i don't know how i'll react. hello, mate. how are you doing? eli, i can never thank you enough for giving me a voice. i promise to use it for good and always make my voice heard. so how was that for you? it was brilliant. it was so fun and i exciting to see dan. and, yeah, it was great. and i wasjust so, so thrilled. what was it like hearing your voice but dan speaking it? really, like, odd but brilliant! it might take some getting used to. dan's mum sarah has now joined the excitement, and eli has come here today with his mum claire and dad stuart. so we want both families to meet, so let's bring them in. hiya.

hi. so lovely to meet you. two families united by one voice, and there are already plans for a video call when eli is back in new york. megan jones, bbc news. a wonderful story. you're watching bbc news. stay tuned. newsnight is next. but is he on a collision course with his own backbenchers over child benefits? and donald trump's vice presidential pick claims the uk is an islamist country. is that really how the new republican party views britain?

hello and welcome to newsnight, the home of sparkling conversation and illuminating guests. and tonight on the sofa are liam thorp, political editor of the liverpool echo, and freddy gray, deputy editor of the spectator, and our nick is also here, of course, making sense of it all. and with parliament preparing for all the pageantry of the state opening tomorrow, we're going to dive straight into uk politics and the first king's speech under a labour government in nearly 75 years. nick, what do you know? you know i like to have a scoop, i like to reveal things exclusively to you. i have got the secret document upon which the king's speech is based. i can reveal it here. it is this document here, it is called the labour manifesto for the general election. there are going to be 35 bills or draft bill is absolutely taken from there, so no great secrets, but what is interesting is

what is downing street, what is keir starmer, highlighting tonight? they are highlighting a number of areas, transport, they are talking about how they will take rail services back into public ownership once their contracts expire or if operators fail to deliver on their commitments. they are going to have better buses to allow new powers for local council areas to franchise local council areas to franchise local bus services, speeding up and streamlining the planning process, and then the english devolution bill, which was called to take back control bill in the manifesto, to to devolve power to the new england mayors. what language is keir starmer using? he is going to remember the vote we've take back control, he has been to use that, then he is going to say now is the time to take the brakes off britain. why is keir starmer saying that? because he knows he hasn't got much time, he has got to get the economy growing and he has got to do that

quickly. growing and he has got to do that cuickl . ., ., g; quickly. you mentioned 35 draft laws, quickly. you mentioned 35 draft laws. what _ quickly. you mentioned 35 draft laws. what is — quickly. you mentioned 35 draft laws, what is the _ quickly. you mentioned 35 draft laws, what is the strategy - quickly. you mentioned 35 draft. laws, what is the strategy behind it? that is far more than any new government in recent history has come as i have had a look at at... they want to move quickly, i was talking to one member of tony blair's various cabinets. i said there had in the ground running pretty quickly, and that generation are a bit sniffy about keir starmer, but it is certainly the case that sue gray, keir starmer�*s chief of staff, a former senior civil servant who do depart a good report into borisjohnson, she has done a lot of work in the first ten days or so —— that she did the partygate report. the defect or ban from the conservative government on onshore wind turbines, that has gone. the feeling amongst some people in the cabinet is a great whitehall preparation. what about the politics? have they got the politics right? it is only a few months ago that i said, sitting right here,

some are sympathetic to the labour party, saint rachel reeves, now the chancellor, had modelled herself on the wrong shadow chancellor. she was thinking of been the rock of stability like gordon brown, potentially what she should have done was the scorched earth policy of george osborne, which is to spend in the year running up to the general election saying, it is your opponenfs general election saying, it is your opponent's fault for everything. some concerns that that did not happen, but every column about the labour party in the last few days has been, we are doing a george osborne. prison is broken from nhs broken, rachel reeves asking the treasury to look at public finances, finally they are getting there, that scorched earth policy.— scorched earth policy. finally they are listening _ scorched earth policy. finally they are listening to _ scorched earth policy. finally they are listening to you. _ let's bring in liam and freddy. the king's speech will be viewed as a blueprint for the scale of his ambition, keir starmer right now at the apex of his power, but how do you read this?—

you read this? nick made a very dramatic effort _ you read this? nick made a very dramatic effort in _ you read this? nick made a very dramatic effort in doing - you read this? nick made a very dramatic effort in doing so, - you read this? nick made a very dramatic effort in doing so, but| you read this? nick made a very i dramatic effort in doing so, but he suggested — dramatic effort in doing so, but he suggested that it is bad news for journalists. we have had such wonderful chaos for so long, now we are getting _ wonderful chaos for so long, now we are getting a fairly predictable prime — are getting a fairly predictable prime minister. i think as we will probably— prime minister. i think as we will probably elaborate on, there is a boldness— probably elaborate on, there is a boldness there, a lot going on, but it is pretty— boldness there, a lot going on, but it is pretty much doing what it says on the _ it is pretty much doing what it says on the tin, — it is pretty much doing what it says on the tin, growth, growth, growth, and i_ on the tin, growth, growth, growth, and i will_ on the tin, growth, growth, growth, and i will he — on the tin, growth, growth, growth, and i will be particularly interested in the empowering local communities stuff, because i think a new government gets a bit more hope and optimism in something like that, which _ and optimism in something like that, which is _ and optimism in something like that, which is often very waffle way, but when _ which is often very waffle way, but when the — which is often very waffle way, but when the tories was told about it two years — when the tories was told about it two years ago, everyone said what they were — two years ago, everyone said what they were talking about would not work _ they were talking about would not work. ., , . work. one of the things, liam, we are not expecting, _ work. one of the things, liam, we are not expecting, is _ work. one of the things, liam, we are not expecting, is any - work. one of the things, liam, we i are not expecting, is any movement on the two child benefit cap. you have reported on child poverty in liverpool over a long period, how important is that question to your readers? it important is that question to your readers? , , ,., . readers? it is hugely important. in the book the _ readers? it is hugely important. in the book the other _ readers? it is hugely important. in the book the other day, _ readers? it is hugely important. in the book the other day, 11,000 .

