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more than 250 people have already been arrested. lots of people have concerns and views about crime, about the nhs, about immigration, but they don't pick up breaks and throw them at the police. —— bricks. the prime minister is holding an emergency meeting to discuss the issue, as some mps say parliament should be recalled. one week on from the deadly stabbings in southport in which the misinformation sparked the violence across the uk, southport tries to come to terms with what happened. and more olympic glory for team gb — they win bronze in the triathlon mixed team relay after a dramatic photo finish hello, good morning. it's nine o'clock. i'm nicky schiller. we start with the fallout
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from a weekend of more violent disorder in england and northern ireland. police forces across the uk have made more than 250 arrests — and that number is expected to rise. this morning, the home secretary, yvette cooper, has condemned what she called the "disgraceful scenes of violence and thuggery" promising "swiftjustice" for those involved in the unrest. in the next hour, the prime minister, sir keir starmer, will hold an emergency response meeting — known as cobra — with senior police leaders as they look to de—escalate the violence, following the fatal stabbing of three young girls in southport a week ago today. misinformation about the identity of the southport attacker, spread on social media, led to the riots. this is footage taken from social media which has been looked at by our team on bbc verify. it shows rioters, starting fires at a holiday inn express hotel in tamworth. staffordshire police said
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an officer was injured during what they described as acts of thuggery. ten officers were injured in rotherham in south yorkshire, where they had been trying to prevent a mob from storming another hotel believed to house asylum seekers. on saturday, there was unrest in stoke, manchester, bristol, nottingham, hull, leeds, belfast and liverpool. with more yesterday in rotherham, tamworth, bolton, weymouth, and middlesbrough. in the next hour we will get the latest from around the country and from downing street, where that emergency meeting will be held. but first, this report from aruna iyengar. anger and lawlessness across the country. this is rotherham. bolton. middlesbrough. and tamworth. in south yorkshire, anti—racism protesters were making a stand
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outside a hotel where it's believed asylum seekers are being housed. but they were soon outnumbered by anti—immigration protesters, angry at the idea of asylum seekers being housed in taxpayer funded hotel rooms. it then turned ugly. demonstrators shouted "yorkshire". they smashed windows. fires were lit. they attacked the police and managed to break into the holiday inn express before being beaten back. and last night there were attacks on a holiday inn in tamworth in staffordshire. they hurled bricks and petrol bombs at the police, one officer suffered a suspected broken arm. the crowd then tried to break into the hotel. in bolton the protests there had been described as a pro—british march online. it started quietly, but soon escalated. around 300 men ran towards the town hall. we are not having it, bruv!
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they chanted "allahu akbar", god is great, towards the anti—immigration protesters who hurled back insults. there were running street battles with the police as they tried to separate different groups. tiles, stones, fireworks and smoke bombs were thrown. a cricket and baseball bat was confiscated. police were given extra powers to ask demonstrators to remove masks which hid their identity. riot police managed to keep the two groups apart, they brought in horses and dogs to reinforce their lines. in middlesbrough, too, a large crowd caused mayhem. police described the level of violence as staggering. arrests were made as they tried to restore order. the prime minister sir keir starmer condemned the weekend's events, calling it far right thuggery. i guarantee you will regret taking part in this disorder, whether directly, or those whipping up this action online, and then running away themselves.
