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that information has been shooting? that information has been assed to shooting? that information has been passed to us — shooting? that information has been passed to us from _ shooting? that information has been passed to us from the _ shooting? that information has been passed to us from the fbi. _ shooting? that information has been passed to us from the fbi. how - shooting? that information has been| passed to us from the fbi. how many secret service — passed to us from the fbi. how many secret service agents _ passed to us from the fbi. how many secret service agents were _ passed to us from the fbi. how many secret service agents were assigned l secret service agents were assigned to president trump on the day of the raleigh? i’m to president trump on the day of the raleiuh? �* ., ., ., ., raleigh? i'm not going to get into the specifics _ raleigh? i'm not going to get into the specifics of _ raleigh? i'm not going to get into the specifics of the _ raleigh? i'm not going to get into the specifics of the number- raleigh? i'm not going to get into the specifics of the number of - the specifics of the number of personnel— the specifics of the number of personnel that _ the specifics of the number of personnel that we _ the specifics of the number of personnel that we had - the specifics of the number of personnel that we had there, | the specifics of the number of. personnel that we had there, but the specifics of the number of- personnel that we had there, but we feel there _ personnel that we had there, but we feel there was — personnel that we had there, but we feel there was a _ personnel that we had there, but we feel there was a sufficient _ personnel that we had there, but we feel there was a sufficient number. feel there was a sufficient number of agents — feel there was a sufficient number of agents assigned. _ feel there was a sufficient number of agents assigned.— of agents assigned. there are re orts of agents assigned. there are reports that — of agents assigned. there are reports that several _ of agents assigned. there are reports that several agents i of agents assigned. there are - reports that several agents assigned to the rally were temporary ages, agents not normally assigned to president trump. is agents not normally assigned to president trump.— agents not normally assigned to president trump. is that accurate? what i can tell _ president trump. is that accurate? what i can tell you _ president trump. is that accurate? what i can tell you is _ president trump. is that accurate? what i can tell you is that - president trump. is that accurate? what i can tell you is that the - what i can tell you is that the agents — what i can tell you is that the agents who— what i can tell you is that the agents who were _ what i can tell you is that the agents who were assigned . what i can tell you is that the agents who were assigned to| what i can tell you is that the - agents who were assigned to former president _ agents who were assigned to former president trump _ agents who were assigned to former president trump are _ agents who were assigned to former president trump are secret - agents who were assigned to former president trump are secret service. president trump are secret service agents _ president trump are secret service agents that— president trump are secret service agents that provide _ president trump are secret service agents that provide close - president trump are secret servicel agents that provide close protection to him _ agents that provide close protection to him and — agents that provide close protection to him and that— agents that provide close protection to him and that was _ agents that provide close protection to him and that was actual- agents that provide close protection to him and that was actual on - agents that provide close protection to him and that was actual on that l to him and that was actual on that day. to him and that was actual on that dav how— to him and that was actual on that day. how many— to him and that was actual on that day. how many on— to him and that was actual on that day. how many on that _ to him and that was actual on that day. how many on that day? - to him and that was actual on that| day. how many on that day? quite frequently— day. how many on that day? quite frequently during _ day. how many on that day? quite frequently during campaign - day. how many on that day? quite i frequently during campaign events, so, the _ frequently during campaign events, so, the service _ frequently during campaign events, so, the service utilises— frequently during campaign events, so, the service utilises agents- frequently during campaign events, so, the service utilises agents fromi so, the service utilises agents from hsi or— so, the service utilises agents from hsi or homeland _ so, the service utilises agents from hsi or homeland security— so, the service utilises agents from hsi or homeland security to - hsi or homeland security to suaptement_ hsi or homeland security to supplement our— hsi or homeland security to supplement our plan. - hsi or homeland security to supplement our plan. had. hsi or homeland security to supplement our plan. had the investigators _ supplement our plan. had the investigators reconstructed i supplement our plan. had the l
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investigators reconstructed the shooter's precise movements over the past days, weeks and months? sir, again... we need to have confidence that in this investigation that they are leading a credible investigation because there are some of us sitting appeared today who don't have a lot of confidence. i will repeat the question. have the investigators reconstructed the shooter's precise movements over the past weeks, days and months. i movements over the past weeks, days and months-— and months. i share your concerns about how — and months. i share your concerns about how wanting _ and months. i share your concerns about how wanting to _ and months. i share your concerns about how wanting to have - and months. i share your concerns about how wanting to have actuall about how wanting to have actual information _ about how wanting to have actual information. the _ about how wanting to have actual information. the fbi _ about how wanting to have actual information. the fbi is— about how wanting to have actuali information. the fbi is conducting about how wanting to have actual. information. the fbi is conducting a criminai— information. the fbi is conducting a criminal investigation, _ information. the fbi is conducting a criminal investigation, the - information. the fbi is conducting a criminal investigation, the secret i criminal investigation, the secret service _ criminal investigation, the secret service is— criminal investigation, the secret service is conducting _ criminal investigation, the secret service is conducting an - criminal investigation, the secret service is conducting an internall service is conducting an internal investigation, _ service is conducting an internal investigation, there _ service is conducting an internal investigation, there are - service is conducting an internal investigation, there are a - service is conducting an internal. investigation, there are a number service is conducting an internal- investigation, there are a number of l i g investigations— investigation, there are a number of l i g investigations and _ investigation, there are a number of l i g investigations and the - l i g investigations and the externai— l i g investigations and the external investigation. i l i g investigations and the| external investigation. last . uestion external investigation. last question for _ external investigation. last question for me. _ external investigation. last question for me. before i external investigation.- question for me. before july external investigation— question for me. before july 13, has question for me. beforejuly13, has the trump detail requested additional resources?- the trump detail requested additional resources? what i can tell ou additional resources? what i can tell you is _ additional resources? what i can tell you is that _ additional resources? what i can tell you is that for _ additional resources? what i can tell you is that for the _ additional resources? what i can tell you is that for the event i additional resources? what i can tell you is that for the event on i tell you is that for the event on july 13. — tell you is that for the event on july 13. the _ tell you is that for the event on july 13, the details— tell you is that for the event on july 13, the details —— - tell you is that for the event on july 13, the details —— make i tell you is that for the event on| july 13, the details —— make the
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assets — july 13, the details —— make the assets that— july 13, the details —— make the assets that were _ july 13, the details —— make the assets that were requested i july 13, the details —— make the assets that were requested forl july 13, the details —— make the i assets that were requested for that day were _ assets that were requested for that day were given _ assets that were requested for that day were given hig— assets that were requested for that day were given-— assets that were requested for that day were given. my time has expired, chairman i day were given. my time has expired, chairman i now _ day were given. my time has expired, chairman i now expire _ day were given. my time has expired, chairman i now expire for _ day were given. my time has expired, chairman i now expire for five - chairman i now expire for five minutes. ., ~ chairman i now expire for five minutes-— chairman i now expire for five minutes. ., ,, , ., ., , , minutes. thank you. it has been re orted minutes. thank you. it has been reported that — minutes. thank you. it has been reported that before _ minutes. thank you. it has been reported that before president l minutes. thank you. it has been i reported that before president trump -ot reported that before president trump got up _ reported that before president trump got up on _ reported that before president trump got up on the stage at around 6pm on saturday. _ got up on the stage at around 6pm on saturday, july 13, the local police had identified and even photographed a nran— had identified and even photographed a man who _ had identified and even photographed a man who was acting suspiciously and this— a man who was acting suspiciously and this man turned out to be the gunmen— and this man turned out to be the gunmen had been flagged as a potential threat. gunmen had been flagged as a potentialthreat. is gunmen had been flagged as a potential threat.— gunmen had been flagged as a potential threat. is that accurate? what i can potential threat. is that accurate? what i can say _ potential threat. is that accurate? what i can say is _ potential threat. is that accurate? what i can say is that _ potential threat. is that accurate? what i can say is that the - what i can say is that the individual— what i can say is that the individual was _ what i can say is that the individual was identified. what i can say is that the i individual was identified as suspicious _ individual was identified as suspicious. so _ individual was identified as suspicious.— individual was identified as susicious. ,, ., ., , suspicious. so he was known to be susicious suspicious. so he was known to be suspicious before _ suspicious. so he was known to be suspicious before former- suspicious. so he was known to be| suspicious before former president trump _ suspicious before former president trump took the stage? that is the information i have received. why was he allowed _ information i have received. why was he allowed to take the stage with a suspicious— he allowed to take the stage with a suspicious person having been identified? | suspicious person having been identified?— identified? i appreciate the question. _ identified? i appreciate the question, sir, _ identified? i appreciate the question, sir, and - identified? i appreciate the question, sir, and i- identified? i appreciate the question, sir, and i would i identified? i appreciate the i question, sir, and i would like to make _ question, sir, and i would like to make two— question, sir, and i would like to make two points. _ question, sir, and i would like to make two points. if— question, sir, and i would like to make two points. if the - question, sir, and i would like to make two points. if the detail. question, sir, and i would like to| make two points. if the detail had been _ make two points. if the detail had been passed — make two points. if the detail had been passed information - make two points. if the detail had been passed information that i
