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we are at1'5 here is the problem. we are at 13 days, and you say you have been disclosing. we have the director or the kernel from the pennsylvania state police in front of homeland yesterday. he was candid. he disclosed to us that butler emergency services unit personnel were posted into the windows on the second floor of the building, that they left there to go pursue the person that they spotted, crooks, that they texted a film of crooks to the psp representative at the command centre. that information was relayed to the united states secret service. they asked that it be texted to someone else. it was many minutes before president trump took the stand. why were they not keeping him off the stand? and i know that there is a criminal investigation and you have to wait for it to develop, but do you have any other target of your criminal investigation other than crooks who is dead?
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we are investigating the shooter, both to _ we are investigating the shooter, both to determine his motive and his activities _ both to determine his motive and his activities before the shooting, but also to— activities before the shooting, but also to make sure whether or not there _ also to make sure whether or not there any— also to make sure whether or not there any co—conspirators... at also to make sure whether or not there any co-conspirators. .. at this oint there any co-conspirators. .. at this point have — there any co-conspirators. .. at this point have you _ there any co-conspirators. .. at this point have you developed _ there any co-conspirators. .. at this point have you developed any - point have you developed any evidence to suggest there were any sisters or co—conspirators? hat evidence to suggest there were any sisters or co-conspirators?- sisters or co-conspirators? not at this time. — sisters or co-conspirators? not at this time. but _ sisters or co-conspirators? not at this time, but the _ sisters or co-conspirators? not at this time, but the investigation i sisters or co-conspirators? not at this time, but the investigation is| this time, but the investigation is ongoing — this time, but the investigation is ongoing. so this time, but the investigation is onatoin. �*, this time, but the investigation is onhoin, �*, . ongoing. so here's the thing. while we wait, ongoing. so here's the thing. while we wait. maybe _ ongoing. so here's the thing. while we wait, maybe 4 _ ongoing. so here's the thing. while we wait, maybe 4 months, - ongoing. so here's the thing. while we wait, maybe 4 months, i - ongoing. so here's the thing. while we wait, maybe 4 months, i hate . ongoing. so here's the thing. while | we wait, maybe 4 months, i hate to say this because i am not trying to take a pot shot, but the country went 4 years with the understanding that he hunter biden laptop was russian business nation, was offered by intel officials and the whole time the fbi had the laptop and they let that happen in public before finally offering testimony in a case. to the degree we wait to hear, as a country and as a congress, what has happened in this event because the fbi is conducting an investigation, it provides quarter for the us secret service not perhaps to reconcile with the
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problems that are obvious to everyone. so let's get a couple in, i've got 13 more seconds, one more question. senator grassley says the records of the day show there was a unmanned aerial surveillance operate on site. was there? and why did that person not prevent thomas crooks from being able to use a drone? again, questions about the secret service's— again, questions about the secret service's performance are better directed — service's performance are better directed to those other reviews. what _ directed to those other reviews. what i _ directed to those other reviews. what i can — directed to those other reviews. what i can tell you when it comes to drones— what i can tell you when it comes to drones is— what i can tell you when it comes to drones is set— what i can tell you when it comes to drones is set thomas crooks himself had a _ drones is set thomas crooks himself had a drone — drones is set thomas crooks himself had a drone and i am prepared to answer— had a drone and i am prepared to answer questions here today about the shooter and his use of the drone, — the shooter and his use of the drone, for— the shooter and his use of the drone, for example. my the shooter and his use of the drone, for example.— the shooter and his use of the drone, for example. my time has exired. drone, for example. my time has exnired- we _ drone, for example. my time has expired. we will _ drone, for example. my time has expired. we will recommence - drone, for example. my time has expired. we will recommence inl drone, for example. my time has | expired. we will recommence in 5 minutes. thank _ expired. we will recommence in 5 minutes. thank you, _ expired. we will recommence in 5 minutes. thank you, mr - expired. we will recommence in 5| minutes. thank you, mr chairman. expired. we will recommence in 5 - minutes. thank you, mr chairman. as i said m minutes. thank you, mr chairman. as i said my opening _ minutes. thank you, mr chairman. as i said my opening statement, - i said my opening statement, political violence is a and entirely unacceptable stop last october the far right conspiracy theorist broke into nancy pelosi's home and
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bludgeoned her husband. republicans mocked the attack and promoted conspiracy theories about it. last august a utah man threatened to kill president biden and was killed as fbi agents attempted to serve a warrant on him hours before the present arrived in that state. some claimed he was simply a second of an amendment enthusiast. in recent weeks, those on the far right have... a single war, with some saying that the president in losing the election will take a single war to save the country and it will be saved. the present of the harris foundation likewise said, quote, we are in the process of a second american revolution, which will remain bloodless if he left allows it to be.". it is obvious that we respect amendment protections, but there is clearly a point at which some threats of violence leads to actual violence. could you describe has the how the fbi looks at this in relation to the action you are