the book the other day, 11,000 families— the book the other day, 11,000 families in— the book the other day, 11,000 families in merseyside - the book the other day, 11,000 families in merseyside are - the book the other day, 11,000 - families in merseyside are currently affected _ families in merseyside are currently affected lty— families in merseyside are currently affected by it. — families in merseyside are currently affected by it, 1.6 _ families in merseyside are currently affected by it, 1.6 million _ families in merseyside are currently affected by it, 1.6 million across- affected by it, 1.6 million across the country. _ affected by it, 1.6 million across the country, and _ affected by it, 1.6 million across the country, and in _ affected by it, 1.6 million across the country, and in parts - affected by it, 1.6 million across the country, and in parts of- the country, and in parts of liverpool. _ the country, and in parts of liverpool, we _ the country, and in parts of liverpool, we have - the country, and in parts of liverpool, we have two - the country, and in parts of liverpool, we have two and the country, and in parts of- liverpool, we have two and three kids in_ liverpool, we have two and three kids in poverty _ liverpool, we have two and three kids in poverty. that _ liverpool, we have two and three kids in poverty. that is _ liverpool, we have two and three kids in poverty. that is the single quickest— kids in poverty. that is the single quickest and _ kids in poverty. that is the single quickest and most _ kids in poverty. that is the single quickest and most effective - kids in poverty. that is the single - quickest and most effective measure to take _ quickest and most effective measure to take hundreds _ quickest and most effective measure to take hundreds of— quickest and most effective measure to take hundreds of thousands - quickest and most effective measure to take hundreds of thousands of - to take hundreds of thousands of children— to take hundreds of thousands of children out _ to take hundreds of thousands of children out of— to take hundreds of thousands of children out of poverty _ to take hundreds of thousands of children out of poverty overnight| to take hundreds of thousands of i children out of poverty overnight is to lift _ children out of poverty overnight is to lift that — children out of poverty overnight is to lift that cap, _ children out of poverty overnight is to lift that cap, and _ children out of poverty overnight is to lift that cap, and i— children out of poverty overnight is to lift that cap, and i think- children out of poverty overnight is to lift that cap, and i think it- children out of poverty overnight is to lift that cap, and i think it is- to lift that cap, and i think it is a very— to lift that cap, and i think it is a very difficult _ to lift that cap, and i think it is a very difficult policy— to lift that cap, and i think it is a very difficult policy for- to lift that cap, and i think it isl a very difficult policy for limited event — a very difficult policy for limited event they _ a very difficult policy for limited event. they will _ a very difficult policy for limited event. they will never - a very difficult policy for limited event. they will never be more | event. they will never be more powerful — event. they will never be more powerful than _ event. they will never be more powerful than this, _ event. they will never be more powerful than this, they - event. they will never be more powerful than this, they can i event. they will never be more powerful than this, they can do event. they will never be more i powerful than this, they can do all the things— powerful than this, they can do all the things that _ powerful than this, they can do all the things that they— powerful than this, they can do all the things that they think - powerful than this, they can do all the things that they think they- the things that they think they should — the things that they think they should do. _ the things that they think they should do, and _ the things that they think they should do, and now sure - the things that they think they should do, and now sure we . the things that they think they- should do, and now sure we would be the time _ should do, and now sure we would be the time to— should do, and now sure we would be the time to do— should do, and now sure we would be the time to do that. _ should do, and now sure we would be the time to do that. i— should do, and now sure we would be the time to do that. ithink— the time to do that. i think there is plenty— the time to do that. i think there is plenty of— the time to do that. i think there is plenty of stuff _ the time to do that. i think there is plenty of stuff in _ the time to do that. i think there is plenty of stuff in the _ the time to do that. i think there is plenty of stuff in the kings - is plenty of stuff in the kings speech— is plenty of stuff in the kings speech tomorrow— is plenty of stuff in the kings speech tomorrow that - is plenty of stuff in the kings speech tomorrow that is - is plenty of stuff in the kingsi speech tomorrow that is quite is plenty of stuff in the kings - speech tomorrow that is quite the progressive — speech tomorrow that is quite the progressive and _ speech tomorrow that is quite the progressive and will— speech tomorrow that is quite the progressive and will start - speech tomorrow that is quite the progressive and will start to - progressive and will start to fundamentally _ progressive and will start to fundamentally change - progressive and will start tol fundamentally change things progressive and will start to . fundamentally change things in progressive and will start to - fundamentally change things in the country _ fundamentally change things in the country, whether— fundamentally change things in the country, whether it _ fundamentally change things in the country, whether it is _ fundamentally change things in the country, whether it is real- fundamentally change things in the country, whether it is real ash- fundamentally change things in the country, whether it is real ash liesi country, whether it is real ash lies on the _ country, whether it is real ash lies on the railways. _ country, whether it is real ash lies on the railways, a _ country, whether it is real ash lies on the railways, a new— country, whether it is real ash lies on the railways, a new deal- country, whether it is real ash lies on the railways, a new deal for. on the railways, a new deal for workers' — on the railways, a new deal for workers' rights, _ on the railways, a new deal for workers' rights, but— on the railways, a new deal for workers' rights, but there - on the railways, a new deal for workers' rights, but there is i on the railways, a new deal for workers' rights, but there is a i workers' rights, but there is a glaring — workers' rights, but there is a glaring omission— workers' rights, but there is a glaring omission and - workers' rights, but there is a glaring omission and i- workers' rights, but there is a glaring omission and i know. workers' rights, but there is a . glaring omission and i know you workers' rights, but there is a - glaring omission and i know you will talk about— glaring omission and i know you will talk about it — glaring omission and i know you will talk about it more _ glaring omission and i know you will talk about it more in _ glaring omission and i know you will. talk about it more in the programme, and i talk about it more in the programme, and i think— talk about it more in the programme, and i think politically _ talk about it more in the programme, and i think politically it _ talk about it more in the programme, and i think politically it is— talk about it more in the programme, and i think politically it is a _ and i think politically it is a mistake _ and i think politically it is a mistake because _ and i think politically it is a mistake because by- and i think politically it is a mistake because by does l and i think politically it is a. mistake because by does he and i think politically it is a - mistake because by does he want to start to _ mistake because by does he want to start to have — mistake because by does he want to start to have a — mistake because by does he want to start to have a row— mistake because by does he want to start to have a row of— mistake because by does he want to start to have a row of members - mistake because by does he want to start to have a row of members of. start to have a row of members of his own _ start to have a row of members of his own party? _ start to have a row of members of his own party? -- _ start to have a row of members of his own party? —— renationalisingi his own party? —— renationalising the railways _ his own party? —— renationalising the railways. the _ his own party? —— renationalising the railways. the tories- his own party? —— renationalising the railways. the tories are - his own party? —— renationalising the railways. the tories are not i the railways. the tories are not coherent— the railways. the tories are not coherent at— the railways. the tories are not coherent at the _ the railways. the tories are not coherent at the moment - the railways. the tories are not coherent at the moment and i the railways. the tories are noti coherent at the moment and you the railways. the tories are not - coherent at the moment and you have voices— coherent at the moment and you have voices from _ coherent at the moment and you have voices from the — coherent at the moment and you have voices from the left _ coherent at the moment and you have

