conservatives and that definitely cost me my seat —— in my constituency. i will not believe sit at home tories or silent sniper reformers because quite frankly, i cannot blame people for losing trust with my party because we did not deliver on the promises we said we would. he cannot have three prime ministers in a parliamentary term and be taking seriously. and of course we was said we would deliver on promises like immigration, we probably —— have not properly control our borders and we have not had a plane taking off with anyone to rwanda. so we let the public soundin to rwanda. so we let the public sound in so many ways and now we have to establish the trust with the people once again. we have an opportunity now, because it was once said after the 1997 general election, we don't have to refuel in mid air any election, we don't have to refuel in mid airany more, election, we don't have to refuel in mid air any more, we can refuel on the ground. with a much depleted
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representation at westminster, but at least once they have elected the new chair of the 1922, they can get on with selecting the new leader of the party and i hope theyjust choose somebody with some vision who can establish the trust again with the public. i can establish the trust again with the ublic. . ., can establish the trust again with the ublic. ., ., , ., the public. i want to put that ruestion the public. i want to put that question to _ the public. i want to put that question to lord _ the public. i want to put that question to lord andrew - the public. i want to put that - question to lord andrew cooper. michael evans makes the point that people just did not believe the conservatives could deliver and do not believe the plan that rishi sunak said, stick with it, it is working, certainly it seems they did not believe him last night. but is there a fundamental problem? looking at turnout, once again very low. that speaks to a distrust of the wider public and what politicians are able to deliver, does not? i think that's right. when we see cynicism — think that's right. when we see cynicism growing in this country, very— cynicism growing in this country, very striking indeed in the general election_ very striking indeed in the general election yesterday that we saw the lowest _ election yesterday that we saw the lowest ever combined vote for the two main — lowest ever combined vote for the
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two main parties. the lowest previous— two main parties. the lowest previous was 67% in 2010, 70 7% in the last— previous was 67% in 2010, 70 7% in the last in_ previous was 67% in 2010, 70 7% in the last in the 82% and before that. the public. — the last in the 82% and before that. the public, the voters are moving away— the public, the voters are moving away from — the public, the voters are moving away from both of the mainstream parties _ away from both of the mainstream parties because they feel that they are let _ parties because they feel that they are let down. they look at the conservative party and saw a party that seem — conservative party and saw a party that seem selfish, divided and corrupt— that seem selfish, divided and corrupt and lost its way. not delivering what it has promise. and of course _ delivering what it has promise. and of course more fundamentally a party that seems— of course more fundamentally a party that seems to have lost a sense of identity. _ that seems to have lost a sense of identity, lots of voters for the conservative party think it isjust a divided — conservative party think it isjust a divided mass obsessed with itself and so _ a divided mass obsessed with itself and so narrow agendas in does not believe _ and so narrow agendas in does not believe in — and so narrow agendas in does not believe in anything any more. i think— believe in anything any more. i think people don't know what conservative party believes in and i'm conservative party believes in and l'rn not— conservative party believes in and i'm not sure that you either. that, a key issue — i'm not sure that you either. that, a key issue and — i'm not sure that you either. that, a key issue and nigel— i'm not sure that you either. that, a key issue and nigel evans - i'm not sure that you either. that, j a key issue and nigel evans saying they are, this is the ability to now take the plane out of the sky, fix the plane, refuel and launch again. i wonder what it will relaunch
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conservative party would look like a mum who leads it, what does it stand for and how does it take on reform? i think the next couple of weeks will be — i think the next couple of weeks will be key— i think the next couple of weeks will be key for— i think the next couple of weeks will be key for figuring - i think the next couple of weeks will be key for figuring out - i think the next couple of weeks| will be key for figuring out some i think the next couple of weeks i will be key for figuring out some of the answers— will be key for figuring out some of the answers to _ will be key for figuring out some of the answers to those _ will be key for figuring out some of the answers to those questions - will be key for figuring out some of| the answers to those questions and will be key for figuring out some of. the answers to those questions and i think. _ the answers to those questions and i think. if— the answers to those questions and i think. if you — the answers to those questions and i think, if you look _ the answers to those questions and i think, if you look at _ the answers to those questions and i think, if you look at the _ think, if you look at the different directions— think, if you look at the different directions of— think, if you look at the different directions of the _ think, if you look at the different directions of the party— think, if you look at the different directions of the party but - think, if you look at the differentl directions of the party but it could io directions of the party but it could go in, _ directions of the party but it could go in. there — directions of the party but it could go in, there will— directions of the party but it could go in, there will be _ directions of the party but it could go in, there will be a _ directions of the party but it could go in, there will be a lot - directions of the party but it could go in, there will be a lot of- go in, there will be a lot of work to convince _ go in, there will be a lot of work to convince different _ go in, there will be a lot of work. to convince different factions that going _ to convince different factions that going either— to convince different factions that going either lurching _ to convince different factions that going either lurching to— to convince different factions that going either lurching to the - to convince different factions that going either lurching to the rightl going either lurching to the right as it's _ going either lurching to the right as it's often _ going either lurching to the right as it's often referred _ going either lurching to the right as it's often referred to - going either lurching to the right as it's often referred to or- as it's often referred to or sticking _ as it's often referred to or sticking to _ as it's often referred to or sticking to a _ as it's often referred to or sticking to a centre—rightl as it's often referred to or- sticking to a centre—right grounds, we will— sticking to a centre—right grounds, we will see — sticking to a centre—right grounds, we will see these _ sticking to a centre—right grounds, we will see these arguments - sticking to a centre—right grounds, we will see these arguments playl sticking to a centre—right grounds, i we will see these arguments play out once the _ we will see these arguments play out once the i922 — we will see these arguments play out once the 1922 has _ we will see these arguments play out once the 1922 has been _ we will see these arguments play out once the 1922 has been reformed - we will see these arguments play out once the 1922 has been reformed and mps determine — once the 1922 has been reformed and mps determine a _ once the 1922 has been reformed and mps determine a timetable. - once the 1922 has been reformed and mps determine a timetable. so- once the 1922 has been reformed and mps determine a timetable. so i- mps determine a timetable. sol think— mps determine a timetable. sol think you — mps determine a timetable. sol think you can— mps determine a timetable. sol think you can expect _ mps determine a timetable. sol think you can expect to - mps determine a timetable. sol think you can expect to see - mps determine a timetable. so ii think you can expect to see some clarity— think you can expect to see some clarity in — think you can expect to see some clarity in the _ think you can expect to see some clarity in the run _ think you can expect to see some clarity in the run up _ think you can expect to see some clarity in the run up to— think you can expect to see some clarity in the run up to probably i think you can expect to see somel clarity in the run up to probably be party— clarity in the run up to probably be party conference _ clarity in the run up to probably be party conference towards - clarity in the run up to probably be party conference towards the - clarity in the run up to probably be party conference towards the end i clarity in the run up to probably be i party conference towards the end of september~ — party conference towards the end of september~ i— party conference towards the end of september. ithink— party conference towards the end of september. i think with _ party conference towards the end of september. i think with the - party conference towards the end of september. i think with the loss - party conference towards the end of september. i think with the loss of| september. i think with the loss of seats— september. i think with the loss of seats or— september. i think with the loss of seats or mps — september. i think with the loss of seats or mps like _ september. i think with the loss of seats or mps like penny _ september. i think with the loss ofj seats or mps like penny mordaunt, there _ seats or mps like penny mordaunt, there is— seats or mps like penny mordaunt, there is a _ seats or mps like penny mordaunt, there is a real— seats or mps like penny mordaunt, there is a real question— seats or mps like penny mordaunt, there is a real question over- seats or mps like penny mordaunt, there is a real question over who. there is a real question over who may— there is a real question over who may be _ there is a real question over who may be able _ there is a real question over who may be able to _ there is a real question over who may be able to bring _ there is a real question over who may be able to bring together. there is a real question over who may be able to bring together ai there is a real question over who- may be able to bring together a more centrist _ may be able to bring together a more centrist party — may be able to bring together a more centrist party and _ may be able to bring together a more centrist party and now, _ may be able to bring together a more centrist party and now, of— may be able to bring together a more centrist party and now, of course, - centrist party and now, of course, with the _ centrist party and now, of course, with the success _ centrist party and now, of course, with the success of _ centrist party and now, of course, with the success of nigel - centrist party and now, of course, with the success of nigel farage i centrist party and now, of course, i with the success of nigel farage in the win_ with the success of nigel farage in the win of— with the success of nigel farage in the win of his _ with the success of nigel farage in the win of his seat, _ with the success of nigel farage in the win of his seat, that— with the success of nigel farage in
