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now on bbc news: talking business. hello and welcome to talking business. here is what is on the programme. crowdstrike's faulty software update. the largest it outage in history. thousands of flights were grounded, hospitals disrupted and broadcasters knocked off the air as millions of devices running microsoft windows crashed but as the costs ratcheted up into the billions of dollars we ask whether it is the price we pay by being so reliant on digital infrastructure. i will discuss that and more with a cyber influence and all there and i will talk to the boss of a global cyber security film, ncc group. plus what does it all say about our readiness for the

latest artificial intelligence breakthroughs? we will speak to one boss helping companies bring cutting—edge ai into the workplace. welcome to the programme. now, the great global it outage came not from cyber criminals but from a company trying to protect us from them. the previously inconspicuous crowdstrike became a household name overnight but for all the wrong reasons. we are but for all the wrong reasons. - are deeply sorry for the impact that we have caused to customers, to travellers, to anyone affected by this including our companies. let’s this including our companies. let's have a quick _ this including our companies. let's have a quick look _ this including our companies. let's have a quick look back— this including our companies. let's have a quick look back at - this including our companies. let's have a quick look back at what happened on that fateful friday. here is our tech reporter. the global it outage started in the early hours of the morning, us time. crowdstrike, one of the most trusted names in cyber security issued a minor update to its falcon centre software. it was meant to help the

security software sparked the latest hacking threats. but when it reached machines running windows, this happened. the blue screen of death. an update that was meant to protect computers, instead crashed them. across crowdstrike's nearly 30,000 customers, thousands upon thousands of machines were crashing. microsoft estimates that, in total, 8.5 million devices running windows were disabled. airlines were grounded. medical appointments were cancelled and even some supermarket checkouts stopped working. crowdstrike apologised and deployed a fix but, for machines that had crashed because of the bug, they had to be manually restarted in safe mode and

the dodgy update deleted. it was a time—consuming logistical nightmare for companies with thousands of computers distributed far and wide. crowdstrike has committed to do better, to check that updates, when they are released, don't contain problems. but the total cost of this global outage has been estimated to run into the billions of dollars. if lessons had been learned, they have certainly been learned the hard way. 0k, certainly been learned the hard way. ok, so let's talk about some of those costs. part of the reason theirs had such a big impact is because of the nature of crowdstrike customers. they include some of the

biggest companies and government agencies in the world. in the us alone, amongst the fortune 500 biggest companies, excluding microsoft, the outage is reported to have cost nearly five and have billion dollars. the banking and health care sector took the biggest hit, making up nearly 60% of the total. and it costjust six airlines, in the fortune 500, around $860 million. all of this adds up bill and just a small proportion will be covered by cyber insurance. about 10-20%, will be covered by cyber insurance. about 10—20%, according to some insurers who are behind all of this data. now, that numberjust covers america's biggest companies. it does not include the many small and medium—sized firms affected right around the world from australia to the uk. it means the total price tag globally is likely to be much higher. and that raises bigger questions about the relationship we all have between risk, cost and reward. when it comes to how we use technology. in computers fail, many businesses have little to fall back on given the threat posed by cyber attacks, wireframes not more resilient? this was not a malicious

act done by hackers seeking a ransom. it was caused by human error. but the outage highlights the huge impact that losing our tech can have on our lives and our livelihoods. to explore what it means for the future i caught up with a cyber expert and founder of the in security movement. it is good to have you on the programme and so here we are. the dust has settled but there is look at what happened. how surprised you were that one firm, crowdstrike, was able to cause so much chaos for so many businesses around the world. how much of a surprise was it? yes. for me i was not surprised at all. this has been a disaster waiting to happen. we are so reliant on technology. we are so interconnected and we are becoming more so—so the fact that this was a human error in this case and not

cyber attack, human error in this case and not cyberattack, really, it was human error in this case and not cyber attack, really, it was a good thing in some ways because this was a wake—up call for us to actually put in place practices that we need to be doing more of. h0??? put in place practices that we need to be doing more of.— put in place practices that we need to be doing more of. how would you assess the state _ to be doing more of. how would you assess the state of _ to be doing more of. how would you assess the state of our _ to be doing more of. how would you | assess the state of our preparedness when it comes to events like this? on one hand, like we said, this was a human error orfault but on one hand, like we said, this was a human error or fault but when on one hand, like we said, this was a human error orfault but when it comes to cyber attacks we know that risk is growing. h0??? comes to cyber attacks we know that risk is growing-— risk is growing. how ready are we? you know. — risk is growing. how ready are we? you know. we _ risk is growing. how ready are we? you know, we have _ risk is growing. how ready are we? you know, we have a _ risk is growing. how ready are we? you know, we have a huge - risk is growing. how ready are we? i you know, we have a huge spectrum risk is growing. how ready are we? - you know, we have a huge spectrum of companies out there from micro organisations to great big enterprises. some are more prepared than others and they are doing a much betterjob. but others, particularly smaller businesses and micro businesses which comprise so much of our economy, our economy, it isjust an