voices from the left within _ coherent at the moment and you have voices from the left within the - voices from the left within the party i— voices from the left within the party, i think— voices from the left within the party, i think a _ voices from the left within the party, i think a lot _ voices from the left within the party, i think a lot of- voices from the left within the party, i think a lot of it- voices from the left within the party, i think a lot of it is- party, i think a lot of it is very uncomfortable, _ party, i think a lot of it is very uncomfortable, i— party, i think a lot of it is very uncomfortable, i think - party, i think a lot of it is very uncomfortable, i think it - party, i think a lot of it is very uncomfortable, i think it is. party, i think a lot of it is very- uncomfortable, i think it is a moral and political— uncomfortable, i think it is a moral and political mistake. _ uncomfortable, i think it is a moral and political mistake. we - uncomfortable, i think it is a moral and political mistake.— and political mistake. we will talk more about _ and political mistake. we will talk more about it, _ and political mistake. we will talk more about it, but _ and political mistake. we will talk more about it, but freddy, - and political mistake. we will talk more about it, but freddy, before we do, there's not much money to go around, that is presumably what this is about, they have custody manifesto and it is not in it. stand manifesto and it is not in it. and rachel reeves _ manifesto and it is not in it. and rachel reeves is _ manifesto and it is not in it. and rachel reeves is desperate to sound fiscally _ rachel reeves is desperate to sound fiscally sensible, and that will be rishi _ fiscally sensible, and that will be rishi sunak's attack line against them, _ rishi sunak's attack line against them, you — rishi sunak's attack line against them, you promised you would not raise _ them, you promised you would not raise taxes. — them, you promised you would not raise taxes, you're going to raise taxes, _ raise taxes, you're going to raise taxes. and — raise taxes, you're going to raise taxes, and so quite a good comeback to that _ taxes, and so quite a good comeback to that is _ taxes, and so quite a good comeback to that is seen, we are reining in, we are— to that is seen, we are reining in, we are not— to that is seen, we are reining in, we are notjust giving in to be left on large _ we are notjust giving in to be left on large spending promises. i would say only— on large spending promises. i would say only two child think... or do you want— say only two child think... or do you want to _ say only two child think... or do you want to talk about that later? they _ you want to talk about that later? they have — you want to talk about that later? they have an actual opportunity, labour, — they have an actual opportunity, labour, the latest ons statistics show— labour, the latest ons statistics show a _ labour, the latest ons statistics show a real demographic birth crisis in britain _ show a real demographic birth crisis in britain it— show a real demographic birth crisis in britain. it would be a great opportunity to raise that, saying that we — opportunity to raise that, saying that we want to encourage british families— that we want to encourage british families to have more children, and that appeals to quite a lot of conservatives as well. interesting. i want to

conservatives as well. interesting. i want to bring _ conservatives as well. interesting. i want to bring in _ conservatives as well. interesting. i want to bring in a _ conservatives as well. interesting. i want to bring in a clip _ conservatives as well. interesting. i want to bring in a clip showing i i want to bring in a clip showing what angela rayner had to say only two child benefit cap this morning. well, i accept that people are frustrated and want to, you know, change a lot of things that the conservatives have done over the last 1a years. but our inheritance is dire. you know, the chancellor will set out in the coming weeks more of the situation. she's asked all departments to give them the frank information about what's happened. but we've seen unfunded commitments, we've seen the situation, the crisis in our prisons. so we have inherited a really difficult situation. but all i would say is, look at labour's history and what we do when we are in government. one mp who wants to see a change on that position is the liverpool riverside mp kimjohnson. shejoins me now. thank you for coming on the programme. just explain what you are attempting to do and how you are trying to do it. attempting to do and how you are trying to do it— trying to do it. what i am attempting _ trying to do it. what i am attempting to _ trying to do it. what i am attempting to do - trying to do it. what i am attempting to do is - trying to do it. what i am attempting to do is lay i trying to do it. what i am i attempting to do is lay down trying to do it. what i am - attempting to do is lay down an amendment to the king's speech tomorrow, because as we have just discussed, anything to do with child poverty has not been included, and

yet in the manifesto, the party pledged to have an ambitious programme in terms of reducing child poverty. so the purpose of the amendment is to look at starting a debate, because i think the partings to be very explicit in terms of how they are going to create that change. angela hasjust spoken they are going to create that change. angela has just spoken about what we do when we are in power, and the i997 what we do when we are in power, and the 1997 labour government was a very big and bold and very ambitious in terms of tackling child poverty, expansion of childcare places, after—school programmes, and as a single working mother at that time, i benefited from those programmes, and so to that change that really need to see now. find and so to that change that really need to see now.— and so to that change that really need to see now. and you think the ambition is — need to see now. and you think the ambition is not _ need to see now. and you think the ambition is not there _ need to see now. and you think the ambition is not there for this - ambition is not there for this labour government. before we get further into that, as i said, you are the mp for liverpool side, one of the poorest places in england. talk us through your direct

