the help that he needs? i've just had a very good meeting with president zelensky, where i made it absolutely clear that as far as the uk is concerned, the change of government makes no difference to the support that we will provide, and to use our opportunity here with our allies to make sure that that support is agreed. and to reinforce — in a sense, as a message to putin — the resolve of nato — bigger now than it's ever been, more united than it's ever been, and absolutely clear—eyed about the threat of russian aggression. the uk will begin what's called a strategic defence review next week to work out what is needed for our security, and part of that will be about the money required too. but the review will take time. so, what, weeks or months?

no defence review, when it's grappling with such problems, can be done in weeks, but it will be done properly, it will be done at pace, and it'll give us the foundations as a new government to lead britain into the future. they call this the family photo, and a first one for a new prime minister. those rosettes and election campaign speeches seem rather a while ago now. keir starmer heads to the white house next. and, yes, if you find all of this a wee bit dizzying — the speed of uk democracy — well, so do we and so do they, the prime minister and his team. this summit has been in the diary for months and months. it was going to happen this week anyway, and so it's been turned into something of a diplomatic speed dating event for the prime minister and the senior ministers accompanying him. and on that tour, that circuit, the ultimate date is a date at the white house, and that's what's coming the other side of the football

for the prime minister tonight. our thanks to chris mason. we will return to our main story. police have found the main suspect in the death of three women at an address in hertfordshire. let's go back to nicky schiller, who joins us from bushey. it back to nicky schiller, who “oins us from bushey.— from bushey. it was less than 24 hours ago _ from bushey. it was less than 24 hours ago when _ from bushey. it was less than 24 hours ago when police _ from bushey. it was less than 24 hours ago when police found - from bushey. it was less than 24 hours ago when police found the | hours ago when police found the three women, at that time in a serious condition, who later died. the community are trying to come to terms with the fact that there has been a triple killing in this cul—de—sac. in the last couple of minutes we have seen more people bringing flowers for laying them down, and i'm joined bringing flowers for laying them down, and i'mjoined bya bringing flowers for laying them down, and i'm joined by a friend of louise hunt, who is one of the three victims. we are sorry for your loss. just explain what sort of person luis was. . ~ ., , ,., . ~

luis was. yeah, i knew louise back from school _ luis was. yeah, i knew louise back from school days, _ luis was. yeah, i knew louise back from school days, and _ luis was. yeah, i knew louise back from school days, and she - luis was. yeah, i knew louise back from school days, and she was - luis was. yeah, i knew louise back. from school days, and she was really sweet. _ from school days, and she was really sweet. very— from school days, and she was really sweet, very kind, always a positive person. _ sweet, very kind, always a positive person. i_ sweet, very kind, always a positive person, i can't think of anything bad person, ican't think of anything bad to— person, ican't think of anything bad to say— person, i can't think of anything bad to say about her, really lovely person _ bad to say about her, really lovely person all— bad to say about her, really lovely person all around, and korea, bad to say about her, really lovely person allaround, and korea, super hard—working person, so it's been a massive _ hard—working person, so it's been a massive shock. she hard-working person, so it's been a massive shock.— massive shock. she died along with her sister, hannah, _ massive shock. she died along with her sister, hannah, and _ massive shock. she died along with her sister, hannah, and their - massive shock. she died along with l her sister, hannah, and their mother carol. can you put into words how you are feeling tonight? honestly, in denial, you are feeling tonight? honestly, in denial. and _ you are feeling tonight? honestly, in denial, and i _ you are feeling tonight? honestly, in denial, and i could _ you are feeling tonight? honestly, in denial, and i could not- you are feeling tonight? honestly, in denial, and i could not believe l in denial, and i could not believe what _ in denial, and i could not believe what happened at first. i had heard the news _ what happened at first. i had heard the news from my sister early in the morning but,, before i knew who the victims _ morning but,, before i knew who the victims were, — morning but,, before i knew who the victims were, and once i found out, it's been_ victims were, and once i found out, it's been massive shock, i have been in deniat— it's been massive shock, i have been in deniatand — it's been massive shock, i have been in denialand i have not it's been massive shock, i have been in denial and i have not processed it yet _ in denial and i have not processed it yet i_ in denial and i have not processed it yet ifeei— in denial and i have not processed it yet. i feel also angry towards the murderer and it yet. i feel also angry towards the murdererand i can't it yet. i feel also angry towards the murderer and i can't even begin to imagine— the murderer and i can't even begin to imagine what the father is going through. _ to imagine what the father is going through, so, a mixture of emotions,