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make two points. if the detail had. been passed information that there was a _ been passed information that there was a threat, — been passed information that there was a threat, the _ been passed information that there was a threat, the detail— been passed information that there was a threat, the detail would i been passed information that there i was a threat, the detail would never have brought — was a threat, the detail would never have brought the _ was a threat, the detail would never have brought the former— was a threat, the detail would never have brought the former president i have brought the former president out onto— have brought the former president out onto stage _ have brought the former president out onto stage. that _ have brought the former president out onto stage. that is _ have brought the former president out onto stage. that is what - have brought the former president out onto stage. that is what we i have brought the former presidenti out onto stage. that is what we do and that— out onto stage. that is what we do and that is— out onto stage. that is what we do and that is who _ out onto stage. that is what we do and that is who we _ out onto stage. that is what we do and that is who we are, _ out onto stage. that is what we do and that is who we are, we - out onto stage. that is what we do and that is who we are, we are i out onto stage. that is what we do and that is who we are, we are in i and that is who we are, we are in charge— and that is who we are, we are in charge of— and that is who we are, we are in charge of protecting _ and that is who we are, we are in charge of protecting all— and that is who we are, we are in charge of protecting all of- and that is who we are, we are in charge of protecting all of our. charge of protecting all of our protect— charge of protecting all of our protect teas~ _ charge of protecting all of our protect teas-— protect teas. you distinguish between someone _ protect teas. you distinguish between someone who i protect teas. you distinguish between someone who is i protect teas. you distinguish - between someone who is suspicious and someone who is threatening, is a right? _ and someone who is threatening, is a riuht? and someone who is threatening, is a ri . ht? ., and someone who is threatening, is a riuht? . ., , ., , right? there are a number of times at protector — right? there are a number of times at protector events _ right? there are a number of times at protector events were _ right? there are a number of times at protector events were suspicious people _ at protector events were suspicious people are — at protector events were suspicious people are identified _ at protector events were suspicious people are identified and _ at protector events were suspicious people are identified and those i people are identified and those individuals— people are identified and those individuals have _ people are identified and those individuals have to _ people are identified and those individuals have to be - people are identified and those i individuals have to be investigated and determined _ individuals have to be investigated and determined what _ individuals have to be investigated and determined what is— individuals have to be investigated and determined what is it - individuals have to be investigated and determined what is it that- and determined what is it that identifies— and determined what is it that identifies a _ and determined what is it that identifies a person _ and determined what is it thati identifies a person suspicious. and determined what is it that- identifies a person suspicious. did ou identifies a person suspicious. you deny a request for additional resources — you deny a request for additional resources that had been made by the trump _ resources that had been made by the trump campaign?— resources that had been made by the trump campaign? there were no assets denied for that — trump campaign? there were no assets denied for that event _ trump campaign? there were no assets denied for that event in _ trump campaign? there were no assets denied for that event in butler - trump campaign? there were no assets denied for that event in butler on i denied for that event in butler on the 13th — denied for that event in butler on the 13th so— denied for that event in butler on the 13th. i. �* denied for that event in butler on the 13th. _, �* ,_ denied for that event in butler on the 13th. �* the 13th. so you're saying there was a reauest the 13th. so you're saying there was a request made _ the 13th. so you're saying there was a request made for— the 13th. so you're saying there was a request made for additional- a request made for additional assistance at other events rather than _ assistance at other events rather than the — assistance at other events rather than the campaign as a whole, is that right? — than the campaign as a whole, is that right? i am sorry, i'm not understanding. you seem so there was not additional resources requested for that— not additional resources requested for that event and forgiven for being —
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for that event and forgiven for being unfamiliar with this but is it requested — being unfamiliar with this but is it requested an event or is it requested an event or is it requested in general for the campaign? ifi requested in general for the campaign?— requested in general for the camaiun? ,., campaign? if i can explain the advanced _ campaign? if i can explain the advanced process. _ campaign? if i can explain the advanced process. when i campaign? if i can explain the advanced process. when an i campaign? if i can explain the i advanced process. when an event or venue _ advanced process. when an event or venue is— advanced process. when an event or venue is identified _ advanced process. when an event or venue is identified by— advanced process. when an event or venue is identified by a _ advanced process. when an event or venue is identified by a police - venue is identified by a police campaign _ venue is identified by a police campaign att— venue is identified by a police campaign all staff, _ venue is identified by a police campaign all staff, then - venue is identified by a police campaign all staff, then the l campaign all staff, then the campaign _ campaign all staff, then the campaign staff— campaign all staff, then the campaign staff works - campaign all staff, then the i campaign staff works together campaign all staff, then the - campaign staff works together with the secret — campaign staff works together with the secret service _ campaign staff works together with the secret service agent _ campaign staff works together with the secret service agent who - campaign staff works together with l the secret service agent who conduct an advance, — the secret service agent who conduct an advance, that _ the secret service agent who conduct an advance, that is _ the secret service agent who conduct an advance, that is generally- the secret service agent who conduct an advance, that is generally a - the secret service agent who conduct an advance, that is generally a five i an advance, that is generally a five day time _ an advance, that is generally a five daytime period _ an advance, that is generally a five day time period where _ an advance, that is generally a five day time period where those - day time period where those discussions _ day time period where those discussions are _ day time period where those discussions are hard - day time period where those discussions are hard about l day time period where those i discussions are hard about what day time period where those - discussions are hard about what the perimeter— discussions are hard about what the perimeter witt— discussions are hard about what the perimeter will look— discussions are hard about what the perimeter will look like, _ discussions are hard about what the perimeter will look like, what - discussions are hard about what the perimeter will look like, what the i perimeter will look like, what the size of— perimeter will look like, what the size of the — perimeter will look like, what the size of the event _ perimeter will look like, what the size of the event is, _ perimeter will look like, what the size of the event is, what- perimeter will look like, what the size of the event is, what the i perimeter will look like, what the i size of the event is, what the venue is. size of the event is, what the venue is from _ size of the event is, what the venue is from there — size of the event is, what the venue is. from there there _ size of the event is, what the venue is. from there there is _ size of the event is, what the venue is. from there there is a _ size of the event is, what the venue is. from there there is a request. is. from there there is a request made _ is. from there there is a request made to— is. from there there is a request made to mitigate _ is. from there there is a request made to mitigate potential- is. from there there is a request made to mitigate potential risk i is. from there there is a request. made to mitigate potential risk and threat _ made to mitigate potential risk and threat i'm — made to mitigate potential risk and threat i'm saying _ made to mitigate potential risk and threat. i'm saying that _ made to mitigate potential risk and threat. i'm saying that on - made to mitigate potential risk and threat. i'm saying that on that i made to mitigate potential risk and threat. i'm saying that on that dayl threat. i'm saying that on that day the requests — threat. i'm saying that on that day the requests that _ threat. i'm saying that on that day the requests that would _ threat. i'm saying that on that day the requests that would push - threat. i'm saying that on that day. the requests that would push forward were granted — the requests that would push forward were granted~ 50— the requests that would push forward were granted-— were granted. so the secret service did not know _ were granted. so the secret service did not know that _ were granted. so the secret service did not know that the _ were granted. so the secret service did not know that the gunmen - were granted. so the secret service did not know that the gunmen had i were granted. so the secret service | did not know that the gunmen had a weapon— did not know that the gunmen had a weapon before president trump was allowed _ weapon before president trump was allowed to— weapon before president trump was allowed to get up on stage? to weapon before president trump was allowed to get up on stage?- allowed to get up on stage? to the best of our— allowed to get up on stage? to the best of our knowledge _ allowed to get up on stage? to the best of our knowledge and - allowed to get up on stage? to the best of our knowledge and the - allowed to get up on stage? to the best of our knowledge and the fact| best of our knowledge and the fact that we _ best of our knowledge and the fact that we have — best of our knowledge and the fact that we have at _ best of our knowledge and the fact that we have at this _ best of our knowledge and the fact that we have at this point, - best of our knowledge and the fact that we have at this point, that - best of our knowledge and the fact that we have at this point, that is. that we have at this point, that is correct _ that we have at this point, that is correct. . , ., . , , correct. can you answer this question _ correct. can you answer this question which _ correct. can you answer this question which i _ correct. can you answer this question which i think - correct. can you answer this question which i think is - correct. can you answer this
