absolutely rapid! we also had a world record here in the pole vault again, duplantis keeps literally raising the bar and tomorrow we will have the 2 fastest british women in history with dina asher—smith and daryll neita coming through their semifinals to make the 200 metres final and the rivalry will be renewed between the british world championjosh kerr and olympic champion josh kerr and olympic champion josh kerr and olympic champion jakob championjosh kerr and olympic championjakob ingebrigtsen in the men's 1500 metres final. we championjakob ingebrigtsen in the men's1500 metres final. we will see you again tomorrow! time for a look at the weather.

days of violence on the streets. a standing army of specialist police officers announced to tackle the disorder. but is enough being done to keep us safe? hello, and welcome to newsnight, the home of insight, interviews, and illuminating conversation. tonight, after six days of violence,

tensions are high in plymouth as groups of protesters and counter—protestors gather in the city centre. 150 officers have been deployed in the city centre. the police say, "work is ongoing to de—escalate the situation." in birmingham, hundreds gathered in the bordesley green area for a largely peaceful demonstration. however, a group of youths broke away from the main group and were responsible for at least three cases of criminal damage, west midlands police said. now, we've already seen the first cases in court — hundreds charged for burglary, violent disorder, and other offences — and an emergency cobra meeting in downing street. this map shows some of the towns and cities where disorder or unrest has been reported over the past week. today, the national police chiefs' council said a total of 378 arrests had been made around the country, with the total expected to rise every day.

from burnley, newsnight spoke to council leader afrasiab anwar about the desecration of muslim gravestones in his town. people have been getting in touch and saying this is appalling what has happened, and it is disgusting that somebody would treat anybody�*s grave like this. i actually went down to the cemetery to speak to the young people, to speak to the community, and what i was hearing and what i was getting from them, that once they had got over the upset on the anger, one of the things, the key message coming from them, was that they are not going to react, and they are going to ensure that there is not a negative reaction to this, because that is exactly what certain people will want to see. to talk about all this, our panel. former conservative mp and education minister dame andrea jenkyns, and the former labour mp and culture secretary ben bradshaw. also here is azeem rafiq. you'll know him as the cricketer whose evidence of institutional racism at yorkshire county cricket club triggered a wave of inquiries and investigations across the sport.

welcome to you all. if i can start with you, azeem, tell us what people in your family are saying. it is uuite in your family are saying. it is quite sickening _ in your family are saying. it is quite sickening to _ in your family are saying. it is quite sickening to see - in your family are saying. it 3 quite sickening to see greaves being vandalised now. everybody isjust being really worried for each other, making sure everybody is in communication, making sure somebody knows that everyone knows where they aren't and nobody is out alone —— graves being vandalised. so aren't and nobody is out alone —— graves being vandalised. 50 it aren't and nobody is out alone -- graves being vandalised.- graves being vandalised. so it is makin: graves being vandalised. so it is making peeple _ graves being vandalised. so it is making people change - graves being vandalised. so it is making people change the - graves being vandalised. so it is making people change the way i graves being vandalised. so it is . making people change the way they are behaving in a normal life? without a doubt. going to the mosque on friday, i did not take my son with me a couple of nights ago. at the petrol station at night, normally i would let my wife going and get a couple of things, but i out with her. we are terrified. itrailien out with her. we are terrified. when out with her. we are terrified. when ou t out with her. we are terrified. when out to out with her. we are terrified. when you try to step _ out with her. we are terrified. when you try to step back— out with her. we are terrified. when you try to step back from _ out with her. we are terrified. when you try to step back from that, - you try to step back from that, what does that mean, that you are terrified here in the uk? i

does that mean, that you are terrified here in the uk? i have had experience — terrified here in the uk? i have had experience of— terrified here in the uk? i have had experience of this _ terrified here in the uk? i have had experience of this through - terrified here in the uk? i have had experience of this through when . experience of this through when i spoke out, i left the country because of death threats and attacks on my house. coincidentally i am back here while this is going on, and i have not slept for the last few nights, trying to make sure that you are safeguarding your family as much as possible, but also being in communication with the community and making sure we don't react. yeah, it has been incredibly worrying, but when you speak to those who have gone before us, theyjust say, this is what it was like in the 1970s and the 1980s. ,., , ., is what it was like in the 1970s and the 1980s. , ., the 1980s. does it feel that bad? yes, the 1980s. does it feel that bad? yes. seeing _ the 1980s. does it feel that bad? yes, seeing clips _ the 1980s. does it feel that bad? yes, seeing clips of— the 1980s. does it feel that bad? yes, seeing clips of hotels - the 1980s. does it feel that bad? yes, seeing clips of hotels being | yes, seeing clips of hotels being banned, black and brown people being attacked just for being black and brown, places of worship is being attacked —— hotels being banned, this is something we live with and i think we have an underlying issue of racism in this country and i think it has shown over the last week or

