rodney davis former congressman of illinois and christina ruffini, former white house correspondentjoined me. rodney, just that latest news, joe biden will be heading back to washington, he had been scheduled to stay in delaware. what do you make of what we've seen so far from joe biden delivering some brief remarks now expected to come back to the white house?— the white house? there were remarks that _ the white house? there were remarks that needed - the white house? there were remarks that needed to - the white house? there were remarks that needed to be i the white house? there were l remarks that needed to be said and frankly, i think he needs to show the american people that he is taking this assassination attempt on his rival, donald trump, very seriously. and coming back from delaware, which is not that far of a marine one helicopter flight, that's something that i think is good for america, to show the republicans and

democrats can and should come together on a tragic day like today. together on a tragic day like toda . , . ., , today. christina, immediately now, president _ today. christina, immediately now, president biden - today. christina, immediately now, president biden is - today. christina, immediately| now, president biden is really plunged into this role, isn't he, where he is still the political rival of donald trump but is also now really going to be tasked with uniting the country. be tasked with uniting the count . , country. right, president biden's job _ country. right, president biden's job as _ country. right, president biden's job as hard - country. right, president biden's job as hard as - country. right, president biden's job as hard as he | country. right, president. biden's job as hard as he is biden'sjob as hard as he is trying — biden'sjob as hard as he is trying to— biden'sjob as hard as he is trying to campaign in front of white — trying to campaign in front of white house and got a little bit harder from a political perspective because he is also still the — perspective because he is also still the president and he is the president of both parties as the — the president of both parties as the president of every american, no matter which party they support. so, it's important that he comes back. it makes — important that he comes back. it makes sense that he comes back — it makes sense that he comes back you _ it makes sense that he comes back. you wouldn't want to be sitting — back. you wouldn't want to be sitting in— back. you wouldn't want to be sitting in a _ back. you wouldn't want to be sitting in a vacation home in delaware _ sitting in a vacation home in delaware while there has been an attempt, if this was an attempt _ an attempt, if this was an attempt on his opponents life. needs— attempt on his opponents life. needs to come back to the white house, _ needs to come back to the white house, he — needs to come back to the white house, he needs to be communicating with the american public, _ communicating with the american public, he — communicating with the american public, he needs to be you know. _ public, he needs to be you know. we _ public, he needs to be you know, we headed his remarks tonight— know, we headed his remarks tonight he called the ataxic and — tonight he called the ataxic and he _ tonight he called the ataxic and he said the idea that there is political violence like this in america is unheard of and he said, _ in america is unheard of and he said. quote _ in america is unheard of and he said, quote "everyone must condenth— said, quote "everyone must condemn it" and that's the kind of message you want to hear

from — of message you want to hear from the _ of message you want to hear from the oval office, it's not something you want to hear from an undisclosed location in a state. — an undisclosed location in a state, another far away, but it was _ state, another far away, but it was important that he get back here _ was important that he get back here to — was important that he get back here to show that he was kind of at — here to show that he was kind of at the — here to show that he was kind of at the helm of this and the other— of at the helm of this and the other thing we know is that the bideh— other thing we know is that the biden campaign, for the other thing we know is that the biden campaign, forthe moment, has putts— biden campaign, forthe moment, has pulls down the radio, tv ads, _ has pulls down the radio, tv ads, they— has pulls down the radio, tv ads, they are taking pause. right — ads, they are taking pause. richt. ., �* , ads, they are taking pause. richt. ., �*, ., ., ., �*, right. that's tradition, that's something — right. that's tradition, that's something you _ right. that's tradition, that's something you see _ right. that's tradition, that's something you see when - right. that's tradition, that's| something you see when they right. that's tradition, that's - something you see when they are -- wheh — something you see when they are —— when there is an attack on iltness— —— when there is an attack on itthess on_ —— when there is an attack on illness on your opponent in a political— illness on your opponent in a political base but it will be interesting to see how long those — interesting to see how long those ads stay down, especially considering next week is the rnc— considering next week is the rnc and _ considering next week is the rnc and we've heard, thankfully, from the president, from _ thankfully, from the president, from the — thankfully, from the president, from the former president that he is _ from the former president that he is ok — from the former president that he is ok. he has reported he has _ he is ok. he has reported he has left — he is ok. he has reported he has left the hospital and i don't _ has left the hospital and i don't think there is anyway he is hot — don't think there is anyway he is not showing up at rnc next week — is not showing up at rnc next week so _ is not showing up at rnc next week. so it'll be interesting — a fine — week. so it'll be interesting — a fine line _ week. so it'll be interesting — a fine line to what for the president of the present's campaign and it will be interesting to see how donald trump — interesting to see how donald trump reacts next week. rodney, what do you _ trump reacts next week. rodney, what do you think? _ trump reacts next week. rodney, what do you think? will _ trump reacts next week. rodney, what do you think? will former. what do you think? will former president donald trump indeed be showing up at the rnc and how do you think this is all going to change that, really

