donald trump names his running mate — what does that tell us about his strategy to get back to the white house? and here, labour's two child benefit cap battle — is sir keir starmer about to face his first challenge from his own backbenchers? good evening welcome to newsnight for interviews and insight — this evening we'll be live at the republican convention in wisconsin where we'll talk to long—time trump friend and ally elizabeth pipko. mr trump is already there,

the convention isn't due to hearfrom him officially until thursday — there's a clamour to hearfrom him before then after surviving that assasination attempt. your panel tonight, nick bryant, former bbc washington correspondent and author — his book, forever war: america's unending conflict with itself, isjust published. and his tome is on the reading list of president biden. that must have been quite a moment! a happy moment for sure. your publishers _ a happy moment for sure. your publishers must _ a happy moment for sure. your publishers must have _ a happy moment for sure. your publishers must have been - a happy moment for sure. your publishers must have been delighted! editor of the right leaning spectator magazine fraser nelson. labour peer baroness shami chakrabati. and as always, our political editor nick watt. news out of the republican convention in the last few hours — jd vance — the ohio senator who once actually said — �*i'm a never trump guy�* —

is now mr trump's running mate. here's the official announcement. ladies and gentlemen i'm proud to announce that senatorjd vance has the overwhelming support of this convention to be the next vice president of the united states! what does this pick tell us about a strategy? he what does this pick tell us about a strate: ? , , , what does this pick tell us about a strate ? , , , strategy? he believes his road back to the white — strategy? he believes his road back to the white house _ strategy? he believes his road back to the white house will— strategy? he believes his road back to the white house will go - strategy? he believes his road back to the white house will go through | to the white house will go through three key rust belt states, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. the states that he unexpectedly won in 2016 and hillary clinton lost. the democrats thought they were part of the impregnable blue wall butjoe biden won the back in 2020 and that is the reason that he sits today in the white house. so they seejd vance who comes from ohio, a state with a similar vibe as a rust belt whisperer and that i think it's why

they selected him. it also tells us about the direction of travel of the republican party and as you said jd vance was a critic of donald trump and called him an idiot, he called him loathsome and privately described as potentially america's hitler. but it shows that he became a trump impersonator are not a critic and when he ran for the ohio senate he needed the support of donald trump and he appeared with him on stage. well it shows in the republican party that to do well you have to kiss donald trump's cars. and it was tweeted yesterday that the campaign rhetoric led directly to the assassination attempt. yes. to the assassination attempt. yes, he has been _ to the assassination attempt. yes, he has been additional _ to the assassination attempt. yes, he has been additional for the role for some _ he has been additional for the role for some time. the other area where

he aligns _ for some time. the other area where he aligns with champ is in the opposition to the aid to ukraine. and jd _ opposition to the aid to ukraine. and jd vance was at the forefront of the debate — and jd vance was at the forefront of the debate saying zelensky is costing — the debate saying zelensky is costing us this money, we cannot write _ costing us this money, we cannot write a _ costing us this money, we cannot write a blank cheque. and when he first came — write a blank cheque. and when he first came out against no fly zones that is_ first came out against no fly zones that is when donald trump thought this guy— that is when donald trump thought this guy who used to call me hitler may have — this guy who used to call me hitler may have a — this guy who used to call me hitler may have a point after all. he could have chosen — may have a point after all. he could have chosen someone else, slightly more, _ have chosen someone else, slightly more. if— have chosen someone else, slightly more. if you — have chosen someone else, slightly more, if you like mike pence was the establishment candidate and marco ruhio_ establishment candidate and marco rubio could be seen as the same thing _ rubio could be seen as the same thing but — rubio could be seen as the same thing but in going forjd vance it is a double insurgence tactic if you like _ is a double insurgence tactic if you like. doubling down on his kind of disruptive — like. doubling down on his kind of disruptive programme, his radicalism. jd vance is a candidate who represents the anger of the country—

who represents the anger of the country as— who represents the anger of the country as well as its aspiration. so how— country as well as its aspiration. so how does it fit with donald trump saying he wants to bring the country together? can at 78 donald trump change? together? can at 78 donald trump chance? , , , ., , together? can at 78 donald trump chance? ,, , ., , ., ~ ., change? unless the plan is a kind of thin bird change? unless the plan is a kind of thing bird donald _ change? unless the plan is a kind of thing bird donald trump _ change? unless the plan is a kind of thing bird donald trump is - change? unless the plan is a kind of thing bird donald trump is now - change? unless the plan is a kind of thing bird donald trump is now the | thing bird donald trump is now the nice guy. but that in itself is curious because of the colourful remarks thatjd vance himself has made and things i would struggle to say about donald trump, whatever you may think. and now he's calling out democrats for saying things much more timid. for what i would call just fair criticism about undermining democracy and so on. which whether you agree or not you have to be able to argue in a democracy and in particular in the land of the first amendment. how weird if we will now have speech control instead of gun control as a result of what happened at the weekend. i result of what happened at the weekend. ~ ., ., , , result of what happened at the weekend. ~' ., ., , , ., weekend. i think foote is trying to do, uuite weekend. i think foote is trying to do. quite often — weekend. i think foote is trying to do, quite often when _ weekend. i think foote is trying to do, quite often when there - weekend. i think foote is trying to do, quite often when there is - weekend. i think foote is trying to do, quite often when there is an i do, quite often when there is an attack— do, quite often when there is an attack people will say this is