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much of the violence this weekend has been directed at those tasked to protect the public. police representatives will meet with the prime minister and senior ministers at a cobra meeting later today. the government has promised to use the full force of the law against the perpetrators of violence. aruna iyengar, bbc news. as we said, the prime minister sir keir starmer is due to hold an emergency response meeting to discuss the violent disorder. that's due to get underway in the next hour or so. let's speak to our political correspondent nick eardley who is in downing street. some of the particular —— some of the pretty unequivocal messaging we have heard from the prime minister and the last couple of hours, talking about far right thugs,
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saying that people would face the full force of the law. a message we also heard from the home secretary this morning when she said they would be a reckoning for those involved. but the second thing is also to talk about logistics. i think that part of the thinking behind this cobra meeting this morning is to bring police chiefs around the table with senior ministers, and to try and find out what lessons can be learned from the last few days, and what can be done different over the next few days, if there is more unrest to come. there is definitely concern in government that this is going to continue for a while. and i think that part of the thinking behind this meeting today is to try to figure out what lessons can be learned in the next few days and weeks. fix, can be learned in the next few days and week-— and weeks. a lot of the protests have sprung _ and weeks. a lot of the protests have sprung up _ and weeks. a lot of the protests have sprung up on _ and weeks. a lot of the protests have sprung up on social- and weeks. a lot of the protests have sprung up on social media. and weeks. a lot of the protests - have sprung up on social media. and thatis have sprung up on social media. and that is very hard for government ministers to control, isn't it? it
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is. speaking to people in number 10 this morning they would argue there are some ways in which you can already use the law to crack down on some of what you saw on social media. for example, it is already an offence to incite violence or disorder. that is one thing they are looking at. what you are absolutely right, when it comes to the wider issue of disinformation, or misinformation, something many think it is at the heart of this with rumours of attacks which proved to be untrue, circulating online, it's pretty difficult, actually, for the government to come up with the short term solution to that. there was the online safety bill which went through parliament under the last government. that was criticised by some for not doing enough to tackle this information. —— disinformation. there is an acknowledgement in government this will not be a quick fix, that they can'tjust come up
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with quick solutions in the next few weeks or months. but there is a message we heard from the prime minister and the home secretary this morning, saying that social media companies have a responsibility here too, trying to put a bit of pressure on to say, look, you guys need to look at some of this misinformation and disinformation and deal with it. when it comes to enforcing that, not sure there is a silver bullet. irate sure there is a silver bullet. we have the cobra meeting in the next hour. they have also been calls for parliament to be recalled? yes. hour. they have also been calls for parliament to be recalled?- parliament to be recalled? yes, a few labour _ parliament to be recalled? yes, a few labour mps _ parliament to be recalled? yes, a few labour mps and _ parliament to be recalled? yes, a few labour mps and some - few labour mps and some conservatives, being echoed this morning by nigel farage from reform uk, all saying that parliament should be recalled. because it is august, parliament is on its summer break. it is not due back until the start of september. so there is a question being asked among some mps, well, look, if this gets worse, if this disorder continues, is it not right for parliament to be recalled so they can be some discussion about
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what should be done to try to crack down on this disorder. some mps say they should be more of a discussion about some of the issues behind what they see as these protests that started and eventually turned into violent disorder. so i think those calls may well grow. i don't think it's impossible that parliament is recalled if this does continue over the next few days and weeks. number 10 saying at the moment he doesn't io saying at the moment he doesn't think there is any need for parliament to be brought back at this stage. but as i say, if this continues, it may be something they have two visit. just picking up some of your points, there were some peaceful protests over the weekend and there is still the underlying issue that some people are concerned about immigration and the impact it is having on services and other things in the country?— in the country? there is no doubt there are large _ in the country? there is no doubt there are large part— in the country? there is no doubt there are large part of— in the country? there is no doubt there are large part of the - there are large part of the population that do have concerns about immigration. the answer the
