from the show�*s participants. now on bbc news — it's time for the latest episode of newcast. well, let's discuss it now, because we're joined well, let's discuss it now, because we'rejoined by well, let's discuss it now, because we're joined by football correspondentjohn murray. we're joined by football correspondent john murray. hello, adam. i correspondent john murray. hello, adam- i always — correspondent john murray. hello, adam. i always know— correspondent john murray. hello, adam. i always know it's _ correspondent john murray. hello, adam. i always know it's a - correspondent john murray. hello, adam. i always know it's a big - adam. i always know it's a big football story when i get the call from you. football story when i get the call from ou. ~ ., ., from you. well, we would do medium-sized _ from you. well, we would do medium-sized football - from you. well, we would do | medium-sized football stories from you. well, we would do i medium-sized football stories if from you. well, we would do - medium-sized football stories if we medium—sized football stories if we had room. i know you're about to head off to a different sport. trier? head off to a different sport. very much after _ head off to a different sport. very much after four _ head off to a different sport. very much after four or _ head off to a different sport. very much after four or five _ head off to a different sport. - much after four or five weeks in germany. heading off to the open

golf championship to commentate on that. very much looking forward. �*iz that. very much looking forward. 12 more minutes of football that's ok! laughter we're alsojoined by laughter we're also joined by chief correspondent and football fan henry's f men. i correspondent and football fan henry's f men-— correspondent and football fan henry's f men. correspondent and football fan hen 'sfmen. ~ ., ., henry's f men. i don't know what it sa s henry's f men. i don't know what it says about — henry's f men. i don't know what it says about this _ henry's f men. i don't know what it says about this story _ henry's f men. i don't know what it says about this story that _ henry's f men. i don't know what it says about this story that you've . says about this story that you've called _ says about this story that you've called upon me, but i'm very happy to share _ called upon me, but i'm very happy to share in — called upon me, but i'm very happy to share in the collective mourning. let's _ to share in the collective mourning. let's combine the screens. you're reporting on the retirement —— garrett the southgate. i -- garrett the southgate. i think ou -- garrett the southgate. i think you would _ -- garrett the southgate. i think you would say — -- garrett the southgate. i think you would say no-one _ -- garrett the southgate. i think you would say no-one has - -- garrett the southgate. i think you would say no-one has had i -- garrett the southgate. i think - you would say no-one has had greater you would say no—one has had greater influence _ you would say no—one has had greater influence in— you would say no—one has had greater influence in recent years than him. he transformed how we think about football _ he transformed how we think about football. would say how transport how westminster works or how the political _ how westminster works or how the political arena looks. all politicians do have a shelf life. it felt with —

politicians do have a shelf life. it felt with southgate it was going that way. it was said by prime ministers _ that way. it was said by prime ministers they don't get to go out on their— ministers they don't get to go out on their own terms. i think southgate has managed to go out almost _ southgate has managed to go out almost on his own terms even if not successfully — almost on his own terms even if not successfully as he would like. i successfully as he would like. would say successfully as he would like. i would say that is pretty good, john. as henry said, we will be collectively mourning, but the strange thing with gareth southgate the way he has ended up polarising opinions, in the words of neil kendrick, it will be a case of rejoice for many. they felt gareth southgate would never be the man to get england over the line. even though he has been at the helm of taking on today's heights for decades and decades, without actually getting over the line, though supporters feel it would

never happen. i think there was an inevitability we would get to this point. they haven't let the grass grow under their feet. point. they haven't let the grass grow under theirfeet. i point. they haven't let the grass grow under their feet. i think we would have reached this point this week. ~ ., , ., would have reached this point this week. ~ ., i. would have reached this point this week. ~ ., , week. would you say he was history miaht week. would you say he was history might judge — week. would you say he was history mightjudge him _ week. would you say he was history mightjudge him as _ week. would you say he was history mightjudge him as a _ week. would you say he was history mightjudge him as a transitional. mightjudge him as a transitional figure? mightjudge him as a transitional fiuure? , _ mightjudge him as a transitional fiure? ,, ., figure? possibly. it might treat him as a transitional _ figure? possibly. it might treat him as a transitional figure, _ figure? possibly. it might treat him as a transitional figure, but - figure? possibly. it might treat him as a transitional figure, but i - as a transitional figure, but i think history might actually be very, very kind to gareth southgate. i think back to my england watching time. people have such a fond memory of bobby robson, who took england to the semifinal with gaza and all of that, and the missed penalty and so close then. gareth southgate's achievement outstripped bobby robson's by a distant. just remind us what kind _ robson's by a distant. just remind us what kind of _ robson's by a distant. just remind us what kind of squad _ robson's by a distant. just remind us what kind of squad he - robson's by a distant. just remind| us what kind of squad he inherited. still a very talented forefront at

