cleared and as you can see we have cleared and as you can see we are on_ have cleared and as you can see we are on the — have cleared and as you can see we are on the ground behind our car, which _ are on the ground behind our car, which is _ are on the ground behind our car, which is not — are on the ground behind our car, which is not ideal, but that's the shalter— which is not ideal, but that's the shelter we — which is not ideal, but that's the shelter we at the moment. there is no place in america for the kind of violence, it is six, six. it's one of the reasons why we have to unite this country. —— it is sick, sick. hello and welcome to bbc news. donald trump has survived an assassination attempt at a rally in pennsylvania. before we start this full hour with reports and analysis, let's first show you the moment donald trump was shot. he was pulled to the stage by his security detail. the fbi and local police say

the gunman, who was on a nearby roof, killed a spectator and wounded two others before being shot dead by snipers. and as you can see, security agents rushed to protect the former us president and hurried him offstage with blood on his face. he could be heard asking for his shoes before being led off the stage. he was also seen from this moment, which you will see shortly, realising he had to communicate to the audience, he lifted his arm in

the audience, he lifted his arm in the air and started pumping his fist. but essentially, the security service lifted their arms to form a chord in trump. he is shouting fight, fight, fight. he was rushed off in a motorcade and taken to hospital, later he went on to travel back home to new york. in a social media post, mr trump said a bullet had pierced his right ear. he is now in newjersey, where he plans to spend the night at his private golf club. so this is what we know about what happened. just to confirm, that assassination attempt was confirmed by the fbi at attempt was confirmed by the fbi at a press conference, there had been

questions as to whether it was an assassination attempt, and when this question was put to president biden, he had said, i have my opinion but i will wait for the facts. it was confirmed later at the press conference by the fbi that it was indeed an assassination attempt. the investigation kicked off fairly quickly, it is being led by the fbi, and only in the last hour and a half we've had confirmation of the identity of the shooter. we don't yet know the motive, that will take some time, but the fbi have confirmed that the shooter was a 20—year—old, and he has been named as thomas matthew crooks. president biden described the attack is sick, saying there was no place in america for this kind of violence. speaking at a press conference, and

fbi special agent give us this update. this evening we had what we are calling an assassination attempt on ourformer president, donald trump. it is still an active crime scene, we have a number of agents on scene, we have a number of agents on scene, we are also working closely with other federal agencies, we are also working closely with otherfederalagencies, our we are also working closely with other federal agencies, our state partners and local police partners. we do not currently have an identified motive although our investigators are working tirelessly to attempt to identify what the motive was. also there was the was pennsylvania state police lieutenant colonel george bivens. there was a grandstand, very large area, a lot of people there. the former president had come out

and had _ the former president had come out and had begun to speak shortly after six oclock— and had begun to speak shortly after six o'clock this evening, and within about— six o'clock this evening, and within about ten— six o'clock this evening, and within about ten to — six o'clock this evening, and within about ten to 15 minutes, a number of sounds_ about ten to 15 minutes, a number of sounds were— about ten to 15 minutes, a number of sounds were heard and it became apparent — sounds were heard and it became apparent that shots were being fired in that— apparent that shots were being fired in that direction. the chaotic scene, — in that direction. the chaotic scene, law enforcement acted heroically, quickly identifying and neutralising the threat, as well as responding to assist the various victims — our senior north america correspondent, gary o'donoghue, was outside the venue where trump's rally took place. that is a little bit old, that chart.... it was a few minutes into donald trump's speech when a volley of shots rang out. gunshots get down, get down! the former president can be seen clutching at the right side of his head, after that he hits the ground as the secret service pile on top of him.

theirjob is to put their bodies between him and the shooter. there was panic among the thousands of people inside the rally. many ran, many threw themselves to the ground. donald trump was seen getting to his feet and raising a fist to his supporters. signs of blood at his right ear. we were about ten minutes into donald trump's speech and while we were just about to go live on the bbc world service, we heard some shots fired, probably a few hundred metres from where we were standing, probably about half a dozen shots we heard. a woman was shouting that someone had been shooting, a guy came by and said that he thought there had been a couple of snipers but he was not sure. we are just waiting to see if things have cleared and as you can see, we are on the ground

behind our car, which is not ideal but that is the shelter we have at the moment and that is what we are trying to ascertain, what has happened. i think the speech has stopped, i cannot hear donald trump speaking any more. as people streamed out of the venue they told us what they had seen. one man, a local business owner, described how he noticed a man he believed to be the shooter climbing onto a low roof nearby, holding a weapon. we noticed the guy crawling, bear crawling up the roof of the building beside us. 50 feet away from us. we were standing there and pointing at the guy crawling up the roof. he had a gun? he had a rifle. we could clearly see that. absolutely. we were pointing at him and the police were down there and running around on the ground and we were saying there was a guy on the roof and the police were like "huh?" they did not know what was going on. president trump was taken straight

to the local butler county hospital. shortly afterwards he released a statement paying tribute to law enforcement and expressing condolences for those killed and injured. the statement said... the secret service also released a statement which said in part condemnation was swift. president biden had this to say. the idea that there is political violence and violence in america like this is just unheard of. everybody, everybody must condemn it. everybody.

i will keep you informed and if i speak to donald i will let you know that as well. but so far it appears he is doing well. the biden campaign is suspending its activities at the time being. but donald trump has indicated he plans to go to the republican national convention on monday as planned. in the meantime investigations will continue. everyone asking, how could an attempted political assassination be part of modern day america? hours later — a video of donald trump walking down the steps of his plane in newjersey has been shared online. posted by his deputy communications director on social media, the video shows trump descending the staircase unaided, whilst an armed agent stands guard. his right ear, which was injured,

cannot be seen in the footage. but clearly well enough to walk after receiving treatment in hospital. donald trump has posted these comments on his truth social site. let's speak to robert mcdonald.