angry, _ through, so, a mixture of emotions, angry, sad, — through, so, a mixture of emotions, angry, sad, shocked. find through, so, a mixture of emotions, angry, sad, shocked.— through, so, a mixture of emotions, angry, sad, shocked. and what about our other angry, sad, shocked. and what about your other friends _ angry, sad, shocked. and what about your other friends who _ angry, sad, shocked. and what about your other friends who knew - angry, sad, shocked. and what about your other friends who knew louise? | your other friends who knew louise? yeah, so i have tried to kind of message — yeah, so i have tried to kind of message a _ yeah, so i have tried to kind of message a few of them today, some of her cioser— message a few of them today, some of her closer friends, and they seem to be her closer friends, and they seem to he really— her closer friends, and they seem to he really in — her closer friends, and they seem to be really in shock and they are of easily— be really in shock and they are of easily devastated, and i don't think they can _ easily devastated, and i don't think they can believe what's happened, and the _ they can believe what's happened, and the nature of what's happened —— they are _ and the nature of what's happened —— they are obviously devastated. what sort of community _ they are obviously devastated. what sort of community is _ they are obviously devastated. what sort of community is it _ they are obviously devastated. twist sort of community is it here in bushey? i have lived in bushey pretty much my whole life, only a couple of roads away and pretty much my whole life, only a couple of roads away— couple of roads away and it is genuinely _ couple of roads away and it is genuinely a — couple of roads away and it is genuinely a pretty _ couple of roads away and it is genuinely a pretty quiet - couple of roads away and it is - genuinely a pretty quiet community. we certainly don't hear about any kind of— we certainly don't hear about any kind of violence of this magnitude. a lot _ kind of violence of this magnitude. a lot of— kind of violence of this magnitude. a lot of working professionals, families— a lot of working professionals, families and everyone gets on with their day, — families and everyone gets on with their day, so it's a pretty quiet community. their day, so it's a pretty quiet community-— their day, so it's a pretty quiet community. their day, so it's a pretty quiet communi . �* , , , community. and completely in shock toniaht? community. and completely in shock tonight? yeah. _ community. and completely in shock tonight? yeah, absolutely— community. and completely in shock tonight? yeah, absolutely in - community. and completely in shock tonight? yeah, absolutely in shock. l tonight? yeah, absolutely in shock. me and my — tonight? yeah, absolutely in shock. me and my whole _ tonight? yeah, absolutely in shock. me and my whole family, _ tonight? yeah, absolutely in shock. me and my whole family, we - tonight? yeah, absolutely in shock. me and my whole family, we are i tonight? yeah, absolutely in shock. | me and my whole family, we are still processing _ me and my whole family, we are still processing what's happened to.

rohit. — processing what's happened to. rohit, thank you so much for talking to us. more people have come to look at the flowers that have been left here and lay more flowers, and you often, when you report on these stories, say it is a community that never thought something like that could happen here, but this is one of those, it is a very quiet location, one of the local councillors saying that the most controversy they have is a bit of fly—tipping normally. a couple of the are open tonight for people who may want to sit and contemplate what has happened —— a couple of the churches. they are burning some candles, but i think everyone's uns are withjohn hunt, the bbc racing commentator, he has lost his wife and two daughters in this unimaginable tragedy here in bushey. back to you in the studio. thank unimaginable tragedy here in bushey. back to you in the studio.— back to you in the studio. thank you so much, back to you in the studio. thank you so much. nicky _

back to you in the studio. thank you so much, nicky schiller, _ back to you in the studio. thank you so much, nicky schiller, who - back to you in the studio. thank you so much, nicky schiller, who has . so much, nicky schiller, who has spent the day amongst the community in bushey, a community in shock, a community grieving, and of course our thoughts are with the hunt family, the police urging the family's privacy is respected. let's turn to all the politics news now on bbc news. it is time for newscast. hello, the nato summit is under way in washington, as we speak, keir starmer�*s first big moment on the world stage, so i thought we would recreate thursday morning's, or preview thursday morning's 8—10 slot on the today programme, because chris mason is here, or he is there. hello. �* ., ., hello. and also the host of americast _ hello. and also the host of americast is _ hello. and also the host of americast is here. - hello. and also the host of americast is here. hello, | hello. and also the host of- americast is here. hello, justin! don't mind me, as you preview what you would _ don't mind me, as you preview what you would on— don't mind me, as you preview what you would on the radio thursday morning. — you would on the radio thursday morning, but anyway, let's see what we can— morning, but anyway, let's see what we can discuss with this big moment in the _ we can discuss with this big moment in the news — we can discuss with this big moment in the news on newscast.—

in the news on newscast. hello, it is adam in — in the news on newscast. hello, it is adam in the _ in the news on newscast. hello, it is adam in the studio _ in the news on newscast. hello, it is adam in the studio and - in the news on newscast. hello, it is adam in the studio and justin i in the news on newscast. hello, it is adam in the studio and justin is| is adam in the studio and justin is down the line. chris, we are recording at seven past 6pm, how is keir starmer doing?— keir starmer doing? hello to you. from the main _ keir starmer doing? hello to you. from the main press _ keir starmer doing? hello to you. from the main press centre - keir starmer doing? hello to you. from the main press centre at - keir starmer doing? hello to you. | from the main press centre at the nato summit here in washington. i am a fairly rare visitor to the united states and to be in washington in the summer, i've discovered, it's quite hot! particular when you off—load from the uk, which is, you know, wet and soggy and feels like february even though it isjuly and you arrive in washington and it is a bitjungle he and swampy and you get a sweat onjust bitjungle he and swampy and you get a sweat on just walking around the block. anyway, this spot of the international media centre that we could be anywhere in the world, it is just a giant conference centre, but it does come furnished with air conditioning, which is a great relief to all, and here's the prime minister on the world stage, in the blink of an eye from wearing a row and doing a stump speech, here he is