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government would give to that is, there is a difference between protesting and the violence we saw over the weekend, the attacking of hotels, some of the attacking police as well. but i do think it is a question that politicians will have to grapple with over the next few days. who are the different people that are being drawn to these protests, some would call protests, some would call riots? there are clearly some people who are spoiling for a fight, and that has been pretty widely condemned by politicians. there are some who would ask the question of whether everybody who is on these protests is far right, and whether some average people, average voters with real concerns about immigration, are attending as well. one of the things you may have seen in some of the bbc reporting over the weekend is that people were turning up and condemning the violence when it broke out. it is a difficult question to answer. who exactly is
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going to these protests? but you raise an important question, one that politicians will have to deal with. who are the different groups being attracted to these protests, as they are being advertised, and who are then those who are engaging in some really serious unrest, disobedience and violence? it's a complicated question, it's a complicated question, it's a complicated answer. we don't have all those answers at the moment. but i am certain it is one the politicians will be asked. very briefl , politicians will be asked. very briefly. we — politicians will be asked. very briefly, we are _ politicians will be asked. very briefly, we are keeping - politicians will be asked. very briefly, we are keeping an - politicians will be asked. very briefly, we are keeping an eye on downing street and 70 whitehall. slyney practicalities of what we know as a cobra meeting? yeah, the basic premise _ know as a cobra meeting? yeah, the basic premise behind _ know as a cobra meeting? yeah, the basic premise behind cobra - know as a cobra meeting? yeah, the basic premise behind cobra is - know as a cobra meeting? yeah, the basic premise behind cobra is that i basic premise behind cobra is that when there is a serious situation, it allows ministers and civil servants to get around the table and thrash out a response. the one today about the unrest we have seen over the weekend will include a senior police officers whose job it will be to tell the prime minister, the home
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secretary, the justice to tell the prime minister, the home secretary, thejustice secretary to tell the prime minister, the home secretary, the justice secretary and others, what they have seen over the weekend, what lessons they think can be learned, but can maybe be done differently going forward. in terms of actual concrete outcomes from this cobra, i wouldn't hold your breath. i don't think there will be a massive change in policy. i think there may well be another message of reassurance coming from the top levels of government, some more condemnation, perhaps the police saying, here's what we intend to do over the next few days. but it is also designed, like that press conference was on thursday, like the address from the prime minister, it is designed to be the government saying, we are on top of this, we know what is going on, and we are ready to respond. nick eardley, thank you for —— i give very much for the moment. as you heard, hundreds of people were involved in the violence in rotherham yesterday. jessica lane is there, and we can speak to her now. jessica, just explain what the clear
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up jessica, just explain what the clear up operation is there with you this morning? up operation is there with you this mornin: ? �* ., ., . ., morning? after all the violence and destruction today _ morning? after all the violence and destruction today is _ morning? after all the violence and destruction today is the _ morning? after all the violence and destruction today is the time - morning? after all the violence and destruction today is the time for . destruction today is the time for the clean—up. you can probably see behind me they are boarding up the windows. that is because along the ground floor of this hotel loads of the windows have been broken in the unrest yesterday. there are about 700 people here. it started off fairly peacefully with a protest, thenit fairly peacefully with a protest, then it started to get a lot more violent when some anti—immigration protesters turned up. that's because this holiday inn was housing asylum seekers and they were coming here to protest against that. you can see, they say some of the glass. the clean—up operation has started and they have done incredible work so far. all of these three windows were broken last night by all the violence. that is obviously meant to be the dining room. chairs and tables and broken crockery in there as well. all of the glass that came out of there has been swept up by official council cleaners. something
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else we have seen, local residents have been coming down, bringing bin bags and litter pickers and garden gloves, and they have been doing their bit to help out. this is on an industrial estate, e—business estate industrial estate, e—business estate in in south yorkshire. but there are houses just there. we in in south yorkshire. but there are housesjust there. we have in in south yorkshire. but there are houses just there. we have spoken to some of the residents who live just there. they were able to see everything that was happening. they said they were terrified. lots of them evacuated their houses while them evacuated their houses while the violence was happening. but today they are the ones who have come down to help clean up and help people tidy up after that violence. we saw that happen in southport last week as well. what has happened to the people who were in the hotel? do we know? ., ., ., the people who were in the hotel? do we know? . . . ~ we know? yeah, we have heard. we soke to we know? yeah, we have heard. we spoke to the — we know? yeah, we have heard. we spoke to the local _ we know? yeah, we have heard. we spoke to the local mp _ we know? yeah, we have heard. we spoke to the local mp here - we know? yeah, we have heard. we spoke to the local mp here this - spoke to the local mp here this morning, john healey. there were some asylum seekers being housed in here. there were also members of staff. we believe there were about 20 people. one person who was inside wouldn't speak on camera but said
