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sorryitis sorry it is busy same. sorry it is busy here,, but already we are seeing many republicans come out and accuse the democratic party for this. there is political unity across the board but i think we can probably see, probably get more of that at the convention. this will be the talk of the convention, i am certain of that. �* , , ., convention, i am certain of that. �*, ,, , that. let's get you caught up on the events _ that. let's get you caught up on the events of— that. let's get you caught up on the events of today. - that. let's get you caught up i on the events of today. former president donald trump has been brushed off stage with blood on the side of his head and his ear after shots were fired just minutes into his rally in butler pennsylvania on saturday, that's a town near pittsburgh fair. he is, of course, the leading republican contender. he then dropped to the ground, security teams rushed to protect the former president after those shots were fired. we now know a male attacker has been killed and at
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least one other person is dead as well. this condition is reportedly fine, and his been undergoing checks at a medical facility and as he was escorted away as we heard the former president raising his fist in the air to his supporters and we want to play you now and again, this is a disturbing moment but this is when those shots rang out at that rally. take a look at what happened... gunshots screaming get down, get down, get down! since that moment president trump has posted on social media.
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with me is christina ruffini. this is were seen is essentially a crime thing, isn't it? ., , ., essentially a crime thing, isn't it? ., ~ ., isn't it? right, and you know unfortunately _ isn't it? right, and you know unfortunately in _ isn't it? right, and you know unfortunately in this - isn't it? right, and you know unfortunately in this country| unfortunately in this country i've covered my fair share of mass shootings in the one that comes to mind from this is actually the worst mass shooting in us history which the shooting in las vegas where the shooting in las vegas where the sugar was up high in a hotel, shot across the vegas lip —— strip into a concert and
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as we were so, just after the shooting to get a view of down the field when you have this many people in a crime scene what tends to happen is people run, they lose hats and bags and shoes, all of that is evidence and all that potentially also has to be returned to people, so what we saw in vegas is they essentially created a grid in this very large field and started putting peoples possessions, different items, different things i would enter go through in the grid and it really gave you a sense of the scale of people that were involved in the incident and i think you'll probably see something like this as well because they going to want to go through everything that was left behind on the ground than they are also of course going to have to co—ordinate of the area to find out how we got onto the roof, whether it was secured a lot of when he got past secret service, whether it was outside the security perimeter, all of those things we should expect, not only the secret service of the fbi getting involved in investigating in the days to come as well as the weapon, whether weapon came from, the kind of weapon in the shooting experience or lack of experience or lack of experience that that you had.
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we're still learning details about this but this from cbs, our news partners, that the in this case was using an ar style rifle. from about 200 or 300 feet away. 50 rifle. from about 200 or 300 feet away-— rifle. from about 200 or 300 feet awa . ., ., , feet away. so some more details of course- _ feet away. so some more details of course. and _ feet away. so some more details of course. and i _ feet away. so some more details of course. and i think... - feet away. so some more details of course. and i think... and - of course. and i think... and second. _ of course. and i think... and second. i— of course. and i think... and second, i want _ of course. and i think... and second, i want to _ of course. and i think... and second, i want to make - of course. and i think... and second, i want to make sure we bring in gary 0'donoghue. 0ur correspondent on the ground, senior north american correspondent has been reporting from pennsylvania for us at the scene of that rally. it's now not on there and we can still see several lights of police cars behind you. what's the situation there where you are, just outside of whether took place? —— where the rally took place? —— where the rally took place? -- where the rally took place?— took place? it's going to be a lona took place? it's going to be a long night — took place? it's going to be a long night here, _ took place? it's going to be a long night here, there's - took place? it's going to be a long night here, there's no i long night here, there's no question, along like a law enforcement, unquestionably the fbi will move in here at some point, this will be a federal investigation and there is no doubt about that whatsoever. and the place is still on