important republican national convention?— convention? well, of course, donald trump _ convention? well, of course, donald trump is _ convention? well, of course, donald trump is going - convention? well, of course, donald trump is going to - convention? well, of course, l donald trump is going to show up donald trump is going to show up to receive the nomination and to announce his vice presidential pick and i will be there with the bbc, watching it all. great what happens later donald trump is only going to embolden him to do much to the nomination and has much to election day in november. what do ou election day in november. what do you think _ election day in november. what do you think this _ election day in november. what do you think this will— election day in november. what do you think this will do, - do you think this will do, though, to the events there? got a preliminary list of people who are attending, we know that his family will be there, we expect him of course to announce his running mate at the convention. but in terms of the convention. but in terms of the content of what people will be discussing, i doesn't feel like this will still be the typical let's lay out a party platform?— typical let's lay out a party latform? ~ ,, �* ., typical let's lay out a party latform? ~ i. �* ., ., platform? well, you're going to have the ability _ platform? well, you're going to have the ability to _ platform? well, you're going to have the ability to do _ platform? well, you're going to have the ability to do that - platform? well, you're going to have the ability to do that but i have the ability to do that but america is not going to forget that quickly what happened today and, frankly, those who are speaking at the rnc and the

dnc in a month need to recognise that, and they need to mention it and they need to talk about ratcheting down the political rhetoric, then use magazines, pictures of donald trump morphed into adolf hitler. again, we know who donald trump is and was as president. and all you've got to do, flip on netflix, watch the adolf hitler not miniseries and you can realise that donald trump is not the likes of adolf hitler and, frankly, those other types of things that we have to stop and i hope this because of the rnc and dnc can condemn the violence, make sure that they stand up to violent activities, no matter who commits them, and i hope we come out of this election cycle a better country.— a better country. writing one more question _ a better country. writing one more question back - a better country. writing one more question back to - a better country. writing one more question back to you i more question back to you before i come back to christina but in terms of we are expecting of course, a spectrum donald trump there when he expects the nomination — —

rodney. we are expecting to hear from a wide variety of people in the party so what do you expect to hear from those speakers? because of the republican party avoid what may be tempting in terms of ratcheting up the rhetoric here, how can i make sure that we encounter the country? i’ee we encounter the country? i've been in the — we encounter the country? is: been in the aftermath of we encounter the country? i9: been in the aftermath of these types of assassination attempts and unfortunately, you will have one offs that will be accused of ratcheting up the rhetoric. i know that's already happening right now. but in the end, you have to look at the totality of the messaging and i think what you will see is an optimistic approach to a better america. the president and the people of the rnc who are speaking are going to talk about the need to address the immigration crisis and the migrant crisis we have enough of a builder. they're going to need to address the crime

crisis in our major metropolitan areas ——at our border. and they will address the fact that when president trump was in office, our economy was doing a lot better thanit economy was doing a lot better than it is now. so those are the types of messages that i expected to hear before today and i certainly expect to hear them after today also. christina, that platform that we are hearing being laid out tjy we are hearing being laid out by rodney, the messaging from the republicans but this event certainly will be looming very large over the rnc.— large over the rnc. look, i would love _ large over the rnc. look, i would love to _ large over the rnc. look, i would love to see - large over the rnc. look, i would love to see the - large over the rnc. look, i would love to see the heat| would love to see the heat ratcheted down a little bit in the political debate in this country, especially as a reporter who covers, it is not increasingly dangerous to it any of— increasingly dangerous to it any of these events. we are hearing _ any of these events. we are hearing from individuals who were — hearing from individuals who were there but as soon as this happens. _ were there but as soon as this happens, members of the crowd turned _ happens, members of the crowd turned to— happens, members of the crowd turned to the reporters and essentially said this is your fault. — essentially said this is your fault, you did this. i would love — fault, you did this. i would love to _ fault, you did this. i would love to be proven wrong but i don't — love to be proven wrong but i don't see _ love to be proven wrong but i don't see this increasing the

