middle, that is when you tire. absolutely. middle, that is when you tire. absolutely-— middle, that is when you tire. absolutel . �* absolutely. and the uk with the difficulties score _ absolutely. and the uk with the difficulties score is _ absolutely. and the uk with the difficulties score is to _ absolutely. and the uk with the difficulties score is to link - absolutely. and the uk with the difficulties score is to link the i difficulties score is to link the moves so, i think it was really... it was very special for me to experience. and after a deadly day in gaza and on israel's northern border, i'll be talking to the head of the palestinian mission to the uk, husam zomlot. and with us for the next hour, conservative mp alicia kearns, john lewis boss sharon white

and stephen fry. good morning — let's start by looking at the papers. the chancellor will set out details of pressures on public spending tomorrow — that's the big story for the sunday times. they say the nhs hospital building programme will be halted. many expect other changes will be coming too. the telegraph say the treasury have drawn up plans to raise capital gains tax. labour are promising a council house revolution, according to the sunday mirror. and leading for the sunday express — former home secretary priti patel has becoming the latest candidate to throw her hat in the ring for the tory leadership. warning, thank you for being with us. it's the last show before the

summer recess. the last time you on this programme, stephen fry, was in september. a lot has happened since then. it september. a lot has happened since then. . . , september. a lot has happened since then. . ., , ., ., then. it certainly has now with a new government _ then. it certainly has now with a new government because - then. it certainly has now with a new government because i - then. it certainly has now with a new government because i was| then. it certainly has now with a l new government because i was on then. it certainly has now with a - new government because i was on here to talk about ukraine, will be very interested to see how keir starmer and his government deal with ukraine problem and the russian problem and otherforeign problems. at the moment they are concentrating on finances but it will be interesting to see because ukraine needs our support, in my opinion. the labour government— support, in my opinion. the labour government have _ support, in my opinion. the labour government have made _ support, in my opinion. the labour government have made it - support, in my opinion. the labour government have made it clear - support, in my opinion. the labour| government have made it clear they will be doing exactly as the conservative government didn't continuing their support for president zelensky. priti patel announced last night that she is running to the next leader, what do you make of her pitch to give more power to tory members, those members who voted for liz truss to be prime minister? it’s who voted for liz truss to be prime minister? �* , ., , , ., minister? it's our members who durin: minister? it's our members who during the _ minister? it's our members who during the general— minister? it's our members who during the general election - minister? it's our members who | during the general election were minister? it's our members who - during the general election were out with me _ during the general election were out with me doing 25,000 steps knocking on door_ with me doing 25,000 steps knocking

on door after door, making the case for a _ on door after door, making the case for a conservative party, making the case for— for a conservative party, making the case for me — for a conservative party, making the case for me. it's right they have a role to— case for me. it's right they have a role to max — case for me. it's right they have a role to play-— role to play. the trust their judgment? _ role to play. the trust their judgment? my _ role to play. the trust their judgment? my members i role to play. the trust their. judgment? my members are role to play. the trust their— judgment? my members are phenomenal. the foisted judgment? my members are phenomenal. they foisted behind _ judgment? my members are phenomenal. they foisted behind me. _ judgment? my members are phenomenal. they foisted behind me. do _ judgment? my members are phenomenal. they foisted behind me. do you _ judgment? my members are phenomenal. they foisted behind me. do you trust - they foisted behind me. do you trust theirjudgment? _ they foisted behind me. do you trust theirjudgment? yes, _ they foisted behind me. do you trust theirjudgment? yes, stephen - theirjudgment? yes, stephen described it _ theirjudgment? yes, stephen described it earlier _ theirjudgment? yes, stephen described it earlier but - theirjudgment? yes, stephen - described it earlier but essentially when _ described it earlier but essentially when using party conference a bit like a _ when using party conference a bit like a democratic convention where they will_ like a democratic convention where they will be really tested and i'm really _ they will be really tested and i'm really pleased with the timeline because — really pleased with the timeline because it's far more extended than the normal— because it's far more extended than the normal timeline. because it's far more extended than the normaltimeline. in 2005 because it's far more extended than the normal timeline. in 2005 we had david _ the normal timeline. in 2005 we had david cameron come forward as candidates, he would never have been a candidate _ candidates, he would never have been a candidate had it not been for that process— a candidate had it not been for that process so— a candidate had it not been for that process so i— a candidate had it not been for that process so i think the members will -et process so i think the members will get the _ process so i think the members will get the opportunity they need this time to— get the opportunity they need this time to see our people tested that they haven't had in the past. it they haven't had in the past. [it won't they haven't had in the past. won't be they haven't had in the past. it won't be like the democratic convention this time which will end “p convention this time which will end up being a coronation, as we know. sharon white, we are about to hear from steve reed, the statement rachel reeves is going to make tomorrow revealing what she says is

the mess labour had inherited. used to work at the treasury, is it credible for them to say it's worse now, the books are worse now? in a now, the books are worse now? in a wa it's now, the books are worse now? in a way it's no — now, the books are worse now? in a way it's no surprise _ now, the books are worse now? in — way it's no surprise whoever won the election that they were going to look at the books and see unfunded spending pressures. at the same time public spending has never been so transparent. there is a fiscal watchdog, the obr, it's available for businesses, members of the public, to see spending plans. i suspect what the chancellor is going to do tomorrow is to say that there are some pressures, prison places, social care is another possibility, public sector pay rises, that any government would see coming down the track that we know as a country need to decide how we are going to fund them. �* , . to decide how we are going to fund them. . _,, to decide how we are going to fund them. �* , r to decide how we are going to fund

them. alyssa mae aherne is, you have a secific them. alyssa mae aherne is, you have a specific objection _ them. alyssa mae aherne is, you have a specific objection i'm _ them. alyssa mae aherne is, you have a specific objection i'm told _ them. alyssa mae aherne is, you have a specific objection i'm told about - a specific objection i'm told about a specific objection i'm told about a solar farm a specific objection i'm told about a solarfarm in your a specific objection i'm told about a solar farm in your constituency. but after stagnant growth in the uk under the conservatives, isn't it right that they get building in order to try and boost growth? the assessment _ order to try and boost growth? the assessment we have is we are going to have _ assessment we have is we are going to have the — assessment we have is we are going to have the greatest growth of any g7 to have the greatest growth of any 67 country — to have the greatest growth of any g7 country. we've all been through the pandemic together, we've all been _ the pandemic together, we've all been through the invasion of ukraine and the _ been through the invasion of ukraine and the fact we've come up the strongest — and the fact we've come up the strongest of it, that's not something to dismiss because all countries — something to dismiss because all countries have had enormous challenges. i want to see more houses — challenges. i want to see more houses built, i want to see solar power — houses built, i want to see solar ower. , ., i. power. does not in your constituency. _ power. does not in your constituency. i- power. does not in your constituency. i was - power. does not in your constituency. i was one| power. does not in your l constituency. i was one of power. does not in your - constituency. i was one of the power. does not in your _ constituency. i was one of the mps to overturn — constituency. i was one of the mps to overturn the _ constituency. i was one of the mps to overturn the ban _ constituency. i was one of the mps to overturn the ban on _ constituency. i was one of the mps to overturn the ban on wind - constituency. i was one of the mps to overturn the ban on wind on - constituency. i was one of the mps i to overturn the ban on wind on show but however — to overturn the ban on wind on show but however this specific proposal has been — but however this specific proposal has been found by the foreign office to have _ has been found by the foreign office to have the — has been found by the foreign office to have the highest exposure of any company— to have the highest exposure of any company in — to have the highest exposure of any company in the world. i have called what _ company in the world. i have called what is _ company in the world. i have called what is taking place in a genocide for over— what is taking place in a genocide for over 15— what is taking place in a genocide for over 15 years, i have can campaigned against it. the idea we use hiood _

campaigned against it. the idea we use blood labour in my constituency is something i won't stand for. the lahour— is something i won't stand for. the labour party said if they would take the chinese government to court. instead _ the chinese government to court. instead in — the chinese government to court. instead in three days ed miliband boasted — instead in three days ed miliband boasted about reading over 3000 documents. he is meant to take three months _ documents. he is meant to take three months to— documents. he is meant to take three months to look at each proposal. one proposal— months to look at each proposal. one proposal the planning inspectorate told him _ proposal the planning inspectorate told him to close down. he approved them _ told him to close down. he approved them we _ told him to close down. he approved them. we have to have mature, grown-up— them. we have to have mature, grown—up governance and the idea that we _ grown—up governance and the idea that we use blood labour is not something i will stand for. we can do it without slave labour. that is a choice _ do it without slave labour. that is a choice they've chosen not to make. so it's _ a choice they've chosen not to make. so it's not _ a choice they've chosen not to make. so it's not the — a choice they've chosen not to make. so it's not the location?— so it's not the location? we've said we'll have a — so it's not the location? we've said we'll have a solar _ so it's not the location? we've said we'll have a solar plant _ so it's not the location? we've said we'll have a solar plant as - so it's not the location? we've said we'll have a solar plant as a - we'll have a solar plant as a community but not this one. so, as we have been discussing, the chancellor, rachel reeves, will make a statement to mps tomorrow where she will set out

what she claims is the financial black hole in the public finances. let's talk now to the environment secretary, steve reed. so, how bad are you saying the public finances are now? irate so, how bad are you saying the public finances are now? we need the inheritance was _ public finances are now? we need the inheritance was going _ public finances are now? we need the inheritance was going to _ public finances are now? we need the inheritance was going to be _ public finances are now? we need the inheritance was going to be bad - public finances are now? we need the inheritance was going to be bad and i inheritance was going to be bad and that was flagged up. we've got into our offices and it's catastrophic. there were things that we could not have known during the election because the conservatives have not only not release the information but in some cases they've deliberately covered it up. if you take the prisons situation, that was one of the first crises that hit this new government. we were being reassured that there were enough places to lock up those offenders who had been sentenced to a custodial term in jail. the justice

sentenced to a custodial term in jail. thejustice secretary goes into the department and she's told the prime minister was given a letter by senior civil servants ahead of the election warning him of what they called critical failure and by august there would be no prison places left. ifjudges sentenced offenders they would not go to jail. irate sentenced offenders they would not no to “ail. ~ . ~ .,, ., go to “ail. we all knew there was a crisis go to jail. we all knew there was a crisis because _ go to jail. we all knew there was a crisis because the _ go to jail. we all knew there was a crisis because the last _ go to jail. we all knew there was a i crisis because the last government started the early release scheme backin started the early release scheme back in october and then extended it in may. irate back in october and then extended it in ma . ~ ~' ., , back in october and then extended it inma. ~' in may. we knew there was a problem and i was in may. we knew there was a problem and i was the — in may. we knew there was a problem and i was the shadow _ in may. we knew there was a problem and i was the shadowjustice - and i was the shadowjustice secretary until i became a shadow environment secretary in october and we were asking questions that shabana mahmood has. we were consistently reassured there would be enough places before we hit crisis. the prime minister had a letter telling him criticalfailure was on the way. no places from august of this year. the was on the way. no places from august of this year.— august of this year. the prison fi . ures august of this year. the prison figures are _ august of this year. the prison figures are publicly _ august of this year. the prison

figures are publicly available. i figures are publicly available. forgive me, the prison capacity figures are publicly available so how can you say it's worse than you thought? 50 how can you say it's worse than you thouaht? ~ , .,, thought? so the prime minister was warned this critical _ thought? so the prime minister was warned this critical failure _ thought? so the prime minister was warned this critical failure was - warned this critical failure was happening. we now know his own justice secretary was telling him to take the measures that labour took off that the general election. he refused, he called the general election, he covered up that information. we could not have known until we had won the election what was going on with the prisons. that's far from the only case. the ublic that's far from the only case. the public finance _ that's far from the only case. the public finance issues you've discovered that worse? that's a ublic discovered that worse? that's a public finance _ discovered that worse? that's a public finance issue _ discovered that worse? that's a public finance issue because - discovered that worse? that's a i public finance issue because prison places have to be built in order to accommodate the offenders. with three wonder as well, it was a gimmick, it was never going to resolve the issue of the small boats —— rwanda. but we were told that the

conservatives had spent 400 million to send just four volunteers back to rwanda. yvette cooper is appointed home secretary, finds out that they've actually spent 700 million. but 75% more than they had told us was the case. my question to conservative mps is, did you know and where you are involved in this cover—up or did you not know in which case they should be grateful that rachel reeves is now exposing the true extent of this catastrophic inheritance from the previous conservative government. 50 inheritance from the previous conservative government. so what rachel reeves _ conservative government. so what rachel reeves is _ conservative government. so what rachel reeves is going _ conservative government. so what rachel reeves is going to - conservative government. so what rachel reeves is going to do - rachel reeves is going to do tomorrow is talk about the public finances and you knew, everybody knew before the election that national debt was at its highest as a percentage of the size of the economy since the 60s, that growth in the last parliament was the second worst in the g7, the tax burden was at its highest since world war ii. we knew all that and pauljohnson on friday said, i don't think it's really very credible at all if you say it's worse than you