on the world stage with the nato backed up behind him, the family photo that they have just done, where all the nato leaders get together and smile towards the camera, all of this to seven days on from the last day of campaigning, extraordinary, really, but this summit was in the diary, it was going to happen, what may come and so the prime minister whoever they might be gets an invite and keir starmer is here.— starmer is here. justin, the clinical backdrop _ starmer is here. justin, the clinical backdrop is - starmer is here. justin, the clinical backdrop is keir- starmer is here. justin, the - clinical backdrop is keir starmer looks incredibly secure as a leader while his hostjoe biden is looking increasingly insecure. that while his host joe biden is looking increasingly insecure.— while his host joe biden is looking increasingly insecure. that is right and everyone _ increasingly insecure. that is right and everyone sang _ increasingly insecure. that is right and everyone sang in _ increasingly insecure. that is right and everyone sang in one - increasingly insecure. that is right and everyone sang in one stage i increasingly insecure. that is right i and everyone sang in one stage thing about— and everyone sang in one stage thing about today or so ago, you go from day-to-day— about today or so ago, you go from day—to—day on this stuff, but one stage _ day—to—day on this stuff, but one stage people saying, it's ok, joe is going _ stage people saying, it's ok, joe is going to _ stage people saying, it's ok, joe is going to stand again, he has telephoned his favourite news programme, he has sent a letter to congress _ programme, he has sent a letter to congress people, he is up and running. — congress people, he is up and running, he has managed to read some thin- running, he has managed to read some thing often _ running, he has managed to read some thing often auto cute, it is all back— thing often auto cute, it is all back on. _ thing often auto cute, it is all back on. is— thing often auto cute, it is all back on, is wonderful, nato people coming _ back on, is wonderful, nato people coming here, forget about it, talk about— coming here, forget about it, talk about some thing else, that in the

last hour— about some thing else, that in the last hour or— about some thing else, that in the last hour or two, two events, number one, _ last hour or two, two events, number one. george — last hour or two, two events, number one, george clooney has against him and when _ one, george clooney has against him and when the film stars turn against you and _ and when the film stars turn against you and you — and when the film stars turn against you and you are a democratic candidate, that's not a good sign, and more — candidate, that's not a good sign, and more seriously, actually, a big fundraiser. — and more seriously, actually, a big fundraiser, george clooney, and number— fundraiser, george clooney, and number two, fundraiser, george clooney, and numbertwo, george fundraiser, george clooney, and number two, george stephanopoulos, who did _ number two, george stephanopoulos, who did this interview where it was meant _ who did this interview where it was meant to— who did this interview where it was meant to be righting the ship, he talked _ meant to be righting the ship, he talked to— meant to be righting the ship, he talked to george, and it all went sort of— talked to george, and it all went sort of 0k. — talked to george, and it all went sort of ck, george stephanopoulos then is— sort of ck, george stephanopoulos then is stated by someone in the street. _ then is stated by someone in the street, who says how do you thing that went, — street, who says how do you thing that went, do you think he can last another— that went, do you think he can last another four— that went, do you think he can last another four years? and to george, not knowing — another four years? and to george, not knowing he was being recorded by this total— not knowing he was being recorded by this total stranger, say, no, i don't— this total stranger, say, no, i don't think— this total stranger, say, no, i don't think he can buy don't think you will— don't think he can buy don't think you will get to the end of it. we are back— you will get to the end of it. we are back to— you will get to the end of it. we are back to chaos, just at the point at which _ are back to chaos, just at the point at which chris and all the serious peopie _ at which chris and all the serious peopie are — at which chris and all the serious people are wanting to talk about other— people are wanting to talk about other things. and people are wanting to talk about other things-— people are wanting to talk about other things. people are wanting to talk about other thins. �* , a , ., other things. and we will pick up on that oint other things. and we will pick up on that point about _ other things. and we will pick up on that point about joe _ other things. and we will pick up on that point about joe biden - other things. and we will pick up on that point about joe biden a bit i that point aboutjoe biden a bit later on, but what we have got you, chris, and i should say, if we go over our time with you, the american broadcasting people start charging us hundreds of dollars for this line we're speaking to you on! if you can

keep the pace up, please! just in terms of what, does keir starmer have you onjoe biden? what does he say when you and the prospect say, what do you think aboutjoe biden? i've neverfelt the what do you think aboutjoe biden? i've never felt the pressure quite so keenly as when there is a price on my gravity! by the way, i've never been included in the bracket of the serious people asjustin did, and so kindly there, a weight upon my shoulders. we were asking the prime minister on the flight here about the whole business of the situation with president biden, not least because as it turns out, one of labour's ideas is this idea of cutting down the size of the house of lords. bear with me with this point because you might think, where is he going with this? one of the ideas labour have, reducing the size of the upper chamber, is to effectively put an age cap on it, and what would that age cap be? people in the early 80s! little bit

awkward. we asked of the prime minister about this on the flight here and he, as deftly as diplomacy allows in these situations, pointed out that in his view the house of lords is far too big and there's got to be a means of cutting it down, and people in the house of lords tend to be broadly speaking a certain age, so the way of calling it a bit is to have the age cap, but he insisted that bore no relation or had any impact on his view about the legitimacy or otherwise of aged leaders elsewhere around the world. but clearly when we head to the white house later to see the moment on the chairs in the oval office between the prime minister and the president, that's world that is dominating the national conversation here in the states, and then more broadly shape the conversation around the nato table, american leadership so central to nato, what happens in the coming months, is absolutely dominant. flicking around the us tv channels this morning at