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the win of his seat, that will- with the success of nigel farage in the win of his seat, that will be - the win of his seat, that will be hovering — the win of his seat, that will be hovering over _ the win of his seat, that will be hovering over them, _ the win of his seat, that will be hovering over them, in - the win of his seat, that will be hovering over them, in terms i the win of his seat, that will bel hovering over them, in terms of the win of his seat, that will be - hovering over them, in terms of will he challenge — hovering over them, in terms of will he challenge conservative _ hovering over them, in terms of will he challenge conservative party- he challenge conservative party leadership — he challenge conservative party leadership as _ he challenge conservative party leadership as well. _ he challenge conservative party leadership as well. so - he challenge conservative party leadership as well. so there - he challenge conservative party| leadership as well. so there will he challenge conservative party. leadership as well. so there will be a host— leadership as well. so there will be a host of— leadership as well. so there will be a host of things _ leadership as well. so there will be a host of things to _ leadership as well. so there will be a host of things to figure _ leadership as well. so there will be a host of things to figure out - a host of things to figure out over the coming — a host of things to figure out over the coming weeks _ a host of things to figure out over the coming weeks and _ a host of things to figure out over the coming weeks and a - a host of things to figure out over the coming weeks and a lot- the coming weeks and a lot of soul—searching _ the coming weeks and a lot of soul—searching as— the coming weeks and a lot of soul—searching as well. - the coming weeks and a lot of soul—searching as well. do . the coming weeks and a lot of soul-searching as well. do you think we could see — soul-searching as well. do you think we could see a _ soul-searching as well. do you think we could see a time _ soul-searching as well. do you think we could see a time where - soul-searching as well. do you think we could see a time where nigel - we could see a time where nigel farage becomes part of the conservative party? i farage becomes part of the conservative party?- farage becomes part of the conservative party? i very much doubt it. last _ conservative party? i very much doubt it. last night _ conservative party? i very much doubt it. last night we - conservative party? i very much doubt it. last night we saw - conservative party? i very much i doubt it. last night we saw people on the left like damien green and robert buckland taken out and interviewed jenkins on the right taken out. it seems to me as well that we probably had about half a dozen what side groups where conservative mps joined and pickard with one another and i heard that on the doorstep that if you cannot agree with yourself then why should we have any faith in you whatsoever. that should only be one faction at westminster in that should therefore be represented with one whatsapp group. i cannot see nigel farage wanting tojoin the group. i cannot see nigel farage wanting to join the conservative party. he had one intense last night, that was to do as much damage as he possibly could. it was
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political vandalism on a colossal scale. that's what he wanted to do and what he succeeded in. he did 250 conservative mps out and the reform uk vote was large enough to do damage to well over 100 of those. so he knew what he was doing, he has his own ambitions and let him carry on. but he will be doing it within the conservative political tent. they have 121 mps, they need to dust themselves down and work out where they want to go. they must reconnect with the public and they way that they did not do over the last four and half years. do not forget, boris johnson was elected in 2019 with a majority of 80, he should have been able to achieve anything. sadly, he didn't and i know covid had a big responsibility for that, but nonetheless, we then changed leader with liz truss and a few days later we changed to with rishi. i thought rishi sunak did a very good job as prime minister, but going early, did not allow them the opportunity to at
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least establish himself with the electorate for another six months showing the economy was growing and that he wasn't competent as prime minister. ~ , ., ., j that he wasn't competent as prime minister-_ i i minister. why did he go early? i really don't _ minister. why did he go early? i really don't know. _ minister. why did he go early? i really don't know. i _ minister. why did he go early? i really don't know. i cannot - minister. why did he go early? i really don't know. i cannot get i minister. why did he go early? i i really don't know. i cannot get my head around it whatsoever because he could've carried on for another six months given us the opportunity to build our own reserves. what happened was he chose an election shortly after the local elections when we were decimated so our counsel a number of counsellors we had were completely depleted so the number of people we had giving leaflets outward were depleted. we did not have the funds in our reserves to be able to do the leaflets that we wanted. then we were set out into the general election, far earlier than any of us thought. with a 20 point deficit in the opinion. it was staggering that the opinion. it was staggering that the election was called when it was. it was mistimed completely but the fact is, we are where we are and have to say, this is not a ringing endorsement of the labour party either because as it was pointed out earlier, only a third of the
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electorate actually voted for the labour party. the real game where the silent snipers of reform uk who managed to take out some conservative mps.— managed to take out some conservative mps. ~ �* ., ,. ., conservative mps. we'll talk about that shortly- _ conservative mps. we'll talk about that shortly. i'm _ conservative mps. we'll talk about that shortly. i'm interested - conservative mps. we'll talk about that shortly. i'm interested in - conservative mps. we'll talk about that shortly. i'm interested in that| that shortly. i'm interested in that idea of a lack of discipline. all of these different factions within the conservative party all fighting amongst each other. there was no sense of country first, it was about personal gain and that was something that robert buckland talked about and his pretty angry speech last night, he lashed out at colleagues including people like suella braverman saying, she was spectacularly unprofessional and ill discipline. there was too much of that ill disciplined behaviour during the campaign. can the conservative party really pull itself together? i conservative party really pull itself together?— conservative party really pull itself together? i think what lies behind those _ itself together? i think what lies behind those divisions _ itself together? i think what lies behind those divisions into - itself together? i think what lies i behind those divisions into factions and selfishness and self—interest that robert buckland spoke about is an underlying problem which is that the conservative party has lost his sense _ the conservative party has lost his sense of— the conservative party has lost his sense of purpose. what unifies it. the reason — sense of purpose. what unifies it. the reason it split into factions as
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you have — the reason it split into factions as you have different people going off expressing their different visions of what — expressing their different visions of what conservative is because there _ of what conservative is because there is — of what conservative is because there is not any common ground to do more _ there is not any common ground to do more. fundamentally, brexiteer broke the conservative party, splintered it, the conservative party, splintered it. created — the conservative party, splintered it, created a long—term conservative people _ it, created a long—term conservative people like — it, created a long—term conservative people like me who left the conservative party because of brexit. — conservative party because of brexit, treated them for long term labour— brexit, treated them for long term labour supporting people who had supported brexit as well and then they lose — supported brexit as well and then they lose them because they are conducting office because those along _ conducting office because those along those burgers were driven from the cost _ along those burgers were driven from the cost of _ along those burgers were driven from the cost of labour and mismanagement and lack— the cost of labour and mismanagement and lack of— the cost of labour and mismanagement and lack of integrity and suddenly have a _ and lack of integrity and suddenly have a lot — and lack of integrity and suddenly have a lot smaller base. but within the conservative party you have some people _ the conservative party you have some people who _ the conservative party you have some people who the party should effectively be a nationalist party, english _ effectively be a nationalist party, english nationalist party, there are people _ english nationalist party, there are people that think the party needs to -ive people that think the party needs to give small— people that think the party needs to give small tax party. others who think— give small tax party. others who think it _ give small tax party. others who think it should be small state high tax party. — think it should be small state high tax party, but there always different visions. the party needs
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to sit— different visions. the party needs to sit down— different visions. the party needs to sit down and reflect carefully on how it _ to sit down and reflect carefully on how it lost — to sit down and reflect carefully on how it lost people along the way and what does _ how it lost people along the way and what does it really believe in what it means — what does it really believe in what it means to be conservative. a lot of conservatives talk about being the party— of conservatives talk about being the party of low taxes, actually, if any one _ the party of low taxes, actually, if any one person is looking at the fiscal— any one person is looking at the fiscal situation, pauljohnson of physical— fiscal situation, pauljohnson of physical studies has been trying to point _ physical studies has been trying to point out. — physical studies has been trying to point out, there is not any possibility of cutting taxes if we are seriously which provide the demands— are seriously which provide the demands on public services. so if it's not— demands on public services. so if it's not low— demands on public services. so if it's not low taxes, what is it? if is not _ it's not low taxes, what is it? if is not neurotic for the session deception— is not neurotic for the session deception with sovereignty which defines— deception with sovereignty which defines what brexit has gone to, what _ defines what brexit has gone to, what is _ defines what brexit has gone to, what is it? — defines what brexit has gone to, what is it? they need to work out what _ what is it? they need to work out what they— what is it? they need to work out what they stand for. there are incredible _ what they stand for. there are incredible responses to the challenges facing the country with people _ challenges facing the country with people in— challenges facing the country with people in the centre ground of this country _ people in the centre ground of this country |— people in the centre ground of this count . ., ., ., , ., country. i final thought from you, liven the country. i final thought from you, given the scale _ country. i final thought from you, given the scale of— country. i final thought from you, given the scale of that _ country. i final thought from you, given the scale of that loss for . country. i final thought from you, | given the scale of that loss for the conservatives, is the start of a generation in the wilderness for the conservative party? mas generation in the wilderness for the conservative party?—