wayne rooney, and very young harry kane just coming through. there was turmoil back in 2016. england have been knocked out of the euros by iceland, which was seen as one of the most embarrassing defeats that the most embarrassing defeats that the national team have ever experienced. then there was the very short ring of sam allardyce, only in charge of the seven days. gareth southgate was drafted in as the coach for under 21. when he got it, he was very much part of the football association. he proved to be the man who changed the culture and change to the thinking in the whole mood. henry, as a fan, what are some

moments that stood out to you? i don't even remember euro '96, which was probably the last time they were on the _ was probably the last time they were on the cusp— was probably the last time they were on the cusp of getting to a final, which _ on the cusp of getting to a final, which was — on the cusp of getting to a final, which was the first time since alf ramsey — which was the first time since alf ramsey i— which was the first time since alf ramsey. i think you've got to... if you're _ ramsey. i think you've got to... if you're younger than late 305 as an england _ you're younger than late 305 as an england fan, gareth southgate will be responsible for every memory as an england — be responsible for every memory as an england fan. there were moments particularly _ an england fan. there were moments particularly in 2004 when england looked _ particularly in 2004 when england looked good, but they never got behind _ looked good, but they never got behind a — looked good, but they never got behind a final. gareth southgate completely transformed that. the memories, i had the great fortune to be at _ memories, i had the great fortune to be at the _ memories, i had the great fortune to be at the england germany match in euro 2020 — be at the england germany match in euro 2020. this played in 2021 at the denmark and italy final, all at

wembley— the denmark and italy final, all at wembley and amazing. that final that we lost _ wembley and amazing. that final that we lost wa5 wembley and amazing. that final that we lost was the great mi55ed we lost was the great missed opportunity becau5e we lost was the great missed opportunity because we were a better team than— opportunity because we were a better team than that italy team and the way that— team than that italy team and the way that probably wa5n't true of the spain _ way that probably wa5n't true of the spain team. not to sound too much like a _ spain team. not to sound too much like a rubbi5h, state of the nation novelist — like a rubbi5h, state of the nation noveli5t. that summer of like a rubbish, state of the nation novelist. that summer of 2021 when the world _ novelist. that summer of 2021 when the world wasjust emerging novelist. that summer of 2021 when the world was just emerging from covid, _ the world was just emerging from covid, some of those stadiums were half-full _ covid, some of those stadiums were half-full it — covid, some of those stadiums were half—full. it did feel like this massive, — half—full. it did feel like this massive, collective, national relief of pent-up— massive, collective, national relief of pent—upjoy. i think gareth southgate was responsible because no other manager in my lifetime has got england _ other manager in my lifetime has got england playing that well. john, there's quite — england playing that well. john, there's quite a _ england playing that well. john, there's quite a tense _ england playing that well. john, there's quite a tense moment i england playing that well. jirrri�*i, there's quite a tense moment after final in 2021. there was quite a lot of racism, hard—core racism.

final in 2021. there was quite a lot of racism, hard-core racism. that's riaht, of racism, hard-core racism. that's right. jaden — of racism, hard-core racism. that's right, jaden sancho, _ of racism, hard-core racism. that's right, jaden sancho, bukayo - of racism, hard-core racism. that's right, jaden sancho, bukayo saka, | right, jaden sancho, bukayo saka, whose penalty was saved to win, and in the aftermath of that, i think it was a zoom call. gareth southgate had to deal with the immediate aftermath of the defeat when england was so close to winning the trophy. also everything that he had poured out on social media, i think that was a particularly low ebb for gareth southgate. he certainly thought about future of the world cup in qatar, and then made a borderline decision to carry on to the euros. i think reference to that makes me, some of the issues that he's had to deal with, graham tele used to say it was the impossible job. i think he also meant as everything that encompasses england manager, i sat there as a