knowledge in terms of child poverty in the country right now —— liverpool riverside. in the country right now -- liverpool riverside.- in the country right now -- liverpool riverside. you mentioned liam's piece _ liverpool riverside. you mentioned liam's piece that _ liverpool riverside. you mentioned liam's piece that he _ liverpool riverside. you mentioned liam's piece that he wrote - liverpool riverside. you mentioned liam's piece that he wrote in - liverpool riverside. you mentioned liam's piece that he wrote in june i liam's piece that he wrote injune about austerity and poverty in liverpool, and all liverpool riverside is one of the most deprived constituencies in the country. 47% of children in my constituency are living in poverty, one and two children. it is dire and for me it is heartbreaking knowing that children are going to school with empty bellies —— one in two children. we are the sixth richest country in the world, and the fact that people are going hungry in this day and age is immoralfrom my point of view. angela hasjust day and age is immoralfrom my point of view. angela has just said we don't have the money, and the likes of gordon brown has said, as liam is pointing out, that was 22 child cap would be the quickest way of bringing 300,000 children out of

poverty. bringing 300,000 children out of ove . , . , , ., bringing 300,000 children out of ove . , poverty. ok, but as you say, you don't have — poverty. ok, but as you say, you don't have the _ poverty. ok, but as you say, you don't have the money. _ poverty. ok, but as you say, you don't have the money. how - poverty. ok, but as you say, you| don't have the money. how much poverty. ok, but as you say, you - don't have the money. how much do you think it will cost, and ready think that money should come from? the afs has predicted that it could cost something like 3.2 billion —— ifs. fir. cost something like 3.2 billion -- ifs. �* , ., cost something like 3.2 billion -- ifs-- yeah. _ cost something like 3.2 billion -- ifs.- yeah, but _ cost something like 3.2 billion -- ifs.- yeah, butjust - cost something like 3.2 billion -- ifs.- yeah, butjust a - ifs. a year? yeah, but 'ust a couple weeks ago. — ifs. a year? yeah, but 'ust a couple weeks ago. the h ifs. a year? yeah, but 'ust a couple weeks ago, the tory _ ifs. a year? yeah, butjust a couple weeks ago, the tory government. ifs. a year? yeah, butjust a couple l weeks ago, the tory government had to burn at £2.2 billion worth of failed ppe equipment. we are a rich country... failed ppe equipment. we are a rich count ., , country... your country did get elected -- _ country. .. your country did get elected -- your— country... your country did get elected -- your party - country... your country did get elected -- your party did - elected —— your party did get elected —— your party did get elected on a fully costed manifesto, they cannot just elected on a fully costed manifesto, they cannotjust pull rabbits out of hats, can they? it is they cannotjust pull rabbits out of hats. can they?— hats, can they? it is about looking at opportunities _ hats, can they? it is about looking at opportunities and _ hats, can they? it is about looking at opportunities and alternatives. | at opportunities and alternatives. gordon brown has provided some opportunities of where other funding can be sought, tax expert richard murphy has stated how funding can be looked at, looking at progressive taxation, there are other opportunities, and i think not doing

anything immediately stores up problems for the future. it is anything immediately stores up problems for the future. it is quite a thin , problems for the future. it is quite a thing. only _ problems for the future. it is quite a thing. only in — problems for the future. it is quite a thing, only in power— problems for the future. it is quite a thing, only in power for- problems for the future. it is quite a thing, only in power for a - problems for the future. it is quite a thing, only in power for a matter a thing, only in powerfor a matter of weeks, trying to amend a king's speech so soon after victory, you stood on that manifesto, you knew what we labour policy was. you did not say, i am within labour, you said, what, i believe i will come in and get this changed?— and get this changed? well, the whole purpose _ and get this changed? well, the whole purpose of _ and get this changed? well, the whole purpose of the _ and get this changed? well, the l whole purpose of the amendment and get this changed? well, the - whole purpose of the amendment is to just start a discussion and debate, it is not about division, it is about let's see where we can go and what we can do. and being exported in terms of the ambitious programme to reduce child poverty. but in terms of the ambitious programme to reduce child poverty.— to reduce child poverty. but have ou at to reduce child poverty. but have you at any _ to reduce child poverty. but have you at any point _ to reduce child poverty. but have you at any point thought, - to reduce child poverty. but have you at any point thought, this - to reduce child poverty. but have you at any point thought, this is| you at any point thought, this is quite soon? you talk about tony blair in 1997, there was a rebellion early on over benefits, but it took a few months. this isjust early on over benefits, but it took a few months. this is just a couple of weeks. it a few months. this is 'ust a couple of weeks. , . , . . of weeks. it is about starting that discussion. _ of weeks. it is about starting that discussion, that _ of weeks. it is about starting that discussion, that debate. - of weeks. it is about starting that discussion, that debate. the - of weeks. it is about starting that i discussion, that debate. the labour government came into power with a massive majority, people voted for