rhetoric, _ attack people will say this is rhetoric, anti—immigrant and this has led _ rhetoric, anti—immigrant and this has led to— rhetoric, anti—immigrant and this has led to an attack on immigrants or something so the right to feel that they— or something so the right to feel that they get this quite a lot and you have — that they get this quite a lot and you have this attempt to turn it back— you have this attempt to turn it back on— you have this attempt to turn it back on them right now saying did you see _ back on them right now saying did you see what david reller rich said on twitter— you see what david reller rich said on twitter three weeks ago, really bizarre _ on twitter three weeks ago, really bizarre and — on twitter three weeks ago, really bizarre and dangerous stuff. but some _ bizarre and dangerous stuff. but some elements of the right have tried _ some elements of the right have tried to — some elements of the right have tried to give it this words have consequences line which they used to be consequences line which they used to he on _ consequences line which they used to he on the _ consequences line which they used to be on the receiving end. butjd vance, — be on the receiving end. butjd vance, he _ be on the receiving end. butjd vance, he backed donald trump saying that the _ vance, he backed donald trump saying that the election was rigged last time so — that the election was rigged last time so he has seldom lost an opportunity to align and almost make himself— opportunity to align and almost make himself a _ opportunity to align and almost make himself a art writer. he was harder on ukraine — himself a art writer. he was harder on ukraine than donald trump or himself — on ukraine than donald trump or himself. �* ., , ., , on ukraine than donald trump or himself. �* ., , .,, ., himself. and donald trump was asked about the beard _ himself. and donald trump was asked about the beard and _ himself. and donald trump was asked about the beard and he _ himself. and donald trump was asked about the beard and he said _ himself. and donald trump was asked about the beard and he said that - himself. and donald trump was asked about the beard and he said that jd i about the beard and he said thatjd vance _ about the beard and he said thatjd vance looks — about the beard and he said thatjd vance looks like _ about the beard and he said thatjd vance looks like a _ about the beard and he said thatjd vance looks like a young _ about the beard and he said thatjd vance looks like a young abraham i vance looks like a young abraham lincoln! _ vance looks like a young abraham lincoln! , ., ., ., .,

lincoln! there is a generational as - ect, lincoln! there is a generational asuect. he _ lincoln! there is a generational aspect. he is — lincoln! there is a generational aspect, he is 39 _ lincoln! there is a generational aspect, he is 39 years - lincoln! there is a generational aspect, he is 39 years old - lincoln! there is a generational aspect, he is 39 years old and i lincoln! there is a generational i aspect, he is 39 years old and the first millennial ever to be on a presidential ticket at a major party. and at a time when america is looking like a german chumocracy here is a young dynamic guy with this extraordinary personal narrative. and the americans love a personal narrative, growing up in the appalachian mountains. he served in iraq and went to yale law school. an amazing resume. but i think a point worth making is vice presidential pics rarely make that much of an impact. but this election frankly, just a very small shift of votes in a small number of states could make the difference and that rust belt appeal could end up being important. i rust belt appeal could end up being im ortant. ~ 3 ., important. i think it's more about the future of _ important. i think it's more about the future of the _ important. i think it's more about the future of the right _ important. i think it's more about the future of the right in - important. i think it's more about the future of the right in america | the future of the right in america than _ the future of the right in america than the — the future of the right in america than the race. i think donald trump is dominating the race no matter who is dominating the race no matter who is running _ is dominating the race no matter who is running. he is dominating the race no matter who is runninu. , , , ., ., is running. he is the populist area to donald trump. but _ is running. he is the populist area to donald trump. but i _ is running. he is the populist area to donald trump. but i think- is running. he is the populist area to donald trump. but i think he . is running. he is the populist area to donald trump. but i think he is not even trying —

to donald trump. but i think he is not even trying to go _ to donald trump. but i think he is not even trying to go back - to donald trump. but i think he is not even trying to go back to - to donald trump. but i think he is not even trying to go back to that | not even trying to go back to that mike _ not even trying to go back to that mike pence establishment stuff. not to the _ mike pence establishment stuff. not to the republican party as we knew it, to the republican party as we knew it. now _ to the republican party as we knew it, now my— to the republican party as we knew it, now my idea is the new right. so the convention right now going on they will— the convention right now going on they will be asked to endorse that. what _ they will be asked to endorse that. what does — they will be asked to endorse that. what does polling tell us in the swing states? we what does polling tell us in the swing states?— what does polling tell us in the swin: states? . ., ~ ., swing states? we talked about the rust belt states _ swing states? we talked about the rust belt states and _ swing states? we talked about the rust belt states and there - swing states? we talked about the rust belt states and there is - swing states? we talked about the rust belt states and there is you i rust belt states and there is you got pole in the times newspaper looking at how these candidates are doing in seven of those swing states. how they did in march and how they're doing injuly. if we look at this what we can see is that donald trump is now ahead in all seven of those states. he has increased his lead in six out of seven of them. the one where he has not increased his lead, top of the list and he will not be bothered, seven points ahead in arizona in march and seven points ahead now. nowjoe biden won all of the states in 2020 apart from north carolina. the significance of north carolina is that is one of four of the sun

