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zero file mission. it is clear the events— zero file mission. it is clear the events of— zero file mission. it is clear the events ofjuly_ zero file mission. it is clear the events ofjuly 13 _ zero file mission. it is clear the events ofjuly 13 show - zero file mission. it is clear the events ofjuly 13 show a - zero file mission. it is clear thei events ofjuly 13 show a cascade zero file mission. it is clear the . events ofjuly 13 show a cascade of failures_ events ofjuly 13 show a cascade of failures that — events ofjuly 13 show a cascade of failures that caused _ events ofjuly 13 show a cascade of failures that caused corey- failures that caused corey comperatore _ failures that caused corey comperatore his - failures that caused corey comperatore his life, - failures that caused corey. comperatore his life, nearly failures that caused corey- comperatore his life, nearly cost the former— comperatore his life, nearly cost the former president _ comperatore his life, nearly cost the former president of - comperatore his life, nearly cost the former president of his - comperatore his life, nearly cost the former president of his life. i the former president of his life. when _ the former president of his life. when an— the former president of his life. when an agency— the former president of his life. when an agency fail— the former president of his life. l when an agency fail spectacularly the former president of his life. - when an agency fail spectacularly in its mission, — when an agency fail spectacularly in its mission, those _ when an agency fail spectacularly in its mission, those responsible - when an agency fail spectacularly in its mission, those responsible musti its mission, those responsible must be held _ its mission, those responsible must be held accountable, _ its mission, those responsible must be held accountable, and _ its mission, those responsible must be held accountable, and the - be held accountable, and the problems— be held accountable, and the problems must— be held accountable, and the problems must be _ be held accountable, and the problems must be fixed - be held accountable, and the problems must be fixed so. be held accountable, and the . problems must be fixed so they cannot— problems must be fixed so they cannot happen _ problems must be fixed so they cannot happen again. _ problems must be fixed so they cannot happen again. why- problems must be fixed so they. cannot happen again. why should problems must be fixed so they- cannot happen again. why should the american _ cannot happen again. why should the american people _ cannot happen again. why should the american people and _ cannot happen again. why should the american people and the _ cannot happen again. why should the american people and the officials - american people and the officials you are _ american people and the officials you are responsible _ american people and the officials you are responsible for— american people and the officials| you are responsible for protecting have confidence _ you are responsible for protecting have confidence in— you are responsible for protecting have confidence in your— you are responsible for protecting have confidence in your ability - you are responsible for protecting have confidence in your ability toi have confidence in your ability to lead the — have confidence in your ability to lead the secret _ have confidence in your ability to lead the secret service - have confidence in your ability to lead the secret service after - have confidence in your ability to| lead the secret service after such have confidence in your ability to i lead the secret service after such a spectacular — lead the secret service after such a spectacular failure? _ lead the secret service after such a spectacular failure? you _ lead the secret service after such a spectacular failure?— spectacular failure? you said on jul 15 at spectacular failure? you said on july 15 at the — spectacular failure? you said on july 15 at the buck _ spectacular failure? you said on july 15 at the buck stopped - spectacular failure? you said on july 15 at the buck stopped with | july 15 at the buck stopped with you. how are you taking accountability for the secret service failure on thejuly 13 session attempt on former president trump? i session attempt on former president trum - ? . . ~
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session attempt on former president trum? . , trump? i am taking accountability and i will continue to _ trump? i am taking accountability and i will continue to do _ trump? i am taking accountability and i will continue to do so. - trump? i am taking accountability and i will continue to do so. i - trump? i am taking accountability and i will continue to do so. i am | and i will continue to do so. i am responsible — and i will continue to do so. i am responsible for— and i will continue to do so. i am responsible for leading _ and i will continue to do so. i am responsible for leading the - and i will continue to do so. i am i responsible for leading the agency responsible — responsible for leading the agency responsible for— responsible for leading the agency responsible for finding _ responsible for leading the agency responsible for finding the - responsible for leading the agency| responsible for finding the answers to how— responsible for finding the answers to how this— responsible for finding the answers to how this event _ responsible for finding the answers to how this event occurred - responsible for finding the answers to how this event occurred and - to how this event occurred and making — to how this event occurred and making sure _ to how this event occurred and making sure that _ to how this event occurred and making sure that it _ to how this event occurred and making sure that it doesn't - to how this event occurred and - making sure that it doesn't happen again _ making sure that it doesn't happen again i— making sure that it doesn't happen aaain. ., ~' making sure that it doesn't happen aaain. ., ~ ., , ., ., again. i would like to explore how ou not again. i would like to explore how you got the _ again. i would like to explore how you got the job — again. i would like to explore how you got the job as— again. i would like to explore how you got the job as director- again. i would like to explore how you got the job as director of- again. i would like to explore how you got the job as director of the l you got the job as director of the united states secret service. is it typical for the director of the secret service to be recommended for the role at the behest of a president's family and senior staff? perhaps at the request ofjill biden? i perhaps at the request ofjill biden? ., ., , perhaps at the request ofjill biden? ., .,, ., . perhaps at the request ofjill biden? ., . . ., biden? i got the “ob as a director ofthe biden? i got the “ob as a director of the secret — biden? i got the job as a director of the secret service _ biden? i got the job as a director of the secret service because - biden? i got the job as a director of the secret service because i l of the secret service because i spent — of the secret service because i spent 27— of the secret service because i spent 27 years _ of the secret service because i spent 27 years in _ of the secret service because i spent 27 years in an _ of the secret service because i spent 27 years in an agency. of the secret service because i. spent 27 years in an agency with a mission _ spent 27 years in an agency with a mission that — spent 27 years in an agency with a mission that i_ spent 27 years in an agency with a mission that i absolutely- spent 27 years in an agency with a mission that i absolutely love. - spent 27 years in an agency with a mission that i absolutely love. i. mission that i absolutely love. i started — mission that i absolutely love. i started my— mission that i absolutely love. i started my career— mission that i absolutely love. i started my career in _ mission that i absolutely love. i started my career in detroit, i mission that i absolutely love. i- started my career in detroit, worked my way— started my career in detroit, worked my way up— started my career in detroit, worked my way up through _ started my career in detroit, worked my way up through investigations i started my career in detroit, workedi my way up through investigations and protection _ my way up through investigations and protection ittries— my way up through investigations and rotection. ~ . . my way up through investigations and rotection. ~ , ., protection. was there competition for the position? _ protection. was there competition for the position? you _ protection. was there competition for the position? you would - protection. was there competition for the position? you would have l protection. was there competition l for the position? you would have to ask those who _ for the position? you would have to ask those who were _ for the position? you would have to ask those who were involved - for the position? you would have to ask those who were involved in - for the position? you would have to ask those who were involved in the | ask those who were involved in the interview— ask those who were involved in the interview process. _ ask those who were involved in the interview process. but— ask those who were involved in the interview process.— ask those who were involved in the interview process. but you think you are the best — interview process. but you think you are the best person _ interview process. but you think you are the best person in _ interview process. but you think you are the best person in the _ interview process. but you think you