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lockdown, it's still a crime scene and the police will be doing their work, they will be looking at that, which is now the big focus, that elevated spot is the secret service have called it, we believe it is that building with a white roof, metal building with a white roof where we believe or we believe from our eyewitnesses that the shooter may have fired at the former president. hitting him in the ear and killing someone in the audience and critically injuring to other people in the audience so far. that's what we know so far. so that investigation will continue and the locals here, said there wasn't really much by way of reconnaissance by the secret service before today ahead of this rally. there was a couple of businesses after each side who apparently no—one came to see them beforehand and scoped out the place, it happened from today according to them, so there will be questions about that and whether this was thorough enough ahead of time
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because certainly, from the people we spoke to, someone appears to have been able to get onto a roof and get a pretty clean shot, to be honest. pretty clean shot, to be honest-— pretty clean shot, to be honest. ,, ,, ~ ~ ., honest. crosstalk. i know ou've honest. crosstalk. i know you've been _ honest. crosstalk. i know you've been speaking - honest. crosstalk. | knowj you've been speaking with.. honest. crosstalk. | know. you've been speaking with.. a you've been speaking with.. matter of an inch or two away from the former president. really a remarkable fact and we are hearing from the president who said there in his post on social media that it struck him in the ear and you're right, it'sjust a matter of in the ear and you're right, it's just a matter of inches, isn't it? i want to ask you, because you've been speaking to people there and interviewing eyewitnesses. can you walk us through some of what they've been telling you about what they saw and also the moment when those shots were fired at the rally? i mean, there was panic. in fact, the rally? i mean, there was panic. infact, we the rally? i mean, there was panic. in fact, wejust had a video shared with us that we will endeavour to put on bbc output shortly from inside at
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the moment the shooting was happening, in the crowd, and you hear people shooting —— screaming and yelling and heading down the ground to try to get out of the way of the line of fire and it was shocking and frightening and clearly terrifying for those people in there. and you could see when people were coming out afterwards, many were very emotional, very angry, actually. some people were talking politically, if you like about who they thought may have done it or may have motivated it. 0thers have done it or may have motivated it. others were have done it or may have motivated it. 0thers werejust shocked that this has happened in what is quite a rural part of pennsylvania, quite farming country around here. this is something that is incredibly shocking and i spoke to father and son devon and his son colby, who was a teenager. this was the first rally. i have a farm two miles down the road and they saw the secret service shoot the suspect —— they have
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a farm. they saw the flashes from the secret service weapon as they took down the suspect. another guy we spoke to saw the shooter, he says, climbing onto the roof with that weapon, but was greg. he owns a building just over the way there and has been renting out some land here for the rally so people can park their cars. he is a local man. he says is all the shooter climbing onto the roof of the building that we talked about. he says he tried to warn secret service for a couple of minutes and they could not see the shooter and then, the shooting started and you saw the men killed, he says in graphic detail, he told us that how we saw the men killed. different from others who are in the crowd who are very upset, very concerned about the future of the country. some people who affirm gun rights advocates who are concerned about people getting hold of weapons and
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doing this at political rallies and you've heard the sort of wave of horror from around the country and no doubt internationally now at what's happened here because the president was asked was this an assassination attempt. well, it looks like it, doesn't it? we will wait to see what the fbi says but it's difficult to describe it as anything else at this point in time. we will see what the motivations are. there are so many questions we don't know the answer to, the motivations of the person who took those shots, security, all of those questions will come and, of course, the big questions about the impact on american politics and american society. american politics and american socie . ~ , , american politics and american socie . , ,._ society. absolutely. gary o'donoghue. _ society. absolutely. gary o'donoghue. thank - society. absolutely. gary o'donoghue. thank you | society. absolutely. gary . o'donoghue. thank you very 0'donoghue. thank you very much. bringing you now some new reporting. sources confirm to cbs news that donald trump left presumably where he was taken