breakfast time here, and this is not remotely surprising, it was wall—to—wall, all of the questions about, ultimately, if the president is senile. �* , about, ultimately, if the president is senile. v , about, ultimately, if the president is senile. �*, , . ~ ., is senile. let's bring it back to defence. _ is senile. let's bring it back to defence, then. _ is senile. let's bring it back to defence, then. what - is senile. let's bring it back to defence, then. what are i is senile. let's bring it back to defence, then. what are keirl is senile. let's bring it back to - defence, then. what are keir starmer ideas for defence, both specific loo with ukraine and support for zelensky and he saw the ukrainian president earlier today, and also the bigger defence picture for britain as a nation over the next decades? ., ,., britain as a nation over the next decades? ., ~ , decades? yeah, so prime minister saw president zelensky _ decades? yeah, so prime minister saw president zelensky and _ decades? yeah, so prime minister saw president zelensky and was _ decades? yeah, so prime minister saw president zelensky and was seeking i president zelensky and was seeking to be reassuring, effective lee saying, look, the government and the prime minister has changed but the policy has not. he must be used to hearing that with british by ministers, with borisjohnson and liz truss and rishi sunak and now keir starmer, but to be fair to all of them, the policy has not changed, it has been consistent, three period where, frankly, there's been a lot of inconsistency in terms of leadership and those in the most

senior roles. the most interesting sort of gritty bit of conversation around the uk's defence posture is this whole question about funding, because labour were saying in the campaign that they wanted to see defence spending go up to two and a half percent of national income, nato asks a member to spend 2% of national income on defence, most but not all nato members do that. it is quite a transition from ten years ago, where plenty absolutely did not. you will remember one of the arguments in the election campaign between the conservatives and labour was that over this two and a half percent figure, with the conservative saying they were committing to do it by 2030. they were saying they were committed to doing it, but without putting a timeframe, a deadline on it, which, how much a commitment is a commitment if you are not saying, willing to say when you will commit to it? the line from the government is morning is that commitment is ironclad, but it is still lacking a

timeframe. their argument is there going to do what is called a church egypt defence review — in other words, one heck of a look at what is neededin words, one heck of a look at what is needed in defence, notjust money that everything numbers to equipment and new name it —— that is strategic defence review. part of that will be a conversation about money, but even then, the government says that you and a half percent would be reached if it was in their view affordable —— 2.5%. it means that critics can say, hang on them and, how much of a priority for stepping up defence spending if it has so many caveats attached relative to other priorities? from labours perspective, from keir starmer�*s perspective, welcome to the trade—offs of government, that is the reality of it. i the trade-offs of government, that is the reality of it.— is the reality of it. i don't know if this expensive _ is the reality of it. i don't know if this expensive line _ is the reality of it. i don't know if this expensive line we i is the reality of it. i don't know if this expensive line we have l if this expensive line we have met you on works both ways, is there anything domestically from westminster that has made it across to you across the atlantic? normally

when prime ministers go across the atlantic they are dogged by these domestic issues. keir starmer is in this honeymoon period. that domestic issues. keir starmer is in this honeymoon period.— this honeymoon period. that is it, because of— this honeymoon period. that is it, because of the _ this honeymoon period. that is it, because of the novelty _ this honeymoon period. that is it, because of the novelty value i this honeymoon period. that is it, because of the novelty value of i this honeymoon period. that is it, i because of the novelty value of keir starmer, if you like, and his team, he has david lemi, john healey, nick thomas—symonds, who has sponsored the four the uk's nearest neighbours, means it isa is a bit less of the domestic agenda chasing him. that will happen at some point. to be honest i feel something of a nato summit bubble, consciously of the novelty of a new parliament taking shape at westminster, with swearing in and a new shadow cabinet and new ministerial appointments, at a more junior rank, happening across the other side of the atlantic, but to a degree and honestly, passing us over here to a greater lesser extent, to be honest and greater extent, really, with all eyes on the trip to

the white house coming, and the small matter of the football as well! . ~ small matter of the football as well! ., ~ ., ,, ., well! talking of football, we know what keir starmer _ well! talking of football, we know what keir starmer is _ well! talking of football, we know what keir starmer is going - well! talking of football, we know what keir starmer is going to i well! talking of football, we know what keir starmer is going to give joe biden as a gift. yes! president biden has been _ joe biden as a gift. yes! president biden has been given _ joe biden as a gift. yes! president biden has been given an _ joe biden as a gift. yes! president biden has been given an arsenal. biden has been given an arsenal shirt, which i'm sure he has always wanted! which isjust shirt, which i'm sure he has always wanted! which is just what he shirt, which i'm sure he has always wanted! which isjust what he needs, isn't it? that's just great! inevitable ritual of the exchanging of gifts. i am sure president biden sings i—0 of gifts. i am sure president biden sings 1—0 to the arsenal in the back every day, so this shirt is the perfect accoutrements to that, isn't it, really? i perfect accoutrements to that, isn't it, reall ? . , , it, really? i am sure they will all be watching _ it, really? i am sure they will all be watching the _ it, really? i am sure they will all be watching the soccer - it, really? i am sure they will all be watching the soccer later. i it, really? i am sure they will all. be watching the soccer later. chris, speak to you soon. see be watching the soccer later. chris, speak to you soon.— be watching the soccer later. chris, speak to you soon.- that l speak to you soon. see you! that thing about _ speak to you soon. see you! that thing about presence _ speak to you soon. see you! that thing about presence between i speak to you soon. see you! that i thing about presence between prime ministers and american presidents, it is always cringe?— it is always cringe? utterly cringe. i it is always cringe? utterly cringe. i remember _ it is always cringe? utterly cringe. i remember gordon _ it is always cringe? utterly cringe. i remember gordon brown - it is always cringe? utterly cringe. i remember gordon brown being l it is always cringe? utterly cringe. i i remember gordon brown being given by barack— i remember gordon brown being given by barack obama a load of videos, a