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question which i think is on | correct. can you answer this i question which i think is on the mind _ question which i think is on the mind of— question which i think is on the mind of most americans thinking about— mind of most americans thinking about this, — mind of most americans thinking about this, how can a 20—year—old with his _ about this, how can a 20—year—old with his father's ar 15 assault weapon— with his father's ar 15 assault weapon climb onto a roof with a 150 yard line _ weapon climb onto a roof with a 150 yard line of— weapon climb onto a roof with a 150 yard line of sight to the speaker podium — yard line of sight to the speaker podium without the secret service or local police _ podium without the secret service or local police stopping him? again podium without the secret service or local police stopping him?— local police stopping him? again so, i will sa local police stopping him? again so, i will say we — local police stopping him? again so, i will say we are _ local police stopping him? again so, i will say we are nine _ local police stopping him? again so, i will say we are nine days _ local police stopping him? again so, i will say we are nine days from - i will say we are nine days from this event— i will say we are nine days from this event and _ i will say we are nine days from this event and i— i will say we are nine days from this event and i would - i will say we are nine days from this event and i would like - i will say we are nine days from this event and i would like to l i will say we are nine days from i this event and i would like to know those _ this event and i would like to know those ahswers _ this event and i would like to know those answers as _ this event and i would like to know those answers as well _ this event and i would like to know those answers as well which - this event and i would like to know those answers as well which is - this event and i would like to knowi those answers as well which is why we are _ those answers as well which is why we are going — those answers as well which is why we are going through— those answers as well which is why we are going through these - we are going through these investigations— we are going through these investigations to _ we are going through these investigations to be - we are going through these investigations to be able i we are going through these investigations to be able toi investigations to be able to determine _ investigations to be able to determine that— investigations to be able to determine that fully. - investigations to be able to determine that fully. 0k, l investigations to be able to determine that fully. 0k, it has been reported _ determine that fully. 0k, it has been reported that _ determine that fully. 0k, it has been reported that the - determine that fully. 0k, it has been reported that the shooter| determine that fully. 0k, it has - been reported that the shooter was not carrying a driver's license or any form — not carrying a driver's license or any form of _ not carrying a driver's license or any form of identification. they had no idea _ any form of identification. they had no idea who — any form of identification. they had no idea who he was but then he was quickly— no idea who he was but then he was quickly identified, i think it was in 30 _ quickly identified, i think it was in 30 minutes, by using the serial number— in 30 minutes, by using the serial number on — in 30 minutes, by using the serial number on the ar 15 under a tracing system _ number on the ar 15 under a tracing system that— number on the ar 15 under a tracing system that is now controversial in some _ system that is now controversial in some people say we should get rid of it and _ some people say we should get rid of it and some _ some people say we should get rid of it and some people want to keep it. is it it and some people want to keep it. is it right— it and some people want to keep it. is it right that the serial number
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was the — is it right that the serial number was the key information which led to the identification of the shooter? that is— the identification of the shooter? that is my— the identification of the shooter? that is my understanding, sir, yes. 0k. that is my understanding, sir, yes. ok if_ that is my understanding, sir, yes. ok if an _ that is my understanding, sir, yes. ok. if an american _ that is my understanding, sir, yes. ok. if an american scissors - that is my understanding, sir, yes. ok. if an american scissors then i that is my understanding, sir, yes. i ok. if an american scissors then was to stop _ 0k. if an american scissors then was to stop it— ok. if an american scissors then was to stop it and — ok. if an american scissors then was to stop it and say, director cheatle. _ to stop it and say, director cheatle, we support your work putting — cheatle, we support your work putting in _ cheatle, we support your work putting in dollars and thousands and thousands— putting in dollars and thousands and thousands of employees, what went wrong? _ thousands of employees, what went wron: ? ~ . ., thousands of employees, what went wronu? . ., thousands of employees, what went wron.? . ., ., thousands of employees, what went wron.?~ ., ., �* ., wrong? what would you say? again, knowin: wrong? what would you say? again, knowing that — wrong? what would you say? again, knowing that we _ wrong? what would you say? again, knowing that we are _ wrong? what would you say? again, knowing that we are nine _ wrong? what would you say? again, knowing that we are nine days i wrong? what would you say? again, knowing that we are nine days out, i i knowing that we are nine days out, i would _ knowing that we are nine days out, i would say _ knowing that we are nine days out, i would say is — knowing that we are nine days out, i would say is i — knowing that we are nine days out, i would say is i have _ knowing that we are nine days out, i would say is i have said _ knowing that we are nine days out, i would say is i have said from - knowing that we are nine days out, i would say is i have said from the i would say is i have said from the very— would say is i have said from the very outset, _ would say is i have said from the very outset, i_ would say is i have said from the very outset, i accept _ would say is i have said from the i very outset, i accept responsibility for this— very outset, i accept responsibility for this tragedy, _ very outset, i accept responsibility for this tragedy, we _ very outset, i accept responsibility for this tragedy, we are _ very outset, i accept responsibility for this tragedy, we are going i very outset, i accept responsibility for this tragedy, we are going to l for this tragedy, we are going to look into— for this tragedy, we are going to look into how— for this tragedy, we are going to look into how this _ for this tragedy, we are going to look into how this happened i for this tragedy, we are going to look into how this happened and for this tragedy, we are going to i look into how this happened and we are going _ look into how this happened and we are going to— look into how this happened and we are going to take _ look into how this happened and we are going to take corrective - look into how this happened and we are going to take corrective action l are going to take corrective action to ensure — are going to take corrective action to ensure that _ are going to take corrective action to ensure that it _ are going to take corrective action to ensure that it never _ are going to take corrective action to ensure that it never happens i to ensure that it never happens again — to ensure that it never happens aaain. ~ to ensure that it never happens auain.~ . ,, .., to ensure that it never happens auain.~ . ,, .. ., to ensure that it never happens auain.~ . ,, .. . . again. well, i appreciate that and i ho -e ou again. well, i appreciate that and i hope you will— again. well, i appreciate that and i hope you will act — again. well, i appreciate that and i hope you will act with _ again. well, i appreciate that and i hope you will act with vigour, i again. well, i appreciate that and i | hope you will act with vigour, focus and intensity. it seems that you understand the gravity of the american people. millions and nrillions— american people. millions and millions of americans do not feel safe of— millions of americans do not feel safe of all— millions of americans do not feel safe of all of the ar15 out there,
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we thought that the former president of the _ we thought that the former president of the united states would be safe, but clearly — of the united states would be safe, but clearly that is not the case. thank — but clearly that is not the case. thank you _ but clearly that is not the case. thank you mr chairman. would the guest in our line, the day after president trump was shot, secret service spokesman anthony said" the assertion that the former president team requested additional resources that the us secret service department rebirth is absolutely false." the next day it was there thatis false." the next day it was there that is an unequivocally false assertion, we have not received any request for additional mess two two messages that were rebuffed. they were requested from donald trump's personnel. the next day, the new york times at this, mr trump acknowledged that the secret service had turned down some requests for additional assets for mr trump is my
