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made in new delhi, that will happen tomorrow or saturday, but in the meantime i have been exploring just how remarkable this blanket bog landscape is. the landscape of the flow country is truly epic, stretching across virtually the whole of the north highlands. but to really understand it, you need to get in real close. it's only then you see some of the 29 different bog building moss species. there are carnivorous plants here, including these sundews. and all this plant life supports lots of insect species. then there are all the rare birds and other animals in this extraordinary place. the flow country represents 5% of all blanket bog resource in the world, but it's also in really good condition compared to other places, so it's a brilliant, brilliant example of what a blanket bog can look like and the type
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of species that you can be find here. and that's not the only thing that makes this ecosystem unique. these peat bogs are also an incredible store of carbon, aren't they? they are, they're amazing — in the flow country alone, we have more than 400 million tonnes of carbon storage here, an incredible amount. so 400 million tonnes, just to put that in perspective, it's very roughly twice the amount of carbon stored in all the trees in the uk. and we can show you why, can't we? look at this! this will show you why there's so much carbon, just look how deep this bog is. and this isn't even all! here we go! six metres. in some of the remote parts of the bog, the peat is ten metres deep, isn't it? ten metres deep. there is restoration work under way to repair damage from conifer plantations. this is a broch, an almost 3,000—year—old dwelling place.
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it's a really ancient landscape... the bid team say world heritage status would bring huge benefits to the area. it would bring a lot morejobs, because obviously there would be more restoration activities going on, there will also be a real boom in tourism, and finally there will be more research done, so better understanding of how to manage and how to protect these ecosystems going forward. getting world heritage status would be great news for this place, but also for peatlands worldwide — bringing bogs the international acclaim they deserve. justin rowlatt, bbc news, the flow country. time for a look at the weather. here's louise lear. officers since the incident, what have they told you? that officers since the incident, what have they told you?— have they told you? that officer obviously didn't _ have they told you? that officer obviously didn't know _ have they told you? that officer obviously didn't know his - have they told you? that officer obviously didn't know his role. l have they told you? that officer l obviously didn't know his role. he snapped. whatever reason. we don't know what led up to him having to
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use the taser on that individual. he should have handcuffed the person, let them sit up, take them away. but he tasered him and then he kicked him. itjust shows, if people don't know their role they can easily overstep the mark.— know their role they can easily overstep the mark. could he at any oint in overstep the mark. could he at any point in that _ overstep the mark. could he at any point in that incident, _ overstep the mark. could he at any point in that incident, the - overstep the mark. could he at any point in that incident, the officer, l point in that incident, the officer, have thought that the man was armed? they always have to think that but there was nothing to suggest that anyone was armed. they already had their tasers and had done their assessment. he is the contact person. there was the observation officers to make sure that no one brandishes a weapon of one form or another but the fact that he was so disproportionate and unnecessary, in my eyes... disproportionate and unnecessary, in m e es... ~ . ., ., my eyes... what if he thought one of the men was — my eyes... what if he thought one of the men was going _ my eyes... what if he thought one of the men was going to _ my eyes... what if he thought one of the men was going to grab _ my eyes... what if he thought one of the men was going to grab his - my eyes... what if he thought one of the men was going to grab his gun? l the men was going to grab his gun? he was nowhere near it. the really
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strange thing is he went down, after he kicked him he went down with his knee. if someone was going to grab a gun, he put himself in proximity. he then moves onto else and kicked someone and hit them on the back of the head. �* , �* ., someone and hit them on the back of the head. �* , �* . ., , someone and hit them on the back of the head. �* , �* . .,, the head. andy burnham has said that there is context, that _ the head. andy burnham has said that there is context, that he _ the head. andy burnham has said that there is context, that he has - the head. andy burnham has said that there is context, that he has seen - there is context, that he has seen all of the video, which many of us haven't, that it is a fast escalating situation, it is armed police at an airport who are on eight heightened state of alert. so they are operating to a different standard to the police on the street. is that important context? the stress level and the alertness they have to have, fully on, but in terms of a different standard, no. they should be even better at keeping their heads because they have a lot more training, in the recruitment phase, the views they have to go through, psychometric
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testing. have to go through, psychometric testinu. , ., . , testing. there is a culture in these units. testing. there is a culture in these units- that's _ testing. there is a culture in these units. that's the _ testing. there is a culture in these units. that's the problem. - testing. there is a culture in these units. that's the problem. you - testing. there is a culture in these j units. that's the problem. you can have as much _ units. that's the problem. you can have as much training _ units. that's the problem. you can have as much training as _ units. that's the problem. you can have as much training as you - units. that's the problem. you can have as much training as you want| have as much training as you want but if the culture is so strong... in these elite units, as they call themselves, there is a subculture and a lot of it can be around, we are in control, we escalate things and we go in. the majority of armed officers are excellent. i've worked with them and spoken to them over the last day or so. they know that things can escalate but we have to keepin things can escalate but we have to keep in the realms of your legal powers and show that professionalism... kicking someone in the face is on the role of a police officer.— in the face is on the role of a police officer. what do you know about the culture _ police officer. what do you know about the culture at _ police officer. what do you know about the culture at greater- about the culture at greater manchester police specifically? well, gmp has got similar things to the metropolitan police, it is a municipal force, the metropolitan police, it is a municipalforce, it has an institutional arrogance in many ways because of the special
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responsibilities they have in their geographical area. unfortunately they are in a similar state, special measures or they are going out of it but they still have some real issues around the culture. the real thing that feels so many good things, but some negative things and if you don't have checks and balances like sergeants and inspectors to hold the officers to account, you have a problem and we saw it with carrick and sarah everard, and wayne couzens, who murdered her, you have these type of units and they aren't exposed to accountability like general patrol officers.- exposed to accountability like general patrol officers. we'll come back to that- _ general patrol officers. we'll come back to that. there _ general patrol officers. we'll come back to that. there was _ general patrol officers. we'll come back to that. there was concern i general patrol officers. we'll come i back to that. there was concern that the initial statement from greater manchester police wasn't good enough. have you been reassured by what you heard?— what you heard? absolutely not because what _ what you heard? absolutely not because what greater _ what you heard? absolutely not l because what greater manchester police _ because what greater manchester police have done in the immediate aftermath— police have done in the immediate aftermath is something that the police _ aftermath is something that the police service in the uk always