change, but people also want hope, and i think looking at removing the two child cap provides that level of hope. two child cap provides that level of ho e. �* . two child cap provides that level of ho e. . . , ., two child cap provides that level of hoe, �* ., , two child cap provides that level of hoe. �* . ., two child cap provides that level of hoe. . . ., hope. and have you spoken to rachel reeves? who — hope. and have you spoken to rachel reeves? who have _ hope. and have you spoken to rachel reeves? who have you _ hope. and have you spoken to rachel reeves? who have you been - hope. and have you spoken to rachel| reeves? who have you been speaking to? i reeves? who have you been speaking to? ., ., . ., ., reeves? who have you been speaking to? ., ., ., to? i have reached out to rachel reeves and _ to? i have reached out to rachel reeves and to _ to? i have reached out to rachel reeves and to liz _ to? i have reached out to rachel reeves and to liz kendall, - to? i have reached out to rachel reeves and to liz kendall, and i to? i have reached out to rachel| reeves and to liz kendall, and to the chief whip. i have not had a response, they are all busy at the moment, and we know other the veneers up in the air. but again, the amendment is about starting that debate. find the amendment is about starting that debate. . , ., the amendment is about starting that debate. �* , ., . the amendment is about starting that debate. . . ., the amendment is about starting that debate. �* , ., ., ., ., debate. and you are going to need cross-party _ debate. and you are going to need cross-party support _ debate. and you are going to need cross-party support for _ debate. and you are going to need cross-party support for this. - debate. and you are going to need cross-party support for this. are . cross—party support for this. are you already talking to the green party, the lib dems, reform uk? nigel farage has said he thinks this policy should be scrapped, as has suella braverman, have you spoken to the conservatives? i suella braverman, have you spoken to the conservatives?— the conservatives? i would not be s-reakin the conservatives? i would not be speaking to _ the conservatives? i would not be speaking to the — the conservatives? i would not be speaking to the tories, _ the conservatives? i would not be speaking to the tories, because i the conservatives? i would not be| speaking to the tories, because at the end of the day, it was the tories that brought this policy and, we have just suffered 1a years of austerity and they have just been obliterated. austerity and they have 'ust been obliteratedfi obliterated. who have you been s-reakin obliterated. who have you been speaking to _ obliterated. who have you been speaking to about _ obliterated. who have you been speaking to about getting - obliterated. who have you been speaking to about getting this i speaking to about getting this across? because the speaker is more likely to take it if you have

cross—party support. the likely to take it if you have cross- -a su ort. . cross-party support. the amendment has not been — cross-party support. the amendment has not been tabled _ cross-party support. the amendment has not been tabled yet, _ cross-party support. the amendment has not been tabled yet, i _ cross-party support. the amendment has not been tabled yet, i have - cross-party support. the amendment has not been tabled yet, i have to - has not been tabled yet, i have to wait until after the king's speech, and i think then we will know the level of support that it will have in terms of cross—party support. the lib dems and the green party both spoke during the election campaign about their commitment to it, so let's see what happens tomorrow after the king's speech. band let's see what happens tomorrow after the king's speech.— let's see what happens tomorrow after the king's speech. and how far are ou after the king's speech. and how far are you willing _ after the king's speech. and how far are you willing to _ after the king's speech. and how far are you willing to push _ after the king's speech. and how far are you willing to push this? - after the king's speech. and how far are you willing to push this? again, | are you willing to push this? again, it is about debate, _ are you willing to push this? again, it is about debate, let's _ are you willing to push this? again, it is about debate, let's start - are you willing to push this? again, it is about debate, let's start the i it is about debate, let's start the debate. the constituents of liverpool riverside and across the country who are entrenched in poverty at the moment need that level of hope, they need to know that the labour party is going to consider at least looking at it, you know, and looking at an ambitious programme to reduce child poverty. kimjohnson, we programme to reduce child poverty. kim johnson, we will be watching what happens. next, your take on that? most members of the labour party agreed _ most members of the labour party agreed that it should be scrapped as

do many— agreed that it should be scrapped as do many cabinet members. keir starmer— do many cabinet members. keir starmer has said he is not immune to the arguments but the problem is they say— the arguments but the problem is they say it — the arguments but the problem is they say it cannot happen now because — they say it cannot happen now because they stood on a platform in the general election of ironclad fiscal— the general election of ironclad fiscal discipline and the money is not yet _ fiscal discipline and the money is not yet in — fiscal discipline and the money is not yet in the kitty. kim mentioned rebellion _ not yet in the kitty. kim mentioned rebellion back in 1997 and that was over harriet harman cutting benefits to reduce _ over harriet harman cutting benefits to reduce the level of benefits and i remember sitting in the press gallery— i remember sitting in the press gallery of— i remember sitting in the press gallery of the house of commons in 1997 when — gallery of the house of commons in 1997 when that happened and it was one of the _ 1997 when that happened and it was one of the worst moments of harriet harman's_ one of the worst moments of harriet harman's career and happened because gordon— harman's career and happened because gordon brown said we have got to sit on the _ gordon brown said we have got to sit on the tory— gordon brown said we have got to sit on the tory spending plans for the first two— on the tory spending plans for the first two years of the government. | first two years of the government. suppose first two years of the government. i suppose there is a conservative principle lying behind the to child benefit cap, that the best way out of poverty through employment and parents should plan responsibly? i parents should plan responsibly? i think there is from the traditional point of view, yes. but i do think that the right is changing and nigel farage, his position on that shows