he's a retired supervisory secret service agent and lecturer at the university of new haven. before retiring he led the team that protected then vice presidentjoe biden. hello and welcome to the programme, thank you forjoining us. first, your reaction to what happened what stocking first?— stocking first? incredible surprise. i'm stocking first? incredible surprise. i'm actually _ stocking first? incredible surprise. i'm actually in _ stocking first? incredible surprise. i'm actually in england _ stocking first? incredible surprise. i'm actually in england visiting - i'm actually in england visiting family so i was getting the reports a little bit later than real—time. this is what the secret service trains foreign practices for every day. any type of an attempt on the life of one of our project fees. many times, we go through the advanced process and it seems to be going through the go to our checklist and checking out hospitals and checking at the motorcade route and checking at the motorcade route and nothing happens. here is a

situation where a whole serious situation where a whole serious situation took place yesterday, there will be a lot of monday morning quarterbacking an after action reports to see what happened here, did something go wrong? there was a shot taken at the president but as far as the advanced planning and the venue security, there will be a deep dive to see what happened here and what we have gone wrong and that planning, if anything. this could have happened with a perfect advance and somehow this slipped through the cracks but we will find out. we will try to make our protected methodologies better based on what may or may not have happened here. fix. on what may or may not have happened here. �* ., ., , ,, ., here. a lot of pressure on the secret service _ here. a lot of pressure on the secret service from _ here. a lot of pressure on the secret service from the - here. a lot of pressure on the j secret service from the public especially. at the rally, our correspondent actually caught up with one of the attendees who was on the outside of the main perimeter area, and this is the gentleman who had spotted that something was up and had questioned why there had not

been reaction from the security and secret service. i would just like you to have a listen to this for me and we will discuss and possibly try to put his questions and to contest. we noticed a guy crawling, you know, bear crawling up the roof of the building — bear crawling up the roof of the building beside us. 50 feet away from _ building beside us. 50 feet away from us — building beside us. 50 feet away from us. so we're standing there, we are pointing — from us. so we're standing there, we are pointing at the guy, crawling on the roofm — are pointing at the guy, crawling on the roof... �* . . are pointing at the guy, crawling on the roof...— he i are pointing at the guy, crawling on l the roof...— he had the roof... and he had a gun? he had a rifle, the roof... and he had a gun? he had a rifle. we — the roof... and he had a gun? he had a rifle, we could _ the roof... and he had a gun? he had a rifle, we could clearly _ the roof... and he had a gun? he had a rifle, we could clearly see _ the roof... and he had a gun? he had a rifle, we could clearly see him - a rifle, we could clearly see him with— a rifle, we could clearly see him with a _ a rifle, we could clearly see him with a rifle. _ a rifle, we could clearly see him with a rifle, absolutely. we are pointing — with a rifle, absolutely. we are pointing at him, the police are down there _ pointing at him, the police are down there running around, we're like, hey, _ there running around, we're like, hey, there's _ there running around, we're like, hey, there's a guy on the roof with a rifle! _ hey, there's a guy on the roof with a rifle! the — hey, there's a guy on the roof with a rifle! the police were like, huh? they— a rifle! the police were like, huh? they didn't — a rifle! the police were like, huh? they didn't know what was going on. we were _ they didn't know what was going on. we were like, we can see him, he's crawling! _ we were like, we can see him, he's crawling! next thing you know, i'm thinking _ crawling! next thing you know, i'm thinking to— crawling! next thing you know, i'm thinking to myself, why is trump still speaking? why have they not butted _ still speaking? why have they not pulled him off the stage? i'm

standing _ pulled him off the stage? i'm standing pointing at him for two or three _ standing pointing at him for two or three minutes, secret service is looking — three minutes, secret service is looking from —— at us from the top of the _ looking from —— at us from the top of the barn. — looking from —— at us from the top of the barn, i'mjust looking from —— at us from the top of the barn, i'm just standing like this of the barn, i'mjust standing like this irr— of the barn, i'm just standing like this in the — of the barn, i'm just standing like this in the next thing you know, five shots — this in the next thing you know, five shots ring out.— five shots ring out. certain the shots came — five shots ring out. certain the shots came from _ five shots ring out. certain the shots came from that - five shots ring out. certain the shots came from that guy - five shots ring out. certain the shots came from that guy on l five shots ring out. certain the l shots came from that guy on the roof? ' :: :: , shots came from that guy on the roof?- and _ shots came from that guy on the roof?- and he _ shots came from that guy on the roof?- and he was - shots came from that guy on the roof?- and he was up - shots came from that guy on the | roof?- and he was up there shots came from that guy on the roof? �*ififii§;. and he was up there for roof? 100%. and he was up there for a coule roof? 10096. and he was up there for a coople of — roof? 10096. and he was up there for a couple of minutes? _ roof? 10096. and he was up there for a couple of minutes? at _ roof? 10096. and he was up there for a couple of minutes? at least - roof? 10096. and he was up there for a couple of minutes? at least three i a couple of minutes? at least three to four minutes. _ a couple of minutes? at least three to four minutes. and _ a couple of minutes? at least three to four minutes. and you _ a couple of minutes? at least three to four minutes. and you are - a couple of minutes? at least three| to four minutes. and you are telling the olice to four minutes. and you are telling the police and _ to four minutes. and you are telling the police and the _ to four minutes. and you are telling the police and the secret _ to four minutes. and you are telling the police and the secret service i the police and the secret service quickly we were telling the police, we are pointing at him for the secret service, the they were looking at is the whole time with binoculars. could they see him? probably not because the way the slope _ probably not because the way the slope roof went, he was behind. but why are _ slope roof went, he was behind. but why are there not secret service on all decent _ why are there not secret service on all decent roofs? this is a big blace~ — place. 0k, place. ok, so there place. — ok, so there was a witness speaking to gary o'donoghue soon after that assassination attempt. lots of questions. robert mcdonald, retired