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does. — police service in the uk always does. like _ police service in the uk always does, like having a death in custody, _ does, like having a death in custody, they spin a narrative, it takes _ custody, they spin a narrative, it takes several years to find out it is not _ takes several years to find out it is not true _ takes several years to find out it is not true. jean—charles diame net is not true. jean—charles diame net is who— is not true. jean—charles diame net is who was— is not true. jean—charles diame net is who was executed on the london tube network, we were told by the police _ tube network, we were told by the police at _ tube network, we were told by the police at the time that he jumped over the — police at the time that he jumped over the ticket entry station in the tube station and it turned out that several _ tube station and it turned out that several years later to be untrue. we found _ several years later to be untrue. we found that _ several years later to be untrue. we found that with the death of prest kaba, _ found that with the death of prest kaha. we — found that with the death of prest kaba, we were told he had a screwdriver but it was untrue, we had the _ screwdriver but it was untrue, we had the public inquiry of shaker bayou. — had the public inquiry of shaker bayou, we were told a police had been _ bayou, we were told a police had been stabbed and that he had been armed _ been stabbed and that he had been armed and — been stabbed and that he had been armed and later we found out that was untrue — armed and later we found out that was untrue. they spin a narrative, then— was untrue. they spin a narrative, then they— was untrue. they spin a narrative, then they tell everyone to be silent because _ then they tell everyone to be silent because they are cooperating with an independent investigation. what they've — independent investigation. what they've already done is try to criminalise. i'm disappointed in the
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mayor— criminalise. i'm disappointed in the mayor of— criminalise. i'm disappointed in the mayor of manchester andy burnham who says he _ mayor of manchester andy burnham who says he has _ mayor of manchester andy burnham who says he has seen the whole context. there _ says he has seen the whole context. there is _ says he has seen the whole context. there is no — says he has seen the whole context. there is no context. i agree with what _ there is no context. i agree with what leroy — there is no context. i agree with what leroy said, there is no context for a _ what leroy said, there is no context for a man— what leroy said, there is no context for a man lying incapacitated on the ground _ fora man lying incapacitated on the ground for— for a man lying incapacitated on the ground for a trained police officer, precision— ground for a trained police officer, precision thinking and skills... they— precision thinking and skills... they have _ precision thinking and skills... they have to take split—second decisions, _ they have to take split—second decisions, they... running at a man on the _ decisions, they... running at a man on the ground, kicking him in the head _ on the ground, kicking him in the head and — on the ground, kicking him in the head and then stamping on him. it was illegitimate, disproportionate and there was no requirement. there is no _ and there was no requirement. there is nojustification for and there was no requirement. there is no justification for that and we shouldn't— is no justification for that and we shouldn't forget... is no justification for that and we shouldn't forget. . ._ is no justification for that and we shouldn't forget... andy burnham said that both _ shouldn't forget... andy burnham said that both sides _ shouldn't forget... andy burnham said that both sides have - shouldn't forget... andy burnham. said that both sides have questions to answer, notwithstanding the police response which you've talked about. there's no excuse for hitting about. there's no excuse for hitting a policewoman and breaking her nose. what we need to do is separate that off. what we need to do is separate that off if— what we need to do is separate that off. �* , ., what we need to do is separate that off. �* , . ., what we need to do is separate that off. �* , ., ., ., ., off. if it's relevant to what we are talkin: off. if it's relevant to what we are talking about. _ off. if it's relevant to what we are talking about. i'm _ off. if it's relevant to what we are talking about. i'm answering - off. if it's relevant to what we are talking about. i'm answering your cuestion. talking about. i'm answering your question- if— talking about. i'm answering your question. if individuals _ talking about. i'm answering your question. if individuals break - talking about. i'm answering your question. if individuals break the | question. if individuals break the law then the police are required to use reasonable and legitimate force to arrest _
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use reasonable and legitimate force to arrest those individuals and detain — to arrest those individuals and detain them. when someone is incapacitated and on the ground, there _ incapacitated and on the ground, there is— incapacitated and on the ground, there is no— incapacitated and on the ground, there is no requirement, no justification in law to use force on that individual. it's not a question of, comparing... these are individuals who are trained and armed — individuals who are trained and armed. they had the man on the ground — armed. they had the man on the ground i— armed. they had the man on the ground. i don't know the context. it is irrelevant — ground. i don't know the context. it is irrelevant. if that man dies, he has a _ is irrelevant. if that man dies, he has a sister— is irrelevant. if that man dies, he has a sister on the brain. if that individual— has a sister on the brain. if that individual used violence and wasn't wearing _ individual used violence and wasn't wearing uniform and he would be sitting _ wearing uniform and he would be sitting in— wearing uniform and he would be sitting in prison, poetry charged with attempted murder. he was suspended after.— with attempted murder. he was suspended after. they have referred themselves to _ suspended after. they have referred themselves to the _ suspended after. they have referred themselves to the iopc. _ suspended after. they have referred themselves to the iopc. what - suspended after. they have referred themselves to the iopc. what could | themselves to the iopc. what could they do further that would satisfy they do further that would satisfy the community and you? it’s they do further that would satisfy the community and you?- they do further that would satisfy the community and you? it's not a auestion the community and you? it's not a question of— the community and you? it's not a question of satisfying _ the community and you? it's not a question of satisfying me. - the community and you? it's not a question of satisfying me. it - the community and you? it's not a question of satisfying me. it is - the community and you? it's not a question of satisfying me. it is a i question of satisfying me. it is a question— question of satisfying me. it is a question of, as leroy said, there is a culture _ question of, as leroy said, there is a culture of— question of, as leroy said, there is a culture of impunity. this is greater— a culture of impunity. this is greater manchester police who only a week ago _
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greater manchester police who only a week ago said there were individuals who are _ week ago said there were individuals who are vulnerable women who are victims _ who are vulnerable women who are victims of— who are vulnerable women who are victims of trafficking, sexual trafficking and domestic violence who were — trafficking and domestic violence who were on floor fully strip—searched. people like wayne couzens _ strip—searched. people like wayne couzens walking the streets, carrving _ couzens walking the streets, carrying a weapon and police officers _ carrying a weapon and police officers referred to him as the rapist — officers referred to him as the rapist. police officers should be separated. it isn'tjust one officer. _ separated. it isn'tjust one officer. i— separated. it isn'tjust one officer, i didn't see any others intervening and assisting that man to stop _ intervening and assisting that man to stop this going on. the force was unnecessary. i've never seen police officers _ unnecessary. i've never seen police officers intervening or come to the rescue _ officers intervening or come to the rescue of— officers intervening or come to the rescue of the public. the man did not deserve — rescue of the public. the man did not deserve that attention. greater manchester — not deserve that attention. greater manchester police _ not deserve that attention. greater manchester police have _ not deserve that attention. greater manchester police have said - not deserve that attention. greater manchester police have said that l manchester police have said that they have zero tolerance for this kind of behaviour and they have suspended the officer in charge. i want to play you what the reform mp lee anderson said today. the message i'm getting loud and clearfrom my constituents is that they are fed up with seeing police dancing around rainbows