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after the rally. we do not know where he is heading. trump was initially planning on going to his estate in bedminster, nj after the rally and then travel to milwaukee for the rnc on sunday. that was his original plan and we don't know where he is headed but we know donald trump has left the hospital after receiving medical treatment there. we also have tom bateman there. we also have tom bateman there and it's interesting to get the breaking news about the state of donald trump and it's what many people have been waiting to hear and be heard him updating him on his own social media accounts, truth social, but really an incredible outpouring of reaction across the aisle? absolutely. almost without exception what we have had our calls for calm, a sentiment that has been repeated time and
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time again now from former presidents, from current sitting politicians, both republican and democrat, but this kind of violence is totally unacceptable and also just getting more international reaction, you mentioned downing street, the new government there, new prime minister sir keir starmer in a statement from downing street saying that we are shocked at the scenes of the new —— siemsen president trump's rally and we condemn violence in the strongest possible terms in last 20 minutes or sojustin trudeau the canadian prime minister saying he is sickened by the shooting at former president trump, it cannot be overstated, he says : he is that his thoughts are with president trump and those of the events and all americans. also the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu issuing a statement, saying that his wife sarah and
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i were shocked by the apparent attack on president trump and we pray for his safety and speedy recovery. i expect more reaction. of course, it's the middle of the night in europe. we had that statement from the british prime minister and more of course i expect to come as people wait for wake to this news. ., �* ., ., people wait for wake to this news. ., a, ., . people wait for wake to this news. ., �* ., ., ~ ., news. tom bateman. we heard from gary _ news. tom bateman. we heard from gary but _ news. tom bateman. we heard from gary but he _ news. tom bateman. we heard from gary but he have - news. tom bateman. we heard from gary but he have courses| from gary but he have courses been speaking to plenty of eyewitnesses. it was outside the rally as the shots rang out. this is the moment he spoke to when i witness where he said he saw the secret service take down the shooter. so, so, we had a party here all day and you can see behind us at the brinkles farm
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and greenhouse here, we had a party. and we all decided hey, you know, when we hear trump there, we will walk up through the field, stand by the trees up there under the shade and watch, and listen to the rally, right? we could not see him but we could hear him. so, we walked up and probably 5—7 minutes of trump speaking — i'm estimating here, i have no idea, you know — but we noticed a guy crawling, army — you know, bear crawling up the roof of the building beside us, 50 feet away from us. so, we're standing there and we're pointing at the guy crawling up the roof. and he had a gun, right? he had a rifle. a rifle. we could clearly see him with a rifle, absolutely. we're pointing at him, the police are down there running around on the ground. we're like hey, man, there is a guy on the roof with a rifle and the police are like huh? what? they didn't know what was going on. we're like hey! right here, on the roof, we can see him right here,
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we see him, you know, he's crawling! and next thing you know, i'm like, i'm thinking to myself why is trump still speaking? why have they not pulled him off the stage? i'm standing there, pointing at him for, you know, two or three minutes. secret service is looking at us from the top of the barn. i'm pointing at that roof, just standing there like this. and next thing you know, five shots rang out. so, you're certain the shots came from that guy on the roof? 100%. it was up there for a couple of minutes — you saw him up for a couple of minutes? absolutely, at least three or four minutes. you were telling the secret service? we were telling the police, we were pointing at him for the secret service, who were looking at us from the top of the barn, they were looking at us for the whole time i was by the tree, binoculars.. could they see him? probably not because the way the roof, the way it sloped, he was behind where they could see but why is there not secret service on all of these roofs here? i mean, this is not a big place. gary 0'donoghue there.
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he was at the rally and he and his crew were able to capture the moment as they were taking cover. let's take a look. we are about ten minutes into donald trump's speech and while we were just about to go live on the bbc world service, we heard some shots fired probably a few hundred metres from where we were standing, probably about half a dozen shots we heard. there was a woman shouting that someone had been shooting. a guy came by and said that he thought they had been a couple of snipers, but he wasn't sure. and we're just waiting to see if things have cleared and we're just, as you can see, we're on the ground behind our car, which is not ideal, but that's the shelter we have at the moment and that's what we're trying to ascertain, what happened. i think the speech has stopped. i cannot hear donald trump speaking any more.