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seeing around the country? i seeing around the country? i appreciate a question and this is an issue _ appreciate a question and this is an issue i_ appreciate a question and this is an issue i have — appreciate a question and this is an issue i have been talking about for some _ issue i have been talking about for some time — issue i have been talking about for some time. in our view, there issue i have been talking about for some time. in ourview, there is issue i have been talking about for some time. in our view, there is a right— some time. in our view, there is a right way— some time. in our view, there is a right way and _ some time. in our view, there is a right way and a wrong way, and the first amendment, to express your views, _ first amendment, to express your views, no— first amendment, to express your views, no matter how passionate or even _ views, no matter how passionate or even angry— views, no matter how passionate or even angry you are. and violence and threats— even angry you are. and violence and threats of— even angry you are. and violence and threats of violence is not the right way _ threats of violence is not the right way and — threats of violence is not the right way. and we don't care what you are upset _ way. and we don't care what you are upset about — way. and we don't care what you are upset about or who you are upset with when, — upset about or who you are upset with when, from the fbi's perspective, when it turns to threats — perspective, when it turns to threats of— perspective, when it turns to threats of violence and violence, that is _ threats of violence and violence, that is when we have to draw the line, _ that is when we have to draw the tine. that — that is when we have to draw the tine. that is _ that is when we have to draw the line, that is when we get engaged. and there — line, that is when we get engaged. and there is an alarming phenomenon that we _ and there is an alarming phenomenon that we have seen over the last several — that we have seen over the last several years of that kind of passion _ several years of that kind of passion and heated rhetoric turning into actuat— passion and heated rhetoric turning into actual violence and threats of violence — into actual violence and threats of violence. we have seen it against public _ violence. we have seen it against public officials of all sorts, we have — public officials of all sorts, we have seen _ public officials of all sorts, we have seen it against law enforcement. the number of officers shot and _
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enforcement. the number of officers shot and killed in the line of duty in this— shot and killed in the line of duty in this country is, frankly, outrageous and alarming. and i know that because every time an officer is shot— that because every time an officer is shot and — that because every time an officer is shot and killed anywhere in this country. _ is shot and killed anywhere in this country, since the day i started as fbi director, i personally call the chief— fbi director, i personally call the chief or— fbi director, i personally call the chief or the sheriff to express my condolences and to talk to them about— condolences and to talk to them about the — condolences and to talk to them about the victims' family and the number— about the victims' family and the number of— about the victims' family and the number of those shootings that are ambush _ number of those shootings that are ambush related, meaning somebody is targeting _ ambush related, meaning somebody is targeting law enforcement because they are _ targeting law enforcement because they are law enforcement, is particularly alarming. i have made around _ particularly alarming. i have made around 400 of those phone calls. it is almost _ around 400 of those phone calls. it is almost every 5 days that a law enforcement officer is killed in the line enforcement officer is killed in the tine of— enforcement officer is killed in the line of duty. and that is an example of the _ line of duty. and that is an example of the kind — line of duty. and that is an example of the kind of ways in which passions— of the kind of ways in which passions and heated rhetoric can bubbte _ passions and heated rhetoric can bubble over into violence.- bubble over into violence. thank ou. bubble over into violence. thank you- members — bubble over into violence. thank you. members of— bubble over into violence. thank you. members of congress, - bubble over into violence. thank| you. members of congress, their families and staff have witnessed a rise in threats against them. i appreciate the work your agency has done to investigate and address
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these threats, but i'm concerned we do not seem to be stemming the tide. what is the fbi doing to ensure that members of congress, their families and staff are safe? we members of congress, their families and staff are safe?— and staff are safe? we have a very close relationship _ and staff are safe? we have a very close relationship with _ and staff are safe? we have a very close relationship with the - and staff are safe? we have a very close relationship with the capitol| close relationship with the capitol uotice _ close relationship with the capitol police and we have members of the capitol— police and we have members of the capitol police, for example, who are on some _ capitol police, for example, who are on some of— capitol police, for example, who are on some of our task forces, we share intelligence, — on some of our task forces, we share intelligence, information about things— intelligence, information about things that we are seeing, trends we are seeing _ things that we are seeing, trends we are seeing with capitol police and others _ are seeing with capitol police and others in — are seeing with capitol police and others in law enforcement. obviously as we _ others in law enforcement. obviously as we have _ others in law enforcement. obviously as we have specific information about _ as we have specific information about an — as we have specific information about an effort to target a member of congress, then we are getting with capitol police in a much more specific— with capitol police in a much more specific way, but those are some of the things— specific way, but those are some of the things we're doing.— the things we're doing. thank you. director, the things we're doing. thank you. director. your— the things we're doing. thank you. director, your office _ the things we're doing. thank you. director, your office is _ the things we're doing. thank you. director, your office is leading - the things we're doing. thank you. director, your office is leading the | director, your office is leading the investigation into the attempted assassination of the donald trump. republicans in congress, including members of this committee, have repeatedly... defunding the fbi. what if it would defunding the fbi or limiting your funds have on the fbi's ability to conduct these investigations? i