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conservative party? was thinking last niuht conservative party? was thinking last night that — conservative party? was thinking last night that for _ conservative party? was thinking last night that for younger - last night that for younger conservative _ last night that for younger conservative supporters . last night that for younger i conservative supporters this last night that for younger - conservative supporters this is probably— conservative supporters this is probably what _ conservative supporters this is probably what younger- conservative supporters this is probably what younger labourl conservative supporters this is - probably what younger labour support is 14 years _ probably what younger labour support is 14 years ago — probably what younger labour support is 14 years ago had _ probably what younger labour support is 14 years ago had gone _ probably what younger labour support is 14 years ago had gone through. - probably what younger labour support is 14 years ago had gone through. i. is 14 years ago had gone through. i think— is 14 years ago had gone through. i think it _ is 14 years ago had gone through. i think it really — is 14 years ago had gone through. i think it really comes _ is 14 years ago had gone through. i think it really comes down - is 14 years ago had gone through. i think it really comes down to the i think it really comes down to the questions — think it really comes down to the questions that _ think it really comes down to the questions that had _ think it really comes down to the questions that had come - think it really comes down to the questions that had come up- think it really comes down to the questions that had come up on. think it really comes down to the i questions that had come up on this which _ questions that had come up on this which is _ questions that had come up on this which is whether— questions that had come up on this which is whether they _ questions that had come up on this which is whether they can - questions that had come up on this which is whether they can really- which is whether they can really unify— which is whether they can really unify around _ which is whether they can really unify around a _ which is whether they can really unify around a stronger- which is whether they can really unify around a stronger sense i which is whether they can really| unify around a stronger sense of purpose. — unify around a stronger sense of purpose. clear— unify around a stronger sense of purpose, clear policy— unify around a stronger sense of purpose, clear policy ideas - unify around a stronger sense of purpose, clear policy ideas that| purpose, clear policy ideas that resonate — purpose, clear policy ideas that resonate with _ purpose, clear policy ideas that resonate with the _ purpose, clear policy ideas that resonate with the public - purpose, clear policy ideas that resonate with the public and i resonate with the public and actually _ resonate with the public and actually go _ resonate with the public and actually go a _ resonate with the public and actually go a long _ resonate with the public and actually go a long way- resonate with the public and actually go a long way to - resonate with the public and - actually go a long way to rebuilding trust as— actually go a long way to rebuilding trust as well — actually go a long way to rebuilding trust as well. trust _ actually go a long way to rebuilding trust as well. trust in _ actually go a long way to rebuilding trust as well. trust in politicians . trust as well. trust in politicians is at _ trust as well. trust in politicians is at an— trust as well. trust in politicians is at an all—time _ trust as well. trust in politicians is at an all—time low _ trust as well. trust in politicians is at an all—time low and - trust as well. trust in politiciansl is at an all—time low and you can say that— is at an all—time low and you can say that conservatives _ is at an all—time low and you can say that conservatives have - is at an all—time low and you can say that conservatives have a - is at an all—time low and you can. say that conservatives have a long way to _ say that conservatives have a long way to go — say that conservatives have a long way to go to — say that conservatives have a long way to go to repairing _ say that conservatives have a long way to go to repairing that, - way to go to repairing that, especially— way to go to repairing that, especially given— way to go to repairing that, especially given they - way to go to repairing that, especially given they have i way to go to repairing that, - especially given they have been the ones in _ especially given they have been the ones in power— especially given they have been the ones in power for— especially given they have been the ones in power for so _ especially given they have been the ones in power for so long. - especially given they have been the ones in power for so long. but - especially given they have been the ones in power for so long. but i - ones in power for so long. but i think— ones in power for so long. but i think that. _ ones in power for so long. but i think that, the _ ones in power for so long. but i think that, the next _ ones in power for so long. but i think that, the next leader willl ones in power for so long. but i i think that, the next leader will be a major— think that, the next leader will be a major part— think that, the next leader will be a major part of— think that, the next leader will be a major part of that _ think that, the next leader will be a major part of that and _ think that, the next leader will be a major part of that and i - think that, the next leader will be a major part of that and i think. a major part of that and i think that. _ a major part of that and i think that, unfortunately— a major part of that and i think that, unfortunately for- a major part of that and i think that, unfortunately for rishi i a major part of that and i think- that, unfortunately for rishi sunak, a lot of— that, unfortunately for rishi sunak, a lot of how— that, unfortunately for rishi sunak, a lot of how the _ that, unfortunately for rishi sunak, a lot of how the 12 _ that, unfortunately for rishi sunak, a lot of how the 12 months - that, unfortunately for rishi sunak, i a lot of how the 12 months have gone recently _ a lot of how the 12 months have gone recently has — a lot of how the 12 months have gone recently has really _ a lot of how the 12 months have gone recently has really contributed - a lot of how the 12 months have gone recently has really contributed to - recently has really contributed to the sense — recently has really contributed to the sense that _ recently has really contributed to the sense that there _ recently has really contributed to the sense that there is _ recently has really contributed to the sense that there is not- recently has really contributed to the sense that there is not a - recently has really contributed toi the sense that there is not a clear idea of— the sense that there is not a clear idea of what it _ the sense that there is not a clear idea of what it means— the sense that there is not a clear idea of what it means to - the sense that there is not a clear idea of what it means to vote - idea of what it means to vote conservative. _ idea of what it means to vote conservative, not _ idea of what it means to vote conservative, not least - idea of what it means to vote conservative, not least that i idea of what it means to vote - conservative, not least that reform uk has _ conservative, not least that reform uk has filled — conservative, not least that reform uk has filled some _ conservative, not least that reform uk has filled some of— conservative, not least that reform uk has filled some of the _ conservative, not least that reform uk has filled some of the space - conservative, not least that reform uk has filled some of the space asi uk has filled some of the space as well _ uk has filled some of the space as well so— uk has filled some of the space as well so they _ uk has filled some of the space as well. so they like _ uk has filled some of the space as well. so they like to _ uk has filled some of the space as well. so they like to spend - uk has filled some of the space as well. so they like to spend a - 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deal of— well. so they like to spend a great deal of time — well. so they like to spend a great deal of time defining _ well. so they like to spend a great deal of time defining to _ well. so they like to spend a great deal of time defining to voters - well. so they like to spend a great i deal of time defining to voters more clearly. _ deal of time defining to voters more clearly. what — deal of time defining to voters more clearly. what a — deal of time defining to voters more clearly, what a conservative - deal of time defining to voters more clearly, what a conservative vote - clearly, what a conservative vote would _ clearly, what a conservative vote would mean _ clearly, what a conservative vote would mean-— clearly, what a conservative vote would mean. ., , ., ., ,. ., would mean. really good to talk to all and thank _ would mean. really good to talk to all and thank you _ would mean. really good to talk to all and thank you for _ would mean. really good to talk to all and thank you for being - would mean. really good to talk to all and thank you for being us. - all and thank you for being us. andrew cooper, nigel evans that debate will continue in the hours and days and months to come as the conservative party picks up and recesses what went wrong last night. a devastating loss for them in the election and that landslide victory for the labour party. as we said, we have been getting the new appointments. we will get a sense of what the new government will look like. rachel reeves become the first female chancellor. angela rayner, deputy pm, david lammy new foreign secretary. we will hear from him deputy pm, david lammy new foreign secretary. we will hearfrom him in just a moment. coverage continues here on bbc news. as promised, we have started to get an idea of the shape of what sir
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keir�*s government will look like, those cabinet appointments taking place in the last hour or so. there was a lot of speculation about the future of david lammy, there had been some article suggesting that he would not indeed take up the job as foreign secretary given that, even though, it had been his shadow brief. he has been appointed to that rule and is the new foreign secretary for the uk and has been speaking to us a little earlier. take a listen. i want to see a reset on europe- — take a listen. i want to see a reset on europe- a _ take a listen. i want to see a reset on europe. a reset _ take a listen. i want to see a reset on europe. a reset on _ take a listen. i want to see a reset on europe. a reset on our - on europe. a reset on our relationships with the global south and a reset on climate and i also want to see some gear shifts. climate and i also want to see some gearshifts. gearshifts climate and i also want to see some gear shifts. gear shifts on european security and on global security given all of the problems we are seeing in the middle east. also, i went to centre our foreign policy on british growth. d0 went to centre our foreign policy on british growth-— british growth. do you accept that the labour position _ british growth. do you accept that the labour position on _ british growth. do you accept that the labour position on gaza - british growth. do you accept that the labour position on gaza lost i the labour position on gaza lost votes? — the labour position on gaza lost votes? . , the labour position on gaza lost votes? ., , ., , ,
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the labour position on gaza lost votes? ._ ., , , votes? clearly many people across the country — votes? clearly many people across the country are _ votes? clearly many people across the country are distressed - votes? clearly many people across the country are distressed at - votes? clearly many people across the country are distressed at the i the country are distressed at the images we have been seeing from gaza over many, many months. all of us want to see an immediate cease—fire and i will do all i can, diplomatically, to supportjoe biden in bringing about that cease—fire. we also want the hostages out and we want unfettered to eat to get into gaza, and the end, we must work towards that two state solution and have a clear path to progress. horde have a clear path to progress. how are ou have a clear path to progress. how are you going _ have a clear path to progress. how are you going to — have a clear path to progress. how are you going to fix _ have a clear path to progress. how are you going to fix the labour representation on gaza losing seats in birmingham and leicester as a direct— in birmingham and leicester as a direct result? all in birmingham and leicester as a direct result?— direct result? all of us recognise the anon direct result? all of us recognise the agony of _ direct result? all of us recognise the agony of communities - direct result? all of us recognise the agony of communities who i direct result? all of us recognise i the agony of communities who have seen us coming out of israel and gaza. but thejob now seen us coming out of israel and gaza. but the job now is to get to work with tireless diplomacy to support an immediate cease—fire and move towards getting this hostages out and v—8 in. in move towards getting this hostages out and v-8 in-_ out and v-8 in. in terms of diplomacy. _ out and v-8 in. in terms of diplomacy. do _ out and v-8 in. in terms of diplomacy, do you - out and v-8 in. in terms of diplomacy, do you regret i out and v-8 in. in terms of i diplomacy, do you regret how out and v-8 in. in terms of - diplomacy, do you regret how you previously — diplomacy, do you regret how you previously described donald trump?