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0ne one of those moments in history where everything stops and you are trying to figure out what's going on. altering its manpower to cover all people we had from donald trump's spokespeople who said they have now left a local hospital about 15 minutes ago and we don't know where he will be headed. his original plan was to head to the bedminster residence in newjersey and then of course travel on to the
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rnc, republican national convention which was scheduled to take place on monday bringing you some from kamala harris, she was speaking in the same state, in philadelphia at an earlier event. the vice president says she is relieved that trump was not seriously injured and i will read you now, she says "we are praying for him, his family and all those who have been injured and impacted by the senseless shooting, violence such as this has no place in our nation. we must all condemn this abhorrent and do our best to ensure it does not lead to more violence". with me is christina ruffini. we've been piecing together the sort of reactions that security detail may have there and what kind of security may be in place for a very high—profile rally like this one? i place for a very high-profile rally like this one?- place for a very high-profile rally like this one? i want to clarify something _ rally like this one? i want to clarify something you - rally like this one? i want to clarify something you just i rally like this one? i want to i clarify something you just said because it is confusing. the
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understanding is the shooter was outside the venue but we're not sure whether or not they were outside the security perimeter, and as we've talked about those are two different things. the venue itself as the stadium, the raleigh area but we are seeing those those people in the security perimeter, depending on the side of the detail limit security an individual has, be quite large and push out around them to prevent things exactly like this from happening. sticking to secret service all day today, you know, one of the questions i've been asking is this is a former president, so he has a larger detail than another candidate may have at this stage of the race. however, he does not have as larger detail, i'm told, as president biden, right, and that makes sense — a former president would not have as big as security footprint is the current president, so i think one thing that will really look at in the days and weeks to come is how far out that perimeter was. come is how far out that perimeterwas. if come is how far out that perimeter was. if it was secure, you know? gary, our correspondent, who i want to say has done an incredible job finding these interviews out there, has been talking to multiple people and he said he visited stores and they did not
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hear from secret service and no—one came by to sweep them and it seems like, based on that eyewitness account, someone was able to scale this roof with insight of these gentlemen who were watching him but possibly not within sight of secret service. did but possibly not within sight of secret service.— of secret service. did that detail stand _ of secret service. did that detail stand out _ of secret service. did that detail stand out to - of secret service. did that detail stand out to you? i of secret service. did thatj detail stand out to you? it does, having covered so many of these, you know, you look upon these, you know, you look upon the roof and you expect to see a guy in green pyjamas with a very large, scary gun and the fact that this, and i've been looking an overhead of the site and how far it was from where the president was, it seems like if you wanted to threaten former president trump based on the screenshots i've seen, that would be the first place you would be the first place you would like, so i think i would be very curious, the questionable here as to why the roof wasn't secured, whether or not they swept it and how he got that weapon on the roof. we learned more about the weapon, didn't we, we learned a minimum amount about it but we know it is an ar style rifle. can you orchestra that means? yeah, i mean, orchestra that means? yeah, i mean. as _ orchestra that means? yeah, i mean, as this _ orchestra that means? yeah, i mean, as this was _ orchestra that means? yeah, i mean, as this was coming - orchestra that means? yeah, i mean, as this was coming up, | orchestra that means? yeah, i | mean, as this was coming up, i was texting with people and i'm pretty good on guns but not quite where i would want to say
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on air and if you're using even a very large handgun with any kind of accuracy, once you get to the hundred foot range, you are very unlikely to take the shot, even if you are a very good marksman so this is not surprising that it would be an ar—style weapon in order to make that shot and the question is what kind of other things were on that weapon. was there a suppressor which is amenable usually referred to as a silencer? even if that was on it, the bullet fires faster than the speed of sound, that weapon has a sonic boom effect so the first round would have struck before anyone in the audience would have heard that initial crack. 0bviously, audience would have heard that initial crack. obviously, the following rounds, you would hearin following rounds, you would hear in real time and people would know what was going on but they give you even less warning because you can see that footage you can see people trying to figure out what's going on and part of that is a delayed sound from that weapon because the bullet fires so quickly. because the bullet fires so cuickl . ., , because the bullet fires so cuickl. ., , , quickly. you can 'ust see the chaos and h quickly. you can just see the chaos and confusion - quickly. you can just see the chaos and confusion on - quickly. you can just see the chaos and confusion on the l chaos and confusion on the faces of really everybody involved, from the people who are there behind the president to the former president