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detail. 50 which is a? because both statements can't be true. were you guessing online when you said that you didn't turn down a request from president trump is my detail? neither, sir. and i appreciate the question. well, what were you doing because those steep bully statements don't lie. ~ . u. because those steep bully statements don't lie. ~ . .. i, because those steep bully statements don't lie. . . , don't lie. what i can tell you is that there _ don't lie. what i can tell you is that there was _ don't lie. what i can tell you is that there was no _ don't lie. what i can tell you is that there was no requests i don't lie. what i can tell you is that there was no requests in l don't lie. what i can tell you is i that there was no requests in set that there was no requests in set that was— that there was no requests in set that was denied. _ that there was no requests in set that was denied.— that was denied. maybe they got tired of asking. _ that was denied. maybe they got tired of asking. maybe _ that was denied. maybe they got tired of asking. maybe you i that was denied. maybe they got| tired of asking. maybe you turned them _ tired of asking. maybe you turned them down so much that it wasn't worth— them down so much that it wasn't worth asking. | them down so much that it wasn't worth asking-— worth asking. i think that it is important _ worth asking. i think that it is important to _ worth asking. i think that it is important to distinguish i worth asking. i think that it is i important to distinguish between what some — important to distinguish between what some people _ important to distinguish between what some people may— important to distinguish between what some people may view- important to distinguish between what some people may view as l important to distinguish between what some people may view as a i what some people may view as a denial— what some people may view as a denial of— what some people may view as a denial of an— what some people may view as a denial of an asset _ what some people may view as a denial of an asset to _ what some people may view as a denial of an asset to a _ what some people may view as a i denial of an asset to a request... why— denial of an asset to a request... why was— denial of an asset to a request... why was this _ denial of an asset to a request... why was this manual _ denial of an asset to a request... . why was this manual spokesperson chris mckee said that he acknowledged the secret service had turned down some request. i’m acknowledged the secret service had turned down some request. i'm asking how man . turned down some request. i'm asking how many- a — turned down some request. i'm asking how many. a denial— turned down some request. i'm asking how many. a denial of— turned down some request. i'm asking how many. a denial of a _ turned down some request. i'm asking how many. a denial of a request i turned down some request. i'm asking how many. a denial of a request is i how many. a denial of a request is not equal— how many. a denial of a request is not equal of— how many. a denial of a request is not equal of the _ how many. a denial of a request is not equal of the vulnerability. i how many. a denial of a request is not equal of the vulnerability. tell| not equal of the vulnerability. tell me what— not equal of the vulnerability. tell me what is — not equal of the vulnerability. tell me what is. there _ not equal of the vulnerability. tell me what is. there are _ not equal of the vulnerability. tell me what is. there are a _ not equal of the vulnerability. tell me what is. there are a number. not equal of the vulnerability. tell| me what is. there are a number of ways— me what is. there are a number of ways that — me what is. there are a number of ways that threats _ me what is. there are a number of
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ways that threats and _ me what is. there are a number of ways that threats and risks - me what is. there are a number of ways that threats and risks can i me what is. there are a number of ways that threats and risks can be| ways that threats and risks can be mitigated — ways that threats and risks can be mitigated with _ ways that threats and risks can be mitigated with a _ ways that threats and risks can be mitigated with a number- ways that threats and risks can be mitigated with a number of - ways that threats and risks can be i mitigated with a number of different assets~ _ mitigated with a number of different assets. whether— mitigated with a number of different assets. whether that— mitigated with a number of different assets. whether that be _ mitigated with a number of different assets. whether that be through i assets. whether that be through personnel, — assets. whether that be through personnel, technology _ assets. whether that be through personnel, technology or- assets. whether that be through personnel, technology or other i personnel, technology or other resources _ personnel, technology or other resources-_ personnel, technology or other resources. . ., . resources. tell the committee which it was. resources. tell the committee which it was- they — resources. tell the committee which it was. they asked _ resources. tell the committee which it was. they asked for _ resources. tell the committee which it was. they asked for additional - it was. they asked for additional help in some form or another and you told them no. how many times did you tell them they are and what did you tell them they are and what did you tell them they are and what did you tell them no to?— tell them no to? again, i cannot seak to tell them no to? again, i cannot speak to specific _ tell them no to? again, i cannot speak to specific incidents, - tell them no to? again, i cannot speak to specific incidents, but l tell them no to? again, i cannot speak to specific incidents, but i can tell— speak to specific incidents, but i can tell you _ speak to specific incidents, but i can tell you in_ speak to specific incidents, but i can tell you in general— speak to specific incidents, but i can tell you in general terms, i speak to specific incidents, but i. can tell you in general terms, the secret_ can tell you in general terms, the secret service _ can tell you in general terms, the secret service is _ can tell you in general terms, the secret service is judicious - can tell you in general terms, the secret service is judicious with i secret service is judicious with their_ secret service is judicious with their resources— secret service is judicious with their resources based - secret service is judicious with their resources based on... i secret service is judicious with . their resources based on... what secret service is judicious with their resources based on... what is summer press? _ their resources based on... what is summer press? kami _ their resources based on... what is summer press? kami times? - their resources based on... what is summer press? kami times? suml summer press? kami times? sum indicates that more than once i asked for additional help and you turned them down. what did they ask for unhappy times was at hand and? pretty basic questions. again, without— pretty basic questions. again, without having _ pretty basic questions. again, without having all— pretty basic questions. again, without having all of - pretty basic questions. again, without having all of the - pretty basic questions. again, i without having all of the details pretty basic questions. again, - without having all of the details in front of— without having all of the details in front of me. — without having all of the details in front of me, so, _ without having all of the details in front of me, so, what _ without having all of the details in front of me, so, what i _ without having all of the details in front of me, so, what i can- without having all of the details in front of me, so, what i can tell. without having all of the details inl front of me, so, what i can tell you is that _ front of me, so, what i can tell you is that... . ,, ., is that... can you tell me how the times down _ is that... can you tell me how the times down the _ is that... can you tell me how the times down the track _ is that... can you tell me how the times down the track detail? - is that... can you tell me how the times down the track detail? you | times down the track detail? you didn't get a great he came to this hearing knowing you would be asked this question? what hearing knowing you would be asked this question?—
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this question? what i can tell you is in generic— this question? what i can tell you is in generic terms, _ this question? what i can tell you is in generic terms, when - this question? what i can tell you is in generic terms, when details| is in generic terms, when details make _ is in generic terms, when details make a _ is in generic terms, when details make a request, _ is in generic terms, when details make a request, there _ is in generic terms, when details make a request, there are - is in generic terms, when details make a request, there are timesj is in generic terms, when details- make a request, there are times that there _ make a request, there are times that there are _ make a request, there are times that there are alternate _ make a request, there are times that there are alternate ways _ make a request, there are times that there are alternate ways to _ make a request, there are times that there are alternate ways to cover - there are alternate ways to cover off on _ there are alternate ways to cover off on that — there are alternate ways to cover off on that threat _ there are alternate ways to cover off on that threat or— there are alternate ways to cover off on that threat or that - there are alternate ways to cover off on that threat or that risk. - off on that threat or that risk. that— off on that threat or that risk. that is— off on that threat or that risk. that is not— off on that threat or that risk. that is not what _ off on that threat or that risk. that is not what was - off on that threat or that risk. that is not what was said, - off on that threat or that risk. that is not what was said, it i off on that threat or that risk. . that is not what was said, it says they were denied certain requests, some of us. this is your spokesperson, not me. this is your pattern. is it unequivocally false or by the way there was times that we did not give them a force of that is a huge change in five days and the fact you cannot answer how me times you did that, that is pretty darn frustrating, notjust times you did that, that is pretty darn frustrating, not just for me but for the country. i hear your frustration. let me ask this, where any of those request denied to president trump after you heard about the iranian threat? what president trump after you heard about the iranian threat?- president trump after you heard about the iranian threat? what i can tell ou, i about the iranian threat? what i can tell you. i don't _ about the iranian threat? what i can tell you, i don't know— about the iranian threat? what i can tell you, i don't know the _ tell you, i don't know the specifics, _ tell you, i don't know the specifics, but— tell you, i don't know the specifics, but there - tell you, i don't know the specifics, but there are l tell you, i don't know the - specifics, but there are times when we can_ specifics, but there are times when we can fill— specifics, but there are times when we can fill a — specifics, but there are times when we can fill a request. _ specifics, but there are times when we can fill a request. it— specifics, but there are times when we can fill a request. it doesn't- we can fill a request. it doesn't have _ we can fill a request. it doesn't have to — we can fill a request. it doesn't have to he _ we can fill a request. it doesn't have to be with _ we can fill a request. it doesn't have to be with a _ we can fill a request. it doesn't have to be with a secret - we can fill a request. it doesn'tl have to be with a secret service asset _ have to be with a secret service asset or — have to be with a secret service asset or resource, _ have to be with a secret service asset or resource, we _ have to be with a secret service asset or resource, we can - have to be with a secret service asset or resource, we can feel. have to be with a secret service i asset or resource, we can feel that request— asset or resource, we can feel that request with — asset or resource, we can feel that request with locally _ asset or resource, we can feel that request with locally available - request with locally available