much of our economy, our economy, it is just an afterthought. in terms of security, in terms of crisis response plans. so we got to consider this. we've got to do what a fun scenario —based test so that we have got our playbooks, our responses in place. find we have got our playbooks, our responses in place.— we have got our playbooks, our responses in place. and at the same time, it strikes _ responses in place. and at the same time, it strikes me _ responses in place. and at the same time, it strikes me lots _ responses in place. and at the same time, it strikes me lots of _ responses in place. and at the same time, it strikes me lots of firms - time, it strikes me lots of firms are putting into new areas of tech and innovation thinking of things like cloud computing but also ai. and, if anything, that is opens these businesses to even greater risk and at the same time it doesn't feel like they're taking the necessary precautions to protect against the downside of these new technologies. against the downside of these new technologies-— against the downside of these new technolouies. ~ , , ., ., technologies. absolutely, and we are seeinr that technologies. absolutely, and we are seeing that in — technologies. absolutely, and we are seeing that in certain _ technologies. absolutely, and we are seeing that in certain countries - seeing that in certain countries more than others. as the technologies are evolving at speed undertow digital transformation is going on, we are not keeping up so we you must do better. it has to be top of mind for us because we cannot have more incidences like this. incidences like this are becoming the new normal and we have been saying this for years in the industry. saying this for years in the industry-— saying this for years in the indust .~ ., , ., , industry. what is the answer here? it is all industry. what is the answer here?

it is all well — industry. what is the answer here? it is all well and _ industry. what is the answer here? it is all well and good _ industry. what is the answer here? it is all well and good saying - industry. what is the answer here? it is all well and good saying we - it is all well and good saying we are going to invest in more cyber security software, we will take that provision more seriously. but what is the day—to—day solution here to protect firms better? the is the day-to-day solution here to protect firms better?— is the day-to-day solution here to protect firms better? the long and short of it, — protect firms better? the long and short of it. you _ protect firms better? the long and short of it, you have _ protect firms better? the long and short of it, you have to _ protect firms better? the long and short of it, you have to be - short of it, you have to be prepared. you have to know your risk. you have to be able to evaluate that and you need to do this quickly. you need to do it simply. you need to make sure that communication is there and that everybody understands that and ensure that everyone in your organisation is becoming security ambassador because that way, they are going to become a shield for your organisation. when we increase our cyber literacy, then we do better. we reduce arabesques. use your workforce as your greatest shield. make sure your cyber security literacy is improved. people know what to do. it is clear, it is simple. and you are prepared

for the what if scenarios. what if this happens? get creative. all people together and think about the different scenarios that can happen. and the wild in your own imagination because that is required.— because that is required. really aood to because that is required. really good to have — because that is required. really good to have you _ because that is required. really good to have you on _ because that is required. really good to have you on the - because that is required. really - good to have you on the programme this week. thank you.— this week. thank you. thank you. from the big _ this week. thank you. thank you. from the big picture _ this week. thank you. thank you. from the big picture to _ this week. thank you. thank you. from the big picture to the - this week. thank you. thank you. | from the big picture to the detail. what actually needs to change day—to—day when it comes to boosting our digital defences? i spoke to the boss of global cyber security firm the ncc group. good to have you with us. good to see you. talk to me first of all about crowdstrike. the dust has settled a little bit. we have a clear idea of what went on and how it was resolved. were you surprised by the power of seemingly one company to take down so many others around the world? i one company to take down so many others around the world?— one company to take down so many others around the world? i would say not others around the world? i would say rrot surprised- _ others around the world? i would say not surprised. but _ others around the world? i would say not surprised. but if _ others around the world? i would say not surprised. but if we _ others around the world? i would say not surprised. but if we reflect - others around the world? i would say not surprised. but if we reflect on - not surprised. but if we reflect on the incident more broadly, it was it got us by surprise in two ways. the

first is the sheer scale of the tender pink some of the initial reports we saw were something like 600,000 customers of crowdstrike being affected and, if you take it one of 2 degrees beyond that, millions. so the scale probably did, i think, surprise many. but what i think was most surprising and what shone a really hard light on the industry, and for businesses more broadly, was, actually, the complexity of being able to respond to something like this and actually being able to build a sort of resilience within business operations that you would need to be able to respond to what was a very good product rolled out to a bunch of customers. so that was the thing that surprised is the most. find of customers. so that was the thing that surprised is the most. and that was the role — that surprised is the most. and that was the role that _ that surprised is the most. and that was the role that the _ that surprised is the most. and that was the role that the cause - that surprised is the most. and that was the role that the cause so - that surprised is the most. and that| was the role that the cause so many problems. are allowed to so many machines at the same time, there was a problem with that and then the fix was a manual one. you had to go in and delete a bit of code.—

and delete a bit of code. automatic u dates and delete a bit of code. automatic updates are — and delete a bit of code. automatic updates are important _ and delete a bit of code. automatic updates are important tool - and delete a bit of code. automatic updates are important tool in - and delete a bit of code. automatic| updates are important tool in terms of ensuring that software is. and of ensuring that software is. and we're 'ust of ensuring that software is. and we're just going to interact and go straight to sunderland to get a sense of what is happening there from this press conference after the disturbances there. let’s from this press conference after the disturbances there.— disturbances there. let's listen in. this was rrot _ disturbances there. let's listen in. this was rrot a _ disturbances there. let's listen in. this was not a protest. _ disturbances there. let's listen in. this was not a protest. this - disturbances there. let's listen in. this was not a protest. this was i this was not a protest. this was unforgivable violence and disorder. in the face of these attacks, our officers showed unwavering commitment for which i wholeheartedly thank them and i am sure that the overwhelming majority of the sunderland people also have that sentiment. i can confirm that four officers were taken to hospital for treatment last night. three received injuries as a direct result of the disorder. in addition, one of our mounted riders received serious injuries in an accident. and is receiving treatment in hospital. i also want to take this opportunity to thank our partners for the significant support they have shown and continue to show. now a message