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and being nice to people and running off from rioters. they want the police to do theirjob. and i think these police yesterday should be commended. in fact, i'd give them a medal. because look what happened yesterday, what we've been told so far. a female officer had her nose broken. other officers dragged to the ground, they've tried to take the gun. we've got officers in hospital who were in the airport. earlier that day, we had a soldier brutally attacked from a frenzied knife attack. what's going through these officers's mind when they see something like that kicking off? we should support them, back off and let them get on with the job. there are a lot of people who, like lee anderson, think we are so quick to criticise policing, the way that it is done, that you are frightened of doing thejob. i it is done, that you are frightened of doing the job.— of doing the “oh. i was a police officer for _ of doing the job. i was a police officer for 30 _ of doing the job. i was a police officer for 30 years _ of doing the job. i was a police officer for 30 years and - of doing the job. i was a police officer for 30 years and i - of doing the job. i was a police officer for 30 years and i know| of doing the job. i was a police - officer for 30 years and i know when officers have overstepped the mark. this is an example. having an mp saying totally... inappropriate things... i'm trying to be diplomatic. that literally fuels this rhetoric that officers can't do
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any wrong. we know that we have a majority of good officers. i take the point earlier that good cops have to call out the bad cops. yes. we also ensure _ have to call out the bad cops. yes. we also ensure that _ have to call out the bad cops. yes. we also ensure that if _ have to call out the bad cops. yes. we also ensure that if they - have to call out the bad cops. yes. we also ensure that if they do wrong then they are put before the courts or subject to misconduct hearings, whatever it is. we cannot condone bad behaviour. we can't condone it with the public and we can't with the police. with the public and we can't with the olice. ., with the public and we can't with the police-— with the public and we can't with the olice. ., ., ., the police. next, a lot of political resonse the police. next, a lot of political response today? _ the police. next, a lot of political response today? the _ the police. next, a lot of political response today? the key - the police. next, a lot of politicalj response today? the key political fiuures response today? the key political figures today _ response today? the key political figures today has _ response today? the key political figures today has been _ response today? the key political figures today has been adding -- | response today? the key political - figures today has been adding -- has figures today has been adding —— has been andy— figures today has been adding —— has been andy burnham, _ figures today has been adding —— has been andy burnham, the _ figures today has been adding —— has been andy burnham, the mayor- figures today has been adding —— has been andy burnham, the mayor of i been andy burnham, the mayor of manchester — been andy burnham, the mayor of manchester. his— been andy burnham, the mayor of manchester. his reaction- been andy burnham, the mayor of manchester. his reaction came - been andy burnham, the mayor of manchester. his reaction came inl been andy burnham, the mayor of. manchester. his reaction came in two stages _ manchester. his reaction came in two stages he _ manchester. his reaction came in two stages he said — manchester. his reaction came in two stages. he said his _ manchester. his reaction came in two stages. he said his initial— manchester. his reaction came in two stages. he said his initial reaction - stages. he said his initial reaction when _ stages. he said his initial reaction when he _ stages. he said his initial reaction when he saw— stages. he said his initial reaction when he saw the _ stages. he said his initial reaction when he saw the video _ stages. he said his initial reaction when he saw the video is- stages. he said his initial reaction when he saw the video is that - stages. he said his initial reaction when he saw the video is that it. stages. he said his initial reaction . when he saw the video is that it was very disturbing _ when he saw the video is that it was very disturbing but _ when he saw the video is that it was very disturbing but then _ when he saw the video is that it was very disturbing but then on - when he saw the video is that it was very disturbing but then on bbc - very disturbing but then on bbc radio— very disturbing but then on bbc radio manchester— very disturbing but then on bbc radio manchester he _ very disturbing but then on bbc radio manchester he said - very disturbing but then on bbc radio manchester he said afterl radio manchester he said after seeing — radio manchester he said after seeing the _ radio manchester he said after seeing the full— radio manchester he said after seeing the full footage - radio manchester he said after seeing the full footage of- radio manchester he said after seeing the full footage of the. seeing the full footage of the situation _ seeing the full footage of the situation he _ seeing the full footage of the situation he said _ seeing the full footage of the situation he said it _ seeing the full footage of the situation he said it wasn't - seeing the full footage of the| situation he said it wasn't that clear-cut _ situation he said it wasn't that clear-cut he _ situation he said it wasn't that clear—cut. he said _ situation he said it wasn't that clear—cut. he said it— situation he said it wasn't that clear—cut. he said it was- situation he said it wasn't that clear—cut. he said it was fast. clear—cut. he said it was fast moving — clear—cut. he said it was fast moving and _ clear—cut. he said it was fast moving and that _ clear—cut. he said it was fast moving and that there - clear—cut. he said it was fast moving and that there were i clear—cut. he said it was fast - moving and that there were issues
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for both— moving and that there were issues for both sides _ moving and that there were issues for both sides and _ moving and that there were issues for both sides and that _ moving and that there were issues for both sides and that the - moving and that there were issues for both sides and that the police i for both sides and that the police officer— for both sides and that the police officer had — for both sides and that the police officer had been _ for both sides and that the police officer had been suspended. - for both sides and that the police officer had been suspended. the| officer had been suspended. the reaction — officer had been suspended. the reaction from _ officer had been suspended. the reaction from the _ officer had been suspended. the reaction from the cabinet - officer had been suspended. the reaction from the cabinet has i officer had been suspended. the . reaction from the cabinet has been much _ reaction from the cabinet has been much closer— reaction from the cabinet has been much closer to _ reaction from the cabinet has been much closer to andy _ reaction from the cabinet has been much closer to andy burnham's - much closer to andy burnham's initial— much closer to andy burnham's initial reaction. _ much closer to andy burnham's initial reaction. home _ much closer to andy burnham's initial reaction. home secretary yvette — initial reaction. home secretary yvette cooper— initial reaction. home secretary yvette cooper talked _ initial reaction. home secretary yvette cooper talked about - initial reaction. home secretaryl yvette cooper talked about deep concern — yvette cooper talked about deep concern around _ yvette cooper talked about deep concern around the _ yvette cooper talked about deep concern around the video, - concern around the video, understanding _ concern around the video, understanding the - concern around the video, - understanding the widespread distress — understanding the widespread distress it— understanding the widespread distress. it is— understanding the widespread distress. it is being _ understanding the widespread distress. it is being looked - understanding the widespread distress. it is being looked ati understanding the widespread . distress. it is being looked at by the iopc— distress. it is being looked at by the iopc and _ distress. it is being looked at by the iopc and she _ distress. it is being looked at by the iopc and she hopes- distress. it is being looked at by the iopc and she hopes that - distress. it is being looked at by. the iopc and she hopes that people can raise _ the iopc and she hopes that people can raise their— the iopc and she hopes that people can raise their concerns. _ the iopc and she hopes that people can raise their concerns. i— the iopc and she hopes that people can raise their concerns.— can raise their concerns. i know ou've can raise their concerns. i know you've been _ can raise their concerns. i know you've been digging _ can raise their concerns. i know you've been digging into - can raise their concerns. i know you've been digging into the . you've been digging into the background and the figures in greater manchester police. give me some topline figures.