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they were absolutely terrified, scared for their lives. they barricaded themselves into one room in the hotel. they were using fridges to block the doors because they said they were absolutely terrified that these people were going to come in and they would potentially be more violence. local mp, john healey, said everyone the hotel have been moved. the asylum seekers have been moved out. those members of staff in here were able to go home to their families as well. i to go home to their families as well. . , , , to go home to their families as well. ., , , , , well. i assume there must be concerned — well. i assume there must be concerned that _ well. i assume there must be concerned that there - well. i assume there must be concerned that there could i well. i assume there must be | concerned that there could be well. i assume there must be - concerned that there could be more violence? . , �* violence? yeah, definitely. and definitely from _ violence? yeah, definitely. and definitely from people - violence? yeah, definitely. and definitely from people living - violence? yeah, definitely. and - definitely from people living around here. they don't want to see this happening again. lots of people have had their own property damage. fence panels were ripped off over there. they were used to break the windows down and to assault police officers. they don't want to see this happening again. they want to see and do here and do feel a really strong response from the police and the government. that is something that people are saying. a lot of people have been coming down this morning, all condemning the violence. nobody is saying that is a
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good idea. some say they have had no problems with the asylum seekers. but others saying, actually, they do think it is an issue and something should be done because they say there are people feeling as if their voices are not being heard, so there needs to be a much bigger conversation. it sounds like that conversation. it sounds like that conversation is only reallyjust starting. jessica lane, thank you. it has been a week since i was young girls were killed in the southport. love living in town are refusing to let the far right violence... as you heard, it's been a week since three young girls were killed in a knife attack there. let's speak live to the former imam at southport mosque. the mask was the scene of some violence on tuesday night. i was in southport on tuesday and
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wednesday. and i saw the community coming together to repair the area. what has the mood been like over the last week there?— last week there? good morning. of course, i last week there? good morning. of course. i mean. — last week there? good morning. of course, i mean, it's— last week there? good morning. of course, i mean, it's been _ last week there? good morning. of course, i mean, it's been a - last week there? good morning. of course, i mean, it's been a dark . course, i mean, it's been a dark week, a difficult week. and i think it's sad that we are actually having to talk about the violence when such a big tragedy has befallen the town. the saddest part of the whole thing is that the violence to place at a time when families were grieving and in morning and in pain. and like yesterday, like i've said before, it was sunday, a day when it should have been a day of peace, a day of prayer is for peace and protection from these horrific crimes. but unfortunately, we saw very difficult
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and unfortunate scenes around the country. but as we said, southport is a quiet, peaceful time. it was quiet and peaceful on tuesday afternoon. unfortunately, it has returned to what it was and the scenes that we saw images on wednesday morning, they were powerful images, to tell everybody that this is not what the town will accept or welcome. and we all knew that those people who had come to the protest, they were not people, and —— i mean, i'm not sure where they are from, but i have lived on they are from, but i have lived on the road with the muskies for more than ten years, and i know very well that they were not local people —— where they mask my case. the local people or the people we saw on wednesday morning coming together to clean up the mess and show their solidarity and support for the victims of the horrific crime on monday. it victims of the horrific crime on