for those responsible. anyone involved in the disorder can expect to be dealt with robustly and that action has already begun. ten people have so far been arrested for a range of offences including violent disorder and burglary. a full investigation is now under way to identify those responsible. make no mistake, if you were involved last night, expect to be met with the full false of the law. i want to make it absolutely clear that the disorder, violence and damage which has occurred will not be tolerated. we also know the behaviour displayed in no way represents our friend the and welcoming region. we therefore want to deliver a further message direct to our communities. we are aware that criminal saw last night can attempt to drive division amongst us and we are committed to make sure that does not happen. we

have incredibly close knit communities here in the northeast region, that we are proud to be part of and to serve. this is just one of the reasons which makes our region such a special place to live, work and visit. we are stronger together. thank you very much. good morning. my name _ thank you very much. good morning. my name is _ thank you very much. good morning. my name is kelly and i'm the deputy leader— my name is kelly and i'm the deputy leader of— my name is kelly and i'm the deputy leader of sunderland city council. i want _ leader of sunderland city council. i want to _ leader of sunderland city council. i want to start by offering, on behalf of the _ want to start by offering, on behalf of the people of sunderland, our heartfelt — of the people of sunderland, our heartfelt condolences to the people of southport following the harrowing events _ of southport following the harrowing events on _ of southport following the harrowing events on monday. what we saw last i'ii l ht events on monday. what we saw last night in _ events on monday. what we saw last night in sunderland was nothing more than mindless violence and disorder led than mindless violence and disorder ted by— than mindless violence and disorder ted by a _ than mindless violence and disorder led by a minority with an agenda of hate _ led by a minority with an agenda of hate what— led by a minority with an agenda of hate. what we saw was totally unacceptable. we know that, sadly, many— unacceptable. we know that, sadly, many of— unacceptable. we know that, sadly, many of those in our city last night were _ many of those in our city last night were not— many of those in our city last night were not from here but came to cause

chaos _ were not from here but came to cause chaos and _ were not from here but came to cause chaos and scope tensions and they want _ chaos and scope tensions and they want to— chaos and scope tensions and they want to make it clear that there is no place _ want to make it clear that there is no place for— want to make it clear that there is no place for these people. they are not welcome here. our teams have worked _ not welcome here. our teams have worked through the night to clean up the city _ worked through the night to clean up the city. my huge thanks to them and the city. my huge thanks to them and the emergency services for their work— the emergency services for their work to— the emergency services for their work to keep sunderland and its people — work to keep sunderland and its people say. being here today, seeing volunteers— people say. being here today, seeing volunteers from across our city, come _ volunteers from across our city, come together to support that clean-up— come together to support that clean—up effort, is heartening and reminds— clean—up effort, is heartening and reminds us— clean—up effort, is heartening and reminds us of the warm and friendly place _ reminds us of the warm and friendly place but _ reminds us of the warm and friendly place but we know sunderland to be. 0ur place but we know sunderland to be. our people _ place but we know sunderland to be. our people are our greatest asset. and we — 0ur people are our greatest asset. and we will— our people are our greatest asset. and we will support them as they will no _ and we will support them as they will no doubt supporters to recover from _ will no doubt supporters to recover from the _ will no doubt supporters to recover from the events of last night. we will continue to work with our communities and our partners in the coming _ communities and our partners in the coming days— communities and our partners in the coming days and weeks to offer reassurance but i can say, confidently, that sunderland and its people. _ confidently, that sunderland and its people. as — confidently, that sunderland and its

