tv Newscast - Electioncast BBC News July 6, 2024 10:30pm-11:01pm BST
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of the euros in germany. keir starmer holds his first news conference as prime minister — saying tough decisions need to be made soon. he confirms he'll ditch the previous government's plan to send asylum seekers to rwanda. the gaza health ministry says at least 16 people have been killed and dozens injured in an air strike on a school sheltering displaced people in nuseirat in central gaza. the israeli army says it was targeting militants in the area. iran's new reformist president tells supporters their votes have given hope to a dissatisfied society. you are watching bbc news. now on bbc news, newscast.
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hello, it's adam in the newscast studio. and laura in the newscast studio. and paddy in the newscast studio. i'm glad we all remembered our names. laughter laura, i'm impressed that you've done, what, 96 hours work solid and you didn't have any breakfast this morning? that's why i'm pleased i remembered my name. you've just been eating news. this is newscast, which is the bbc�*s daily news podcast. although, in the last few weeks, it's felt sort of hourly. and on wednesday, i did an episode that was six hours long. did you?
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idid! you hadn't mentioned that before. to raise you your 12—hour election night marathon, i did six hours. right, so we'll talk about what's happening right now in downing street — because the new cabinet are meeting. we'll talk about what might happen with the conservatives after their thumping by a combination of labour, the liberal democrats and reform. but should we just sort of reminisce about election night itself? ijust wonder, how do you both feel now that actually you've been able to...? well, i don't know if you've slept on it. but rather than just, like, living in the moment and, like, feasting on all the results as they come in, now that you've actually been able to sort of sit back and look at the big picture? it is a huge, huge change for the country. i mean, elections — apart from pandemics — are probably the biggest news stories that any of us ever cover. and it is an incredibly significant change of direction for the country. obviously, in the campaign, there was a lot of discussion about whether labour and the tories actually were really close to each other on some big issues. did they accept the same sort of economic terrain? and there is some merit in that argument. however, the thing i think is always underestimated at moments like this is how much the personalities, the principles, the hinterlands, the instincts and the reflexes of the individuals involved are.
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and the changing of the guard that we witnessed, that we saw yesterday in downing street, that we saw at all those counts around the around the country as they came on thursday, is a genuinely enormous moment for the country. and governments, whatever they write down in their manifestos, very often end up being defined by events, and the reflex and response to events is about who people are and their whole kind of credo and belief system — not what they wrote down in their manifesto. so, how will keir starmer respond in the years to come to events that we don't yet know? paddy? well, a bad time for incumbents. the snp spanked in holyrood. the conservatives, after 14 years, spanked at westminster — effectively asking me as a voter to give them 19 years. a bad time forjoe biden. a bad time for president macron. what constituency was he standing in? well, i'm... i know what you mean. well, he's standing in the constituency called "incumbency". yes! and it's a good time for our system. macron. yes. and it's a good time for our system. we've undergone a massive political change. i don't mean that i'm saying that
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keir starmer is karl marx. i'm saying that all the people who ran the country one hour were replaced one hour later, without our people contesting the system as they do in the united states. there was a bad, smelly tone to our national conversation which needs to improve — media have a role to play in that. radio 4 could have a great role to play in that as well, trying to bring educated debate — not tittle tattle and rubbish. but i think we should be humbled. the public have spoken, and 40% of them couldn't be bothered. and i could tell you feel passionate because you just whacked the arm of the armchair! the two things i'm thinking... what?
