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so 50 we so we might see the is over now and so we might see the dam break a little more. people are still expressing grave doubts. it is a very tenuous time.— still expressing grave doubts. it is a very tenuous time. what have they been saying — a very tenuous time. what have they been saying to _ a very tenuous time. what have they been saying to you? _ a very tenuous time. what have they been saying to you? i _ a very tenuous time. what have they been saying to you? i won't - a very tenuous time. what have they been saying to you? i won't name i been saying to you? i won't name names because _ been saying to you? i won't name names because these _ been saying to you? i won't name names because these people - been saying to you? i won't name names because these people are | been saying to you? i won't name i names because these people are my friends, but generally speaking, people are distraught. it's very hard, i'm sorry i am not more eloquent about it but this is actually a month ago, i wouldn't have dream this would be happening. it's very hard. most of us lovejoe biden and to see him like this, to see your party in such disarray, it is very disheartening, especially since the alternative is so dire. we are running against a convicted felon who incited a terrorist insurrection, so each day we are
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talking about this, it is one more day where we are not talking about the more important issue, president trump. the more important issue, president trum. ., ~' , trump. you think we will see resident biden _ trump. you think we will see resident biden coming - trump. you think we will see resident biden coming under| trump. you think we will see i resident biden coming under so trump. you think we will see - resident biden coming under so much pressure that he will inevitably have to step aside and if so, what will the timeframe be on this? i watched the nato press out very carefully and he conceded a point that he never conceded before. he said, he would step down if empirical data, not exact words, but he basically said he would step down if the numbers showed he could not defeat trump. he has never made back concession before. we saw a piece from the new york times that the campaign is polling to see how kamala harris does against trump. i have been having conversations with people in the white house and the campaign, it's a very difficult time but i think in the end our party will pull together and realise that as our democracy that is hanging
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from a precipice and we must come together. there is no choice. in the end, howeverthe together. there is no choice. in the end, however the situation results, we will have to come together and bite the bullet and defeat trump, because he is an existential threat to everything we hold dear. i because he is an existential threat to everything we hold dear.- to everything we hold dear. i hate to everything we hold dear. i hate to ask you — to everything we hold dear. i hate to ask you this — to everything we hold dear. i hate to ask you this but _ to everything we hold dear. i hate to ask you this but i _ to everything we hold dear. i hate to ask you this but i can _ to everything we hold dear. i hate to ask you this but i can see - to everything we hold dear. i hate to ask you this but i can see you l to ask you this but i can see you are upset, but hand on heart, do you think president biden will survive the month?— the month? that's a really long time! thnt's — the month? that's a really long time! that's a _ the month? that's a really long time! that's a really _ the month? that's a really long time! that's a really long - the month? that's a really long time! that's a really long time. i the month? that's a really longl time! that's a really long time. i was trying to be generous to you. can he survive the week? i was trying to be generous to you. can he survive the week?- was trying to be generous to you. can he survive the week? i have a calendar in _ can he survive the week? i have a calendar in my — can he survive the week? i have a calendar in my mind, _ can he survive the week? i have a calendar in my mind, the - can he survive the week? i have a calendar in my mind, the rnc- can he survive the week? i have a| calendar in my mind, the rnc next week, that will be a lot of programming, then i am the curator for the convention, i will be with him throughout that week, august 19-22nd, him throughout that week, august i9—22nd, so surviving a month, the
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reason why swing state democrats are coming out is because they see themselves bleeding. if people continue to see numbers like that, it is really hard. it does not bode well. i am it is really hard. it does not bode well. iam here it is really hard. it does not bode well. i am here in a swing state myself, this is pennsylvania and we will see. the senator here seems to be very rosy on biden, i don't know if he has numbers that the rest of us don't say. i'm sorry, i'm giving you a very frank and honest assessment of what is going on. hand assessment of what is going on. and we appreciated, one more question if may. who would be the most palatable successor in the democratic delegates' fundraisers and politicians?— delegates' fundraisers and oliticians? ., ., ., ., , ., politicians? kamala harris without doubt. i would _ politicians? kamala harris without doubt. i would support _ politicians? kamala harris without doubt. i would support her - politicians? kamala harris without doubt. i would support her with i politicians? kamala harris without doubt. i would support her with al