how it is changing. particularly with concern about immigration and building up the domestic population so as not to just replace the british with migrant workers. that is becoming an important part of the conversation on the right. ijust do not think that the labour left if they do say we want to conversation about this, they cannotjust they do say we want to conversation about this, they cannot just speak to the labour party but they have to look at politics in the mound and thatis look at politics in the mound and that is what the public are made clear. they want politics to be more conversational and more cooperative. i think there is cross—party support, _ i think there is cross—party support. the _ i think there is cross—party support, the lib _ i think there is cross—party support, the lib dems, - i think there is cross—party . support, the lib dems, snp, i think there is cross—party - support, the lib dems, snp, the greens— support, the lib dems, snp, the greensand— support, the lib dems, snp, the greens and quite _ support, the lib dems, snp, the greens and quite a _ support, the lib dems, snp, the greens and quite a few— support, the lib dems, snp, the greens and quite a few tories . support, the lib dems, snp, the greens and quite a few tories i l greens and quite a few tories i think— greens and quite a few tories i think are — greens and quite a few tories i think are in _ greens and quite a few tories i think are in favour _ greens and quite a few tories i think are in favour of _ greens and quite a few tories i think are in favour of lifting - greens and quite a few tories i j think are in favour of lifting the cap _ think are in favour of lifting the cap so — think are in favour of lifting the cap so it— think are in favour of lifting the cap. so it is— think are in favour of lifting the cap. so it is a— think are in favour of lifting the cap. so it is a labour— think are in favour of lifting the cap. so it is a labour internal. cap. so it is a labour internal wrangle _ cap. so it is a labour internal wrangle that _ cap. so it is a labour internal wrangle that could _ cap. so it is a labour internal wrangle that could be - cap. so it is a labour internal. wrangle that could be resolved cap. so it is a labour internal- wrangle that could be resolved quite easily _ wrangle that could be resolved quite easily i _ wrangle that could be resolved quite easily i think — wrangle that could be resolved quite easily i think. and _ wrangle that could be resolved quite easily i think. and i— wrangle that could be resolved quite easily i think. and i think— wrangle that could be resolved quite easily i think. and i think you - wrangle that could be resolved quite easily i think. and i think you need i easily i think. and i think you need to look— easily i think. and i think you need to look at— easily i think. and i think you need to look at the _ easily i think. and i think you need to look at the long—term _ easily i think. and i think you need to look at the long—term impact i easily i think. and i think you need to look at the long—term impact as well, _ to look at the long—term impact as well, not _ to look at the long—term impact as well, notjust— to look at the long—term impact as well, not just about _ to look at the long—term impact as well, not just about that _ to look at the long—term impact as well, not just about that upfront . well, not just about that upfront cost now — well, not just about that upfront cost now but _ well, not just about that upfront cost now but we _ well, not just about that upfront cost now but we know _ well, not just about that upfront cost now but we know that - well, not just about that upfront cost now but we know that if- well, not just about that upfrontl cost now but we know that if kids are malnourished, _ cost now but we know that if kids are malnourished, if— cost now but we know that if kids are malnourished, if they're - cost now but we know that if kids .

are malnourished, if they're hungry going _ are malnourished, if they're hungry going to _ are malnourished, if they're hungry going to school _ are malnourished, if they're hungry going to school than _ are malnourished, if they're hungry going to school than they— are malnourished, if they're hungry going to school than they do - are malnourished, if they're hungry going to school than they do not. going to school than they do not learn _ going to school than they do not learn and — going to school than they do not learn and their— going to school than they do not learn and their educational- learn and their educational attainment _ learn and their educational attainment is _ learn and their educational attainment is not - learn and their educational attainment is not good - learn and their educational| attainment is not good and learn and their educational- attainment is not good and doctors say they— attainment is not good and doctors say they will — attainment is not good and doctors say they will suffer _ attainment is not good and doctors say they will suffer health - attainment is not good and doctors say they will suffer health issues i say they will suffer health issues the older— say they will suffer health issues the older they— say they will suffer health issues the older they get. _ say they will suffer health issues the older they get. so _ say they will suffer health issues the older they get. so it - say they will suffer health issues the older they get. so it is - say they will suffer health issues i the older they get. so it is making that decision — the older they get. so it is making that decision now— the older they get. so it is making that decision now and _ the older they get. so it is making that decision now and even - that decision now and even physically— that decision now and even physically it _ that decision now and even physically it will— that decision now and even physically it will be - that decision now and even . physically it will be beneficial going — physically it will be beneficial going forward _ physically it will be beneficial going forward. find _ physically it will be beneficial going forward-— physically it will be beneficial going forward. physically it will be beneficial aroin forward. �* . going forward. and freddie, we have not so going forward. and freddie, we have got so used — going forward. and freddie, we have got so used to _ going forward. and freddie, we have got so used to talk— going forward. and freddie, we have got so used to talk of _ going forward. and freddie, we have got so used to talk of conservative i got so used to talk of conservative infighting and now talk about this is a conversation but we've heard less about labour division so is this a sign of something that may be the conservatives can feel positive about? ., , . , the conservatives can feel positive about? . , . about? the conservatives may have finaers about? the conservatives may have fingers crossed _ about? the conservatives may have fingers crossed for _ about? the conservatives may have fingers crossed for that. _ about? the conservatives may have fingers crossed for that. i _ about? the conservatives may have fingers crossed for that. i think - fingers crossed for that. i think definitely there is some tension there and i cannot keep saying we want to conversation while pretending that they're not rebelling. but i do not think it is a major headache for keir starmer particularly with his majority. it particularly with his majority. it is hard to keep everyone happy and he has _ is hard to keep everyone happy and he has not — is hard to keep everyone happy and he has not really got much opposition coming from the tories, they will— opposition coming from the tories, they will probably have a long and potentially quite bitter leadership

election. and so the real opposition potentially could come from within the party— potentially could come from within the party and that is the challenge of a massive majority. well the party and that is the challenge of a massive majority. of a massive ma'ority. well please eve one of a massive ma'ority. well please eveenery stay — of a massive majority. well please everyone stay here _ of a massive majority. well please everyone stay here now— of a massive majority. well please everyone stay here now but - of a massive majority. well please everyone stay here now but we - of a massive majority. well please| everyone stay here now but we are going to move to the states. in perhaps a sign of how quick the political sands are shifting, borisjohnson's been speaking to donald trump at the republican national convention today. the former pm came out of that meeting and said that he had "no doubt" that trump would be "strong and decisive" in supporting ukraine and defending democracy. the appointment ofjd vance as his candidate for vice president has led to renewed discussions and fears in europe about what's at stake in the presidential election. in the past few hours, joe biden's been speaking in nevada. i'm truly honoured to be here amid this tense moment in this country, and it is a tense moment. just a few days after the assassination attempt on donald trump, we are grateful he was not seriously injured. we continue to pray for him and his family. it's time for an important conversation in this country.