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assets — request with locally available assets. . , request with locally available assets. , _ ., . . assets. used by someone at the white house isjuly — assets. used by someone at the white house isjuly 30? _ assets. used by someone at the white house is july 30? yes. _ assets. used by someone at the white house is july 30? yes. who? - assets. used by someone at the white house is july 30? yes. who? the - house isjuly 30? yes. who? the president and vice president. have you spoken to the first lady? fir you spoken to the first lady? 0r white house car medication? you spoken to the first lady? orl white house car medication? no, you spoken to the first lady? or i white house car medication? no, i have not had _ white house car medication? no, i have not had you _ white house car medication? no, i have not had you spoken _ white house car medication? no, i have not had you spoken to - white house car medication? have not had you spoken to the counter sniper who do chuck two yes, i have. . , ., , counter sniper who do chuck two yes, ihave. . , . counter sniper who do chuck two yes, i have. . i. , . ,., . i have. can you tell us about that conversation _ i have. can you tell us about that conversation i _ i have. can you tell us about that conversation i would _ i have. can you tell us about that conversation i would not - i have. can you tell us about that conversation i would not want . i have. can you tell us about that conversation i would not want to | conversation i would not want to reveal_ conversation i would not want to reveal conversations _ conversation i would not want to reveal conversations i've - conversation i would not want to reveal conversations i've had - conversation i would not want to. reveal conversations i've had with my employees _ reveal conversations i've had with my employees. but_ reveal conversations i've had with my employees-— reveal conversations i've had with my employees. but that is the kind of thin . my employees. but that is the kind of thing most _ my employees. but that is the kind of thing most american _ my employees. but that is the kind of thing most american people - my employees. but that is the kind | of thing most american people want to know. i understand, this is an ongoing investigation. who is doing the ongoing investigation of the secretive? is the ongoing investigation of the secretive? . . the ongoing investigation of the secretive? , . ., secretive? is an internal investigation? _ secretive? is an internal investigation? we - secretive? is an internal investigation? we are i secretive? is an internal - investigation? we are conducting secretive? is an internal _ investigation? we are conducting a mission _ investigation? we are conducting a mission insurance _ investigation? we are conducting a mission insurance investigation - investigation? we are conducting a| mission insurance investigation into family. _ mission insurance investigation into family. yes~ — mission insurance investigation into family. yes do— mission insurance investigation into family. yes-— family, yes. do you know what it looks like? _ family, yes. do you know what it looks like? u— family, yes. do you know what it looks like? it looks _ family, yes. do you know what it looks like? it looks like - family, yes. do you know what it looks like? it looks like you - family, yes. do you know what it looks like? it looks like you will| looks like? it looks like you will not answer some basic questions, you have a 9% raise and cut corners when it came to protecting one of the most important, well—known individuals on the planet. a former president and possibly next president, it looks at you guys are
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cutting corners. is president, it looks at you guys are cutting corners.— cutting corners. is that true? i am here today — cutting corners. is that true? i am here today because _ cutting corners. is that true? i am here today because i _ cutting corners. is that true? i am here today because i want - cutting corners. is that true? i am here today because i want to - cutting corners. is that true? i am i here today because i want to answer questions _ here today because i want to answer questions l— here today because i want to answer cuestions. . ,., . here today because i want to answer cuestions. . . ., , questions. i also want to be cautious... _ questions. i also want to be cautious... i— questions. i also want to be cautious... i don't - questions. i also want to be cautious... i don't think - questions. i also want to be cautious... i don't think you questions. i also want to be - cautious... i don't think you have answered one question from any chairman or member only. we have got a lot of people asking we will see if that improves. right now you have not answered any questions. thank ou, mr not answered any questions. thank you, mr chairman. _ not answered any questions. thank you, mr chairman. in _ not answered any questions. thank you, mr chairman. in the _ not answered any questions. thank you, mr chairman. in the summerl not answered any questions. thank. you, mr chairman. in the summer of 1953 as a law student i travel to the south to work in the civil rights movement. when i arrived in mississippi i was met by civil rights activist who showed me around and try to convince me to work that summer. i recall talking to him and his wife about the atmosphere, later that day he is me to the bus station for my assignment. that night he was assassinated outside his home. i
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condemn the political violence, it is a threat to democracy and i want to discuss one of the roots of political violence. to discuss one of the roots of politicalviolence. for to discuss one of the roots of political violence. for years, republicans including a member of this committee have introduced legislation and amendments through appeal through the distribution gone violence protection laws including assault weapons and large capacity magazines. the issue to add to the trump rally used the mass shooter's gun of choice, an assault specifically a ar15 style rifle and presumably a large capacity magazine, which is defined as a magazine, which is defined as a magazine that can hold more than ten bullets. the current dc law, dc does not recognise concealed, carry
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permits if you're part of the jurisdiction. but it does issue conceal, carry permits to both residents and nonresidents. however, dc imposes a number of requirements on conceal, carry applicants. that includes suitability, such as not having exhibited a propensity for violence or instability, moreover, dc residents restricts where the gun can be carried such as a political demonstration, nearthe can be carried such as a political demonstration, near the white house and in naples scilly the observatory. that provides the permit holder has been given notice. this week, the house is expected to consider the fiscal year 2025 financial services and general government appropriations. this republican drafted bill would allow
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an individual with a permit to carry an individual with a permit to carry a concealed handgun issued by a state or territory to carry a concealed handgun in dc regardless of that jurisdiction's concealed handgun in dc regardless of thatjurisdiction's permit requirements. a republican has filed an amendment to that provision to allow such an individual to carry a magazine of any size with that handgun. in short, the pending bill and amendment would allow any person with a carry, permit issue to carry a concealed handgun with a magazine of any size in any location in the district of columbia. the secret service is responsible for protecting a large number of people and facilities in dc. director
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cheatle, would secret service protect in dc safer or less safe if people who have exhibited a propensity for violence or instability could carry a concealed handgun in dc? i instability could carry a concealed handgun in dc?— handgun in dc? i think being a secret service _ handgun in dc? i think being a secret service agent _ handgun in dc? i think being a secret service agent and - handgun in dc? i think being a secret service agent and an i handgun in dc? i think being a - secret service agent and an officer, or a law— secret service agent and an officer, or a law enforcement _ secret service agent and an officer, or a law enforcement officer - secret service agent and an officer, or a law enforcement officer in - secret service agent and an officer, or a law enforcement officer in any| or a law enforcement officer in any state. _ or a law enforcement officer in any state. is _ or a law enforcement officer in any state, is difficult. _ or a law enforcement officer in any state, is difficult. they _ or a law enforcement officer in any state, is difficult. they are - state, is difficult. they are required _ state, is difficult. they are required to— state, is difficult. they are required to make - state, is difficult. they are| required to make decisions state, is difficult. they are - required to make decisions and snap judgments— required to make decisions and snap judqments in— required to make decisions and snap judqments in the _ required to make decisions and snap judgments in the blink _ required to make decisions and snap judgments in the blink of _ required to make decisions and snap judgments in the blink of an - required to make decisions and snap judgments in the blink of an eye - required to make decisions and snap judgments in the blink of an eye and ithink— judgments in the blink of an eye and i think the _ judgments in the blink of an eye and i think the offices _ judgments in the blink of an eye and i think the offices and _ judgments in the blink of an eye and i think the offices and agents - judgments in the blink of an eye and i think the offices and agents that i i think the offices and agents that work— i think the offices and agents that work in _ i think the offices and agents that work in the — i think the offices and agents that work in the dc_ i think the offices and agents that work in the dc area _ i think the offices and agents that work in the dc area do _ i think the offices and agents that work in the dc area do a - i think the offices and agents that work in the dc area do a great - i think the offices and agents that work in the dc area do a greatjob of monitoring _ work in the dc area do a greatjob of monitoring the _ work in the dc area do a greatjob of monitoring the public- work in the dc area do a greatjob of monitoring the public and - of monitoring the public and reactinq _ of monitoring the public and reacting to— of monitoring the public and reacting to threats - of monitoring the public and reacting to threats as - of monitoring the public and - reacting to threats as appropriate when _ reacting to threats as appropriate when they— reacting to threats as appropriate when they arise. _ reacting to threats as appropriate when they arise. will— reacting to threats as appropriate when they arise.— reacting to threats as appropriate when they arise. will secret service rotect when they arise. will secret service protect teas — when they arise. will secret service protect teas in _ when they arise. will secret service protect teas in dc _ when they arise. will secret service protect teas in dc be _ when they arise. will secret service protect teas in dc be safer - when they arise. will secret service