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himself. and i was a delayed reaction of people watching it, of the security detail, coming to his aid and securing him. now, this becomes a pretty big crime scene. how are officials going to be dealing with the investigation and the crime scene developed with? it is also a jurisdictional- scene developed with? it 3 also a jurisdictional mess, as any of these things are, because you have local law enforcement, federal law enforcement, federal law enforcement, secret service, all of these different competing agencies and the good news is since 9/11, they have integrated much better, the department of home grand —— homeland security has broken another of those laws but you will see the fbi will have the manpower to do all of it, but you could be sure they will be sending annemasse as we speak into this location survey will help to be some of those interviews ——en masse. you would bet that those shops that have not got a visit from law enforcement will get one now and they will be trying to speak to as many eyewitnesses as possible but i mean look at the size of the crowd. but a
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lot of people to talk to in addition to people who had direct knowledge and then you have to sort through all right, is this story true, you have to run down eyewitness accounts because eyewitness accounts, when your adrenaline is pumping and you are underfire are not always reliable and does not necessarily malicious but anyone who has ever been in a life—size situation knows how scary it is and how it is hard to tell what's going on because are just trying to your survival instinct kicks in, so law enforcement will have to try to sort through all of that and i will have to go back and look at the records of what happened in the weeks up to this rally, was on the ground, what they swept, whether secured and whether or not they did theirjob. we secured and whether or not they did theirjob-_ did their “ob. we should repeat that the did theirjob. we should repeat that the alleged _ did theirjob. we should repeat that the alleged shooter - did theirjob. we should repeat that the alleged shooter in - that the alleged shooter in this case has been neutralised, killed, by the secret service snipers so we know there is hopefully no threat left in the area for now. talking about moving forward now, and this is still a presidential campaign, we still believe that the republican national convention will go ahead on monday and we are expecting or consequent politicians, a clear donald
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trump there as well. what will this do now for security protocols going forward? just like last week, _ protocols going forward? jut like last week, the only thing anyone here around the world was talking about was joe anyone here around the world was talking about wasjoe biden and his debate performance. i think this will be the only thing people are talking about of the rnc and i think it will be interesting to see how it has taken, whether, like we've talked about this is not a group that supports gun control, this is the party of more guns, this is the party of a good guy with a gun is the only way to fight a bad guy with a gun and you even heard echoes of that in some of the interviews or correspondence upon the ground. so what we have to say, your correspondent in milwaukee was saying they are already tightening security measures, wisconsin is an open kerry staight so up until now, the problem was not with the venue itself, before going about open carry weapons in accordance with state law and i would be interested to see if thatis would be interested to see if that is allowed because if i
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were one of these delegates going in, iwould were one of these delegates going in, i would looking twice of anybody walking around with a large ar—style weapon or even a large ar—style weapon or even a handgun on their hand belt. christina ruffini. iwant a handgun on their hand belt. christina ruffini. i want to bring in rodney davis. he's been following the events of today. just wanting to ask you about this political atmosphere. i want to read you something from acts, this was posted by something from acts, this was posted bij vance, a republican senator from ohio, also believed to be a potential frontrunner to be a running mate with donald trump. earlier, he wrote, and i want to get your thoughts, "today is notjust to get your thoughts, "today is not just some to get your thoughts, "today is notjust some isolated incident. the central premise of the biden campaign is that president donald trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs." and then he wrote, "that rhetoric led directly to president trump's attempted assassination." what do you make there of whatjd vance is
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saying? j make there of what jd vance is sa in: ? .., �* make there of what jd vance is sa int? �* saying? i can't disagree with senator vance. _ saying? i can't disagree with senator vance. i _ saying? i can't disagree with senator vance. i witnessed l saying? i can't disagree with i senator vance. i witnessed this rhetoric coming back in 2017 from the likes of bernie sanders and nancy pelosi, where they would legitimately go out and say republican, republicans are killing people because we disagreed with their approach to a broken healthcare system in the united states. and i think everybody needs to read what senator vance said and take a step back and realise that the violent rhetoric — i mean, the new republicjust a few days ago had a picture of donald trump and adolf hitler morphed gather on the cover of the magazine. i mean, trump is not an existential threat to democracy. he is not adolf hitler. he has been the president of the united states. we know what kind of president donald trump will be and he is clearly no adolf hitler. so