belt states come in all of the sun belt states come in all of the sun belt states, georgia trump is ahead for points, nevada, ahead by five points. north carolina trumped ahead by four points. and at the top arizona as we said ahead by seven points. now someone who used to work for bill clinton had a piece in the york times saying there is a tiny part of a victory forjoe biden through the rust belt states, three of those. but look at this polling, michigan, they were dead heat in march and trump is ahead by one. pennsylvania, that is forjoe biden was born and he was ahead by one in march and trump now ahead by three. wisconsin, joe biden ahead by one in march and now donald trump is ahead by five points. what is the significance of wisconsin, that is where donald trump is holding the republican national convention and

largest city in wisconsin in milwaukee. that state economically had been looking quite good forjoe biden. he was getting a good response there but now donald trump is ahead five points and there was some hope that maybejoe biden would do 0k in madison the capital of wisconsin but his problem there is lots of liberal voters and they will be tempted by the green candidate on the ballot in wisconsin. let's go live to the republican national convention in wisconson, where later this week donald trump will formally accept his party's presidential nomination and talk to a long—time firend and ally of mr trump — elizabeth pipko and spoke — she spoke with his family yesterday. how is donald trump dealing with the fact that he was almost killed on saturday? i fact that he was almost killed on saturda ? .. ., , �* saturday? i cannot even believe i'm answerin: saturday? i cannot even believe i'm answering this _ saturday? i cannot even believe i'm answering this question _ saturday? i cannot even believe i'm answering this question right - saturday? i cannot even believe i'm answering this question right now. | answering this question right now. he is dealing with the same way he

dealt with it seconds after it happened. he is standing strong in the face of what happened and standing strong for the american people and i say this not as a supporter but as an american who did not want to see what i saw on saturday. i am a proud american and daughter of immigrants and that should not happen at any political eventin should not happen at any political event in our country. i cannot believe i did see it with my own eyes. my father—in—law was also there so very emotional couple of minutes for me making sure both the president and my family were 0k minutes for me making sure both the president and my family were ok but i cannot believe that we had to witness that and i'm sure that the president feels the same. i think all realised it is time to unite this country and step forward into the future. when this just happened in front of our own eyes, it is time to move on to a very different life. in a very different light, you say, to think that this brush with death will change donald trump? i to think that this brush with death will change donald trump?- to think that this brush with death will change donald trump? i think a brush with death _ will change donald trump? i think a brush with death would _ will change donald trump? i think a brush with death would change - brush with death would change

anyone. of course i did not experience it myself, i do not know how he wrapped his mind around it and i know his family have not i've spent some time them and for a few minutes they did not know if he was alive. it was a difficult time for this country and for those who watched it live especially realising they will witnessing history in front of the eyes. so someone lost their life and a former president and current presidential candidate almost lost his and we all know this will change all of us in one way or another. i will change all of us in one way or another. ., ., ., ,~' , ., another. i want to ask you about senatorjd _ another. i want to ask you about senatorjd vance, _ another. i want to ask you about senatorjd vance, the _ another. i want to ask you about senatorjd vance, the pick - another. i want to ask you about senatorjd vance, the pick for i another. i want to ask you about i senatorjd vance, the pick for vice president. yesterday he tweeted biden and his campaign rhetoric led to the attempted assassination and the central premise of thejoe biden campaign is that donald trump is an authoritarian fascist. is that not a bit rich whenjd vance himself reportedly compared donald trump

with hitler back in 2016? i reportedly compared donald trump with hitler back in 2016?— reportedly compared donald trump with hitler back in 2016? i mean you will have to — with hitler back in 2016? i mean you will have to ask him _ with hitler back in 2016? i mean you will have to ask him where _ with hitler back in 2016? i mean you will have to ask him where he - with hitler back in 2016? i mean you will have to ask him where he is - will have to ask him where he is coming from exactly but i will say after what we saw on saturday any of us have different emotions and when you watch that i think he may take away from its sad feelings or happy feelings are angry feelings, no one really knows. are you happy about that he survived or sad that it happened at all so he speaks for himself. and that is how he reacted at the moment. there have been some really dangerous rhetoric in the past four years in our country and i spoke about that on this very network on bbc a couple of weeks ago. so we are all aware of that and aware of the statement thatjoe biden made about donald trump. no one is saying that as a direct cause for what happened on saturday but important to make people aware of what has been said and done and what happened on saturday which should never have happened and should never happen again. never have happened and should never happen again-— happen again. there are some republicans — happen again. there are some republicans accusing - happen again. there are some i republicans accusing democrats happen again. there are some -

republicans accusing democrats of demonising donald trump to such an extent that they do bear some responsibility for what happened on saturday. republican mike collins accused president biden of ordering the assassination, joe biden sent the assassination, joe biden sent the orders?— the assassination, joe biden sent the orders? ., ., ., ., the orders? you will have to ask him about that, — the orders? you will have to ask him about that, i — the orders? you will have to ask him about that, i am _ the orders? you will have to ask him about that, i am not _ the orders? you will have to ask him about that, i am not going _ the orders? you will have to ask him about that, i am not going to - the orders? you will have to ask him about that, i am not going to sit - about that, i am not going to sit here and say that with you but i will say some rhetoric about the president and his supporters has been horrible and comparing him to some of the worst people. i felt myself and my own family and any of his supporters spoken about in disgusting ways and we can all admit that we are to stage in our country where it is so fractured and divided that we all want a future. you can ask individuals for their own opinion but for me and our team it is about the future and moving forward and learning from what happened on saturday and making sure americans know that we should be united going forward and never see that again. bud united going forward and never see that aaain. �* , ., ., that again. and i understand that sentiment and _ that again. and i understand that sentiment and many _ that again. and i understand that sentiment and many people - that again. and i understand that sentiment and many people will. | that again. and i understand that - sentiment and many people will. but i'm duty bound to repeat to use some