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united _ previously described donald trump? united states is our key international partner. we have a special relationship with whom is in the white house. i look forward to being at the nato conference in washington in the next few days and working with joe washington in the next few days and working withjoe biden, antony blinken and his team and of course, whoever the united states chooses as their president later on this year, we will work very closely with. words matter. do you regret using the language that you used? i rdrill the language that you used? i will work closely _ the language that you used? i will work closely with _ the language that you used? im ii. work closely with whomever the language that you used? in ii. work closely with whomever is in the white house. in the end, the us is a great democracy. in democracies, of course, there is debate and discussion and difference. we have seen that over the last six weeks in our own country. but the job of international security, the key partnership role that the uk and the us play is hugely important. we have
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between us, very important intelligence capabilities, intelligence capabilities, intelligence capabilities, intelligence capabilities that helped us to signal to the world, putin's intentions to invade ukraine. just recently, we saw the us and uk forces preventing drones dropping onjordan and on israel. that is how important our relationship is with whoever is in the white house. [30 relationship is with whoever is in the white house.— relationship is with whoever is in the white house. do you think that relationship — the white house. do you think that relationship be _ the white house. do you think that relationship be impacted _ the white house. do you think that relationship be impacted with - the white house. do you think that relationship be impacted with the i relationship be impacted with the words _ relationship be impacted with the words that you have described that he would _ words that you have described that he would be a profound threat to the national— he would be a profound threat to the national order? | he would be a profound threat to the national order?— national order? i will work with whoever the — national order? i will work with whoever the united _ national order? i will work with whoever the united states - national order? i will work with i whoever the united states chooses national order? i will work with - whoever the united states chooses to be the next president. get whoever the united states chooses to be the next president. ritet a whoever the united states chooses to be the next president.— be the next president. get a real sense there _ be the next president. get a real sense there that _ be the next president. get a real sense there that the _ be the next president. get a real sense there that the work - be the next president. get a real sense there that the work has i be the next president. get a real sense there that the work has to j sense there that the work has to begin pretty quickly. david lammy there in his new role as foreign secretary those cabinet appointments being made this afternoon by keir starmer. we will have continuing coverage here on bbc news.
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welcome to dona street and looking at the _ welcome to dona street and looking at the fallout — welcome to dona street and looking at the fallout from _ welcome to dona street and looking at the fallout from that _ welcome to dona street and looking at the fallout from that election - at the fallout from that election last night _ at the fallout from that election last night he _ at the fallout from that election last ni . ht. �* . at the fallout from that election last niuht. �* , at the fallout from that election last niuht. �* . ., last night. as we said, most of the seats were — last night. as we said, most of the seats were counted _ last night. as we said, most of the seats were counted except - last night. as we said, most of the. seats were counted except through, we know how it final count from basildon south and east eric, reformuk went in there, a fifth seat for nigel farage was michael party, when in that fifth seat in basildon south and east thurrock, winning it without a majority ofjust 98 votes, when in that from the labour candidate jack ferguson. a fifth seat for reformuk, something that would be welcomed by nigel farage, and he said certainly know that the future target for his party is to take on labour. he says he would like to see that become the official opposition will stop that the latest result we have decided. just one seat still to
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count. basildon south and east thurrock with a majority ofjust 98 seats. gives a sense of how tight that was and the work that was going make sure that reebok —— recount could happen. will speak to our correspondent there i was later to see what the key issues were in that constituency that see reformuk take it the fifth seat in westminster. with me is in the other nephew, the umbrellas are back—up, running out of hand here at downing street, but your thoughts on that fifth seat for reformuk. nigel farage saying that liberal party is in his sights. only five seats but it can make a difference.— five seats but it can make a difference. , ., , ., difference. the implications of where this _ difference. the implications of where this goes _ difference. the implications of where this goes next - difference. the implications of where this goes next for - difference. the implications of where this goes next for nigel| where this goes next for nigel farage and whether reformuk becomes a more potent politicalforce in british politics, whether supports picks up or if it was a blip and one off, oranti—tory
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picks up or if it was a blip and one off, or anti—tory vote, picks up or if it was a blip and one off, oranti—tory vote, it picks up or if it was a blip and one off, or anti—tory vote, it depends on what happens in the conservative party, there a relationship between reformuk and the conservative party it will change depending on what configuration the conservative party ends up with and what leader at the ends up with and what leader at the end of it. it is interesting how they were respond to reformuk. before the election, there was talk of reformuk getting more seats than that, we have to be measured in terms of the number of seats them gone but nigel farage into parliament at the eighth attempts, the anderson another very vocal mp, so they might create more noise in proportion to their numbers than perhaps others so want to watch. speaking of reformuk, given their conference earlier, and a few hecklers in that room. it struck me that nigel farage says they were caught up by the early recording of this election, they were not able to vent some candidates and lead to
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problems on the campaign trail, but he talked to about the flesh professionalisation of the party. there have been stories on the camping about past candidates and comments from third party, they have been discarded by the party hq. there been competition about some comments who are working on behalf of the party close to it nigel farage under leadership itself, and their argument has been they employed a professional betting company to go through their comp —— candidates and the betting company failed to do this. everyone seems to have been caught off with the election, that is a factor, but there seems to be questions for nigel farage that will continue to swell about why these people are certainly attracted to the party. how have they come into the parties are bit and why is it that he keeps having to fend off these accusations that there are certain people like this in his ranks. it is going to be interesting out nigel farage, all
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pointed know he has had his sights on the conservative party, and as you say labour is now in government, migration was the reform uk party, it is an anti—immigration party, the platform it stood on on the election. he is going to very much want to ensure that the labour party treat that as a number one priority. we heard yvette cooper say they recognise that already, the new home secretary going into office, and that labour has plans to stop the small boat crosses in particular, and that dynamic —— dynamic would be interesting to watch and the narrative regarding labour politics. thank you, layla nephew, or political correspondent here, the rain coming down here in down the street. and we talked about what happened in england, we touched on wheels tube let us go to scotland now. so siebel —— sizeable evening there. the conservatives party
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suffered major losses across all regions. this had to scotland. and speak to katie hunter. you're in glasgow, a disastrous night for the snp and the conservatives, the real winners were the scottish labour party weren't they? the winners were the scottish labour party weren't they?— winners were the scottish labour party weren't they? the labour party one seat after— party weren't they? the labour party one seat after seat _ party weren't they? the labour party one seat after seat after _ party weren't they? the labour party one seat after seat after seat - party weren't they? the labour party one seat after seat after seat here i one seat after seat after seat here in scotland and if i can give you if you figures to illustrate the size of their comeback, they won 37 scottish seeds. at the last general election in twins of the 19, they wantjust election in twins of the 19, they want just one election in twins of the 19, they wantjust one single scotch receipt, so it gives an idea of the size and turnaround for labour. the biggest story here in scotland was the scale of the defeat for the snp. they won nine scottish seeds, last general election they picked up 48 scotch receipts, and the snp have become a party accustomed to winning, and winning big, so last night was a
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disappointing evening for them and we are here in glasgow before this election was because, all of the city seats were held by the snp. this morning, it is woken up and it is turning red, all of the city seats are now held by labour —— labour, and that is a story that is played out in constituencies across scotland last night.— scotland last night. katie, does this mean for— scotland last night. katie, does this mean for people _ scotland last night. katie, does this mean for people who - scotland last night. katie, does this mean for people who were | this mean for people who were pushing for independence for scotland that that dream is now over? �* . . scotland that that dream is now over? 3 . . . scotland that that dream is now over? . ., , over? let's be clear, the polls repeatedly — over? let's be clear, the polls repeatedly suggest _ over? let's be clear, the polls repeatedly suggest that - over? let's be clear, the polls. repeatedly suggest that around over? let's be clear, the polls - repeatedly suggest that around 5096 repeatedly suggest that around 50% of people in scotland want independence. the snp manifesto, independence. the snp manifesto, independence was page one, line one of that document, and john swinney, the leader, city initiative —— if his party won a majority of seats at this general election that would give them grounds to have talks with
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the uk government about holding another referendum. clearly, that has not happened, the snp has one just nine scotch receipts, butjohn swinney has said there will be soul—searching after this, that the independence, the constitution today it is not going away in scotland. good to talk to you, katie hunter join us live from glasgow. certainly looks like it is much nicer weather there in glasgow than it is here in westminster right now. we will persevere. and whoever heard, the uk's new prime minister keir starmer has made the final touches to his cabinet, the majority of rows inherited by those who were part of the opposition front bench, we touched on rachel reeves no confirmed as chancellor, if it cooper as home secretary, david lammy in the foreign office, angela rayner will be deputy prime minister. speaking outside the door of number ten earlier, he vowed to
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build a government of service and pledged to restore trust and politics. but what does that look like? the uk's new prime minister sir keir starmer has been making the final touches to his cabinet. the majority of the roles have been inherited by those who were part of the opposition front bench with rachel reeves confirmed as chancellor of the exchequer, yvette cooper as home secretary, speaking outside the door of number ten earlier this afternoon vowed to build a �*government of service', and pledged to restore trust in politics. the prime minister will have quite a large in—tray to deal with in the coming months with the economy, the nhs, schools and the small boats crisis at the top of the political agenda. to discuss this i'm joined by a expert teams of bbc correspondents. in a moment we will speak to our health editor, hugh pym, our education correspondent hazel shearing and our home affairs correspondent, daniel sandford. but first to our business correspondent, vishala sri—pathma that's is the issue, richard reeves has tried to keep business on—site, spent a lot of time on the campaign trail axing what they wanted her to deliver, and also talked about inheriting some tough finances, so what does business want from this new government? it is interesting,
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she has considered _ new government? it is interesting, she has considered that _ new government? it is interesting, she has considered that tone - new government? it is interesting, she has considered that tone and i she has considered that tone and relationship with the city and finance, an important part of the economy, and she really wanted to make sure, and she said earlier in speeches on the campaign trail that the uk use this as a safe haven for investors, so an interesting strategy and different from her previous us are in the labour party. in terms of policies that she was faced the same fiscal constraints that the previous tory government faced the stop there might be some let back in terms of the economy and we are on the cusp of potentially a rate cut next month by the bank of england which might ease up some room for some parts of the economy, but the two policies she has underlined or that labour governments have underlined is planning in terms of housing planning. husband in stocks were up today on the news of labour coming into power, because she has talked about changing planet laws to make