our politics has got too heated. i said at the oval office on sunday night, as i've made clear throughout my presidency, we all have a responsibility to lower the temperature and condemn violence in any form! let's speak to larry elder now, who's at the rnc. he ran a campaign to be the republican presidential nominee, but has since endorsed donald trump. thank you so much for coming on the programme and welcome. you are there as i say and we know donald trump has also been there and is there. have you seen him? and also can reflect on the assassination attempt and how you think it has or will change him? presumably you cannot not have any significant impact as result? i not have any significant impact as result? , . , result? i did seem last night althou:h result? i did seem last night although not _ result? i did seem last night although not up _ result? i did seem last night although not up close - result? i did seem last night although not up close and i result? i did seem last night - although not up close and personal. i was in the arena with everyone

else watching him walk out there and it was just electric. as for how it is changing everything i think is the president said we will not lower the president said we will not lower the temperature and that is bad news for president biden because he cannot run on his record of record inflation and high gas prices, gas prices around 50% higher than when he took office, 8 million illegal aliens in the country, aggression by putin and ukraine, by iran and excuse me, by china or because biden pull troops out of afghanistan. that is not a record that i would want to run on so the democrats run on donald trump being a fascist, hitler, abortion on climate change. if they cannot talk about that then it is coffee table issues, are you paying more now for the same services than through and half years ago and the average family four is

paying around $1200 a month more now. . ., , . ., y paying around $1200 a month more now. . ., ., , ., now. than three months ago. sorry to interru -t now. than three months ago. sorry to interrupt but — now. than three months ago. sorry to interrupt but i — now. than three months ago. sorry to interrupt but i was _ now. than three months ago. sorry to interrupt but i was also _ now. than three months ago. sorry to interrupt but i was also after- now. than three months ago. sorry to interrupt but i was also after more - interrupt but i was also after more personal take for you as welljust about what you think it means for donald trump? i know people talking about unifying as you said, kind of unity campaign but in terms him personally, you know him. how would you reflect on what happened and how it has impacted him? i you reflect on what happened and how it has impacted him?— it has impacted him? i think an hinr it has impacted him? i think anything like _ it has impacted him? i think anything like that _ it has impacted him? i think anything like that changes i it has impacted him? i think. anything like that changes you, it has impacted him? i think- anything like that changes you, with ronald reagan with an attempted assassination on him i think you reflect more and become a bit more sensitive and a bit more compassionate. i've a feeling donald trump feels that way. just reading his expression last night he seemed a lot more calm and a lot more relatable and human perhaps than in the past. so i suspect that is what this did to him. find the past. so i suspect that is what this did to him.— this did to him. and talking of assassination _ this did to him. and talking of

assassination attempts - this did to him. and talking of assassination attempts the i this did to him. and talking of i assassination attempts the new this did to him. and talking of - assassination attempts the new york times reporting and we can this by saying it is based on one source but they are reporting that american intelligence detected a potential iranian plot to assassinate donald trump recently which was unrelated to what happened over the weekend. but did lead to an increased security presence, they were made aware of the plot before the rally on saturday. have you heard about that and have you got any reaction to that story? i that and have you got any reaction to that story?— that and have you got any reaction to that story? i did hear about that my erection _ to that story? i did hear about that my erection is _ to that story? i did hear about that my erection is there's _ to that story? i did hear about that my erection is there's always i my erection is there's always chatter like that from iran which is the number—one sponsor of terrorism in the world. i'm not surprised if there would be a plot to take out there would be a plot to take out the president no who they are. sol think they are taking the chatter more seriously now after what happened on saturday. more? more seriously now after what happened on saturday. now the big news is m3 being _ happened on saturday. now the big news is m3 being picked _ happened on saturday. now the big news is m3 being picked as - happened on saturday. now the big news is m3 being picked as the i happened on saturday. now the big news is m3 being picked as the vice j news is m3 being picked as the vice presidential contender candidate. the big news here in britain though is comments that he made about this country. let mejust is comments that he made about this country. let me just play this.

i was talking with a friend recently, and we were talking about, you know, one of the big dangers in the world of course is nuclear proliferation. of course the biden administration doesn't care about it. and i was talking about, you know, what is the first truly islamist country that will get a nuclear weapon? and we were like maybe it is iran. you know, maybe pakistan already kind of counts. and then we sort of finally decided, maybe it is actually the uk since labourjust took over. you're ina you're in a room with 50,000 of the most influential republicans in the us, you are a former presidential candidate yourself, is what he said there is the majority view at the republican national convention about the uk? {lilli republican national convention about the uk? . ., , republican national convention about the uk? , ., ., ., the uk? of course not. i have to watch the _ the uk? of course not. i have to watch the interview _ the uk? of course not. i have to watch the interview in _ the uk? of course not. i have to watch the interview in context i the uk? of course not. i have to i watch the interview in context and i suspect that he was joking. obviously we are not concerned about nuclear proliferation on the part of the uk. iran ought to be concerned about them getting the nuclear bomb.

was something else he said ahead of the russian invasion of ukraine. it's ridiculous that we are focused on this border in ukraine. i've got to be honest with you, i don't really care what happens to ukraine one way or the other. so essentially saying he does not care what happens to ukraine, is that what most republicans think when it comes to ukraine? we have borisjohnson a force talking today to donald trump and saying the president discussed ukraine with him and says that he was strong and decisive in supporting the country. where do republicans stand? i decisive in supporting the country. where do republicans stand? i cannot seak for where do republicans stand? i cannot speakfor all— where do republicans stand? i cannot speak for all republicans _ where do republicans stand? i cannot speak for all republicans but - where do republicans stand? i cannot speak for all republicans but i - speak for all republicans but i think the republican party is united in this, they do not want ukraine to get a blank cheque and they feel that it poses a bigger threat to europe than as an we would like the war to be ended. donald trump has said he will pressure both ukraine and putin to reach some kind of settlement when he becomes president and ifeel that