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and because they were coming very strong second in lots of the seats as they came in, i was thinking, "0h, there's a massive reform wave!" actually, historically, ukip came second in lots of seats in the past as well. so i was wondering maybe did i exaggerate it too much about reform? and we can discuss actually reform's influence in a bit. and the second thing is, when the exit poll came in with the tories on three figures rather than two, ifound myself going, "oh, that's not so bad for them," which disguised the fact that historically it was very bad for them. oh, it was dreadful for them! it wasn't as bad as some of the polls had suggested. well, that's why — boringly — probably every single weekend and almost every time i opened my mouth in the last six weeks, in the last six months, i've said, "don't believe the polls!" the polls are important and they're significant, but they're an indication, not an accurate guide. and the wildest end... we talked about it a lot last week. some of the mrp polling was crazy. i'm not criticising that way of polling. but as we were saying, clearly, on newscast — which if you just turned your radio on, you're listening to newscast, you haven't gone completely loopy — the crazier end of the mrp polling
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was really quite crazy. their methodology was clear. it's how they do that. but the point is, as we kept trying to say, the range of outcomes was enormous. so somebody was always going to be wrong when it came to the polling, because the predictions of the scale of the labour majority went from, you know, 200 and something completely crackers all the way down to something much more, you know, realistic. like, even down at sort of 60, 70 — depending on what happened in different seats. but actually, i think it's pretty much where i expected it to end up by the time we got to thursday morning. do you think on reform, though, i've gone from overestimating them to now underestimating them? no. i think their impact on the conservatives was absolutely devastating. i think there's no doubt about that. and i think labour, although they are absolutely cockahoop, and justifiably so, but i think smarter people in the labour party will look at some of the places like in leicester, where jonathan ashworth, a very prominent and important member of keir starmer�*s team, lost his seat to somebody campaigning, a pro—palestinian candidate. that was a complete shock. it almost happened to wes streeting in his east london constituency.
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it almost happened to jess phillips in birmingham. and these little pockets of insurgents — and they're sort of under the radar — but that's the very serious thing that smarter labour people will be thinking, "ok, that's something we've got to watch." you are taking us to labour. i've heard some themes that i hope we do discuss, especially as we've promised to discuss them. but given that you've mentioned labour, given that you've told us — and i know laura, you've got a scoop to tell us about what's going on in downing street — given that you, adam, have started by saying there's a cabinet meeting today, let'sjust reboot by hearing from the new prime minister. but whether you voted| labour or not — in fact, especially if you did not — i say to you directly, - my government will serve you. politics can be a force for good. we will show that. we've changed the labour party, returned it to service _ and that is how we will govern —
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country first, party second. - funny hearing that again sort of, like, 20 hours later and just realising the massive contradictions there. so, "massive labour landslide!" "oh, but i, keir starmer, realise loads of you didn't actually vote for us." and, "we're going to change things massively, but it's going to take ages so we'lljust get started." and then you just think, "well, hang on, are those two contradictions the things that might kind of dominate the next five years?" well, that's a challenge for politicians, isn't it — to give a nuanced message but also...? actually, i was talking to a senior conservative this morning — that's the point of politicians who are broadly in the mainstream. and what they would say is that is what separates them from people at the populist end of things, who say, "here's a big, simple solution — everybody vote for me!" flick the switch. and actually... that's the difficulty, actually, of moderation in a sense. but he even used that word yesterday. he talked about "moderate". he talked about being kind of mainstream. and i think both he and rishi sunak
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actually, in his speech, they both kind of made a nod to all that incredible churn that is going on in the world right now. and whether that's, as a conservative, rishi sunak thinking, "0h, reform, ah!" 0r whether that's the labour politician thinking, "0h, look at these other kind of forces out there." so he is setting that stage there, saying, "look, i'm going to hold fast to the middle." he's not going to be pushed around by people on the left who say, "look at the majority! you should've been more radical! you've missed this big opportunity!" for keir starmer�*s team, this is an absolute vindication of the argument they made all the way through, is that you win from the middle. you show a responsibility with money. rachel reeves is going to keep a tight grip on the chequebook. because that's how they did win — whether it was with a surge of enthusiasm... i don't think in 2024, any politician who's even vaguely in the middle is expecting a surge of enthusiasm from anywhere. i think they need a series of quick wins. mm. ithink... i've had enough of this import from the us — 100 days — like i've had enough of the import supermajority.