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it easier for house builders to go ahead, so the construction industry is pleased about that and she's also talked about the green set and investing more in green technology and reevaluating those policies, but she still faces lots of challenges. she spoke earlier today tour economics editor and about how the private sector needs to step in, and that would be an area where she would be looking to develop and invest in and hopefully looking for money to come in that way. . invest in and hopefully looking for money to come in that way.- invest in and hopefully looking for money to come in that way. , and q, rive us a money to come in that way. , and 0, give us a sense _ money to come in that way. , and 0, give us a sense of— money to come in that way. , and 0, give us a sense of the _ money to come in that way. , and 0, give us a sense of the challenge - give us a sense of the challenge it hs —— the give us a sense of the challenge it hs -- the nhs, give us a sense of the challenge it hs —— the nhs, one of the hot topics on the campaign trail, everyone has views about that, and he also has to do it some very angryjunior doctors, and on the campaign should ask about what the pd and he could offer to those doctors, but didn't really answer that question, but now he would need some answers. that is
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riaht, in he would need some answers. that is right. in the — he would need some answers. that is right. in the last _ he would need some answers. that is right, in the last half _ he would need some answers. that is right, in the last half hour, _ he would need some answers. that is right, in the last half hour, wes - right, in the last half hour, wes streeting — right, in the last half hour, wes streeting arrived in the department of health _ streeting arrived in the department of health and social care just down the road _ of health and social care just down the road from the houses of parliament and outside he told a group _ parliament and outside he told a group of us reporters that the nhs was possibly in its worst crisis ever— was possibly in its worst crisis ever since _ was possibly in its worst crisis ever since it was founded, and that the nhs _ ever since it was founded, and that the nhs had saved his life and he intended to spend his life trying to save the _ intended to spend his life trying to save the nhs. he was of course treated — save the nhs. he was of course treated for kidney cancer. he went in, treated for kidney cancer. he went in. was _ treated for kidney cancer. he went in, was applauded by officials, and we are _ in, was applauded by officials, and we are waiting to hear a bit earlier -- later— we are waiting to hear a bit earlier -- later on— we are waiting to hear a bit earlier —— later on what his first statement of intent _ —— later on what his first statement of intent will — —— later on what his first statement of intent will be, and yes, the junior— of intent will be, and yes, the junior doctors dispute in ink that will be _ junior doctors dispute in ink that will be at — junior doctors dispute in ink that will be at the top of his in tree. he said — will be at the top of his in tree. he said before today, that the first thing _ he said before today, that the first thing he _ he said before today, that the first thing he would do is pick up the one to the _ thing he would do is pick up the one to the british medical association. l spoke _ to the british medical association. l spoke to— to the british medical association. i spoke to the bme earlier today, about— i spoke to the bme earlier today, about their stocks and their view was that— about their stocks and their view was that they wanted to start talks unpaid _ was that they wanted to start talks unpaid as — was that they wanted to start talks unpaid as long as it is accepted that it — unpaid as long as it is accepted that it would be over a few years will stop —
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that it would be over a few years will stop it — that it would be over a few years will stop it is a multiyear package to restore — will stop it is a multiyear package to restore what was wiped out by inflation — to restore what was wiped out by inflation i— to restore what was wiped out by inflation. i sense wes streeting was agree _ inflation. i sense wes streeting was agree to _ inflation. i sense wes streeting was agree to that. he spoke in the past about— agree to that. he spoke in the past about a _ agree to that. he spoke in the past about a journey, but that would have to be _ about a journey, but that would have to be paid _ about a journey, but that would have to be paid for somehow, any deal he does there. — to be paid for somehow, any deal he does there, and of course the width and this— does there, and of course the width and this is a — does there, and of course the width and this is a big priority, 7.5 billion— and this is a big priority, 7.5 billion people in england on the waiting — billion people in england on the waiting list, six .5 million people, that is. _ waiting list, six .5 million people, that is, some with more than one appointment, how does he bring it down _ appointment, how does he bring it down and — appointment, how does he bring it down and get it back to the target at the _ down and get it back to the target at the end — down and get it back to the target at the end of parliament? he talked about— at the end of parliament? he talked about creating 40,000 more appointments in hospitals which is 'ust appointments in hospitals which is just the _ appointments in hospitals which is just the start, what is is a long—term strategy at the time of real stress— long—term strategy at the time of real stress and pressure in the nhs? and the _ real stress and pressure in the nhs? and the issue of having to come up with answers, wes streeting know in that role, but we also heard from rachel reeves of course as chancellor much saying there's not a lot of money, and if put feet in growing the economy to raise some of that money, spoke about closing
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things like tax loopholes and adding vat on things like school fees cabal but we know the nhs is one of the biggest expenses of the uk government.— biggest expenses of the uk government. ., , ., government. that is right, and the house think _ government. that is right, and the house think tanks _ government. that is right, and the house think tanks and _ government. that is right, and the house think tanks and institute i government. that is right, and the house think tanks and institute for| house think tanks and institute for fiscal— house think tanks and institute for fiscal studies said not none of the parties. _ fiscal studies said not none of the parties, including labour had come clean _ parties, including labour had come clean about the scale of the challenges and what money might be needed. _ challenges and what money might be needed, as well as the efficiency savings — needed, as well as the efficiency savings and productivity that should be addressed, and you have this demographic pressure of more order patients— demographic pressure of more order patients with multiple conditions, ignoring _ patients with multiple conditions, ignoring operation, more demand for new medicines, which has to be dealt with. _ new medicines, which has to be dealt with. and _ new medicines, which has to be dealt with, and that means the nhs budget will rise _ with, and that means the nhs budget will rise in_ with, and that means the nhs budget will rise in real terms each year. all that — will rise in real terms each year. all that labour committed to and similar— all that labour committed to and similar the conservative was the real terms— similar the conservative was the real terms increase, but he needs more _ real terms increase, but he needs more than — real terms increase, but he needs more thanjust inflation real terms increase, but he needs more than just inflation and real terms increase, but he needs more thanjust inflation and a bit more, there is talk of 30 or £40 billion— more, there is talk of 30 or £40 billion a — more, there is talk of 30 or £40 billion a year more in real terms annually— billion a year more in real terms annually by— billion a year more in real terms annually by the end of this parliament, so how they get there would _ parliament, so how they get there would be — parliament, so how they get there would be a — parliament, so how they get there would be a big question for this
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labour— would be a big question for this labour government.— would be a big question for this labour government. yes, and what were talking _ labour government. yes, and what were talking as _ labour government. yes, and what were talking as well, _ labour government. yes, and what were talking as well, in _ labour government. yes, and what were talking as well, in line, - labour government. yes, and what were talking as well, in line, lisa i were talking as well, in line, lisa nandy is a new culture secretary, appointed by keir starmer to culture, she was in the shadow cabinet, international development, so a change in role for her. let's talk to daniel sandford, and yvette cooper taking up a job at the home office, what would she be facing right now, all of them getting to grips with the group, had time to work out their priorities, but she inherit today? i work out their priorities, but she inherit today?— inherit today? i spoke to her a few times a day. _ inherit today? i spoke to her a few times a day, once _ inherit today? i spoke to her a few times a day, once overnight - inherit today? i spoke to her a few times a day, once overnight at i inherit today? i spoke to her a few times a day, once overnight at thej times a day, once overnight at the county— times a day, once overnight at the county in — times a day, once overnight at the county in and _ times a day, once overnight at the county in and once _ times a day, once overnight at the county in and once as _ times a day, once overnight at the county in and once as came - times a day, once overnight at the county in and once as came into i times a day, once overnight at the. county in and once as came into the home _ county in and once as came into the home office — county in and once as came into the home office in— county in and once as came into the home office in the _ county in and once as came into the home office in the last _ county in and once as came into the home office in the last hour- county in and once as came into the home office in the last hour or so, i home office in the last hour or so, and she _ home office in the last hour or so, and she spoke _ home office in the last hour or so, and she spoke about _ home office in the last hour or so, and she spoke about to _ and she spoke about to priorities. one is— and she spoke about to priorities. one is setting _ and she spoke about to priorities. one is setting up _ and she spoke about to priorities. one is setting up her— and she spoke about to priorities. one is setting up her new- and she spoke about to priorities. one is setting up her new border. one is setting up her new border first command, _ one is setting up her new border first command, which _ one is setting up her new border first command, which is - one is setting up her new border. first command, which is essentially a more _ first command, which is essentially a more beefed _ first command, which is essentially a more beefed up _ first command, which is essentially a more beefed up version - first command, which is essentially a more beefed up version of- first command, which is essentially. a more beefed up version of tackling border— a more beefed up version of tackling border security. _ a more beefed up version of tackling border security, and _ a more beefed up version of tackling border security, and focus _ a more beefed up version of tackling border security, and focus on - a more beefed up version of tackling border security, and focus on the i border security, and focus on the concerns— border security, and focus on the concerns guarding _ border security, and focus on the concerns guarding people - border security, and focus on the. concerns guarding people crossing the channel — concerns guarding people crossing the channel in _ concerns guarding people crossing the channel in small— concerns guarding people crossing the channel in small boats. - concerns guarding people crossing the channel in small boats. she i concerns guarding people crossing i the channel in small boats. she says