— greater manchester police. give me some topline figures. there are some fiuures b some topline figures. there are some figures by the — some topline figures. there are some figures by the iopc _ some topline figures. there are some figures by the iopc who _ some topline figures. there are some figures by the iopc who are _ figures by the iopc who are conducting _ figures by the iopc who are conducting the _ figures by the iopc who are i conducting the investigation. figures by the iopc who are - conducting the investigation. they look at _ conducting the investigation. they look at a _ conducting the investigation. they look at a series _ conducting the investigation. they look at a series of— conducting the investigation. they look at a series of areas _ conducting the investigation. they look at a series of areas where - look at a series of areas where there — look at a series of areas where there are — look at a series of areas where there are issues. _ look at a series of areas where there are issues. allegations l look at a series of areas where i there are issues. allegations over there are issues. allegations over the use _ there are issues. allegations over the use of— there are issues. allegations over the use of force. _ there are issues. allegations over the use of force. this _ there are issues. allegations over the use of force. this shows- there are issues. allegations over the use of force. this shows thatl there are issues. allegations over. the use of force. this shows that up to last _ the use of force. this shows that up to last year— the use of force. this shows that up to last year there _ the use of force. this shows that up to last year there were _ the use of force. this shows that up to last year there were allegations i to last year there were allegations of we _ to last year there were allegations of we hundred _ to last year there were allegations of we hundred and _ to last year there were allegations of we hundred and 57 _ of we hundred and 57 allegations over the — of we hundred and 57 allegations over the use _ of we hundred and 57 allegations over the use of— of we hundred and 57 allegations over the use of force. _ of we hundred and 57 allegations over the use of force. look- of we hundred and 57 allegations over the use of force. look what| over the use of force. look what happens. — over the use of force. look what happens. it— over the use of force. look what happens, itjumped, _ over the use of force. look what happens, itjumped, up- over the use of force. look what happens, itjumped, up to- over the use of force. look what happens, itjumped, up to 867, | over the use of force. look whatl happens, itjumped, up to 867, a doubling — happens, itjumped, up to 867, a doubling. what's _ happens, itjumped, up to 867, a doubling. what's interesting -
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happens, itjumped, up to 867, a doubling. what's interesting is i happens, itjumped, up to 867, a i doubling. what's interesting is that it is higher— doubling. what's interesting is that it is higher than _ doubling. what's interesting is that it is higher than the _ doubling. what's interesting is that it is higher than the average - doubling. what's interesting is that it is higher than the average wage. it is higher than the average wage is 357~ _ it is higher than the average wage is 357. ., ., 4' it is higher than the average wage is 357. ., ., ~ _, y is 357. you worked in community olicin: , is 357. you worked in community policing. what — is 357. you worked in community policing, what kind _ is 357. you worked in community policing, what kind of— is 357. you worked in community policing, what kind of ripple - is 357. you worked in community | policing, what kind of ripple effect does this have?— does this have? having been a councillor— does this have? having been a councillor and _ does this have? having been a councillor and being _ does this have? having been a councillor and being involved i does this have? having been a | councillor and being involved in does this have? having been a - councillor and being involved in the local community where these incidents unfortunately happen, not on this— incidents unfortunately happen, not on this scale, and it is important that everyone tries to de—escalate. we come _ that everyone tries to de—escalate. we come out in this country, police by consent— we come out in this country, police by consent and it is critical that people — by consent and it is critical that people in— by consent and it is critical that people in the community have respect and regard _ people in the community have respect and regard for the police and believe — and regard for the police and believe they are acting for the benefit — believe they are acting for the benefit of everybody. the challenge here is _ benefit of everybody. the challenge here is that you end up in a situation _ here is that you end up in a situation where the police just cannot— situation where the police just cannot do that and everybody is less safe _ cannot do that and everybody is less safe in_ cannot do that and everybody is less safe. in particular we've seen, cannot do that and everybody is less safe. in particularwe've seen, i'm very— safe. in particularwe've seen, i'm very concerned that there are talks about _ very concerned that there are talks about protests which will only serve to fuel _ about protests which will only serve to fuel this— about protests which will only serve to fuel this conversation and sense of distrust~ — to fuel this conversation and sense of distrust. ., to fuel this conversation and sense of distrust-— of distrust. our other guests said that they have —
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of distrust. our other guests said that they have to _ of distrust. our other guests said that they have to earn _ of distrust. our other guests said that they have to earn that - of distrust. our other guests said i that they have to earn that respect. it's a nightmare for stephen watson, the chief inspector of greater manchester police because a report concluded that vulnerable women in custody were unnecessary strip—searched and treated like meat by the police officers who use their power unwisely and sometimes unlawfully. last had to suspend seven officers talking in racist terms in the canteen. the point he would make is that he has suspended them all. there is zero tolerance and he is changing the culture from the top. and he is changing the culture from the to -. . �* and he is changing the culture from the to-. , ~ and he is changing the culture from theto. , ~ the top. use eac pattern -- you ch similar pattern- _ the top. use eac pattern -- you ch similar pattern. in _ the top. use eac pattern -- you ch similar pattern. in the _ the top. use eac pattern -- you ch similar pattern. in the met - the top. use eac pattern -- you ch similar pattern. in the met police i similar pattern. in the met police we saw repeated incidents of officers in very similar cases, often being suspended too late, after a long period of time when it was ignored, and then being isolated and seen as one bad apple. and an
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unwillingness may be from people at the top to acknowledge that there is a more widespread culture, you know, within the force. great that that appears to be something he's trying to change within the force but when you see scenes like you've just played, it seems that that work is not done. ~ . ., ., not done. what about the home secretary? _ not done. what about the home secretary? a — not done. what about the home secretary? a big _ not done. what about the home secretary? a big test _ not done. what about the home secretary? a big test for - not done. what about the home secretary? a big test for her. i not done. what about the home l secretary? a big test for her. she had the policing accident in leeds at hare hills and now this incident in rochdale last night. you talk about them earning respect. what does the home secretary, the new home secretary, have to put in place to reassure the public? first issue is everybody says we have _ first issue is everybody says we have depressed in the process but the present is rotten and if you happen— the present is rotten and if you happen to _ the present is rotten and if you happen to be on the receiving end of police _ happen to be on the receiving end of police violence or other family member— police violence or other family member of the receiving end of police _ member of the receiving end of police violence or other family member— police violence or other family member of zombies died in police to become _ member of zombies died in police to become black people or people of colour— become black people or people of colour happen to be two times more likely— colour happen to be two times more likely die _ colour happen to be two times more likely die in— colour happen to be two times more likely die in police custody, that's a the _ likely die in police custody, that's a the data — likely die in police custody, that's a the data multiple years to get the