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doubt. i would support her with a heartbeat, she is completely... she has done a spectacularjob in recent years as vice president and has definitely grown into the role. she is a tremendous speaker and she has definitely grown into the role. she has galvanised my demographic, younger men and women, i have seen her at college campuses and students are roaring with joy and this is the sort of energy we need. not only would she be the first woman, she would she be the first woman, she would be the first black american, i am asian american too and she has done so much power community, making it feel seen for the first time. i have been to her residence and including four asian—american events and this has not happened before. certainly not under trump, and especially under trump, made me feel like i was not american with all of his attacks and president biden and
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kamala harris in particular resurrected our nation in that regard. they made us feel whole again as a community.— regard. they made us feel whole again as a community. obviously i can see that _ again as a community. obviously i can see that you _ again as a community. obviously i can see that you are _ again as a community. obviously i can see that you are upset - again as a community. obviously i can see that you are upset by i again as a community. obviously i | can see that you are upset by this, because there is a huge amount of respect within the democratic party for president biden. 50 respect within the democratic party for president biden.— for president biden. so much love, but also we — for president biden. so much love, but also we realise _ for president biden. so much love, but also we realise this _ for president biden. so much love, but also we realise this is - for president biden. so much love, but also we realise this is not i but also we realise this is not typical election, it is not a parlour game or thought experiment, it is our public at stake so this is why people are saying we should put aside our feelings and love for the guy and do the right thing because way too much is at stake. your prime minister came over and i think he feels the same. the world's fate is at stake. this is not a sports race, it is existential.— it is existential. good to talk to ou, i it is existential. good to talk to you. i really — it is existential. good to talk to you, i really appreciate - it is existential. good to talk to you, i really appreciate you i it is existential. good to talk to i you, i really appreciate you taking the time to speak to us, thanks so much. i
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the time to speak to us, thanks so much. , , , ., ., �* much. i simply note that i'm satisfied that _ much. i simply note that i'm satisfied that these - much. i simply note that i'm satisfied that these offencesi much. i simply note that i'm i satisfied that these offences have had my changing consequences for her, both privately and professionally.- her, both privately and professionally. her, both privately and rofessionall . �*, .,~ professionally. let's take you live now to the _ professionally. let's take you live now to the sentencing _ professionally. let's take you live now to the sentencing of - professionally. let's take you live now to the sentencing of gavin i now to the sentencing of gavin plumb, the man accused of a plot to kidnap, rape and murder holly willoughby. kidnap, rape and murder holly willoughby— kidnap, rape and murder holly willoughby. kidnap, rape and murder holly willou:hb .~ ., ., , ., willoughby. who should not be made to feel unsafe — willoughby. who should not be made to feel unsafe as _ willoughby. who should not be made to feel unsafe as they _ willoughby. who should not be made to feel unsafe as they go _ willoughby. who should not be made to feel unsafe as they go about i to feel unsafe as they go about their daily lives. on tuesday the 3rd of october, you are online participating in a public group chat on a messaging app. although the word chat suggests something benign, this particular chat group was called abduct lovers and involve people with an interest in abduction, rape, torture, human trafficking and murder, former
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partner's, ex colleagues, neighbours and others, including celebrities. the group had 100 members, the profile picture for the group was a young blonde woman with a distressed expression with a male hand covering her mouth. your personal profile picture on the app was an image of holly willoughby, the username was a bare 341987, and during the evidence you admitted you had been in active member of the group chat for some time, although you could not would not say how long. on the 3rd of october 2023, you posted four pictures of holly willoughby to the group with the caption, quote, the one in the public eye i want. another user in the group with the username david nelson responded, nice. you then posted the message,