likelihood that the language and rhetoric coming out of the rnc_ and rhetoric coming out of the rnc next _ and rhetoric coming out of the rnc next week is going to ratchet _ rnc next week is going to ratchet down the political tensions in this country. i think— tensions in this country. i think we're already seeing some finger—pointing from members finger— pointing from members congress — finger—pointing from members congress on twitter, saying, you — congress on twitter, saying, you know. _ congress on twitter, saying, you know, this isjoe biden's fauit~ — you know, this isjoe biden's fault i— you know, this isjoe biden's fault. i would you know, this isjoe biden's fault. iwould have you know, this isjoe biden's fault. i would have the caller heads — fault. i would have the caller heads would prevail and all of the things the congressman just said happen and we can have a sensitive — said happen and we can have a sensitive policy discussion but it's not— sensitive policy discussion but it's not exclusive to the rnc, substance and positive discussions in this country are increasingly elusive and i'm not sure _ increasingly elusive and i'm not sure that this incident is going — not sure that this incident is going to _ not sure that this incident is going to help either side stay focused — going to help either side stay focused on what they can do. i feel a — focused on what they can do. i feel a lot — focused on what they can do. i feel a lot of rehashing and finger—pointing in our future finger— pointing in our future in the — finger—pointing in our future in the next couple of weeks. i 'ust in the next couple of weeks. just want in the next couple of weeks. i just want to go back now to the scene there in pennsylvania. we are learning the fbi is now taking over the investigation and you are saying earlier this is going to be a jurisdictional nightmare, we have the secret service involved in a local police, the fbi and you are saying as well that they will likely want to be speaking with them of the very people we have been hearing from, from some of these witnesses that say that they may have seen the shooter carrying out this act. ?_

carrying out this act. ? exactly and ou carrying out this act. ? exactly and you can — carrying out this act. ? exactly and you can be _ carrying out this act. ? exactly and you can be sought - carrying out this act. ? exactly and you can be sought the - and you can be sought the interview that has now gone virat— interview that has now gone viral from your correspondent, the other— viral from your correspondent, the other tutor saw him climbing up the building will be the — climbing up the building will be the first on the fbi's list of people they want to talk to. the secret service has an investigative team but it is smaller— investigative team but it is smaller and this is such a large _ smaller and this is such a large event and such a large just— large event and such a large just perimeter area, large event and such a large just perimeterarea, number of just perimeter area, number of peopie — just perimeter area, number of peopie to — just perimeterarea, number of people to interview, of course i people to interview, of course i going — people to interview, of course i going to _ people to interview, of course i going to need help from local law enforcement, the fbi is going — law enforcement, the fbi is going to _ law enforcement, the fbi is going to be in probably giving orders — going to be in probably giving orders and dispatching different agencies as to how to carry— different agencies as to how to carry out— different agencies as to how to carry out this investigation. this— carry out this investigation. this is— carry out this investigation. this is also now a crime scene it is— this is also now a crime scene it is a — this is also now a crime scene it is a very— this is also now a crime scene it is a very large one and they are going _ it is a very large one and they are going to have to lock it down — are going to have to lock it down and they are going to want to come — down and they are going to want to come through it and going to want _ to come through it and going to want to— to come through it and going to want to try to find everything, including _ want to try to find everything, including the bullets that hit the individuals in the crowd and — the individuals in the crowd and kind _ the individuals in the crowd and kind of trace those trajectories and try to figure out exactly where he was and the ballistics of all of this, so there's a lot yet to be known _ so there's a lot yet to be known and is a lot that needs to be — known and is a lot that needs to be known and that's about going — to be known and that's about going to _ to be known and that's about going to be focused on. while the president and the former

president are making their way towards — president are making their way towards november. congressman, towards november. congressman, to come back _ towards november. congressman, to come back to _ towards november. congressman, to come back to you, _ towards november. congressman, to come back to you, you - towards november. congressman, to come back to you, you are - to come back to you, you are someone who has unfortunately lived through this kind of political violence. what was going through your mind when you heard about the events of today? you heard about the events of toda ?, . you heard about the events of toda 7, , , :, you heard about the events of toda 7, . ~' :, you heard about the events of toda7, , «a, :, , today? just, you know, memories ofthe today? just, you know, memories of the day — today? just, you know, memories of the day in _ today? just, you know, memories of the day in june _ today? just, you know, memories of the day in june of _ today? just, you know, memories of the day in june of 2017 - today? just, you know, memories of the day in june of 2017 when i of the day injune of 2017 when i had to run from bullets on a baseball field. they came back to me again. i wasn't watching the event, so i was notified by one of your producers but was checking my availability and i immediately went online and turned on the tv to see what happened. and it brought back those memories of that day, it brought back the memories of being evacuated from the house floor on january being evacuated from the house floor onjanuary six. being evacuated from the house floor on january six. and being evacuated from the house floor onjanuary six. and i witnessed violence from the left on the baseball field and violence from the right in the capitol and if there is no self reflection from members of the

media and people in both parties, when you use rhetoric that somehow one presidential candidate is an existential threat to democracy, and anyone who has used the type of rhetoric that doesn't take a step back and say, "maybe i have to write down some of these things to instead ofjust being indignant that somebody may have called them out for that type of rhetoric, but something also that needs to get coverage. when we individualise violent behaviour on one political side of the spectrum, without calling it out on the other, those individuals are no better than the ones they are covering on the ones they are covering on the other side and continually accuse of ratcheting up the rhetoric so i'm really appreciating the comments of my colleague here on the air with me but at the same time, there has to be a recognition in the news media across the board