people, as we always do in the face of adversity, will come back from this stronger, better and closer togethen — this stronger, better and closer together. thank you.— this stronger, better and closer together. thank you. thank you and aood together. thank you. thank you and good morning- _ together. thank you. thank you and good morning- i— together. thank you. thank you and good morning. i am _ together. thank you. thank you and good morning. i am susan - together. thank you. thank you and good morning. i am susan and - together. thank you. thank you and good morning. i am susan and i - together. thank you. thank you and good morning. i am susan and i am| good morning. i am susan and i am the northumbria _ good morning. i am susan and i am the northumbria police _ good morning. i am susan and i am the northumbria police and - good morning. i am susan and i am the northumbria police and crime l the northumbria police and crime commissioner. _ the northumbria police and crime commissioner. i— the northumbria police and crime commissioner. i can _ the northumbria police and crime commissioner. i can speak- the northumbria police and crime commissioner. i can speak on- the northumbria police and crime i commissioner. i can speak on behalf of the _ commissioner. i can speak on behalf of the majority— commissioner. i can speak on behalf of the majority of— commissioner. i can speak on behalf of the majority of our _ commissioner. i can speak on behalf of the majority of our region - commissioner. i can speak on behalf of the majority of our region and - of the majority of our region and indeed _ of the majority of our region and indeed the — of the majority of our region and indeed the city _ of the majority of our region and indeed the city when _ of the majority of our region and indeed the city when i _ of the majority of our region and indeed the city when i wholly - indeed the city when i wholly condemn— indeed the city when i wholly condemn the _ indeed the city when i wholly condemn the inexcusable - indeed the city when i wholly - condemn the inexcusable criminality that targeted — condemn the inexcusable criminality that targeted sunderland _ condemn the inexcusable criminality that targeted sunderland and - condemn the inexcusable criminality that targeted sunderland and its - that targeted sunderland and its communities. _ that targeted sunderland and its communities, and _ that targeted sunderland and its communities, and our— that targeted sunderland and its communities, and our police - that targeted sunderland and its - communities, and our police service last night _ communities, and our police service last night. violence, _ communities, and our police service last night. violence, looting - communities, and our police service last night. violence, looting and - last night. violence, looting and vandalism _ last night. violence, looting and vandalism. all— last night. violence, looting and vandalism. all this _ last night. violence, looting and vandalism. all this is _ last night. violence, looting and vandalism. all this is not - last night. violence, looting and vandalism. all this is not pro - vandalism. all this is not pro testing _ vandalism. all this is not pro testing it _ vandalism. all this is not pro testing it is— vandalism. all this is not pro testing. it is criminal- vandalism. all this is not pro i testing. it is criminal behaviour. it is testing. it is criminal behaviour. it is also — testing. it is criminal behaviour. it is also not _ testing. it is criminal behaviour. it is also not mourning - testing. it is criminal behaviour. it is also not mourning the - testing. it is criminal behaviour. it is also not mourning the lossl testing. it is criminal behaviour. i it is also not mourning the loss of those _ it is also not mourning the loss of those innocent _ it is also not mourning the loss of those innocent children _ it is also not mourning the loss of those innocent children in- it is also not mourning the loss of. those innocent children in southport with him _ those innocent children in southport with him are — those innocent children in southport with him are thought— those innocent children in southport with him are thought should - those innocent children in southport with him are thought should be. - those innocent children in southportj with him are thought should be. the families— with him are thought should be. the families of— with him are thought should be. the families of those _ with him are thought should be. the families of those victims _ with him are thought should be. the families of those victims have - with him are thought should be. the families of those victims have not i families of those victims have not been _ families of those victims have not been given— families of those victims have not been given a _ families of those victims have not been given a second _ families of those victims have not been given a second thought - families of those victims have not been given a second thought by. families of those victims have not - been given a second thought by these

thugs _ been given a second thought by these thugs they— been given a second thought by these thugs they have _ been given a second thought by these thugs. they have been— been given a second thought by these thugs. they have been used, - thugs. they have been used, sickeningly, _ thugs. they have been used, sickeningly, to— thugs. they have been used, sickeningly, to promote - thugs. they have been used, sickeningly, to promote the. thugs. they have been used, - sickeningly, to promote the extreme agenda _ sickeningly, to promote the extreme agenda of— sickeningly, to promote the extreme agenda of those _ sickeningly, to promote the extreme agenda of those who _ sickeningly, to promote the extreme agenda of those who want _ sickeningly, to promote the extreme agenda of those who want to - sickeningly, to promote the extreme agenda of those who want to cause l agenda of those who want to cause trouble _ agenda of those who want to cause trouble and — agenda of those who want to cause trouble and division _ agenda of those who want to cause trouble and division in _ agenda of those who want to cause trouble and division in our- trouble and division in our communities. _ trouble and division in our communities. this- trouble and division in our communities. this is- trouble and division in our communities. this is not. trouble and division in our- communities. this is not about taking — communities. this is not about taking our— communities. this is not about taking our community- communities. this is not about taking our community back- communities. this is not about taking our community back or. communities. this is not about. taking our community back or our country— taking our community back or our country back, _ taking our community back or our country back, as _ taking our community back or our country back, as the _ taking our community back or our country back, as the protesters . country back, as the protesters claim — country back, as the protesters claim their— country back, as the protesters claim. theirviolent_ country back, as the protesters claim. their violent hatred - country back, as the protestersj claim. their violent hatred field behaviours _ claim. their violent hatred field behaviours only— claim. their violent hatred field behaviours only bring _ claim. their violent hatred field behaviours only bring our- claim. their violent hatred field i behaviours only bring our country down _ behaviours only bring our country down and — behaviours only bring our country down and create _ behaviours only bring our country down and create division, - behaviours only bring our country down and create division, fear. behaviours only bring our countryl down and create division, fear and conflict _ down and create division, fear and conflict i— down and create division, fear and conflict. i know— down and create division, fear and conflict. i know every _ down and create division, fear and conflict. i know every effort - down and create division, fear and conflict. i know every effort will i conflict. i know every effort will be taken — conflict. i know every effort will be taken by _ conflict. i know every effort will be taken by northumbria - conflict. i know every effort will be taken by northumbria policej conflict. i know every effort will i be taken by northumbria police to bring _ be taken by northumbria police to bring those — be taken by northumbria police to bring those involved _ be taken by northumbria police to bring those involved to _ be taken by northumbria police to bring those involved to justice - be taken by northumbria police to bring those involved to justice and to get— bring those involved to justice and to get them — bring those involved to justice and to get them before _ bring those involved to justice and to get them before the _ bring those involved to justice and to get them before the courts - bring those involved to justice and to get them before the courts and| to get them before the courts and this is— to get them before the courts and this is backed _ to get them before the courts and this is backed up _ to get them before the courts and this is backed up by— to get them before the courts and this is backed up by the _ to get them before the courts and i this is backed up by the government putting _ this is backed up by the government putting extra — this is backed up by the government putting extra cps— this is backed up by the government putting extra cps officers _ this is backed up by the government putting extra cps officers in - this is backed up by the government putting extra cps officers in place i putting extra cps officers in place this weekend _ putting extra cps officers in place this weekend to _ putting extra cps officers in place this weekend to ensure _ putting extra cps officers in place this weekend to ensure that - putting extra cps officers in place . this weekend to ensure that speedy justice _ this weekend to ensure that speedy justice is— this weekend to ensure that speedy justice is delivered. _ this weekend to ensure that speedy justice is delivered. i— this weekend to ensure that speedy justice is delivered. i would - this weekend to ensure that speedy justice is delivered. i would urge i justice is delivered. i would urge anybody— justice is delivered. i would urge anybody with _ justice is delivered. i would urge anybody with any _ justice is delivered. i would urge. anybody with any information that might— anybody with any information that might help — anybody with any information that might help us _ anybody with any information that might help us do _ anybody with any information that might help us do so, _ anybody with any information that might help us do so, do _ anybody with any information that might help us do so, do please i might help us do so, do please contact — might help us do so, do please contact northumbria _ might help us do so, do please contact northumbria police. i might help us do so, do please| contact northumbria police. my thanks— contact northumbria police. my thanks go— contact northumbria police. my thanks go to _ contact northumbria police. my thanks go to our—