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fbi's ability to conduct these investigations?— fbi's ability to conduct these investi . ations? , . investigations? i understand there are heated views _ investigations? i understand there are heated views and _ investigations? i understand there are heated views and opinions - investigations? i understand there l are heated views and opinions about us, just— are heated views and opinions about us, just like — are heated views and opinions about us, just like there are about every institution — us, just like there are about every institution in today's america, but cutting _ institution in today's america, but cutting our— institution in today's america, but cutting our funding is incredibly short—sighted and the people it realty— short—sighted and the people it really hurts our state and local law enforcement and the american people we are _ enforcement and the american people we are sworn to protect.— we are sworn to protect. during the remainin: we are sworn to protect. during the remaining time _ we are sworn to protect. during the remaining time i _ we are sworn to protect. during the remaining time i want _ we are sworn to protect. during the remaining time i want to _ we are sworn to protect. during the remaining time i want to turn - we are sworn to protect. during the remaining time i want to turn to - we are sworn to protect. during the remaining time i want to turn to a l remaining time i want to turn to a different matter. in recent days republican members of congress have attacked presidential nominee, harris�*s quote, as a dti candidate, which presumably is code for a woman of person and colour. it is not a new feeling for them, claiming it because of the initiatives the fbi is no longer, quote, hiring the best and brightest candidates to become special agents. with my remaining time, can you please answer the following questions. is it true that hiring women and people of colour means the fbi is no longer hiring the best and brightest to service law enforcement officers? there any evidence that would women and people of colour are less effective in law and rollswhat message does it send
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to prospective advocates when the leaders hire them make decisions solely based on gender? about; leaders hire them make decisions solely based on gender? any notion that we have _ solely based on gender? any notion that we have lowered _ solely based on gender? any notion that we have lowered our _ solely based on gender? any notion that we have lowered our hiring - that we have lowered our hiring standards — that we have lowered our hiring standards isjust not accurate. in fact, _ standards isjust not accurate. in fact, our— standards isjust not accurate. in fact, our standards are as competitive and selective as ever. we have _ competitive and selective as ever. we have tens of thousands of people applying _ we have tens of thousands of people applying and are selection rate is about— applying and are selection rate is about 3.1%, which is more selective thanjust_ about 3.1%, which is more selective thanjust about any about 3.1%, which is more selective than just about any university in the country. and most of our applicants, i think something like 50% of— applicants, i think something like 50% of them are coming from military or law— 50% of them are coming from military or law enforcement background, about 50% of _ or law enforcement background, about 50% of them also have advanced degrees — 50% of them also have advanced degrees. the average age is around 31, degrees. the average age is around 31. which— degrees. the average age is around 31, which means they are bringing a wealth— 31, which means they are bringing a wealth of— 31, which means they are bringing a wealth of personal and professional experience when they arrive. to suggest — experience when they arrive. to suggest that those people because of efforts _ suggest that those people because of efforts related to diversity or anything like that, are less qualified, frankly, is not at all consistent with what i see, having visited _ consistent with what i see, having visited all— consistent with what i see, having visited all of our field officers and seen _ visited all of our field officers and seen these young people in action, — and seen these young people in
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action, i— and seen these young people in action, i think it is an insult to those — action, i think it is an insult to those hard—working men and women who have signed _ those hard—working men and women who have signed up to dedicate their lives _ have signed up to dedicate their lives for— have signed up to dedicate their lives for this country.— have signed up to dedicate their lives for this country. thank you, director, yelled _ lives for this country. thank you, director, yelled back. _ lives for this country. thank you, director, yelled back. director, l lives for this country. thank you, | director, yelled back. director, let me aet director, yelled back. director, let me get back _ director, yelled back. director, let me get back to — director, yelled back. director, let me get back to mr _ director, yelled back. director, let me get back to mr bishop. - director, yelled back. director, let me get back to mr bishop. tell - director, yelled back. director, let| me get back to mr bishop. tell me about— me get back to mr bishop. tell me about the — me get back to mr bishop. tell me about the drone, _ me get back to mr bishop. tell me about the drone, you _ me get back to mr bishop. tell me about the drone, you actually - me get back to mr bishop. tell me i about the drone, you actually wanted to fill us— about the drone, you actually wanted to fill us in— about the drone, you actually wanted to fill us in on— about the drone, you actually wanted to fill us in on that, _ about the drone, you actually wanted to fill us in on that, so _ about the drone, you actually wanted to fill us in on that, so fill _ about the drone, you actually wanted to fill us in on that, so fill us - to fill us in on that, so fill us in. to fill us in on that, so fill us in, ., to fill us in on that, so fill us in. . . ., to fill us in on that, so fill us in. so we have recovered a drone that the shooter _ in. so we have recovered a drone that the shooter appears - in. so we have recovered a drone that the shooter appears to - in. so we have recovered a drone that the shooter appears to have | that the shooter appears to have used _ that the shooter appears to have used it— that the shooter appears to have used it is— that the shooter appears to have used. it is being exploited and analysed — used. it is being exploited and analysed by the fbi lab. the drone was recovered in his vehicle, so at the time _ was recovered in his vehicle, so at the time of— was recovered in his vehicle, so at the time of shooting, the drone was in his— the time of shooting, the drone was in his vehicle with the controller. in in his vehicle with the controller. in addition, — in his vehicle with the controller. in addition, our investigation has uncovered... do in addition, our investigation has uncovered. . ._ in addition, our investigation has uncovered... ,, ., . uncovered... do you know what time of da he uncovered... do you know what time of day he flew _ uncovered... do you know what time of day he flew it, _ uncovered... do you know what time of day he flew it, if _ uncovered... do you know what time of day he flew it, if you _ uncovered... do you know what time of day he flew it, if you float - uncovered... do you know what time of day he flew it, if you float on - of day he flew it, if you float on the day — of day he flew it, if you float on the day of — of day he flew it, if you float on the day of the... _ of day he flew it, if you float on the day of the... in _ of day he flew it, if you float on the day of the. . ._ the day of the. .. in addition, it a- ears the day of the. .. in addition, it appears that — the day of the. .. in addition, it appears that around _ the day of the. .. in addition, it appears that around 3:50pm . the day of the. .. in addition, it| appears that around 3:50pm or the day of the. .. in addition, it - appears that around 3:50pm or for pm, appears that around 3:50pm or for pm. in— appears that around 3:50pm or for pm. in that — appears that around 3:50pm or for pm, in that window, on the day of the shooting, that the shooter was flying _ the shooting, that the shooter was flying the — the shooting, that the shooter was flying the drone around the area... two hoursm — flying the drone around the area... two hours- - -_