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truth and _ a the data multiple years to get the truth and then you know there is no justice _ truth and then you know there is no justice. police officers are allowed to retire _ justice. police officers are allowed to retire with full pension rights, they subsequently do not actually face jail— they subsequently do not actually face jail sentences and police officers — face jail sentences and police officers actually don't face trial put it _ officers actually don't face trial put it we've had in the last 50 years— put it we've had in the last 50 years one _ put it we've had in the last 50 years one case, of dalian atkinson, the young _ years one case, of dalian atkinson, the young couple kicked in the head, almost _ the young couple kicked in the head, almost similar in the situation, with— almost similar in the situation, with the — almost similar in the situation, with the individual ultimately faced imprisonment so the first thing the home _ imprisonment so the first thing the home secretary needs to do is restore — home secretary needs to do is restore public confidence and show the people of this country there is actual— the people of this country there is actual real— the people of this country there is actual real change, after having had well over— actual real change, after having had well over a — actual real change, after having had well over a decade, 15 years or whatever— well over a decade, 15 years or whatever it is of conservative party rule where — whatever it is of conservative party rule where everything that the police — rule where everything that the police did was supported. when we were told _ police did was supported. when we were told that firearms officers must _ were told that firearms officers must have impunity put up know it's a situation _ must have impunity put up know it's a situation where we have a new government in place and if they want to restore _ government in place and if they want to restore confidence, actually what people _ to restore confidence, actually what people should be seeing in this country— people should be seeing in this country is — people should be seeing in this country is when a police officer breaks — country is when a police officer breaks the law, it's not a question of public— breaks the law, it's not a question of public concerns raised, that the individual— of public concerns raised, that the individual is suspended but no, if they break— individual is suspended but no, if they break the law in such a vicious
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fashion, _ they break the law in such a vicious fashion, where people stand accused of almost _ fashion, where people stand accused of almost attempted murder potentially, they should be arrested and face _ potentially, they should be arrested and face the full power of the law and face the full power of the law and they— and face the full power of the law and they have the presumption but they should be put on trial. were tired _ they should be put on trial. were tired of— they should be put on trial. were tired of seeing police sources and the social— tired of seeing police sources and the social media controls coming out and ominously to attack individuals who stand — and ominously to attack individuals who stand up for human rights. | who stand up for human rights. i have who stand up for human rights. have to who stand up for human rights. i have to leave it there because we're out of time, we could cut about it for much longer, there's so much to discuss. thank you very much for your time. there have been protests too in washington tonight, wherejoe biden and kamala harris have been meeting israeli prime minister benjamin netenyahu. for harris, an opportunity to look presidential, even if it isjoe still running the show. there is so much we don't know about kamala harris, especially when it come to foreign policy. although today, the campaign did put with a new ad that tries to define what kind of country she wants to lead. there are some people who think we should be a country of chaos, of fear, of hate. but us, we choose something different. kamala! we choose freedom.
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# freedom, freedom, i can't move.# lily greenberg call is a former campaign aide to kamala harris who went on to work for the biden administration, but resigned earlier this year in protest over gaza. and scottie nell hughes is a republican commentator and journalist. welcome to you both. lily, who resigned from the biden administration over the israel policy so what is it you disapproved of? i policy so what is it you disapproved of? , , ., ., policy so what is it you disapproved of? ,, ., ., ., of? i disapproved of what the ma'ori of? i disapproved of what the majority of — of? i disapproved of what the majority of the _ of? i disapproved of what the majority of the american i of? i disapproved of what the i majority of the american voters of? i disapproved of what the - majority of the american voters have disapproved of which is president biden's unconditional support for israel's assault on gaza in the last ten months. it has been reported that the majority of americans and democratic voters and even the majority of american jews democratic voters and even the majority of americanjews support conditioning arms to israel and i think it's very clear, here internally, domestically and from the international community, that something has to change. loath? the international community, that something has to change.- the international community, that something has to change. why do you think kamala — something has to change. why do you think kamala harris _ something has to change. why do you think kamala harris will— something has to change. why do you think kamala harris will be _ think kamala harris will be
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different?— think kamala harris will be different? �* ., '::::f different? i'm not 100% confident that she different? i'm not 10096 confident that she will _ different? i'm not 10096 confident that she will be _ different? i'm not 10096 confident that she will be different - different? i'm not 10096 confident that she will be different but... i that she will be different but... let me phrase it another way, why does she need to be different? because she needs to listen to the majority of her base and her voters and i do believe, based on my own experience working for herbs and from my time in the administration, i heard reports that her and her staff were pushing the president and his staff to adopt a more humane policy, something that was more in line with both us and international law. she was the first administration official to use the word ceasefire, she called for a ceasefire at a speech in selma in the fall, albeit only a six week one there were also internal reports that six weeks versus permanent ceasefire was an effort by the president's stuck to water down her speech so i'm cautiously optimistic. i think if you want to win the election, she does have to break with biden and signal that she will do something different and that it's
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an arms embargo and stopping the offensive, the transfer of offensive weapons to israel, using all of the us diplomatic and financial leverage to push for a lasting permanent ceasefire and hostage exchange and an end to occupation. than ceasefire and hostage exchange and an end to occupation.— an end to occupation. an arms embargo _ an end to occupation. an arms embargo would _ an end to occupation. an arms embargo would be _ an end to occupation. an arms embargo would be a _ an end to occupation. an arms embargo would be a very i an end to occupation. an arms embargo would be a very big i an end to occupation. an arms i embargo would be a very big step given current policy product that it looked like a very businesslike handshake we have just seen from a few minutes ago. scottie, when you look at the protest yesterday, the burning of the flag and the effigies in union square, do you worry that there might be a growing number of young people in america who no longer believe in your approach to israel and in fact might actively despise it?— despise it? make the mistake, whether you — despise it? make the mistake, whether you are _ despise it? make the mistake, whether you are pro-palestinej despise it? make the mistake, i whether you are pro-palestine or whether you are pro—palestine or pro-israel, — whether you are pro—palestine or pro—israel, the protest yesterday in washington, dc and the burning of the american flag does not garner any sympathy or very much sympathy from the _ any sympathy or very much sympathy from the american people and in fact, _ from the american people and in fact, the — from the american people and in fact, the majority of those there were _ fact, the majority of those there were processing yesterday would not