secret service supervisor who is also a lecturer, joins me now and he is part of the team who protected the then vice presidentjoe biden. so, robert, what would you have said to that witness? he had so many questions, how would you have answered him? i’m questions, how would you have answered him?— questions, how would you have answered him? i'm troubled by his information. _ answered him? i'm troubled by his information, very _ answered him? i'm troubled by his information, very trouble - answered him? i'm troubled by his information, very trouble that - answered him? i'm troubled by his information, very trouble that a i information, very trouble that a citizen who was at the event was able to see that something appears to be not right, was taking it upon themselves to pass that information along, i'm a bit concerned that the information didn't get to the detail that specifically is around the former president. we work in concentric rings of protection, we have an inner ring, a metal ring and an outer ring, those people were vc in the outer ring ever seeing something that didn't appear right and they were passing the information along, as they should have, and i'm concerned that the information didn't get disseminated

to the detail around the president. i can tell you that if that information was passed along properly the former president would have been taken off the stage and brought to a secure location to the agents analyse what was going on or continue to try to neutralise that threat. i'm a bit concerned about that information.— threat. i'm a bit concerned about that information. how far would that outer rinu that information. how far would that outer ring girl? _ that information. how far would that outer ring girl? we're _ that information. how far would that outer ring girl? we're hearing - that information. how far would that outer ring girl? we're hearing a - outer ring girl? we're hearing a about the perimeter and the long distance, the fact that he had a rifle that had the capability to fire across a long distance. that outer ring, tell us about it. abs, bit outer ring, tell us about it. a bit difficult to _ outer ring, tell us about it. a bit difficult to be _ outer ring, tell us about it. a bit difficult to be securing _ outer ring, tell us about it. a bit difficult to be securing an - outer ring, tell us about it. 3 it difficult to be securing an outdoor venue. obviously there are a lot of concerns when we do an outdoor event. we are in the middle of a very contentious campaign season, and are election folks, the former president and the current president want to get out and talk to people, they want to be shaking hands and

doing all that stuff so it's very difficult to try to protect all of the different venues that they want to go to. i'm a little concerned that someone had a visible rifle and was able to get themselves in a roof, that that aspect wasn't taken into account during the advanced process, why didn't somebody say, hey, there's a roof over there within a certain yardage that if somebody had a high—power rifle, they would be able to do some damage here? so something appears to have broken down here. it is very unfortunate and i can tell you the secret service will look in the mirror is the information continues to flow, to see how this can be negated from ever happening again, or at least to the very best of their ability. or at least to the very best of theirability. in or at least to the very best of their ability.— or at least to the very best of their abili . , ., . ,, , their ability. in terms of assets, that would _ their ability. in terms of assets, that would have _ their ability. in terms of assets, that would have been _ their ability. in terms of assets, that would have been a - their ability. in terms of assets, that would have been a place i their ability. in terms of assets, that would have been a place in| their ability. in terms of assets, - that would have been a place in the ground, what are we talking about and what numbers? he looked after then vice presidentjoe biden, exactly how much detail would have been there?—

exactly how much detail would have been there? ~ , ., . . . been there? well, you have again the inner rinu , been there? well, you have again the inner ring. the — been there? well, you have again the inner ring, the close _ been there? well, you have again the inner ring, the close protection - inner ring, the close protection people are the detail agents assigned to the former president, they are responsible specifically for his safety at that event and moving him from the vehicle back and forth, getting him to the hospital or the airport. you then have a little ring which would be made up of secret service agents and local and state police officers, who had been fully briefed on the security plan and he were working in concert with the secret service, and then in the outer ring it is mostly local and state police officers, there are not many secret service agents specifically out of the outer ring. but there are capabilities for all of the different entities to community through a command post setting or through texting and e—mail send all sorts of other things that we use now. so i a little concerned that the information that the eyewitness indicated he was passing along seems to have not made it to where it needed to get to in a very

expeditious fashion. robert, ifi have not expeditious fashion. robert, ifi have got this — expeditious fashion. robert, ifi have got this wrong, _ expeditious fashion. robert, ifi have got this wrong, please - expeditious fashion. robert, ifi have got this wrong, please do | have got this wrong, please do correct me, i apologise for viewers in terms of detail. it appears that a headshot is what was aimed for. do targets, high—level targets such as donald trump wear bullet—proof vests at all? donald trump wear bullet-proof vests at all? . donald trump wear bullet-proof vests atall? . , , , at all? that capability is available. _ at all? that capability is available. it _ at all? that capability is available. it is - at all? that capability is available. it is usually i at all? that capability is - available. it is usually based upon intelligence or information driven based upon a particular event. whether he had one of those on yesterday, i do not know the answer to that. and quite frankly, even if he had won, it wouldn't have really done a whole lot of good based upon where the bullet grazed his right ear. so again, those are assets that are nice to have, many time the people we look after are not interested in wearing them and rely on the secret service to wear those bullet—proof vests. the aces who were with the president yesterday, the former president, sorry, are wearing bullet—proof vests. do the former president, sorry, are wearing bullet-proof vests. do you think that is _ wearing bullet-proof vests. do you think that is likely _ wearing bullet-proof vests. do you

think that is likely to _ wearing bullet-proof vests. do you think that is likely to change - wearing bullet-proof vests. do you think that is likely to change now, | think that is likely to change now, that you are likely to see the likes ofjoe biden and donald trump wearing some sort of protection under their clothes? wearing some sort of protection undertheir clothes? i wearing some sort of protection under their clothes?— under their clothes? i think this incident will _ under their clothes? i think this incident will certainly _ under their clothes? i think this incident will certainly get - under their clothes? i think this incident will certainly get their. incident will certainly get their attention and perhaps make them rethink how they work their normal processes and day—to—day operations. so we have a number of investigations now taking place, and investigations now taking place, and in terms of the fbi, they have called on the public to speak to them and send them any information, whether it is visual or audio. we had a witness that gary o'donoghue was speaking to, he had a lot of key information, and as you said it was concerning. what would the fbi do with a witness like that? how long would hold holden ford? what do they do with other information? what happens as the case is built? the rocess happens as the case is built? the process that _ happens as the case is built? tie: process that happens is happens as the case is built? ti2 process that happens is that after the initial assassination attempt, the initial assassination attempt, the secret service and the agents on the secret service and the agents on the ground and officers on the