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monda . , , ., monday. it is interesting that the reli . ious monday. it is interesting that the religious leaders _ monday. it is interesting that the religious leaders across - monday. it is interesting that the i religious leaders across merseyside have all come together to say that message that you have put, which is these were people from outside the area coming in, and the focus should be on the families that are having to cope with that horrific stabbing a week ago today?— a week ago today? yeah, most definitely- _ a week ago today? yeah, most definitely- i— a week ago today? yeah, most definitely. i mean, _ a week ago today? yeah, most definitely. i mean, most- a week ago today? yeah, most - definitely. i mean, most definitely. even now the real victims are still the families of the victims of last monday's horrific and unspeakable crime. and i think the quicker the focus can be shifted back to that, the better it will be for everybody. we should be a nation in mourning and not having to really speak about anything else. but yes, everybody has the same message, all the religious leaders. southport is a very quiet time, the mosque has been
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there since 1994. there has never been... i have lived in the mosque building with my own family. there has never been any trouble. there was no trouble until tuesday afternoon. it has gone back to normal. all the town really wants now is to go back and be left in peace to grieve in peace and to reflect over what has happened. find reflect over what has happened. and on the wider issue, how concerned are you about the violence we have seen across other parts of england? and what would you now like to see the government do? i and what would you now like to see the government do?— the government do? i mean, to be concerned. — the government do? i mean, to be concerned. we _ the government do? i mean, to be concerned, we have _ the government do? i mean, to be concerned, we have to _ the government do? i mean, to be concerned, we have to really - concerned, we have to really understand the situation. and i think at this moment in time it's hard to understand or make any sense of the situation. it's hard to see who the target is. we have seen many protests from the different banners under different names. we have seen the police, who were there on the front line on monday, they are now
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facing the brunt of this deadly violence. i think the authorities would be in a better situation to assess the situation and say who is protesting, what they are protesting about. as for like myself or the general public. it's hard to really make sense of anything at this moment in time. the former imam at southport mosque, thank you forjoining us. my thank you forjoining us. my colleague lauren moss has been to southport reporting on the tragedy for the past week. shejoins me now. i was there with you last week. what is the mood in the town one week on? hi, nikki. well, it's hard to believe in a way that it has been a week since the three little girls died in the stabbing on the first full day, the first full week, the
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school holidays, just half a mile from where i am now. and he thought of the whole community here are very much with the family of bebe king, elsie dot stancombe and alice dasilva aguiar. the sheer amount of flowers are just one spot in southport, in the town centre, not even the scene where it happened. overnight, more flowers, balloons and teddy bears have been laid. candles were burning through the night. children have chalk messages on the pavement. i was reading some of them earlier. one says, dancing queens. and a message to bebe king says, we will love you forever. in the last half hour or so, some tables have been laid out and notice boards with yet more cards and tributes and folders with sketches in that have been done by people in the community leaving messages for the community leaving messages for the girls and their families. the community leaving messages for the girls and theirfamilies. and one, to one of the girls, says, to the best cousin in the world, i love you. i have been speaking to some of the people laying the flowers this
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morning. one gentleman laid three single flowers. another laid a bunch of flowers before. others have been coming down silently to pay their respects to the girls and their families. and of course people are still recovering in hospital, still waiting on an update to find out how they are doing. we know two children were released from alder hey hospital last week. the thought in southport very much still with those injured. this is a community still pulling together, still trying to stand together, against the violence. because it was here that the vigil took place last tuesday. and ijust after that rachel finished, that was the first outbreak of violent disorder that we saw just a outbreak of violent disorder that we sawjust a short time ago. —— that vigilfinished. we saw sawjust a short time ago. —— that vigil finished. we saw it over the country at the weekend. and again, in liverpool, a few miles south of where i am standing right now, there were scenes of violent disorder over the weekend. 33 people arrested in connection with a library being set on fire, a local community hub, a police car, five people due in court
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in connection with that at liverpool magistrates this morning. here in southport, it's very much about the young girls and theirfamilies. you talk about how the community in southport has pulled together. it is even the little things like i have noticed that people are looking after the flowers and bringing water out for them and making sure that the teddy bears don't get wet if it rains? , . , the teddy bears don't get wet if it rains? , ., , ., , ., the teddy bears don't get wet if it rains? , .,, ., , ., _ rains? yes, i was really moved by that last week. _ rains? yes, i was really moved by that last week. and _ rains? yes, i was really moved by that last week. and again - rains? yes, i was really moved by that last week. and again today. | rains? yes, i was really moved by i that last week. and again today. you can see lots of empty buckets which have been pre—filled with water, sort of an indication of the amount of tributes and flowers that people are expecting to still continue to be left here today, and more people turning up there with pockets for the flowers as well. and people that work nearby, for those flowers that will be left, continue to be left, when we got. i spoke to some people last week who were coming outside of their homes on hart street, which is not too far from where i'm standing, watering the plants. they have taken the teddy bears that have been left