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have been_ were processing yesterday would not have been allowed to protest like that in _ have been allowed to protest like that in their own countries but i doubt _ that in their own countries but i doubt you — that in their own countries but i doubt you don't know that. you don't know the majority — doubt you don't know that. you don't know the majority were _ doubt you don't know that. you don't know the majority were foreign, i know the majority were foreign, there were thousands of people on there were thousands of people on the street. americans. data there were thousands of people on the street. americans.— the street. americans. data to identify a _ the street. americans. data to identify a lot — the street. americans. data to identify a lot and _ the street. americans. data to identify a lot and then - the street. americans. data to identify a lot and then at i identify a lot and then at american—born. we can have that conversation but what that does not garner— conversation but what that does not garner any— conversation but what that does not garner any sort of... but what they were _ garner any sort of... but what they were doing — garner any sort of... but what they were doing was illegal, they need to arrest _ were doing was illegal, they need to arrest them and like they're prosecuting the g6 protesters, but to my _ prosecuting the g6 protesters, but to my colleague's point what she said, _ to my colleague's point what she said. she — to my colleague's point what she said. she is — to my colleague's point what she said, she is correct in the fact that— said, she is correct in the fact that potentially the majority of the democratic base might agree with where _ democratic base might agree with where she stands in this idea that an instant— where she stands in this idea that an instant ceasefire but the reason it's not _ an instant ceasefire but the reason it's not happening is the majority of the _ it's not happening is the majority of the money is different, the majority— of the money is different, the majority of the money is pro israel and coming — majority of the money is pro israel and coming from the jewish base within— and coming from the jewish base within the — and coming from the jewish base within the democratic party. that is whyjoe _ within the democratic party. that is whyjoe biden has not officially called — whyjoe biden has not officially called for a ceasefire and why they're — called for a ceasefire and why they're so _ called for a ceasefire and why they're so wishy—washy on this. even if kamala _ they're so wishy—washy on this. even if kamala harris went into this wanting — if kamala harris went into this wanting a _ if kamala harris went into this wanting a ceasefire, joe quigley
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have _ wanting a ceasefire, joe quigley have the — wanting a ceasefire, joe quigley have the puppet strings pulled as well and — have the puppet strings pulled as well and that's why you will see it _ well and that's why you will see it... , ., well and that's why you will see it... , . , , , it... -- she will have the puppet strinas it... -- she will have the puppet strings pulled. _ it... -- she will have the puppet strings pulled. i'm _ it... -- she will have the puppet strings pulled. i'm not _ it... -- she will have the puppet strings pulled. i'm not sure i it... -- she will have the puppet strings pulled. i'm not sure how| strings pulled. i'm not sure how strings pulled. i'm not sure how strings are being pulled by any lobby, because we don't know very much about her or her policy, she's not been able to set it out but we can say about the polls is she is trailing, she is the underdog. yes. trailing, she is the underdog. yes, but there is _ trailing, she is the underdog. yes, but there is a _ trailing, she is the underdog. yes, but there is a new _ trailing, she is the underdog. yes, but there is a new york _ trailing, she is the underdog. yes, but there is a new york times siena college _ but there is a new york times siena college poll— but there is a new york times siena college poll released _ but there is a new york times siena college poll released in _ but there is a new york times siena college poll released in the - but there is a new york times siena college poll released in the last i college poll released in the last few such — college poll released in the last few such as— college poll released in the last few such as donald _ college poll released in the last few such as donald trump - college poll released in the last few such as donald trump on i college poll released in the last i few such as donald trump on 48% college poll released in the last - few such as donald trump on 48% and kamal— few such as donald trump on 48% and kamal harris _ few such as donald trump on 48% and kamal harris on — few such as donald trump on 48% and kamal harris on 47 _ few such as donald trump on 48% and kamal harris on 47 amongst _ kamal harris on 47 amongst registered _ kamal harris on 47 amongst registered voters. _ kamal harris on 47 amongst registered voters. that i kamal harris on 47 amongstl registered voters. that same kamal harris on 47 amongst i registered voters. that same poll earlier— registered voters. that same poll earlier this — registered voters. that same poll earlier this month— registered voters. that same poll earlier this monthjust _ registered voters. that same poll earlier this month just after - registered voters. that same poll earlier this month just afterjoe i earlier this month just afterjoe biden's— earlier this month just afterjoe biden's disastrous _ earlier this month just afterjoe biden's disastrous debate - earlier this month just afterjoe biden's disastrous debate had i earlier this month just afterjoe - biden's disastrous debate had donald trump _ biden's disastrous debate had donald trump six _ biden's disastrous debate had donald trump six ahead _ biden's disastrous debate had donald trump six ahead of— biden's disastrous debate had donald trump six ahead ofjoe _ biden's disastrous debate had donald trump six ahead ofjoe biden - biden's disastrous debate had donald trump six ahead ofjoe biden so i biden's disastrous debate had donald trump six ahead ofjoe biden so she. trump six ahead ofjoe biden so she is closing _ trump six ahead ofjoe biden so she is closing but — trump six ahead ofjoe biden so she is closing. but let's _ trump six ahead ofjoe biden so she is closing. but let's have _ trump six ahead ofjoe biden so she is closing. but let's have some i is closing. but let's have some caveats pulled _ is closing. but let's have some caveats pulled everyone - is closing. but let's have some caveats pulled everyone was i is closing. but let's have some - caveats pulled everyone was expected there would _ caveats pulled everyone was expected there would be — caveats pulled everyone was expected there would be a — caveats pulled everyone was expected there would be a honeymoon, - caveats pulled everyone was expected there would be a honeymoon, we i caveats pulled everyone was expectedl there would be a honeymoon, we need to see _ there would be a honeymoon, we need to see what _ there would be a honeymoon, we need to see what happens _ there would be a honeymoon, we need to see what happens in _ there would be a honeymoon, we need to see what happens in the _ there would be a honeymoon, we need to see what happens in the crucial- to see what happens in the crucial swing _ to see what happens in the crucial swing state — to see what happens in the crucial swing state and _ to see what happens in the crucial swing state and that _ to see what happens in the crucial swing state and that is _ to see what happens in the crucial swing state and that is a - to see what happens in the crucial swing state and that is a nationall swing state and that is a national poll and — swing state and that is a national poll and don't _ swing state and that is a national poll and don't forget, _ swing state and that is a national poll and don't forget, kamala i swing state and that is a national. poll and don't forget, kamala harris as these _ poll and don't forget, kamala harris as these three — poll and don't forget, kamala harris as these three core _ poll and don't forget, kamala harris as these three core challenges, i poll and don't forget, kamala harris as these three core challenges, onej as these three core challenges, one is the _ as these three core challenges, one is the economy, _ as these three core challenges, one is the economy, voters _ as these three core challenges, one is the economy, voters seem - as these three core challenges, one is the economy, voters seem to i as these three core challenges, one i is the economy, voters seem to blame joe biden— is the economy, voters seem to blame