of the abrasive things that donald trump is said in recent years. not that long ago, 2021 edifice rally in the us capitol he said we fight like hell and if you do not fight like hell and if you do not fight like hell you are not going to have a country any more. and showing a british audience now some of pictures from that day. after the george floyd protest he said when the looting starts the shooting starts. then the fifth ave code, i can stand in the middle of fifth ave and shoot someone i would not lose photos. i wonder how you think that language from donald trump has affected the political discourse in the us? it affected the political discourse in the us? , ., ., affected the political discourse in the us? , . ., , ., affected the political discourse in the us? ., , ., the us? it is a fair question, i can sit here and _ the us? it is a fair question, i can sit here and go — the us? it is a fair question, i can sit here and go back _ the us? it is a fair question, i can sit here and go back to _ the us? it is a fair question, i can sit here and go back to every - the us? it is a fair question, i can i sit here and go back to every single incident, the ones you mentioned, i do not know if him saying he would shoot someone on fifth ave is a joke is the same as comparing donald trump to hitler or saying that is a threat to our nation. i do not know

he also said onjanuary six he also said we peaceably protest. i do not think that that helps our country by the family mourning the loss of their father from saturday or any of us. so hopefully everyone will learn from what happened on saturday and that means both sides and hopefully realise the american public and people in the future of the country matters more than politics. something i hope everyone can now agree on. mrtrump mr trump apparently is more popular with women thanjoe biden voters and jd vans said it would be better off for people to stay in unhappy managers even if there were violent and he is anti—abortion. how will that go down with some women voters? you will have to askjd vans about those comments himself. in today's

america everyone is suffering. i think i would have to hear the comments again and have a conversation withjd comments again and have a conversation with jd vance comments again and have a conversation withjd vance but everyone is suffering and today's america compared to how they are feeling under don trump including women. donald trump is also leading right before my segment in polling with almost every other group in americans, he is eating in states like virginia and nevada and minnesota and they are in play because the american people are unhappy with the current leadership and that includes women, i think bothjd vance and donald trump know the challenges ahead of them and also that the future plans i have for this country will help everybody, men, women, gay, straight, black and white and a bonus. i am excited to hear their plans as i'm sure everyone is because i believe they will benefit, by a donald trump rotation and he will prove that in the next four months in campaigning and prove in the next four great years in office. thank you. let me as gaudy briefly,

if donald trump does this unifying speech, this address on thursday, why are you looking like that, shami chakrabarti? it why are you looking like that, shami chakrabarti?— chakrabarti? it was fascinating. she ave him chakrabarti? it was fascinating. she gave him the _ chakrabarti? it was fascinating. she gave him the script. _ chakrabarti? it was fascinating. she gave him the script. i— chakrabarti? it was fascinating. she gave him the script. i think - chakrabarti? it was fascinating. she gave him the script. i think she - chakrabarti? it was fascinating. she gave him the script. i think she was| gave him the script. i think she was cancelling donald trump in that interview on how to do it. if your --eole interview on how to do it. if your people sentiments _ interview on how to do it. if your people sentiments on _ interview on how to do it. if your people sentiments on thursday. interview on how to do it. if your - people sentiments on thursday what does that mean getting to the white house again?— does that mean getting to the white house again? what a great advocate she was for this _ house again? what a great advocate she was for this good _ house again? what a great advocate she was for this good cop _ house again? what a great advocate she was for this good cop approach. | she was for this good cop approach. and not defending the stuff said by trump in the past, byjd vance in the past. they should have her as the past. they should have her as the vp candidate.— the past. they should have her as the vp candidate. what do you think in terms of unifying, _ the vp candidate. what do you think in terms of unifying, can _ the vp candidate. what do you think in terms of unifying, can he? - the vp candidate. what do you think in terms of unifying, can he? it - the vp candidate. what do you think in terms of unifying, can he? it was| in terms of unifying, can he? it was the opportunity _ in terms of unifying, can he? it was the opportunity but _ in terms of unifying, can he? it was the opportunity but also _ in terms of unifying, can he? it was the opportunity but also in - in terms of unifying, can he? it was the opportunity but also in his - the opportunity but also in his inauguration speech it was a great chance _ inauguration speech it was a great chance to — inauguration speech it was a great chance to unify as well. instead we -ot chance to unify as well. instead we got the _ chance to unify as well. instead we got the now notorious american carnage — got the now notorious american carnage narrative, the instincts are to say— carnage narrative, the instincts are to say they— carnage narrative, the instincts are to say they are out to get you but i am just— to say they are out to get you but i am just in— to say they are out to get you but i am just in the way. does he have it within— am just in the way. does he have it within them — am just in the way. does he have it within them but during the debate we