professional broadcaster. all walks of life, cultural issues, diversity, you name it. the way that he's dealt with it, i sat there and thought i'm not sure how he's come up with the answers. he's been able to tread a very, very careful... he's as much a politician and a diplomat as he had to be england manager to deal with some things off the field. but ultimately, he will be judged some things off the field. but ultimately, he will bejudged by some things off the field. but ultimately, he will be judged by how his england team perform. find ultimately, he will be judged by how his england team perform.— ultimately, he will be judged by how his england team perform. and we can have a little listen _ his england team perform. and we can have a little listen to _ his england team perform. and we can have a little listen to how— his england team perform. and we can have a little listen to how he dealt - have a little listen to how he dealt with that racism episode in 2021. for someone to be abused i5 unforgivable, _ for someone to be abused i5 unforgivable, really. - for someone to be abused i5 unforgivable, really. i- for someone to be abused i5 unforgivable, really. i know. for someone to be abused i5| unforgivable, really. i know a lot of that— unforgivable, really. i know a lot of that has— unforgivable, really. i know a lot of that has come _ unforgivable, really. i know a lot of that has come from _ unforgivable, really. i know a lot of that has come from abroad. . unforgivable, really. i know a lot - of that has come from abroad. people that track— of that has come from abroad. people that track those _ of that has come from abroad. people that track those things _ of that has come from abroad. people that track those things have _ of that has come from abroad. people that track those things have been - that track those things have been able to— that track those things have been able to explain, _ that track those things have been able to explain, but— that track those things have been able to explain, but not - that track those things have been able to explain, but not all- that track those things have been able to explain, but not all of- that track those things have been able to explain, but not all of it. i able to explain, but not all of it. it's able to explain, but not all of it. it's not — able to explain, but not all of it. it's not what _ able to explain, but not all of it. it's not what we _ able to explain, but not all of it. it's not what we stand for. - able to explain, but not all of it. it's not what we stand for. i - able to explain, but not all of it. | it's not what we stand for. i think we have — it'5 not what we stand for. i think we have been— it's not what we stand for. i think we have been a _ it'5 not what we stand for. i think we have been a beacon— it'5 not what we stand for. i think we have been a beacon of- it's not what we stand for. i think we have been a beacon of light . it's not what we stand for. i thinkj we have been a beacon of light in bringing — we have been a beacon of light in bringing people _ we have been a beacon of light in bringing people together- we have been a beacon of light in bringing people together in - we have been a beacon of light in .

bringing people together in relating to the _ bringing people together in relating to the national— bringing people together in relating to the national team, _ bringing people together in relating to the national team, and - bringing people together in relating to the national team, and the - to the national team, and the national— to the national team, and the national team _ to the national team, and the national team stands- to the national team, and the national team stands for- to the national team, and the - national team stands for everybody. so, national team stands for everybody. so. that _ national team stands for everybody. so, that togetherness _ national team stands for everybody. so, that togetherness has _ national team stands for everybody. so, that togetherness has to - so, that togetherness has to continue. _ so, that togetherness has to continue, and _ so, that togetherness has to continue, and we've - so, that togetherness has to continue, and we've shown i so, that togetherness has to . continue, and we've shown the so, that togetherness has to - continue, and we've shown the power our country— continue, and we've shown the power our country has — continue, and we've shown the power our country has when _ continue, and we've shown the power our country has when it _ continue, and we've shown the power our country has when it does - continue, and we've shown the power our country has when it does come i our country has when it does come together — our country has when it does come together. . john, a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. i saw the play at the national theatre dear england, written by... that taught me that it seems to be the biggest thing do my thing was allowing the squad to be themselves, to open up and talk about their feelings —— the biggest thing to me. old days, they might be a bit lonely in the penalty spot. i saw that play an ind featured in it! if i may blow my own trumpet —— i

indeed. i very much enjoyed it and i thought it was very well written. it was fantastic stage play. i did feel that it portrayed gareth southgate as a little bit of a liberal softy, which i'm not sure is the case. he does have a hard edge, even you very rarely see this. in terms of being all things to all men as the england football manager, and he's dealing with some very, very sensitive legals. they're all multimillionaires. they're all chief ceos of their companies. to be able to deal with that over the course of eight years, four big tournaments in the main tournament, and there had been issues. been white, who didn't play at the world cup in qatar, who didn't play at the euros. there was

certainly upset they are and he made himself available, which is why he wasn't in the euros. i think he prided himself in the way he dealt with players and for an individual like ben white to make that decision would would really hurt him. i think whatever would've happened, that would've been gareth southgate. shit would've been gareth southgate. at that its of the whole cultural thing around gareth southgate, you didn't have to know anything about football to be aware of. he became the face of waistcoats for example. he to be aware of. he became the face of waistcoats for example.- of waistcoats for example. he went to casual of— of waistcoats for example. he went to casual of the _ of waistcoats for example. he went to casual of the course _ of waistcoats for example. he went to casual of the course of— of waistcoats for example. he went to casual of the course of the - of waistcoats for example. he went to casual of the course of the year. | to casual of the course of the year. henry, how did it feel compared to some of his predecessors, who just got a really hard time? i some of his predecessors, who 'ust got a really hard time?i got a really hard time? i think he was clearly _ got a really hard time? i think he was clearly more _