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saying you had a lot of information about her. you knew when she doesn't does not have security, you knew that she did not have cctv at home, and you knew when she got up in the morning. david nelson sent you a private message. you then exchanged with him over 300 private messages on the app during the next 13 hours or so. you discovered david nelson was based in the usa and that he had never heard of holly willoughby. he had asked you where you are posted about in abduction group. —— y. you said, wider you think? about in abduction group. —— y. you said, wideryou think? —— about in abduction group. —— y. you said, wider you think? —— why do you think? he told david nelson you had identified her home address and sent him an image of it from google maps. you made it clear you are planning a night—time home invasion at the address and that you had been
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studying access points and other practicalities. david nelson asked if you are looking for help and made it clear he would welcome it. you had been discussing your plan to kidnap and rape holly willoughby with others and they had got cold feet. you said you would carry out your plan on your own if you had to. during exchanges with david nelson, you talked about possible dates for the home invasion, flights from new york to london, details of holly willoughby�*s contact and how you would use it for the plan and the road map from her house to yours. you even fixed on some dates for the commission of the intended offences, within the next few days after these conversations with david nelson. neither of you had a valid driving
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licence, but that would not have stopped you driving. you had been taking driving lessons and had also discussed trying to recruit a third person to drive the car. the plan was to take your flat initially and then to abandon building. —— an abandoned building. you talk about these of chloroform to incapacitate miss willoughby and her husband. you sent david nelson photos of the bottles you had bought online and sent david nelson video of your restraint kit included handcuffs, ankle restraints, gags, and i am asked, ropes —— and i'm asked, ropes, cable ties as well as bdsm equipment as well as a whip. you had bought the roads in 2022 and four packages of metal cable ties in april 2022. packages of metal cable ties in april2022. he packages of metal cable ties in april 2022. he david nelson you planned to use knives in the attack,
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including kitchen knives and a utility folding knife you bought in 2023. david nelson said he would in new york and he would only spend the money to travel to london if this, quote, this was a serious thing, unquote. you said, quote, definitely serious for me, unquote. you made a number of other statements to the same effect. i have no doubt this was all considerably more than a fantasy to you. you told david nelson you had been planning this for about two and a half years, your plan was hopelessly unrealistic for a number of reasons. including your poor physical health, but you clearly thought it was feasible. although you talked about carrying out a plan on your own, i am sure that this was simply bravado. he always intended to carry out your
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plan to kidnap, rape and kill miss willoughby but only if you could find the right man and the right, quote, crew, as he sometime called it, to help you do it. this was one of the principal purposes of your participation in the adult lovers group and other online chat groups with similar themes. after years of frustration, talking about your plan online with a number of others, you thought you had finally found through david nelson someone who would really help you. at one point you said, it is actually happening. you exchanged live videos david nelson, during each of which you set the date, three october 2024, and the date, three october 2024, and the codeword, holly. that proved to each other you are real. unfortunately for you, david nelson was an undercover police officer based in the centre. —— in
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minnesota. david nelson is not his real name but i will continue to use it for these remarks. his role is to carry out online investigations using various fake identities looking for instances of human trafficking, murderfor hire, kidnapping, rape, drugs conspiracies and other serious crimes. david nelson was one of his fake online identities he had been using for about three years, i've permitted him to give evidence during the trial anonymously to protect his personal safety and that of his family. as well as to protect the public interest by preserving his ability to continue his important undercover work. ability to continue his important undercoverwork. in ability to continue his important undercover work. in evidence, ability to continue his important undercoverwork. in evidence, david nelson said that what you had posted in the public chat of the adult lovers group went beyond what was typically posted. he was immediately concerned you post—covid to —— post
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and imminent threat to the one you had named. yes two questions to draw details of your plans and to assess whether you are just fantasising or posed a real danger. the vast majority of online messages he saw during his professional work he told us did not go beyond dark, unpleasant, twisted fantasy. his rapid professional assessment, however, in relation to you, was that your messages were of a different order. and they revealed a real danger. during the trial, the jury had all of your private messages to david nelson. the messages were set out chronologically, line by line. it is