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are the best person in the country i are the best person in the country to head the secret service? i are the best person in the country to head the secret service? i think i am the to head the secret service? i think i am the best _ to head the secret service? i think i am the best person _ to head the secret service? i think i am the best person to _ to head the secret service? i think i am the best person to lead - to head the secret service? i think i am the best person to lead the l i am the best person to lead the secret— i am the best person to lead the secret service _ i am the best person to lead the secret service at _ i am the best person to lead the secret service at this _ i am the best person to lead the secret service at this time. - i am the best person to lead the secret service at this time. thel secret service at this time. the secret service at this time. the secret service _ secret service at this time. secret service receives secret service at this time.- secret service receives billions in funding each year, as has been explained by my colleagues here. you have had an increase in real terms of 55%, as you are no doubt aware, staffing levels for those assigned to protect the president, former presidents and other senior officials at has decreased by about 350 between 2014 and today. clearly a lack of financial resources is not to blame for the staffing shortage. in 2022, the secret service saw nearly half its workforce leave in one year, and during the same year it was ranked last a among law enforcement agencies in the best places to work in federal government. can you explain why your agency was so poorly rated and why
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so many staff left in just one year? with all due respect, i dispute the statistic— with all due respect, i dispute the statistic of — with all due respect, i dispute the statistic of half _ with all due respect, i dispute the statistic of half of _ with all due respect, i dispute the statistic of half of the _ with all due respect, i dispute the statistic of half of the employees. statistic of half of the employees teaving _ statistic of half of the employees leaving in— statistic of half of the employees leaving in 2022. _ statistic of half of the employees leaving in 2022. i— statistic of half of the employees leaving in 2022. i think— statistic of half of the employees leaving in 2022. i think that - statistic of half of the employees leaving in 2022. i think that is i leaving in 2022. i think that is inaccurate _ leaving in 2022. i think that is inaccurate data _ leaving in 2022. i think that is inaccurate data that _ leaving in 2022. i think that is inaccurate data that has - leaving in 2022. i think that is inaccurate data that has been| inaccurate data that has been reported _ inaccurate data that has been reported at _ inaccurate data that has been reported at there. _ inaccurate data that has been reported at there. i— inaccurate data that has been reported at there. i can - inaccurate data that has been reported at there. i can tell. inaccurate data that has been . reported at there. i can tell you that, _ reported at there. i can tell you that, as — reported at there. i can tell you that, as i — reported at there. i can tell you that, as i have _ reported at there. i can tell you that, as i have returned - reported at there. i can tell you that, as i have returned as- reported at there. i can tell you i that, as i have returned as director of the _ that, as i have returned as director of the agency, _ that, as i have returned as director of the agency, we _ that, as i have returned as director of the agency, we have _ that, as i have returned as director of the agency, we have had - that, as i have returned as director of the agency, we have had an - of the agency, we have had an increase — of the agency, we have had an increase in— of the agency, we have had an increase in hiring _ of the agency, we have had an increase in hiring and - of the agency, we have had an increase in hiring and staffing, of the agency, we have had an - increase in hiring and staffing, and an increase — increase in hiring and staffing, and an increase in _ increase in hiring and staffing, and an increase in resources, - increase in hiring and staffing, and an increase in resources, and - increase in hiring and staffing, and an increase in resources, and we l increase in hiring and staffing, and i an increase in resources, and we are committed _ an increase in resources, and we are committed to — an increase in resources, and we are committed to continuing _ an increase in resources, and we are committed to continuing to - an increase in resources, and we are committed to continuing to hire - an increase in resources, and we are committed to continuing to hire so. committed to continuing to hire so that we _ committed to continuing to hire so that we can — committed to continuing to hire so that we can be _ committed to continuing to hire so that we can be staffed _ committed to continuing to hire so. that we can be staffed appropriately to meet— that we can be staffed appropriately to meet the — that we can be staffed appropriately to meet the dynamic— that we can be staffed appropriately to meet the dynamic mission- that we can be staffed appropriately to meet the dynamic mission that l that we can be staffed appropriatelyl to meet the dynamic mission that we have _ to meet the dynamic mission that we have.~ to meet the dynamic mission that we have. ~ , ., ._ to meet the dynamic mission that we have. ~ i. ._ . to meet the dynamic mission that we have. ~ i. . ., to meet the dynamic mission that we have. . y., ., ., , , have. well, you may want to dispute it, but it is — have. well, you may want to dispute it, but it is out _ have. well, you may want to dispute it, but it is out there. _ have. well, you may want to dispute it, but it is out there. my _ it, but it is out there. my understanding, given the high profile failures and rotten culture at the secret service during your nearly two two—year tenure, why should the american people have any confidence in your ability to lead the secret service to perform its zero file mission to protect our senior leaders? the zero file mission to protect our senior leaders?—
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zero file mission to protect our senior leaders? the secret service has an incredible _ senior leaders? the secret service has an incredible culture. - senior leaders? the secret service has an incredible culture. our - senior leaders? the secret servicej has an incredible culture. our men has an incredible culture. 0ur men and women — has an incredible culture. 0ur men and women ptace _ has an incredible culture. 0ur men and women place service - has an incredible culture. 0ur men and women place service over- has an incredible culture. 0ur men| and women place service over self. they— and women place service over self. they come — and women place service over self. they come in— and women place service over self. they come in every— and women place service over self. they come in every day— and women place service over self. they come in every day willing - and women place service over self. they come in every day willing to l they come in every day willing to risk their— they come in every day willing to risk their lives— they come in every day willing to risk their lives for— they come in every day willing to risk their lives for our— they come in every day willing to risk their lives for our protective i risk their lives for our protective mission, — risk their lives for our protective mission, and _ risk their lives for our protective mission, and they— risk their lives for our protective mission, and they work- mission, and they work investigations- mission, and they work investigations that - mission, and they work. investigations that support mission, and they work— investigations that support people who would — investigations that support people who woutd do— investigations that support people who would do harm _ investigations that support people who would do harm to _ investigations that support people who would do harm to children, i investigations that support people i who would do harm to children, child exptoiters _ who would do harm to children, child exptoiters we — who would do harm to children, child exploiters. we have _ who would do harm to children, child exploiters. we have an _ who would do harm to children, child exploiters. we have an incredible - exploiters. we have an incredible mission _ exploiters. we have an incredible mission and — exploiters. we have an incredible mission and our— exploiters. we have an incredible mission and our culture _ exploiters. we have an incredible mission and our culture is - exploiters. we have an incredible mission and our culture is that i exploiters. we have an incredible| mission and our culture is that we will get _ mission and our culture is that we will get the — mission and our culture is that we will get the job _ mission and our culture is that we will get the job done, _ mission and our culture is that we will get the job done, no - mission and our culture is that we will get the job done, no matter. will get the job done, no matter what _ will get the “ob done, no matter what. .,, will get the “ob done, no matter what. ., ., what. those on the front line certainly _ what. those on the front line certainly have _ what. those on the front line certainly have a _ what. those on the front line certainly have a great - what. those on the front line | certainly have a great culture, what. those on the front line - certainly have a great culture, and they were willing to risk their lives for president trump, but i'm not sure the leadership at the agency has this right kind of culture. i yelled back, agency has this right kind of culture. iyelled back, mr chairman. the chair recognises mr connelly from _ the chair recognises mr connelly from virginia.— from virginia. thank you. well, i ho -e the from virginia. thank you. well, i hope the american _ from virginia. thank you. well, i hope the american people - from virginia. thank you. well, i hope the american people do - hope the american people do appreciate the incredible daily risks secret service agents take on our behalf. you mentioned that there are 36 regular clients you've got that you protect constantly, but i