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protect teas in dc be safer or - when they arise. will secret service protect teas in dc be safer or less l protect teas in dc be safer or less safe if people are in dc can carry concealed handguns with large magazines? i concealed handguns with large magazines?— concealed handguns with large mauazines? ~ . ., ~ magazines? i think, ma'am, we work in parameters _ magazines? i think, ma'am, we work in parameters where _ magazines? i think, ma'am, we work in parameters where we _ magazines? i think, ma'am, we work in parameters where we travel - magazines? i think, ma'am, we work| in parameters where we travel around north— in parameters where we travel around north america — in parameters where we travel around north america and _ in parameters where we travel around north america and the _ in parameters where we travel around north america and the rules - in parameters where we travel around north america and the rules on - in parameters where we travel around north america and the rules on openi north america and the rules on open u-n north america and the rules on open gun and _ north america and the rules on open gun and conceal— north america and the rules on open gun and conceal and _ north america and the rules on open gun and conceal and carry— north america and the rules on open gun and conceal and carry our- north america and the rules on open gun and conceal and carry our open i gun and conceal and carry our open state _ gun and conceal and carry our open state and _ gun and conceal and carry our open state and it— gun and conceal and carry our open state and it is— gun and conceal and carry our open state and it is part _ gun and conceal and carry our open state and it is part of— gun and conceal and carry our open state and it is part of what - gun and conceal and carry our open state and it is part of what the - state and it is part of what the secret — state and it is part of what the secret service _ state and it is part of what the secret service takes _ state and it is part of what the secret service takes into - state and it is part of what the . secret service takes into account whether— secret service takes into account whether we — secret service takes into account whether we develop _ secret service takes into account whether we develop a _ secret service takes into account whether we develop a security i secret service takes into account i whether we develop a security plan. obviously. — whether we develop a security plan. obviously, anyone _ whether we develop a security plan. obviously, anyone who _ whether we develop a security plan. obviously, anyone who comes i whether we develop a security plan. obviously, anyone who comes into. whether we develop a security plan. i obviously, anyone who comes into our protected _ obviously, anyone who comes into our protected sites. — obviously, anyone who comes into our protected sites, we _ obviously, anyone who comes into our protected sites, we will— obviously, anyone who comes into our protected sites, we will establish- protected sites, we will establish support. — protected sites, we will establish support. middle— protected sites, we will establish support, middle protectors - protected sites, we will establish support, middle protectors in i protected sites, we will establishl support, middle protectors in that person— support, middle protectors in that person i_ support, middle protectors in that person i will— support, middle protectors in that person i will have _ support, middle protectors in that person i will have to _ support, middle protectors in that person i will have to process i person i will have to process through— person i will have to process through eliminating - person i will have to process through eliminating that i person i will have to process i through eliminating that potential we'll through eliminating that potential well secret — through eliminating that potential we'll secret service _ through eliminating that potential we'll secret service protect - through eliminating that potential we'll secret service protect ease i through eliminating that potential. we'll secret service protect ease be safer or _ we'll secret service protect ease be safer or less — we'll secret service protect ease be safer or less safe? _ we'll secret service protect ease be safer or less safe? i— we'll secret service protect ease be safer or less safe? i think— we'll secret service protect ease be safer or less safe? i think again, i safer or less safe? i think again, as i safer or less safe? i think again, as i stated. _ safer or less safe? i think again, as i stated, ma'am, _ safer or less safe? i think again, as i stated, ma'am, we - safer or less safe? i think again, as i stated, ma'am, we want- safer or less safe? i think again, as i stated, ma'am, we want to| as i stated, ma'am, we want to provide _ as i stated, ma'am, we want to provide a — as i stated, ma'am, we want to provide a safe _ as i stated, ma'am, we want to provide a safe environment- as i stated, ma'am, we want to provide a safe environment for| as i stated, ma'am, we want to . provide a safe environment for all of our— provide a safe environment for all
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of our protectees. _ provide a safe environment for all of our protectees.— of our protectees. direct to tutor, our of our protectees. direct to tutor, your opening _ of our protectees. direct to tutor, your opening statement - of our protectees. direct to tutor, your opening statement to - of our protectees. direct to tutor, your opening statement to the i of our protectees. direct to tutor, i your opening statement to the secret service instructed a security plan in pennsylvania, that security plan would also include the security footprint for the site but it would also be based upon a threat assessment all the risk threat associated with president trump. it would not include a threat assessment? yes, it would. with that, we know that a generalised threat because he candidate for president. then he goes to he is a former president and then you also have the heightened political environment. even for those, have the heightened political environment. even forthose, it have the heightened political environment. even for those, it is clear that the security footprint and the threat assessment was insufficient which prevented a 20 rod to actually enter and shoot donald trump. i want to ask you about two other threats of the threat assessment. it is known in
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public that i run is a threat risk for donald trump, as well as former secretary and donald trump because they have in they want to assassinate them as a result of retaliation. that is after he ran, a generalised threat, targeting these individuals, but also most recently a specific threat to donald trump himself. i want to enter onto the record that you see a department of justice public affairs release, an article from fox news and an article from cbs, all of which are acknowledged... that this threat exists for donald trump from iran and there are specific friends, most recently, that have been acknowledged. director cheatle, have you read journals of the internalised threat of their desire
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to retaliate? have you read all been briefed about the intelligence of the specific, recent threat to donald trump from orang? yes, i have. when we were given our briefing, director ray things that should have included this threat from iran. is it your test wednesday that the threat assessments that you have read for this intelligence will specific to protect him from this threat from iran? mr; specific to protect him from this threat from iran?— specific to protect him from this threat from iran? g , ., , ., threat from iran? my testimony today is that the information _ threat from iran? my testimony today is that the information that _ threat from iran? my testimony today is that the information that we - threat from iran? my testimony today is that the information that we had i is that the information that we had at the _ is that the information that we had at the time — is that the information that we had at the time was _ is that the information that we had at the time was known... - is that the information that we had at the time was known... was- at the time was known... was insufficient? _ at the time was known... was insufficient? was _ at the time was known... was insufficient? was it _ at the time was known... was insufficient? was it with - at the time was known... insufficient? was it with fish at the time was known...“ insufficient? was it with fish in you said you had intelligence briefings for this threat from iran? this information was passed to... why only asking the bureaucratic debut of who this happened because i was at efficient? yes.
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debut of who this happened because i was at efficient?— was at efficient? yes, i do believe it was. it was at efficient? yes, i do believe it was- it is _ was at efficient? yes, i do believe it was. it is an _ was at efficient? yes, i do believe it was. it is an iranian _ was at efficient? yes, i do believe it was. it is an iranian assassin i it was. it is an iranian assassin more capable _ it was. it is an iranian assassin more capable than _ it was. it is an iranian assassin more capable than a _ it was. it is an iranian assassin i more capable than a 20-year-old? it was. it is an iranian assassin - more capable than a 20-year-old? so, i think we more capable than a 20—year—old? so, i think we have acknowledged that there _ i think we have acknowledged that there were — i think we have acknowledged that there were qaps— i think we have acknowledged that there were gaps and _ i think we have acknowledged that there were gaps and a _ i think we have acknowledged that there were gaps and a failure i i think we have acknowledged that there were gaps and a failure that| there were gaps and a failure that day. there were gaps and a failure that da . ~ . . there were gaps and a failure that da . ~ . , , , , day. when i raise this issue with director ray. — day. when i raise this issue with director ray, he _ day. when i raise this issue with director ray, he was _ day. when i raise this issue with director ray, he was incensed, i day. when i raise this issue with i director ray, he was incensed, he was shocked that these threat assessment of iran did not seem to be, as i have discussed, in your security plan a threat assessment full speed went on to say that the generalised threat that he has told the whole country that we are under a potential terrorist threat, he is a potential terrorist threat, he is a rear under the highest level of potential terrorist attacks since nine — 11. and that people across the border as a result of biden's legislation. people affiliated with terrorist organisations would be a