load of— by barack obama a load of videos, a load of dvds that could not be watched — load of dvds that could not be watched on a british dvd machine. yeah _ watched on a british dvd machine. yeah |t— watched on a british dvd machine. yeah. . , watched on a british dvd machine. yeah-- that _ watched on a british dvd machine. yeah.- that was _ watched on a british dvd machine. yeah.- that was also i watched on a british dvd machine. | yeah.- that was also in the yeah. it was... that was also in the era when gordon _ yeah. it was... that was also in the era when gordon brown _ yeah. it was... that was also in the era when gordon brown was - yeah. it was... that was also in the era when gordon brown was so i era when gordon brown was so desperate to hang out with barack obama they ended up having a quick brush by in a kitchen.— brush by in a kitchen. that's right. the dvds think _ brush by in a kitchen. that's right. the dvds think of— brush by in a kitchen. that's right. the dvds think of it _ brush by in a kitchen. that's right. the dvds think of it later, - brush by in a kitchen. that's right. the dvds think of it later, people | the dvds think of it later, people wondered — the dvds think of it later, people wondered whether he asked about the dvds wondered whether he asked about the dvds in _ wondered whether he asked about the dvds in the white house gift shop and a _ dvds in the white house gift shop and a last—minute, give him these, -ive and a last—minute, give him these, give him _ and a last—minute, give him these, give him these! yeah, no, there have been _ give him these! yeah, no, there have been some _ give him these! yeah, no, there have been some awful! i have to say, the british— been some awful! i have to say, the british gives — been some awful! i have to say, the british gives are better than the american — british gives are better than the american ones, but that were flexy reality— american ones, but that were flexy reality of— american ones, but that were flexy reality of the relationship, which is only— reality of the relationship, which is only special from one side. i wonder— is only special from one side. i wonder if— is only special from one side. i wonder if keir starmer sweats, because — wonder if keir starmer sweats, because what chris was saying, it realiy _ because what chris was saying, it realiy took — because what chris was saying, it really took me back to living there, i really took me back to living there, i had _ really took me back to living there, i had a _ really took me back to living there, i had a soft— really took me back to living there, i had a soft top car and i love the heat _ i had a soft top car and i love the heat and — i had a soft top car and i love the heat and you do... washington at this time — heat and you do... washington at this time of— heat and you do... washington at this time of year is really, really sweaty, —

this time of year is really, really sweaty, and particularly when you go from the _ sweaty, and particularly when you go from the cooler britain at the moment, _ from the cooler britain at the moment, it will really have struck them, _ moment, it will really have struck them, and — moment, it will really have struck them, and you can say, they will all be in _ them, and you can say, they will all be in air—conditioned rooms and all the rest _ be in air—conditioned rooms and all the rest of— be in air—conditioned rooms and all the rest of it— be in air—conditioned rooms and all the rest of it all the time, but you cannot— the rest of it all the time, but you cannot ever— the rest of it all the time, but you cannot ever be completely in an air—conditioned room, and as soon as you're _ air—conditioned room, and as soon as you're outside, you soak, and then you're outside, you soak, and then you freeze — you're outside, you soak, and then you freeze when you go inside, so there _ you freeze when you go inside, so there are — you freeze when you go inside, so there are always sort of issues, never— there are always sort of issues, never mind _ there are always sort of issues, never mind the nato summit, that keir starmer is coming to terms with for the _ keir starmer is coming to terms with for the first _ keir starmer is coming to terms with for the first time. and keir starmer is coming to terms with for the first time.— for the first time. and also if this summit was _ for the first time. and also if this summit was happening _ for the first time. and also if this summit was happening january i for the first time. and also if this summit was happening january itj summit was happening january it would be incredible he called and probably very snowy! i am thinking back to what chris was saying about labour or the government, i should say, the committed to spending 2.5% of gdp on defence, because i woke up this morning and was listening to you interviewing the new armed forces minister luke pollard about that very subject. let's go back in time and see what he said! the commitment — time and see what he said! the commitment made by rachel reeves in the prime _ commitment made by rachel reeves in the prime minister to get 2.5% is

the prime minister to get 2.5% ironclad, the prime minister to get 2.5% 3 ironclad, but we need to be clear that the way we deliver on public spani, defence, on prisons, is by growing our economy, if we don't go our money... and the ambitions we have. that includes defence. basically, that is, a, as a pledge, not very hard and fast, no matter how much they say ironclad, and also he said it's quite dependent on other things? the he said it's quite dependent on other things?— other things? the growing the economy thing, _ other things? the growing the economy thing, i _ other things? the growing the economy thing, i really - other things? the growing the economy thing, i really did i other things? the growing the i economy thing, i really did press him on _ economy thing, i really did press him on that, i said, if the economy does _ him on that, i said, if the economy does not _ him on that, i said, if the economy does not grow, we will not have this extra _ does not grow, we will not have this extra money— does not grow, we will not have this extra money for defence, which seems to be the _ extra money for defence, which seems to be the implication? he did not go that far. _ to be the implication? he did not go that far, and they don't. they would say, we _ that far, and they don't. they would say, we are — that far, and they don't. they would say, we are going to get it, we are determined, — say, we are going to get it, we are determined, we know how to do it, so there _ determined, we know how to do it, so there you _ determined, we know how to do it, so there you are, — determined, we know how to do it, so there you are, but, yeah, no, it joins— there you are, but, yeah, no, it joins the— there you are, but, yeah, no, it joins the long list of things that they want to spend more money on, but they're _ they want to spend more money on, but they're being very cautious about — but they're being very cautious about making hard and fast promises with regard _ about making hard and fast promises with regard to timing at least in the case —