so —— hotels being burned. you it has shown over the last week or so -- hotels being burned. you now live in dubai — so -- hotels being burned. you now live in dubai after— so -- hotels being burned. you now live in dubai after bringing - so -- hotels being burned. you now live in dubai after bringing your- live in dubai after bringing your case against yorkshire county cricket club. after that, what reaction did you get? sex, cricket club. after that, what reaction did you get? a massive backlash. reaction did you get? a massive backiash- it _ reaction did you get? a massive backlash. it has _ reaction did you get? a massive backlash. it has not _ reaction did you get? a massive backlash. it has not really - reaction did you get? a massive l backlash. it has not really ended. even though _ backlash. it has not really ended. even though you _ backlash. it has not really ended. even though you have _ backlash. it has not really ended. even though you have indicated? | even though you have indicated? yeah, overand even though you have indicated? yeah, over and over again, even though you have indicated? yeah, overand overagain, but there's still a section of the cricket community that has been pretty intense on making sure, in some people's words, that they get me back —— pretty intense. and has been frustrating, there are a lot of emotions, but i want to make sure i don't get dragged into that type of stuff, i want to make sure i can help us move forward, if i can do that in some capacity than that is what i want to do. but it is difficult because i am a human being with a family, and these constant attacks and death threats are starting to really affect us all. and when you look at what is happening here now, you have come back to face this, to see this, what

do you think is the root of this behaviour? and does tackling the rioting, as the police are trying to do, the government is trying to do, does that sort the problem? think it is important — does that sort the problem? think it is important to _ does that sort the problem? think it is important to understand - does that sort the problem? think it is important to understand how- does that sort the problem? think it is important to understand how we | is important to understand how we have got here. this is notjust happen overnight. this has been coming for a long time. leaders on both sides of the political spectrum, language has consequences, you know, we have had dehumanisation of people of colour for a very long time, which has now ended up spilling out on our streets. these are the foot soldiers. there are people way higher up and then i need to be held responsible, and that needs to be the start. for a start, we need to make sure that no more criminal damage, nobody is seriously hurt, then we need to make sure that those who are in positions of power realise how their words are played out, and then look at the underlying issue of how we have got here. and i think there are a lot of issues, but if you have issues, there is a

democratic way, there's a way you can bring it up. you don't go around targeting people, laces of worship, black and brown people, muslim people, just for their ethnicity. —— places of worship. it should not be legitimised with any excuse whatsoever.— legitimised with any excuse whatsoever. �* , whatsoever. azeem, please stay with us. let's bring in the rest of our panel, former conservative mp dame andrea jenkyns, and former labour mp sir ben bradshaw. what azeem is a is what many people are saying the last few days, people are saying the last few days, people are tracing a direct line from your government's rhetoric to what we are seeing in the streets, dehumanising asylum seekers leads to people setting fire to hotels with people inside. what do you make of that? people have short memories. 2001, bennett was probably in parliament at that—