thought. quite, lots of individuals and organisations have pointed out that public services are performing considerably worse than they were before covid. we've seen birmingham and other local authorities are going bust. we've always known public sector pay is a long way behind private sector pay. they shouldn't be any sense of surprise that there is a big issue here. what you're saying you were surprised. irate you're saying you were surprised. , certainly always knew the inheritance was going to be bad. all the way through the election, it was only three weeks ago we were still fighting that election. people constantly saying to keir starmer and rachel reeves, he should spend more on this, invest in that, nationalise the other. we were very clear all the way through we were going to be responsible with the public finances because we understood the scale of the problem. i'm putting to you that you knew all this because it was in the obr document which is right here, which i'm sure you've read, it's all there and has been laid out publicly since march. ,., , ., and has been laid out publicly since march. , ., ., march. the point is we are going into our departments _

march. the point is we are going into our departments and - march. the point is we are going| into our departments and finding additional pressures that nobody knew about and the government had not disclosed. ijust knew about and the government had not disclosed. i just spoke about two of them, we found more in my department as well, so i've been looking at flood defences. it's not far off until the autumn when we tend to move into the flood season and were finding that the condition flood defences is far worse than we were led to believe. therefore that puts more pressure on the public finances if you want to sort that out. ., �* finances if you want to sort that out. ,, finances if you want to sort that out. .,�* ,, ., ,, out. you're presumably talking about relatively small _ out. you're presumably talking about relatively small amounts. _ out. you're presumably talking about relatively small amounts. the - relatively small amounts. the government spends £i.2 trillion every year. government spends £1.2 trillion every year-— government spends £1.2 trillion eve ear. , , ,, , ., every year. these pressures mount u -. every year. these pressures mount u. if every year. these pressures mount u -. if ou every year. these pressures mount up- if you look— every year. these pressures mount up. if you look at _ every year. these pressures mount up. if you look at the _ every year. these pressures mount up. if you look at the cost - every year. these pressures mount up. if you look at the cost of - up. if you look at the cost of providing those additional prison places, if you look at the cost... what is it? if places, if you look at the cost... what is it?— what is it? if you look at the rwanda clinic _ what is it? if you look at the rwanda clinic where - what is it? if you look at the rwanda clinic where 300 - what is it? if you look at the - rwanda clinic where 300 million additional had already been spent and they told us had been, you look across all of government and these

things add up. what rachel has done, we want to move away from this government of secrecy to a government of secrecy to a government of secrecy to a government of openness and transparency. so what rachel has done is commission on audit looking right across government and what she will be doing tomorrow is not a budget, it's outlining the findings from the audit. so we can tell the british people the true scale of the inheritance, we aren't going to shy away from the difficult decisions but we are determined to do everything in our power to stop to lay the foundations, to rebuild britain and give everybody the bright future that they deserve in this country. it bright future that they deserve in this country-— bright future that they deserve in thiscount . , ,, ., this country. it sounds like you are la in: the this country. it sounds like you are laying the foundations _ this country. it sounds like you are laying the foundations for - this country. it sounds like you are laying the foundations for taxes i this country. it sounds like you are laying the foundations for taxes to | laying the foundations for taxes to go laying the foundations for taxes to 9° up, laying the foundations for taxes to go up, correct? laying the foundations for taxes to go up. correct?— go up, correct? tomorrow is not about a budget. _ go up, correct? tomorrow is not about a budget. you _ go up, correct? tomorrow is not about a budget. you smiled - go up, correct? tomorrow is not| about a budget. you smiled when go up, correct? tomorrow is not i about a budget. you smiled when i said that, is _ about a budget. you smiled when i said that, is that's _ about a budget. you smiled when i said that, is that's what's - about a budget. you smiled when i said that, is that's what's going i said that, is that's what's going on? �* . . on? i've been reading the speculation. _ on? i've been reading the speculation. during - on? i've been reading the speculation. during the i on? i've been reading the - speculation. during the election labour was crystal clear, no increases in vat, national insurance or income tax. find increases in vat, national insurance or income tax— or income tax. and you're sticking to the pre-election _

or income tax. and you're sticking to the pre-election promise - or income tax. and you're sticking to the pre-election promise you i to the pre—election promise you won't put up any taxes that will affect working people?- won't put up any taxes that will affect working people? that's right. the reason we _ affect working people? that's right. the reason we want _ affect working people? that's right. the reason we want to _ affect working people? that's right. the reason we want to do _ affect working people? that's right. the reason we want to do that - affect working people? that's right. the reason we want to do that is i the reason we want to do that is after 14 years of the conservatives, we have the highest level of personal taxation on working people for 70 years. since the end of the second world war. we are in a cost of living crisis. this government will not seek to increase taxes on working people. the will not seek to increase taxes on working people-— working people. the overall tax burden is going _ working people. the overall tax burden is going to _ working people. the overall tax burden is going to be _ working people. the overall tax burden is going to be higher i working people. the overall tax i burden is going to be higher under labour according to the ifs. fiur labour according to the ifs. our intention is _ labour according to the ifs. our intention is to _ labour according to the ifs. qt" intention is to reduce taxes on working people because they are currently too high. we have to break out of what i call this tory doom loop where we have high taxation because we have low growth. we have to grow the economy if we want to reduce taxation and invest in public services. , . ., reduce taxation and invest in public services. . ., , reduce taxation and invest in public services. , . ., , services. just to be clear, because ou said services. just to be clear, because you said you _ services. just to be clear, because you said you wanted _ services. just to be clear, because you said you wanted to _ services. just to be clear, because you said you wanted to be - services. just to be clear, because you said you wanted to be honest| services. just to be clear, because l you said you wanted to be honest in government, the overall tax burden is going to go up to its highest ever under this labour government,

isn't it? ., ., isn't it? the intention over the course of _ isn't it? the intention over the course of parliament - isn't it? the intention over the course of parliament is - isn't it? the intention over the course of parliament is to - isn't it? the intention over the i course of parliament is to reduce taxation on working people. that wasn't my question. _ taxation on working people. that wasn't my question. the question is, the overall tax burden according to official figures is that it would be the highest that it's ever been on british people. the highest that it's ever been on british people-— the highest that it's ever been on british --eole. ~ . �* ., ., british people. what we're doing now is auoin british people. what we're doing now is going through _ british people. what we're doing now is going through a — british people. what we're doing now is going through a spending - british people. what we're doing now is going through a spending review. is going through a spending review process. we're not going to find out the answers to that tomorrow. i we're not going to find out the answers to that tomorrow. i have verse has — answers to that tomorrow. i have verse has got _ answers to that tomorrow. i have verse has got -- _ answers to that tomorrow. i have verse has got -- dif— answers to that tomorrow. i have verse has got -- dif s _ answers to that tomorrow. i have verse has got -- dif s has - answers to that tomorrow. i have verse has got -- dif s has got i answers to that tomorrow. i have | verse has got -- dif s has got the verse has got —— dif s has got the grass. verse has got -- dif s has got the crass. ~ . verse has got -- dif s has got the crass. . ., verse has got -- dif s has got the crass. ~ ., ., ., ~ ., verse has got -- dif s has got the crass. ~ ., ., , ., grass. we are looking to see how we can do better — grass. we are looking to see how we can do better full _ grass. we are looking to see how we can do better full as, _ grass. we are looking to see how we can do better full as, very _ can do betterfull as, very important we are open and transparent, by the time we get to the end of the spending review period, the chancellor will put forward the budget and that will tell us what will happen with taxation. ~ ., ., , tell us what will happen with taxation. ., taxation. we will not raise income tax, vat. — taxation. we will not raise income tax, vat, national— taxation. we will not raise income tax, vat, national insurance i taxation. we will not raise income tax, vat, national insurance on i

tax, vat, national insurance on working people. we have to break out of the doom loop because the conservative government could not quite into many —— grow the economy. i want to talk to you about your free. you have written in the newspaper today water bosses responsible for repeated illegal sewage dumping will face criminal charges. how many times will they be able to illegally dump sewage in our waterways before they are charged? i want to work in a much more open and transparent way with stakeholders, the public, campaigners. we will work it through as legislation goes through parliament. what i have done already, seven days into myjob, i had the water company chief executives in my office and i signed up executives in my office and i signed up to an initial package of measures that will start to turn the corner and what we have seen with record levels of illegal sewage dumping in our rivers. . . . levels of illegal sewage dumping in ourrivers. . , ., .,

our rivers. that is what i am asking about, our rivers. that is what i am asking about. how — our rivers. that is what i am asking about, how many _ our rivers. that is what i am asking about, how many times _ our rivers. that is what i am asking about, how many times will- our rivers. that is what i am asking about, how many times will waterl about, how many times will water bosses be able to illegally dump sewage before they are charged? irate sewage before they are charged? we will sewage before they are charged? , will be working it through the legislation and we will consult fully. legislation and we will consult full . ~ , fully. do you think it will be twice? three _ fully. do you think it will be twice? three strikes - fully. do you think it will be twice? three strikes and i fully. do you think it will be i twice? three strikes and out? fully. do you think it will be - twice? three strikes and out? ten times? , , . ., ., , ., times? the public are angry that does not seem _ times? the public are angry that does not seem to _ times? the public are angry that does not seem to be _ times? the public are angry that i does not seem to be accountability in the system. water bosses have got away with paying themselves bonuses for overseeing catastrophic failure. what i want to do is make accountability back into the system. it sounds like you are going to give them a chance, from what you have written in the mail on sunday, you will let them dump sewage illegally 8—bit, and when they have done it a few times, some kind of criminal charge. if few times, some kind of criminal charae. , . , , , charge. if they are responsible, the will charge. if they are responsible, they will face _ charge. if they are responsible, they will face criminal - charge. if they are responsible, they will face criminal charges, | charge. if they are responsible, i they will face criminal charges, for persistent, severe levels of illegal sewage dumping, we will ban the payment of multi—million pound bonuses while overseeing the kind of failure, ring fence customers' money

earmarked for the sewage system, it will be refunded to customers if it is not spent on that. you will be refunded to customers if it is not spent on that.— is not spent on that. you do not know how _ is not spent on that. you do not know how many _ is not spent on that. you do not know how many times - is not spent on that. you do not know how many times they i is not spent on that. you do not know how many times they will| is not spent on that. you do not i know how many times they will be able to do it? than know how many times they will be able to do it?— know how many times they will be able to do it? an important part of what we are _ able to do it? an important part of what we are planning _ able to do it? an important part of what we are planning to _ able to do it? an important part of what we are planning to do, i what we are planning to do, strengthening regulation, making it more consistent, we can make the sector more investable and we aim to bring in £88 billion of private sector investment in this parliament alone to start to clean up our water and invest in infrastructure. the second biggest investment in the economy in this entire parliament, it will bring jobs and good wages right across the country and it will allow us to stop cleaning polluted waterways. allow us to stop cleaning polluted waterwa s. . , . ., , waterways. thames water is in serious trouble, _ waterways. thames water is in serious trouble, as _ waterways. thames water is in serious trouble, as you - waterways. thames water is in serious trouble, as you know, l waterways. thames water is in i serious trouble, as you know, why don't you step on now and temporarily nationalise it, and some experts are suggesting?— temporarily nationalise it, and some experts are suggesting? thames water remains financially _ experts are suggesting? thames water remains financially viable, _ experts are suggesting? thames water remains financially viable, they - experts are suggesting? thames water remains financially viable, they are i remains financially viable, they are seeking to raise the funds they need moving forward. irate seeking to raise the funds they need moving forward-— seeking to raise the funds they need moving forward. we need to give them the sace moving forward. we need to give them the space to — moving forward. we need to give them the space to do — moving forward. we need to give them the space to do that. _

moving forward. we need to give them the space to do that. do _ moving forward. we need to give them the space to do that. do you _ moving forward. we need to give them the space to do that. do you think i the space to do that. do you think they will succeed? i the space to do that. do you think they will succeed?— the space to do that. do you think they will succeed? i very much hope they will succeed? i very much hope the will they will succeed? i very much hope they will succeed. _ they will succeed? i very much hope they will succeed. there _ they will succeed? i very much hope they will succeed. there is - they will succeed? i very much hope they will succeed. there is no i they will succeed? i very much hope they will succeed. there is no need | they will succeed. there is no need to have undue concern at the moment, they remain financially viable and there is no threat to water supply. 0k. part of your programme for government is investing in big green energy projects, pushing them through even when local residents do not want and, you will have had conservative anti—lady—macro saying a solar farm conservative anti—lady—macro saying a solarfarm in her constituency conservative anti—lady—macro saying a solar farm in her constituency is essentially complicit, the company behind it, in slave labour —— the conservative mp alishea can's. irate conservative mp alishea can's. we need to conservative mp alishea can's. - need to look at the supply chains for materials that will be used for generating solar energy, but i think the approach is the right one. one of the biggest drivers in the cost of the biggest drivers in the cost of living crisis is soaring energy bills. it has happened because we are overdependent on fossil fuels and the foreign supply chains. if we can take back control of energy,

wind, wave, solar, nuclear, we can cut household energy bills, make a more secure supply of that energy and create jobs and more secure supply of that energy and createjobs and investment more secure supply of that energy and create jobs and investment up and create jobs and investment up and down the country. that is why we want to do it and we have launched gp energy, with ed miliband, less than three weeks into this government. it is how determined we are to grow the economy —— gb energy. that is how we get away from the tory doom loop of low growth that has led to high tax. thea;r the tory doom loop of low growth that has led to high tax. they deny the are that has led to high tax. they deny they are complicit _ that has led to high tax. they deny they are complicit in _ that has led to high tax. they deny they are complicit in slave - that has led to high tax. they deny they are complicit in slave labour, | they are complicit in slave labour, just so i am clear. the accusation as it is about the supply chain. is that something you will look into? i don't know the details of that particular company, but absolutely, we want to look at supply chains to prevent abuses.— we want to look at supply chains to prevent abuses. thank you very much for talkinu prevent abuses. thank you very much for talking to — prevent abuses. thank you very much for talking to our _ prevent abuses. thank you very much for talking to our audience _ prevent abuses. thank you very much for talking to our audience this - for talking to our audience this morning, steve reed, new environment secretary. and do let us know your experiences. particularly if you are going to a british coastal resort this summer.