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was participating in the nato summit just two weeks ago. we had 32 heads of government and heads of state, plus visiting heads of state and government. presumably you provided protection for all of them. that government. presumably you provided protection for all of them.— protection for all of them. that is correct. protection for all of them. that is correct- just _ protection for all of them. that is correct. just saying. _ protection for all of them. that is correct. just saying. help - protection for all of them. that is correct. just saying. help us - correct. just saying. help us understand, _ correct. just saying. help us understand, however... - correct. just saying. help us understand, however... i i correct. just saying. help us| understand, however... i will understand, however... iwill stipulate that there is an ongoing investigation you don't want to go into. you don't want to go into it also detail until you have been able to ascertain all the facts and understand what they mean. however, you can understand the anxiety we in the american public have about how this could happen, and how we can ensure it can't recur. there are some things my friends on one particular side of the oil don't really want to talk about, like ar 155 and access to them by our 20—year—old, or anybody, for that matter. presumably, director
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cheatle, the ubiquity of weapons, guns, in america, especially assault weapons and semiautomatic well weapons, —— semiautomatic weapons, that has made yourjob less complicated — is that true? that has made yourjob less complicated - is that true? sorry, i don't understand _ complicated - is that true? sorry, i don't understand the _ complicated - is that true? sorry, i don't understand the question - complicated - is that true? sorry, i don't understand the question fulll don't understand the question full stop don't understand the question full sto ; . . don't understand the question full sto ; , , , ., ., , stop simple question - more guns, eseciall stop simple question - more guns, especially dangerous _ stop simple question - more guns, especially dangerous ones, - stop simple question - more guns, especially dangerous ones, have i stop simple question - more guns, - especially dangerous ones, have made yourjob easier. is that right? i yourjob easier. is that right? i think, from every... this- yourjob easier. is that right? i think, from every... this is- yourjob easier. is that right? i - think, from every... this is simple enalish. think, from every... this is simple english- more _ think, from every... this is simple english. more guns, _ think, from every... this is simple english. more guns, do _ think, from every... this is simple english. more guns, do they - think, from every... this is simplej english. more guns, do they make yourjob more complicated or less complicated in protecting these 36 clients and visiting heads of state, heads of government that come to washington? i heads of government that come to washington?— washington? i think the secret service needs _ washington? i think the secret service needs to _ washington? i think the secret service needs to take - washington? i think the secret service needs to take into - service needs to take into account _ service needs to take into account i— service needs to take into account. . .— service needs to take into account... �* . . �* account... ididn't ask that. i'm sor ,i account... i didn't ask that. i'm sorry. i asked _ account... i didn't ask that. i'm sorry, i asked a _ account... i didn't ask that. i'm sorry, i asked a simple - account... i didn't ask that. i'm i sorry, i asked a simple question, which deserves a simple answer. the ubiquity of guns, dangerous weapons,
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in america, like ar 155, has that majorjob, the mission of the secret service, easier or more difficult? i service, easier or more difficult? i think the threat environment for protecting — think the threat environment for protecting our— think the threat environment for protecting our secret— think the threat environment for protecting our secret service - protecting our secret service protectees _ protecting our secret service protectees is _ protecting our secret service protectees is always - protecting our secret service | protectees is always difficult, protecting our secret service - protectees is always difficult, and that is— protectees is always difficult, and that is dynamic— protectees is always difficult, and that is dynamic and _ protectees is always difficult, and that is dynamic and always - protectees is always difficult, and i that is dynamic and always evolving. we stiputate — that is dynamic and always evolving. we stiputate it — that is dynamic and always evolving. we stipulate it is _ that is dynamic and always evolving. we stipulate it is always— that is dynamic and always evolving. we stipulate it is always difficult. . we stipulate it is always difficult. again, this is a simple one. does the ubiquity of guns make yourjob easier or more difficult today? i easier or more difficult today? i understand the second amendment rights _ understand the second amendment rights of— understand the second amendment rights of individuals... _ understand the second amendment rights of individuals... i _ understand the second amendment rights of individuals. . ._ rights of individuals... i didn't asked that — rights of individuals... i didn't asked that question _ rights of individuals... i didn't asked that question and - rights of individuals... i didn't asked that question and i'm l rights of individuals... i didn't l asked that question and i'm not questioning the second amendment. i'm asking a simple analysis, director cheatle. i can tell you, you are not making myjob easier in terms of assessing your qualification for continuing on as director. please, answer the question. you are the head of the secret service. you are speaking on behalf of 8000 members who put their lives on the line. we have just had
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a failure by your own admission. do guns make yourjob easier or harder? i think thejob guns make yourjob easier or harder? i think the job of the secret service _ i think the job of the secret service is— i think the job of the secret service is difficult - i think the job of the secret service is difficult on - i think the job of the secret service is difficult on every| i think the job of the secret - service is difficult on every day, and we — service is difficult on every day, and we need _ service is difficult on every day, and we need to— service is difficult on every day, and we need to make _ service is difficult on every day, and we need to make sure - service is difficult on every day, and we need to make sure that| service is difficult on every day, i and we need to make sure that we service is difficult on every day, - and we need to make sure that we are mitigating _ and we need to make sure that we are mitigating att — and we need to make sure that we are mitigating all threats, _ and we need to make sure that we are mitigating all threats, whether- and we need to make sure that we are mitigating all threats, whether that i mitigating all threats, whether that he ~~ _ mitigating all threats, whether that be... . . �* , mitigating all threats, whether that be... . ,�* , , ., . be... that isn't my question. that is not my — be... that isn't my question. that is not my question. _ be... that isn't my question. that is not my question. and _ be. .. that isn't my question. that is not my question. and now- be... that isn't my question. that is not my question. and now i - be... that isn't my question. that i is not my question. and now i think you are evading the answer, which is not a hard one. i’m you are evading the answer, which is not a hard one.— not a hard one. i'm sorry that you feel that way. _ not a hard one. i'm sorry that you feel that way, sir. _ not a hard one. i'm sorry that you feel that way, sir. how— not a hard one. i'm sorry that you feel that way, sir. how else - not a hard one. i'm sorry that you feel that way, sir. how else couldj not a hard one. i'm sorry that you | feel that way, sir. how else could i feel, feel that way, sir. how else could i feel. director— feel that way, sir. how else could i feel, director cheatle, _ feel that way, sir. how else could i feel, director cheatle, when - feel that way, sir. how else could i feel, director cheatle, when you i feel that way, sir. how else could i | feel, director cheatle, when you are clearly avoiding a direct answer to a very simple, declarative question? we almost lost a presidential candidate the other day. a 20—year—old had access to his father's ar 15 and got on top of a roof within 500 yards or feet of the podium. and i'm asking you, did the availability of that ar 15, which is replicated all across america, make yourjob harder or easier because like and you are not willing to