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clear early _ chronologically, line by line. it is clear early on — chronologically, line by line. it 3 clear early on during your exchanges —— exchanges with david nelson that your plan was to kidnap, rape and otherwise sexually abuse holly willoughby. when david nelson asked if she was going to be returned, you said no. later in the exchange when david nelson asked what would happen when you were done, you said slit her throat, clean her rights and dispose of her. later still in the exchange he make clear that when you finish the plan was to slit your her throat, water and bleach and dumped her body in the lake. you introduce the idea of murdering ms willoughby in your exchanges with david nelson and you clearly sought to participate in this part of the plan, whether it was david nelson he
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slit her throat or are you doing so with his participation, assistance and encouragement. that is the basis of your conviction for soliciting murder. another deeply unpleasant aspect of your exchanges was that she had another potential victim to practice on, namely a neighbour of yours. you send images of your neighbour to david nelson. you are watchin: neighbour to david nelson. you are watching sentencing _ neighbour to david nelson. you are watching sentencing of— neighbour to david nelson. you are watching sentencing of gavin i neighbour to david nelson. you are| watching sentencing of gavin plumb for plotting to rape, kidnap and murder holly willoughby. we have had to come away from the feed for legal reasons. there will be content that we are not able to broadcast as a judge outlined his sentencing remarks from the court in chelmsford. that is the reason why we have had to come away from his
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remarks. as soon as those legal reasons have gone through we will be allowed to return to the court, but there could be some distressing content. let's go back tojustice edward murray. content. let's go back to justice edward murray.— content. let's go back to justice edward murray. content. let's go back to justice edward murra . ., , ~ , edward murray. your interest then ms willou:hb edward murray. your interest then ms willoughby went _ edward murray. your interest then ms willoughby went back _ edward murray. your interest then ms willoughby went back much _ edward murray. your interest then ms willoughby went back much further i willoughby went back much further than the two dates in early october when you work chatting with david nelson. he told david nelson he had been planning to abduct and rape ms willoughby for about two and a half years. in a whatsapp message to mark, who asked you on the 28th of december 2021 how long you had wanted to rape ms willoughby, you replied about three years. but people claim to want to get them back out. so your criminal interest
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in ms willoughby data back to at least 2018. the police find it she had downloaded millions of images. they were only able to view about 10% of the total. they found thousands upon thousands of images of ms willoughby, including not only genuine images of her, but also deep fake pawn images, and other words images that had been digitally manipulated to impose ms willoughby�*s face on the body of another woman on the dash in a pornographic situation. the trial saw 900 whatsapp message is that you exchanged with marc. the messages included both text messages and voice notes, many of the voice notes replied for the jury. voice notes, many of the voice notes replied for thejury. it voice notes, many of the voice notes replied for the jury. it appeared from the messages that marc was irish, lived in ireland and had previously convicted and sentenced for stalking a woman. during your
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exchanges with mark you exchanged numerous images of ms willoughby, mostly genuine, but at least one deep fake pawn image, but also images of other women, including some with a woman was tied up and wearing gags. we also discussed plans to kidnap, rape and otherwise physically abuse ms willoughby with marc. many of the message about what you plan to do to ms willoughby so horrifying, shocking and graphic in detail that they were not read out in open court. thejury detail that they were not read out in open court. the jury however read every single message during the trial. accredited members of the press were also given access to the full set of messages during the trial. during your exchanges you posted to marc about your own convictions for your offences in
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2006 and 2008. as when you posted to david nelson, i'm sure that you did this in order make clear to mark marc that you are not a fantasist, but summit he had a proven record of sexually associated violence against women and intended to carry out the offences that you are discussing with him against ms willoughby. quite a bit of your chats with marc whose about the pragmatic details of the kidnap and rape of ms willoughby. as dc balchin told us, the police were not able to recover the police were not able to recover the full set of all of your exchanges with any others you may have been discussing these matters with. but you make numerous statements in these 18 months of messages with marc that indicate the