contact northumbria police. my thanks go to our hard—working i contact northumbria police. my- thanks go to our hard—working police officers _ thanks go to our hard—working police officers who — thanks go to our hard—working police officers who put _ thanks go to our hard—working police officers who put themselves - thanks go to our hard—working police officers who put themselves in - officers who put themselves in harm's— officers who put themselves in harm's way— officers who put themselves in harm's way last _ officers who put themselves in harm's way last night. - officers who put themselves in . harm's way last night. particularly those _ harm's way last night. particularly those who— harm's way last night. particularly those who were _ harm's way last night. particularly those who were injured. _ harm's way last night. particularly those who were injured. and - harm's way last night. particularly those who were injured. and i- harm's way last night. particularlyl those who were injured. and i wish them _ those who were injured. and i wish them a _ those who were injured. and i wish them a speedy— those who were injured. and i wish them a speedy recovery. _ those who were injured. and i wish them a speedy recovery. i- those who were injured. and i wish them a speedy recovery. i am - those who were injured. and i wish them a speedy recovery. i am also| them a speedy recovery. i am also grateful— them a speedy recovery. i am also grateful to— them a speedy recovery. i am also grateful to our _ them a speedy recovery. i am also grateful to our partners, _ them a speedy recovery. i am also grateful to our partners, to - them a speedy recovery. i am also grateful to our partners, to our. grateful to our partners, to our local— grateful to our partners, to our local authority, _ grateful to our partners, to our local authority, to _ grateful to our partners, to our local authority, to our- grateful to our partners, to our local authority, to our fire - grateful to our partners, to our local authority, to our fire andl local authority, to our fire and rescue — local authority, to our fire and rescue services— local authority, to our fire and rescue services who - local authority, to our fire and rescue services who came - local authority, to our fire and - rescue services who came together to protect _ rescue services who came together to protect our— rescue services who came together to protect our city— rescue services who came together to protect our city last _ rescue services who came together to protect our city last night _ rescue services who came together to protect our city last night and - rescue services who came together to protect our city last night and to - protect our city last night and to clean _ protect our city last night and to clean it— protect our city last night and to clean it up— protect our city last night and to clean it up again _ protect our city last night and to clean it up again this _ protect our city last night and to clean it up again this morning. i| clean it up again this morning. i think— clean it up again this morning. i think you — clean it up again this morning. i think you with _ clean it up again this morning. i think you will. this _ clean it up again this morning. i think you will. this is _ clean it up again this morning. i think you will. this is the - clean it up again this morning. i think you will. this is the true l think you will. this is the true sunderland _ think you will. this is the true sunderland. we _ think you will. this is the true sunderland. we will- think you will. this is the true sunderland. we will continue | think you will. this is the true l sunderland. we will continue to think you will. this is the true - sunderland. we will continue to work together— sunderland. we will continue to work together to _ sunderland. we will continue to work together to do — sunderland. we will continue to work together to do all— sunderland. we will continue to work together to do all we _ sunderland. we will continue to work together to do all we can, _ together to do all we can, determined _ together to do all we can, determined to _ together to do all we can, determined to keep- together to do all we can, determined to keep our. together to do all we can, - determined to keep our streets together to do all we can, _ determined to keep our streets safer and our— determined to keep our streets safer and our communities— determined to keep our streets safer and our communities stronger. - determined to keep our streets safer| and our communities stronger. thank you. and our communities stronger. thank ou. , ., _ , you. the first thing to say is the a- allin: you. the first thing to say is the appalling behaviour _ you. the first thing to say is the appalling behaviour of - you. the first thing to say is the appalling behaviour of the - you. the first thing to say is the i appalling behaviour of the violent minority does not represent this region nor our people or communities in any way, shape or form. region nor our people or communities in any way, shape orform. i was shocked and horrified by what i saw, by a violent. seeking to disrupt and cause criminal damage and violence to this great city last night. the