with regard to timing at least in the case of defence, and there is no doubt, a senior guy in charge _ there is no doubt, a senior guy in charge of— there is no doubt, a senior guy in charge of the army was telling the times, _ charge of the army was telling the times, if— charge of the army was telling the times, if we need to retake the falklands. _ times, if we need to retake the falklands, i don't know that we would — falklands, i don't know that we would but — falklands, i don't know that we would but if we did, we would send the two _ would but if we did, we would send the two divisions, the under 10,000 troops, _ the two divisions, the under 10,000 troops, again, but we could not supply— troops, again, but we could not supply them when they were there, we cannot— supply them when they were there, we cannot get— supply them when they were there, we cannot get them back again, and that's— cannot get them back again, and that's the — cannot get them back again, and that's the reality of it seems, where — that's the reality of it seems, where we _ that's the reality of it seems, where we are.— that's the reality of it seems, where we are. back to talk about president biden's _ where we are. back to talk about president biden's future. - where we are. back to talk about president biden's future. you i where we are. back to talk about l president biden's future. you were saying there were those two things that happen to, the george clooney op—edin that happen to, the george clooney op—ed in the new york times, which is quite a powerful piece of writing, i thought, is quite a powerful piece of writing, ithought, quite is quite a powerful piece of writing, i thought, quite surprised, george clooney or george clooney —positive writers are very good, andy george stephanopoulos doorstep which blew things open, but there was a third thing that happened the note was nancy pelosi... i had note was nancy pelosi. .. i had forgotten _ note was nancy pelosi. .. i had forgotten about _ note was nancy pelosi. .. i had forgotten about her! _ note was nancy pelosi. .. i had forgotten about her! on i note was nancy pelosi. .. i had forgotten about her! on one . note was nancy pelosi. .. i had| forgotten about her! on one of note was nancy pelosi. .. i had i forgotten about her! on one of the mornin: forgotten about her! on one of the morning shows. — forgotten about her! on one of the morning shows, being _ forgotten about her! on one of the morning shows, being incredibly . morning shows, being incredibly lukewarm about biden. she morning shows, being incredibly lukewarm about biden. she goes on at mornin: lukewarm about biden. she goes on at morning joe. — lukewarm about biden. she goes on at morning joe, which _ lukewarm about biden. she goes on at

morning joe, which is _ lukewarm about biden. she goes on at morning joe, which is joe's, _ lukewarm about biden. she goes on at morning joe, which is joe's, joe i morning joe, which isjoe's, joe biden's— morning joe, which isjoe's, joe biden's favoured programme, it is not named — biden's favoured programme, it is not named after him, it is named after— not named after him, it is named afterjoe — not named after him, it is named afterjoe scarborough, former after joe scarborough, former republican afterjoe scarborough, former republican congressman, fan ofjoe biden, _ republican congressman, fan ofjoe biden, interesting, chubby goes on morning _ biden, interesting, chubby goes on morning joe, biden, interesting, chubby goes on morningjoe, or she biden, interesting, chubby goes on morning joe, or she goes on morning joe and _ morning joe, or she goes on morning joe and says, should he stand, etc, etc, and _ joe and says, should he stand, etc, etc, and she — joe and says, should he stand, etc, etc, and she has this weird formation where, he has got to make up formation where, he has got to make up his— formation where, he has got to make up his mind _ formation where, he has got to make up his mind soon. hang on a second, he says— up his mind soon. hang on a second, he says he _ up his mind soon. hang on a second, he says he has— up his mind soon. hang on a second, he says he has made up his mind! quite _ he says he has made up his mind! quite a _ he says he has made up his mind! quite a few— he says he has made up his mind! quite a few days ago! he has been telling _ quite a few days ago! he has been telling everyone he has made up his mind _ telling everyone he has made up his mind. where does that come from? there _ mind. where does that come from? there is— mind. where does that come from? there is an — mind. where does that come from? there is an immediate flurry of, oh, my goodness, what is going on with nancy? _ my goodness, what is going on with nancy? i_ my goodness, what is going on with nancy? i tell you what is going on with nancy, because it gets in with the george clooney line. someone in the george clooney line. someone in the middle _ the george clooney line. someone in the middle of his article, clooney writes, _ the middle of his article, clooney writes, we — the middle of his article, clooney writes, we are not one win in november— writes, we are not one win in november with this president, but then he _ november with this president, but then he goes on, on top of that, we won't _ then he goes on, on top of that, we won't when — then he goes on, on top of that, we won't when the house and we are going to — won't when the house and we are going to lose the senate, that is every— going to lose the senate, that is every part— going to lose the senate, that is every part of the federal government, and by the way, they got the courts— government, and by the way, they got