it is going to be a heatwave this week, but will you get into the water? email kuenssberg@bbc.co.uk or use the hashtag #bbclaurak and we'll try and share some of of the conversation later in the show. let's just reflect on that interview with steve reed with our panel. sharon white, do you buy what steve reedis sharon white, do you buy what steve reed is saying about things been worse in certain departments? i’m worse in certain departments? i'm not worse in certain departments? i�*rh not surprised there are what he described as precious. for me, the big issue, we saw this with both parties in the election campaign, by ruling out the big tax levers, income tax, vat, national insurance, and now means any options around taxation falls on a much smaller number of people and potentially much more distorted. they have now got some choices which to be frank if... eitheryou got some choices which to be frank if... either you stop spending, you have to borrow more, might be more

scope, interest rates coming down a bit, inflation will come down a bit, or sticking to the ambitions on public service reform, some taxes will have to go up.— will have to go up. stephen fry, don't know _ will have to go up. stephen fry, don't know how _ will have to go up. stephen fry, don't know how aware _ will have to go up. stephen fry, don't know how aware you i will have to go up. stephen fry, don't know how aware you were | will have to go up. stephen fry, i don't know how aware you were of the institute for fiscal studies in the company saying there is a conspiracy of silence with both the main parties? no one was talking about the trade—offs. believe me, i asked a lot of people, politicians, about tax rises and spending cuts. hat a lot of people, politicians, about tax rises and spending cuts. not my field, but talking _ tax rises and spending cuts. not my field, but talking of _ tax rises and spending cuts. not my field, but talking of fields, - tax rises and spending cuts. not my field, but talking of fields, the i field, but talking of fields, the thing — field, but talking of fields, the thing i— field, but talking of fields, the thing i picked up on that matter to me and _ thing i picked up on that matter to me and i_ thing i picked up on that matter to me and i think matters to an enormous _ me and i think matters to an enormous number of people, the water _ enormous number of people, the water in — enormous number of people, the water. in the days of brexit, we heard _ water. in the days of brexit, we heard the — water. in the days of brexit, we heard the phrase used again and again. _ heard the phrase used again and again, take back control, but not to have _ again, take back control, but not to have control — again, take back control, but not to have control of our water always struck _ have control of our water always struck me — have control of our water always struck me as insane for a country not to— struck me as insane for a country not to have — struck me as insane for a country not to have control of its rivers and lakes _ not to have control of its rivers and lakes and drinking water. he was ad'ustin: and lakes and drinking water. he was adjusting nationalisation? _ and lakes and drinking water. he was adjusting nationalisation? yes, i adjusting nationalisation? yes, before the _ adjusting nationalisation? yes, before the railways, _ adjusting nationalisation? yes, before the railways, surely i

adjusting nationalisation? yes, before the railways, surely the waterways? —— you are suggesting nationalisation? every single river in our— nationalisation? every single river in our country is polluted and contaminated, sewage, run—off, organophosphates, appalling. it is a disgrace _ organophosphates, appalling. it is a disgrace and it is one anyone who actually— disgrace and it is one anyone who actually lives in this country should _ actually lives in this country should feel in their deepest heart is an— should feel in their deepest heart is an urgent thing to put right. our water— is an urgent thing to put right. our water is _ is an urgent thing to put right. our water is our— is an urgent thing to put right. our water is our bloodstream. the conservative _ water is our bloodstream. tie: conservative government water is our bloodstream. tte: conservative government failed on this? ., . conservative government failed on this? . . ., ., ., , , this? france has nationalised its waters in the — this? france has nationalised its waters in the waters _ this? france has nationalised its waters in the waters were i this? france has nationalised its i waters in the waters were considered so polluted they almost had the cancel the olympics in france. ltrlul’hat cancel the olympics in france. what should ou cancel the olympics in france. what should you have _ cancel the olympics in france. what should you have done? _ cancel the olympics in france. what should you have done? the - cancel the olympics in france. what should you have done? the reason i cancel the olympics in france. what i should you have done? the reason why we have the — should you have done? the reason why we have the highest _ should you have done? the reason why we have the highest levels _ should you have done? the reason why we have the highest levels is _ we have the highest levels is because we exposed it. 2010, 6% of waterways were monitored, now it is 100%. i think that is good we exposed it, lifted the cap on what the fines would be, significant fines against water companies, but it takes time for change. what i

like it faster? of course. 1&1 it takes time for change. what i like it faster? of course. 14 years, uuite a like it faster? of course. 14 years, quite a long _ like it faster? of course. 14 years, quite a long time. _ like it faster? of course. 14 years, quite a long time. it _ like it faster? of course. 14 years, quite a long time. it takes - like it faster? of course. 14 years, quite a long time. it takes a i like it faster? of course. 14 years, quite a long time. it takes a long l quite a long time. it takes a long time to put— quite a long time. it takes a long time to put in — quite a long time. it takes a long time to put in place _ quite a long time. it takes a long time to put in place monitoring. | quite a long time. it takes a long l time to put in place monitoring. it took something like 12 years to get the monitoring in place because of the monitoring in place because of the infrastructure needed. i do not think nationalisation in france proves it isn't automatically the answer and quite often it is the opposite of the answer. let answer and quite often it is the opposite of the answer.- answer and quite often it is the opposite of the answer. let us turn to the other _ opposite of the answer. let us turn to the other big _ opposite of the answer. let us turn to the other big story _ opposite of the answer. let us turn to the other big story of _ opposite of the answer. let us turn to the other big story of the - opposite of the answer. let us turn to the other big story of the week, | to the other big story of the week, this time last sundayjoe biden was still in the us presidential race, now he has dropped out, his vp kamala harris has taken his place. this is what both her and her republican rival, donald trump, had to say at their rallies last night. so, now we have a new candidate to defeat — the most incompetent, unpopular and far—left vice president in american history, probably the most far—left person in american history. less than four months from now, minnesota is going to defeat kamala harris. cheering and applause and you may have noticed, donald trump has been resorting to some lies about my record

and some of what he and his running mate are saying... well, it isjust plain weird. it looks like it will be another historic candidacy, what do you make of kamala harris interesting, a week is a very long time in politics, i lived in the states for five years, clinton's second term, george w bush's first time, now it looks like a real race and i think for anybody who cares about a real race and i think for anybody who cares abou— a real race and i think for anybody who cares about democracy, anyone who cares about democracy, anyone who cares about democracy, anyone who cares about _ who cares about democracy, anyone who cares about real— who cares about democracy, anyone who cares about real competition i who cares about democracy, anyone who cares about real competition in | who cares about real competition in politics, it is an enormous positive. obviously, as somebody who has got caribbean heritage myself and you look at the us, now the majority either african—american and hispanic american, i think it is going to be a really interesting next few months.— going to be a really interesting next few months. ., , ., ,

next few months. donald trump has icked next few months. donald trump has -icked jd next few months. donald trump has picked jd vance _ next few months. donald trump has picked jd vance as _ next few months. donald trump has picked jd vance as his _ next few months. donald trump has picked jd vance as his vice - picked jd vance as his vice president candidate, he said a lot of controversial things about ukraine, including he did not care who won. you have been to ukraine to make a documentary, stephen fry. tell our audience about it. i was invited by _ tell our audience about it. i was invited by the _ tell our audience about it. i was invited by the first _ tell our audience about it. i was invited by the first lady, - tell our audience about it. i was invited by the first lady, 0lena| invited by the first lady, olena zeienska, — invited by the first lady, olena zelenska, to moderate a conference on mental_ zelenska, to moderate a conference on mental health. and i was astounded to visit a country which was in _ astounded to visit a country which was in full— astounded to visit a country which was in full war, the horrors of war, and yet _ was in full war, the horrors of war, and yet could — was in full war, the horrors of war, and yet could do such a thing, concentrate on the mental health of citizens _ concentrate on the mental health of citizens and its military. and i filmed — citizens and its military. and i filmed with my producer, director, we filmed, — filmed with my producer, director, we filmed, we were not stopped, we did not_ we filmed, we were not stopped, we did not have — we filmed, we were not stopped, we did not have anyone from the government over our shoulder, completely free to go around the country _ completely free to go around the country and film as much as we like, no censorship, astonishing. this is very worrying aboutjd no censorship, astonishing. this is very worrying about jd vance and others _ very worrying about jd vance and others who seem to think they can support— others who seem to think they can sopport or— others who seem to think they can

support or at least tacitly acknowledge putin as a reasonable tentative _ acknowledge putin as a reasonable tentative and they do not seem to realise _ tentative and they do not seem to realise it — tentative and they do not seem to realise it is— tentative and they do not seem to realise it is an existential war on part of— realise it is an existential war on part of ukraine for democracy, a way of life _ part of ukraine for democracy, a way of life that _ part of ukraine for democracy, a way of life that involves freedom of expression and of speech. we made this film _ expression and of speech. we made this film which will be showing on my youtube channel planet fry, an extraordinary experience. even this weekend _ extraordinary experience. even this weekend they had another conference on mentat— weekend they had another conference on mental health, specifically in the military, which i gave a small contribution to. i did not go this time _ contribution to. i did not go this time i— contribution to. i did not go this time. i enjoyed... again, ironically, _ time. i enjoyed... again, ironically, an air raid, extraordinary experience. i do think people _ extraordinary experience. i do think people should realise it is a very important — people should realise it is a very important struggle and that our sopport— important struggle and that our support for ukraine matters. you are noddin: in support for ukraine matters. you are nodding in agreement _ support for ukraine matters. you are nodding in agreement with _ support for ukraine matters. you are nodding in agreement with what - nodding in agreement with what stephen fry is saying, alicia kearns. former chair of the foreign affairs select committee, what is your view on the prospect of trump

andjd vance your view on the prospect of trump and jd vance government in the states when it comes to ukraine? completely agree with your points about _ completely agree with your points about finally — completely agree with your points about finally having _ completely agree with your points about finally having a _ completely agree with your pointsl about finally having a competition. the democrats _ about finally having a competition. the democrats were _ about finally having a competition. the democrats were feeling - about finally having a competition. the democrats were feeling quitel the democrats were feeling quite dead in— the democrats were feeling quite dead in the — the democrats were feeling quite dead in the water, _ the democrats were feeling quite dead in the water, and _ the democrats were feeling quite i dead in the water, and excitement. now we _ dead in the water, and excitement. now we have — dead in the water, and excitement. now we have a _ dead in the water, and excitement. now we have a complete _ dead in the water, and excitement. . now we have a complete rejuvenation. we need _ now we have a complete rejuvenation. we need to— now we have a complete rejuvenation. we need to fight _ now we have a complete rejuvenation. we need to fight. most _ now we have a complete rejuvenation. we need to fight. most important- we need to fight. most important democracy— we need to fight. most important democracy in _ we need to fight. most important democracy in the _ we need to fight. most important democracy in the world, - we need to fight. most importantl democracy in the world, arguably. we need to fight. most important. democracy in the world, arguably. i am concerned — democracy in the world, arguably. i am concerned about _ democracy in the world, arguably. i am concerned about many- democracy in the world, arguably. i am concerned about many things i democracy in the world, arguably. i j am concerned about many thingsjd vance _ am concerned about many thingsjd vance has— am concerned about many thingsjd vance has said _ am concerned about many thingsjd vance has said not _ am concerned about many thingsjd vance has said not least _ am concerned about many thingsjd vance has said not least his- vance has said not least his comments _ vance has said not least his comments about— vance has said not least his comments about kamala i vance has said not least his. comments about kamala harris vance has said not least his- comments about kamala harris being vance has said not least his— comments about kamala harris being a childless _ comments about kamala harris being a childless cat _ comments about kamala harris being a childless cat woman, _ comments about kamala harris being a childless cat woman, outrageous. - comments about kamala harris being a childless cat woman, outrageous. the. childless cat woman, outrageous. the fact it _ childless cat woman, outrageous. the fact it is _ childless cat woman, outrageous. the fact it is an— childless cat woman, outrageous. the fact it is an acceptable _ childless cat woman, outrageous. the fact it is an acceptable level— childless cat woman, outrageous. the fact it is an acceptable level of - fact it is an acceptable level of rhetoric — fact it is an acceptable level of rhetoric in _ fact it is an acceptable level of rhetoric in the _ fact it is an acceptable level of rhetoric in the country - fact it is an acceptable level of rhetoric in the country shouldl fact it is an acceptable level of - rhetoric in the country should make us even _ rhetoric in the country should make us even more — rhetoric in the country should make us even more concerned _ rhetoric in the country should make us even more concerned about - rhetoric in the country should make l us even more concerned about things like foreign _ us even more concerned about things like foreign policy— us even more concerned about things like foreign policy that _ us even more concerned about things like foreign policy that so _ us even more concerned about things like foreign policy that so often - us even more concerned about things like foreign policy that so often do . like foreign policy that so often do not feature — like foreign policy that so often do not feature in _ like foreign policy that so often do not feature in the _ like foreign policy that so often do not feature in the thinking - like foreign policy that so often do not feature in the thinking of - like foreign policy that so often do not feature in the thinking of the i not feature in the thinking of the electorate — not feature in the thinking of the electorate when _ not feature in the thinking of the electorate when they— not feature in the thinking of the electorate when they are - not feature in the thinking of the l electorate when they are deciding. ukraine _ electorate when they are deciding. ukraine is— electorate when they are deciding. ukraine is existential— electorate when they are deciding. ukraine is existential because - electorate when they are deciding. ukraine is existential because they are fighting — ukraine is existential because they are fighting for _ ukraine is existential because they are fighting for our— ukraine is existential because they are fighting for our freedoms - ukraine is existential because they are fighting for our freedoms and i are fighting for our freedoms and the concept — are fighting for our freedoms and the concept that _ are fighting for our freedoms and the concept that sovereignty - are fighting for our freedoms and l the concept that sovereignty cannot be achieved — the concept that sovereignty cannot be achieved through _ the concept that sovereignty cannot be achieved through violence, - the concept that sovereignty cannot be achieved through violence, a - be achieved through violence, a lesson— be achieved through violence, a lesson we — be achieved through violence, a lesson we need _ be achieved through violence, a lesson we need to _ be achieved through violence, a lesson we need to learn - be achieved through violence, a lesson we need to learn for - be achieved through violence, a i lesson we need to learn for taiwan and kosovo — lesson we need to learn for taiwan and kosovo so _ lesson we need to learn for taiwan and kosovo. so many— lesson we need to learn for taiwan and kosovo. so many parallels- lesson we need to learn for taiwan l and kosovo. so many parallels here. i am gravely — and kosovo. so many parallels here. i am gravely concerned. _ and kosovo. so many parallels here. i am gravely concerned. if— and kosovo. so many parallels here. i am gravely concerned.— i am gravely concerned. if donald trump wins. _ i am gravely concerned. if donald trump wins, could _ i am gravely concerned. if donald trump wins, could you _ i am gravely concerned. if donald trump wins, could you have - i am gravely concerned. if donald i trump wins, could you have support ukraine militarily, financially, humanitarian aid on its own? we would have to. how? _