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seriousness of your intent and your disappointment that others whom you had tried to recruit got cold feet. on the 29th of december 2021 mark asked you what is the closest you got to holly? he responded, planning to track your movements. the last guy pulled out and then told me it was just fantasy, despite finding out all the information we did on her. during the trial there was evidence of your chats about ms willoughby with others, including with josh willoughby with others, including withjosh green 977, carys one, and dubliner 1975. withjosh green 977, carys one, and dubliner1975. these four were saved in your phone? contact as dave tom, josh green, alfie noakes and mark p
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respectively. during your exchanges with marc you talked about conversations with others, including ryan, rob tapp, and the other guy. on the 17th of february 2022 year refer to having five persons in total on board to carry out your home invasion plan, including mark and you. you are back down to three people by march, mark marc, ryan and judy people by march, mark marc, ryan and judy angie said ryan was getting cold feet. injune 2022, you are discussing getting a new crew together. throughout the nearly 18 months ago whatsapp exchanges, he referred to your discussions, which are often expressing disappointment
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with somebody you thought was very interested but it got cold feet or had blocked you on the relevant app. he discussed with marc many of the same topics and details of your home invasion and abduction planned that he later discussed with david nelson, including ms willoughby�*s com excess, how best to access it, restraint of ms willoughby and her husband, and the use of chloroform to incapacitate them. it was during this period that you purchased online the rope, metal cable ties, utility folding knife and two bottles of chloroform. on the set of may 2023 she showed marc of your restraint kept. on the 14th of may 2023 you sense a couple of photos to marc of realistic imitation firearms available for purchase online, although there is no evidence that you did purchase them. it carried out various web searches on
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chloroform that were primarily concerned with the legality of owning it and its ability to incapacitate a person. the bottles were unopened with the police seized them, they did not contain chloroform, just ethanol and water. you believed you had purchased chloroform when you put them online from a homeopathic pharmacy. you claim on your evidence that you have got the chloroform to clean and stubborn stains on your living room carpet was a particularly clumsy and obvious lies. at various times during your whatsapp exchanges with marc discussed looking for an abandoned property london where you could hold ms willoughby. he forwarded to marc a photograph that had been sent to you of a room on an abandoned stud farm that you thought would be suitable for this purpose.
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one particularly deeply unpleasant aspect of your exchanges with marc, which did not appear on your exchanges with david nelson, was your discussion of restraining ms willoughby�*s children and using her fearfor their willoughby�*s children and using her fear for their safety as willoughby�*s children and using her fearfor their safety as a willoughby�*s children and using her fear for their safety as a way to control her. this forms the basis of your conviction for these offences being planned. he had previously convicted of sexually motivated offences against women. involving the threat of violence and or unlawful restraint. on the 14th of august 2006 when you are 19 years old he approached a young woman on the stansted express and give her a note saying that you had a gun and
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that she was to get off at the next opportunity or you would shoot her, yourself and everyone else. other passengers noticed her distress and you got off the train at stansted. two days later he approached another young woman on the stansted express and give her a note saying you were and give her a note saying you were a police officer and that she was to get off at you at the next stop for a quick chat. she refused and you got off at the next stop and sat on the platform, where the police find you later that day and arrested you. and arrested you were found to have a you an imitation firearm and three rope ligatures. on the 16th of march 2007 for these offences of attempted kidnapping to which he had pleaded guilty he was sentenced to a term of imprisonment of 12 months, suspended for two years with supervision and activity requirements. on the 11th
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of december 2008 when you're 21 while you are working at woolworths in harlow, your approach to 16—year—old girls who are also working there with a box cutter or a stanley knife type incident and he threatened them, telling them to get to the back of the stockroom. after failing to untangle a piece of rope intended to use, you took out some tape and began to bind the hands of one of the girls behind your back. the other girl escaped and the alarm was raised. the police attended and you were arrested. on the 15th of june 2009 for these offences of false imprisonment and torture pleaded guilty he was sentenced to a term of imprisonment of 32 months. there is no offence specific sentencing guideline in relation to any of these offences. i have had