that using rhetoric like this does contribute to the violent activities that we have seen in the united states of america over the last few years, including the too that i personally experienced. congressman, i was both of those — congressman, i was both of those events as i watched your college — those events as i watched your college get medevaced of the baseball field in virginia and i baseball field in virginia and i was — baseball field in virginia and i was standing outside the capitoi— i was standing outside the capitol on january i was standing outside the capitol onjanuary six, i was standing outside the capitol on january six, so i was standing outside the capitol onjanuary six, so may we att— capitol onjanuary six, so may we all figure out a way together to.. we all figure out a way together to. . we all figure out a way toaether to.. ,, ,, : together to.. crosstalk. i completely _ together to.. crosstalk. i completely agree. - together to.. crosstalk. i completely agree. it - together to.. crosstalk. i completely agree. it is - together to.. crosstalk. i completely agree. it is not| together to.. crosstalk. | | completely agree. it is not a nice place to be and it would be great if this were — if people could focus on ratcheting down. i agree, across the _ ratcheting down. i agree, across the political - ratcheting down. i agree, - across the political spectrum, in journalism, across the political spectrum, injournalism, everybody has across the political spectrum, in journalism, everybody has to be able — in journalism, everybody has to be able to— in journalism, everybody has to be able to speak their piece in a polite — be able to speak their piece in a polite and constructive way and that's what this country was — and that's what this country was founded on and that's what you're _ was founded on and that's what you're hearing in the background of some of these speeches but, you know, more and more. _ speeches but, you know, more and more, that's not the focus and more, that's not the focus and it's— and more, that's not the focus and it's not— and more, that's not the focus

and it's not my scene here but i'd and it's not my scene here but i'd be — and it's not my scene here but i'd be curious to ask you if you — i'd be curious to ask you if you realty— i'd be curious to ask you if you really think that this is going _ you really think that this is going to _ you really think that this is going to turn down the temperature next week in milwaukee or, i mean, people are angry. _ milwaukee or, i mean, people are angry, and that's understandable. do you really see this — understandable. do you really see this being less pointed rhetoric— see this being less pointed rhetoric or more pointed rhetoric— rhetoric or more pointed rhetoric from republicans in milwaukee next week? you know as well as i _ milwaukee next week? you know as well as i do, _ milwaukee next week? you know as well as i do, somebody - milwaukee next week? you know as well as i do, somebody who i as well as i do, somebody who is in the media, the definition of what is ratcheting up the temperature would differ between anyone who's covering those events. so you will see stories from certain media outlets that will talk temperature being ratcheted up. and others that will report what was exactly said. and that's part of the problem. i'm glad you were there in the aftermath of the ten minutes of bullets that me and my friends witnessed on the baseball field and you and others like chad purga, who i saw that day.. chadis purga, who i saw that day.. chad is a good guy.- purga, who i saw that day.. chad is a good guy. chad is a treat chad is a good guy. chad is a great guy- — chad is a good guy. chad is a great guy- but _ chad is a good guy. chad is a great guy. but in _ chad is a good guy. chad is a great guy. but in the - chad is a good guy. chad is a great guy. but in the end, i chad is a good guy. chad is a great guy. but in the end, in| great guy. but in the end, in the end, we still sore and in

the end, we still sore and in the aftermath of what happened that day injune of 2017, i went on every news media outlet i could and i said the rhetoric coming from both sides has got to stop. and we don't talk enough what happens in washington where republicans and democrats agree. and it's got an even worse since then. and they coverage has got to lead to some self reflection within the media apparatus as a whole. and, frankly, someone like yourself that's involved in the media, you need to call it out when it happens on both sides of the political spectrum. when you start to see those who are in your profession, just like i will always ask to call out things that my former colleagues say, you should do the same. rodney, i'm you should do the same. rodney, i'm curious _ you should do the same. rodney, i'm curious to _ you should do the same. rodney, i'm curious to ask _ you should do the same. rodney, i'm curious to ask you _ you should do the same. rodney, i'm curious to ask you as - you should do the same. rodney, i'm curious to ask you as a - i'm curious to ask you as a former congressman what do you make of the events of january six. those were events, of course, very violent events in the centre of our nation's capitol and those were events that were not called out by the