humanitarian aid on its own? we would have to. how? win - humanitarian aid on its own? we would have to. how? win comesj humanitarian aid on its own? we - would have to. how? win comes back to defence spending. _ would have to. how? win comes back to defence spending. i _ would have to. how? win comes back to defence spending. i have _ would have to. how? win comes back to defence spending. i have called - to defence spending. i have called for a return to 3%... what do you say to voters? for a return to 396. .. what do you say to voters?— for a return to 396... what do you say to voters? you need to pull your weiuht. i say to voters? you need to pull your weight- i was _ say to voters? you need to pull your weight. i was very _ say to voters? you need to pull your weight. i was very angry _ say to voters? you need to pull your weight. i was very angry at - say to voters? you need to pull your| weight. i was very angry at germany, they slashed — weight. i was very angry at germany, they slashed by— weight. i was very angry at germany, they slashed by half _ weight. i was very angry at germany, they slashed by half the _ weight. i was very angry at germany, they slashed by half the amount - weight. i was very angry at germany, they slashed by half the amount of. they slashed by half the amount of money— they slashed by half the amount of money they— they slashed by half the amount of money they are _ they slashed by half the amount of money they are giving _ they slashed by half the amount of money they are giving to _ they slashed by half the amount of money they are giving to ukraine. i money they are giving to ukraine. fascinating, — money they are giving to ukraine. fascinating, the _ money they are giving to ukraine. fascinating, the balkan _ money they are giving to ukraine. l fascinating, the balkan countries... sorry. _ fascinating, the balkan countries... sorry. the _ fascinating, the balkan countries... sorry, the baltics, _ fascinating, the balkan countries... sorry, the baltics, nordics, - sorry, the baltics, nordics, understand — sorry, the baltics, nordics, understand the _ sorry, the baltics, nordics, understand the threat - sorry, the baltics, nordics, understand the threat of. sorry, the baltics, nordics, - understand the threat of russia, they are — understand the threat of russia, they are spending _ understand the threat of russia, they are spending enormous - understand the threat of russia, - they are spending enormous presence on defending — they are spending enormous presence on defending europe. _ they are spending enormous presence on defending europe. the _ they are spending enormous presence on defending europe. the older- on defending europe. the older european — on defending europe. the older european capitals— on defending europe. the older european capitals are _ on defending europe. the older european capitals are not - on defending europe. the older european capitals are not doingj on defending europe. the older- european capitals are not doing what is necessary — european capitals are not doing what is necessary if— european capitals are not doing what is necessary. if we _ european capitals are not doing what is necessary. if we saw— european capitals are not doing what is necessary. if we saw conflict - european capitals are not doing what is necessary. if we saw conflict in - is necessary. if we saw conflict in the indo—pacific, _ is necessary. if we saw conflict in the indo—pacific, we _ is necessary. if we saw conflict in the indo—pacific, we would - is necessary. if we saw conflict in the indo—pacific, we would needl is necessary. if we saw conflict in i the indo—pacific, we would need to step up _ the indo—pacific, we would need to step up as — the indo-pacific, we would need to ste u. �* , ., the indo-pacific, we would need to ste- u. a. the indo-pacific, we would need to ste--u. ., step up. as a message from politicians — step up. as a message from politicians to _ step up. as a message from politicians to voters, - step up. as a message from i politicians to voters, wherever step up. as a message from - politicians to voters, wherever you are across europe, people going through cost of living crisis, the energy shock, what i'm staying is, if america cut support, it is a big ask. but

what i'm staying is, if america cut support, it is a big ask.— support, it is a big ask. but we have to step — support, it is a big ask. but we have to step in. _ support, it is a big ask. but we have to step in. there - support, it is a big ask. but we have to step in. there is - support, it is a big ask. but we i have to step in. there is nothing more important than security and a sense of safety, but also as she says, this is happening on our doorstep. says, this is happening on our doorstep-— says, this is happening on our doorste. . ~ ., , says, this is happening on our doorste. . ~' . , ., doorstep. talking about the rise of --oulism doorstep. talking about the rise of populism throughout _ doorstep. talking about the rise of populism throughout europe, - doorstep. talking about the rise of populism throughout europe, it. doorstep. talking about the rise of populism throughout europe, it is| populism throughout europe, it is fuelled _ populism throughout europe, it is fuelled a — populism throughout europe, it is fuelled a lot in part at least through— fuelled a lot in part at least through the social media and other forms— through the social media and other forms by— through the social media and other forms by russia. they support the film forms by russia. they support the right wing — forms by russia. they support the right wing popular wrists who then in turn, _ right wing popular wrists who then in turn, offertheir support right wing popular wrists who then in turn, offer their support to russia — in turn, offer their support to russia and suggest all kinds of compromises.— russia and suggest all kinds of comromises. , , , ,., ., compromises. they support whoever the will compromises. they support whoever they will think _ compromises. they support whoever they will think will _ compromises. they support whoever they will think will help _ compromises. they support whoever they will think will help their - they will think will help their means _ they will think will help their means you _ they will think will help their means. you see _ they will think will help their means. you see russian- they will think will help their - means. you see russian support the far left— means. you see russian support the far left groups — means. you see russian support the far left groups as _ means. you see russian support the far left groups as well. _ means. you see russian support the far left groups as well. the - far left groups as well. the horseshoe. _ far left groups as well. the horseshoe. exactly, - far left groups as well. the horseshoe. exactly, you i far left groups as well. the | horseshoe. exactly, you see far left groups as well. the - horseshoe. exactly, you see the extreme far _ horseshoe. exactly, you see the extreme far right _ horseshoe. exactly, you see the extreme far right and _ horseshoe. exactly, you see the extreme far right and the - horseshoe. exactly, you see the i extreme far right and the extreme far right _ extreme far right and the extreme far right supporting _ extreme far right and the extreme far right supporting russia. - extreme far right and the extreme far right supporting russia. if- extreme far right and the extreme far right supporting russia. if you i far right supporting russia. if you look at _ far right supporting russia. if you look at the — far right supporting russia. if you look at the battle _ far right supporting russia. if you look at the battle taking - far right supporting russia. if you look at the battle taking place - far right supporting russia. if you look at the battle taking place on| far right supporting russia. if you. look at the battle taking place on a daily basis. — look at the battle taking place on a daily basis. it — look at the battle taking place on a daily basis. it is _ look at the battle taking place on a daily basis, it is the _ look at the battle taking place on a daily basis, it is the battle - look at the battle taking place on a daily basis, it is the battle over- daily basis, it is the battle over truth _ daily basis, it is the battle over truth and — daily basis, it is the battle over truth and who _ daily basis, it is the battle over truth and who is _ daily basis, it is the battle over truth and who is correct. - daily basis, it is the battle over truth and who is correct. and . daily basis, it is the battle over- truth and who is correct. and russia is working _ truth and who is correct. and russia is working hard _ truth and who is correct. and russia is working hard to _

truth and who is correct. and russia is working hard to undermine - is working hard to undermine confidence _ is working hard to undermine confidence in _ is working hard to undermine confidence in fact, _ is working hard to undermine confidence in fact, truth - is working hard to undermine confidence in fact, truth and. confidence in fact, truth and international— confidence in fact, truth and international rules - confidence in fact, truth and international rules —based . confidence in fact, truth and - international rules —based system. i international rules —based system. remember talking to first lady zelensky when chat about the cost of living crisis. i remember her staying, it costs you money and it customers our lives.— staying, it costs you money and it i customers our lives._ one customers our lives. every day. one ofthe customers our lives. every day. one of the most — customers our lives. every day. one of the most commercial— customers our lives. every day. one of the most commercial american i of the most commercial american plays has just of the most commercial american plays hasjust debited. they encouraged black audiences. in it, kate harrison —— mist harrison talks about his marriage to his wife. we have been to see it.— about his marriage to his wife. we have been to see it. yes? can i... can i comment? _ have been to see it. yes? can i... can i comment? essentially, - have been to see it. yes? can i... can i comment? essentially, at. have been to see it. yes? can i... | can i comment? essentially, at its core, it is can i comment? essentially, at its core. it is a _ can i comment? essentially, at its core. it is a play — can i comment? essentially, at its core, it is a play about _ can i comment? essentially, at its

core, it is a play about three - core, it is a play about three couples that are working on their relationship in a very unconventional way. relationship in a very unconventionalway. it relationship in a very unconventional way. it is dealing with race, sexuality and love, at the core of the story. it is with race, sexuality and love, at the core of the story.— the core of the story. it is a love sto . the core of the story. it is a love story- and _ the core of the story. it is a love story- and it _ the core of the story. it is a love story. and it may _ the core of the story. it is a love story. and it may be _ the core of the story. it is a love story. and it may be a _ the core of the story. it is a love story. and it may be a weird - the core of the story. it is a love i story. and it may be a weird thing to say— story. and it may be a weird thing to say that — story. and it may be a weird thing to say that about their play with everything you watch, but it is essentially about three couples trying _ essentially about three couples trying to — essentially about three couples trying to work through their differences and see if their love can he — differences and see if their love can be mended and work through. but it is also— can be mended and work through. but it is also really, at the heart of it, it is also really, at the heart of it. for— it is also really, at the heart of it. for me. _ it is also really, at the heart of it, for me, it is about who carries the weight— it, for me, it is about who carries the weight of slavery.— the weight of slavery. very difficult issues. _ the weight of slavery. very difficult issues. their - the weight of slavery. very| difficult issues. their legacy the weight of slavery. , difficult issues. their legacy of slavery, whether or not that is a challenge in internet shall —— interracial relationships. that's tough. interracial relationships. that's tou . h. ., ., interracial relationships. that's touh, ., ., ., interracial relationships. that's touch. ., ., ., .,~ interracial relationships. that's touch. ., ., ., .~. ., tough. you do not walk away from this -la tough. you do not walk away from this play feeling — tough. you do not walk away from this play feeling elated _ tough. you do not walk away from this play feeling elated like - tough. you do not walk away from this play feeling elated like you i tough. you do not walk away from j this play feeling elated like you do from most theatre. i don't think the

audience _ from most theatre. i don't think the audience come away feeling elated. they feel— audience come away feeling elated. they feel sucker punch. we are going out and _ they feel sucker punch. we are going out and staying words to each other and at _ out and staying words to each other and at each — out and staying words to each other and at each other that you should not and _ and at each other that you should not and do — and at each other that you should not and do not hear altered in society — not and do not hear altered in socie . ., , ., not and do not hear altered in socie . ., ., , society. for you, also, is it daunting — society. for you, also, is it daunting for _ society. for you, also, is it daunting for you _ society. for you, also, is it daunting for you to - society. for you, also, is it daunting for you to do i society. for you, also, is it daunting for you to do a i society. for you, also, is it. daunting for you to do a play society. for you, also, is it- daunting for you to do a play that is notjust physical but involves full nudity? you don't see that often on the stage! did full nudity? you don't see that often on the stage!— full nudity? you don't see that often on the stage! did that don't ou? ve often on the stage! did that don't you? very much _ often on the stage! did that don't you? very much so. _ often on the stage! did that don't you? very much so. i— often on the stage! did that don't you? very much so. i thought i often on the stage! did that don't you? very much so. i thought it. you? very much so. i thought it would _ you? very much so. i thought it would get — you? very much so. i thought it would get easier every time. i thought— would get easier every time. i thought i_ would get easier every time. i thought i would get used to it, but i thought i would get used to it, but i have _ thought i would get used to it, but i have not — thought i would get used to it, but i have not. every night, i thought i would get used to it, but i have not. every night, lam kind of terrified — i have not. every night, lam kind of terrified. it is as they say, you kind _ of terrified. it is as they say, you kind of. — of terrified. it is as they say, you kind of, everyone's teenage nightmare is getting naked in front of 900 _ nightmare is getting naked in front of 900 people. laughter and i apparently have not moved on from being — and i apparently have not moved on from being a teenager. a and i apparently have not moved on from being a teenager. its lot and i apparently have not moved on from being a teenager.— from being a teenager. a lot of teenaue from being a teenager. a lot of teenage nightmares _ from being a teenager. a lot of teenage nightmares might i from being a teenager. a lot of teenage nightmares might be i from being a teenager. a lot of- teenage nightmares might be about getting naked in front of one person, but 900? in terms of the content of the play, it explores