people of sunderland are warm, friendly, hard—working and, most of all, proud. that is the reputation of this great place. this is a city of this great place. this is a city of compassion and community. culture and creativity. we will not let anybody stand in the way of these values. you only have to look at the regeneration, the money spent in this place. the fantastic bars and restaurants in the fact that, in any given friday night, particularly when last night, you would have had families out enjoying that. they were pushed into their homes by these people who wanted to riot. they will not define our reputation. they will not define our reputation. they were not defined our place in the world. we stand in solidarity with the grieving families and the people of southport. it is now vital that we bring calm back to our streets. make no mistake, those grieving families will take no comfort from the scenes that they saw in sunderland last night or anywhere else where violence has

taken place earlier this week. i want to thank the chief constable of northumbria police. for bravely putting themselves in between violence in our communities. they should not have to put up with this but again and again they do and that is what we are grateful for. i'd also like to add my best wishes to those who were injured in the course of that action last night. we are indebted to you for keeping us safe and free standing firm in the face of sustained violence. today and yesterday it may been in contact with both the home secretary and number ten about last night's events and we can support our police and prosecutors to deal with the perpetrators firmly and how we can rebuild. they agree with me. this is not the story of this great pace and it is not the story of britain. we must do all we can you, to face down the banks to threaten the peace in this part of the world. i also want to thank the city council and

services are worked around the clock without hesitation to do this clean—up operation and to restore the city back to the place that we recognise and, most of all, i want to extend my thanks and gratitude to the hundreds of people who told the real story of sunderland this morning. turning up on our streets with their brushes. coming to reclaim it, clean it up and make sure that they were standing strong in solidarity and saying that was not our city. we are the real story. love and is solidarity will always shine through. today we sent a message. we will not tolerate this behaviour and our streets. hatred is not welcome in sunderland on the north—east. the thugs and the writers will never win. i know the people of sunderland and this region will continue to rally round today as they have done last night and this morning. i cannot stress enough. i receive thousands and i am not exaggerating, thousands of messages from people on social media contacting me, posting about the

fact that this was not. that these rioters did not speak for the people of sunderland. and that is the message that we cannot get out loudly and strongly enough today. we have pride in our region and the city and it will always shine through. that is what we are about. we have seen widespread damage across— we have seen widespread damage across sunderland. were officers last night — across sunderland. were officers last night caught by surprise? we became _ last night caught by surprise? we became aware of this intention earlier— became aware of this intention earlier on— became aware of this intention earlier on in the week and be developed that intelligence. we planned developed that intelligence. - planned for a peaceful protest but we fully expected, due to the events which are taken place nationally, that there may well be disorder so we planned for that and it was thanks to the officers involved last night that support our operation last night. our operation will continue over the weekend and into next week but we will continue to

develop intelligence and there will be an increased police presence. to expect any mild protest in the city in the coming days? brute expect any mild protest in the city in the coming days?— in the coming days? we are developing _ in the coming days? we are developing that _ in the coming days? we are developing that intelligence in the coming days? we are - developing that intelligence and where that indicates that there will be further protest activity, we will ensure that there is a proportionate police presence for that.— police presence for that. we've had the prime minister _ police presence for that. we've had the prime minister talk _ police presence for that. we've had the prime minister talk about - police presence for that. we've had| the prime minister talk about social media _ the prime minister talk about social media having an impact and there is nothing _ media having an impact and there is nothing that officers can do about that going forward? that nothing that officers can do about that going forward?— nothing that officers can do about that going forward? that is a tactic that going forward? that is a tactic that we use. _ that going forward? that is a tactic that we use, and _ that going forward? that is a tactic that we use, and in _ that going forward? that is a tactic that we use, and in developing - that going forward? that is a tactic that we use, and in developing ourj that we use, and in developing our intelligence picture but key messages that we utilise as well. there is misinformation out there and i would encourage people to follow the appropriate channels in terms of northumbria police and wider partners for the correct message. wider partners for the correct message-— wider partners for the correct messaue. , ., , ., message. there is more planned -rotests message. there is more planned protests on _ message. there is more planned protests on social _ message. there is more planned protests on social media, - message. there is more planned protests on social media, is - protests on social media, is mentioned _ protests on social media, is mentioned. what _ protests on social media, is mentioned. what is - protests on social media, is mentioned. what is going l protests on social media, isi mentioned. what is going to protests on social media, is - mentioned. what is going to be done to help _ mentioned. what is going to be done to help in _ mentioned. what is going to be done to help in the — mentioned. what is going to be done to help in the coming _ mentioned. what is going to be done to help in the coming days? -