saw him _ within them but during the debate we saw him withjoe biden, we saw him segue _ saw him withjoe biden, we saw him segue into _ saw him withjoe biden, we saw him segue into a — saw him withjoe biden, we saw him segue into a softer and milder less competent— segue into a softer and milder less competent demeanour. perhaps he can do it because i think right now even the people — do it because i think right now even the people who wouldn't normally vote for— the people who wouldn't normally vote for him and admiration of how he behaved — vote for him and admiration of how he behaved after he was assaulted in that way _ he behaved after he was assaulted in that way. also i think there is such exasperation withjoe that way. also i think there is such exasperation with joe biden as a candidate — exasperation with joe biden as a candidate and he is clearly not fit for the _ candidate and he is clearly not fit for the job— candidate and he is clearly not fit for the job and even democrat supporters acknowledge that. a lesson from history is potentially unifying — lesson from history is potentially unifying moments _ lesson from history is potentially unifying moments end _ lesson from history is potentially unifying moments end up- lesson from history is potentially i unifying moments end up becoming even more — unifying moments end up becoming even more polarising. _ unifying moments end up becoming even more polarising. covid - unifying moments end up becoming even more polarising. covid was - unifying moments end up becoming| even more polarising. covid was the classic— even more polarising. covid was the classic example _ even more polarising. covid was the classic example of _ even more polarising. covid was the classic example of this. _ even more polarising. covid was the classic example of this. tens - even more polarising. covid was the classic example of this. tens of- classic example of this. tens of thousands— classic example of this. tens of thousands of— classic example of this. tens of thousands of americans - classic example of this. tens of thousands of americans lost i classic example of this. tens of. thousands of americans lost their lives, _ thousands of americans lost their lives, you — thousands of americans lost their lives, you think— thousands of americans lost their lives, you think this _ thousands of americans lost their lives, you think this is— thousands of americans lost their lives, you think this is the - thousands of americans lost their. lives, you think this is the moment where _ lives, you think this is the moment where the — lives, you think this is the moment where the country _ lives, you think this is the moment where the country could _ lives, you think this is the moment where the country could come - where the country could come together, _ where the country could come together, it— where the country could come together, it ended _ where the country could come together, it ended up- where the country could come i together, it ended up rendering where the country could come - together, it ended up rendering the country— together, it ended up rendering the country in _ together, it ended up rendering the country in even _ together, it ended up rendering the country in even deeper— together, it ended up rendering the country in even deeper shades - together, it ended up rendering the country in even deeper shades of. together, it ended up rendering the. country in even deeper shades of red and blue _ country in even deeper shades of red and blue this— country in even deeper shades of red and blue. this country— country in even deeper shades of red and blue. this country is— and blue. this country is impossible to unify _ and blue. this country is impossible to unify no— and blue. this country is impossible to unify. no president _ and blue. this country is impossible to unify. no president could - and blue. this country is impossible to unify. no president could unify. i to unify. no president could unify. division _ to unify. no president could unify. division is — to unify. no president could unify. division is america's _ to unify. no president could unify. division is america's default. - to unify. no president could unify. | division is america's default. biden is not _ division is america's default. biden is not going — division is america's default. biden is not going to _ division is america's default. biden is not going to unify— division is america's default. biden is not going to unify the _ division is america's default. biden is not going to unify the country. i is not going to unify the country. trump _ is not going to unify the country. trump certainly _ is not going to unify the country. trump certainly isn't. _ is not going to unify the country. trump certainly isn't. i— is not going to unify the country. trump certainly isn't. i don't- is not going to unify the country.

trump certainly isn't. i don't think anybody— trump certainly isn't. i don't think anybody is — trump certainly isn't. i don't think anybody is capable _ trump certainly isn't. i don't think anybody is capable right _ trump certainly isn't. i don't think anybody is capable right now- trump certainly isn't. i don't think anybody is capable right now of. anybody is capable right now of uniting — anybody is capable right now of uniting this _ anybody is capable right now of uniting this deeply _ anybody is capable right now of uniting this deeply disunited i uniting this deeply disunited states _ uniting this deeply disunited states. ., , uniting this deeply disunited states. . , ., , ,, states. that is quite a depressing thou:ht states. that is quite a depressing thought but _ states. that is quite a depressing thought but there _ states. that is quite a depressing thought but there are _ states. that is quite a depressing thought but there are people - states. that is quite a depressing i thought but there are people trying. according to politico last week, joe biden said on a private phone call with donors, i am the only person who can beat president trump, the best person to do that, so we are done talking about the debate, time to put trump in a bull's—eye. that has been coated this week obviously after saturday afternoon, after the events on saturday. joe biden has done an interview with nbc tonight, let's have a listen to a bit of it. i guess i was talking about at the — a bit of it. i guess i was talking about at the time, _ a bit of it. i guess i was talking about at the time, it _ a bit of it. i guess i was talking about at the time, it was - a bit of it. i guess i was talking about at the time, it was very. a bit of it. i guess i was talking i about at the time, it was very low focus on trumpet�*s agenda. the about at the time, it was very low focus on trumpet's agenda. the term was bull's-eye- _ focus on trumpet's agenda. the term was bull's-eye- i— focus on trumpet's agenda. the term was bull's-eye. i didn't _ focus on trumpet's agenda. the term was bull's-eye. i didn't say _ focus on trumpet's agenda. the term was bull's-eye. i didn't say cross - was bull's-eye. i didn't say cross hairs, i meant _ was bull's-eye. i didn't say cross hairs, i meant focus _ was bull's-eye. i didn't say cross hairs, i meant focus on - was bull's-eye. i didn't say cross hairs, i meant focus on him, - was bull's-eye. i didn't say cross i hairs, i meant focus on him, focus on what he is doing.— on what he is doing. there is another example _ on what he is doing. there is another example of - on what he is doing. there is another example of people i on what he is doing. there is - another example of people rowing back on what was said. i