lots of things, love, sexuality and relationships, but also the notion that in america, people are still living with the legacy of slavery. what would you say about the current america, in this turbulent time? would you say comes forward in terms of how different races can live together, how into racial relationships can work? it’s relationships can work? it's creatina relationships can work? it's creating a _ relationships can work? it's creating a space _ relationships can work? it�*s creating a space for people to be heard. it might not feel good for some people. just to be patient. your feelings are important and so are theirs. maybe we can create a space where everyone can hear each other. ., , ., other. one of the things that has been controversial— other. one of the things that has been controversial about - other. one of the things that has been controversial about the i other. one of the things that has| been controversial about the play that the brighter had the idea that only black people should come on some nights to see the play. what did you think about that? i some nights to see the play. what did you think about that?- did you think about that? i have come to realise _ did you think about that? i have come to realise and _ did you think about that? i have come to realise and believe i did you think about that? i have | come to realise and believe that did you think about that? i have i come to realise and believe that it is an— come to realise and believe that it is an incredibly positive thing. we

had our— is an incredibly positive thing. we had our first blackout night the other— had our first blackout night the other night. it was an incredible show _ other night. it was an incredible show the — other night. it was an incredible show. the energy on stage and in the audience _ show. the energy on stage and in the audience was unlike anything i've ever experienced. i do believe that with this _ ever experienced. i do believe that with this play and what it is saying. _ with this play and what it is saying, that having a place where a certain _ saying, that having a place where a certain group of people can come and feel open— certain group of people can come and feel open to — certain group of people can come and feel open to laughing in a certain way. _ feel open to laughing in a certain way, reacting in a certain way, in safety— way, reacting in a certain way, in safety for— way, reacting in a certain way, in safety for two nights of the entire run is _ safety for two nights of the entire run is a _ safety for two nights of the entire run is a great thing.— run is a great thing. some people watchin: , run is a great thing. some people watching, though, _ run is a great thing. some people watching, though, and _ run is a great thing. some people watching, though, and a - run is a great thing. some people watching, though, and a former. run is a great thing. some people i watching, though, and a former prime minister rishi sunak felt it was very divisive in the uk in 2024 to say, tonight only one group of people can come to the show. these seats can only be felt and night with black people.— seats can only be felt and night with black people. number one, if ou are with black people. number one, if you are white. _ with black people. number one, if you are white, no _ with black people. number one, if you are white, no one _ with black people. number one, if you are white, no one is _ with black people. number one, if you are white, no one is stopping | you are white, no one is stopping you are white, no one is stopping you buying — you are white, no one is stopping you buying a ticket. it is not illegal— you buying a ticket. it is not illegal to _ you buying a ticket. it is not illegal to buy a ticket for that

show — illegal to buy a ticket for that show it— illegal to buy a ticket for that show. it is saying that we prefer the audience to be there. number two, _ the audience to be there. number two. you — the audience to be there. number two, you go, i have been going to the theatre — two, you go, i have been going to the theatre since i was young with my mum — the theatre since i was young with my mum i— the theatre since i was young with my mum. i have only ever really know predominantly white audiences. it is still a _ predominantly white audiences. it is still a particular whitespace. to have _ still a particular whitespace. to have the — still a particular whitespace. to have the argument that this is discriminating against white people is vaguely strange and ridiculous. what _ is vaguely strange and ridiculous. what did — is vaguely strange and ridiculous. what did you think about that concept? to what did you think about that conce t? ., , , ., . ~ what did you think about that concet? ., , , ., . ~ ., what did you think about that concet? ., , , ., , ., concept? to see black and brown --eole in concept? to see black and brown people in a _ concept? to see black and brown people in a 900 _ concept? to see black and brown people in a 900 seat _ concept? to see black and brown people in a 900 seat theatre, i concept? to see black and brown people in a 900 seat theatre, as| concept? to see black and brown i people in a 900 seat theatre, as an audience member i had never experienced that, so i think it was really very special for me to experience and doing this play, because as you said, it is difficult, it can get hard for people to hear this matter. to feel supported by this room in a different kind of way, it fell great. fit different kind of way, it fell areat. . ., , different kind of way, it fell areat. , ., , ., ,

great. of course, lots of people watchin: great. of course, lots of people watching this _ great. of course, lots of people watching this know— great. of course, lots of people watching this know you - great. of course, lots of people watching this know you as i great. of course, lots of people watching this know you as john | great. of course, lots of people i watching this know you as john snow, watching this know you asjohn snow, kit, i know it is not an exciting or excite fall question, is there going to be more game of thrones? i will]! to be more game of thrones? i will sa this, to be more game of thrones? ! will say this. i— to be more game of thrones? i will say this. i hope _ to be more game of thrones? i will say this, i hope that _ to be more game of thrones? i will say this, i hope that in _ to be more game of thrones? i will say this, i hope that in the - to be more game of thrones? i will say this, i hope that in the future there _ say this, i hope that in the future there will— say this, i hope that in the future there will be a return of that character _ there will be a return of that character at a moment. there is not a story— character at a moment. there is not a story for— character at a moment. there is not a story for him to tell at the moment, _ a story for him to tell at the moment, so you don't want to ruin a beloved _ moment, so you don't want to ruin a beloved character by taking it too far. ~ ., ., , beloved character by taking it too far. ., ., , far. what would be the right story? laughter no idea. , ., ., laughter noidea. , . , no idea. lets have a brainstorm. is that what it — no idea. lets have a brainstorm. is that what it is? — no idea. lets have a brainstorm. is that what it is? otherwise - no idea. lets have a brainstorm. is| that what it is? otherwise everyone is like... said _ that what it is? otherwise everyone is like... said john _ that what it is? otherwise everyone is like... said john snow _ that what it is? otherwise everyone is like... said john snow will - that what it is? otherwise everyone is like... said john snow will come. is like... said john snow will come back maybe _ is like... said john snow will come back maybe when _ is like... said john snow will come back maybe when you _ is like... said john snow will come back maybe when you have - is like... said john snow will come back maybe when you have some. back maybe when you have some silver, salt—and—pepper going on. why not? laughter thank you for speaking to us today. and the play is at the theatre in

london until the 21st of september. what do you make of specific audiences for specific nights? i will be go myself and i won't go on one of the specific evening is dedicated to people of cairo. and i know people say smartly, —— people of colour. people will say smartly that you could not say that black people can't go. and i went to opera and i looked, and the number of people of colour there were tiny. there were two, perhaps! use your imagination, they look at events that were theatre or opera or something else and they say, that is not for me. they feel out of place. how do i dress? what do i look like? i'm surrounded by white people. think about it a bit and think about how theatre could be opened up to a whole population of people and they

might then be in ordinary mixed audiences. i think it is a fair idea. it is unfair to say let's put the other case and imagine whites were banned because it is not like that. ~ ., were banned because it is not like that. . . . were banned because it is not like that. ~ . ., were banned because it is not like that. . ., | .o were banned because it is not like that-_ i go to - were banned because it is not like that._ i go to the | that. what about you? i go to the theatre quite _ that. what about you? i go to the theatre quite a _ that. what about you? i go to the theatre quite a lot. _ that. what about you? i go to the theatre quite a lot. probably i that. what about you? i go to the theatre quite a lot. probably not. theatre quite a lot. probably not quite _ theatre quite a lot. probably not quite as— theatre quite a lot. probably not quite as much as stephen. i have never— quite as much as stephen. i have never been — quite as much as stephen. i have never been to a theatre production where _ never been to a theatre production where the — never been to a theatre production where the only people of colour there _ where the only people of colour there were my family and one or two others _ there were my family and one or two others as— there were my family and one or two others as i— there were my family and one or two others. as i thought about it, i thought— others. as i thought about it, i thought it _ others. as i thought about it, i thought it is controversial, but i have _ thought it is controversial, but i have got— thought it is controversial, but i have got myself quite relaxed about it. particularly as he was saying, white _ it. particularly as he was saying, white people are not being banned, but it— white people are not being banned, but it creates a different environment. whether i would actually— environment. whether i would actually go to the play, i am not sure _ actually go to the play, i am not sure lt— actually go to the play, i am not sure. ., , ., , ., , sure. it would be a very tough play, as ou sure. it would be a very tough play, as you say- — sure. it would be a very tough play, as you say- that — sure. it would be a very tough play, as you say. that sucker _ sure. it would be a very tough play, as you say. that sucker punch. i i sure. it would be a very tough play, as you say. that sucker punch. i do | as you say. that sucker punch. i do think it provokes _ as you say. that sucker punch. i do think it provokes a _ as you say. that sucker punch. i do

think it provokes a different - think it provokes a different conversation to communities. theatre is where we — conversation to communities. theatre is where we test _ conversation to communities. theatre is where we test ourselves _ conversation to communities. theatre is where we test ourselves and - conversation to communities. theatre is where we test ourselves and i'm i is where we test ourselves and i'm deeply— is where we test ourselves and i'm deeply uncomfortable _ is where we test ourselves and i'm deeply uncomfortable by _ is where we test ourselves and i'm deeply uncomfortable by the - is where we test ourselves and i'm deeply uncomfortable by the idea i is where we test ourselves and i'm. deeply uncomfortable by the idea of us aggravating — deeply uncomfortable by the idea of us aggravating by _ deeply uncomfortable by the idea of us aggravating by any— deeply uncomfortable by the idea of us aggravating by any background, i us aggravating by any background, especially— us aggravating by any background, especially the _ us aggravating by any background, especially the idea _ us aggravating by any background, especially the idea of— us aggravating by any background, especially the idea of america's i especially the idea of america's relation — especially the idea of america's relation with— especially the idea of america's relation with race _ especially the idea of america's relation with race which - especially the idea of america's relation with race which is - especially the idea of america's relation with race which is so i relation with race which is so different— relation with race which is so different to _ relation with race which is so different to the _ relation with race which is so different to the uk. - relation with race which is so different to the uk. i- relation with race which is so different to the uk. i think i relation with race which is so i different to the uk. i think that the working _ different to the uk. i think that the working class _ different to the uk. i think that the working class white - different to the uk. i think that the working class white man i different to the uk. ithinkthat- the working class white man would feeliust _ the working class white man would feeliust as— the working class white man would feeljust as uncomfortable - the working class white man would feeljust as uncomfortable as - the working class white man would feeljust as uncomfortable as any. feeljust as uncomfortable as any person— feeljust as uncomfortable as any person of— feeljust as uncomfortable as any person of colour— feeljust as uncomfortable as any person of colour going _ feeljust as uncomfortable as any person of colour going to - feeljust as uncomfortable as any person of colour going to the i person of colour going to the theatre _ person of colour going to the theatre the _ person of colour going to the theatre. the colour- person of colour going to the theatre. the colour purple, l person of colour going to the | theatre. the colour purple, in person of colour going to the - theatre. the colour purple, in new york, _ theatre. the colour purple, in new york, we _ theatre. the colour purple, in new york, we were _ theatre. the colour purple, in new york, we were one _ theatre. the colour purple, in new york, we were one of— theatre. the colour purple, in new york, we were one of the - theatre. the colour purple, in new york, we were one of the only- theatre. the colour purple, in new. york, we were one of the only white couples— york, we were one of the only white couples in— york, we were one of the only white couples in the — york, we were one of the only white couples in the room. _ york, we were one of the only white couples in the room. and _ york, we were one of the only white couples in the room. and i- york, we were one of the only white couples in the room. and i was- york, we were one of the only white couples in the room. and i was sat i couples in the room. and i was sat there _ couples in the room. and i was sat there thinking, _ couples in the room. and i was sat there thinking, more _ couples in the room. and i was sat there thinking, more white - couples in the room. and i was sat there thinking, more white peoplej there thinking, more white people should _ there thinking, more white people should see — there thinking, more white people should see theirs. _ there thinking, more white people should see theirs. i— there thinking, more white people should see theirs. i never- there thinking, more white people should see theirs. i never support| should see theirs. i never support something — should see theirs. i never support something that _ should see theirs. i never support something that segregates. - should see theirs. i never support something that segregates. we i should see theirs. i never support i something that segregates. we need to make _ something that segregates. we need to make sure — something that segregates. we need to make sure that _ something that segregates. we need to make sure that theatre _ something that segregates. we need to make sure that theatre is- something that segregates. we need to make sure that theatre is open- something that segregates. we need to make sure that theatre is open tol to make sure that theatre is open to all. to make sure that theatre is open to all it— to make sure that theatre is open to all it has— to make sure that theatre is open to all it has far— to make sure that theatre is open to all. it has far more _ to make sure that theatre is open to all. it has far more to— to make sure that theatre is open to all. it has far more to do— to make sure that theatre is open to all. it has far more to do with - all. it has far more to do with economics _ all. it has far more to do with economics and _ all. it has far more to do with economics and where - all. it has far more to do with economics and where peoplel all. it has far more to do with i economics and where people are in the country— economics and where people are in the country as— economics and where people are in the country as to _ economics and where people are in the country as to whether- economics and where people are in the country as to whether they i economics and where people are in the country as to whether they are i the country as to whether they are exposed _ the country as to whether they are exposed to— the country as to whether they are exposed to theatre _ the country as to whether they are exposed to theatre and _ the country as to whether they are exposed to theatre and we - the country as to whether they are exposed to theatre and we need i the country as to whether they are |