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flying the drone around the area... two hours... want to be clear when i sa the two hours... want to be clear when i say the area- — two hours... want to be clear when i say the area. not _ two hours. .. want to be clear when i say the area. not over— two hours... want to be clear when i say the area. not over the _ two hours... want to be clear when i say the area. not over the stage - two hours... want to be clear when i say the area. not over the stage and | say the area. not over the stage and that part _ say the area. not over the stage and that part of— say the area. not over the stage and that part of the area, i would say about _ that part of the area, i would say about 200 — that part of the area, i would say about 200 yards, give or take, away from _ about 200 yards, give or take, away from that, _ about 200 yards, give or take, away from that, we think, but we do not know, _ from that, we think, but we do not know. so— from that, we think, but we do not know, so again, this is one of these things— know, so again, this is one of these things are _ know, so again, this is one of these things are disqualified because of our ongoing review, but he was livestreaming and viewing the footage — livestreaming and viewing the footage from, again, about 11 minutes— footage from, again, about 11 minutes around the 3:50pm or for pm rangem _ minutes around the 3:50pm or for pm rante. .. ., minutes around the 3:50pm or for pm rante... ., ., , , ., , range... two hours before, he is fl int range... two hours before, he is fl in: a range... two hours before, he is flying a drone — range... two hours before, he is flying a drone in _ range... two hours before, he is flying a drone in the _ range... two hours before, he is flying a drone in the vicinity? - range... two hours before, he is| flying a drone in the vicinity? two hours away- _ flying a drone in the vicinity? two hours away- 0k. _ flying a drone in the vicinity? two hours away. ok, that _ flying a drone in the vicinity? two hours away. ok, that is _ flying a drone in the vicinity? two| hours away. ok, that is important information- _ hours away. ok, that is important information. what _ hours away. ok, that is important information. what about - hours away. ok, that is important information. what about the - hours away. ok, that is important i information. what about the bombs hours away. ok, that is important - information. what about the bombs we have heard _ information. what about the bombs we have heard about _ information. what about the bombs we have heard about in _ information. what about the bombs we have heard about in the _ information. what about the bombs we have heard about in the shooter's - have heard about in the shooter's car? _ have heard about in the shooter's car? �* . �* have heard about in the shooter's car? �* ., �* , have heard about in the shooter's car? ~ . �* , , ., car? again, the fbi is exploring those explosive _ car? again, the fbi is exploring those explosive devices. - car? again, the fbi is exploring those explosive devices. we . car? again, the fbi is exploring l those explosive devices. we have recovered — those explosive devices. we have recovered 3 devices, two in his vehicle — recovered 3 devices, two in his vehicle and _ recovered 3 devices, two in his vehicle and one back in his residence.— vehicle and one back in his residence. �* , . , ., residence. are these what your exerts residence. are these what your experts would _ residence. are these what your experts would call _ residence. are these what your| experts would call sophisticated operations— experts would call sophisticated operations or? _ experts would call sophisticated operations or? i— experts would call sophisticated operations or? i don't _ experts would call sophisticated operations or? i don't know, - experts would call sophisticated i operations or? i don't know, that experts would call sophisticated - operations or? i don't know, that is what _ operations or? i don't know, that is what i _ operations or? i don't know, that is what i have — operations or? idon't know, that is what i have been— operations or? i don't know, that is what i have been told _ operations or? idon't know, that is what i have been told by— operations or? i don't know, that is what i have been told by people - operations or? i don't know, that is| what i have been told by people who perhaps _ what i have been told by people who perhaps have — what i have been told by people who perhaps have some _ what i have been told by people who perhaps have some understanding . what i have been told by people who| perhaps have some understanding of this area _
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perhaps have some understanding of this area. . ~ 3 ~ this area. yes, i think it's... we have seen _ this area. yes, i think it's... we have seen more _ this area. yes, i think it's... we have seen more sophisticated i this area. yes, i think it's. .. we l have seen more sophisticated and less _ have seen more sophisticated and less i_ have seen more sophisticated and less. i would say these are relatively, again, keyword, relatively, again, keyword, relatively crude devices themselves, but they— relatively crude devices themselves, but they did have the ability to be detonated remotely, so to that point, — detonated remotely, so to that point, in — detonated remotely, so to that point, in addition to the two devices _ point, in addition to the two devices we recovered out of vehicle, there _ devices we recovered out of vehicle, there were _ devices we recovered out of vehicle, there were receivers for those two explosive — there were receivers for those two explosive devices, with the devices and then— explosive devices, with the devices and then on the shooter himself, when _ and then on the shooter himself, when he — and then on the shooter himself, when he was killed by law enforcement, he had a transmitter with him — enforcement, he had a transmitter with him. now, i do want to add one more _ with him. now, i do want to add one more important point here. at the moment— more important point here. at the moment it — more important point here. at the moment it looks to us, again, ongoing — moment it looks to us, again, ongoing review and i cannot say that enough _ ongoing review and i cannot say that enough times, at the moment it looks like the, _ enough times, at the moment it looks like the, because of the 1— off position— like the, because of the 1— off position on the receivers, that if he had _ position on the receivers, that if he had tried to detonate those devices — he had tried to detonate those devices from the roof, it would not have _ devices from the roof, it would not have worked. but that doesn't mean the explosives were not dangerous. i'm the explosives were not dangerous. i'm sure _ the explosives were not dangerous. i'm sure we'll get into all the