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here's a timeframe i want to test out with you two that's untested on radio 4 so far. it's 30 days. or your money back! laughter please don't let's ever give that promise! another snap election! well, actually, you've summed it up very well — because in 30 days, in august, so big is the work to do, they're all going to go on holiday. "it's so big! we've got to change the country! we must go on holiday!" well, they're going to shorten the holiday i think. well, i'm going to say that they've got 30 days. they've gotjuly to bring about some quick wins. and i sniff a few. i've seen some goats, i've seen nick eardley on the news... let's clarify what you mean by goats. government of all the talent, borrowed from gordon brown. so not actually goats? so you're talking about sir patrick vallance, who's actually going to be lord sir high uber commander... professor. professor sir lord. actually, i want my money back. sir patrick vallance, who of course, became known to the public as the chief scientist during the covid inquiry. god, not during the covid inquiry —
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during the pandemic. i mean, he was in that, too. he was in that, too. all these big acts that we've had over the last few years. so he is becoming a government minister and he is going to go and work in the dsit, which is a terrible whitehall acronym. but the department for science. that's a star hire, i think it would be fair to say. james timpson also, who's a really interesting man and employer and somebody who has made a lot of... i suppose changed a lot of lives by employing lots of people when they leave prison. he's becoming a minister as well, and also somebody with conservative tendencies previously. so that's interesting. well, his brother was a tory minister. his brother was a tory minister indeed. also, another one that's not out there yet, but i'm told that alan milburn, former health secretary, is going to become an enforcer at the department of health, which is an interesting one. so tackling waiting lists. so they are looking — with these little nuggets, as you say — to show soon, as quickly as they can, that they can get things done. wes streeting has already been
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on the phone to the bma to try to sort out the junior doctors strike. i mean, that would be a big win. i think it's also ambitious to imagine... suddenly this very strongly motivated organisation of young and some quite radical doctors. are they going to suddenly say, "yes, we will do a deal with you?" who knows? that is a big one. can i make three observations there? so, often with these goats who are brought in from outside — especially in the brown era — sort of didn't really work out. these people who were high flyers in theirfields — whether it was defence or health — didn't really gel with the civil service and the political machine and they found it quite hard. patrick vallance is different because he's been right in the bunker, in the crisis. and look at the vaccine programme, right? exactly. he knows how to pull levers and push buttons and chair meetings. so he is a sort of more natural fit for that. although i'm quite surprised because i thought maybe he was going to be brought in as more of a tsar. you know, labour's got this whole mission approach to government,
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with five big missions. so you're now.... tsars and goats. goat or tsar? goat or tsar. it sounds like a eurovision... this sounds like a catherine the great tv miniseries. can you...? was there a third observation? that was actually my first observation, but there was too many observations. it was like a kinder egg. anyway, so the second observation is aboutjames thompson. i was just watching an interview that krishnan guru—murthy did with him on channel 4 news a few months ago. and james thimpson is of the view that a third of the people who are in prison should not be there, and a further third of them should actually be maybe having more support and rehabilitation and help rather than being in prison 21w. can i interrupt your second? please do. because then it gives me time to remember my third point. but the main... the daddy timpson is a long time guest on broadcasting house — john — and they've long employed prisoners. and here's the thing about prisons, which are so full we're going to release people early.
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that's what's happening right now. that many of the people in there — maybe 40% — are re—offenders. so one way to cut the prison population is to stop re—offending. one way to stop re—offending is to give prisoners a job. hold your nose and give prisoners a job. and the timpson family have been doing that. they've also been giving clean suits to people who are unemployed, and it's a sort of old fashioned "conservative" philanthropy imported by the new labour man who is flexing the prime minister's office. and i've always thought that was something rishi sunak was learning to do at the end by importing david cameron. keir starmer has been preparing, as we're going to hear from laura, for months for this moment — and i know you've got some really juicy detail, but i've interrupted your third observation. it was about alan milburn. so, on thursday night, election night for newscasts, we hosted this big watch party in the radio theatre when lots of newscast fans came and watched the result. and we also had lots of guests coming off your programme, laura, and the radio programme that nick and rachel burden were doing, to come and have a sort of fireside chat in a slightly more chilled environment with us. and it was interesting. most of the labour people referenced alan milburn as a person
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from the old days who got things done, knew how to run a government, and you were saying when we were chatting beforehand that actually he's been sort of advising them and now he's actually going to come back. but i do just wonder — he was a polarising figure in the blair era. 0n the left for sure. exactly. because he was, like, "private sector, public sector — i don't care who delivers your eye test, bring it on." and he said hard truths to the medical profession. so i'm just thinking if wes streeting's first call is to the bma and they're all becoming quite, like, firebrand, radical — the membership of the bma. but then his second call is to alan milburn. that's another contradiction there to add to the list of contradictions. but i think that what labour people would push back at you and say, it's not a contradiction. i think they would say that is reality. oh, yeah, totally. serious politics is about getting things done where you have to have people on different sides. and the point is that maybe everybody has to lose a little bit of the thing that they hold dear as a conviction — but that's not real life.