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regard to the guidelines and overarching principles and totality. in relation to the offence of soliciting murder i have considered the decisions of the court of appeal referred to in the sentencing provided by the prosecution and by the defence. i bear in mind however the defence. i bear in mind however the facts of those cases are quite different to this one. i have had some limited regard to the guideline on attempted murder, however i bear in mind the decision of the court of appeal in the crown and francs, which delineates the clear differences between those two offences. in relation to the offence offences. in relation to the offence of encouraging or assisting the offensive kidnap, i bear in mind in relation to the underlying offence of kidnapping the underlined by the board of appeal by the crown and set
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keep. in relation to the offence encouraging or assisting their sense offence of rape i've had regard to the sentencing council guideline on rape. given that all three of your offences were part of a single plan to kidnap, rape and murder holly willoughby, the correct approach in this case is the past concurrent sentences that reflect the totality of your offending. although not all of your offending. although not all of the details of the plan discussed by you with marc over the course of 18 months was discussed with david nelson during the 30 hours or so of your message exchanges with him, the plant did you reveal to david nelson was in this fundamental is the plan discussed with marc. accordingly, in assessing culpability and harm of your offence of soliciting murder i have had regard to the evidence that emerges from the whatsapp exchanges
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between you and marc. the key point in this regard is that the plan to murder ms willoughby was the end point of a plan developed over a considerable time to kidnap and falsely imprison herfor considerable time to kidnap and falsely imprison her for the principal purpose of raping an otherwise sexually abusing her over a sustained period of time in ways that, judging by your discussions with marc, would have been particularly sadistic, brutal and degrading. the plan was, in short, the context in which you solicited david nelson to assist you in murdering ms willoughby. i have no hesitation in concluding that each of your three offences is one of very high culpability, having regard in particular to the sexual motivation of your offending and your intention to inflict extreme and gratuitous degradation on your victim. the intended harm of each
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offence was in each case of the highest category for the relevant offence. there is no doubt that if you had genuinely found one or more accomplices who are seriously interested and had been willing to join you in carrying your plan through, you would have put this plan into action. turning to the aggravating factors in this case and taking care to avoid double counting, ifind that taking care to avoid double counting, i find that your offences are aggravated by the following factors. egg, your prior convictions for violent, sexually motivated offences against women by way of attempted kidnap and false imprisonment. b, the lengthy and detailed planning of your intended offences against ms willoughby over the course of nearly two years. see, the course of nearly two years. see, the purchase of items to be used in the purchase of items to be used in the commission of the offences, including a restraint kit, a knife and chloroform. d, the research
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conducted into the personal life of ms willoughby. eh, the fact that you sought to encourage more than one person to commit these offences with g. f, the fact that you intend to commit these offences in ms willoughby�*s comb and to involve her husband and children and to harm them. gee, you plan to carry one or more nights seem to be used in the attack and to be used to murder ms willoughby. i do find that there is some mitigation in this case. your plan was unlikely to succeed given, number one, your physical limitations come in particular your gross obesity and the accompanying physical aspects, health aspects of that. secondly, your lack of a car and driving licence, although i note that you are taking driving lessons
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to not having a driving licence would not have prevented you drive in ms willoughby�*s are. thirdly, the difficulty he would have had a practice of bringing ms willoughby to your own clock undetected and your lack of any alternative premises on which to keep her, although you had researched various possibilities. i note however in relation to this point, namely the unlikeliness of your offence succeeding, your intended offences succeeding, your intended offences succeeding, that the essence of your offences was the soliciting of murder by another and the encouraging or assisting of another to kidnap and rape. that is the essence of those offences. it is fortunate that you did not succeed in finding one or more others who