mentioned. what is going to be done to help in the coming days? ialike- mentioned. what is going to be done to help in the coming days?— to help in the coming days? we are develoin: to help in the coming days? we are developing that _ to help in the coming days? we are developing that intelligence - developing that intelligence picture. we identify further protest activity, we will make sure we are the offering reassurance in dealing with any of those protesters. but that my message be clear. if we are people out there are intent on causing disorder, do not bother. you're not welcome in our cities. you'll find you and we will take action. ~ ., ., , ., ., ., action. what does that mean for eo - le action. what does that mean for people involved _ action. what does that mean for people involved in _ action. what does that mean for people involved in this - action. what does that mean for people involved in this protest l people involved in this protest question— people involved in this protest question i_ people involved in this protest question i was— people involved in this protest question i was a _ people involved in this protest question i was a card - people involved in this protest question i was a card set - people involved in this protest question i was a card set on i people involved in this protesti question i was a card set on fire and beer— question i was a card set on fire and beer cans— question i was a card set on fire and beer cans been— question i was a card set on fire and beer cans been thrown, - question i was a card set on fire l and beer cans been thrown, glass bottles _ and beer cans been thrown, glass bottles what _ and beer cans been thrown, glass bottles. what action _ and beer cans been thrown, glass bottles. what action can - and beer cans been thrown, glass bottles. what action can be - and beer cans been thrown, glass bottles. what action can be donel and beer cans been thrown, glass . bottles. what action can be done for people _ bottles. what action can be done for people who — bottles. what action can be done for people who do — bottles. what action can be done for people who do this? _ bottles. what action can be done for people who do this? it is _ bottles. what action can be done for people who do this?— people who do this? it is clearly unacceptable — people who do this? it is clearly unacceptable behaviour - people who do this? it is clearly unacceptable behaviour and - people who do this? it is clearly| unacceptable behaviour and they people who do this? it is clearly - unacceptable behaviour and they will get the full force of the law. ten people are already arrested and we have officers now actively making further arrest attempts from those identified and that will continue into the coming days as well. does that mean arrest _ into the coming days as well. does that mean arrest of— into the coming days as well. does that mean arrest of prison - into the coming days as well. does that mean arrest of prison time? yes, _ that mean arrest of prison time? yes, individuals— that mean arrest of prison time? yes, individuals will— that mean arrest of prison time? yes, individuals will be _ that mean arrest of prison time? yes, individuals will be arrested. working in partnership with cps and were necessary we will put people before the courts. flan

were necessary we will put people before the courts.— before the courts. can you tell us about. a tragic— before the courts. can you tell us about. a tragic accident - before the courts. can you tell us about. a tragic accident involving | about. a tragic accident involving the rider, about. a tragic accident involving the rider. in _ about. a tragic accident involving the rider, in terms _ about. a tragic accident involving the rider, in terms of— about. a tragic accident involving the rider, in terms of an - about. a tragic accident involving | the rider, in terms of an accident, resulting in quite significant injuries. resulting in quite significant in'uries. ~ . resulting in quite significant in'uries. . ., ., . resulting in quite significant in'uries. ~ ., ., . ., injuries. was at the violence going on around them,. _ injuries. was at the violence going on around them,. the _ injuries. was at the violence going on around them,. the writer had i injuries. was at the violence going - on around them,. the writer had been involved in the _ on around them,. the writer had been involved in the protest _ on around them,. the writer had been involved in the protest and _ on around them,. the writer had been involved in the protest and was - on around them,. the writer had been involved in the protest and was kind . involved in the protest and was kind of leaving the protest when the accident occurred.— of leaving the protest when the accident occurred. what you make of the damage — accident occurred. what you make of the damage to _ accident occurred. what you make of the damage to the _ accident occurred. what you make of the damage to the square _ accident occurred. what you make of the damage to the square here? - accident occurred. what you make of the damage to the square here? so. accident occurred. what you make of the damage to the square here? so i look a the damage to the square here? sol look a mountie and i see the square looking _ look a mountie and i see the square looking as _ look a mountie and i see the square looking as fantastic _ look a mountie and i see the square looking as fantastic as _ look a mountie and i see the square looking as fantastic as it _ look a mountie and i see the square looking as fantastic as it always - looking as fantastic as it always does _ looking as fantastic as it always does there _ looking as fantastic as it always does. there seems _ looking as fantastic as it always does. there seems last- looking as fantastic as it always does. there seems last night. looking as fantastic as it always i does. there seems last night were very easily— does. there seems last night were very easily cleaned _ does. there seems last night were very easily cleaned up _ does. there seems last night were very easily cleaned up by- does. there seems last night were very easily cleaned up by our- does. there seems last night were very easily cleaned up by our staffl very easily cleaned up by our staff and communities— very easily cleaned up by our staff and communities and _ very easily cleaned up by our staff and communities and am - very easily cleaned up by our staff and communities and am grateful| very easily cleaned up by our staff . and communities and am grateful to them _ and communities and am grateful to them for— and communities and am grateful to them for that — what will do it but funding were now