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she wants _ the channel in small boats. she says she wants to— the channel in small boats. she says she wants to introduce _ the channel in small boats. she says she wants to introduce new - she wants to introduce new legislation— she wants to introduce new legislation to _ she wants to introduce new legislation to give - she wants to introduce new - legislation to give counterterrorism powers _ legislation to give counterterrorism powers to _ legislation to give counterterrorism powers to people _ legislation to give counterterrorism powers to people in _ legislation to give counterterrorism powers to people in the _ legislation to give counterterrorism powers to people in the border- powers to people in the border security— powers to people in the border security command, _ powers to people in the border security command, allowing i powers to people in the border. security command, allowing them powers to people in the border- security command, allowing them to use counterterrorism _ security command, allowing them to use counterterrorism powers - security command, allowing them to use counterterrorism powers to i security command, allowing them to use counterterrorism powers to carry out their— use counterterrorism powers to carry out their investigations. _ use counterterrorism powers to carry out their investigations. she - use counterterrorism powers to carry out their investigations. she has i out their investigations. she has not really— out their investigations. she has not really wanted _ out their investigations. she has not really wanted to _ out their investigations. she has not really wanted to talk- out their investigations. she has not really wanted to talk about i not really wanted to talk about cancelling _ not really wanted to talk about cancelling the _ not really wanted to talk about cancelling the contracts - not really wanted to talk about cancelling the contracts for i not really wanted to talk about i cancelling the contracts for flights to rwanda. — cancelling the contracts for flights to rwanda, but— cancelling the contracts for flights to rwanda, but she _ cancelling the contracts for flights to rwanda, but she has _ cancelling the contracts for flights to rwanda, but she has talked i cancelling the contracts for flights i to rwanda, but she has talked about the rwanda — to rwanda, but she has talked about the rwanda plan _ to rwanda, but she has talked about the rwanda plan being _ to rwanda, but she has talked about the rwanda plan being a _ to rwanda, but she has talked about the rwanda plan being a gimmick. to rwanda, but she has talked about. the rwanda plan being a gimmick and a co“, _ the rwanda plan being a gimmick and a con. so— the rwanda plan being a gimmick and a con. so there— the rwanda plan being a gimmick and a con, so there is— the rwanda plan being a gimmick and a con, so there is no— the rwanda plan being a gimmick and a con, so there is no doubt that - a con, so there is no doubt that that— a con, so there is no doubt that that is— a con, so there is no doubt that that is going _ a con, so there is no doubt that that is going to— a con, so there is no doubt that that is going to be _ a con, so there is no doubt that that is going to be abandoned. i a con, so there is no doubt that i that is going to be abandoned. that is never— that is going to be abandoned. that is never been — that is going to be abandoned. that is never been part— that is going to be abandoned. that is never been part of— that is going to be abandoned. that is never been part of the _ that is going to be abandoned. that is never been part of the labour- is never been part of the labour policy. — is never been part of the labour policy. but _ is never been part of the labour policy. but the _ is never been part of the labour policy, but the question - is never been part of the labour policy, but the question is- is never been part of the labour policy, but the question is whatj is never been part of the labour. policy, but the question is what do you do— policy, but the question is what do you do if— policy, but the question is what do you do if you — policy, but the question is what do you do if you have _ policy, but the question is what do you do if you have not got- policy, but the question is what do you do if you have not got a - policy, but the question is what do you do if you have not got a plan. policy, but the question is what doi you do if you have not got a plan to send _ you do if you have not got a plan to send people — you do if you have not got a plan to send people to _ you do if you have not got a plan to send people to rwanda _ you do if you have not got a plan to send people to rwanda that - you do if you have not got a plan to send people to rwanda that would. send people to rwanda that would probably— send people to rwanda that would probably require _ send people to rwanda that would probably require repealing - send people to rwanda that would probably require repealing the i probably require repealing the immigration _ probably require repealing the immigration —— _ probably require repealing the immigration —— the _ probably require repealing the immigration —— the illegal- probably require repealing the - immigration —— the illegal migration act and _ immigration —— the illegal migration act and probably— immigration —— the illegal migration act and probably require _ immigration —— the illegal migration act and probably require some - immigration —— the illegal migration act and probably require some new. act and probably require some new legislation— act and probably require some new legislation as — act and probably require some new legislation as well— act and probably require some new legislation as well and _ act and probably require some new legislation as well and certainly i legislation as well and certainly elective — legislation as well and certainly elective money— legislation as well and certainly elective money for— legislation as well and certainly i elective money for accommodation legislation as well and certainly - elective money for accommodation the short term _ elective money for accommodation the short term while — elective money for accommodation the short term while you _ elective money for accommodation the short term while you start _ short term while you start processing _ short term while you start processing those - short term while you start processing those people i short term while you start i processing those people whose short term while you start _ processing those people whose asylum claims _ processing those people whose asylum claims have _ processing those people whose asylum claims have not— processing those people whose asylum claims have not been— processing those people whose asylum claims have not been processed - processing those people whose asylum claims have not been processed while. claims have not been processed while we have _ claims have not been processed while we have been— claims have not been processed while we have been waiting _ claims have not been processed while we have been waiting for— claims have not been processed while we have been waiting for the - claims have not been processed while we have been waiting for the rwandal we have been waiting for the rwanda plan to— we have been waiting for the rwanda plan to come — we have been waiting for the rwanda plan to come to — we have been waiting for the rwanda plan to come to fruition. _ we have been waiting for the rwanda plan to come to fruition. the - we have been waiting for the rwanda plan to come to fruition. the other i plan to come to fruition. the other thing _ plan to come to fruition. the other thing that— plan to come to fruition. the other thing that she _ plan to come to fruition. the other thing that she has _ plan to come to fruition. the other thing that she has spoken- plan to come to fruition. the other thing that she has spoken stronglyj thing that she has spoken strongly about. _ thing that she has spoken strongly about. both — thing that she has spoken strongly about. both in— thing that she has spoken strongly about, both in the _ thing that she has spoken strongly about, both in the early— thing that she has spoken strongly about, both in the early hours i thing that she has spoken strongly about, both in the early hours this| about, both in the early hours this morning _ about, both in the early hours this morning and — about, both in the early hours this morning and this _ about, both in the early hours this morning and this afternoon - about, both in the early hours this morning and this afternoon is i about, both in the early hours this. morning and this afternoon is wanted
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to get— morning and this afternoon is wanted to get more _ morning and this afternoon is wanted to get more neighbourhood _ morning and this afternoon is wanted to get more neighbourhood police i morning and this afternoon is wanted | to get more neighbourhood police out on the _ to get more neighbourhood police out on the beach. — to get more neighbourhood police out on the beach, and _ to get more neighbourhood police out on the beach, and that _ to get more neighbourhood police out on the beach, and that is _ to get more neighbourhood police out on the beach, and that is part- to get more neighbourhood police out on the beach, and that is part of- on the beach, and that is part of the labour— on the beach, and that is part of the labour promised _ on the beach, and that is part of the labour promised to - on the beach, and that is part of the labour promised to tackle i the labour promised to tackle anti-social— the labour promised to tackle anti—social behaviour- the labour promised to tackle anti—social behaviour in - the labour promised to tackle - anti—social behaviour in communities i’ilht anti—social behaviour in communities right across — anti—social behaviour in communities right across the — anti—social behaviour in communities right across the country. _ anti—social behaviour in communities right across the country. it _ anti—social behaviour in communities right across the country. it is - right across the country. it is permitted _ right across the country. it is permitted territory _ right across the country. it is permitted territory from i right across the country. it is. permitted territory from when right across the country. it is - permitted territory from when tony blair was _ permitted territory from when tony blair was by — permitted territory from when tony blair was by mr— permitted territory from when tony blair was by mr and _ permitted territory from when tony blair was by mr and focus— permitted territory from when tony blair was by mr and focus on- blair was by mr and focus on anti-social— blair was by mr and focus on anti—social behaviour- blair was by mr and focus on anti—social behaviour and i blair was by mr and focus on| anti—social behaviour and the blair was by mr and focus on- anti—social behaviour and the labour party— anti—social behaviour and the labour party field _ anti—social behaviour and the labour party field it — anti—social behaviour and the labour party field it is — anti—social behaviour and the labour party field it is something _ party field it is something concerning _ party field it is something concerning people - party field it is something concerning people a i party field it is something concerning people a lot. party field it is somethingi concerning people a lot at party field it is something - concerning people a lot at the moment, _ concerning people a lot at the moment, and _ concerning people a lot at the moment, and they— concerning people a lot at the moment, and they want - concerning people a lot at the moment, and they want to i concerning people a lot at the i moment, and they want to make concerning people a lot at the - moment, and they want to make sure that people _ moment, and they want to make sure that pe0pte see — moment, and they want to make sure that people see that _ moment, and they want to make sure that people see that the _ moment, and they want to make sure that people see that the home - moment, and they want to make sure that people see that the home 0ffice| that people see that the home office is taking _ that people see that the home office is taking that — that people see that the home office is taking that seriously, _ that people see that the home office is taking that seriously, and - that people see that the home office is taking that seriously, and they - is taking that seriously, and they will be _ is taking that seriously, and they will be focus _ is taking that seriously, and they will be focus on _ is taking that seriously, and they will be focus on just _ is taking that seriously, and they will be focus on just having - is taking that seriously, and they will be focus on just having more visible _ will be focus on just having more visible policing. _ will be focus on just having more visible policing. of— will be focus on just having more visible policing. of course, - will be focus on just having more i visible policing. of course, neither of those _ visible policing. of course, neither of those things _ visible policing. of course, neither of those things are _ visible policing. of course, neither of those things are big _ visible policing. of course, neither of those things are big budget - of those things are big budget items, — of those things are big budget items, there _ of those things are big budget items, there is— of those things are big budget items, there is a _ of those things are big budget items, there is a risk- of those things are big budget items, there is a risk the - of those things are big budget| items, there is a risk the hotel bill for— items, there is a risk the hotel bill for pe0pte _ items, there is a risk the hotel bill for people across - items, there is a risk the hotel bill for people across the - items, there is a risk the hotel. bill for people across the channel in smatt— bill for people across the channel in small boats _ bill for people across the channel in small boats will _ bill for people across the channel in small boats will start - bill for people across the channel in small boats will start sorting . in small boats will start sorting again. — in small boats will start sorting again. so— in small boats will start sorting again. so they— in small boats will start sorting again, so they have _ in small boats will start sorting again, so they have to - in small boats will start sorting again, so they have to watch i in small boats will start sorting i again, so they have to watch out in small boats will start sorting - again, so they have to watch out for that and _ again, so they have to watch out for that and there — again, so they have to watch out for that and there is _ again, so they have to watch out for that and there is a _ again, so they have to watch out for that and there is a small— again, so they have to watch out for that and there is a small budget - that and there is a small budget increase — that and there is a small budget increase for— that and there is a small budget increase for getting _ that and there is a small budget increase for getting more - increase for getting more neighbourhood _ increase for getting more neighbourhood police - increase for getting more | neighbourhood police and increase for getting more - neighbourhood police and out, but these _ neighbourhood police and out, but these are — neighbourhood police and out, but these are things _ neighbourhood police and out, but these are things that _ neighbourhood police and out, but these are things that can - neighbourhood police and out, but these are things that can be - neighbourhood police and out, but these are things that can be done i neighbourhood police and out, but l these are things that can be done by a differeht_ these are things that can be done by a different approach, _ these are things that can be done by a different approach, administrative| a different approach, administrative approach. _ a different approach, administrative approach. and — a different approach, administrative approach, and things— a different approach, administrative approach, and things that _ a different approach, administrative approach, and things that can - a different approach, administrative approach, and things that can be i approach, and things that can be done _ approach, and things that can be done by— approach, and things that can be done by sue _ approach, and things that can be done by sue -- _ approach, and things that can be done by sue —— some _ approach, and things that can be done by sue —— some new- approach, and things that can be - done by sue —— some new legislation.