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might have been considerably more physically able and perhaps more able in other ways than you were at the time of the offending. you were born on the 25th of february 1987. you are now 37 years old. i have borne in mind your background of physical ill—health, including increasing struggles with obesity to the point of gross obesity from the age of 13, as well as the social difficulties, physical health issues in mental health issues that have accompanied that. i have borne in mind that all of your research regarding ms willoughby was done online and that she never went to her house or structure in person, although it is clear that you considered and discussed doing so. all three of your offences fall within schedule 19 of the sentencing act 2020. given all that i know about you, having presided over your
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trial, i do not consider it necessary to have had a presentence report for purposes of assessing whether you are a dangerous offender. i am whether you are a dangerous offender. iam required whether you are a dangerous offender. i am required first to consider whether i must impose a sentence of imprisonment for life given the seriousness of each of these offences. although the offences of which you have been convicted concerning only one woman, it is clear from the evidence, including your prior convictions that you pose a significant risk to women generally of serious harm occasioned by the commission of sexually motivated acts. i find that you are dangerous. having regard to the seriousness of each of your offences individually and together, as well as everything else i know about you, including the facts of your prior convictions for similarly sexually motivated violent offending against women i conclude that they
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must impose only a sentence of imprisonment for life. it will be three concurrent sentences of imprisonment for life. this is not a case of such extreme seriousness that it case of such extreme seriousness thatitis case of such extreme seriousness that it is necessary to impose a whole life order. in other words an order under which there is no possibility of you being released. accordingly, i must determine the minimum term that you must have each of these offences. if i can sentencing you a determinate sentence, taking account of the numerous aggravating and limited mitigating factors in this case but avoiding double counting, after a trial i would have sentence due to concurrent sentences of 24 years imprisonment for each offence. because you would have served up to two thirds of that sentence in custody, ifixed the minimum two thirds of that sentence in custody, i fixed the minimum term you will serve a two thirds of 24 years, that is 16 years. finally, i reduced that minimum term of 16 years by the number of days that you have spent on remand in custody, 280
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days. this means that the minimum term that you will serve before the parole board may consider your possible release is one of 15 years and 85 days. it is important that you and everyone concerned with this case should understand what this means. the minimum term is not a fixed term after which you will automatically be released. you must serve every single day of that minimum term and it must be served before the parole board can undertake their first review of the case. at that stage they will review the risk that you then present i will consider whether you can properly be released from custody subject to licence at that stage, and if so on what terms. if and when you are released you will be subject to licence and this will remain the case for the rest of your life. if for any reason your license is revoked he will be recalled to prison to continue to serve your
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life sentence in custody and it may well be that you will never be released again. it follows that unless and until the parole board consider your release is appropriate you will remain in custody, possibly for the rest of your life. in order to protect ms willoughby from further harassment you will be subject to a restraining order prohibiting you from attempting to contact directly or indirectly including via social media, telephone, post a text message and prohibiting you from entering an exclusion zone shown in the map attached to the restraining order. the restraining order prohibits you from attending as an audience member orfor any other purpose from attending as an audience member or for any other purpose any television show a public event that ms willoughby is presenting or appearing in or out. this water will last indefinitely. given that i will be imposing a life sentence for each of your offences it is not necessary
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for me to make a sexual prevention order against you as the risk that you pose in that regard will be adequately managed through the management of your life sentences. i certify that you have been convicted of a sexual offence who you must keep the police informed at all times of your personal particulars, the address of a are and alteration in the name you're using. you will be given full details of these requirements on a form at the end of this hearing. the offences of which have been convicted are ones that will make you subject to borrowing from working with vulnerable adults. you will be told of the restrictions under the safeguarding vulnerable groups act 2006 by the disclosure service. the statutory surcharge provisions apply to the sentence. gavin plumb, please stand up. over a number of years you have pursued an