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subject— i'm sure we'll get into all the subject a _ i'm sure we'll get into all the subject a bit— i'm sure we'll get into all the subject a bit later _ i'm sure we'll get into all the subject a bit later as - i'm sure we'll get into all the subject a bit later as well. i i'm sure we'll get into all the i subject a bit later as well. tell i'm sure we'll get into all the - subject a bit later as well. tell us what _ subject a bit later as well. tell us what you — subject a bit later as well. tell us what you can _ subject a bit later as well. tell us what you can about _ subject a bit later as well. tell us what you can about the _ subject a bit later as well. tell us what you can about the encryptor platforms — what you can about the encryptor platforms we _ what you can about the encryptor platforms we have _ what you can about the encryptor platforms we have heard - what you can about the encryptor platforms we have heard about. i what you can about the encryptor - platforms we have heard about. so... one of the things _ platforms we have heard about. so... one of the things we _ platforms we have heard about. so... one of the things we are _ platforms we have heard about. one of the things we are drilling into hard — one of the things we are drilling into hard with the shooter in an effort _ into hard with the shooter in an effort to— into hard with the shooter in an effort to try to learn more about his state — effort to try to learn more about his state of mind, his motives, his ideology— his state of mind, his motives, his ideology context and everything else, _ ideology context and everything else, is— ideology context and everything else, is to look at his devices, any social— else, is to look at his devices, any social media — else, is to look at his devices, any social media accounts he had, etc. and one _ social media accounts he had, etc. and one of— social media accounts he had, etc. and one of the things we have learned — and one of the things we have learned in _ and one of the things we have learned in finally getting into his phone, — learned in finally getting into his phone, which was also a significant tactical— phone, which was also a significant tactical challenge from an encryption perspective, but in addition, _ encryption perspective, but in addition, once we got on the phone, which _ addition, once we got on the phone, which turned out he was using some encrypted _ which turned out he was using some encrypted messaging applications. again, _ encrypted messaging applications. again, the same question relative to the bombs, — again, the same question relative to the bombs, was _ again, the same question relative to the bombs, was this— again, the same question relative to the bombs, was this pretty- the bombs, was this pretty sophisticated _ the bombs, was this pretty sophisticated or— the bombs, was this pretty sophisticated or is - the bombs, was this pretty sophisticated or is this - the bombs, was this pretty| sophisticated or is this kind the bombs, was this pretty. sophisticated or is this kind of the bombs, was this pretty- sophisticated or is this kind of the norm _ sophisticated or is this kind of the norm you — sophisticated or is this kind of the norm you see _ sophisticated or is this kind of the norm you see with _ sophisticated or is this kind of the norm you see with folks _ sophisticated or is this kind of the norm you see with folks in - sophisticated or is this kind of the norm you see with folks in a - sophisticated or is this kind of the i norm you see with folks in a similar situation? — norm you see with folks in a similar situation? on — norm you see with folks in a similar situation? . norm you see with folks in a similar situation? , , , . ., situation? on this sub'ect, i would sa this situation? on this sub'ect, i would say this has — situation? on this subject, i would say this has unfortunately - situation? on this subject, i would say this has unfortunately now - say this has unfortunately now become — say this has unfortunately now become very common place and it is a real challenge for not just the fbi, but for— real challenge for not just the fbi, but for state and local enforcement. tell me _ but for state and local enforcement. tell me the — but for state and local enforcement. tell me the scope, does the scope of
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your investigation— tell me the scope, does the scope of your investigation include _ tell me the scope, does the scope of your investigation include what - tell me the scope, does the scope of your investigation include what i - your investigation include what i call that— your investigation include what i call that critical— your investigation include what i call that critical five _ your investigation include what i call that critical five minutes - your investigation include what i. call that critical five minutes from when _ call that critical five minutes from when the — call that critical five minutes from when the 6:09pm, _ call that critical five minutes from when the 6:09pm, when - call that critical five minutes from when the 6:09pm, when the - call that critical five minutes from i when the 6:09pm, when the shooter call that critical five minutes from - when the 6:09pm, when the shooter is identified _ when the 6:09pm, when the shooter is identified on— when the 6:09pm, when the shooter is identified on the _ when the 6:09pm, when the shooter is identified on the roof _ when the 6:09pm, when the shooter is identified on the roof and _ when the 6:09pm, when the shooter is identified on the roof and 6:14pm - identified on the roof and 6:14pm when _ identified on the roof and 6:14pm when the — identified on the roof and 6:14pm when the president _ identified on the roof and 6:14pm when the president is _ identified on the roof and 6:14pm when the president is escorted i identified on the roof and 6:14me when the president is escorted off and all— when the president is escorted off and all that— when the president is escorted off and all that happens, _ when the president is escorted off and all that happens, the - when the president is escorted off and all that happens, the shots. when the president is escorted off. and all that happens, the shots that take place _ and all that happens, the shots that take place in— and all that happens, the shots that take place in between— and all that happens, the shots that take place in between there. - and all that happens, the shots that take place in between there. do- and all that happens, the shots thatj take place in between there. do you have access — take place in between there. do you have access to — take place in between there. do you have access to the _ take place in between there. do you have access to the communicationsl have access to the communications that were _ have access to the communications that were going _ have access to the communications that were going on— have access to the communications that were going on in— have access to the communications that were going on in the _ have access to the communications that were going on in the time i have access to the communications that were going on in the time at. that were going on in the time at that were going on in the time at that critical— that were going on in the time at that critical five _ that were going on in the time at that critical five minutes? - that were going on in the time at that critical five minutes? our. that criticalfive minutes? our investigation, _ that criticalfive minutes? our investigation, when _ that critical five minutes? investigation, when you say that critical five minutes?