got a really hard time? i think he was clearly more likeable - got a really hard time? i think he was clearly more likeable than i got a really hard time? i think he| was clearly more likeable than his previous— was clearly more likeable than his previous ulcers, some of them. he followed _ previous ulcers, some of them. he followed sam allardyce for going down, _ followed sam allardyce for going down, going into a scandal, choose your own _ down, going into a scandal, choose your own word. certainly worldly in a way _ your own word. certainly worldly in a way that — your own word. certainly worldly in a way that southgate perhaps is as well _ a way that southgate perhaps is as well. never really clicked. it was all pretty— well. never really clicked. it was all pretty accurate by the end. i would _ all pretty accurate by the end. i would say — all pretty accurate by the end. i would say is a fan, thinking to the final _ would say is a fan, thinking to the final, particularly the penalty shoot—out against columbia in 2018 and the _ shoot—out against columbia in 2018 and the euros and 2021— i shoot—out against columbia in 2018 and the euros and 2021 — i have friends — and the euros and 2021 — i have friends who— and the euros and 2021 — i have friends who never would have been into football or the england national team. into football or the england nationalteam. 0r into football or the england nationalteam. orwho into football or the england national team. 0r who did feel it seems _ national team. 0r who did feel it seems they could get into it under gareth— seems they could get into it under gareth southgate. that's not necessarily they were attracted to him himself, but they seem to have changed _ him himself, but they seem to have changed the culture. that was very

striking _ changed the culture. that was very striking to — changed the culture. that was very striking to me and i think it goes hand—in—hand with the lionesses' success— hand—in—hand with the lionesses' success in— hand—in—hand with the lionesses' success in 2023. i think it feels like more — success in 2023. i think it feels like more of the nation was galvanised by england's success under— galvanised by england's success under southgate. there are more successes — under southgate. there are more successes-— under southgate. there are more successes. �* ., ~ ., successes. john, i can't work out if it means the _ successes. john, i can't work out if it means the successors _ successes. john, i can't work out if it means the successors got - successes. john, i can't work out if it means the successors got an - it means the successors got an impossible task or a possible task. if you look at the list of achievements, under gareth southgate, the team either did things they've never done before and they brought on a lot of barriers and scored a lot of goals. some of them are memorable moments. they came up with memories that will go on for decades and decades. the

penalty shoot—out against switzerland or the ollie watkins to win against the netherlands. it's a tricky situation for fans get their heads around, but you mentioned the play dear england. i felt it needed that final chapter, the final story. if this was hollywood, yes, england would have won against spain, but it's not, and that's why sport keeps so many of us who love sport locked into it — because you just never know. i'm here talking to you on newscast. where i was must be right now i would be here in trafalgar square when we would be witnessing a very, very different story.

—— henry, you would have been indices prime ministers are keir starmer. �* indices prime ministers are keir starmer. . , , ., , starmer. and i suppose he would be sir gareth southgate. _ starmer. and i suppose he would be sir gareth southgate. i wonder - starmer. and i suppose he would be sir gareth southgate. i wonder if. starmer. and i suppose he would be sir gareth southgate. i wonder if he| sir gareth southgate. i wonder if he still will_ sir gareth southgate. i wonder if he still will be — sir gareth southgate. i wonder if he still will be. it was very brief and very unsuccessfully a manager —— he was _ very unsuccessfully a manager —— he was. john _ very unsuccessfully a manager —— he was. john might know whether he'll want to— was. john might know whether he'll want to try— was. john might know whether he'll want to try his hand of club management. he instantly will be home a _ management. he instantly will be home a more divisive figure, because club rivalries — home a more divisive figure, because club rivalries in this country run very— club rivalries in this country run very deeo _ club rivalries in this country run very deeo i _ club rivalries in this country run very deep-— club rivalries in this country run ve dee. ,, very deep. i think that's the plan, i think very deep. i think that's the plan, i think club _ very deep. i think that's the plan, i think club management, - very deep. i think that's the plan, i think club management, i - very deep. i think that's the plan, i think club management, i think| very deep. i think that's the plan, i i think club management, i think you would like to have another crack. i think he believes he's a much better manager now. i think his decisions showed that he has developed. he was criticised for a number of decisions