president at the time, donald trump, and now former president trump, and now former president trump who have been campaigning essentially a change in the history books here, rebranding the people that participated as heroes, saying that he wants them, he calls them political prisoners and he wants them freed. does that at all, do you think, contribute to the kind of charged atmosphere you've been describing? it of charged atmosphere you've been describing?— been describing? it does. of course it _ been describing? it does. of course it does. _ been describing? it does. of course it does. and - been describing? it does. of course it does. and as - been describing? it does. of course it does. and as a - been describing? it does. of. course it does. and as a matter of fact, i'm completely on record, saying anybody who breached the capitol that day and attach the brave police officers, whose brothers and sisters saved my life and everyone else's life on the baseball field in 2017, they should be held accountable to the fall extent of the law. but let's also hold people accountable for trying to break down white house fences, for trying to break into federal buildings and cannot be a 2—tiered system ofjustice that puts red shirts on certain types ofjustice and blue shirts on others. breaking the law should mean that you broke

the law and everyone should be held accountable equally. and there is a lot of americans right now who believe that that is not the case. and, frankly, that that is part of the problem that we are witnessing in america right now. it's leading to nutjobs like a gentleman today and those who walked into the capitol and committed violent acts against our brave officers and that gunman nutjob had tried to kill me and my friends, but the end result of calling out politicians for being existential threats to democracy. those are the — that is the end result of making it seem, in the 24—hour news cycle, that every decision in america is based upon whether you are in a republican or democrat. that is not what has made america great. and i will call at anyone who tries to use the violent rhetoric that we've seen —— call out. if it's

seen —— call out. if its president trump, i will say to him, if its president biden, whojust said president him, if its president biden, who just said president trump should be in a bull's—eyejust a few days ago. those are the types of things that those who are writing those comments, those who are making those comments, those who may work for those individuals, they need to take a step back and ratcheted down and when they do those comments, people in the media need to call them up for it, regardless of whether they think that person would be a better president than the other one. �* . . . better president than the other one. �* , , ., . ., one. it's been a charged campaign. _ one. it's been a charged campaign, it's _ one. it's been a charged campaign, it's a - one. it's been a charged i campaign, it's a discussion that needs to happen, is an important one in something that i'm sure the nation will be happening over the coming days and weeks and months. former congressman rodney davis of illinois and christina ruffini here in the former white house correspondent in the studio, thank you to you both. think ou. we've been speaking to our correspondent gary o'donoghue throught the night. he was at the rally and he and his crew were able to capture the moment as they were taking cover. let's take a look.

we are about ten minutes into donald trump's speech and while we were just about to go live on the bbc world service, we heard some shots fired probably a few hundred metres from where we were standing, probably about half a dozen shots we heard. there was a woman shouting that someone had been shooting. a guy came by and said that he thought they had been a couple of snipers, but he wasn't sure. and we're just waiting to see if things have cleared and we're just, as you can see, we're on the ground behind our car, which is not ideal, but that's the shelter we have at the moment and that's what we're trying to ascertain, what happened. i think the speech has stopped. i cannot hear donald trump speaking any more. the senior correspondent outside the rally as this

happened. gary o'donoghue was able to speak with several eyewitnesses moments after the shooting. let's hearfrom them now. i was about 50 feet from the president and i noticed three shots were fired stop i saw white smoke and then of course everyone was really panich and went down immediately. —— panicked. i saw there was a large speaker which fell immediately and then all over the president were secret service, etc. everyone was very scared and i saw someone being rushed to an ambulance just a few feet away from me. rushed to an ambulance 'ust a few feet away from me. someone from the crowd? _ few feet away from me. someone from the crowd? yes, _ few feet away from me. someone from the crowd? yes, i _ few feet away from me. someone from the crowd? yes, i believe i from the crowd? yes, i believe so. did from the crowd? yes, i believe so- did you _ from the crowd? yes, i believe so. did you see, _ from the crowd? yes, i believe so. did you see, did _ from the crowd? yes, i believe so. did you see, did you - from the crowd? yes, i believe so. did you see, did you get i so. did you see, did you get any impression of where the shots were coming from? coming from the building right there, or something over there. that's where you _ or something over there. that's where you have _ or something over there. that's where you have the _ or something over there. that's where you have the sound - or something over there. that's l where you have the sound coming from? _ where you have the sound coming from? that's right. and that's outside — from? that's right. and that's outside the perimeter of the event — outside the perimeter of the event itself? that's right, is outside _ event itself? that's right, is outside the perimeter. and what did you — outside the perimeter. and what did you do — outside the perimeter. and what did you do when you have the shots? — did you do when you have the shots? i— did you do when you have the shots? . did you do when you have the shots? , ,:, :, did you do when you have the shots? , :, ., ,, shots? i 'ust sort of collapsed on the shots? i just sort of collapsed on the ground _ shots? i just sort of collapsed on the ground and _ shots? i just sort of collapsed on the ground and head-buttl on the ground and head—butt there were so many rumours, people were saying the president trump was hit in the