“ investigation, when you say scope, our investigation include such timeframe, although focused, again, on the _ timeframe, although focused, again, on the shooter himself. shooter is involved _ on the shooter himself. shooter is involved in— on the shooter himself. shooter is involved in that... he on the shooter himself. shooter is involved in that. . ._ involved in that... he is busily involved in that... he is busily involved in — involved in that... he is busily involved in that _ involved in that... he is busily involved in that timeframe. i involved in that... he is busily i involved in that timeframe. correct, and as part — involved in that timeframe. correct, and as part that. — involved in that timeframe. correct, and as part that, our— involved in that timeframe. correct, and as part that, our investigation l and as part that, our investigation of the _ and as part that, our investigation of the shooter and that attack, of course, _ of the shooter and that attack, of course, we — of the shooter and that attack, of course, we are reviewing law enforcement from the scene because those _ enforcement from the scene because those are _ enforcement from the scene because those are some of the most significant witnesses and we obviously getting access to their materials — obviously getting access to their materials in that kind of thing, so they are — materials in that kind of thing, so they are so — materials in that kind of thing, so they are so fully cooperative... you have access — they are so fully cooperative... you have access to _ they are so fully cooperative... you have access to the _ they are so fully cooperative... you have access to the communications that exist _ have access to the communications that exist there? _ have access to the communications that exist there?— that exist there? that exact question. — that exist there? that exact question. as _ that exist there? that exact question, as i _ that exist there? that exact question, as i sit _ that exist there? that exact question, as i sit here i that exist there? that exact question, as i sit here at i that exist there? that exact| question, as i sit here at the moment— question, as i sit here at the moment i— question, as i sit here at the
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moment i don't know the exact answer to that _ moment i don't know the exact answer to that question, but i know secret service _ to that question, but i know secret service has— to that question, but i know secret service has been cooperative with us. ., , , ., ~ service has been cooperative with us. congress would like access to those medications _ us. congress would like access to those medications as _ us. congress would like access to those medications as well, i us. congress would like access to i those medications as well, although notjust_ those medications as well, although not just those — those medications as well, although not just those five _ those medications as well, although notjust those five minutes, - not just those five minutes, although— not just those five minutes, although that _ not just those five minutes, although that is _ not just those five minutes, although that is the - not just those five minutes, although that is the criticall although that is the critical timeframe. _ although that is the critical timeframe, there - although that is the critical timeframe, there are i although that is the critical timeframe, there are lotsi timeframe, there are lots communications - timeframe, there are lots communications we - timeframe, there are lots| communications we would timeframe, there are lots i communications we would like timeframe, there are lots - communications we would like to timeframe, there are lots _ communications we would like to have access— communications we would like to have access to _ communications we would like to have access to it— communications we would like to have access to it all — communications we would like to have access to it all i— communications we would like to have access to it all. i see _ communications we would like to have access to it all. i see my— communications we would like to have access to it all. i see my time - communications we would like to have access to it all. i see my time is - access to it all. i see my time is up. _ access to it all. i see my time is up. they— access to it all. i see my time is up. they are _ access to it all. i see my time is up, they are called _ access to it all. i see my time is up, they are called votes - access to it all. i see my time is up, they are called votes on i access to it all. i see my time is up, they are called votes on the floor. _ up, they are called votes on the floor. soak— up, they are called votes on the floor, soak committee - up, they are called votes on the floor, soak committee will- up, they are called votes on the | floor, soak committee will stand recess _ floor, soak committee will stand recess until— floor, soak committee will stand recess until votes— floor, soak committee will stand recess until votes conclude i floor, soak committee will stand recess until votes conclude on i floor, soak committee will stand i recess until votes conclude on the floor _ that session going into recess. really fascinating, the fbi's director taking questions and a lot of the questions really pointed, just like we had when we had to be questioning on monday of the security service's director there before her resignation. but christopher wray are being asked how many shots were actually fired, he replied saying they have recovered eight cartridges. they were talking and he was asked, were there any co—conspirators? he said they were investigating that, not at this