ground will preserve the crime scene, they will make sure that all evidence various aspects of crime scene, including witnesses being identified and made available for the interview process. what will happen in that situation is at the secret service hands over the crime scene to the federal bureau of investigation, who become the investigating agency. the reason they do the investigation is because they do the investigation is because the secret service was involved in the secret service was involved in the event security planning and it wouldn't be transparent for them necessarily to do the investigation of the crime scene. so the fbi will now come in. witnesses have been identified that were there, that's all things and want to pass on information. my guess is that they will have somebody to interview that there will be done over the next couple of days. the problem with that witness testimony is that once you get further away from the actual happening, sometimes peoples memories and stories tend to float a little bit. so they will want to get in as quickly as possible, aged from

from —— agents from the fbi will work in common cert —— my work in concert and they will get these interviews done as soon as possible so that the investigation can continue. an investigation, it is a reconstruction of the pass and these agents willjust put the pieces of the puzzle together to see what actually happened here and wiretap it must be a phenomenal undertaking in terms of identifying the witnesses.— in terms of identifying the witnesses. . , witnesses. looking at the people that were behind _ witnesses. looking at the people that were behind donald - witnesses. looking at the people that were behind donald trump l witnesses. looking at the people | that were behind donald trump of witnesses. looking at the people - that were behind donald trump of the stage, those are all potential witnesses. there was news that the faa had closed airspace above the hometown of the shooter, why would they do something like that? i’m hometown of the shooter, why would they do something like that?- they do something like that? i'm not sure why they _ they do something like that? i'm not sure why they would _ they do something like that? i'm not sure why they would shut _ they do something like that? i'm not sure why they would shut down - they do something like that? i'm not sure why they would shut down air. sure why they would shut down air traffic over the shooter's hometown. i could see them shutting down the air traffic over the butler pennsylvania event site to keep that airspace clear but i don't know why they would shut down the airspace

over the shooter's hometown. tote they would shut down the airspace over the shooter's hometown. we will leave it there. — over the shooter's hometown. we will leave it there, but _ over the shooter's hometown. we will leave it there, but thank _ over the shooter's hometown. we will leave it there, but thank you - over the shooter's hometown. we will leave it there, but thank you very - leave it there, but thank you very much indeed, robert mcdonald. let's speak to the bbc�*sjenny kumah who is in pennsylvania. you are just you arejust outside you are just outside of the venue, what's the latest? taste]!!! you are just outside of the venue, what's the latest?— what's the latest? well in the last few hours probably _ what's the latest? well in the last few hours probably got _ what's the latest? well in the last few hours probably got a - what's the latest? well in the last few hours probably got a bit - what's the latest? well in the last few hours probably got a bit more detail about the man who has been named as a suspect, matthew cripps, who is 20 —— matthew crooks. there is a no—fly zone over his hometown. he is reported to have been registered as a republican voter but we understand he did make a donation to a progressive vertical committee the day thatjoe biden was sworn in. what we don't know really is why he did this. there was a press

conference earlier at all the questions were raised that the fbi about the police response resource think of it. there is an investigation ongoing so we don't have any kind of clear answer as yet. the speaker of the house, mike johnson, has said there will be —— full investigation into the tragic events. and later this week we will have, tomorrow we will have the beginning of the republican national convention and there will be increased security. this will be a seismic moment, we haven't had a shooting like this since ronald reagan was shot in 1981 and it remains to be seen how this will play out politically.— remains to be seen how this will play out politically. jenny, thank ou ve play out politically. jenny, thank you very much- _ play out politically. jenny, thank you very much. do _ play out politically. jenny, thank you very much. do stay - play out politically. jenny, thank you very much. do stay with - play out politically. jenny, thank you very much. do stay with us. play out politically. jenny, thank i you very much. do stay with us on bbc news. we will continue our

coverage of this breaking story coming from the united states, where there has been an assassination attempt on the life of the former president, donald trump whilst he was speaking at a rally. stay with us. hello. saturday brought disappointingly cold feel for some of us. temperatures for some north sea coasts only climbed to 12 celsius. it was a bit warmer where we saw sunshine, some warm spells again on sunday. but equally, cloud and a box of rain for some, particularly in association with this little weather front here, all tied in with an area of low pressure which lingers in the north sea. parts of southern scotland and northern england, sunday starting with clouds and outbreaks of showery rain. tending to ease through the day but some damp weather getting into the north midlands and north

wales. to the south of that, sunny spells and the odd shower. not a bad day for northern ireland, if often quite cloudy. many parts of scotland will eventually see some spells of sunshine with the small chance of a shower. the sunshine will make a difference to the temperature, 20 celsius in glasgow, just ia in aberdeen. into the evening, all eyes turn to germany for the kick—off of the euro 202a final. around the kick—off in berlin, temperatures around 21 celsius with clear skies overhead. back home, most places will turn dry through sunday night with some lengthy clear spells. however, by the end of the night, and this is quite eye—catching, the lump of very heavy rain is starting to approach the channel islands. we could see some heavy infantry downpours here for the start of monday morning. all tied in with this frontal system. this weather front will be moving its way quite erratically northwards through

monday so pulses of heavy and perhaps thundery rain in southern counties of england, wales and the midlands. to the north of that, some sunny spells, a few rogue showers, some of those could be on the heavy side. for many, warmerfeeling day particularly for some the north sea coasts. cassel could get to 20 celsius, london at around 22. that frontal system eases away during tuesday. high—pressure tries to build tries to settle things down, however, another area of low pressure swings its way in from the west, bringing rain particularly towards the north and west of the uk. furthersouth towards the north and west of the uk. further south at these, there are signs that at least for a while it may turn a bit drier and a bit warmer.

this is bbc news — the headlines... gunshots and screaming. an assassination attempt on donald trump as he speaks at an election rally in pennsylvania. mr trump says a bullet ripped through his ear. the shooter's been identified as a 20—year—old man, and a registered republican. we do not currently have an identified motive, although our investigators are working tirelessly.