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answer that question. and you wonder why we might have a lack of confidence in your continued ability to direct this agency? i confidence in your continued ability to direct this agency?— to direct this agency? i understand our to direct this agency? i understand your question. _ to direct this agency? i understand your question, and _ to direct this agency? i understand your question, and that _ to direct this agency? i understand your question, and that is - to direct this agency? i understand your question, and that is the - your question, and that is the environment. _ your question, and that is the environment.— your question, and that is the environment. ~ , ., . ., environment. well, if you want to stand my question, _ environment. well, if you want to stand my question, why - environment. well, if you want to stand my question, why not - environment. well, if you want to i stand my question, why not answer it? �* .., , stand my question, why not answer it? �* .. , , ., it? because it is the environment the secret _ it? because it is the environment the secret service _ it? because it is the environment the secret service works - it? because it is the environment the secret service works in - it? because it is the environment the secret service works in every| the secret service works in every day _ the secret service works in every da . . the secret service works in every da. ., ., , �* the secret service works in every da. . ., , �* . , day. that doesn't tell me anything. that's the environment _ day. that doesn't tell me anything. that's the environment we - day. that doesn't tell me anything. that's the environment we work . day. that doesn't tell me anything. j that's the environment we work in. day. that doesn't tell me anything. i that's the environment we work in. i had an attack on my office a year ago. i know a little bit about violence, too. he came to kill me. when he couldn't, he beat one of my staffers eight times with a baseball bat on the head. we live with the threat of violence. but a simple answer from the director of the secret service would be helpful. and i'm sorry you've chosen to evade it. i'm sorry you've chosen to evade it. i yield back. i'm sorry you've chosen to evade it. i yield back-— i yield back. the chair recognises mr grossman _ i yield back. the chair recognises mr grossman from _ i yield back. the chair recognises mr grossman from wisconsin. i i yield back. the chair recognises . mr grossman from wisconsin. thank ou. when
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mr grossman from wisconsin. thank you- when this _ mr grossman from wisconsin. thank you- when this guy _ mr grossman from wisconsin. thank you. when this guy took _ mr grossman from wisconsin. thank you. when this guy took the - mr grossman from wisconsin. “maria; you. when this guy took the shots, he climbed the ladder to got on the route —— to get on the roof, correct? route -- to get on the roof, correct?— route -- to get on the roof, correct? �* . , ., . , correct? i'm unable to answer details of _ correct? i'm unable to answer details of how— correct? i'm unable to answer details of how exactly - correct? i'm unable to answer details of how exactly the - details of how exactly the individual _ details of how exactly the individual access - details of how exactly the individual access to - details of how exactly the individual access to the i details of how exactly the i individual access to the roof details of how exactly the - individual access to the roof at this time _ individual access to the roof at this time do _ individual access to the roof at this time-— individual access to the roof at this time. i. ~ ., this time. do you know when... if he did use the — this time. do you know when... if he did use the ladder, _ this time. do you know when... if he did use the ladder, do _ this time. do you know when... if he did use the ladder, do you _ this time. do you know when. .. if he did use the ladder, do you know- this time. do you know when... if he l did use the ladder, do you know when the ladder was placed there was met was itjust might days before, the night before — any information as to when the ladder got there? i night before - any information as to when the ladder got there?- when the ladder got there? i would like to be able _ when the ladder got there? i would like to be able to _ when the ladder got there? i would like to be able to answer _ when the ladder got there? i would like to be able to answer those - like to be able to answer those questions _ like to be able to answer those questions the _ like to be able to answer those questions. the fbi _ like to be able to answer those questions. the fbi is _ like to be able to answer those questions. the fbi is still- questions. the fbi is still conducting _ questions. the fbi is still conducting an _ questions. the fbi is still. conducting an investigation. questions. the fbi is still- conducting an investigation. hora; questions. the fbi is still conducting an investigation. how did the rifle aet conducting an investigation. how did the rifle get to _ conducting an investigation. how did the rifle get to the _ conducting an investigation. how did the rifle get to the roof? _ conducting an investigation. how did the rifle get to the roof? again, - the rifle get to the roof? again, sir, at the rifle get to the roof? again, sir. at this _ the rifle get to the roof? again, sir, at this time _ the rifle get to the roof? again, sir, at this time i _ the rifle get to the roof? again, sir, at this time i am _ the rifle get to the roof? again, sir, at this time i am unable - the rifle get to the roof? again, sir, at this time i am unable to | sir, at this time i am unable to answer— sir, at this time i am unable to answer questions. _ sir, at this time i am unable to answer questions.— sir, at this time i am unable to answer questions. have they clean the roof since _ answer questions. have they clean the roof since the _ answer questions. have they clean the roof since the assassination i the roof since the assassination attempt? the roof since the assassination attem t? . , the roof since the assassination attemt? . , . . attempt? have they clean the roof? ri . ht. attempt? have they clean the roof? riaht. has attempt? have they clean the roof? right. has anything _ attempt? have they clean the roof? right. has anything been _ attempt? have they clean the roof? right. has anything been done i attempt? have they clean the roof? right. has anything been done to i attempt? have they clean the roof? l right. has anything been done to the roof? is itjust like it was, whatever, ten days ago, or not? has anything been done to the roof? l anything been done to the roof? i don't have an answer for that. anything been done to the roof? i |
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don't have an answer for that. 0k. wer president _ don't have an answer for that. wer president trump's normal don't have an answer for that.“ wer president trump's normal agents normally aside to him —— normally assigned to him there that day? yes. the same agents _ assigned to him there that day? yes. the same agents that _ assigned to him there that day? yes. the same agents that were always there? _ the same agents that were always there? yes. — the same agents that were always there? yes, sir, _ the same agents that were always there? yes, sir, the— the same agents that were always there? yes, sir, the people - the same agents that were always i there? yes, sir, the people assigned to his _ there? yes, sir, the people assigned to his detail— there? yes, sir, the people assigned to his detail were _ there? yes, sir, the people assigned to his detail were working _ there? yes, sir, the people assigned to his detail were working on- there? yes, sir, the people assigned to his detail were working on that. to his detail were working on that day. to his detail were working on that da . ., , , , ., day. 0k, there was stuff on the internet that _ day. 0k, there was stuff on the internet that says _ day. 0k, there was stuff on the internet that says they - day. 0k, there was stuff on the internet that says they were - day. 0k, there was stuff on the | internet that says they were not there that day, but these are the same agents who are routinely there? yes, sir. ~ ., . yes, sir. 0k. do we know which aaents yes, sir. 0k. do we know which agents fired _ yes, sir. 0k. do we know which agents fired the _ yes, sir. 0k. do we know which agents fired the shots - yes, sir. 0k. do we know which agents fired the shots that - yes, sir. 0k. do we know which. agents fired the shots that finally took down the potential assessing? yes, sir, i do. flan took down the potential assessing? yes. sir. i de— yes, sir, i do. can you give us those names _ yes, sir, i do. can you give us those names in _ yes, sir, i do. can you give us those names in the _ yes, sir, i do. can you give us. those names in the background yes, sir, i do. can you give us- those names in the background of those names in the background of those agents? i those names in the background of these agents?