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a slightly— done by sue —— some new legislation. a slightly unanswered _ done by sue —— some new legislation. a slightly unanswered question - done by sue —— some new legislation. a slightly unanswered question today| a slightly unanswered question today is how— a slightly unanswered question today is how quickly— a slightly unanswered question today is how quickly they— a slightly unanswered question today is how quickly they can _ a slightly unanswered question today is how quickly they can get _ a slightly unanswered question today is how quickly they can get new - is how quickly they can get new legislation— is how quickly they can get new legislation through _ is how quickly they can get new legislation through to _ is how quickly they can get new legislation through to give - legislation through to give these counterterrorism _ legislation through to give these counterterrorism powers to - legislation through to give these . counterterrorism powers to border security, _ counterterrorism powers to border security, and — counterterrorism powers to border security, and and _ counterterrorism powers to border security, and and get— counterterrorism powers to border security, and and get rid _ counterterrorism powers to border security, and and get rid of- counterterrorism powers to border security, and and get rid of those. security, and and get rid of those bits of— security, and and get rid of those bits of the — security, and and get rid of those bits of the illegal _ security, and and get rid of those bits of the illegal migration - security, and and get rid of those bits of the illegal migration act. bits of the illegal migration act which — bits of the illegal migration act which is — bits of the illegal migration act which is chancellor— bits of the illegal migration act which is chancellor say - bits of the illegal migration act which is chancellor say that - bits of the illegal migration act - which is chancellor say that nobody who crosses — which is chancellor say that nobody who crosses the _ which is chancellor say that nobody who crosses the channel _ which is chancellor say that nobody who crosses the channel in - which is chancellor say that nobody who crosses the channel in small. who crosses the channel in small boats _ who crosses the channel in small boats cah — who crosses the channel in small boats can be _ who crosses the channel in small boats can be processed - who crosses the channel in small boats can be processed by- who crosses the channel in small boats can be processed by the i who crosses the channel in small- boats can be processed by the asylum system _ boats can be processed by the asylum system the _ boats can be processed by the asylum system. the other— boats can be processed by the asylum system. the other thing _ boats can be processed by the asylum system. the other thing that- boats can be processed by the asylum system. the other thing that won't . system. the other thing that won't be talked — system. the other thing that won't be talked about _ system. the other thing that won't be talked about much _ system. the other thing that won't be talked about much is— system. the other thing that won't be talked about much is the - system. the other thing that won't i be talked about much is the security briefings _ be talked about much is the security briefings that — be talked about much is the security briefings that yvette _ be talked about much is the security briefings that yvette cooper - be talked about much is the security briefings that yvette cooper will - be talked about much is the security briefings that yvette cooper will be i briefings that yvette cooper will be having _ briefings that yvette cooper will be having as _ briefings that yvette cooper will be having as the — briefings that yvette cooper will be having as the incoming _ briefings that yvette cooper will be having as the incoming home - having as the incoming home secretarv _ having as the incoming home secretary. she _ having as the incoming home secretary. she will— having as the incoming home secretary. she will have - having as the incoming home - secretary. she will have meetings with very — secretary. she will have meetings with very senior— secretary. she will have meetings with very senior members - secretary. she will have meetings with very senior members of- secretary. she will have meetings with very senior members of mi5,j secretary. she will have meetings - with very senior members of mi5, and starting _ with very senior members of mi5, and starting to— with very senior members of mi5, and starting to be — with very senior members of mi5, and starting to be told _ with very senior members of mi5, and starting to be told those _ starting to be told those things that aren't _ starting to be told those things that aren't discussed _ starting to be told those things that aren't discussed very- starting to be told those things| that aren't discussed very much starting to be told those things i that aren't discussed very much in the public— that aren't discussed very much in the public domain _ that aren't discussed very much in the public domain about _ that aren't discussed very much in the public domain about the - that aren't discussed very much in i the public domain about the current most _ the public domain about the current most high-level— the public domain about the current most high—level threats— the public domain about the current most high—level threats against - the public domain about the current most high—level threats against the| most high—level threats against the security— most high—level threats against the security of— most high—level threats against the security of people _ most high—level threats against the security of people here _ most high—level threats against the security of people here in _ most high—level threats against the security of people here in the - security of people here in the uk, and that— security of people here in the uk, and that is— security of people here in the uk, and that is always _ security of people here in the uk, and that is always a _ security of people here in the uk, and that is always a big _ security of people here in the uk, and that is always a big part of. security of people here in the uk, i and that is always a big part of the home _ and that is always a big part of the home secretary— and that is always a big part of the home secretary work _ and that is always a big part of the home secretary work will - and that is always a big part of the home secretary work will stop - and that is always a big part of the i home secretary work will stop yes, lots home secretary work will stop yes, tots of— home secretary work will stop yes, lots of people — home secretary work will stop yes, lots of people with _ home secretary work will stop yes, lots of people with their— home secretary work will stop yes, lots of people with their first - home secretary work will stop yes, lots of people with their first day i lots of people with their first day in the _ lots of people with their first day in the office _ lots of people with their first day in the office today. _ lots of people with their first day in the office today.— lots of people with their first day in the office today. daniel good to talk to, in the office today. daniel good to talk to. and _ in the office today. daniel good to talk to, and hugh, _ in the office today. daniel good to talk to, and hugh, thank you - in the office today. daniel good to talk to, and hugh, thank you as l talk to, and hugh, thank you as well, we will talk much about the job i had for the new government
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throughout the day here on bbc news. joining me now is helen lewis, who is a staff writer at american current affairs magazine, the atlantic. good to have you with us. talk to me you if you would about why this election feels a bit different. if we look at the majority that keir starmer has one in this election, it's comparable to that of 20 blair in 1997, but it feels rather different. there's less optimism and less excitement. is that testament to the state of the country right now? . ., , ., ., now? there are two things going on, the first is that — now? there are two things going on, the first is that the _ now? there are two things going on, the first is that the sheer _ the first is that the sheer unexpectedness of this victory. we had the poll is coming out in the week before say the conservatives could end up on a0 seats or on total annihilation, so what actually happened, it be severe loss, in some ways felt underwhelming when the expectations had been set so high but how would do, so the headlight remains substantial majority for labour, all beads on a quite small
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boat change historically. the biggest thing about this is though people were waving their union jacks as keir starmer came into downing street, did not feel like, if you go back to watching the 1997 video from 20 blair, he did not feel like that level of optimism and excitement, which feels like john level of optimism and excitement, which feels likejohn major, uneasily out in 1987, he said he felt like during his term and that the fundamentals of the economy got better and he handed over the economy in good shape to the next administration, and i don't think people feel that is true the stop for example, interest rates in britain are high and people's mortgage have been high for a few years. that kind of thing has slightly soured the feeling of the hanover and the feeling of absorbing and optimism. the challenges in the british economy are big challenges today as they were yesterday, and the leaders would point to those challenges are divisive. levers.