exposed to theatre and we need to the country as to whether they are i exposed to theatre and we need to do that because — exposed to theatre and we need to do that because theatre _ exposed to theatre and we need to do that because theatre is— exposed to theatre and we need to do that because theatre is key to - that because theatre is key to seeing — that because theatre is key to seeing the _ that because theatre is key to seeing the world. _ that because theatre is key to seeing the world. find - that because theatre is key to seeing the world.— that because theatre is key to seeing the world. and there cost of ticket! you — seeing the world. and there cost of ticket! you can, _ seeing the world. and there cost of ticket! you can, but _ seeing the world. and there cost of ticket! you can, but you _ seeing the world. and there cost of ticket! you can, but you have i seeing the world. and there cost of ticket! you can, but you have to i seeing the world. and there cost of ticket! you can, but you have to be| ticket! you can, but you have to be on the smartphone _ ticket! you can, but you have to be on the smartphone at _ ticket! you can, but you have to be on the smartphone at the - ticket! you can, but you have to be on the smartphone at the early i on the smartphone at the early morning — on the smartphone at the early morninu. . ., on the smartphone at the early mornin.. , ., .,, on the smartphone at the early mornin.. , . . , ., , morning. israel has left dozens in'ured morning. israel has left dozens injured and _ morning. israel has left dozens injured and 13 _ morning. israel has left dozens injured and 13 people _ morning. israel has left dozens injured and 13 people killed i morning. israel has left dozens. injured and 13 people killed after rockets. it follows a deadly rocket attack on the israeli—occupied golan heights on saturday — in which at least12 people were killed. most of the casualties were teenagers, who were playing football in the town of majdal shams. israel has blamed lebanon's hezbollah movement — it has denied responsibility. they said that there was hamas

—controlled facility inside the school. as we approach that, we will speak to the palestinian authorities most senior official in the uk. first, how difficult do you think this is in terms of a regional war in north israel and lebanon. it is extremely _ in north israel and lebanon. it is extremely difficult. _ in north israel and lebanon. it is extremely difficult. and one of lord cameron's— extremely difficult. and one of lord cameron's rai — extremely difficult. and one of lord cameron's rai responsibilities i extremely difficult. and one of lord cameron's rai responsibilities has i cameron's rai responsibilities has been _ cameron's rai responsibilities has been to— cameron's rai responsibilities has been to make _ cameron's rai responsibilities has been to make sure _ cameron's rai responsibilities has been to make sure that _ cameron's rai responsibilities has been to make sure that we - cameron's rai responsibilities has been to make sure that we do - cameron's rai responsibilities has been to make sure that we do noti cameron's rai responsibilities has - been to make sure that we do not see conflicts— been to make sure that we do not see conflicts red~ — been to make sure that we do not see conflicts red. we _ been to make sure that we do not see conflicts red. we cannot— been to make sure that we do not see conflicts red. we cannot see - been to make sure that we do not see conflicts red. we cannot see loss- been to make sure that we do not see conflicts red. we cannot see loss of. conflicts red. we cannot see loss of life in _ conflicts red. we cannot see loss of life in either— conflicts red. we cannot see loss of life in either country. _ conflicts red. we cannot see loss of life in either country. there - conflicts red. we cannot see loss of life in either country. there are - conflicts red. we cannot see loss of life in either country. there are a l life in either country. there are a lot of— life in either country. there are a lot of pebble _ life in either country. there are a lot of people that _ life in either country. there are a lot of people that worry - life in either country. there are a lot of people that worry there - life in either country. there are a | lot of people that worry there will be escalation— lot of people that worry there will be escalation engulfs _ lot of people that worry there will be escalation engulfs the - lot of people that worry there will be escalation engulfs the entire l be escalation engulfs the entire region — be escalation engulfs the entire region there _ be escalation engulfs the entire region. there is— be escalation engulfs the entire region. there is a _ be escalation engulfs the entire region. there is a deal- be escalation engulfs the entire region. there is a deal on- be escalation engulfs the entire region. there is a deal on the l be escalation engulfs the entire - region. there is a deal on the table that qatar— region. there is a deal on the table that qatar and _ region. there is a deal on the table that qatar and egypt _ region. there is a deal on the table that qatar and egypt have - region. there is a deal on the table that qatar and egypt have done - region. there is a deal on the table . that qatar and egypt have done great deal of _ that qatar and egypt have done great deal of work — that qatar and egypt have done great deal of work to — that qatar and egypt have done great deal of work to come _ that qatar and egypt have done great deal of work to come together, - that qatar and egypt have done great deal of work to come together, as . deal of work to come together, as well as_ deal of work to come together, as well as the — deal of work to come together, as well as the us, _ deal of work to come together, as well as the us, that— deal of work to come together, as well as the us, that would - deal of work to come together, as well as the us, that would allow. deal of work to come together, as . well as the us, that would allow the release _ well as the us, that would allow the release of— well as the us, that would allow the release of hostages, _ well as the us, that would allow the release of hostages, permanent - release of hostages, permanent ceasefirem _ release of hostages, permanent ceasefire... bul— release of hostages, permanent ceasefire- - -_

release of hostages, permanent ceasefire. . . ceasefire... but they cannot even aet ceasefire... but they cannot even net to ceasefire... but they cannot even get to phase _ ceasefire... but they cannot even get to phase one. _ ceasefire. .. but they cannot even get to phase one. i _ ceasefire... but they cannot even get to phase one. i know, - ceasefire... but they cannot even get to phase one. i know, but. ceasefire... but they cannot even i get to phase one. i know, but there it is on the — get to phase one. i know, but there it is on the table. _ get to phase one. i know, but there it is on the table. we need - get to phase one. i know, but there it is on the table. we need to - get to phase one. i know, but there it is on the table. we need to see i it is on the table. we need to see everyone — it is on the table. we need to see everyone on— it is on the table. we need to see everyone on the _ it is on the table. we need to see everyone on the table _ it is on the table. we need to see everyone on the table and - it is on the table. we need to see everyone on the table and we - it is on the table. we need to see i everyone on the table and we cannot risk escalation — everyone on the table and we cannot risk escalation and _ everyone on the table and we cannot risk escalation and see _ everyone on the table and we cannot risk escalation and see more - everyone on the table and we cannot risk escalation and see more loss - everyone on the table and we cannot risk escalation and see more loss ofi risk escalation and see more loss of life. ~ . risk escalation and see more loss of life. . ., ., risk escalation and see more loss of life. ~ . . ., ,, .~ ., life. we are about to speak to the head of the _ life. we are about to speak to the head of the palestinian _ life. we are about to speak to the head of the palestinian mission i life. we are about to speak to the head of the palestinian mission in the uk. what could be the role and his role in resolving this? what the uk. what could be the role and his role in resolving this?— his role in resolving this? what is is important _ his role in resolving this? what is is important to — his role in resolving this? what is is important to note _ his role in resolving this? what is is important to note is _ his role in resolving this? what is is important to note is that - his role in resolving this? what is is important to note is that he - is important to note is that he represents— is important to note is that he represents plo, _ is important to note is that he represents plo, not- is important to note is that he represents plo, not hamas. i is important to note is that he - represents plo, not hamas. they are having _ represents plo, not hamas. they are having discussions— represents plo, not hamas. they are having discussions in— represents plo, not hamas. they are having discussions in china _ represents plo, not hamas. they are having discussions in china about- having discussions in china about the future — having discussions in china about the future of— having discussions in china about the future of palestine. - having discussions in china about the future of palestine. there - having discussions in china about| the future of palestine. there are worries— the future of palestine. there are worries about _ the future of palestine. there are worries about the _ the future of palestine. there are worries about the future - the future of palestine. there are worries about the future of - the future of palestine. there are . worries about the future of hamas's role~ _ worries about the future of hamas's role it— worries about the future of hamas's role it is— worries about the future of hamas's role it is a — worries about the future of hamas's role. it is a terrorist _ worries about the future of hamas's role. it is a terrorist group - role. it is a terrorist group recognised _ role. it is a terrorist group recognised by— role. it is a terrorist group recognised by our- role. it is a terrorist group recognised by our country| role. it is a terrorist group - recognised by our country and others — recognised by our country and others we _ recognised by our country and others. we have _ recognised by our country and others. we have a _ recognised by our country and i others. we have a technocratic government _ others. we have a technocratic government that _ others. we have a technocratic government that has _ others. we have a technocratic government that has been - others. we have a technocratic- government that has been agreed, we need the _ government that has been agreed, we need the palestinian _ government that has been agreed, we need the palestinian people _ government that has been agreed, we need the palestinian people to - government that has been agreed, we need the palestinian people to have i need the palestinian people to have that space — need the palestinian people to have that space it— need the palestinian people to have that sace. . . need the palestinian people to have thatsace. . , ., that space. it was last wednesday on a visit to washington _ that space. it was last wednesday on a visit to washington that _ that space. it was last wednesday on

a visit to washington that the - a visit to washington that the israel prime minister set out how he thought gaza should be governed in the future. . . thought gaza should be governed in the future. , . ., , ., thought gaza should be governed in thefuture. ., , ., , ,, ., the future. israel does not seek to resettle gaza. _ the future. israel does not seek to resettle gaza, but _ the future. israel does not seek to resettle gaza, but for _ the future. israel does not seek to resettle gaza, but for the - resettle gaza, but for the foreseeable future, we must maintain overriding security there to ensure that gaza never again poses a threat to israel. applause gaza shows have a civilian administration run by palestinians who do not seek to destroy israel. it is not too much to ask, it is a fundamental thing!— it is not too much to ask, it is a fundamental thing! lets talk now. thank ou fundamental thing! lets talk now. thank you for— fundamental thing! lets talk now. thank you for being _ fundamental thing! lets talk now. thank you for being with - fundamental thing! lets talk now. thank you for being with us. - fundamental thing! lets talk now. thank you for being with us. what benjamin netanyahu was saying is that there is no role for hamas in a post—conflict gaza. that that there is no role for hamas in a post-conflict gaza.— post-conflict gaza. that is not up to benjamin _ post-conflict gaza. that is not up to benjamin netanyahu. - post-conflict gaza. that is not up to benjamin netanyahu. they- post-conflict gaza. that is not upj to benjamin netanyahu. they are post-conflict gaza. that is not up - to benjamin netanyahu. they are part of a country— to benjamin netanyahu. they are part of a country that is in a military invasion—

of a country that is in a military invasion of— of a country that is in a military invasion of our land. that is not according — invasion of our land. that is not according tojust me, but the international court ofjustice that the israel— international court ofjustice that the israel continue at present is unlawful, — the israel continue at present is unlawful, all of the settlements are unlawful— unlawful, all of the settlements are unlawful and should be dismantled. benjamin _ unlawful and should be dismantled. benjamin netanyahu is pathological lying, and it is about the us congress, to allow him to humiliate nrillions— congress, to allow him to humiliate millions of— congress, to allow him to humiliate millions of american people and turn the congress into a circus. do millions of american people and turn the congress into a circus.— the congress into a circus. do think there is a role _ the congress into a circus. do think there is a role for— the congress into a circus. do think there is a role for hamas _ the congress into a circus. do think there is a role for hamas in - the congress into a circus. do thinkj there is a role for hamas in running post—conflict gaza? that there is a role for hamas in running post-conflict gaza?— post-conflict gaza? that is up to the palestinian _ post-conflict gaza? that is up to the palestinian people. - post-conflict gaza? that is up to the palestinian people. what - post-conflict gaza? that is up to - the palestinian people. what matters most is _ the palestinian people. what matters most is we _ the palestinian people. what matters most is we need to uproot the cause of this _ most is we need to uproot the cause of this the — most is we need to uproot the cause of this. the subjugation of our nation — of this. the subjugation of our nation for— of this. the subjugation of our nation for a long time. this is about— nation for a long time. this is about time _ nation for a long time. this is about time we focus on that. then who governs and who lead is up to the ballot — who governs and who lead is up to the ballot box.— who governs and who lead is up to the ballot box. interesting that you sa that it the ballot box. interesting that you say that it is _ the ballot box. interesting that you say that it is up _ the ballot box. interesting that you say that it is up to _ the ballot box. interesting that you say that it is up to the _ the ballot box. interesting that you say that it is up to the palestinian l say that it is up to the palestinian people because there is there is agreement that has been brokered by the chinese this week. that your organisation and hamas have both