the courts as _ government, and by the way, they got the courts as well, into the hands of donald — the courts as well, into the hands of donald trump, and the republicans. and he says, clooney says. _ republicans. and he says, clooney says. it's _ republicans. and he says, clooney says, it's notjust my opinion, this is the _ says, it's notjust my opinion, this is the opinion— says, it's notjust my opinion, this is the opinion of every senator and congers— is the opinion of every senator and congers person and governor i've spoken— congers person and governor i've spoken with in private, every single one, _ spoken with in private, every single one. a _ spoken with in private, every single one, a respective of what he or she is saying _ one, a respective of what he or she is saying publicly. nancy pelosi was until very _ is saying publicly. nancy pelosi was until very recently the head of the democrats in the house of representatives. she talks to all those _ representatives. she talks to all those people. she knows that. there is behind _ those people. she knows that. there is behind the scenes and absolute ferments— is behind the scenes and absolute ferments of people, including people who are _ ferments of people, including people who are saying hang on a second, we are not— who are saying hang on a second, we are not going — who are saying hang on a second, we are not going to lose the presidency and we _ are not going to lose the presidency and we are — are not going to lose the presidency and we are going to lose both houses of congress, not going to be able to retake _ of congress, not going to be able to retake the _ of congress, not going to be able to retake the house of representatives, which _ retake the house of representatives, which they— retake the house of representatives, which they had thought they could do, which they had thought they could do. and _ which they had thought they could do, and lose the senate, and that means— do, and lose the senate, and that means donald trump can do pretty much _ means donald trump can do pretty much whatever he wants. it is that kind of— much whatever he wants. it is that kind of emergency, as the democrats would _ kind of emergency, as the democrats would see _ kind of emergency, as the democrats would see it. kind of emergency, as the democrats would see it— would see it. best thing that struck me as an amateur— would see it. best thing that struck me as an amateur observer- would see it. best thing that struck me as an amateur observer of- me as an amateur observer of american politics in the us couple of days —— that is the thing. that shift of it being about biden to

down the ticket, they call it. other races that are not the presidency. hang on, you could be a drag on me? this is one for the real nerds. the state _ this is one for the real nerds. the state of— this is one for the real nerds. the state of wisconsin that biden needs to win, _ state of wisconsin that biden needs to win, democrats need to win, one of the _ to win, democrats need to win, one of the swing — to win, democrats need to win, one of the swing states, which could change. — of the swing states, which could change, either be trump or biden, there _ change, either be trump or biden, there was— change, either be trump or biden, there was a — change, either be trump or biden, there was a senator there called and tammy— there was a senator there called and tammy baldwin, democrat etc who is also running — tammy baldwin, democrat etc who is also running for reelection this time _ also running for reelection this time around, she is easily beating her republican rival at the moment. trump _ her republican rival at the moment. trump is _ her republican rival at the moment. trump is easily beating biden, so what is _ trump is easily beating biden, so what is going on? everyone is looking — what is going on? everyone is looking at— what is going on? everyone is looking at wisconsin and saying, hang _ looking at wisconsin and saying, hang on— looking at wisconsin and saying, hang on a — looking at wisconsin and saying, hang on a second? people are making you hard _ hang on a second? people are making you hard and — hang on a second? people are making you hard and fast decision and saying. — you hard and fast decision and saying, we will vote for tammy baldwin, — saying, we will vote for tammy baldwin, who is a democrat, but we are not— baldwin, who is a democrat, but we are not going to vote forjoe biden for the _ are not going to vote forjoe biden for the democratic ticket for the presidency, and right across the country. — presidency, and right across the country, the fear is, particularly in swing — country, the fear is, particularly in swing seats for congress, that

that is— in swing seats for congress, that that is going to happen, and this could _ that is going to happen, and this could be — that is going to happen, and this could be a — that is going to happen, and this could be a real wipe—out, actually, of democrats. could be a realwipe-out, actually, of democrats.— could be a realwipe-out, actually, of democrats. �* ., ., , , _, of democrats. and emerald has become an armchair expert _ of democrats. and emerald has become an armchair expert now, _ of democrats. and emerald has become an armchair expert now, but _ of democrats. and emerald has become an armchair expert now, but you - an armchair expert now, but you ashley are an expert in this, and i don't know what kind of chair you're sitting in. your dog wants to go out for a walk! it sitting in. your dog wants to go out for a walk! , ., ., . ., for a walk! it is a hard chair in desperate _ for a walk! it is a hard chair in desperate to _ for a walk! it is a hard chair in desperate to go _ for a walk! it is a hard chair in desperate to go out, - for a walk! it is a hard chair in desperate to go out, but i for a walk! it is a hard chair in desperate to go out, but the. desperate to go out, but the thing is, everyone is going to become an expert, _ is, everyone is going to become an ekpert, and — is, everyone is going to become an expert, and because it is so accessible, really, american politics? _ accessible, really, american politics? we used to think it was all balloons and nonsense, and actually — all balloons and nonsense, and actually there was no difference between — actually there was no difference between the parties, and it is so stark— between the parties, and it is so stark and — between the parties, and it is so stark and so huge, and it kind of iooms— stark and so huge, and it kind of looms over— stark and so huge, and it kind of looms over us in a way that it reaiiy— looms over us in a way that it realiy did _ looms over us in a way that it really did not win we were younger, and i_ really did not win we were younger, and i think— really did not win we were younger, and i think by the time we get to the election, it is going to be on everyone's— the election, it is going to be on everyone's lips. | the election, it is going to be on everyone's lips-— everyone's lips. i will give you a one word _ everyone's lips. i will give you a one word answer, _ everyone's lips. i will give you a one word answer, because i i everyone's lips. i will give you a i one word answer, because i know you've got to take your dog out for a walk, but is there a mechanism by whichjoe biden can be forced out? yes, there is it is not the mechanism. that is giving a