another example of people rowing back on what was said.— another example of people rowing back on what was said. i have some s math back on what was said. i have some sympathy because _ back on what was said. i have some sympathy because we _ back on what was said. i have some sympathy because we know- back on what was said. i have some sympathy because we know politics| back on what was said. i have some i sympathy because we know politics is full of fighting talk, even a fight, fight, fight from donald trump in the moments after the terrible assassination attempts. we talked about targeting our criticism, we talk about struggle and fight. there are metaphors that get thrown around but he was right to row back from it. maybe this is an opportunity for president biden as well as for president biden as well as for president trump, who will be most presidential in these next moments i think will be quite an important question. it think will be quite an important cuestion. .., , , question. it completely undermined his entire strategy _ question. it completely undermined his entire strategy which _ question. it completely undermined his entire strategy which is - question. it completely undermined his entire strategy which is to - question. it completely undermined his entire strategy which is to turn i his entire strategy which is to turn this election into a referendum on the unsuitability of the man he regards — the unsuitability of the man he regards as the insurrection list and then he _ regards as the insurrection list and then he uses a sort of language. 30 then he uses a sort of language. s: hard to then he uses a sort of language. so hard to prosecute the case now that donald _ hard to prosecute the case now that donald trump — hard to prosecute the case now that donald trump poses _ hard to prosecute the case now that donald trump poses a _ hard to prosecute the case now that donald trump poses a threat - hard to prosecute the case now that donald trump poses a threat to - hard to prosecute the case now that donald trump poses a threat to usi donald trump poses a threat to us democracy— donald trump poses a threat to us democracy when _ donald trump poses a threat to us democracy when donald _ donald trump poses a threat to us democracy when donald trump - donald trump poses a threat to us - democracy when donald trump himself has been _ democracy when donald trump himself has been a _ democracy when donald trump himself has been a victim _ democracy when donald trump himself has been a victim of— democracy when donald trump himself has been a victim of an _ democracy when donald trump himself has been a victim of an attack - democracy when donald trump himself has been a victim of an attack on - democracy when donald trump himself has been a victim of an attack on us i has been a victim of an attack on us democracy — has been a victim of an attack on us democracy it— has been a victim of an attack on us democracy it is— has been a victim of an attack on us democracy. it is a _ has been a victim of an attack on us democracy. it is a tricky— has been a victim of an attack on us democracy. it is a tricky one - has been a victim of an attack on us democracy. it is a tricky one it - has been a victim of an attack on us democracy. it is a tricky one it now. democracy. it is a tricky one it now for the _ democracy. it is a tricky one it now for the democrats. _ democracy. it is a tricky one it now for the democrats. they— democracy. it is a tricky one it now for the democrats. they will- democracy. it is a tricky one it now for the democrats. they will have. democracy. it is a tricky one it now. for the democrats. they will have to really _ for the democrats. they will have to really commit — for the democrats. they will have to really commit the _ for the democrats. they will have to really commit the whole _ for the democrats. they will have to really commit the whole election - really commit the whole election

strategy — really commit the whole election strategy was _ really commit the whole election strategy was based _ really commit the whole election strategy was based on _ really commit the whole election i strategy was based on demonising donald _ strategy was based on demonising donald trump _ strategy was based on demonising donald trump. biden's _ strategy was based on demonising donald trump. biden's winning - donald trump. biden's winning coalition— donald trump. biden's winning coalition in— donald trump. biden's winning coalition in 2020 _ donald trump. biden's winning coalition in 2020 was - donald trump. biden's winning coalition in 2020 was an - donald trump. biden's winning . coalition in 2020 was an anti—drug coalition, — coalition in 2020 was an anti—drug coalition, not— coalition in 2020 was an anti—drug coalition, not a _ coalition in 2020 was an anti—drug coalition, not a pro _ coalition in 2020 was an anti—drug coalition, not a pro biden - coalition, not a pro biden coalition _ coalition, not a pro biden coalition. assembling - coalition, not a pro bidenl coalition. assembling that anti-trump— coalition. assembling that anti—trump coalition - coalition. assembling thatj anti—trump coalition again coalition. assembling that - anti—trump coalition again has become — anti—trump coalition again has become a _ anti—trump coalition again has become a lot— anti—trump coalition again has become a lot harder— anti—trump coalition again has become a lot harder in - anti—trump coalition again has become a lot harder in the - anti—trump coalition again has - become a lot harder in the aftermath of what _ become a lot harder in the aftermath of what happened _ become a lot harder in the aftermath of what happened in _ become a lot harder in the aftermath of what happened in pennsylvania. i of what happened in pennsylvania. next, _ of what happened in pennsylvania. next, thank— of what happened in pennsylvania. next, thank you _ of what happened in pennsylvania. next, thank you very _ of what happened in pennsylvania. next, thank you very much. - of what happened in pennsylvania. next, thank you very much. you i of what happened in pennsylvania. i next, thank you very much. you have picked up the aussie accent. ads, picked up the aussie accent. terrible thing to say to a proud englishman still in anguish over last night. last month i spoke to labour... sir keir starmer is under pressure to scrap the two—child benefit cap on welfare benefits after the snp announced plans to table an amendment on the issue in wednesday's king's speech. last month, during the election campaign i spoke to labour's then shadow chief secretary to the treasury, darrenjones, who has thatjob in government,