our correspondent gary o'donoghue was forced to take cover at the rally venue. we are just waiting to see if things have cleared and we are just — as you can see, we are on the ground behind our car, which is not ideal, but that's the shelter we have at the moment. there's no place in america for this kind of violence. it's sick, it's sick. it's one of the reasons why we have to unite this country. welcome to bbc news. president biden spoke soon after the shooting — saying he was grateful to hear that his opponent was safe. in a televised address, the president condemned the incident, describing it as "sick". he later confirmed that he had personally spoken to donald trump. there is no place in america for this kind of violence. it is sick, sick.

this is why we have to unite the country. we cannot condone this. a trump rally is a rally he should be able to conduct peacefully without problems. but the idea, the idea that there is political violence or violence in america like this is just unheard of, not appropriate. everybody, everybody must condemn it. everybody. here's some reaction from international leaders to the assassination attempt on donald trump.

president zelensky said he was appalled to learn about the shooting. such violence has no justification and no place anywhere in the world, never should violence prevail. the italian prime minister said i am following with apprehension and news from pennsylvania, where the a5th president of the united states, donald trump, was shot during a rally. to him, my sympathy, and best wishes for a speedy recovery, with the hope that the coming months of campaigning will see dialogue and responsibility prevail over hatred and violence. olaf scholz, the chancellor of germany said the attack on us presidential candidate donald trump was despicable. i wish him a speedy recovery. my thoughts are also with

all of those who were attacked and affected by the attack will stop such acts of violence threaten democracy. i have two guests. we will discuss the implications of what has taken place. for american society and of course the upcoming presidential election campaign. we are now in campaign season. let's speak now to andy rudalevige, professor of government at bowdoin college and former chair of the american political science association's presidents and executive politics section. and scott lucas, professor of us and international politics at the clinton institute, at university college dublin. gentlemen, thank you very much for joining me and my apologies, andrea, if i pronounce the names incorrectly. i do apologise ——

andrew. we can start with you. what are your reactions to what took place in pennsylvania?- are your reactions to what took place in pennsylvania? well, this is not what i hoped _ place in pennsylvania? well, this is not what i hoped to _ place in pennsylvania? well, this is not what i hoped to wake _ place in pennsylvania? well, this is not what i hoped to wake up - place in pennsylvania? well, this is not what i hoped to wake up to - place in pennsylvania? well, this is not what i hoped to wake up to this morning in a beautiful rural wales. great for the former president was not more badly hurt and my heart goes out to the person who was murdered and their family and to those in a critical condition from the shooting. we heard a lot of comment... and i certainly agree with that that it has no place in society but it also has a long history full stop in 2017 a senior member of congress was shut when playing a baseball game but we haven't seen this at the presidential level since the attempted assassination of president reagan and i fear we are returning to 1968 and i972 reagan and i fear we are returning to 1968 and 1972 when these were...

certainly today's political rhetoric has top views and feelings and we see a confluence of the extreme rhetoric but also of course with america's crisis with mental health and gun violence, they are coming together in a very unfortunate way. professor scott lucas, do you agree with that, could you take it further for me? i with that, could you take it further for me? ~ �* with that, could you take it further for me? ~' . . , with that, could you take it further for me? ~' . ., . with that, could you take it further for me? ~' . . , . ., for me? i think andrew has laid that out very well- _ for me? i think andrew has laid that out very well- i _ for me? i think andrew has laid that out very well. i think _ for me? i think andrew has laid that out very well. i think where - for me? i think andrew has laid that out very well. i think where i - for me? i think andrew has laid that out very well. i think where i would | out very well. i think where i would io out very well. i think where i would id a out very well. i think where i would go a bit _ out very well. i think where i would go a bit further in terms of my own concerns, — go a bit further in terms of my own concerns, both as an analyst and my home _ concerns, both as an analyst and my home country is this further possibility of dissent and political violence — possibility of dissent and political violence and i say that with reference to certain specifics. we have _ reference to certain specifics. we have had — reference to certain specifics. we have had acts of political violence in recent — have had acts of political violence in recent years. andrew mentioned the shooting of the republican representative in 2017. there was a shooting _ representative in 2017. there was a shooting in— representative in 2017. there was a shooting in 2011, where someone was

seriously— shooting in 2011, where someone was seriously wounded. the kidnapping plot in _ seriously wounded. the kidnapping plot in 2020 and of course the attack — plot in 2020 and of course the attack on _ plot in 2020 and of course the attack on the capitol building in 2021 when supporters of donald trump --oin 2021 when supporters of donald trump going through the holes threatening to execute democratic lawmakers. what _ to execute democratic lawmakers. what happened at that rally immediately after the shooting, beyond — immediately after the shooting, beyond the iconic photograph that i am sure _ beyond the iconic photograph that i am sure your viewers will have seen today— am sure your viewers will have seen today of— am sure your viewers will have seen today of donald trump with his fist in the _ today of donald trump with his fist in the air, — today of donald trump with his fist in the air, there is an iconic sound bite~ _ in the air, there is an iconic sound bite~ as _ in the air, there is an iconic sound bite~ as the — in the air, there is an iconic sound bite. as the secret service are trying — bite. as the secret service are trying to — bite. as the secret service are trying to move him off the stage, he shouts, _ trying to move him off the stage, he shouts, wait, wait, and then he raises _ shouts, wait, wait, and then he raises that— shouts, wait, wait, and then he raises that face and says fight, fight, — raises that face and says fight, fight, fight. and the problem here is the _ fight, fight. and the problem here is the context in which trump, who was the _ is the context in which trump, who was the victim of the shooting, has built his _ was the victim of the shooting, has built his political career around the politics of violence. he has called — the politics of violence. he has called for— the politics of violence. he has called for violence at his rallies, violence — called for violence at his rallies, violence against democrats, violence against _ violence against democrats, violence