dignified _ mechanism. that is giving a dignified term for it is a load of pressure. — dignified term for it is a load of pressure, including from barack obama — pressure, including from barack obama and bill clinton behind the scenes. _ obama and bill clinton behind the scenes, ring up saying, for goodness' sake, go, ring up his wife, _ goodness' sake, go, ring up his wife, jill. — goodness' sake, go, ring up his wife, jill, and saying, for goodness' sake, go, and it is that drip, _ goodness' sake, go, and it is that drip, drip, — goodness' sake, go, and it is that drip, drip, and he pull suggesting that there — drip, drip, and he pull suggesting that there is no way he is going to win, _ that there is no way he is going to win, which— that there is no way he is going to win, which they are currently suggesting some all of that, plus another— suggesting some all of that, plus another episode of some sort, that's what gets— another episode of some sort, that's what gets him out. there is no formal— what gets him out. there is no formal mechanism, but they're all sorts— formal mechanism, but they're all sorts of— formal mechanism, but they're all sorts of ways he could still go. justin, — sorts of ways he could still go. justin, i— sorts of ways he could still go. justin, i am going to let you go and grab some... he justin, i am going to let you go and grab some- - -_ justin, i am going to let you go and grab some- - -— grab some... he think she is going to no. grab some... he think she is going to go- there _ grab some... he think she is going to go- there you — grab some... he think she is going to go. there you go. _ grab some... he think she is going to go. there you go. if _ grab some... he think she is going to go. there you go. if biden i grab some... he think she is going to go. there you go. if biden is i to go. there you go. if biden is listenin: to go. there you go. if biden is listening to _ to go. there you go. if biden is listening to that, _ to go. there you go. if biden is listening to that, that - to go. there you go. if biden is listening to that, that might i to go. there you go. if biden is i listening to that, that might be the final straw! justin, lovely to catch up. final straw! justin, lovely to catch hello. a little less rain across southern parts of england today. these are the areas where it's been wettest compared to average so far. but on wednesday, north—east scotland took the mantle with heavy rain, persistent rain and a cold wind. this was the scene in moray, but across north—eastern

aberdeenshire, a month's worth of rain has fallen through the day. this is the weather system. it's this curl of rain here, strong winds with it, which is continuing into the night, only slowly easing down as we go through into thursday morning. a weak weather front across northern england, north midlands, north wales will sit in place by the morning, rain or drizzle here. some clear skies to the north, west and the south of the country, and a fresher start compared with what we saw on wednesday. now here's that weather front again that's across some central parts of england and wales for thursday. it's where the cloudiest conditions will be, the dampest weather. rain and drizzle coming and going, some heavier bursts of rain breaking out through the day. does mean, though, brighter day for scotland and northern ireland, drier for many, although still a stiff breeze and some outbreaks of rain close to eastern coasts. brightest of all, though, southern counties of england and wales. here, we'll see some sunshine throughout the day, lighter winds than on wednesday. it will feel warmer. we could see temperatures a bit more widely into the low 20s. but away from that, the midlands northwards, a chilly day, especially where the clouds in place. for some, barely getting into the mid—teens as we go

through the afternoon. and that chillier air will be pushing its way southwards as we go through the night and into friday morning. with it, cloud, patchy rain pushes through wales, the midlands, towards the south. at the same time, outbreaks of rain working into the english channel. so a slightly milder night here again, but temperatures in rural parts of scotland, northern ireland well down into mid—single figures. so here's the chart for friday. a ridge of high pressure trying to build in, that weatherfront working its way southwards. and around it, to the north of it, we're taking that chillier air further and further south. that weather front, though, could combine forces with a weather system in the near continent, bringing some persistent, heavy and thundery rain here. close call for southern counties of england and wales — could be a wet day for some here. but away from that, a few showers, varying amounts of cloud, a bit of sunshine at times, best of which in the west, a chilly wind down those eastern coasts, where temperatures will struggle to reach 14 or 15 degrees. highest of the temperatures, probably western scotland — glasgow up to around 20 celsius. as for the weekend, it stays cool to begin with —

windy, potentially wet across some eastern coasts, brightest in the west. take care.

hello, rajini vaidyanathan. you're watching the context on bbc news. welcome — welcome to the 2024 nato summit. it's a pleasure. applause it's up to the president to decide if he's going to run. we're all encouraging him to make that decision, because time is running short. not yet enough voices have spoken out to demand that he step aside —j

but the clamour is growing, i and there are many, many more who think he should who haven't gone public yet~ _ as the nato alliance meets in washington dc, ukraine and defence spending are high on the agenda — but should the summit�*s host, president biden, run in november? from the hollywood hills to capitol hill, celebrities and colleagues join the growing calls for him to step aside in november's election. fresh from winning one, prime minister keir starmer holds his first bilateral withjoe biden shortly. and england take on the netherlands in the euro semi finals — so is it really coming home? we come on air with some breaking news — police in hertfordshire say they've

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