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joe biden for— is the economy, voters seem to blame joe biden for inflation _ is the economy, voters seem to blame joe biden for inflation and _ is the economy, voters seem to blame joe biden for inflation and its - joe biden for inflation and its effect — joe biden for inflation and its effect. number— joe biden for inflation and its effect. number two, - joe biden for inflation and its effect. numbertwo, this- effect. numbertwo, this administration _ effect. numbertwo, this administration is - effect. numbertwo, this. administration is perceived effect. numbertwo, this- administration is perceived to have failed _ administration is perceived to have failed on _ administration is perceived to have failed on immigration. _ administration is perceived to have failed on immigration. and - administration is perceived to have failed on immigration. and the i administration is perceived to havel failed on immigration. and the third challenge _ failed on immigration. and the third challenge is— failed on immigration. and the third challenge is can _ failed on immigration. and the third challenge is can kamala _ failed on immigration. and the third challenge is can kamala harris, i failed on immigration. and the third challenge is can kamala harris, who has inherited — challenge is can kamala harris, who has inherited joe _ challenge is can kamala harris, who has inherited joe biden's _ challenge is can kamala harris, who has inherited joe biden's campaignl has inherited joe biden's campaign machine. _ has inherited joe biden's campaign machine, which _ has inherited joe biden's campaign machine, which was _ has inherited joe biden's campaign machine, which was going - has inherited joe biden's campaign machine, which was going at - has inherited joe biden's campaign machine, which was going at quite| has inherited joe biden's campaign. machine, which was going at quite a sleepy— machine, which was going at quite a sleepy rate. — machine, which was going at quite a sleepy rate. can— machine, which was going at quite a sleepy rate, can that _ machine, which was going at quite a sleepy rate, can that go _ machine, which was going at quite a sleepy rate, can that go at - machine, which was going at quite a sleepy rate, can that go at the - machine, which was going at quite a sleepy rate, can that go at the sortl sleepy rate, can that go at the sort of rock— sleepy rate, can that go at the sort of rock star— sleepy rate, can that go at the sort of rock star three _ sleepy rate, can that go at the sort of rock star three states _ sleepy rate, can that go at the sort of rock star three states a - sleepy rate, can that go at the sort of rock star three states a date i of rock star three states a date sort _ of rock star three states a date sort of — of rock star three states a date sort of rate? _ of rock star three states a date sort of rate? but _ of rock star three states a date sort of rate? but let's - of rock star three states a date sort of rate? but let's not i of rock star three states a date i sort of rate? but let's not forget that she — sort of rate? but let's not forget that she does _ sort of rate? but let's not forget that she does have _ sort of rate? but let's not forget that she does have strength, - sort of rate? but let's not forget - that she does have strength, amazing energy. _ that she does have strength, amazing energy. everyone _ that she does have strength, amazing energy. everyone is _ that she does have strength, amazing energy, everyone is made _ that she does have strength, amazing energy, everyone is made in - that she does have strength, amazing energy, everyone is made in the - energy, everyone is made in the denrocratic— energy, everyone is made in the democratic party— energy, everyone is made in the democratic party to _ energy, everyone is made in the democratic party to see - energy, everyone is made in the democratic party to see the - energy, everyone is made in the . democratic party to see the energy compared — democratic party to see the energy compared to— democratic party to see the energy compared to joe _ democratic party to see the energy compared tojoe biden. _ democratic party to see the energy compared tojoe biden. she - democratic party to see the energy compared tojoe biden. she has i democratic party to see the energy. compared tojoe biden. she has found her voice _ compared tojoe biden. she has found her voice very— compared tojoe biden. she has found her voice very strongly _ compared tojoe biden. she has found her voice very strongly in _ compared tojoe biden. she has found her voice very strongly in a _ compared tojoe biden. she has found her voice very strongly in a way - compared tojoe biden. she has found her voice very strongly in a wayjoe i her voice very strongly in a wayjoe biden— her voice very strongly in a wayjoe biden coutd — her voice very strongly in a wayjoe biden could not _ her voice very strongly in a wayjoe biden could not on _ her voice very strongly in a wayjoe biden could not on abortion. - her voice very strongly in a wayjoe biden could not on abortion. under the strength— biden could not on abortion. under the strength she _ biden could not on abortion. under the strength she has _ biden could not on abortion. under the strength she has is _ biden could not on abortion. under the strength she has is character, i the strength she has is character, the strength she has is character, the prosecutor— the strength she has is character, the prosecutor persecuting - the strength she has is character, the prosecutor persecuting a - the strength she has is character, the prosecutor persecuting a case against _ the prosecutor persecuting a case against the — the prosecutor persecuting a case against the convicted _ the prosecutor persecuting a case against the convicted felon - the prosecutor persecuting a case against the convicted felon who . the prosecutor persecuting a case against the convicted felon who is her opponent _ against the convicted felon who is her opponent. limit— against the convicted felon who is her opponent-— against the convicted felon who is her opponent. just quickly, what i sent in the _ her opponent. just quickly, what i sent in the absence _ her opponent. just quickly, what i sent in the absence of _ her opponent. just quickly, what i sent in the absence of policy, - her opponent. just quickly, what i sent in the absence of policy, and i sent in the absence of policy, and it's only been four days, is the republicans will fill the void and she needs to get out in front of that. i she needs to get out in front of that. ., . ., , she needs to get out in front of that. ., , ., 4' she needs to get out in front of that. ., , ., ,, ., that. i actually would like to counter what _ that. i actually would like to counter what i _ that. i actually would like to counter what i find - that. i actually would like to counter what i find to - that. i actually would like to counter what i find to be - that. i actually would like to counter what i find to be a l that. i actually would like to i counter what i find to be a very anti—semitic trope that was just used by scottie on this show. what i
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will say is the majority of the democratic base is notjewish people because we are actually quite... they talk over each other please let me finish. the money that is coming from groups like a pack, they masquerade as a jewish organisation, the majority of zionists in this country are actually christian, the much bigger lobby than a pack, sol actually christian, the much bigger lobby than a pack, so ijust want actually christian, the much bigger lobby than a pack, so i just want to clarify, of coursejewish people are involved in this and this is something that is a part of our community, a lot of us have close family ties to be pale in israel but if we want to talk about the money and who is controlling that, it is gop donors who were figured out they can influence democratic primaries and elections through groups like aipac, really using jewish people and safety as a cover for their investment in the war machine and that's what's going on with israel and palestine right now. that
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that's what's going on with israel and palestine right now.- and palestine right now. that is absolutely factually _ and palestine right now. that is absolutely factually wrong - and palestine right now. that is i absolutely factually wrong because the majority ofjewish people vote democrat — the majority ofjewish people vote democrat in america and it's great to know— democrat in america and it's great to know thatjoe biden can be controlled by republican dollars even _ controlled by republican dollars even though i thinkjoe biden would disagree _ even though i thinkjoe biden would disagree with that even in the state is in right now. you cannot disagree with the _ is in right now. you cannot disagree with the majority ofjewish men in this country going to fund what tiberat. — this country going to fund what liberal, progressive movements, inctuding — liberal, progressive movements, including the democratic party. the base might agree with you i think the base — base might agree with you i think the base would want and so did a lot of republicans, want to see a ceasefire _ of republicans, want to see a ceasefire and peace in the middle east pulled its not going well for either— east pulled its not going well for either side right now. however, for some _ either side right now. however, for some reason, joe biden has decided he witi— some reason, joe biden has decided he will continue to back this effort at this— he will continue to back this effort at this war— he will continue to back this effort at this war going on. take it up with— at this war going on. take it up with him. — at this war going on. take it up with him, don't blame the republicans.— with him, don't blame the republicans. with him, don't blame the reublicans. ., ., ., republicans. you might want to resond republicans. you might want to re5pond to _ republicans. you might want to re5pond to a — republicans. you might want to respond to a bit _ republicans. you might want to respond to a bit of— republicans. you might want to respond to a bit of that. - republicans. you might want to respond to a bit of that. some i respond to a bit of that. some absolutely _ respond to a bit of that. some absolutely extra _ respond to a bit of that. some absolutely extra ordinary - respond to a bit of that. some - absolutely extra ordinary comments, i felt like absolutely extra ordinary comments, ifelt like bringing up that illusion to puppet strings when you're talking aboutjewish money is something that i find completely beyond the pale, but anyway... i