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yes, senator vance is correct. many people think today's result, today's — what happened today, today's tragedy and the tragedies that affected have affected so many people with political violence on both sides are a direct result of that type of rhetoric. let me ask ou that type of rhetoric. let me ask you this. _ that type of rhetoric. let me ask you this, i'm _ that type of rhetoric. let me ask you this, i'm curious - ask you this, i'm curious because it can also be interpreted, this statement, as something that may be adding up the rhetoric and increasing the tensions because we obviously don't know the motivation behind the alleged shooter, we don't know the shooter was even a dramatic republican. without these answers yet, they are laying this at the feet of the biden campaign. do you think that was the kind of statement that was the kind of statement that mayjust ratchet up the tension is a bit further? tie. that mayjust ratchet up the tension is a bit further? no, i don't think— tension is a bit further? no, i don't think it _ tension is a bit further? no, i don't think it well. _
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tension is a bit further? no, i don't think it well. they - tension is a bit further? no, i don't think it well. they are l don't think it well. they are similar most people believe, stop using violent and false rhetoric about politicians of both parties, especially at this point, but donald trump i would say what happened today happen to a democrat, say the same thing. vance was not wrong in bringing this to the peoples attention and as a matter of fact, what he said is probably going to be correct. i witnessed this myself post baseball shooting, we had a gunman who was screaming healthcare at us while he was firing at us. we knew within hours that he was a left—wing indoctrinated nutjob who thought he could change the balance of power in the us house of representatives by killing me and my friends. so we know it's very likely the shooter is going to have political motivation. and the more that that is downplayed, thenit more that that is downplayed, then it leads to future
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polarising environments that lead to more violent activity and again,.. lead to more violent activity and again."— lead to more violent activity and again,.. congressman, let me ask you — and again,.. congressman, let me ask you what _ and again,.. congressman, let me ask you what politician - me ask you what politician should be doing than to call for calm and make sure that there is no violence to follow this act. what do you want to see republicans do and democrats? what should they be saying? democrats? what should they be sa in: ? , q democrats? what should they be sa int? , ,, ., ., saying? first off, senator in advance's — saying? first off, senator in advance's statement - saying? first off, senator in advance's statement is - saying? first off, senator in advance's statement is not l advance's statement is not calling for more divisiveness. it's not calling for more violence and anyone who reads thatis violence and anyone who reads that is reading it completely incorrectly —— senator vance. what report republicans and democrats have to do is what we are witnessing now. if you go to social media and look at the media environment, its republicans and democrats all over america coming together to say we are praying for president trump, we're glad is safe. that's exactly the reaction that americans should have. violence should never be given a red shirt or a blue shirt for the victims or the
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perpetrators. congressman rodney davis _ perpetrators. congressman rodney davis of _ perpetrators. congressman rodney davis of illinois, . rodney davis of illinois, someone of course who knows very well and personally the impacts that political violence can have, of course, just important to reemphasise we still don't know the motivations of the shooter in this case. here in washington. former president donald trump has been rushed off stage with head —— blood on the side of his head after shots were fired at a rally in pennsylvania. donald trump has said he was injured when a bullet he is the upper part of his right ear. a male attacker was shot and killed by attacker was shot and killed by a member of the secret service after what we believe to be an apparent assassination attempt. he killed one spectator at the
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rally, two others are known to be critically injured. law enforcement is the expected attack fired what is using an ar style rifle from an elevated shed 200 feet away from the event and that shooting is now being investigated as an attempted assassination. according to cbs news donald trump is now left the hospital. it is not clear where he is headed to but we know he has left the hospital and his original plan was to head to his home in bedminster new jersey. we now want to play for you and again this is a graphic moment but this is the moment when that attack took place. take a look at what happened... gunshots screaming get down, get down, get down! several shots fired there. you could hear them and see the president reaching for his right ear.

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