against other demonstrators like black— against other demonstrators like black lives matter. he has called for violence against the media, the left. for violence against the media, the left my— for violence against the media, the left. my concern is that the trump campaign — left. my concern is that the trump campaign will try to exploit this notjust— campaign will try to exploit this notjust to get campaign will try to exploit this not just to get an election victory in november but to rationalise and justify— in november but to rationalise and justify that politics of confrontation, the politics of violence. _ confrontation, the politics of violence, all the way to the point where _ violence, all the way to the point where donald trump has said that if he does _ where donald trump has said that if he does win— where donald trump has said that if he does win this election, on day one of— he does win this election, on day one of taking office injanuary 2025, — one of taking office injanuary 2025, he _ one of taking office injanuary 2025, he will act as a dictator and seek— 2025, he will act as a dictator and seek retribution against his supposed enemies. | seek retribution against his supposed enemies.- seek retribution against his supposed enemies. seek retribution against his su osed enemies. . ., , , supposed enemies. i want to pick up on one thing. _ supposed enemies. i want to pick up on one thing, scott _ supposed enemies. i want to pick up on one thing, scott lucas, _ supposed enemies. i want to pick up on one thing, scott lucas, the - supposed enemies. i want to pick up on one thing, scott lucas, the audio | on one thing, scott lucas, the audio that i heard, maybe we had different audio, but to let our viewers, because i don't think they have heard that full audio, but so they have as much information as possible. i did here, wait, wait, wait, but that was in relation to him asking for a bit of patience so he could get hold of his shoes. maybe he said wait, wait and then fight, fight, later but that is how i heard it. he wanted his shoes,

didn't want to leave the stage without his shoes. but let's return to that iconic photo. what do you make of the fact that donald trump had the presence of mind, considering what had taken place, to pause, to stop and to think, you know, i am going to speak to my followers, to the maga crowd? you have to give _ followers, to the maga crowd? you have to give him _ followers, to the maga crowd? gm. have to give him credit... followers, to the maga crowd? you have to give him credit... maga, i l have to give him credit... maga, i think we are _ have to give him credit... maga, i think we are having _ have to give him credit... maga, i think we are having a _ have to give him credit... maga, i think we are having a problem - have to give him credit... maga, i l think we are having a problem with your sound. scott, think we are having a problem with yoursound. scott, iwill come think we are having a problem with your sound. scott, i will come back to you. you are with me for the next few minutes if you don't mind. the president of egypt put out a statement saying, obviously condemning the shooting, calling for a resumption of the us elections in a resumption of the us elections in a peaceful and healthy environment.

there are clearly concerns about what will happen, the division and the conflict that could take place as we head towards november. i the conflict that could take place as we head towards november. i think what is striking — as we head towards november. i think what is striking from _ as we head towards november. i think what is striking from the _ as we head towards november. i think what is striking from the comments i what is striking from the comments from almost all lawmakers in the us, democratic and republican, as well as most international leaders, has been, while wishing donald trump the best, while hoping for best wishes for those who are at the rally, and let's not forget at least one person was killed, two critically wounded, is that they have emphasised that political violence has no place in decent society, which is absolutely right. the worrying thing is that there are few leaders who have come out and immediately started to play this game are turning this against particular groups that they do not like —— there are a few leaders. the president of argentina immediately coming out and saying this is what happens with the left, this is what you need to do against the left. the

hungarian head who has been accused of an autocrat himself immediately saying this is a problem with the global left, we need to stand up against them. that is feeding into the rhetoric from some trump supporters, prominent supporters, including, ironically, steve scalise, who was a victim of an violence, that we have to blame the left, democrats, the media, we have to blame the legal system and the cases against donald trump and all of this in the absence of knowing exactly what the motive was for that 20—year old man, thomas crooks, who was apprehended and in fact killed just after the shooting. tote was apprehended and in fact killed just after the shooting.— just after the shooting. we don't have andrew _ just after the shooting. we don't have andrew back, _ just after the shooting. we don't have andrew back, that - just after the shooting. we don't have andrew back, that is i just after the shooting. we don't have andrew back, that is a i just after the shooting. we don't i have andrew back, that is a shame stop scott, i will continue with you. do you expect the way the campaigns are going to be conducted to change as we head towards november? what do you expect? i november? what do you expect? i think that is a huge question in that i think we know that while

there is a big question over whether joe biden remains in the campaign, which has been the topic through the last week, or stepped aside for another candidate, the democrats will try to get this back on to what the administration has achieved in the administration has achieved in the past four years. that is not where donald trump likes to be, he doesn't like to focus on the issues in a campaign. 2016, 2020, or now. he tries to make this an us versus them campaign, you are either with me or against me. there is a real question here, which is notjust about how this plays out until november but about the future of american politics, how far he goes down this. he will play the victim, but how much does he turn that into him versus his supposed enemies? and i would hope that if trump does that, at the american media to start with and the international media

does take a step back from the spectacle, the horrible spectacle of all of this, recognise what has happened but do two things. one is try to focus on the fact that this is notjust try to focus on the fact that this is not just a try to focus on the fact that this is notjust a question of what happens with donald trump, but a question of what happens with the us system in the most important election since 1865. secondly, try to get back to the issues. for example, gun control, an issue that was highlighted yesterday. for example, the economy, immigration, health care, climate change, women's rights, including abortion rights, and of course the foreign policy issues, including the mass violence that we see, whether it is russia's invasion of ukraine or what is happening in gaza. can media do that? can they avoid simply being part of the ramping up of rhetoric and the ramping up of division and actually be a way forward and try to establish dialogue, or in the words of michelle obama in 2016, can't we all be part of a process where if anyone goes low, we go high? just

off the back _ anyone goes low, we go high? just off the back of that, the reform democrat reform leader in the uk is nigel farage —— out the reform uk leader is nigel farage. a very long time ally of donald trump, nigel farage, he has been speaking to bbc this morning and says is very upset by the attack on his good friend and he says the nasty narrative put out by liberals who oppose him almost encourages this type of behaviour. so you can see that this is a story that has gone global, and also the language, as well, can do a lot of damage. it can galvanise people, as well, as we know. andrew, i want to bring you back in, we lost you very quickly. a lot of the conversation now is also about gun access. many