and matches, but it quite often came off for him. i think he's quite worldly, he's been learning german. it wouldn't surprise me at all he ended up managing big clubs. his third act. i'm going to let you drive to the golf, and henry, i'm going to let you comment back on the defence review.— going to let you comment back on the defence review._ a slightly l defence review. pleasure! a slightly different it know _ defence review. pleasure! a slightly different it know mike _ defence review. pleasure! a slightly different it know mike upset - defence review. pleasure! a slightly different it know mike upset of - different it know mike upset of newscast. —— different episode of. also recorded in two different studios. the first half of this episode will be me and john murray and henry, talking about gareth southgate, the second half will be me and my podcasting best buddy, chris mason, who is in wales. he is talking about the departure of vaughan gething as first minister.

a few ones ago, you might remember that vaughan gething was crowned first minister of wales. it was quite a milestone moment because it was the first minister of the uk nation who was black —— first first minister. he came on newscast to talk about this, but his tenure has ended after and something days. having pretty much been dogged by something of a scandal ever since he got the post. we will discuss that on episode. here is how vaughan gething announced the news on tuesday mid—morning. i have this morning taken the difficult decision to begin the process— difficult decision to begin the process of stepping down as the leader— process of stepping down as the leader of— process of stepping down as the leader of welsh labour and as a result, — leader of welsh labour and as a result, the _ leader of welsh labour and as a result, the first minister. having been _ result, the first minister. having been elected in march this year, i

had hoped — been elected in march this year, i had hoped over the summer, a period of reflection. — had hoped over the summer, a period of reflection, rebuilding and renewal— of reflection, rebuilding and renewal could take place under my leadership. i recognise now that this is— leadership. i recognise now that this is not— leadership. i recognise now that this is not possible. it has been an honour— this is not possible. it has been an honour to — this is not possible. it has been an honour to do — this is not possible. it has been an honour to do this job for a few short— honour to do this job for a few short months. in 11 years as a minister. _ short months. in 11 years as a minister. i_ short months. in 11 years as a minister, i have never, ever made a decision— minister, i have never, ever made a decision for— minister, i have never, ever made a decision for personal gain. i have nevei’. _ decision for personal gain. i have never. ever— decision for personal gain. i have never, ever misused or abused my ministerial— never, ever misused or abused my ministerial responsibility. when —— my integrity— ministerial responsibility. when —— my integrity matters and i have not compromised it. i regret the burden of proof— compromised it. i regret the burden of proof is _ compromised it. i regret the burden of proof is no longer an important commodity— of proof is no longer an important commodity in the language of our politics _ commodity in the language of our politics i— commodity in the language of our politics. i do hope that can change for all— politics. i do hope that can change for all of— politics. i do hope that can change for all of us — politics. i do hope that can change for all of us. i will now discuss with— for all of us. i will now discuss with the — for all of us. i will now discuss with the welsh executive the

timetable for a new leader of welsh labour _ timetable fora new leader of welsh labour i_ timetable for a new leader of welsh labour. i do want to say thank you to all— labour. i do want to say thank you to all those — labour. i do want to say thank you to all those 12 reach out to support me, to all those 12 reach out to support me. my— to all those 12 reach out to support me, my team and my family in recent weeks _ me, my team and my family in recent weeks it— me, my team and my family in recent weeks. it really does mean a great deal _ a few months ago, he won the leadership contest to the labour party in wales. he became the first minister. he came on this podcast to talk about what a big milestone to be the first black person to be elected as the first minister of uk nation or in real political power anywhere in western europe. from that moment, he was dogged because he had accepted a donation to his leadership from a businessman who had been prosecuted for environmental offences in wales. no

rules were broken, but lots of questions about it and raising it all the time. fast forward a few months, he faced a vote of no—confidence in the senedd, which was brought by the welsh opposition parties. he lost that vote, but the rules say he didn't have to resign, so he carried on. he accused a former colleague of leaking a whatsapp message during the covid pandemic, which she strenuously denied. the last straw came on tuesday morning, when four of his welsh government colleagues resigned and said, "mate, you're holding us back. we cannot serve in government while you are its head." that meant he basically couldn't carry on. he resigned, triggering another leadership contest in wales. let's pick up all of this with chris mason. hello, chris. i mason. hello, chris. hello, adam. i know you've — mason. hello, chris. hello, adam. i know you've been _ mason. hello, chris. hello, adam. i know you've been in _ mason. hello, chris. hello, adam. i know you've been in cardiff, - mason. hello, chris. hello, adam. i know you've been in cardiff, i- know you've been in cardiff, i imagine you will be heading back to london. enough of the logistics.