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by children, in overnight, because it rained a couple of nights last week. they don't want those bears left by children for the children to get ruined and damp and become mouldy. so they have taken the main overnight, put them in their homes. as the sun comes up, they are out there at the crack of dawn putting there at the crack of dawn putting the teddy bears back out again. they will keep doing that for as long as they can, because that is what southport is all about. it is not about the violent disorder we saw here on tuesday night and into wednesday morning. but of course that did happen. what i was very struck by when i arrived on wednesday morning was a huge clean—up operation, much like jessica was talking about in rotherham, local people coming together to clear it up with their bare hands, with brooms and beanbags from their own houses to try to get their community back together. —— bin bags. rebuilding the wall outside the local mosque. that is the sort of southport people here want people to remember. it is certainly what _ want people to remember. it is certainly what i _ want people to remember. it is certainly what i remember from my certainly what i rememberfrom my time there. thank you very much indeed. let's speak to peter
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williams, a senior lecturer at the liverpool centre for advanced policing studies. thank you for joining us on bbc news. i wondered if i could just first get your reaction to what we have seen over the weekend, with the violence spreading across parts of england? well, like everybody else, extremely disappointed and shocked by what i have seen — disappointed and shocked by what i have seen. i think one of the difficulties the police service is facing — difficulties the police service is facing is — difficulties the police service is facing is the unpredictable venues of where — facing is the unpredictable venues of where this is happening. and for me this _ of where this is happening. and for me this is — of where this is happening. and for me this is linked, it indicates a lack_ me this is linked, it indicates a lack of— me this is linked, it indicates a lack of intelligence surrounding the activities _ lack of intelligence surrounding the activities of these protesters and these _ activities of these protesters and these groups, which of course have been _ these groups, which of course have been labelled far right, and i think that will_ been labelled far right, and i think that will need to be addressed going forward _ that will need to be addressed going forward. ., . ., ., ., forward. how much i social media got to -la forward. how much i social media got to play in this. _ forward. how much i social media got to play in this. the — forward. how much i social media got to play in this, the fact _ forward. how much i social media got to play in this, the fact that _ forward. how much i social media got to play in this, the fact that a - forward. how much i social media got to play in this, the fact that a lot - to play in this, the fact that a lot of these violent protests have been organised through social media and
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channels on social platforms? weill. channels on social platforms? well, it would appear _ channels on social platforms? well, it would appear to _ channels on social platforms? well, it would appear to be _ channels on social platforms? well, it would appear to be a _ channels on social platforms? well, it would appear to be a huge - it would appear to be a huge influence. i'm actually not surprised that, actually. because i think— surprised that, actually. because i think if— surprised that, actually. because i think if we — surprised that, actually. because i think if we rewind 18 months, nicky, to another— think if we rewind 18 months, nicky, to another tragic incident we saw here _ to another tragic incident we saw here in_ to another tragic incident we saw here in the — to another tragic incident we saw here in the north west, and that was the incident — here in the north west, and that was the incident surrounding nicola buiiey— the incident surrounding nicola buiiey in — the incident surrounding nicola bulley in lancashire. if you're remember on what happened there, the social media _ remember on what happened there, the social media probably started with well—meaning individuals, but certainly— well—meaning individuals, but certainly went into what we would call over _ certainly went into what we would call over and certainly dominated the investigation by lancashire police — the investigation by lancashire police. now what i am saying is not my own _ police. now what i am saying is not my own analysis. there was an inquiry— my own analysis. there was an inquiry by— my own analysis. there was an inquiry by the college of policing into the — inquiry by the college of policing into the nicola bulley affair. it was published last november. it's available — was published last november. it's available on the college policing website — available on the college policing website if people want to view it. but what — website if people want to view it.