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housing, their big issue, i begin super people try to get onto the property letter in britain and a big issue for young people renting, for without rental takes up an enormous amount of their income, and the solution to that is building more houses, but people who already own houses, but people who already own houses don't like that, so that is a policy that labour have committed to, trying to introduce that increase house—building, but there'll be people and grassroots campaigns in the left of the seats held by new labour mps, and that is why the feeling that everything labour could do to make things better would have a downside for some people. d0 better would have a downside for some purple-— better would have a downside for some people. do you think there is an ambition. _ some people. do you think there is an ambition. a _ some people. do you think there is an ambition, a will _ some people. do you think there is an ambition, a will in _ some people. do you think there is an ambition, a will in the _ some people. do you think there is an ambition, a will in the country, | an ambition, a will in the country, for a return to it, and i use this word nicely, boring politics, because keir starmer said a vote for labour is a book for stability? many desire amongst the electorate that
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they want the politicians to get on with the job, they want the politicians to get on with thejob, not they want the politicians to get on with the job, not exciting or fancy but get on with the job they elected them to do. he but get on with the 'ob they elected them to do.— but get on with the 'ob they elected themtodo. . . ,, . them to do. he also said in a speech that he wanted _ them to do. he also said in a speech that he wanted people _ them to do. he also said in a speech that he wanted people in _ that he wanted people in politics the tread more lightly on peoples lives, an interesting way of doing it. i write find an un—american publication and my analysis of white joe biden one in 2020 was essentially a vote for boredom. the trump white house was chaotic and unstable, a huge amount of turnover of staff for example, and everything else aboutjoe biden performance aside, it has been a more professional and disciplined white house with them, and similar to that offer keir starmer is making. you talk to people in all sectors, take teachers, there been eight vacation secretaries in the last two years, talking to people in the present sector, a turnover ofjustice secretaries, the fact we had three prime ministers since 2022, now onto ourfourth, i think it is very hard for people to feel there is a
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long—term plan when there is this incredible churn in departments and departmental priorities, and people would like to know that fundamentally tomorrow will be the same yesterday, and they can make plans on that basis. you mentioned the united states, _ plans on that basis. you mentioned the united states, and _ plans on that basis. you mentioned the united states, and just - plans on that basis. you mentioned the united states, and just as - plans on that basis. you mentioned the united states, and just as keirl the united states, and just as keir starmer tries to bring some stability to number ten, there is the potential that the white house has a new change of residence in november, we may see president trump returned to the white house, and was certainly lots of criticism about the instability that came with his first term. keir starmer would have to make that phone call tojoe biden but also potentially donald trump later in the year. what would that relationship look like western mark here? he relationship look like western mark here? ., . . relationship look like western mark here? , ., , relationship look like western mark here? , ., here? he has been cautious about an hint here? he has been cautious about anything about — here? he has been cautious about anything about donald _ here? he has been cautious about anything about donald trump, - here? he has been cautious about| anything about donald trump, and david lammy, installed as a new labour foreign secretary, went over
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to washington and actually set with republican groups, which is not something you would expect from a new labour incoming foreign secretary, and the reason behind thatis secretary, and the reason behind that is almost a surfeit of realism, it tipped into being overly cautious among labour that they have to deal with the world as it is. they are well aware trump could end up in the white house and they would have to work with them, that britain's strategic interests are bound with americas, sol strategic interests are bound with americas, so i don't think it would be their dream choice of president, but i also think there is a feeling you play the house and you are dealt. —— the hand you're dealt. good to talk to you, helen, thank you for being with us, we will talk more about that relationship in the hours and days to come. but i want to return to what the entry looks like for the new labour government, which ocean health and things that justice, and about the relationship with business, what does it mean
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when it comes to schools or universities and education question mark without your education correspondent hazel shearing, and thatis correspondent hazel shearing, and that is a challenge, anyone with school age children will note the questions about the state of our schools and education system overall and a class of things that university. there is a lot of work to do. . university. there is a lot of work to do. , ~' to do. yes, it looks like the new education _ to do. yes, it looks like the new education secretary _ to do. yes, it looks like the new education secretary at - to do. yes, it looks like the new education secretary at bridget l education secretary at bridget phillipson is within no time, she arrived in her department in the last 20 minutes or so and says she wants to get to work delivering on priorities for the british people and work starts now. so anyone following her election campaign would have noticed the the odd kind of iron brew, which isjust as well because she will need that for there to do this she has coming up. she has said before that her first priority would be childcare and early years, now she comes into this role, if you months into what is a multiyear roll—out of funded child
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care hours, she there like staffing and availability of places, so she would want to quite hastily set up meetings with schools about converting some of their classrooms into nurseries, which is one of the pledges from that labour manifesto, but more pressing than that in the coming weeks it would be up to bridget phillipson to decide how much teachers in england are paid for the upcoming academic year starting in september. looking at my inbox from this morning, it is clear that teaching unions want the government to focus on getting teachers into the profession, but also keeping them, so workload, improving workload will be one element of that, but pay an increase pay would be another. so if bridget phillipson's offer is not popular with teachers in the coming weeks, it could put her in a collision course with teaching unions and we potentially see further strikes in autumn, but gets into autumn as
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well, the other thing to look at is universities becoming worried about the oil or potential for an international student numbers and potential for the harm they could do to their finances, and potential for the harm they could do to theirfinances, and bridget phillipson has said she knows the government needs to stabilise the sector but it is not yet clear how. good to talk to you, hazel, hazel shearing in the newsroom looking at the challenge i had regarding education. a busy day of appointments here in downing street, that's make sense of what we know so far about the shape of this new government, gabriel pogrund is with me, good to have you here. if you more appointments, henry bend, northern ireland secretary, jo stevens in as well, lisa nandy enclosure, talk to me about that, a change for her. tbs, enclosure, talk to me about that, a change for her-— enclosure, talk to me about that, a change for her. a remarkable change of trajectory — change for her. a remarkable change of trajectory for _ change for her. a remarkable change of trajectory for her, _ change for her. a remarkable change of trajectory for her, she _ change for her. a remarkable change of trajectory for her, she ran - of trajectory for her, she ran against keir starmer in 2020, and when he was trying to assemble a
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unity shadow cabinet, she was shadow foreign, and she has had a tough time since then, demoted not once but twice, and has been in this shadow minister role, attending cabinet but not a secretary of state, but no one of the most upwardly mobile or real beneficiary of this series of appointments, everybody else got a job they were foreseen to get. so she is no shadow culture secretary, culture sec. rather, and you mentioned all the others in the devolved administrations, ian murray, for many years he has toiled as neighbours on the mp in scotland, joined by another person after the rutherglen and hamilton by election last year, but an interesting dynamic there between him and nsr were, the parties a leader north of the border, but one trend last night was how well the labour party did in scotland, and from the beginning, when keir starmer actually removed
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the jeremy corbyn sympathetic leader, and had a laterfocus on structure seats, which naturally used a form a seemingly inevitable party of the labour coalition, not since 2014, but that changed last night. since 2014, but that changed last nitht. �* . , ., night. and the labour party doing well in scotland _ night. and the labour party doing well in scotland to _ night. and the labour party doing well in scotland to the _ night. and the labour party doing well in scotland to the damage i night. and the labour party doing | well in scotland to the damage -- well in scotland to the damage —— detriment of the smp and conservatives, but talk about basildon as well, reform winning its sixth seat, so it was really close and there was a recons which is why we got the results of late. irate and there was a recons which is why we got the results of late. we spoke earlier about — we got the results of late. we spoke earlier about the _ we got the results of late. we spoke earlier about the fact _ we got the results of late. we spoke earlier about the fact that _ we got the results of late. we spoke earlier about the fact that reform - earlier about the fact that reform did really well coming second place in dozens of constituencies around the country, but such is the nature of the first—past—the—post system, there was an extent to which any millions of those did not translate to the initially protected number of seats which was a dozen, it's big news for nigel farage. he will not become an on ignorable presence in the house of commons, his own
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personal profile and national standing, but to be flanked by four other parliamentarians, and also in a range of seats, giving lee anderson in asheville, you have basildon as well, a large geographic sweep, faraj in clacton, and there's a sense the tories and labour know how to provide an answer to the constituencies and the vote that reform garnered last night. thank ou, reform garnered last night. thank you. gabriel. _ reform garnered last night. thank you. gabriel. i— reform garnered last night. thank you, gabriel, i know— reform garnered last night. thank you, gabriel, i know he _ reform garnered last night. thank you, gabriel, i know he was - reform garnered last night. thank you, gabriel, i know he was there| you, gabriel, i know he was there with us through the evening, we will assess what happens next as far as that new government is concerned. a raft of appointments, the first the in the office for the new prime minister and his government. still raining here in downing street, leaving you with the view across westminster here, the 6pm news coming up here on bbc news.
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in the mission of national renewal. our work is urgent and we begin it today. thank you very much. the uk's new prime minister. his message to the country, as labour wins a landslide victory in the general election. sir keir starmer and his wife victoria are cheered by supporters as they arrive in downing street. his new cabinet will meet for the first time tomorrow. a night of pain for the conservatives. they lost 250 seats. rishi sunak is to step down as party leader, but not immediately. .... eomy — i have given thisjob my all. but you have sent a clear signal that the government of the united kingdom must change.
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