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time. he investigated flying a drone and that was a fascinating answer, thomas crooks, who had flown a drone 200 yards away from that stage donald trump had been on two hours before the former president started speaking, livestreaming from that drone. and christopher wray talking about the alarming phenomena now developing in the us where heated rhetoric is spilling over into violence. he was also asked about the standards of fbi personnel and he said they were higher standards, not lower standards and he found it insulting, all the suggestions that diversity and questions around that had led to any sort of diminishing of the types of people they were actually hiring. so some of the key questions and answers fair from christopher wray. unlike monday, questions and answers fair from christopherwray. unlike monday, he seemed much more open in terms of trying to share information there with the lawmakers. of course, on monday there was so much frustration at the answers they were getting
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from the secret service director. more on that in the next little while. but now let's return to our main story because the israeli prime minister... more now on our top story, because for a record fourth time, the israeli prime minister will address thejoint houses of the us congress. benjamin netanyahu, who is due to speak later, said that he is seeking to bolster bipartisan support for israel. it comes amid protests regarding his handling of the war in gaza. you can see live pictures of the people gathering to protest this. so we continue to watch as those crowds develop, a number of lawmakers already making clear they will boycott today's speech by benjamin netanyahu. speaking of the israeli prime minister, let me show you the pictures because he is speaking currently at a memorial service for joe lieberman, the former us senator
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who died here of course, and ran as the vice presidential candidate with al gore. that memorial service taking place at the moment and benjamin netanyahu who is here at washington asked to speak at that event. we will get more on all of that here on the programme in a moment or two, but around the world and across the uk, you're watching bbc news.
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welcome back to bbc news. as promised, let's return to washington and let me put those live pictures back up on the screen because more and more protesters gathering there on capitol hill in the hours leading up on capitol hill in the hours leading up to benjamin netanyahu's address to congress. let speak for the next few minutes to... let's speak to kirsten fontenrose, a former senior director at the us national security council and a non—resident fellow at the atlantic council. welcome to the programme. what are
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you expecting from the israeli prime minister a little later? i you expecting from the israeli prime minister a little later?— minister a little later? i think prime minister _ minister a little later? i think prime minister netanyahu i minister a little later? i think prime minister netanyahu is | minister a little later? i think i prime minister netanyahu is going minister a little later? i think - prime minister netanyahu is going to be speaking to several audiences while he stands in front of congress. of course, the us congress, where support for israel is a bipartisan issue, but support for maintaining israel's war is quite divisive. he will also be speaking to us voters. as you mentioned, the protesters standing outside, this is an emotional issue for us voters, but interestingly this is really not figured in the way voters have been speaking in polling about the way they will vote, so he will have to make the decision about whether it is a good idea to raise greater awareness of this issue to american voters right before the presidential election or to try to tamp down some of their concerns or keep this off their radar, while most focus on issues like the us economy and immigration. he will also be speaking to his domestic audience, which of course is divided on the issue of whether they should continue prior prioritise hostages versus the
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destruction of hamas, it has to be a mutually exclusive choice, or he will be speaking to the airfield, countries like the uae, which hosted a secret meeting last week between american... and israeli officials... and of course you will be speaking to tehran as the sponsors of most of the france that israel is fighting now, to include the houthis as well as hamas. ~ . . now, to include the houthis as well as hamas. ~ . , i. now, to include the houthis as well as hamas. ~ . , , ., . ., as hamas. what is your reading of the situation _ as hamas. what is your reading of the situation here? _ as hamas. what is your reading of the situation here? because i as hamas. what is your reading of| the situation here? because camel harasses on the campaign trail, we saw some of those dramatic change moments in the us on friday withjoe biden dropping out of the race. how much does that change the approach to the middle east with this election approaching in november? it election approaching in november? it could change at quite a bit because kamala harris now is the nominee has the chance to reset what she says will be a harris policy towards the middle east. and she has been quite
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outspoken in terms of her support for the palestinian people, whereas they have almost played good cop, bad cop in the biden— harris campaign with biden being a self anointed scientist. so she could reset. however, she still has to win an election and she needs to fund raise. it is not popular in america to say things during election season that would put the safety of israel at risk because it is just not what the american people say, america tends to be very pro the support for the right of israel to exist and defend itself, so she will have to walk a fine line here, she will be speaking to a younger demographic who will be looking for her to support the palestinian cause and will be looking for her to offer specifics on how she would curtail us support to israel, potentially, if she doesn't find that they operate within us, you know, restrictions on use of their weaponry and the like. it is tough because she probably doesn't want to say things that will lessen her
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ability to fund raise right now, but she is going to try to win back 100,000 uncommitted voters in the state of michigan who decided not to put biden on their primary ballot. yes, so that will play and we are seeing pictures of kamel harris in the last few minutes because she is setting off to indiana, her latest campaign stop. so a fine balance, and it always is with us politics when it comes to israel and the middle east, but it is fascinating to see if sunday's change, just how much that changes the behind—the—scenes pressure on israel's prime minister. let me ask you a final question, something that relates to what we were listening to with the fbi directorjust a few minutes ago. he was being questioned about the assassination attempt. that information about flying a drone 200 metres from the stage two hours before the former president spoke. when you heard just that basic detail, what sprang to your mind? ~ . .