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heightened threat is you, winning? yes. in his public statements, he said he has made the same is because he wants to take them into consideration in threat assessment specifically. now, that would be a threat notjust specifically. now, that would be a threat not just a specifically. now, that would be a threat notjust a donald trump but also to others? yes. are isis and al-qaeda terrorists more capable than a 20—year—old at pulling off a mass shooting or assassination of donald trump?— mass shooting or assassination of donald trump? server, again, there was clearly — donald trump? server, again, there was clearly a — donald trump? server, again, there was clearly a breakdown _ donald trump? server, again, there was clearly a breakdown and - donald trump? server, again, there was clearly a breakdown and a - was clearly a breakdown and a failure — was clearly a breakdown and a failure that _ was clearly a breakdown and a failure that day. _ was clearly a breakdown and a failure that day.— was clearly a breakdown and a failure that day. was clearly a breakdown and a failure that da . . , ., . . failure that day. have you read that those affiliated _ failure that day. have you read that those affiliated with _ failure that day. have you read that those affiliated with terrorist - those affiliated with terrorist groups that others in the know are represented under specific
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threats there has been any to donald trump? identified took stage, shooter killed after donald trump himself was killed. not only should you resign but present by the need to fire you because his life, donald trump's life and all the other people are are at risk because you have no concept of the aspect that the security footprint needs to be correlated to the threat.- correlated to the threat. directed tutor, correlated to the threat. directed tutor. there _ correlated to the threat. directed tutor, there were _ correlated to the threat. directed tutor, there were multiple - correlated to the threat. directed l tutor, there were multiple security failures— tutor, there were multiple security failures at— tutor, there were multiple security failures at the former president's rally in— failures at the former president's rally in pennsylvania. there was a failure _ rally in pennsylvania. there was a failure to— rally in pennsylvania. there was a failure to isolate the podium from exposure — failure to isolate the podium from exposure to direct fire. do we know
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who made — exposure to direct fire. do we know who made that decision to allow that rooftop— who made that decision to allow that rooftop to _ who made that decision to allow that rooftop to remain an unprotected area? _ rooftop to remain an unprotected area? who — rooftop to remain an unprotected area? who came up with that security plan that— area? who came up with that security plan that omitted that? sir, | area? who came up with that security plan that omitted that?— plan that omitted that? sir, i don't have a specific— plan that omitted that? sir, i don't have a specific person _ plan that omitted that? sir, i don't have a specific person to _ plan that omitted that? sir, i don't have a specific person to identify. l have a specific person to identify. 0k, have a specific person to identify. 0k. well— have a specific person to identify. 0k. well that _ have a specific person to identify. 0k, well that is _ have a specific person to identify. 0k, well that is what _ have a specific person to identify. 0k, well that is what i _ have a specific person to identify. 0k, well that is what i am - have a specific person to identify. | 0k, well that is what i am looking for so _ 0k, well that is what i am looking for so lets — 0k, well that is what i am looking for so lets move on. there is also a breakdown — for so lets move on. there is also a breakdown in — for so lets move on. there is also a breakdown in security and failure to confront _ breakdown in security and failure to confront the due to over one hour before _ confront the due to over one hour before the — confront the due to over one hour before the former president gave his remarks _ before the former president gave his remarks. when the shooter was identified — remarks. when the shooter was identified as a person of interest. what _ identified as a person of interest. what particularly allowed agents or law enforcement to identify him as a person— law enforcement to identify him as a person of— law enforcement to identify him as a person of interest? sir, law enforcement to identify him as a person of interest?— person of interest? sir, i appreciate _ person of interest? sir, i appreciate the _ person of interest? sir, i appreciate the question | person of interest? sir, i. appreciate the question and person of interest? sir, i- appreciate the question and i will say that— appreciate the question and i will say that we — appreciate the question and i will say that we are _ appreciate the question and i will say that we are nine _ appreciate the question and i will say that we are nine days - appreciate the question and i will say that we are nine days out i appreciate the question and i willj say that we are nine days out and there _ say that we are nine days out and there are — say that we are nine days out and there are a — say that we are nine days out and there are a multitude _ say that we are nine days out and there are a multitude of- say that we are nine days out and. there are a multitude of interviews that are _ there are a multitude of interviews that are still— there are a multitude of interviews that are still taking _ there are a multitude of interviews that are still taking place. - there are a multitude of interviews that are still taking place. ok, i there are a multitude of interviews that are still taking place.- that are still taking place. 0k, did he have a rangefinder? _
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that are still taking place. 0k, did he have a rangefinder? there - that are still taking place. 0k, did he have a rangefinder? there are| he have a rangefinder? there are some _ he have a rangefinder? there are some reports that the individual had a rangefinder, that would certainly raise my— a rangefinder, that would certainly raise my suspicion. did he have a range _ raise my suspicion. did he have a range finder?— raise my suspicion. did he have a range finder? raise my suspicion. did he have a ranae finder? , �* range finder? yes, he did. but may i exlain range finder? yes, he did. but may i explain that — range finder? yes, he did. but may i explain that at _ range finder? yes, he did. but may i explain that at a _ range finder? yes, he did. but may i explain that at a number— range finder? yes, he did. but may i explain that at a number of- range finder? yes, he did. but may i explain that at a number of our- explain that at a number of our size. _ explain that at a number of our size, especially— explain that at a number of our size, especially outdoor- explain that at a number of our. size, especially outdoor venues, a rangefinder— size, especially outdoor venues, a rangefinder is _ size, especially outdoor venues, a rangefinder is not _ size, especially outdoor venues, a rangefinder is not a _ size, especially outdoor venues, a rangefinder is not a prohibited i rangefinder is not a prohibited item. — rangefinder is not a prohibited item. it— rangefinder is not a prohibited item. it is— rangefinder is not a prohibited item. it is sometimes- rangefinder is not a prohibited item. it is sometimes an i rangefinder is not a prohibited item. it is sometimes an item| item. it is sometimes an item brouqht— item. it is sometimes an item brought in— item. it is sometimes an item brought in tty— item. it is sometimes an item brought in by individuals... i item. it is sometimes an iteml brought in by individuals... did an one brought in by individuals... anyone confront him on that? brought in by individuals...“ anyone confront him on that? anybody asking _ anyone confront him on that? anybody asking questions about why he brought— asking questions about why he brought in rangefinder? anybody confront — brought in rangefinder? anybody confront him on his presence and where _ confront him on his presence and where he — confront him on his presence and where he was in proximity to the president? — where he was in proximity to the president? to where he was in proximity to the resident? ., , where he was in proximity to the president?— president? to my knowledge, it believes that _ president? to my knowledge, it believes that was _ president? to my knowledge, it believes that was what - president? to my knowledge, it believes that was what was - president? to my knowledge, it l believes that was what was taking place _ believes that was what was taking place to _ believes that was what was taking place to locate _ believes that was what was taking place to locate him. _ believes that was what was taking place to locate him. did _ believes that was what was taking place to locate him. did they i believes that was what was taking i place to locate him. did they locate middleton? — place to locate him. did they locate middleton? l— place to locate him. did they locate middleton? i do— place to locate him. did they locate middleton? ., ., . middleton? i do not have those details at the _ middleton? i do not have those details at the time. _ middleton? i do not have those details at the time. those - middleton? i do not have those details at the time. those are i details at the time. those are important _ details at the time. those are important details. there was also failure _ important details. there was also failure to— important details. there was also failure to communicate between law enforcement upon information provided — enforcement upon information provided by either local law
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enforcement all rally attendees that the suspect was positioned on the roof there — the suspect was positioned on the roof there were minutes of delay before _ roof there were minutes of delay before any meaningful action was taken _ before any meaningful action was taken even though he was several hundred _ taken even though he was several hundred feet from the podium. this was of— hundred feet from the podium. this was of hissy— hundred feet from the podium. this was of hissy minutes before the shooting. — was of hissy minutes before the shooting. there was delay in moving the president from the podium it was still over— the president from the podium it was still over a _ the president from the podium it was still over a minute before he was removed — still over a minute before he was removed from the stage. meanwhile, he had _ removed from the stage. meanwhile, he had multiple clips, and he had the capacity and ability if he was not neutralised to basically mould down _ not neutralised to basically mould down that whole secret service detachment as well as the president.