— those agents? i would not offer their name _ those agents? i would not offer their name un _ those agents? i would not offer their name up in _ those agents? i would not offer their name up in this _ those agents? i would not offer their name up in this setting, . those agents? i would not offer i their name up in this setting, but it was_ their name up in this setting, but it was one — their name up in this setting, but it was one of— their name up in this setting, but it was one of our _ their name up in this setting, but it was one of our technical - it was one of our technical officers. _ it was one of our technical officers. our— it was one of our technical officers, our counter- it was one of our technical i officers, our counter snipers. it was one of our technical - officers, our counter snipers. tan officers, our counter snipers. can we privately _ officers, our counter snipers. can we privately get _ officers, our counter snipers. we privately get those names to officers, our counter snipers.“ we privately get those names to the committee? i we privately get those names to the committee?— committee? i am certainly that we can make names— committee? i am certainly that we can make names available - committee? i am certainly that we i can make names available privately. do we _ can make names available privately. do we know— can make names available privately.
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do we know where _ can make names available privately. do we know where all— can make names available privately. do we know where all the _ can make names available privately. do we know where all the shots - do we know where all the shots landed? first of all, how many shots did the potential assessing fire from the right. then again, i would hesitate to offer that information is the fbi is conducting an investigation. have we got the bullets from all the shots? again, that would be _ bullets from all the shots? again, that would be the _ bullets from all the shots? again, that would be the responsibility i bullets from all the shots? again, l that would be the responsibility of the fbi _ that would be the responsibility of the fbi to — that would be the responsibility of the fbi to collect _ that would be the responsibility of the fbi to collect that— that would be the responsibility of the fbi to collect that evidence. . the fbi to collect that evidence. 0k. the fbi to collect that evidence. 0k~ do — the fbi to collect that evidence. 0k~ do we — the fbi to collect that evidence. 0k~ do we have _ the fbi to collect that evidence. 0k. do we have any... - the fbi to collect that evidence. 0k. do we have any... do - the fbi to collect that evidence. 0k. do we have any... do we i the fbi to collect that evidence. . 0k. do we have any... do we have the fbi to collect that evidence. - 0k. do we have any... do we have the correspondence from the shooter was like has that been recovered from his phone or whatever?— his phone or whatever? again, i would have _ his phone or whatever? again, i would have to _ his phone or whatever? again, i would have to differ— his phone or whatever? again, i would have to differ you - his phone or whatever? again, i would have to differ you to - his phone or whatever? again, i would have to differ you to the i his phone or whatever? again, i i would have to differ you to the fbi for details — would have to differ you to the fbi for details on _ would have to differ you to the fbi for details on that _ would have to differ you to the fbi for details on that investigation. i for details on that investigation. 0k. for details on that investigation. ok you — for details on that investigation. ok you spent _ for details on that investigation. ok. you spent some _ for details on that investigation. ok. you spent some time - for details on that investigation. ok. you spent some time tryingl for details on that investigation. i ok. you spent some time trying to change the make up of the secret service. 0k, change the make up of the secret service. ok, you feel they are, whatever, too higher percentage of men. does this affect at all who you
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are hiring for the secret service? i've spent my time as the director trying _ i've spent my time as the director trying to— i've spent my time as the director trying to increase _ i've spent my time as the director trying to increase the _ i've spent my time as the director trying to increase the number- i've spent my time as the director trying to increase the number of i trying to increase the number of people _ trying to increase the number of people that _ trying to increase the number of people that we _ trying to increase the number of people that we hire _ trying to increase the number of people that we hire in— trying to increase the number of people that we hire in the - trying to increase the number of| people that we hire in the secret service _ people that we hire in the secret service so— people that we hire in the secret service so that _ people that we hire in the secret service so that we _ people that we hire in the secret service so that we have - people that we hire in the secret service so that we have the - people that we hire in the secret service so that we have the best| people that we hire in the secret - service so that we have the best and brightest, _ service so that we have the best and brightest, and — service so that we have the best and brightest, and that _ service so that we have the best and brightest, and that has— service so that we have the best and brightest, and that has been- service so that we have the best and brightest, and that has been my- brightest, and that has been my concentration— brightest, and that has been my concentration is— brightest, and that has been my concentration is the _ brightest, and that has been my concentration is the director. . brightest, and that has been myl concentration is the director. 0k. are ou concentration is the director. 0k. are you ever _ concentration is the director. 0k. are you ever not _ concentration is the director. are you ever not hiring men concentration is the director.“ are you ever not hiring men because of your desire to hit certain targets? i of your desire to hit certain taraets? .. , , targets? i am hiring the best aualified targets? i am hiring the best qualified candidates - targets? i am hiring the best qualified candidates that - targets? i am hiring the best qualified candidates that put| targets? i am hiring the best. qualified candidates that put in targets? i am hiring the best- qualified candidates that put in an application — qualified candidates that put in an application that— qualified candidates that put in an application that want _ qualified candidates that put in an application that want to _ qualified candidates that put in an application that want to work - qualified candidates that put in an application that want to work for i application that want to work for our great — application that want to work for our great organisation. - application that want to work for our great organisation. 0k. - application that want to work for our great organisation. 0k. next auestion our great organisation. 0k. next question - _ our great organisation. 0k. next question - the — our great organisation. 0k. next question - the shooter— our great organisation. 0k. next question - the shooter obtained| our great organisation. 0k. next| question - the shooter obtained a question — the shooter obtained a direct site of president trump from the position on the rooftop. i assume it is not something that should ever happen. it should never happen. do you want to elaborate a little on how that happened, or what you wish you had done differently,