lawmakers are talking about the us and its problems with the second amendment. what do you make of what could possibly happen after this particular event? second amendment rights are almost untouchable in the united states.— united states. yeah, and ironically most untouchable _ united states. yeah, and ironically most untouchable within _ united states. yeah, and ironically most untouchable within the i most untouchable within the republican party, i think this week at the _ republican party, i think this week at the republican national convention, for example, we will hear— convention, for example, we will hear further defence of second amendment rights as absolute. again, normally— amendment rights as absolute. again, normally when there is a shooting, there _ normally when there is a shooting, there is— normally when there is a shooting, there is a _ normally when there is a shooting, there is a brief period where people say, how— there is a brief period where people say, how can we let this happen? and then we _ say, how can we let this happen? and then we sort— say, how can we let this happen? and then we sort of let it happen again. there _ then we sort of let it happen again. there has— then we sort of let it happen again. there has been a little move in recent— there has been a little move in recent years towards trying to provide — recent years towards trying to provide a _ recent years towards trying to provide a little bit of a waiting period. — provide a little bit of a waiting period, for example, to purchase a weapon _ period, for example, to purchase a weapon i— period, for example, to purchase a weapon. i used to live in pennsylvania. it is not that difficult _ pennsylvania. it is not that difficult to purchase a gun and that

presumably has something to do with the shooter's ability to carry out this crime _ the shooter's ability to carry out this crime. i honestly expect very much _ this crime. i honestly expect very much will— this crime. i honestly expect very much will happen. there will be some hand—wringing but, again, this will be blamed — hand—wringing but, again, this will be blamed on somebody crazy, blamed, as we have _ be blamed on somebody crazy, blamed, as we have heard, joe biden's rhetoric, _ as we have heard, joe biden's rhetoric, incitement to his followers. we have already seen pretty— followers. we have already seen pretty high up political figures in the us— pretty high up political figures in the us blaming biden in effect for this crime — the us blaming biden in effect for this crime. i don't think we will see gun — this crime. i don't think we will see gun generally blamed too much. how would _ see gun generally blamed too much. how would someone like presidentjoe biden and the democrats navigate how this incident is handled, investigated, the commentary on it, as well, without reinforcing what scott described as victimhood, that we could see donald trump use? i

think president biden's original approach was the right one. he said i approach was the right one. he said i don't _ approach was the right one. he said i don't know— approach was the right one. he said i don't know that much, i don't want to speculate, — i don't know that much, i don't want to speculate, but he was empathetic towards _ to speculate, but he was empathetic towards the former president as a victim _ towards the former president as a victim of— towards the former president as a victim of a — towards the former president as a victim of a crime of the others who were _ victim of a crime of the others who were killed — victim of a crime of the others who were killed at the event, and he has basically— were killed at the event, and he has basically stuck to a path of empathy. this is one ofjoe biden's greatest _ empathy. this is one ofjoe biden's greatest political skills, frankly, dealing — greatest political skills, frankly, dealing with tragedy and staying above _ dealing with tragedy and staying above the fray in that regard. but it will— above the fray in that regard. but it will be — above the fray in that regard. but it will be tricky politically. on the one — it will be tricky politically. on the one hand it needs to be investigated objectively, quickly. i don't— investigated objectively, quickly. i don't think the findings are likely to allay— don't think the findings are likely to allay the harsh rhetoric of weaponisation of this event for political— weaponisation of this event for political purposes, but i do think that biden needs to stick with, you know, _ that biden needs to stick with, you know, political violence has no place. — know, political violence has no place. i— know, political violence has no place. i am _ know, political violence has no place, i am empathetic to the victim, —

place, i am empathetic to the victim, and that doesn't mean we can't _ victim, and that doesn't mean we can't talk— victim, and that doesn't mean we can't talk about our respective records — can't talk about our respective records and the presidential race that comes now.— records and the presidential race that comes now. professor andrew rudaleviae that comes now. professor andrew rudalevige and _ that comes now. professor andrew rudalevige and professor - that comes now. professor andrew rudalevige and professor scott i rudalevige and professor scott lucas, thank you both very much indeed, it has been great speaking to you. get indeed, it has been great speaking to ou. ., , indeed, it has been great speaking to ou. .,, indeed, it has been great speaking to you— thankl to you. got to be with you. thank ou. let's bring you a few more developments coming in at bbc news. a senior adviser to the trump campaign has told the bbc that donald trump needs more protection. stephen moore is a senior economic adviser with the trump campaign and was speaking to my colleague on the bbc world service a short time ago. the programme is called weekend. he said, i got a text from one of my associates saying that trump had been shot and my heartjust sank and i was afraid to ask the question, is he going to be all right? it appears from the video he had only been grazed by this bullet, but what is

so frightening to all of us is that if that bullet had been one inch further towards his head, this would have been an assassination. it is a scary day, we are all in shock. it goes on to say, again, whilst speaking to the bbc, that certainly donald trump does need more protection. there is a lot of inquiry now about whether the secret service was totally prepared, and before we move on, new reaction that has also come to us at the bbc. the former, very recent form, prime minister in the uk has also tweeted.

just the latest international condemnation and reaction to that assassination attempt on donald trump. he is ok, has returned home to newjersey but has an injury to his right ear. a bit more analysis before we leave you. our correspondentjoe inwood was looking at the layaout to the former president. using images from social media that we have verified we get a bit of an idea of the layout of events that led to the attempt on donald trump's life behind this lectern. look at these three buildings. this gives us a sense of the layout. you can see the stands where the spectators were waiting and where some of them were hit. this is the stage where donald trump was speaking. so we will go to here — those the three buildings. this is the area where

donald trump was. back now, this is an image, a video that was taken by somebody who was an onlooker. look at this building here. this is where the shooter was lying. you can see there are trees. and as we come in and zoom in here you can see that we have blurred the body of the shooter. coming forward one image, you can see those trees i pointed out there and there, and this is the building. the shooter was here and donald trump was here. using google maps it is easy to see it is approximately 130 metres — really not a great distance, and that is one of the reasons there are so many questions for the secret service about how this was possible, how the shooter got so close with an assault rifle. a couple more things to show you. this image was taken from a verified video — look on the roof. this is one of the secret service snipers and in this video we can see him firing back at the would—be assassin. there is donald trump.