bennett was probably in parliament at that time —— ben, and in america, george _ at that time —— ben, and in america, george floyd, — at that time —— ben, and in america, george floyd, we saw in france in 2023, _ george floyd, we saw in france in 2023, so — george floyd, we saw in france in 2023, so i — george floyd, we saw in france in 2023, so i am talking about... so ou're 2023, so i am talking about... you're saying 2023, so i am talking about... sr you're saying this 2023, so i am talking about... 5r you're saying this is nothing to do your government? it you're saying this is nothing to do your government?— you're saying this is nothing to do your government? if we are saying about language. — your government? if we are saying about language, look _ your government? if we are saying about language, look at _ your government? if we are saying about language, look at our - your government? if we are sayingj about language, look at our health secretary. — about language, look at our health secretary, what he said previously. he previously said he wanted, he tweeted — he previously said he wanted, he tweeted a — he previously said he wanted, he tweeted a vigilante organisation to throw_ tweeted a vigilante organisation to throw a _ tweeted a vigilante organisation to throw a dutch politician and a daily mailjournalist under a train. that hasn't led to _ mailjournalist under a train. that hasn't led to the _ mailjournalist under a train. that hasn't led to the riots. _ mailjournalist under a train. that hasn't led to the riots. no, - mailjournalist under a train. that hasn't led to the riots. no, i'm i hasn't led to the riots. no, i'm 'ust hasn't led to the riots. no, i'm just saying. — hasn't led to the riots. no, i'm just saying. if _ hasn't led to the riots. no, i'm just saying, if you're _ hasn't led to the riots. no, i'm just saying, if you're talking i hasn't led to the riots. no, i'm i just saying, if you're talking about your point — just saying, if you're talking about your point about language, you have to looh— your point about language, you have to look at _ your point about language, you have to look at both sides of the political— to look at both sides of the political spectrum.- to look at both sides of the political spectrum. let's look at our political spectrum. let's look at your side- _ political spectrum. let's look at your side- i _ political spectrum. let's look at your side. i think— political spectrum. let's look at your side. i think you _ political spectrum. let's look at your side. i think you said i political spectrum. let's look at| your side. i think you said illegal immigration represents an existential threat, your colleague suella braverman talked about an invasion of channel migrants, and you agreed with that language. it is inflammatory, isn't it? doesn't it

leave people thinking they are at war, and that takes them out onto the streets thinking that violence is justified? the streets thinking that violence is 'ustified? ., the streets thinking that violence is justified?— isjustified? no, because you are not livin: isjustified? no, because you are not living in _ isjustified? no, because you are not living in the _ isjustified? no, because you are not living in the northern - not living in the northern communities where they are, let's face it. _ communities where they are, let's face it. they— communities where they are, let's face it, they can't get housing. the housing _ face it, they can't get housing. the housing waiting list at the local council, — housing waiting list at the local council, they could be waiting three or four— council, they could be waiting three or four years to get a house, gp appointments, dentalappointments. i appointments, dental appointments. i have appointments, dentalappointments. i have no— appointments, dentalappointments. i have no problem with legal migration. our country is built on migration, — migration. our country is built on migration, and it is about having the right— migration, and it is about having the right skills for our economy, but at _ the right skills for our economy, but at the — the right skills for our economy, but at the end of the day, when our public— but at the end of the day, when our public services are stretched, we should _ public services are stretched, we should not— public services are stretched, we should not have an open door policy. but is _ should not have an open door policy. but is it_ should not have an open door policy. but is it not — should not have an open door policy. but is it not about the language used to that is the problem? the language used leads to violence. $5 language used leads to violence. as i said, we are talking about language in one particular realm of political— language in one particular realm of political parties of the spectrum, we need — political parties of the spectrum, we need to talk about the... i mean, look at _ we need to talk about the... i mean, look at the _ we need to talk about the... i mean, look at the deputy prime minister, what she _ look at the deputy prime minister, what she said about conservatives,

so, yes, _ what she said about conservatives, so, yes, i_ what she said about conservatives, so, yes, i know you're going to say it has— so, yes, i know you're going to say it has not— so, yes, i know you're going to say it has not necessarily lead to violence _ it has not necessarily lead to violence at this stage... it it has not necessarily lead to violence at this stage... it has not led to hotels _ violence at this stage... it has not led to hotels and _ violence at this stage... it has not led to hotels and police _ violence at this stage... it has not led to hotels and police stations l led to hotels and police stations being set on fire. we will come to policing, but i would love to get your reaction, ben bradshaw. i think first of all what _ your reaction, ben bradshaw. i think first of all what azeem _ your reaction, ben bradshaw. i think first of all what azeem had - your reaction, ben bradshaw. i think first of all what azeem had to i your reaction, ben bradshaw. i think first of all what azeem had to say i first of all what azeem had to say was incredibly depressing, we do still have an underlying insidious problem in this country with racism and with islamophobia. one of my main criticisms of the previous government is it was completely reluctant to talk about islamophobia, it almost completely ignored it, pretended that did not exist, and there was no such thing. it is better now, one or two of the conservative politicians, james cleverly has been quite balanced today, i think, cleverly has been quite balanced today, ithink, but cleverly has been quite balanced today, i think, but there is no doubt at all in my mind that azeem is right, which is that the language that politicians have used over the last few years has helped to ferment this problem. it is not the only cause, but everybody, politicians, media commentators, everybody else, need to be extremely careful about