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and i think keir starmer has always been asked again and again and again since the first time he ran for the leadership... and i remember doing this myself and sort of being a bit stumped when what he said was what he stood for was moral socialism. you what? i mean, it sounded like a something that had been created for a guardian headline. and it was indeed, i think, a guardian headline. now, years later, he still hasn't for some people in the labour party... some experienced former adviser was saying to me last night, "i still don't really know what he believes in." but i think actually, with keir starmer, to look for an ideology is to miss the point. he wants to do things. this is what people say flatteringly about him. they say he's a doer, he's a doer — not a thinker. but that still leaves for some kind of political superfans. .. but where's his ideology? give me something to believe in! his counter would be, "well, i've got a huge majority, and i want to get things done, and i want to change the country." and that is much more important than making somebody feel good because they read a pamphlet that tickled their belly. can we just do a new
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chapter heading? yeah. so news that we're going to be told now that we haven't heard before. some of it a scoop from laura kuenssberg. so what is labour doing now? they've been working with very recently tory cabinet ministers to pave the way for transition? yes. it's one of the things that's been part of their preparation. there have been at least a couple of tory ministers involved, which is interesting. 0r formerly tory ministers. they have also had an incredibly extensive period of preparation with each other under the leadership of sue gray, who becomes keir starmer�*s chief of staff, but also with whitehall. and i'm told that sue gray really has been speaking to senior "mandarins", as they're sometimes called, in whitehall — on an almost daily basis since january. since january? since january. but obviously this has accelerated over time. in the last few weeks, shadow ministers have been introduced and have been speaking to their permanent secretaries. those are the most senior civil servants in each department. and essentially what has happened is this work has built up and up and up and up and up and up. so, in whitehall, officials have been sitting notjust
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with the labour manifesto, but with their mission plans and their documents, and they've been sitting and discussing and workshopping, i was told — some of how they might make these things happen. and there is no doubt that the polling situation has meant that these preparations are more extensive than they might have been in another set of circumstances. and it's so interesting that this is sort of almost a thing itself. the transition, the preparation — it has been also a huge job of work going on quite separately. in fact, in an office around the corner, not in labour hq - in a different office, an overspill office, that's where sue gray and her team have been doing preparation. and in most of the shadow teams, certainly the bigger ones, the bigger departments, there's been one or two of the team who've been doing the prep and other people have been doing the campaign, so it has been meticulously planned. but the interesting thing about all of it is they are first... you know, i think we've just seen actually the first picture of the new cabinet sitting around
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the table has just emerged as we were talking to you at 11:20 on saturday morning. the interesting thing is that somebody, a very senior person in whitehall, said to me, "the thing is, i think they are ready. i think they're probably as ready as you can be, but actually nothing can completely prepare you." and there were two particular moments they referenced. there's one moment where they come in, they're exhausted, they're elated, and then you say, "ok, prime minister, but now we need to talk to you about the end of the world." yeah, "here's the nuclear codes." and the nuclear codes and all of those things. but there's one other thing that is just interesting to see. and someone who had seen lots of prime ministers come and go said to me that what they also worry about is that moment when they're literally about to go in and see the monarch — they're kind of, "what do i do?" and actually, whether it was liz truss, theresa may, david cameron or other people who, as leader of the opposition or ministers or someone like keir starmer, plainly they will have met the monarch — as you do — on previous occasions.