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or would do differently next time there is a trump rally?— or would do differently next time there is a trump rally? again, sir, there is a trump rally? again, sir, the facts of _ there is a trump rally? again, sir, the facts of this _ there is a trump rally? again, sir, the facts of this particular - there is a trump rally? again, sir, the facts of this particular event i the facts of this particular event are still— the facts of this particular event are still unfolding. _ the facts of this particular event are still unfolding. nine - the facts of this particular event are still unfolding. nine days. i are still unfolding. nine days. there — are still unfolding. nine days. there have _ are still unfolding. nine days. there have been _ are still unfolding. nine days. there have been a _ are still unfolding. nine days. there have been a number. are still unfolding. nine days. there have been a number of| are still unfolding. nine days. - there have been a number of reports out there. _ there have been a number of reports out there. so— there have been a number of reports out there. so i— there have been a number of reports out there, so i do— there have been a number of reports out there, so i do not— there have been a number of reports out there, so i do not want— there have been a number of reports out there, so i do not want to - out there, so i do not want to provide — out there, so i do not want to provide information— out there, so i do not want to provide information that - out there, so i do not want to i provide information that perhaps would _ provide information that perhaps would contradict _ provide information that perhaps would contradict something - provide information that perhaps would contradict something that| provide information that perhaps - would contradict something that has been erroneously— would contradict something that has been erroneously reported - would contradict something that has been erroneously reported or - would contradict something that has been erroneously reported or is - would contradict something that has been erroneously reported or is noti been erroneously reported or is not factual. _ been erroneously reported or is not factual. but — been erroneously reported or is not factual, but there _ been erroneously reported or is not factual, but there clearly— been erroneously reported or is not factual, but there clearly was - been erroneously reported or is not factual, but there clearly was a - factual, but there clearly was a mistake — factual, but there clearly was a mistake and _ factual, but there clearly was a mistake and we _ factual, but there clearly was a mistake and we will— factual, but there clearly was a mistake and we will take - factual, but there clearly was a mistake and we will take everyl mistake and we will take every effort — mistake and we will take every effort to — mistake and we will take every effort to make _ mistake and we will take every effort to make sure _ mistake and we will take every effort to make sure that - mistake and we will take every effort to make sure that this i mistake and we will take every - effort to make sure that this never happens _ effort to make sure that this never happens again _ effort to make sure that this never happens again-— effort to make sure that this never happens again. could you elaborate wh ou happens again. could you elaborate why you want _ happens again. could you elaborate why you want one — happens again. could you elaborate why you want one third _ happens again. could you elaborate why you want one third of _ happens again. could you elaborate why you want one third of the - happens again. could you elaborate | why you want one third of the secret service to be women? i why you want one third of the secret service to be women?— service to be women? i have never stated that — service to be women? i have never stated that i _ service to be women? i have never stated that i want _ service to be women? i have never stated that i want one _ service to be women? i have never stated that i want one third - service to be women? i have never stated that i want one third of - service to be women? i have never stated that i want one third of the l stated that i want one third of the secret— stated that i want one third of the secret service _ stated that i want one third of the secret service to _ stated that i want one third of the secret service to be _ stated that i want one third of the secret service to be women. - stated that i want one third of the secret service to be women. youl stated that i want one third of the secret service to be women. you had some target. — secret service to be women. you had some target. no? _ secret service to be women. you had some target, no? what _ secret service to be women. you had some target, no? what the _ secret service to be women. you had some target, no? what the chairman i some target, no? what the chairman ield? i some target, no? what the chairman yield? i will— some target, no? what the chairman yield? iwill yield. _ some target, no? what the chairman yield? i will yield. you _ some target, no? what the chairman yield? i will yield. you said _ yield? i will yield. you said something _ yield? i will yield. you said something was _ yield? i will yield. you said | something was erroneously yield? i will yield. you said - something was erroneously reported yield? i will yield. you said _ something was erroneously reported - something was erroneously reported — what were _ something was erroneously reported — what were you referring to? |
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something was erroneously reported - what were you referring to?— what were you referring to? i was... the context — what were you referring to? i was... the context was _ what were you referring to? i was... the context was the _ what were you referring to? i was... the context was the use _ what were you referring to? i was... the context was the use of - what were you referring to? i was... the context was the use of a - what were you referring to? i was... the context was the use of a ladder| the context was the use of a ladder to get— the context was the use of a ladder to get on— the context was the use of a ladder to get on the building by the shooter _ to get on the building by the shooter. you won't tell us anything but you _ shooter. you won't tell us anything but you will— shooter. you won't tell us anything but you will tell us something that wasn't _ but you will tell us something that wasn't reported accurately. | but you will tell us something that wasn't reported accurately. i am sa ina, wasn't reported accurately. i am saying. sir. _ wasn't reported accurately. i am saying. sir. that _ wasn't reported accurately. i am saying, sir, that there _ wasn't reported accurately. i am saying, sir, that there had - wasn't reported accurately. i am saying, sir, that there had been a number— saying, sir, that there had been a number of— saying, sir, that there had been a number of reports _ saying, sir, that there had been a number of reports out _ saying, sir, that there had been a number of reports out there - saying, sir, that there had been a number of reports out there that| saying, sir, that there had been a . number of reports out there that had been speculation, _ number of reports out there that had been speculation, and _ number of reports out there that had been speculation, and until- number of reports out there that had been speculation, and until we - number of reports out there that had been speculation, and until we havel been speculation, and until we have the actual— been speculation, and until we have the actual facts, _ been speculation, and until we have the actual facts, i— been speculation, and until we have the actual facts, i don't— been speculation, and until we have the actual facts, i don't want - been speculation, and until we have the actual facts, i don't want to - the actual facts, idon't want to report— the actual facts, i don't want to report anything _ the actual facts, i don't want to report anything that _ the actual facts, i don't want to report anything that would - report anything that would contradict _ report anything that would contradict speculation - report anything that would contradict speculation that report anything that would - contradict speculation that has been out there _ contradict speculation that has been out there. the — contradict speculation that has been out there. . .. contradict speculation that has been out there. . ., _, , , out there. the chair recognises the member from _ out there. the chair recognises the member from illinois. _ out there. the chair recognises the member from illinois. thank- out there. the chair recognises the member from illinois. thank you, | out there. the chair recognises the l member from illinois. thank you, mr chairman and — member from illinois. thank you, mr chairman and ranking _ member from illinois. thank you, mr chairman and ranking member. - member from illinois. thank you, mr chairman and ranking member. the. chairman and ranking member. the question i get asked a lot from constituents is, what can congress actually do to stop this from happening again? i would like to share a graphic from a very recent study conducted by professor robert pate, a world—renowned expert in combating political violence. the graphic shows that 74% of americans want this congress to come together to denounce political violence of all stripes. you can tell it is a cross—party dash like it is across party lines. i commend the chair and
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ranking memberfor putting up the statement the other day condemning political violence, and to further this effort, i would like to ask all my colleagues tojoin this effort, i would like to ask all my colleagues to join doctor brad when struck than me in introducing a resolution that we think can secure unanimous house passage in deploring and condemning political violence, and condemning political violence, and we will be circulating that resolution shortly. director cheatle, as you know, the shooter began shooting at 6:11pm eastern. nbc reported that the state police informed the secret service of the concern before. the rally was not posed at that time — correct? hie. posed at that time - correct? no. according — posed at that time - correct? no. according to _ posed at that time - correct? no. according to nbc, _ posed at that time — correct? no. according to nbc, just like minutes later, at 5:53pm, the secret service notified its snipers about the gunman. the rally was not posed at that point either — correct? hie. let