settlement when he becomes president and i feel that putin settlement when he becomes president and ifeel that putin has settlement when he becomes president and i feel that putin has lost 300,000 troops and 30 or so generals and there was an attempted coup and the economy is in freefall, people thought the war would last a few weeks but this is now a year at number three and putin has already lost. i believe he is looking for an off ramp and donald trump will put pressure on to give one. you off ramp and donald trump will put pressure on to give one.— pressure on to give one. you ran arainst pressure on to give one. you ran against donald _ pressure on to give one. you ran against donald trump, _ pressure on to give one. you ran against donald trump, then i pressure on to give one. you ran against donald trump, then you | against donald trump, then you endorsed him. iwonder could against donald trump, then you endorsed him. i wonder could you tell us how that happened, what did he say to persuade you to announce that you were stepping down when you did not standing when you did, what was the back to that? mr; did not standing when you did, what was the back to that? my campaign, i ran for a couple _ was the back to that? my campaign, i ran for a couple of— was the back to that? my campaign, i ran for a couple of reasons, _ was the back to that? my campaign, i ran for a couple of reasons, i - ran for a couple of reasons, i thought we needed an amendment to the constitution about our gdp. i

grew up in los angeles in a primarily black area and in baltimore there are 13 public high schools in intercity black areas were 0% of kids can do maths at high level. and i wanted to highlight the domestic problems in america, the large number of kids without a father in the home married to the mother. ~ . father in the home married to the mother. . . . , ., mother. what did donald trump say to ou? he mother. what did donald trump say to you? he said — mother. what did donald trump say to you? he said thank— mother. what did donald trump say to you? he said thank you _ mother. what did donald trump say to you? he said thank you for _ mother. what did donald trump say to you? he said thank you for your- you? he said thank you for your su ort you? he said thank you for your support and _ you? he said thank you for your support and i — you? he said thank you for your support and i appreciate - you? he said thank you for your support and i appreciate your. support and i appreciate your support. and i will highlight those issues. in fact he tweeted after a conversation about the fact that so many kids enter the world today without a father in the home married to the mother and he has a very strong former secretary of education. so he said he would highlight those issues going forward. ~ . ., highlight those issues going forward. . . ,, , forward. well thank you, it is quite noisy there. _ forward. well thank you, it is quite noisy there, enjoy _ forward. well thank you, it is quite noisy there, enjoy yourself - forward. well thank you, it is quite noisy there, enjoy yourself and i noisy there, enjoy yourself and thank you very much for coming on the programme. let's bring nick, freddy, and liam back in.

what do you make of those comments byjd vance, first the islamist issue in britain. did you take it as a joke? issue in britain. did you take it as a “oke? ~ . . , issue in britain. did you take it as a “oke? . . . , . , a joke? well he did laugh as he was sa in: it a joke? well he did laugh as he was saying it was _ a joke? well he did laugh as he was saying it was chichester _ a joke? well he did laugh as he was saying it was chichester it _ a joke? well he did laugh as he was saying it was chichester it was i a joke? well he did laugh as he was saying it was chichester it was a i saying it was chichester it was a bit of a joke. of say not very diplomatically sensitive. i mean, it also shows a slight ignorance i think of what is going on in british politics because of course an independent probe gaza muslim candidates were a problem for labour in the next election. so it shows a lack of depth of understanding but i do think we should not read too much into it. it was clearly a bit of a 939 into it. it was clearly a bit of a gag at a conference. interesting that the strongest _ gag at a conference. interesting that the strongest combination | gag at a conference. interesting i that the strongest combination has come _ that the strongest combination has come from — that the strongest combination has come from the conservative party, andrew _ come from the conservative party, andrew bally who is the shadow veterans— andrew bally who is the shadow veterans minister talking about how labour _ veterans minister talking about how labour is _ veterans minister talking about how labour is absolutely not creating an islamist _ labour is absolutely not creating an islamist country and he said i believe — islamist country and he said i believe that this is offensive to my colleagues in the labour party.

government ministers being much more clear, _ government ministers being much more clear, angela rayner saying i do not recognise _ clear, angela rayner saying i do not recognise this. and saying that donald — recognise this. and saying that donald trunk was bound to choose a controversial candidate. of donald trunk was bound to choose a controversial candidate.— controversial candidate. of course those comments _ controversial candidate. of course those comments are _ controversial candidate. of course those comments are apparent i controversial candidate. of course those comments are apparent butj those comments are apparent but they're preparing for what they expect to be a donald trump presidency and it may be unpalatable but they are trying to find ways to main fences. david lammy has been pressing the flesh. but personally i would want my ministers to be cutting out that kind of language. i just want someone who calls out divisive rhetoric. and that is probably why i'm not a politician! quite a hilarious performance by david _ quite a hilarious performance by david lammy sounding some, sounding so warm _ david lammy sounding some, sounding so warm towards them because not so lon- so warm towards them because not so long ago— so warm towards them because not so long ago he _ so warm towards them because not so long ago he did call donald trump a kkk sympathiser.—

long ago he did call donald trump a kkk sympathiser. people do change ruite kkk sympathiser. people do change quite quickly- _ kkk sympathiser. people do change quite quickly. david _ kkk sympathiser. people do change quite quickly. david lammy- kkk sympathiser. people do change quite quickly. david lammy has i kkk sympathiser. people do change j quite quickly. david lammy has met jd vance many _ quite quickly. david lammy has met jd vance many times. _ quite quickly. david lammy has met jd vance many times. what - quite quickly. david lammy has met jd vance many times. what was i quite quickly. david lammy has met| jd vance many times. what was said about ukraine is interesting because much more recently in the vote in congress jd vance voted much more recently in the vote in congressjd vance voted against much more recently in the vote in congress jd vance voted against the $60 billion aid congressjd vance voted against the $60 billion aid package to ukraine and said it was a bad idea. but there is no one true is because donald trump gave the say—so to mike johnson the speak of the house of representatives. and very interesting, in a meeting boris johnson had with donald trump which was meant to last 30 minutes lasted almost an hour and he said we discussed ukraine at length and i know that donald trump will give a strong and decisive leadership necessary to protect democracy against aggression. so borisjohnson clearly thinks that donald trump is on his side. fiend clearly thinks that donald trump is on his side-— on his side. and 'ust move to something h on his side. and 'ust move to something else,_ on his side. and just move to something else, to _ on his side. and just move to something else, to former i on his side. and just move to l something else, to former tory on his side. and just move to - something else, to former tory prime minister scott borisjohnson was

there with donald trump and then