about the lifting of the two child benefit cap not being in the labour kimjohnson kim johnson labour mp for liverpool riverside has said she is planning to table an amendment as you say to the kings speech if the government doesn't give ground. she is talking about if you did lift this to cap limited would immediately lift 250,000 children out of poverty. she describes the policy is cruel and punitive and it is now pushing families into poverty. talking about tabling amendments to a kings speech is a pretty hostile act because what you are potentially suggesting is if you don't get you where you would vote against the kings speech. voting against the kings speech. voting against the kings speech, there are three big boats that are regarded as confidence builds. eight king's speech, budget and a no—confidence vote. if you vote against any of those endure on their side it is bye—bye to your career in the party so it is is quite a big thing to talk about doing. john mcdonald who is the fatherfigure talk about doing. john mcdonald who is the father figure of the campaign group, let has been saying don't think of this as a rebellion, keir starmer has a massive majority. this is using a parliamentary mechanism

to persuade the government to do what it says it wants to do because of keir starmer says he is open to these arguments and john mcdonnell says gordon brown vesuvius, the archbishop country was, persuading you to head into that direction. the view from downing street as they fought an election campaign with ironclad fiscal discipline at front and centre of that. no plans to lift this cap at the moment. all the word is they will be no change in that language, no hints about it. but eventually in the course of this government if they get economic growth, it will be something they would like to do.— growth, it will be something they would like to do. should the labour government — would like to do. should the labour government lift _ would like to do. should the labour government lift this, _ would like to do. should the labour government lift this, scrap - would like to do. should the labour government lift this, scrap this - would like to do. should the labour government lift this, scrap this cap | government lift this, scrap this cap now? ,, ., ., ., ., government lift this, scrap this cap now? ., ., ., ., ., now? sooner rather than later. i am not the chancellor _ now? sooner rather than later. i am not the chancellor and _ now? sooner rather than later. i am not the chancellor and i _ now? sooner rather than later. i am not the chancellor and i get - now? sooner rather than later. i am not the chancellor and i get all - not the chancellor and i get all these — not the chancellor and i get all these arguments about inheriting the mess from _ these arguments about inheriting the mess from the tories, but this is such— mess from the tories, but this is such an — mess from the tories, but this is such an immoral policy. to punish

children— such an immoral policy. to punish children for— such an immoral policy. to punish children for being born, to punish children— children for being born, to punish children for— children for being born, to punish children for the circumstances of making — children for the circumstances of making the mistakes or the choices of their— making the mistakes or the choices of their parents and what it is doing — of their parents and what it is doing to _ of their parents and what it is doing to the poorest children in our country— doing to the poorest children in our country including in kim johnson's constituency pulled up i spoke to her today— constituency pulled up i spoke to her today and she said look, i am doing _ her today and she said look, i am doing my— her today and she said look, i am doing myjob for the people of liverpool— doing myjob for the people of liverpool riverside, one of the poorest — liverpool riverside, one of the poorest places in the country, raising — poorest places in the country, raising the debate, using this vehicle — raising the debate, using this vehicle to raise a debate, not to sow division. given that even cabinet — sow division. given that even cabinet ministers like wes streeting have talked about how uncomfortable they are _ have talked about how uncomfortable they are with the two child benefit cap this _ they are with the two child benefit cap this could be a campaigning nudge _ cap this could be a campaigning nudge rather than the hostile act that the — nudge rather than the hostile act that the drama critic here hasjust described — that the drama critic here has 'ust described. ., , that the drama critic here has 'ust described. . , ,., ., , described. fraser nelson, it was introduced _ described. fraser nelson, it was introduced in _ described. fraser nelson, it was introduced in 2017, _ described. fraser nelson, it was introduced in 2017, what - described. fraser nelson, it was introduced in 2017, what was - introduced in 2017, what was irrational under the conservative government?— irrational under the conservative covernment? ., ., ., ,, government? part of it was fairness that people — government? part of it was fairness that people didn't _ government? part of it was fairness that people didn't want _ government? part of it was fairness that people didn't want to _ government? part of it was fairness that people didn't want to think- government? part of it was fairness that people didn't want to think you j that people didn't want to think you are working fairly and raising kids you don't want to think that an equivalent family on benefits is literal. also concern at the time that people were having larger and largerfamilies and this