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that point either - correct? no. let me show that point either — correct? no. let me show you footage by rally goers. if you could play the video on the screen here. this was taken two minutes before the shooting started. if you could turn up the volume. he's on the roof! right here, right on the _ he's on the roof! right here, right on the roof! — he's on the roof! right here, right on the roof!— he's on the roof! right here, right on the roof! ., ., , ., on the roof! man, that does not look like suspicious _ on the roof! man, that does not look like suspicious behaviour... - on the roof! man, that does not look like suspicious behaviour... we - on the roof! man, that does not look like suspicious behaviour... we are i like suspicious behaviour... we are 'ust like suspicious behaviour... we are just seeing — like suspicious behaviour... we are just seeing a _ like suspicious behaviour... we are just seeing a video _ like suspicious behaviour... we are just seeing a video of _ like suspicious behaviour... we are just seeing a video of moments - like suspicious behaviour... we are just seeing a video of moments on | just seeing a video of moments on that rally. let's bring in my guest, matthew schmidt, associate professor of national security at the university of new haven in connecticut. we have been watching kimberly cheatle facing questions in the house committee at the start of her statement, very strong words, saying the assassination attempt on donald trump was the most significant operational failure of the security service in decades. she
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said, we failed. she said she takes full responsibility for any security lapse. then later on, she also said she thinks she is the best person to lead the security service at this time. matthew, we heard from the chairman at the beginning, saying his firm belief is that she should resign. there has been a lot of questions over the last hour or so, a lot of detailed questions, and not particularly detailed answers. she keeps referring to this investigation by the fbi, saying we are only nine days in. much to the frustration of the question is, matthew. we seem to have lost my guest. we will go back and listen in to that congressional hearing. she is still facing these questions from the members of the committee, some really strong questionnaires, saying things like, the security service has cut corners regarding resources when it came to donald trump and his team. there were also some questions
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about why donald trump, why it took so long to get him off the stage after the shots rang out. there were questions about why there was no secret service agent on top of the roof at any point during that day. again, kimberly cheatle said she was looking at the advanced processes, and that the building was outside the perimeter. she talked a lot about not having the details to hand when she was asked specifics about the day. we do have my guest, matthew schmidt, now. a lot of the times she was referring to this fbi investigation and said that therefore she did not have the facts to hand and would not give them, and that it was early days in the investigation — what did you make of her responses so far? i investigation - what did you make of her responses so far?— her responses so far? i think it's clear that _ her responses so far? i think it's clear that direct _ her responses so far? i think it's clear that direct mike _ her responses so far? i think it's clear that direct mike is - her responses so far? i think it's clear that direct mike is a - clear that direct mike is a consummate professional here. what she is doing is trying to protect the integrity of this investigation.
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over and over again, that is the rationale she is giving for withholding specific information until she is certain that what she has is factual. i think she is leaving open the door that the responsible decision for her after an open, independent investigation may well be to step down as the director at that time, but not now. like she says, she is the best one to lead this investigation at the moment. .. ., , ., ., ~ moment. yeah, what did you make about what — moment. yeah, what did you make about what she _ moment. yeah, what did you make about what she said _ moment. yeah, what did you make about what she said about - moment. yeah, what did you make about what she said about the - moment. yeah, what did you makej about what she said about the local forces? she said she didn't lay any blame at the door of the local officers. this is the issue between what the local officers were saying was happening and what they were seeing and this issue about a person of concern. and the question about whether trump should have taken to the stage when these local officers had identified a person of concern. what did you make of that? she said because it wasn't said that this person was a threat, that was why donald trump was allowed to take to
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the stage. donald trump was allowed to take to the state. �* .. ~ . donald trump was allowed to take to the state. �* .. ,. , , donald trump was allowed to take to the state. . ., ,. , , ., the stage. again, i think this is a treat the stage. again, i think this is a great question. _ the stage. again, i think this is a great question, and _ the stage. again, i think this is a great question, and the - the stage. again, i think this is a great question, and the answer. the stage. again, i think this is a i great question, and the answer lies somewhere in the larger american law enforcement structure. the secret service comes in and has to work with the fbi and local law enforcement agencies in the american system. so, when you are dividing those lines of responsibility, there is a big question about communication. are they talking to each other because mike is local law enforcement using the same language because my car by describing this person is suspect or as a threat? i think that is really, in some sense, you know, the unsatisfying heart of this matter, where that communication lies. again i think she is having her leadership. she is not thriving local law enforcement under the bus. she is saying, we are going to take a very honest look at this and see where any fault lies, if it is with us, the secret service, or local law enforcement, but i'm not prepared to make those
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statements now. x�*t�*ell but i'm not prepared to make those statements now.— but i'm not prepared to make those statements now. you would determine whether somebody _ statements now. you would determine whether somebody was _ statements now. you would determine whether somebody was a _ statements now. you would determine whether somebody was a threat - statements now. you would determine whether somebody was a threat or - whether somebody was a threat or not? would it be the local officers who would say that they thought that person was a threat or would it be the secret service making a judgment on the basis of the information provided to them from those local officers? �* ., , , ., officers? both sides have the responsibility _ officers? both sides have the responsibility to _ officers? both sides have the responsibility to determine i officers? both sides have the i responsibility to determine that. what happens in those meetings is to lay out a common standard dandy common term usage for local law enforcement to say, we've looked at x, y and z types of behaviour and determine that we will call this a threat. or suspicious behaviour. again, it comes back to this interagency communication, but both have a responsibility to call any person a threat or suspicious. filth. person a threat or suspicious. 0k. thank you — person a threat or suspicious. 0k. thank you so _ person a threat or suspicious. 0k. thank you so much _ person a threat or suspicious. ok. thank you so much for now. thank you for watching that with us very much indeed. matthew schmidt, in
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connecticut. we will keep an eye on what is going on in that congressional hearing. it will be going on for some time. we will take a step away from it for the moment. if you want to continue watching all you want to read up developments, you want to read up developments, you can head to our website, of course. of course, the other major story out of the us here today is that many leading democrats have followed joe biden was likely by backing his vice president, kamala harris, as the party's new presidential nominee for the november elections will stop it follows mr biden has �*s decision to withdraw from the election process just four months before the vote takes place. the latest to fall in line as gretchen whitmer, who is now being touted as a potential vice presidential pick. the governor of illinois has also endorsed her.