and here is another thing to show you, rather gruesome video, rather chilling. this man here, we have blurred for obvious reasons but when you watch this full video taken from social media you can hear a shot ring out and then while everyone else is slow to react, this figure in the crowd, you can see he curls over. he doubles over and falls down far faster than anybody else and we think this is one of the people in the crowd who were hit by one of the bullets which seemed to have been intended for the former president. so using these publicly available videos we get a sense and we can see that he was here, so there is the stage. the building i showed you before is in that direction and this is where that doubled—over man was. we have more of a picture now of the events that led to the attempted assassination of donald trump. jo has also written a post on our

live page which possibly is talking through the fact that there is video that shows the possible first victim ——joe that shows the possible first victim —— joe inwood that shows the possible first victim ——joe inwood has that shows the possible first victim —— joe inwood has written a post. that is the analysis you can see, plenty of it. and read up on that on the live page. let's hear once again from a witness describing what he saw in the minutes, seconds before that assassination attempt. we were on the right hand of the stage, facing president trump, and we heard at the mirage shops around, whatever we thought they were. there was a spray we originally thought was a spray we originally thought was maybe a fire hose that was squirting for some reason, and then the speaker on the right—hand side started coming down but we ascertain later on was that something must have hit one of that hydraulic lines which caused that hydraulic to drop that speaker. we saw president trump go to the ground and then everybody started hitting the ground because

it was chaos and people were like, what is going on? we have talked to different people who were there and things like that and unfortunately, and that is a sad thing about this, this is not our country. this is a country we are going to but this would not happen in our country before. yeah, we have had assassinations and stuff but this is crazy. i served in the military, for us to come here and be able to support our candidates, they support there konta did it and i won't lay there konta did it and i won't lay the blame —— because they support their candidate. if this is a political game, this stuff has got to stop. this is ridiculous. that was some _ to stop. this is ridiculous. that was some of— to stop. this is ridiculous. that was some of that _ to stop. this is ridiculous. that was some of that reaction i to stop. this is ridiculous. that was some of that reaction at the venue itself, just after that assassination attempt had taken place. before i leave you our coverage will continue of this story. i want to bring you some of the strongest images from the last

few hours. donald trump onstage just before he is carried off the stage by his security detail. an assassination attempt. you can see the blood across his face. we later learnt it was his right ear that have been pierced by a bullet. shot by a shooter, 20—year—old shooter from a rooftop location. the bullet pierced his right ear, he was rushed off the stage. the shooter was killed. this is bbc news. hello, there. for many, there will be some dry and bright weather around today, little bit of sunshine but quite a bit of cloud, too. particularly across parts of northern england and across scotland. in the borders earlier it was a little bit murky. we have some rain around here but also some murkiness around some of the coast of scotland further north, as well. this low pressure is the reason we

have seen all the rain through the weekend, high pressure is building into the west, which is why the north west highlands may well see the lion's share of the sunshine. still a cool breeze with us today but not as strong as yesterday, but still ringing in rather dang and drizzly weather to parts of southern scotland come into northern england. one or two light showers potentially for northern ireland, further south and west across england and wales, but fewer than yesterday and they shouldn't be as heavy, either. temperatures will get a little higher, as well, because we are getting a bit more sunshine. just the slightest chance of a shower at wimbledon and it should be dry, as you can see in berlin, for the match this evening. white one, as well, probably warmer than it will be here in the uk this evening. if you are planning to go and watch the match on a big screen around the uk, i think you will be quite cool into the evening hours. a lot of dry weather around butjust the evening hours. a lot of dry weather around but just still some lingering drizzle perhaps across parts of the north of england in particular, and towards the north. again, it should be light and patchy, as you can see, by that

stage, we can feature all the time. the north wind starting to ease, the winds falling light, a bit of mist and fog by the morning as we saw earlier and already by morning more rain pushing into the southend west. so a bit on the cool side this thing, but a chilly it looks like a reversal of fortunes for tomorrow. we will see drier weather across the north and east of scotland, northern england. we have got a short winter instead so it will be one. instead we have heavy rain, thunder remained living across parts of southern england, wales, marching its way steadily southward through the day. but, yes, quite a notable change where we are seeing just 12 to 1a across the north sea coast today. it should feel warmer and a little bit brighter tomorrow with some sunshine. that low pressure moves into the north sea again on tuesday, taking with it a lot of showers, though perhaps a brief ridge of high pressure around mid week. doesn't last long, more weather systems coming into the north and west, so thatis coming into the north and west, so that is primarily where we think we will see the rain late in the week and perhaps something a little bit to drier further south. there and perhaps something a little bit to drierfurther south. there is more, as ever, on the website.

live from london, this is bbc news. gunshots and screaming an assassination attempt on donald trump as he speaks at an election rally in pennsylvania. mr trump says a bullet ripped through his ear. he survived without any serious injuries. the shooter's been identified as a 20—year—old man and a registered republican. here he is, lining up a shot on a nearby roof. we do not currently have an identified motive, although our investigators are working tirelessly. our correspondent gary o'donoghue was forced to take cover at the rally venue. we're just waiting to if things have

cleared and as you can see, we are on the ground behind our car, which is not ideal, but that's at the shelter we have at the moment. there is no place in america for this kind — there is no place in america for this kind of— there is no place in america for this kind of violence, it is sick, sick~ _ this kind of violence, it is sick, sick~ it's— this kind of violence, it is sick, sick~ it's one _ this kind of violence, it is sick, sick. it's one of the reasons why we have _ sick. it's one of the reasons why we have to _ sick. it's one of the reasons why we have to unite — sick. it's one of the reasons why we have to unite this country. hello, i'm maryam moshiri. donald trump has survived an assassination attempt at a rally in pennsylvania. before we start this full hour with reports and analysis, let's first show you the moment donald trump was shot. the fbi and local police say the gunman, who was on a nearby roof, killed a spectator and wounded two others before being shot dead by snipers. and as you can see, security agents rushed to protect the former us president and hurried him offstage with blood on his face. in a social media post,

mr trump said a bullet had pierced his ear.