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but that moment where they ring the bell or whatever they do and they're standing outside the room, about to be taken in for that moment where they are invited to become the prime minister, apparently the routine is they tend to ask really detailed... "well, what do i do? where do i stand? and exactly what do i do?" because all the preparation in the world is not going to make you ready for that. although i was going to say, one of the innovations in our constitution is actually there is video of starmer meeting king charles yesterday for their audience, which we never used to have. ok, then the camera's turned off and you don't see the kissing of the hand moment... i mean, actually, keir starmer is king charles iii's third prime minister, which is a hat tip to the churn, the conservative churn — and the system used to work that you did in opposition prepare for your brief. and younger listeners will be used to conservative people handing over to conservative people in a crisis without time to do this transfer. so you'd get a new minister — in the case of housing 16 of them in 14 years —
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and it wasn't as if they had one second's preparation. so, actually, a lot of civil servants, journalists and voters will think it's actually quite a good idea for the opposition to learn how to get in charge of their brief. talk to the civil service, in case the public are vicious enough to ask for a change of power — instead ofjust letting conservatives pass the hat round. well, let's talk about the tories. but before we do, ijust have to tell you one of the more unusual forms of preparation that has gone on in the treasury. did you know, adam, that in the treasury there has for many years been, shall we say, a gentleman's bathroom for the chancellor — a private bathroom that includes something that a female chancellor — orfemales in general — wouldn't actually want to use — a urinal. right. and during the preparations for government, expecting that rachel reeves was very likely to be the first female chancellor, there was a debate in the treasury over what to do about said urinal. i'm told, however, it's been boxed in. so not to offend rachel reeves as she arrives and gets down to work. so there'sjust, like, a big random wooden box there?
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instead of...? well, the thing is... they haven't removed it! to be fair... because goodness knows there'll probably be another man along any minute now, so you wouldn't want to do that. exactly. it's a metaphor, isn't it, because chancellors are often boxed in. 0h! but the thing... also, talking about ceramic things in the treasury, there's also a newscast mug in her kitchen around the cornerfrom her office that was smuggled in a few years. but it would be... it would be a sign to just take it out. how about that? well, exactly. take it out. so the fact that they've left it in... if i was rachel reeves, i'd insist they take it out. yeah, but major plumbing increases the risk of leaks. 0h! da—da—da—da—dum. on a serious point about the... i was really struck by rachel reeves' statement that she gave to treasury officials yesterday. two things. 0ne saying we need to talk about... and it's usually women in underappreciated areas of the economy. they need to be brought into policymaking. and also the treasury. she said, "this building has got to be about growth," because actually, up until now, the treasury... of course they care about economic growth, but delivering growth has been in other departments. 0k, we don't have growth of this programme. we hardly have any time left.
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it's 11:25. let's do six hours! you're listening to newscasts. shush! we have to talk about what happened to the tories — their terrible defeat. this is what rishi sunak said yesterday morning. to the country, - i would like to say — first and foremost — i am sorry. - i have given thisjob my all, but you have sent a clear i signal that the government - of the united kingdom must change, and yours is the only. judgment that matters. there are no conservative mps in oxfordshire since the birth of electricity now. it hasn't happened since the great reform act. the change in the country has been massive, and one of the biggest changes is i very rarely heard someone say "i am sorry" in that way from downing street. wasn't it interesting? so some people think actually that was the best communication and the most human that they've ever seen the prime minister, you know? because the others didn't have their claws on him, because he was completely owned during the campaign by people — probably from australia... that's where they get them from, isn't it? tell them what to do? well, one of them was. yeah. the thing is, he's learnt a lesson. it's completely the opposite of boris johnson telling everyone, you know, "the herd moves..."