the language they use, particularly in the current context. but the language they use, particularly in the current context.— in the current context. but it is also anti-semitism. _ in the current context. but it is also anti-semitism. i- in the current context. but it is also anti-semitism. i have i in the current context. but it is i also anti-semitism. i have jewish also anti—semitism. i havejewish friends _ also anti—semitism. i havejewish friends who, during the pro—palestinian lobbies of the marchers... it pro-palestinian lobbies of the marchers. . ._ pro-palestinian lobbies of the marchers. . . marchers... it is not either or. that is whataboutery. - marchers... it is not either or. that is whataboutery. your i that is whataboutery. your government talked about anti—semitism... government talked about anti-semitism. . .- government talked about anti-semitism. .. government talked about anti-semitism... ., . anti-semitism. .. labour never talks about anti-semitism. _ anti-semitism. .. labour never talks about anti-semitism. come - anti-semitism. .. labour never talks about anti-semitism. come on, i anti-semitism. .. labour never talks | about anti-semitism. come on, look at what keir— about anti-semitism. come on, look at what keir did. _ about anti-semitism. come on, look at what keir did. your _ about anti-semitism. come on, look at what keir did. your party - about anti-semitism. come on, look at what keir did. your party always i at what keir did. your party always give the appearance to be reluctant to talk about islamophobia and i think that has given it message. is that how you felt? listening i think that has given it message. is that how you felt? listening to i think that has given it message. is| that how you felt? listening to that was a snippet _ that how you felt? listening to that was a snippet of — that how you felt? listening to that was a snippet of the _ that how you felt? listening to that was a snippet of the problem. i that how you felt? listening to that was a snippet of the problem. why| was a snippet of the problem. why is it a sni et was a snippet of the problem. why is it a snippet of— was a snippet of the problem. why is it a snippet of the _ was a snippet of the problem. why is it a snippet of the problem _ was a snippet of the problem. why is it a snippet of the problem when i i it a snippet of the problem when i have _ it a snippet of the problem when i have jewish friends whose schools were getting attacked? | have jewish friends whose schools were getting attacked? i was talking about the initial _ were getting attacked? i was talking about the initial first _ were getting attacked? i was talking about the initial first bit. _ were getting attacked? i was talking about the initial first bit. i _ were getting attacked? i was talking about the initial first bit. i am i about the initial first bit. i am sa in: i about the initial first bit. i am saying i think _ about the initial first bit. i am saying i think it _ about the initial first bit. i am saying i think it is _ about the initial first bit. i am saying i think it is wrong, i i about the initial first bit. i am saying i think it is wrong, i said even _ saying i think it is wrong, i said even during the just stop oil protests, anything where it is criminal— protests, anything where it is criminal damage, i don't care what criminal damage, idon't care what section— criminal damage, idon't care what section of—

criminal damage, i don't care what section of society, they need a and they need — section of society, they need a and they need locking up. sol section of society, they need a and they need locking up. so i want to see a _ they need locking up. so i want to see a fair— they need locking up. so i want to see a fair system throughout policing _ see a fair system throughout olicinu. , ,., , policing. the first point, in terms of housing _ policing. the first point, in terms of housing and _ policing. the first point, in terms of housing and stuff— policing. the first point, in terms of housing and stuff like - policing. the first point, in terms of housing and stuff like that, i policing. the first point, in terms. of housing and stuff like that, they were in power, that is the first thing. and anyway, what andrewjust said... but thing. and anyway, what andrew 'ust said... �* . . , , thing. and anyway, what andrew 'ust said... �* . ., ,., said... but i criticise my own government. _ said... but i criticise my own government. are _ said... but i criticise my own government. are you - said... but i criticise my own. government. are you blaming said... but i criticise my own i government. are you blaming that said... but i criticise my own - government. are you blaming that on all the immigrants? _ government. are you blaming that on all the immigrants? you _ government. are you blaming that on all the immigrants? you were - government. are you blaming that on all the immigrants? you were in i all the immigrants? you were in power, you caused that. i have lived in one of those hotels when i first moved to this country, legally, but i love them and of those hotels, and when that hotel yesterday was set on fire, summary could have died —— i lived in one of those hotels —— somebody could have died. on the islamophobia, i would go further than that. it was notjust not talked about, it was encouraged, it was green—lighted, and it was endorsed, and that is what we are seeing play out now. and we have to live with the consequences of their language. it plays out in our