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basic detail, what sprang to your mind? ~ . , , . , mind? what is interesting about this is the will mind? what is interesting about this is they will probably _ mind? what is interesting about this is they will probably be _ mind? what is interesting about this is they will probably be able - mind? what is interesting about this is they will probably be able to i is they will probably be able to pull quite a bit of data from that drone because every drone operator in the state of pennsylvania does have to register their drone with the state and they also have to abide by a few laws, they have to keep the drone within a line of sight and operated under 400 feet, they have do operated as a manned aircraft and they cannot fly it over people or aircraft, so we will see whether he violated any of these, which will tell them, did he use this drone in a way that was knowledgeable of local drone laws or did you violate, did it look like this is a first—time use, purely for the point of surveilling this incident? or is this something he did regularly, which would not have raised hackles that he had a history of flying drones according local laws? it would not have caused alarm, would not have raised a red flag. but if he did not, then with that. , flag. but if he did not, then with that, , ., . flag. but if he did not, then with that. , .,. flag. but if he did not, then with that. , , that. sorry to cut across you, but we are running — that. sorry to cut across you, but
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we are running out _ that. sorry to cut across you, but we are running out of— that. sorry to cut across you, but we are running out of time i that. sorry to cut across you, but we are running out of time in i that. sorry to cut across you, but we are running out of time in ourj we are running out of time in our programme, but thank you forjoining us here in bbc news. i want to squeeze in one more story, it is an important story because a video that shows the british olympian charlotte dujardin repeatedly whipping her horse has now been made public. the dressage star has been provisionally suspended by the sport's governing body, and she's pulled out of this summer's olympics, saying she's deeply ashamed of what she called "an error ofjudgement". our sports correspondent in paris, laura scott has more on this development. the major development this morning is the emergence of that video, which is at the heart of this story which has rocked british sport and has led to the withdrawal of charlotte dujardin from the olympics here in paris. now, in that video, she can be seen repeatedly whipping the horse. i should add that the use of the whip is permitted in equestrian sport, but the behaviour in this video is something that dujardin herself says that she is sincerely sorry for, that it was out of character and an error ofjudgment. so what follows now? well, there is an investigation
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by the world equestrian federation which is ongoing now. now, this video was provided to us by a dutch lawyer on behalf of an undisclosed complainant. that was laura scott in paris. we will have more on that story and all the rest of our headline stories here on bbc news injust a moment or two, don't go away. good afternoon. the air is still feeling rather muggy and humid. there is a lot of moisture in it. plenty of cloud as well for the rest of the day, fixed out towards the west and producing showery outbreaks of rain, most of it light at a
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patchy. the best of the sunshine further east, eastern england, east of the high ground and eastern scotland in particular. we do have a more active feature pushing heavy downpours of rain into western wales and south—west england as we head into the late afternoon, showers for north—east england, north—west scotland and northern ireland, but lots of dry weather around as well and we will keep the sunshine for north—east scotland and down through parts of lincolnshire and south—east england, perhaps where we see the sun the temperatures will be boosted to 24 degrees, but cooler under the cloud further west. tonight still plenty of cloud and patchy rain pushing used, heavy downpours possibly across the far north of scotland and will feel muggy tonight, uncomfortable for sleep. we are keeping that high dew point of their two tomorrow, but it will turn a bit breezy, a westerly wind picking up again, a couple of very active fronts gradually pushing further east across the uk, bringing
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heavy downpours of rain across the far south coast and the channel islands, eventually perhaps into kent by the afternoon. more showers, possibly heavy and thundery, across the far north—west of scotland, into northern ireland, some in cumbria. lots of dry weather, particularly for essentials wave, east yorkshire, again we could see sunny spells later and that could help boost the temperature to 24 degrees. but friday looks drier, but a different feel to things. you have lost that muqqy feel to things. you have lost that muggy air, so it will be feeling fresher, showers in the north and west, but for much of england and wales it looks dry and again there will be sunny spells, territories here in the high teens or low 20s the most. then as we look forward to the most. then as we look forward to the weekend high—pressure out towards the south—west is starting towards the south—west is starting to build in, is still some more showers in the north and west, potentially, on saturday, but lots of dry weather as well, temperatures gradually rising as we head through the weekend, goodbye.
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they want to boycott the speech, the fourth the israeli prime minister has made to congress. joe biden will speak to the nation later tonight — he'll explain why he's decided to drop out of the presidential race. kamala harris steps up her campaign for the white house. wisconsin last night — indiana in a few hours' time. we'll be there live. and a distressing video is made public showing the british olympic star charlotte dujardin repeatedly whipping a horse. she says she's deeply ashamed, and has withdrawn from the paris olympics. hello, i'm matthew amroliwala. we start in washington, where israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu is preparing to address thejoint houses of congress later — amid protests over his handling of the war in gaza. amid protests over his handling on his first trip since the attack by hamas on october the 7th,
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