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gosh, we almost got to the end of this programme without you doing an impression. i was going to leave terribly sad but... it was a graceful speech. it was a very graceful speech, as wasjeremy hunt's and actually, as was keir starmer was also very gracious about rishi sunak. so perhaps we are opening a more gracious period of politics. perhaps. let's see how long that lasts, however. so there is now a question. we don't know how long the tory leadership race is going to be. they haven't got a new, all—powerful1922 committee, which is a committee of mps that sets out the rules. there is, however, a very long list of people who fancy a tilt at it. so it will probably be a bit like the grand national. we mightjust possibly hear from some of them on my programme tomorrow morning. oh, really? just possibly. i'll just put that out there. and your door is open to... i hope you do better than i did because i had, excuse me,
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two of them in my microphone zone... on thursday night. dame priti patel and james cleverly at the same district council, braintree — two parliamentary constituencies. and they did not want to address succession. no. and i think the timing will be interesting. somebody involved in all of this said to me this morning, if rishi sunak says he's only going to stay for a couple of weeks, there'll be a certain kind of frantic race. there is quite a push from senior people to actually see if they can get him to stay perhaps up until party conference, so they can take a breath and sort of a proper think, rather than descend into sort of blood—letting straightaway. and we should as we close those just say this was also a fantastic night for the smaller parties. so we're looking at the biggest share in history for the parties that weren't the red team or the blue team, whether that's the lib dem's success — although the snp did obviously have a disaster. but the greens did well. plaid cymru obviously are in there as well. you know, this was a really interesting election for all sorts of reasons. huge labour victory. but underneath that, there was, you know, a really strong pattern of a sort of political rainbow in terms of where voters went.
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and the greens targeted four seats and were very explicit about that, and they won four seats. so it looks like maybe that party has learned how to make the electoral system work to its advantage. and the electoral system for the first time actually has sent nigel farage to parliament. he'll be there with his other small group of reform mps. but obviously we know even when he hasn't had a political perch, he's still somebody who tries to have a big voice. but it will be fascinating to see how and if he does really use it in parliament — we just don't know how that's going to play out. we willjoin each other again tomorrow morning when you'll be on the radio, i'll be on the television and then we'll be on the weekend — sunday newscast later in the day. but i think that's plenty from us for now. but if you'd like to get in touch, our emailaddress is newscast@bbc.co.uk, and we'll be back for one more live helping next weekend. bye. newscast from the bbc. hello, there. conditions did improve somewhat through this afternoon with increasing amounts of sunshine, particularly across southern
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and eastern areas, but as we head into part two of the weekend it is going to be a similar story, starting off with sunny spells and then showers will develop. some of them could be heavy and thundery through the afternoon. it's all courtesy of this area of low pressure, which has brought wet and windy weather to southern and eastern areas. that's continuing to push off into the north sea as we head through this evening and overnight. many of the showers fade away tonight, clearerskies. but showers will return across southern and western areas during the early hours. so, where we have clear skies, temperatures in single digits. where we have more cloud, more breeze across the south with the showers, then we're looking at 10—12 c. so sunday starts off bright — brighter than what we had on saturday morning. some sunshine before showers get going late morning onwards, and into the afternoon these will tend to become widespread — form bands as well. and some of them could be heavy and thundery. but a few areas could escape them altogether and stay dry. wind's a bit lighter, too, so it should feel a touch warmer, but still disappointing temperatures for this time of year — mid to high teens. so sunday, then, expect a heavy shower to move through the wimbledon area.
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monday, this is a bit pessimistic. it will start dry with plenty of sunshine, before cloud thickens up later in the day with some patchy rain. so, as we head three sunday night, most of the showers fade away, with a slightly cooler air mass in place, light winds, clear skies. it's going to turn quite chilly with temperatures widespread into single digits — even in towns and cities. out of towns, we're looking at low single figures, so a chilly start to monday. however, it will be chilly but bright. widespread sunshine around, light winds. through the day, showers will develop across central and northern areas, and then towards the end of the day this new area of low pressure will push into the south to bring thicker cloud and outbreaks of rain. so a pretty decent day, i think, before this low starts to move up from the south. we could see temperatures touching 20 degrees. that area of low pressure continues to move north across the uk during tuesday and wednesday. towards the end of the week, though, we've got high pressure toppling in from the west. that should settle things down. and i think as we head into next weekend and the following week, it looks like it should be dry with quite a bit of sunshine around. but the run—up to next weekend looks like it will stay unsettled
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penalty kick hammered home by alexander—arnold. back home, england's supporters were ecstatic their loyalty finally and richly rewarded. also tonight, the new prime minister sets out his priorities including an aim to reduce prison numbers by cutting reoffending. the gaza health ministry says at least 16 people have been killed in an israeli air strike on a school sheltering displaced people in central gaza. iran's new reformist president says they have been given hope in a new society. hello and welcome. england are through to the semifinals of the euros after their quarterfinal match against switzerland went down to the
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