your words on the election — blimey! exactly, blimey! i'm back in the van with no windows, trundling around like a kind of mad thing. yeah, we go again. even the most dedicated newscaster might think we've had enough of chris mason rambling about politics, can we talk about anything else? i get that because i'd be happy to shut up, but stuff keeps happening! a proper thunderbolt moment in welsh politics. ten o'clock this morning with those four, four! resignations. ramming home the internal political truth as a leader, which is if you can't convince your side that you can lead, then you can't leave and you have to go. —— you can't lead. he

was saying he was a goner perhaps. you are referring to the four ministers who resigned on tuesday morning, the last four straw. even before he was elected. completely, so, iwas before he was elected. completely, so. i was here _ before he was elected. completely, so, i was here in _ before he was elected. completely, so, i was here in cardiff— before he was elected. completely, so, i was here in cardiff in - before he was elected. completely, so, i was here in cardiff in march, l so, i was here in cardiff in march, when vaughan gething was elected, and it was a really curious election. it was the big announcement, it was vaughan gething againstjeremy miles, both of the ministers in the previous welsh government. there was lots of warm words, as you get, about this, blah, blah, blah. it was obvious — i'm always conscious of my ignorance — but the limits of my knowledge, to be candid. it was obvious even to me

the bad blood, so evenjeremy miles wouldn't talk to his camera to say congratulations to the other guys. he says on social media eventually, but not on camera. the donations row was roughly £200,000, a massive amount of money. in was posted, it's —— in welsh politics, it's colossal. he never really shook off that. those text messages from the pandemic, the sacking of the minister who was accused of doing that leaking. she denied it. she said she wasn't the source, what a mess. it was nonbinding, so he could say on. it was one thing after another. it was a nightmare for

vaughan gething. he got the most extraordinaryjob in welsh politics. yet the minute he got it, to be honest, the skids were under him. i suppose the weird thing was this might have been him bursting to a uk—wide political attention, but he had been around for decades. he had just come out. fascinating character. fascinating character. one of his parents was from zambia — he was born there— another from bridgend. he was born in zambia, then spent his childhood in dorset, that ended up at university in aberystwyth. he became a labour politician. he was very prominent as health minister in the pandemic. he was seen as the becoming political,

which was justified in the context of what happened. that will leadership race between him and jeremy vitals, which was fascinating, becausejeremy miles was more popular among members of the senedd. the very team that vaughan gething was spending his day—to—day political life with as first minister, more of them have backed his opponent then at him. he had done more amongst the trade union. the contacts was —— contest was very close even though vaughan gething had the shed load rattling around in his bank account. it was actually quite close. more than asking if he could have even won without that money. if he had not accepted that money, what any of

that happened? would it have been as destabilising as this sort of domino effect. we should obviously cover this on its own merit _ we should obviously cover this on its own merit and _ we should obviously cover this on its own merit and i _ we should obviously cover this on its own merit and i hate _ we should obviously cover this on its own merit and i hate reducing | its own merit and i hate reducing anything happen so what does it mean at westminster. at the fact is that at westminster. at the fact is that a lot of this, vaughan gething had the support of his he had keir starmer. , . the support of his he had keir starmer. , , ., , ~ starmer. only 'ust last week, when he was starmer. onlyjust last week, when he was dashing _ starmer. onlyjust last week, when he was dashing around _ starmer. onlyjust last week, when he was dashing around the - starmer. onlyjust last week, when he was dashing around the uk, - starmer. onlyjust last week, when he was dashing around the uk, he l starmer. onlyjust last week, when i he was dashing around the uk, he was here in cardiff drifting and grinning with vaughan gething. in all of those years that labour were in opposition, all of that talk of

the part of the uk pointed here to wales to the long storming —— long—standing labour government here. less than a fortnight, the labour government is imploding. it's kind of the last thing you need as keir starmer. he is cushioned by his mountainous majority at westminster, but clearly stuff like that are not what you would want. —— is not. then we've had this sort of merry—go—round starting in march and resuming. in between, turbulence where we look. chris, thank you very much, see you soon. . ~'

chris, thank you very much, see you soon. . ~ ,, chris, thank you very much, see you soon. ., ~ ., ., ., chris, thank you very much, see you soon-_ newscastl soon. talk you tomorrow. newscast from the bbc- _ newscast from the bbc.

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