going to deploying officers on the streets to keep people here in sunderland safe? in streets to keep people here in sunderland safe?— streets to keep people here in sunderland safe? in terms of the officers, sunderland safe? in terms of the officers. that _ sunderland safe? in terms of the officers, that is _ sunderland safe? in terms of the officers, that is a _ sunderland safe? in terms of the officers, that is a decision - sunderland safe? in terms of the officers, that is a decision for - sunderland safe? in terms of thej officers, that is a decision for the chief— officers, that is a decision for the chief constable. she has the resources. the resources are passed to her— resources. the resources are passed to her to _ resources. the resources are passed to her to make those decisions, which _ to her to make those decisions, which are — to her to make those decisions, which are operational. obviously, i was kept _ which are operational. obviously, i was kept fully informed all of yesterday and the day before. this was not _ yesterday and the day before. this was not something that took the police _ was not something that took the police force by surprise. this was something — police force by surprise. this was something that there was a very clear— something that there was a very clear plan— something that there was a very clear plan behind how we responded to it shall— clear plan behind how we responded to it shall not make it worse, if necessary _ to it shall not make it worse, if necessary but then to be there, if necessary — necessary but then to be there, if necessary. and we will continue to support— necessary. and we will continue to support the — necessary. and we will continue to support the police and doing that. i will continue to have the conversations with the government so i had conversations with the government so i had a _ conversations with the government so i had a conversation this morning with the — i had a conversation this morning with the home secretary who had already— with the home secretary who had already made that commitment about the extra _ already made that commitment about the extra cps staff to make sure that justice the extra cps staff to make sure thatjustice is swift

the extra cps staff to make sure that justice is swift and we get people — that justice is swift and we get people charged very quickly. and, you know. — people charged very quickly. and, you know, there are limited resources _ you know, there are limited resources that cost the whole country — resources that cost the whole country and the moment police forces are supporting each other in dealing with that. _ are supporting each other in dealing with that, within northumbria, peoples — with that, within northumbria, peoples rest days have been cancelled. people were working through— cancelled. people were working through the night last night and are back working today so every bit of resource — back working today so every bit of resource we have got is targeted, keeping _ resource we have got is targeted, keeping people safe and protecting our local— keeping people safe and protecting our local economy and our businesses. do our local economy and our businesses.— our local economy and our businesses. ., ., . businesses. do we have enough police on the streets? _ businesses. do we have enough police on the streets? i _ businesses. do we have enough police on the streets? i mean, _ businesses. do we have enough police on the streets? i mean, i _ businesses. do we have enough police on the streets? i mean, i know- businesses. do we have enough police on the streets? i mean, i know there i on the streets? i mean, i know there has been a lot of calls to get more police out on the streets. we have less police officers than we once did 12 or 13 years ago. is there enough to deal with the scanner protests, these riots? if enough to deal with the scanner protests, these riots?— enough to deal with the scanner protests, these riots? if you ask me i will protests, these riots? if you ask me i will always — protests, these riots? if you ask me i will always say _ protests, these riots? if you ask me i will always say we _ protests, these riots? if you ask me i will always say we need _ protests, these riots? if you ask me i will always say we need more - i will always say we need more police — i will always say we need more police officers the same way that we need more _ police officers the same way that we need more teachers and youth workers and doctors _ need more teachers and youth workers and doctors and nurses, but we work with what _ and doctors and nurses, but we work with what we — and doctors and nurses, but we work with what we have got and we work effectively — with what we have got and we work effectively with what we have got. we are _ effectively with what we have got. we are still down on police numbers from where — we are still down on police numbers from where we were in 2010 so, you we are _ from where we were in 2010 so, you we are dealing with crime and criminality that is different as

well— criminality that is different as well to— criminality that is different as well to 2010. sol criminality that is different as well to 2010. so i will, as well as lobbying — well to 2010. so i will, as well as lobbying for, though, instant stuff now. _ lobbying for, though, instant stuff now. i_ lobbying for, though, instant stuff now. iwill— lobbying for, though, instant stuff now, i will continue to lobby for better— now, i will continue to lobby for better funding for the police force. to think— better funding for the police force. to think there was enough to deal with the scenes last night by imagining there was enough police officers to deal with what was happening? i officers to deal with what was happening?— officers to deal with what was happening? officers to deal with what was haueninu? ~ , . happening? i think there was, yes. and when you _ happening? i think there was, yes. and when you are _ happening? i think there was, yes. and when you are dealing - happening? i think there was, yes. and when you are dealing with - happening? i think there was, yes. j and when you are dealing with that level of— and when you are dealing with that level of violence and criminality, in some — level of violence and criminality, in some ways it does not matter how many _ in some ways it does not matter how many officers you have got out there — many officers you have got out there. that is going to run its course — there. that is going to run its course like _ there. that is going to run its course like it did so, yeah, my concern — course like it did so, yeah, my concern is _ course like it did so, yeah, my concern is that a police force, and the police — concern is that a police force, and the police forces nationally, i going — the police forces nationally, i going to _ the police forces nationally, i going to be absolutely exhausted if this continues through the summer. but, this continues through the summer. but. yes. _ this continues through the summer. but. yes. it — this continues through the summer. but, yes, it was resourced. exactly as it _ but, yes, it was resourced. exactly as it should — but, yes, it was resourced. exactly as it should have been last night. so we're — as it should have been last night. so we're just going to come away from that press conference there. you got a flavour of some of the questions being asked in some of the statements are messages coming out

from officials there in sunderland. the latest update also on the numbers. northumbria police saying ten arrests were made for offences including violent disorder and burglary. and also hearing from police doubt that officers are heading out today, continuing that process of potentially arresting more people. plenty more details coming up. this is bbc news.

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