ear, people were afraid that president trump was being pulled off to the ambulance, there was a lot of chaos and we don't know what's going on. it you saw at least one person being — you saw at least one person being taken to an ambulance? i did. being taken to an ambulance? i did 0k~ — being taken to an ambulance? i did. ok. and what was the atmosphere like when the shooting started? it atmosphere like when the shooting started?- atmosphere like when the shooting started? it was very chaotic and — shooting started? it was very chaotic and everyone - shooting started? it was very chaotic and everyone sort - shooting started? it was very chaotic and everyone sort of| chaotic and everyone sort of stopped and head and hunkered down. some people were trying to run, some people werejust saying still that everyone was really afraid.— really afraid. 0k, and it must've _ really afraid. 0k, and it must've been _ really afraid. 0k, and itj must've been incredibly really afraid. 0k, and it - must've been incredibly scary for you? _ must've been incredibly scary for you? it— must've been incredibly scary for ou? . . must've been incredibly scary for ou? , ., must've been incredibly scary i for you?_ because for you? it was, yeah. because ou for you? it was, yeah. because you came _ for you? it was, yeah. because you came here _ for you? it was, yeah. because you came here because - for you? it was, yeah. because you came here because you - for you? it was, yeah. because| you came here because you are in support— you came here because you are in support of the president? that's— in support of the president? that's right, that's right. and i 'ust that's right, that's right. and i just cannot _ that's right, that's right. and i just cannot imagine - that's right, that's right. and ijust cannot imagine this kind of thing — ijust cannot imagine this kind of thing i_ ijust cannot imagine this kind of thin. . . ijust cannot imagine this kind of thin. :,, :, ijust cannot imagine this kind ofthina. :, , . of thing. i was not expecting to be shot — at today, no. we were inside, the right of the stage by the forest line and we heard the shots, it was about five shots that went off in quick succession and then, the boom, the big speaker came down very rapidly. the big speaker came down very raidl . ~ ., the big speaker came down very raidl . ~ . . rapidly. where did that fall? think it fell, _ rapidly. where did that fall? think it fell, it _ rapidly. where did that fall? think it fell, it kind - rapidly. where did that fall? think it fell, it kind of - think it fell, it kind of looked controlled, i don't know if that was like protocol or something. it if that was like protocol or something-— something. it didn't hit anyone? _ something. it didn't hit anyone? no, _ something. it didn't hit anyone? no, no, - something. it didn't hit. anyone? no, no, didn't, something. it didn't hit - anyone? no, no, didn't, then we see secret _ anyone? no, no, didn't, then we see secret service _

anyone? no, no, didn't, then we see secret service jump - anyone? no, no, didn't, then we see secret service jump on - anyone? no, no, didn't, then we see secret service jump on to . see secret service jump on to trump to protect him and then everyone in the crowd dropped down very quickly. we were all kind of working together to make sure the crowd was safe. and then, he shortly thereafter stood up and put his fist up in the airand said stood up and put his fist up in the air and said a couple of things, none of us her because it was not miked—up, but he stood there proud and hopefully he is our next president after this. ,, :, he is our next president after this, , :, he is our next president after this, y:, , this. so you saw him get up after he- -- _ this. so you saw him get up after he... yes, _ this. so you saw him get up after he... yes, he - this. so you saw him get up after he... yes, he was - this. so you saw him get up after he... yes, he was a i after he... yes, he was a little bloody, _ after he... yes, he was a little bloody, the - after he... yes, he was a little bloody, the kizzeel after he... yes, he was a i little bloody, the kizzee was bleeding. did you see that? yes, yes. so the secret service put him on the floor but then he got up? he put him on the floor but then he got op?— put him on the floor but then her-otu? , he got up? he stood up and he was alive _ he got up? he stood up and he was alive and _ he got up? he stood up and he was alive and breathing. i he got up? he stood up and he was alive and breathing. ok, i was alive and breathing. 0k, and then _ was alive and breathing. 0k, and then i— was alive and breathing. 0k, and then i took— was alive and breathing. 0k, and then i took him - was alive and breathing. ok, and then i took him off? was alive and breathing. 0k,| and then i took him off? yes, very quickly- _ and then i took him off? yes, very quickly. did _ and then i took him off? yes, very quickly. did you - and then i took him off? yes, very quickly. did you see i very quickly. did you see anyone _ very quickly. did you see anyone injured _ very quickly. did you see anyone injured at - very quickly. did you see anyone injured at all- very quickly. did you see i anyone injured at all beside him? anyone in'ured at all beside him? :, :, :, :, .,:, , him? no, no. no-one around us was injured. _ him? no, no. no-one around us was injured. i — him? no, no. no-one around us was injured, i don't _ him? no, no. no-one around us was injured, i don't think- him? no, no. no-one around us was injured, i don't think any i was injured, i don't think any member of the public non—injured. member of the public non-injured.- member of the public non-injured. member of the public non-in'ured. :, , :, non-injured. could you tell whether— non-injured. could you tell whether the _ non-injured. could you tell whether the shots - non-injured. could you tell whether the shots were i non-injured. could you tell i whether the shots were coming from? :, :, ,, , from? looks like they were behind him _ from? looks like they were behind him on _ from? looks like they were behind him on the - from? looks like they were l behind him on the bleachers. right.