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unhealthy sexual obsession with holly willoughby that lead you ultimately to plan over that period to kidnap, rape and to murder her. the researcher home address, her security arrangements, her daily routine, her route to work, her family. he assembled a restraint kit, but would you believe to be chloroformed to incapacitate her and her husband. she intended to harm her husband. she intended to harm her husband. she intended to harm her husband and her children as part of your plan. she intended to recruit several people to abductee. you discussed and hideous detail to prolonged sexual violence that she intended to inflict on ms willoughby what she had abducted her and had her under your control. you're previously been convicted of terrifying offences involving the threat of sexual violence against four different young woman. i found you to be dangerous. you solicitor
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david nelson to murder ms willoughby or assist you in murdering her. he encouraged marc and david nelson to participate in your plan to rape and kidnap ms willoughby. the jury saw through the various lies that you told that the trial and convicted you of these offences for which i now sentence you as follows. for the offence of soliciting murder i sentence you to life imprisonment with a minimum term of 15 years and 85 days. for the offence of encouraging or assisting the commission of kidnapping i sentence you to life imprisonment with a minimum term to serve for 15 years and 85 days and for the offence of encouraging or assisting the commission of the act of rape, i sentence you to life imprisonment with a minimum term to serve a 15 years and 85 days. you may go down. so that is the judge sentencing
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gavin plumb for life —— to life in jailfor gavin plumb for life —— to life in jail for attempting gavin plumb for life —— to life in jailfor attempting to gavin plumb for life —— to life in jail for attempting to kidnap gavin plumb for life —— to life in jailfor attempting to kidnap —— for planning to murder kidnap and murder holly willoughby. thejustice told holly willoughby. the justice told the court that although the offence is concerned only one woman, he posed a serious risk to all women. thejudges said that posed a serious risk to all women. the judges said that there were no guidelines for sentencing in this case, but given the contest of gavin plumb's offence and, it would be a life sentence with that minimum of 16 years. thejudge life sentence with that minimum of 16 years. the judge told the court that he had carefully read holly willoughby�*s victim impact statement, which he said that she had requested to remain private, but the judge told the court he is confident after reading her statement that gavin plumb intended
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plans had life changing consequences on her personal and professional life. justice marie told the court that women should not be made to feel unsafe. during the evidence that we heard, justice murray outlined that gavin plumb is a member of our chat group called object lovers. he talked about his plans to kidnap holly willoughby, and how he told an undercover officer his clan is definitely serious and he had no doubt this was considerably more than a fantasy to gavin plumb, and that his plan was hopelessly unrealistic, but the that he clearly thought it was feasible. a reminder of the breaking news from chelmsford crown court, gavin plumb, 37 years old, has been sentenced to life in prison with a minimum sentence of 16 years after being found guilty of plotting to kidnap,
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rape and murder holly willoughby. the security guard from harlow in essex was arrested and charged after he disclosed his plan online to an undercover police officer in the us. the impact of his offending has been life changing for holly willoughby, thejudge was life changing for holly willoughby, the judge was told in court. so, life changing for holly willoughby, thejudge was told in court. so, a life sentence with a minimum of 16 years for gavin plumb. this is bbc news. she described the impact of gavin plumb's actions as life changing. thejudge said plumb planned it all meticulously. the plan to murder holly willoughby was the end point of a plan developed over a time to kidnap and falsely imprisoning herfor developed over a time to kidnap and falsely imprisoning her for the principal purpose of raping and otherwise sexually abusing her.
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another woman gavin plumb targeted says he could have been stopped — we'll hearfrom her later in the programme. also on the programme... ladies and gentlemen, president putin. another awkward moment for president biden, as he says he won't pull out of the us election. a major hunt for a man believed to have left two suitcases containing human remains in bristol. and one of england's finest cricketers, jimmy anderson, bowls his final international ball at lord's. and coming up on bbc news, we'll look ahead to the men's semifinals at wimbledon, with carlos alcaraz facing daniil medvedev, followed by novak djokovic against lorenzo musetti. good afternoon and welcome to the bbc news at one. the man convicted of plotting to kidnap, rape and murder
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