signed and it agrees to form an interim national reconciliation government, for the occupied west bank and four gaza post this conflict. you have pre—empted a choice of the palestinian people. not whatsoever.— choice of the palestinian people. not whatsoever.- in - choice of the palestinian people. not whatsoever.- in the | not whatsoever. how so? in the interim, not whatsoever. how so? in the interim. you _ not whatsoever. how so? in the interim, you need _ not whatsoever. how so? in the interim, you need one _ not whatsoever. how so? in the interim, you need one central. interim, you need one central government in charge of the entire territory— government in charge of the entire territory of — government in charge of the entire territory of palestine and all the people — territory of palestine and all the people of palestine, gaza, west bank and including jerusalem, that cares about— and including jerusalem, that cares about this — and including jerusalem, that cares about this humanitarian catastrophe, begins _ about this humanitarian catastrophe, begins extensive programme of reconstruction and rebuilding being after the _ reconstruction and rebuilding being after the destruction of every single — after the destruction of every single city in the gaza strip, 70% of homes, — single city in the gaza strip, 70% of homes, 80% of schools, 90% of hospitals _ of homes, 80% of schools, 90% of hospitals and 100% of universities. this government would be in charge also of— this government would be in charge also of making sure we prepare for national— also of making sure we prepare for national elections and having agreed

in china, _ national elections and having agreed in china, all— national elections and having agreed in china, all political factions, there — in china, all political factions, there would only be one legitimate government, appointed by the plo is very good _ government, appointed by the plo is very good news. how government, appointed by the plo is very good news-— very good news. how is it realistic and conceivable _ very good news. how is it realistic and conceivable that _ very good news. how is it realistic and conceivable that hamas, - and conceivable that hamas, designated a terrorist organisation by the uk government and many others would be involved in running gaza? no, the agreement is clear. the agreement as we will appoint a technocratic government. hamas will not object _ technocratic government. hamas will not object to a technocratic government in charge of palestine. no, because they would be part of it. ., , ., , no, because they would be part of it. no party would be part of it, mine would _ it. no party would be part of it, mine would not _ it. no party would be part of it, mine would not be _ it. no party would be part of it, mine would not be part - it. no party would be part of it, mine would not be part of - it. no party would be part of it, mine would not be part of it, i it. no party would be part of it, - mine would not be part of it, hamas would _ mine would not be part of it, hamas would not _ mine would not be part of it, hamas would not be part of it, they would be professionals allowed by the political — be professionals allowed by the political factor to do the jobs that they need to do. this is about palestinian legitimacy. it is not about— palestinian legitimacy. it is not about the — palestinian legitimacy. it is not about the matter of conversation. all the _ about the matter of conversation. all the dubious conversations that will be _

all the dubious conversations that will be foreign forces taking over gaza _ will be foreign forces taking over gaza l— will be foreign forces taking over gaza. . ., , , . ,, will be foreign forces taking over gaza. . ., ,, . ,, . will be foreign forces taking over gaza. . ., , , . ,, . . gaza. i am not speaking about that, i am not gaza. i am not speaking about that, i am rrot asking _ gaza. i am not speaking about that, i am not asking that. _ gaza. i am not speaking about that, i am not asking that. let _ gaza. i am not speaking about that, i am not asking that. let me - i am not asking that. let me clarify- -- _ i am not asking that. let me clarify- -- if— i am not asking that. let me clarify... if i _ i am not asking that. let me clarify... ifi may _ i am not asking that. let me clarify... if i may clarify - i am not asking that. let me clarify... if i may clarify for. clarify... if i may clarify for audience — clarify... if i may clarify for audience sake, _ clarify... if i may clarify for audience sake, if - clarify... if i may clarify for audience sake, if i - clarify... if i may clarify for audience sake, if i may, i clarify... if i may clarify forl audience sake, ifi may, the audience sake, if i may, the agreement reached this week was a declaration brokered by the chinese that brought hamas, your own group and many other palestinian groups together. they agreed to form a reconciliation government. hamas are involved in that. how is that realistic in anyway? how would you get any support from the americans and from other arab countries for rebuilding gaza, which you rightly say has been decimated? number one, we have a legitimate _ say has been decimated? number one, we have a legitimate political _ we have a legitimate political system _ we have a legitimate political system. it is the palestine liberation organisation, there plo. not one _ liberation organisation, there plo. not one palestinian challenges the legitimacy of that organisation. i represent — legitimacy of that organisation. i represent back here and in

washington. there plo is in charge of representing palestinian people. and of— of representing palestinian people. and of forming a government in charge — and of forming a government in charge of— and of forming a government in charge of the entire territory. there — charge of the entire territory. there is — charge of the entire territory. there is the government formed only two months ago. what happened was 'ust two months ago. what happened was just telling the world that political factions in palestine, to allow— political factions in palestine, to allow for— political factions in palestine, to allow for a — political factions in palestine, to allow for a palestinian and legitimate government to take over the entire _ legitimate government to take over the entire territory, to shield us from _ the entire territory, to shield us from all— the entire territory, to shield us from all this dubious idea is that there _ from all this dubious idea is that there will— from all this dubious idea is that there will be other alternatives. there _ there will be other alternatives. there is— there will be other alternatives. there is no other alternative except one palestinian government that is functioning under the idea of establishing a posting in state and our territory. establishing a posting in state and our territory-— our territory. even though the international _ our territory. even though the international criminal - our territory. even though the international criminal court i our territory. even though the - international criminal court accused hamas of war crimes, as well as benjamin netanyahu and israel of war crimes also, you would be willing to work with hamas? that's what you are saying today.

work with hamas? that's what you are saying today-— saying today. victoria, for many ears it saying today. victoria, for many years it was _ saying today. victoria, for many years it was netanyahu - saying today. victoria, for many years it was netanyahu was - saying today. victoria, for many - years it was netanyahu was feeding the division and him allowing funding — the division and him allowing funding for hamas, thinking that will maintain the fragmentation and will maintain the fragmentation and will block— will maintain the fragmentation and will block the emergence of a palestinian state. number one and number— palestinian state. number one and number two, through all these years, it is netanyahu and the us, sometimes even the uk saying, who should _ sometimes even the uk saying, who should we _ sometimes even the uk saying, who should we talk to? the problem is palestinians are not united. when we io palestinians are not united. when we go and _ palestinians are not united. when we go and put _ palestinians are not united. when we go and put up for a decision to have a technocratic government, the question— a technocratic government, the question becomes, how do you allow hamas? _ question becomes, how do you allow hamas? ., , . ., . , hamas? you still have not answered that question- _ hamas? you still have not answered that question. the _ hamas? you still have not answered that question. the unity _ hamas? you still have not answered that question. the unity of— hamas? you still have not answered that question. the unity of our- that question. the unity of our olitical that question. the unity of our political system _ that question. the unity of our political system is _ that question. the unity of our political system is paramount | that question. the unity of our. political system is paramount for the cause — political system is paramount for the cause of peace and the cause of establishing that solution. i the cause of peace and the cause of establishing that solution.— establishing that solution. i want to ask ou establishing that solution. i want to ask you about _ establishing that solution. i want to ask you about the _ establishing that solution. i want to ask you about the more - establishing that solution. i want to ask you about the more than i establishing that solution. i want i to ask you about the more than 100 is legally hostages that have been

captured by hamas. they have to be released now than i had to be any chance of peace? bps released now than i had to be any chance of peace?— chance of peace? as you've 'ust said, their fl chance of peace? as you've 'ust said, their deal i chance of peace? as you've 'ust said, their deal has i chance of peace? as you've 'ust said, their deal has been h chance of peace? as you've just said, their deal has been on - chance of peace? as you've justj said, their deal has been on the table _ said, their deal has been on the table for— said, their deal has been on the table for many months. as he heard from _ table for many months. as he heard from the _ table for many months. as he heard from the buys president, kamala harris.~~ — from the buys president, kamala harris.~~ it— from the buys president, kamala harris,... it is in israel's court. ithink— harris,... it is in israel's court. i think according to the mediators, israel— i think according to the mediators, israel must — i think according to the mediators, israel must decide. the first aid, whether— israel must decide. the first aid, whether the hostages will be released, the first stages, you need to remember, we have hostages, they have hostages, more than 4000 from the west— have hostages, more than 4000 from the west bank without charge, without — the west bank without charge, without trials. it's simply unimaginable. they have tortured, murdered. — unimaginable. they have tortured, murdered, the starvation of the prisoners, — murdered, the starvation of the prisoners, of the hostages, they should _ prisoners, of the hostages, they should not— prisoners, of the hostages, they should not become prisoners. what we

say, should not become prisoners. what we say. we _ should not become prisoners. what we say, we are _ should not become prisoners. what we say, we are prepared for that, but the one _ say, we are prepared for that, but the one thing that is stopping us is netanyahu's personal calculations, once he _ netanyahu's personal calculations, once he has done, he has done. and once _ once he has done, he has done. and once we _ once he has done, he has done. and once we are — once he has done, he has done. and once we are offered, not hamas, but the palestinian people, when they are offered sheltered housing. they will no _ are offered sheltered housing. they will no longer bother cities because they are _ will no longer bother cities because they are flat, they will bomb houses _ they are flat, they will bomb houses. it is about the extermination of the palestinian people — extermination of the palestinian --eole. . ~' ,, extermination of the palestinian --eole. . ~' , extermination of the palestinian --eole. . ~ , . , people. thank you very much this morninu. people. thank you very much this morning- let's — people. thank you very much this morning. let'sjust _ people. thank you very much this morning. let'sjust go _ people. thank you very much this morning. let'sjust go back - people. thank you very much this morning. let'sjust go back to - morning. let's just go back to our main story as the chancellor prepares to set out what she says is a black hole in the public finances. here is in brunei and of what the environment secretary told us earlier. , ., environment secretary told us earlier. ,., , . environment secretary told us earlier. , . ., earlier. the point is, we are going into our departments _ earlier. the point is, we are going into our departments and - earlier. the point is, we are going into our departments and finding l into our departments and finding additional— into our departments and finding additional pressures— into our departments and finding additional pressures within - into our departments and finding additional pressures within yeari additional pressures within year that nobody— additional pressures within year that nobody knew _ additional pressures within year that nobody knew about - additional pressures within year that nobody knew about and - additional pressures within year| that nobody knew about and the government _ that nobody knew about and the government had _ that nobody knew about and the government had not— that nobody knew about and the government had not disclosed. i that nobody knew about and thej government had not disclosed. i that nobody knew about and the - government had not disclosed. ijust spoke _ government had not disclosed. ijust spoke to— government had not disclosed. ijust spoke to you — government had not disclosed. ijust spoke to you about _ government had not disclosed. ijust spoke to you about two _ government had not disclosed. ijust spoke to you about two of— government had not disclosed. ijust spoke to you about two of them. - government had not disclosed. ijust spoke to you about two of them. we j spoke to you about two of them. we found _ spoke to you about two of them. we found more — spoke to you about two of them. we found more in— spoke to you about two of them. we found more in my— spoke to you about two of them. we found more in my department, - spoke to you about two of them. we found more in my department, so. spoke to you about two of them. we i found more in my department, so we were looking — found more in my department, so we were looking at — found more in my department, so we were looking at flood _ found more in my department, so we were looking at flood defences. - found more in my department, so we were looking at flood defences. that|

were looking at flood defences. that is when _ were looking at flood defences. that is when we _ were looking at flood defences. that is when we tend _ were looking at flood defences. that is when we tend to _ were looking at flood defences. that is when we tend to move _ were looking at flood defences. that is when we tend to move in- were looking at flood defences. that is when we tend to move in the - were looking at flood defences. that| is when we tend to move in the flood season, _ is when we tend to move in the flood season, august. _ is when we tend to move in the flood season, august, and _ is when we tend to move in the flood season, august, and the defence - season, august, and the defence isn't far— season, august, and the defence isn't far worse _ season, august, and the defence isn't far worse than _ season, august, and the defence isn't far worse than we _ season, august, and the defence isn't far worse than we were - season, august, and the defence isn't far worse than we were led i season, august, and the defence. isn't far worse than we were led to believe _ isn't far worse than we were led to believe. �* . . isn't far worse than we were led to believe. �* , , ., isn't far worse than we were led to believe. �* , , . ., ,. believe. let's see what our panel have to say- _ believe. let's see what our panel have to say. finally, _ believe. let's see what our panel have to say. finally, as _ believe. let's see what our panel have to say. finally, as we - believe. let's see what our panel have to say. finally, as we look. believe. let's see what our panel| have to say. finally, as we look at due tomorrow, sharon, you worked in the treasury, what are you hoping might come from the chancellor in parliament? i might come from the chancellor in parliament?— might come from the chancellor in parliament? . ., . . , parliament? i am hoping for clarity, transparency. _ parliament? i am hoping for clarity, transparency. l _ parliament? i am hoping for clarity, transparency, i would _ parliament? i am hoping for clarity, transparency, i would love - parliament? i am hoping for clarity, transparency, i would love to - parliament? i am hoping for clarity, transparency, i would love to do i parliament? i am hoping for clarity, transparency, i would love to do in l transparency, i would love to do in the budget date is, when the spending review is so that businesses can start to plan and families can start to plan. and to be frank, some cross—party consensus because i think the more we have agreement between the parts of the parliament, i think the more security and investment will come into the country.— security and investment will come into the country. people always say that at the start — into the country. people always say that at the start of _ into the country. people always say that at the start of parliament, - into the country. people always say that at the start of parliament, i i that at the start of parliament, i have been covering politics for a very long time, i had not quite seen it yet laughter does anyone remember? laughter does an one remember? ~ . does anyone remember? ukraine. enormous support _ does anyone remember? ukraine. enormous support for _ does anyone remember? ukraine.