behind him on the bleachers. richt.�* , right. because i saw muzzle flashes from _ right. because i saw muzzle flashes from back _ right. because i saw muzzle flashes from back there. i right. because i saw muzzle i flashes from back there. right. and they were really close. 50 and they were really close. so ou and they were really close. so you think i may have been inside the perimeter? i you think i may have been inside the perimeter? i thinkl may have _ inside the perimeter? i thinkl may have snuck_ inside the perimeter? i thinkl may have snuck from - inside the perimeter? i thinkl may have snuck from outside, from behind the stages sort of whether gunshot sounded like they were coming from. hind they were coming from. and prodigiously _ they were coming from. and prodigiously any _ they were coming from. and prodigiously any police officers firing back or like that? i officers firing back or like that? ., , officers firing back or like that? :, , :, :, :, that? i was on the ground of that? i was on the ground of that point — that? i was on the ground of that point so _ that? i was on the ground of that point so i _ that? i was on the ground of that point so i wasn't - that? i was on the ground of that point so i wasn't really. that point so i wasn't really paying attention, i was just trying to find the friends i was with. trying to find the friends i was with-— trying to find the friends i was with. ., , ,, was with. the atmosphere like the people _ was with. the atmosphere like the people around _ was with. the atmosphere like the people around you? i was with. the atmosphere like the people around you? you i was with. the atmosphere like i the people around you? you very cuickl . the people around you? you very quickly- and _ the people around you? you very quickly. and everyone _ the people around you? you very quickly. and everyone was i the people around you? you very quickly. and everyone was kind i quickly. and everyone was kind of looking out which was reassuring ——it required very quickly. i think everyone was doing ok at the time. it was hard to comprehend as it was going on but.. i hard to comprehend as it was going on but- -_ hard to comprehend as it was going on but.. i know we are in the kind of— going on but.. i know we are in the kind of awfulness - going on but.. i know we are in the kind of awfulness of - going on but.. i know we are in the kind of awfulness of this i the kind of awfulness of this moment, still working out what's happened and what happened to who and why. but is it possible to — this makes it a difficult political situation in this country even worse, right? in this country even worse, riuht? . �* . . right? yeah, it's been quite horrible the _ right? yeah, it's been quite horrible the past, _ right? yeah, it's been quite horrible the past, at - right? yeah, it's been quite horrible the past, at least i horrible the past, at least year, you know, with the two candidates running against each

other but i think this might be a good thing for trump because he survived the shooting and he is a strong man, he got back up on his feet and put his fist in the air, probably said god bless america and feel like we're going to win the next event. you are watching bbc news. thanks for your company, where we continue to cover that news former president donald trump, trump being rushed off the stage with blood on the side of his head in his ear after shots were fired just minutes into his belly in butler pennsylvania on saturday. butler pennsylvania on saturday-— butler pennsylvania on saturda. :, ., saturday. he said on social media that _ saturday. he said on social media that he _ saturday. he said on social media that he was - saturday. he said on social media that he was injured l saturday. he said on social i media that he was injured when a bullet appears to upper part of his right ear. a male attacker was shot and killed by a member of the secret service after the apparent assassination attempt. he killed one spectator at the rally and two others are critically injured. law enforcement says the suspected attacker fired using an ar—style rifle

from an elevated shed about 200 feet away and that the shooting is being investigated as an attempted assassination. according to the bbc�*s us news partner cbs, donald trump has now left hospital and it's not clear here's that moment when the attack took place. ——joining me now live is retired fbi special agent and founder of elite mindsets kyle vowinkel. thank you very much for being with us this evening. just to begin with, your reaction to what we saw today?- begin with, your reaction to what we saw today? thank you very much- _ what we saw today? thank you very much. it's _ what we saw today? thank you very much. it's carl _ what we saw today? thank you very much. it's carl veart i very much. it's carl veart winkle and i'm repulsed, riposte to my core from what ice witness today and the rest of the nation and the world —— vowinkel. we are rattled by this senseless violence towards a political individual, regardless of one's political