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beyond the pale, but anyway... i said the puppet strings on kamala harris, _ said the puppet strings on kamala harris, not — said the puppet strings on kamala harris, notjewish money. let said the puppet strings on kamala harris, not jewish money.- said the puppet strings on kamala harris, not jewish money. let me ask ou, in harris, not jewish money. let me ask you. in terms— harris, not jewish money. let me ask you. in terms of— harris, not jewish money. let me ask you, in terms of how _ harris, not jewish money. let me ask you, in terms of how this _ harris, not jewish money. let me ask you, in terms of how this issue - you, in terms of how this issue affects politics, notjust there but here, when we saw the result of the election, there were a number of seats where this issue became a real problem for labour, jonathan ashworth lost his seat, wes streeting nearly lost his. where do you think labour are right now on this policy and the commitment they made in their manifesto to recognise a palestinian state? i made in their manifesto to recognise a palestinian state?— a palestinian state? i think there are two things — a palestinian state? i think there are two things going _ a palestinian state? i think there are two things going on - a palestinian state? i think there are two things going on with - a palestinian state? i think there are two things going on with the | are two things going on with the labour response, there's a feeling the leadership and the initial response was quite wrong—footed in terms of the way that keir starmer responded to cutting off water and supplies, i think they felt that was a misstep and should have been corrected quicker but had consequences and clearly had electoral consequences and clearly people in a lot of seeds where there was a very strong feeling about gaza, they felt those consequences. on the other hand, i think you can
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see, it's a different issue but the response from the labour party on the two—child benefit cap, the rebellion we saw a few nights ago, the party will not tolerate people taking their own line on specific issues that's not the party line. so he will have to navigate it by his own policy towards the israel palestine conflict rather than allowing his mps to speak more freely on the issues. just quickly, it stood as _ freely on the issues. just quickly, it stood as a _ freely on the issues. just quickly, it stood as a candidate _ freely on the issues. just quickly, it stood as a candidate in - freely on the issues. just quickly, l it stood as a candidate in bridgend, i'm not your campaign to running for the highest office in the land in america, but you had to hit the ground running in a snap election so you have some experience and knowledge of how difficult it is to put a campaign together in a really quick time. put a campaign together in a really cuick time. . . put a campaign together in a really cuick time. , ., ., ., ., ., , , quick time. yes, and kamala honestly did not have — quick time. yes, and kamala honestly did not have a — quick time. yes, and kamala honestly did not have a successful— quick time. yes, and kamala honestly did not have a successful run - quick time. yes, and kamala honestly did not have a successful run when . did not have a successful run when she tried _ did not have a successful run when she tried to— did not have a successful run when she tried to become candidate when biden— she tried to become candidate when biden was— she tried to become candidate when biden was running and really surprised expectations by not doing very wett— surprised expectations by not doing very well that time. and she feels like she _ very well that time. and she feels like she is— very well that time. and she feels like she is more ready, people have talked _ like she is more ready, people have talked about the energy of the campaign, but nevertheless, she does
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sort of— campaign, but nevertheless, she does sort of have _ campaign, but nevertheless, she does sort of have to re—introduce herself to the _ sort of have to re—introduce herself to the american people in a very different— to the american people in a very different context where, as faz president, you are quite ceremonial in some _ president, you are quite ceremonial in some ways, and also she had the dual poisoned chalice which are both treing _ dual poisoned chalice which are both being ceremonial and having to deal with the _ being ceremonial and having to deal with the most difficult issue which is the _ with the most difficult issue which is the border and now she has to say. _ is the border and now she has to say. i— is the border and now she has to say, i can— is the border and now she has to say. i can be _ is the border and now she has to say, i can be president. she is running — say, i can be president. she is running against someone who has president— running against someone who has president so is seen as presidential. and in this incredible campaign, — presidential. and in this incredible campaign, it's absolutely critical that everyone tries to take some of the heat _ that everyone tries to take some of the heat out of these really sensitive issues because at the end of this, _ sensitive issues because at the end of this, regardless if you end up in the white — of this, regardless if you end up in the white house, america is to become — the white house, america is to become a — the white house, america is to become a more united country than it is right— become a more united country than it is right now— become a more united country than it is right now and the kind of inflammatory language we have heard today does not help that. it�*s a today does not help that. it's a aood today does not help that. it's a good point. — today does not help that. it's a good point, what _ today does not help that. it's a good point, what happened - today does not help that. it�*s — good point, what happened to be reformed man and a changed character donald trump was questioned in north carolina last night he was calling her a nutter, lying kamala, a marxist, it was the same attack dog approach we had before the shooting in pittsburgh. approach we had before the shooting in pittsburgh-— in pittsburgh. once again, the rhetoric is _ in pittsburgh. once again, the
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rhetoric is on _ in pittsburgh. once again, the rhetoric is on both _ in pittsburgh. once again, the rhetoric is on both sides - in pittsburgh. once again, the rhetoric is on both sides of. in pittsburgh. once again, the| rhetoric is on both sides of the aisle. — rhetoric is on both sides of the aisle, that's what makes politics, peopte _ aisle, that's what makes politics, people don't like it sometimes, especially the closer we get to the election _ especially the closer we get to the election. bill it will be slinging from _ election. bill it will be slinging from both sides but the question is, what is _ from both sides but the question is, what is the — from both sides but the question is, what is the actual truth and will be ”p what is the actual truth and will be up to— what is the actual truth and will be up to the _ what is the actual truth and will be up to the american people to decide that on— up to the american people to decide that on election day. and up to the american people to decide that on election day.— that on election day. and ok, she's behind the national _ that on election day. and ok, she's behind the national polls, - that on election day. and ok, she's behind the national polls, that - behind the national polls, that doesn't matter much and it's what happened in the swing state but this endorsements, barack obama is a that come out in support in the next few hours, different styles coming out will those endorsements and the convention make a difference to the polls? i convention make a difference to the olls? ~ ., , , �* polls? i think absolutely. and i really think— polls? i think absolutely. and i really think in _ polls? i think absolutely. and i really think in regards - polls? i think absolutely. and i really think in regards to - polls? i think absolutely. and i really think in regards to the i polls? i think absolutely. and i - really think in regards to the swing states, i want to remind us that over 700,000 democrats voted against, voted and promoted in a primary which was a direct protest ofjoe biden's support for the israel assault on gaza point of those people are part of a really important coalition, young people and progressives that helped elect
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