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californian governor gavin newsom, another contender, has also endorsed kamala harris. in the next hour, we expect to hear from kamala harris. in the next hour, we expect to hearfrom kamala harris. she will be speaking in a round about five minutes or so. of course, we will bring you that live as it happens. another story that is breaking now — the cost of the uk's now decommissioned rwanda scheme has been revealed. yvette cooper described it in the house of commons is the most shocking waste of taxpayer money she had ever seen. the former conservative's government plan to deport asylum seekers to rwanda was scrapped by sir keir starmer upon his election to government.— starmer upon his election to government. .,., ., ., , government. two and a half years after the previous _ government. two and a half years after the previous government i after the previous government launched it, i can report, it has already cost the british taxpayer £700 million. in orderto
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already cost the british taxpayer £700 million. in order to send just four volunteers. there costs include £290 million payments to rwanda, chartering flights that never took off, detaining people and then releasing them, and paying for more than 1000 civil servants to work on a scheme to send four people. it is the most shocking waste of taxpayers money i have ever seen. looking forward, costs are set to get worse. evenif forward, costs are set to get worse. even if the scheme had ever got going, it is clear it would only cover a minority of arrivals. yet a substantial portion of future costs were fixed because, for example, the annual direct payments to rwanda, contracts, staff and the home office, staff in detention centres and more. the taxpayer would still have to pay up, no matter how few people were relocated. most shocking of all, over the six years of the migration and economic development partnership forecast, the previous
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government has planned to spend over £10 billion of taxpayers' money on the scheme. they did not tell parliament that.— the scheme. they did not tell parliament that. let's go live to westminster _ parliament that. let's go live to westminster and _ parliament that. let's go live to westminster and our _ parliament that. let's go live to westminster and our political. westminster and our political correspondent, ian watson. a lot of money being talked about there. we didn't know this was as high as they are saying, did we? irate didn't know this was as high as they are saying, did we?— didn't know this was as high as they are saying, did we? we didn't, but i think uuite are saying, did we? we didn't, but i think quite clearly _ are saying, did we? we didn't, but i think quite clearly yvette _ are saying, did we? we didn't, but i think quite clearly yvette cooper i are saying, did we? we didn't, but i think quite clearly yvette cooper is l think quite clearly yvette cooper is the new home secretary wants to make it sound as high as you possibly can. previously we had in the public the figures that the rwanda partnership was costing the uk. she pointed out there £290 million has already been paid to rwanda under that scheme. what she was adding on to that was the cost of civil servants administering the scheme here in the uk, the ten attention cost of those about to be resent to rwanda, sometimes released following a court challenge. in a sense, this has added up. the shadow home
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secretary, the former home secretary, the former home secretary, in fact, james cleverley, was responding to the government and accused her of making figures up. he said she was indulging in hyperbole, and also criticised the fact that the cancellation of of a deterrent to prevent people coming here illegally as well. there were lively exchanges in the house of commons. this is a divisive issue and was during the course of the general election. also significantly, yvette cooper was putting down a piece of legislation, something called a statutory instrument, today, which effectively gets read of the government, the previous government because my policy, which said that if people had travelled here by illegal roots, they could not claim asylum in the uk. she is saying that all these people who travelled by illegal routes would now be eligible to have their asylum claims processed. herargument forthis to have their asylum claims processed. her argument for this is quite straightforward — that people were left in limbo, only a very few had been sent to rwanda in any case,
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and they were staying sometimes in hotel accommodation at huge expense to the taxpayer. some will have come from countries regarded as safe and would be from countries regarded as safe and would he therefore eligible to be returned, she claimed that would save the government perhaps up to £7 billion over the next ten years if thatis billion over the next ten years if that is the case. it also means some people who otherwise wouldn't have been eligible to claim asylum will been eligible to claim asylum will be eligible to do so and will probably have their claims granted. 0k, probably have their claims granted. ok, thank you very much for now. let's take you back to washington and we can show you the white house, where people are waiting to hear from vice president kamala harris. she is expected to deliver some remarks to the women and men's national collegiate athletics association champion teams. this perhaps wouldn't normally get the coverage we are going to give it, but of course this is her first public appearance since president joe biden pulled out of the race for
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president and has endorsed kamala harris. of course, throughout the day today, we have been hearing, and last night, we have been hearing significant endorsements from people in the party. several people backing vice president kamala harris now to take on donald trump in the election. one of them in the last hour or so was the governor of michigan, gretchen whitmer, who has added her endorsement to kamala harris. i suppose the question now turns to weather kamala harris might announce her as a running mate. we have matthew schmidt with us, who has been talking about what is going on in congress, and that hearing for the us secret service director, kimberly cheatle. it would be interesting to get your thoughts on everything going on over in washington at the moment. all eyes are on the desk there where kamala harris is expected to come and make her first appearance since that announcement from joe biden. this is such a big moment for her, isn't it?
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what does she need to do to try to convince her party that she is the one they should choose? we've lost matthew schmidt for the moment. we will return to that congress hearing that the oversight and accountability committee, we will return to that because they are hearing from the us secret service director kimberly cheatle. in the meantime, we will go back to the white house lawn in a moment when kamala harris makes her payments, for now let's go back to congress and we can hear kimberly cheatle facing those questions from the house committee about the failures of the secret service during that assassination attempt of donald trump. b. assassination attempt of donald trum. �* . . .. assassination attempt of donald| trump-_ yes- assassination attempt of donald
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trum. �* . . .. yes. ~ , trump. a perceived threat? yes. why do ou trump. a perceived threat? yes. why do you think — trump. a perceived threat? yes. why do you think they _ trump. a perceived threat? yes. why do you think they didn't _ trump. a perceived threat? yes. why do you think they didn't use _ trump. a perceived threat? yes. why do you think they didn't use it? - trump. a perceived threat? yes. why do you think they didn't use it? i -

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