that people were having larger and larger families and this was leading to child poverty because if you have a situations with mass welfare dependency and people going up on welfare dependency, this doesn't help people at all. that it's not me rationalising, that is what happened at the time, but it has become now i think a metaphorfor keir starmer whether he can be influenced by his party or not. he has always been saying back up in scotland that the labour party in scotland wants to get rid of this, a big issue of contention which is why the snp are putting it down. they want to make mischief labour up in scotland, so thatis mischief labour up in scotland, so that is why they are doing it. starmer will sing to himself it is a good move here but if i do it now i will be seen to be bending thejohn mcdonnell, time seem to pressure i can expect a lot more pressure. this is why it is counter—productive for them to do this. if they have not pressurised him he might have operated but now they are actually putting him into a bind here and saying, we are going to see, if you

are going to govern physically, so now i think he is in a difficult position because if he does concede on this they will be waiting for him to concede on a lot more things. but then ou to concede on a lot more things. but then you have the resolution foundation who pointed this out during the election campaign and by the end of this decade on current trends more than 50% of larger families, three or more kids, will be in relative poverty. government figures, 4.3 million children or 30% of all children in the uk are in poverty and lifting this cap, scrapping this cap would take 11% of kids out of poverty overnight. that is if ou kids out of poverty overnight. that is if you take _ kids out of poverty overnight. that is if you take there rather as our way of— is if you take there rather as our way of regulating _ is if you take there rather as our way of regulating it. _ is if you take there rather as our way of regulating it. the - is if you take there rather as our way of regulating it. the way - is if you take there rather as our way of regulating it. the way ofl way of regulating it. the way of getting — way of regulating it. the way of getting people _ way of regulating it. the way of getting people at _ way of regulating it. the way of getting people at the _ way of regulating it. the way of getting people at the party - way of regulating it. the way of getting people at the party is i way of regulating it. the way of i getting people at the party is root try to _ getting people at the party is root try to resolve _ getting people at the party is root try to resolve other— getting people at the party is root try to resolve other cases - getting people at the party is root try to resolve other cases in- try to resolve other cases in britain _ try to resolve other cases in britain we _ try to resolve other cases in britain. we have _ try to resolve other cases in britain. we have 20% - try to resolve other cases in britain. we have 20% of- try to resolve other cases inj britain. we have 20% of our try to resolve other cases in- britain. we have 20% of our great cities, _ britain. we have 20% of our great cities, manchester, _ britain. we have 20% of our great cities, manchester, glasgow, - britain. we have 20% of our great cities, manchester, glasgow, 25% britain. we have 20% of our great i cities, manchester, glasgow, 25% of blackpool— cities, manchester, glasgow, 25% of blackpool and — cities, manchester, glasgow, 25% of blackpool and out _ cities, manchester, glasgow, 25% of blackpool and out of _ cities, manchester, glasgow, 25% of blackpool and out of work _ cities, manchester, glasgow, 25% of blackpool and out of work benefits. i blackpool and out of work benefits. the families — blackpool and out of work benefits. the families they _ blackpool and out of work benefits. the families they are _ blackpool and out of work benefits. the families they are in _ blackpool and out of work benefits. the families they are in and - blackpool and out of work benefits. the families they are in and it - the families they are in and it terrible — the families they are in and it terrible position— the families they are in and it terrible position and - the families they are in and it terrible position and that - the families they are in and it terrible position and that they the families they are in and it - terrible position and that they were participating — terrible position and that they were participating in— terrible position and that they were participating in the _ terrible position and that they were participating in the economy - terrible position and that they were |

participating in the economy labour needs— participating in the economy labour needs to _ participating in the economy labour needs to get — participating in the economy labour needs to get people _ participating in the economy labour needs to get people back _ participating in the economy labour needs to get people back to - participating in the economy labour needs to get people back to work. participating in the economy labouri needs to get people back to work and work is _ needs to get people back to work and work is the _ needs to get people back to work and work is the best _ needs to get people back to work and work is the best way— needs to get people back to work and work is the best way out _ needs to get people back to work and work is the best way out of— work is the best way out of poverty. simply _ work is the best way out of poverty. simply changing _ work is the best way out of poverty. simply changing the _ work is the best way out of poverty. simply changing the benefit - work is the best way out of poverty. simply changing the benefit system j simply changing the benefit system is completely— simply changing the benefit system is completely the _ simply changing the benefit system is completely the wrong _ simply changing the benefit system is completely the wrong way- simply changing the benefit system is completely the wrong way of- is completely the wrong way of thinking — is completely the wrong way of thinking about— is completely the wrong way of thinking about it. _ is completely the wrong way of thinking about it. to _ is completely the wrong way of thinking about it.— is completely the wrong way of thinking about it. to go back to how labour people feel _ thinking about it. to go back to how labour people feel about _ thinking about it. to go back to how labour people feel about this, - labour people feel about this, labour people feel about this, labour people feel about this, labour people do not like the two child benefit cap. i think it is a matter of when, it it is a struggle for when this goes, not if it goes. most labour people except those resolution foundation arguments that depict _ resolution foundation arguments that depict children into poverty very quickly— depict children into poverty very quickly and it would take them out of it very— quickly and it would take them out of it very quickly. tomorrow's front pages — let's have a look. we are starting on the telegraph. trump's pick for vp is a hillbilly senator as we have been discussing that the times, trump races ahead in key states after the shooting. the mirror, jade body found after a full. the fact that the body has been found, j slater in tenerife.

starmer and trump start building a new special relationship.