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find it difficult with their- liberal democrats, i find it i difficult with their approach, liberal democrats, i find it - difficult with their approach, but if there — difficult with their approach, but if there is— difficult with their approach, but if there is a _ difficult with their approach, but if there is a cynical _ difficult with their approach, but if there is a cynical rewriting - difficult with their approach, but if there is a cynical rewriting of i if there is a cynical rewriting of the past. — if there is a cynical rewriting of the past. it— if there is a cynical rewriting of the past. it is— if there is a cynical rewriting of the past, it is frankly- if there is a cynical rewriting of| the past, it is frankly nonsense if there is a cynical rewriting of i the past, it is frankly nonsense to say they— the past, it is frankly nonsense to say they don't _ the past, it is frankly nonsense to say they don't have _ the past, it is frankly nonsense to say they don't have a _ the past, it is frankly nonsense to say they don't have a sums - the past, it is frankly nonsense to say they don't have a sums add i the past, it is frankly nonsense to i say they don't have a sums add up. they— say they don't have a sums add up. they have — say they don't have a sums add up. they have had _ say they don't have a sums add up. they have had the _ say they don't have a sums add up. they have had the avr. _ say they don't have a sums add up. they have had the avr. even - say they don't have a sums add up. they have had the avr. even a - say they don't have a sums add up. i they have had the avr. even a prison in my— they have had the avr. even a prison in my constituency— they have had the avr. even a prison in my constituency it _ they have had the avr. even a prison in my constituency it tomorrow - they have had the avr. even a prison in my constituency it tomorrow opens| in my constituency it tomorrow opens a brand-new— in my constituency it tomorrow opens a brand-new wing— in my constituency it tomorrow opens a brand—new wing with _ in my constituency it tomorrow opens a brand—new wing with brand—new. a brand—new wing with brand—new places _ a brand-new wing with brand-new laces, .., ., , places. economically, the conservatives _ places. economically, the conservatives have, - places. economically, the| conservatives have, would places. economically, the - conservatives have, would you places. economically, the _ conservatives have, would you agree, left a better then economic mess. it left a better then economic mess. if you look at unemployment, it is half of what _ you look at unemployment, it is half of what it _ you look at unemployment, it is half of what it was, — you look at unemployment, it is half of what it was, tax _ you look at unemployment, it is half of what it was, tax burden, - you look at unemployment, it is half of what it was, tax burden, i'm - you look at unemployment, it is half of what it was, tax burden, i'm a - of what it was, tax burden, i'm a conservatives— of what it was, tax burden, i'm a conservatives because _ of what it was, tax burden, i'm a conservatives because we - of what it was, tax burden, i'm a i conservatives because we stepped of what it was, tax burden, i'm a - conservatives because we stepped in and pay— conservatives because we stepped in and paytheir— conservatives because we stepped in and paytheir energy— conservatives because we stepped in and pay their energy bills, _ conservatives because we stepped in and pay their energy bills, we - and pay their energy bills, we stayed — and pay their energy bills, we stayed 51%_ and pay their energy bills, we stayed 51% of... _ and pay their energy bills, we stayed 51% of... i _ and pay their energy bills, we stayed 5196 of. . ._ and pay their energy bills, we stayed 5196 of... i understand what the facts are. _ stayed 5196 of... i understand what the facts are, at _ stayed 5196 of... i understand what the facts are, at the _ stayed 51% of. .. i understand what the facts are, at the under- stayed 5196 of... i understand what the facts are, at the under 14 - the facts are, at the under 14 years... the facts are, at the under 14 ears... ~ , the facts are, at the under 14 years- - -_ the facts are, at the under 14 ears... ~ '. . , years... we may difficult decisions to save people's — years... we may difficult decisions to save people's jobs _ years... we may difficult decisions to save people's jobs and - to save people's jobs and livelihoods. _ to save people's jobs and livelihoods. we - to save people's jobs and livelihoods. we made - to save people's jobs and livelihoods. we made it. to save people's jobs and - livelihoods. we made it clear that there _ livelihoods. we made it clear that there are — livelihoods. we made it clear that there are difficult _ livelihoods. we made it clear that there are difficult spending - there are difficult spending

decisions _ there are difficult spending decisions. they— there are difficult spending decisions. they said - there are difficult spending decisions. they said they l there are difficult spending. decisions. they said they were there are difficult spending - decisions. they said they were not put the _ decisions. they said they were not put the tax — decisions. they said they were not put the tax and _ decisions. they said they were not put the tax and working _ decisions. they said they were not put the tax and working people i decisions. they said they were notl put the tax and working people and even we _ put the tax and working people and even we are — put the tax and working people and even we are shocked _ put the tax and working people and even we are shocked that _ put the tax and working people and even we are shocked that in - put the tax and working people and even we are shocked that in less i even we are shocked that in less than _ even we are shocked that in less than three — even we are shocked that in less than three weeks _ even we are shocked that in less than three weeks they _ even we are shocked that in less than three weeks they are - even we are shocked that in lessl than three weeks they are pulling the tax _ than three weeks they are pulling the tax increase. _ than three weeks they are pulling the tax increase.— the tax increase. let's look more positively- _ the tax increase. let's look more positively- lf _ the tax increase. let's look more positively. if we _ the tax increase. let's look more positively. if we get _ the tax increase. let's look more positively. if we get planning - positively. if we get planning before there is cross party and more houses built... taste before there is cross party and more houses built. . ._ before there is cross party and more houses built... we all agree on more houses built... we all agree on more houses built- — houses built... we all agree on more houses built. and _ houses built... we all agree on more houses built. and the _ houses built... we all agree on more houses built. and the 3.596 _ houses built... we all agree on more houses built. and the 3.596 of - houses built... we all agree on more houses built. and the 3.596 of public| houses built. and the 3.596 of public sector prey — houses built. and the 3.596 of public sector prey rises. _ houses built. and the 3.596 of public sector prey rises. the _ houses built. and the 3.596 of public sector prey rises. the conservative. sector prey rises. the conservative have _ sector prey rises. the conservative have been— sector prey rises. the conservative have been pretty anti... we know what _ have been pretty anti... we know what li2— have been pretty anti... we know what liz truss's view of the independent body was. we what liz truss's view of the independent body was. we did what the independent _ independent body was. we did what the independent pay _ independent body was. we did what the independent pay body _ independent body was. we did what the independent pay body said - independent body was. we did what the independent pay body said to i independent body was. we did what l the independent pay body said to do. we always— the independent pay body said to do. we always did — the independent pay body said to do. we always did that. _ the independent pay body said to do. we always did that. the _ the independent pay body said to do. we always did that._ we always did that. the public are now asking _ we always did that. the public are now asking for _ we always did that. the public are now asking for money _ we always did that. the public are now asking for money the - we always did that. the public are now asking for money the nurses, j now asking for money the nurses, doctors _ now asking for money the nurses, doctors and — now asking for money the nurses, doctors and police. but now asking for money the nurses, doctors and police.— doctors and police. but they don't have an independent _ doctors and police. but they don't have an independent pay - doctors and police. but they don't have an independent pay body... | doctors and police. but they don't l have an independent pay body... so have an independent pay body... fl: thatis have an independent pay body... that is why we had an election as well to— that is why we had an election as well to vote on these things. that is why cost _ well to vote on these things. that is why cost money, _ well to vote on these things. that is why cost money, that is why they

are finding big— is why cost money, that is why they are finding big holes— is why cost money, that is why they are finding big holes when- is why cost money, that is why they are finding big holes when they - is why cost money, that is why they are finding big holes when they are| are finding big holes when they are told it— are finding big holes when they are told it is— are finding big holes when they are told it is fanciful. _ are finding big holes when they are told it is fanciful. we _ are finding big holes when they are told it is fanciful. we want - are finding big holes when they are told it is fanciful. we want to - told it is fanciful. we want to do this, _ told it is fanciful. we want to do this, and — told it is fanciful. we want to do this, and sale _ told it is fanciful. we want to do this, and sale that _ told it is fanciful. we want to do this, and sale that you - told it is fanciful. we want to do this, and sale that you have - told it is fanciful. we want to do this, and sale that you have to. told it is fanciful. we want to do i this, and sale that you have to put new tax _ this, and sale that you have to put new tax presses— this, and sale that you have to put new tax presses this, _ this, and sale that you have to put new tax presses this, we - this, and sale that you have to put new tax presses this, we did - this, and sale that you have to put new tax presses this, we did not. this, and sale that you have to puti new tax presses this, we did not lie in _ new tax presses this, we did not lie in... ., in... you did the same thing in 2008. you... _ in... you did the same thing in 2008. you... |_ in... you did the same thing in 2008. you... idon't _ in. .. you did the same thing in 2008. you... idon't think- in... you did the same thing in 2008. you... | don't thinkthe| 2008. you... i don't think the british— 2008. you... i don't think the british public buys it. gdp was roughly— british public buys it. gdp was roughly equivalent of america then, it is now— roughly equivalent of america then, it is now half after your watch, that _ it is now half after your watch, that is — it is now half after your watch, that is pretty bad. but it is now half after your watch, that is pretty bad.— that is pretty bad. but people really want — that is pretty bad. but people really want after _ that is pretty bad. but people really want after four - that is pretty bad. but people really want after four or - that is pretty bad. but people really want after four or five l that is pretty bad. but people - really want after four or five years after the country is hope. i don't think we are really thinking forward about where we're going to invest, how we will reform public services, how we will reform public services, how to get more businesses like my own set about because... how to get more businesses like my own set about because. . ._ own set about because... come to rotherham- _ own set about because... come to rotherham. we'd _ own set about because... come to rotherham. we'd love _ own set about because... come to rotherham. we'd love to - own set about because... come to rotherham. we'd love to have - own set about because... come to| rotherham. we'd love to have you. there's _ rotherham. we'd love to have you. there's something _ rotherham. we'd love to have you. there's something about _ rotherham. we'd love to have you. there's something about this - rotherham. we'd love to have you. there's something about this court| there's something about this court because seeing richey to unite in

parliament and the new prime minister keir starmer actually talking on a grown and open way gives us a lot of hope for the future. . , ., ., gives us a lot of hope for the future. ., , ., ., ., gives us a lot of hope for the future. . i. ., . , gives us a lot of hope for the future. . ., . , ., gives us a lot of hope for the future. ., y., ., ., , ., future. have you got a big 'ob? lots of speculation. * future. have you got a big 'ob? lots of speculation. lots _ future. have you got a big 'ob? lots of speculation. lots of _ future. have you got a big job? lots of speculation. lots of speculation. | of speculation. lots of speculation. four weeks of the partnership and i am not going to rush into what i do next. ~ . , ., am not going to rush into what i do next. ~ . . _ am not going to rush into what i do next. . ., ., ~, am not going to rush into what i do next. . ., ., s , am not going to rush into what i do next. ., ., s , ., next. what you fancy it? it is for those you _ next. what you fancy it? it is for those you know, _ next. what you fancy it? it is for those you know, the _ next. what you fancy it? it is for those you know, the cabinet - those you know, the cabinet secretary that is running the civil service and i figure secretary that is running the civil service and ifigure it's secretary that is running the civil service and i figure it's very unlikely that i'm going to go back. that is a shame, you should run the country— that is a shame, you should run the country like — that is a shame, you should run the country like jon lewis acts out like a cooperative. | country like jon lewis acts out like a cooperative-— a cooperative. i look at their west midlands mayor, _ a cooperative. i look at their west midlands mayor, it _ a cooperative. i look at their west midlands mayor, it worked - a cooperative. i look at their west midlands mayor, it worked very i a cooperative. i look at their west i midlands mayor, it worked very well. we have some cross—party consensus, finally~ _ we have some cross-party consensus, finall . . .. we have some cross-party consensus, finall . . ~' , ., we have some cross-party consensus, finall . . ,, ., , finally. thank you for being with us, that finally. thank you for being with us. that as _ finally. thank you for being with us. that as it — finally. thank you for being with us, that as it rose _ finally. thank you for being with us, that as it rose today. - finally. thank you for being with us, that as it rose today. thank| finally. thank you for being with i us, that as it rose today. thank you for watching. us, that as it rose today. thank you forwatching. no us, that as it rose today. thank you for watching. no it is back in september. i am for watching. no it is back in september. lam back for watching. no it is back in september. i am back tomorrow night. after the chancellor's analysis. have a lovely day.

live from london, this is bbc news. israel says it has struck hezbollah targets deep inside lebanon, after a rocket attack on the israeli—occupied golan heights killed at least 12 people. new video has emerged of the events leading up to a police officer kicking a man in the head, as he lay on the floor at manchester airport last week. it's day 2 of the paris olympics. organisers cancel triathalon swimming training due to pollution in the river seine. venezuela is heading to the polls in a few hours' time in what's being seen as a pivotal presidential election. the biggest wildfire to hit california this year is continuing to spread rapidly,

forcing thousands of residents to flee their homes. hello. we start this hour in the middle east. israel says it has struck a series of hezbollah targets deep inside lebanon. according to the army, terrorist infrastructure was hit, including stockpiles of weapons. it follows a deadly rocket attack on the israeli—occupied golan heights on saturday, in which at least 12 people were killed. most of the casualties were teenagers, who were playing football in the town of majdal shams. israel has blamed lebanon's hezbollah movement — it has denied responsibility. as we said, israel says it has struck a series of hezbollah targets deep inside lebanon. our correspondent barbara plett usher gave this update on what was being said.