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what i can tell you is that in under three _ what i can tell you is that in under three seconds— what i can tell you is that in under three seconds they _ what i can tell you is that in under three seconds they threw- three seconds they threw themselves... _ three seconds they threw themselves... i- three seconds they threw themselves... , . . , themselves... i understand there was heroism, themselves... i understand there was heroism. no — themselves... i understand there was heroism, no question _ themselves... i understand there was heroism, no question about _ themselves... i understand there was heroism, no question about it. - themselves... i understand there was heroism, no question about it. but i heroism, no question about it. but protocol— heroism, no question about it. but protocol would indicate that the opinions — protocol would indicate that the opinions of various former secret service _ opinions of various former secret service agents, a shooter with a high—capacity weapon had already wounded — high—capacity weapon had already wounded the president and could have -ot wounded the president and could have got off— wounded the president and could have got off we _ wounded the president and could have got off we don't know how many more rounds. _ got off we don't know how many more rounds. and _ got off we don't know how many more rounds, and yet the president remained _ rounds, and yet the president remained exposed, even though he was joined _ remained exposed, even though he was joined in _ remained exposed, even though he was joined in that exposure by the secret— joined in that exposure by the
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secret service in their heroic acts. i secret service in their heroic acts. i don't _ secret service in their heroic acts. i don't know— secret service in their heroic acts. i don't know if there is a good explanation for that. our personnel created _ explanation for that. our personnel created a _ explanation for that. our personnel created a body bunker on top of the president. — created a body bunker on top of the president, shielding him. i get that. _ president, shielding him. i get that. this— president, shielding him. i get that. this was an ar 15 style weapon. _ that. this was an ar 15 style weapon, and that would have made pretty— weapon, and that would have made pretty quick work if he was determined and able to do so. this is not _ determined and able to do so. this is not the _ determined and able to do so. this is not the first investigation we have _ is not the first investigation we have had — is not the first investigation we have had of the secret service during — have had of the secret service during my time on this committee, and the _ during my time on this committee, and the last— during my time on this committee, and the last one we had, our previous— and the last one we had, our previous investigation determined that the _ previous investigation determined that the secret service was experiencing a staffing crisis that poses _ experiencing a staffing crisis that poses perhaps the greatest threat to the agency, and that is a quote. is that staffing crisis still in place? is that staffing crisis still in place? is that _ that staffing crisis still in place? is that still something you deal with daily? fits is that still something you deal with daily?— is that still something you deal with dail ? ~ , ., ., ,, . with daily? as of today, the secret service has — with daily? as of today, the secret service hasjust _ with daily? as of today, the secret service hasjust over— with daily? as of today, the secret service has just over 8000 - service has just over 8000 employees. we continue to hire. knowing that we need to ensure we keep pace... what would be the full
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complement? please answer the question. how many would be a full complement for the service. green —— a full complement to the service? 17 a full complement to the service? ? we are recruiting to meet future and emerging _ we are recruiting to meet future and emerging needs _ we are recruiting to meet future and emerging needs. the _ we are recruiting to meet future and emerging needs. the chair— we are recruiting to meet future and i emerging needs. the chair recognises doctor— emerging needs. the chair recognises doctor fox _ emerging needs. the chair recognises doctor fox from — emerging needs. the chair recognises doctor fox from north _ emerging needs. the chair recognises doctor fox from north carolina. - doctor fox from north carolina. thank _ doctor fox from north carolina. thank you. _ doctor fox from north carolina. thank you. director— doctor fox from north carolina. thank you. director cheatle, i doctor fox from north carolina. . thank you. director cheatle, what grade _ thank you. director cheatle, what grade would — thank you. director cheatle, what grade would you _ thank you. director cheatle, what grade would you give _ thank you. director cheatle, what grade would you give the - thank you. director cheatle, what grade would you give the secret l grade would you give the secret service — grade would you give the secret service is' — grade would you give the secret service is' performance - grade would you give the secret service is' performance in - grade would you give the secret| service is' performance in butler pennsylvania _ service is' performance in butler pennsylvania on _ service is' performance in butler pennsylvania onjuly_ service is' performance in butler pennsylvania on july 13? - service is' performance in butler pennsylvania onjuly13? as- service is' performance in butler pennsylvania onjuly13? as i- pennsylvania onjuly13? as i stated. — pennsylvania onjuly13? as i stated. this _ pennsylvania onjuly13? as i stated, this was _ pennsylvania onjuly13? as i stated, this was clearly i pennsylvania onjuly 13? as i stated, this was clearly a - pennsylvania onjuly13? as i- stated, this was clearly a failure. i would _ stated, this was clearly a failure. i would grade _ stated, this was clearly a failure. i would grade the _ stated, this was clearly a failure. i would grade the agents- stated, this was clearly a failure. i would grade the agents had - stated, this was clearly a failure. - i would grade the agents had offered -- and _ i would grade the agents had offered -- and officers — i would grade the agents had offered —— and officers who _ i would grade the agents had offered —— and officers who threw _ i would grade the agents had offeredl —— and officers who threw themselves in front_ —— and officers who threw themselves in front of— —— and officers who threw themselves in front of the — —— and officers who threw themselves in front of the president _ —— and officers who threw themselves in front of the president had - in front of the president had neutralised _ in front of the president had neutralised the _ in front of the president had neutralised the threat - in front of the president had neutralised the threat an . in front of the president had neutralised the threat an a. | in front of the president had . neutralised the threat an a. we in front of the president had - neutralised the threat an a. we need to analyse _ neutralised the threat an a. we need to analyse the — neutralised the threat an a. we need to analyse the events _ neutralised the threat an a. we need to analyse the events on _ neutralised the threat an a. we need to analyse the events on that - neutralised the threat an a. we need to analyse the events on that day- to analyse the events on that day and leading — to analyse the events on that day and leading up— to analyse the events on that day and leading up to _ to analyse the events on that day and leading up to it. _ to analyse the events on that day and leading up to it. you - to analyse the events on that day and leading up to it. you stated i to analyse the events on that dayi and leading up to it. you stated in 2021 that — and leading up to it. you stated in 2021 that the _ and leading up to it. you stated in 2021 that the secret— and leading up to it. you stated in 2021 that the secret service -
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and leading up to it. you stated in 2021 that the secret service has . and leading up to it. you stated in 2021 that the secret service has a | 2021 that the secret service has a zero fite _ 2021 that the secret service has a zero file mission. _ 2021 that the secret service has a zero file mission. it _ 2021 that the secret service has a zero file mission. it is _ 2021 that the secret service has a zero file mission. it is clear- 2021 that the secret service has a zero file mission. it is clear the i zero file mission. it is clear the events— zero file mission. it is clear the events of— zero file mission. it is clear the events ofjuty_ zero file mission. it is clear the events ofjuly 13 _ zero file mission. it is clear the events ofjuly 13 show - zero file mission. it is clear the events ofjuly 13 show a - zero file mission. it is clear the| events ofjuly 13 show a cascade zero file mission. it is clear the . events ofjuly 13 show a cascade of failures— events ofjuly 13 show a cascade of failures that — events ofjuly 13 show a cascade of failures that caused _ events ofjuly 13 show a cascade of failures that caused corey- failures that caused corey comperatore _ failures that caused corey comperatore his - failures that caused corey comperatore his life, - failures that caused corey. comperatore his life, nearly failures that caused corey- comperatore his life, nearly cost the former— comperatore his life, nearly cost the former president _ comperatore his life, nearly cost the former president of - comperatore his life, nearly cost the former president of his - comperatore his life, nearly cost the former president of his life. i the former president of his life. when _ the former president of his life. when an— the former president of his life. when an agency— the former president of his life. when an agency fail— the former president of his life. l when an agency fail spectacularly the former president of his life. - when an agency fail spectacularly in its mission, — when an agency fail spectacularly in its mission, those _ when an agency fail spectacularly in its mission, those responsible - when an agency fail spectacularly in its mission, those responsible musti its mission, those responsible must be held _ its mission, those responsible must be held accountable, _ its mission, those responsible must be held accountable, and _ its mission, those responsible must be held accountable, and the - be held accountable, and the problems— be held accountable, and the problems must— be held accountable, and the problems must be _ be held accountable, and the problems must be fixed - be held accountable, and the problems must be fixed so. be held accountable, and the . problems must be fixed so they cannot— problems must be fixed so they cannot happen _ problems must be fixed so they cannot happen again. _ problems must be fixed so they cannot happen again. why- problems must be fixed so they. cannot happen again. why should problems must be fixed so they- cannot happen again. why should the american _ cannot happen again. why should the american people _ cannot happen again. why should the american people and _ cannot happen again. why should the american people and the _ cannot happen again. why should the american people and the officials - american people and the officials you are _ american people and the officials you are responsible _ american people and the officials you are responsible for— american people and the officials| you are responsible for protecting have confidence _ you are responsible for protecting have confidence in— you are responsible for protecting have confidence in your— you are responsible for protecting have confidence in your ability - you are responsible for protecting have confidence in your ability to| have confidence in your ability to lead the — have confidence in your ability to lead the secret _ have confidence in your ability to lead the secret service - have confidence in your ability to lead the secret service after - have confidence in your ability to| lead the secret service after such have confidence in your ability to i lead the secret service after such a spectacular — lead the secret service after such a spectacular failure? _ lead the secret service after such a spectacular failure? you _ lead the secret service after such a spectacular failure?— spectacular failure? you said on jul 15 at spectacular failure? you said on july 15 at the — spectacular failure? you said on july 15 at the buck _ spectacular failure? you said on july 15 at the buck stopped - spectacular failure? you said on july 15 at the buck stopped with | july 15 at the buck stopped with you. how are you taking accountability for the secret service failure on thejuly 13 session attempt on former president trump? i session attempt on former president
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trum - ? . . ~ session attempt on former president trum? . , trump? i am taking accountability and i will continue to _ trump? i am taking accountability and i will continue to do _ trump? i am taking accountability and i will continue to do so. - trump? i am taking accountability and i will continue to do so. i -

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