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but what it did say is exactly what i am saying. lancashire, whilst it was a _ i am saying. lancashire, whilst it was a very— i am saying. lancashire, whilst it was a very competent investigation, despite _ was a very competent investigation, despite what was being said at the time, _ despite what was being said at the time, they— despite what was being said at the time, they did allow the social media — time, they did allow the social media to — time, they did allow the social media to dominate almost the agenda. so media to dominate almost the agenda. 50 i'm _ media to dominate almost the agenda. 50 i'm not— media to dominate almost the agenda. so i'm not surprised that social media — so i'm not surprised that social media has— so i'm not surprised that social media has been so influential. and again— media has been so influential. and again it's _ media has been so influential. and again it's something we will need to look forward. to look at again going forward, _ look forward. to look at again going forward, the influence. obviously that is— forward, the influence. obviously that is a — forward, the influence. obviously that is a matter for government to work_ that is a matter for government to work with— that is a matter for government to work with the social media outlets etc. work with the social media outlets etc so _ work with the social media outlets etc, ., ,., work with the social media outlets etc. ., , ., ~ work with the social media outlets etc, ., , ., 4' , work with the social media outlets etc, ., y., 4' , ., etc. so do you think there needs to be a national _ etc. so do you think there needs to be a national view _ etc. so do you think there needs to be a national view on _ etc. so do you think there needs to be a national view on that, - etc. so do you think there needs to be a national view on that, rather. be a national view on that, rather than individual police forces trying to look at the intelligence on social media to see if there will be disorder in their area?— disorder in their area? well, there are two elements _ disorder in their area? well, there are two elements to _ disorder in their area? well, there are two elements to that - disorder in their area? well, there are two elements to that in - disorder in their area? well, there l are two elements to that in relation to intelligence. obviously in england _ to intelligence. obviously in england and wales we have got a constabulary style structure. 43 forces, — constabulary style structure. 43 forces, 44 — constabulary style structure. 43 forces, 44 if you include the
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british— forces, 44 if you include the british transport police. one of the strengths _ british transport police. one of the strengths of british policing, actually, is its locality, it's iocaiism. _ actually, is its locality, it's localism, the fact that we have got localism, the fact that we have got local knowledge and we know our communities. but due to austerity primarily, — communities. but due to austerity primarily, chief officers over the last few— primarily, chief officers over the last few years have had no option but to _ last few years have had no option but to almost dismantle neighbourhood policing teams. now neighbourhood policing teams. now neighbourhood policing teams are the tool where _ neighbourhood policing teams are the tool where we are able to work with communities, and in partnership with other— communities, and in partnership with other agencies, and of course that is where _ other agencies, and of course that is where the intelligence, what we need _ is where the intelligence, what we need from — is where the intelligence, what we need from the ground up, comes from. so we _ need from the ground up, comes from. so we need _ need from the ground up, comes from. so we need to— need from the ground up, comes from. so we need to reinstate neighbourhood policing. in fairness, yvette _ neighbourhood policing. in fairness, yvette cooper has said she will do that _ yvette cooper has said she will do that we — yvette cooper has said she will do that. we need to kick—start that intelligence flow. that intelligence then flows into a bigger regional and national system under what we
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call the _ and national system under what we call the national intelligence modet — call the national intelligence model. so, the structures are there. what _ model. so, the structures are there. what we _ model. so, the structures are there. what we have been lacking is the fact and — what we have been lacking is the fact and means to get that. and i do think— fact and means to get that. and i do think that _ fact and means to get that. and i do think that on this occasion, specifically, over the last weekend we have _ specifically, over the last weekend we have lacked the intelligence because — we have lacked the intelligence because we have not been able to predict _ because we have not been able to predict where we are seeing the issues, — predict where we are seeing the issues, the problem are going to come _ issues, the problem are going to come from _ issues, the problem are going to come from-— issues, the problem are going to come from. ., ., ,, ., ., ., come from. you talk about that as a lonr-term come from. you talk about that as a long-term thing _ come from. you talk about that as a long-term thing regarding _ | come from. you talk about that as a | long-term thing regarding resources long—term thing regarding resources but this is something that's happening now. so what's the biggest challenge for the officers on the ground in the forces themselves? that ground in the forces themselves? at the moment, the here and now is the resource _ the moment, the here and now is the resource thing. there's no two ways about _ resource thing. there's no two ways about that — resource thing. there's no two ways about that. the police services like any other— about that. the police services like any other organisation. it is the period — any other organisation. it is the period of— any other organisation. it is the period of the year where there is most _ period of the year where there is most demand for leave in august. there _ most demand for leave in august. there will— most demand for leave in august. there will be a lot of disappointed chitdren— there will be a lot of disappointed children across the country who have found _ children across the country who have found their _ children across the country who have found their mums and dads have had
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