affiliation or party membership, this is wholly unacceptable and horrendous behaviour and we have an innocent life which was lost today as well as, you know, multiple injured. so, it surrenders and i wish i was here under other circumstances. the fbi now takes over this investigation from the secret service. as an fbi special agent, talk us through now the next steps in a process like this. is next steps in a process like this. . '!~ next steps in a process like this. . 'j ~ ,, next steps in a process like this. .'!~ ,, ' ' next steps in a process like this. ' ' . this. is 18 us code 1751 which rives this. is 18 us code 1751 which gives the _ this. is 18 us code 1751 which gives the fbi _ this. is 18 us code 1751 which gives the fbi jurisdiction i this. is 18 us code 1751 which gives the fbi jurisdiction to l gives the fbi jurisdiction to investigate assassination attempts against president of the united states, so it's been in the media but fbi is sending agents to pennsylvania as we speak to work with the secret service and immediately begin the gathering of evidence, stage, obviously bringing the

witnesses, looking at the crime scene. it's too early to draw initial conclusions, having beenin initial conclusions, having been in a lot of chaotic situations in my career and beenin situations in my career and been in multiple firefights and combat missions in iraq and afghanistan, the initial news, initial reports i know that have come out of those chaotic incidents are almost always containing erroneous information so i would caution listeners and viewers not to draw rush conclusions volatility investigation play out and one thing i'm certain of is the fbi will do a thorough and detailed and professional investigation and it will become public record, once the investigation is complete, the details will be released as the public wants to and deserves to know what happened today in pennsylvania. as you say, very important to be careful with those details right now as they continue to come in butjust looking at some of the information and a

picture that we are starting to get of what happened, we believe that the apparent attacker was outside the perimeter of this venue on an elevated area, using an ar—style rifle. what do you make of some of those details? having worked several presidential events in the past with my former unit the fbi hostage unit team at the republican national convention sowah democrat in national conventions, presidential inauguration is, standard practice, and i'm sure the secret service and the local law enforcement set up a good perimeter and would sweep the perimeter, had counter surveillance and counter sniper teams up and the secret service, i want to mention, you know, what i saw in that video and what the rest of the world saw was really some amazing

things, some incredible reactions from the secret service professionals, in my excretory worked and trained with them, i have been at the headquarters in merrill and and getting trying to work with them and other instances and they are incredibly professional and well—trained —— maryland. that saw that in that video today, you saw the response force. these individuals, these men and women, right, when they heard the sound of gunfire, they responded and reacted instantly. and what did they do? they protected this individual, again, regardless of who holds the office or who is vying to hold that office, these men and women in the secret service immediately placed their bodies and themselves in between the threat and their protectee. and that's an amazing thing. think about that. they care so much for this republic, they care so much for that person whose in that office that they are

willing to risk and sacrifice their lives to protect them. again, that's an amazing thing that i saw in the video as well as everyone else. so i would like to dote there incredible response to the horrific response to the horrific response today.- response to the horrific response today. response to the horrific resonse toda . : :, , response today. and, of course, as ou response today. and, of course, as you well _ response today. and, of course, as you well know, _ response today. and, of course, as you well know, we _ response today. and, of course, as you well know, we are - response today. and, of course, as you well know, we are in i response today. and, of course, as you well know, we are in the | as you well know, we are in the middle of a presidential campaign, the republican national convention swiftly approaching. where does this put us now in terms of being in a security perspective for campaigning to continue to go ahead, for people to feel safe participating in democracy, people there who we saw they wanted to go to a rally and now this incident, what will law enforcement be having to think about in terms of how do you keep people safe to go about the business of an election? this definitely is rattling to our citizenry because they were expecting to attend a political

rally and hear their candidates speak and to have violence broke out and the horrible individual but lost their life, right, no—one was expecting that. so it is definitely unnerving to the voters in this country and again, i know the secret service, know the fbi, no local and state law enforcement were already planning to prepare for threats against both presidential candidates and had security measures in place which they planned for weeks and weeks and months and months and now unfortunately, the best laid plans... the bad guy gets a vote, we used to say, you can have the best most perfect plan but the bad guy does not follow our plan and the bad guys can sometimes all they need is a small little window of opportunity and they can wreak havoc or in this case unfortunately send rounds down range.

measures will be enhanced at the upcoming rnc, even more initial layers of security because there is arguably nothing more important than people being able to exercise their freedom of speech, people being able to exercise theirfreedom of speech, the gathering in order to support their political party, however that may be. their political party, however that may toe-— that may be. retired fbi secial that may be. retired fbi special agent, _ that may be. retired fbi special agent, we - that may be. retired fbi special agent, we thank| that may be. retired fbi i special agent, we thank you that may be. retired fbi - special agent, we thank you for sharing your expertise and insights with us here on bbc news. you are watching bbc news. you are watching bbc news. i am live from washington where we are covering that story, former president donald trump being rushed off stage with blood on the side of his head and his ear after shots were fired just minutes into his rally butler, pennsylvania on saturday. a male attacker was shot and killed by a member of the secret service after the apparent assassination attempt. he killed one spectator at the rally, and two others

were critically injured. law enforcement says the suspected