communities, in our streets, language. it plays out in our communities, in ourstreets, in language. it plays out in our communities, in our streets, in our workplaces. those foot soldiers who are out there now doing what they are, tomorrow on a monday morning, tuesday morning, they are at work colleagues, our bosses, our cricket team mates. that is what we have to deal with, and to not accept that we have got here because of the language of the leaders, i think thatis language of the leaders, i think that is a worrying point. with; language of the leaders, i think that is a worrying point. why not recall parliament? _ that is a worrying point. why not recall parliament? that - that is a worrying point. why not recall parliament? that is i that is a worrying point. why not recall parliament? that is what i recall parliament? that is what diane abbott, nigel farage, priti patel, they are also in, why not recall parliament?— patel, they are also in, why not recall parliament? there might be an araument recall parliament? there might be an argument for— recall parliament? there might be an argument for recalling _ recall parliament? there might be an argument for recalling parliament i recall parliament? there might be an argument for recalling parliament at| argument for recalling parliament at some stage, but i think the important thing now, keir starmer for a start is not a performative politician, we have had enough of performative politics, but something happens and people say, we must do something, let's recall parliament. the absolute priority is to get order back on our streets, to get these thugs into court and sent to jail. it is already happening, it is happening fast, and i am hopeful that when we see some of these people before courts bursting into

tears and calling for their mothers when they come down off that cocaine and alcohol fuels, that will send out a message, and they will come down. you recall parliament, if you need to pass legislation or if you need to pass legislation or if you need parliament to agree to something. police say they have the powers, the government has made quite clear that the government will give them all of the resources they need. ~ . ., ,. , need. what i need to scrutinise the government? _ need. what i need to scrutinise the government? -- _ need. what i need to scrutinise the government? -- what _ need. what i need to scrutinise the government? -- what if— need. what i need to scrutinise the government? -- what if they i need. what i need to scrutinise the government? -- what if they need | need. what i need to scrutinise the i government? -- what if they need to? government? —— what if they need to? we call for the russian invasion of ukraine _ we call for the russian invasion of ukraine as — we call for the russian invasion of ukraine as well, and i think that was right, — ukraine as well, and i think that was right, and we should recall that now _ was right, and we should recall that now -- _ was right, and we should recall that now -- we — was right, and we should recall that now. —— we recalled for the russian invasion _ now. —— we recalled for the russian invasion. when something like this is happening, people need to be back in parliament scrutinising what is going _ in parliament scrutinising what is going on — in parliament scrutinising what is going on it— in parliament scrutinising what is auoin on. , . in parliament scrutinising what is auoin on. ,., , going on. it is a complete red herrin: going on. it is a complete red herring recalling _ going on. it is a complete red herring recalling parliament. | going on. it is a complete red i herring recalling parliament. what matters is that the police have the resources to take action. there are lots of opportunities to put ministers under scrutiny. keir

starmer has done interviews, yvette cooper has done interviews, they are out there all the time doing the very importantjob of reassuring the community who feel very under threat. ., ., �* ., ., threat. on that, i don't have a view because i threat. on that, i don't have a view because i don't— threat. on that, i don't have a view because i don't understand - threat. on that, i don't have a view because i don't understand the i because i don't understand the politics— because i don't understand the politics side _ because i don't understand the politics side of— because i don't understand the politics side of it, _ because i don't understand the politics side of it, but - because i don't understand the politics side of it, but right- because i don't understand the| politics side of it, but right now the most — politics side of it, but right now the most important _ politics side of it, but right now the most important thing - politics side of it, but right nowl the most important thing should politics side of it, but right now- the most important thing should be trying _ the most important thing should be trying to— the most important thing should be trying to keep — the most important thing should be trying to keep everyone _ the most important thing should be trying to keep everyone safe. - the most important thing should be trying to keep everyone safe. find i | trying to keep everyone safe. and i am sure you _ trying to keep everyone safe. and i am sure you would _ trying to keep everyone safe. and i am sure you would all _ trying to keep everyone safe. and i am sure you would all agree i trying to keep everyone safe. and i am sure you would all agree on i trying to keep everyone safe.- am sure you would all agree on that. one person who doesn't seem to be scrutinising keir starmer is elon musk. let's have a look at some tweets, a series of tweets, we had elon musk first of all talking about britain at saint civil war is inevitable —— who doesn't seem to be scrutinising keir starmer. —— who does. the tech billionaire elon musk comes back and, should you not be concerned about a tax on all communities? what is your reaction

to that, andrea? i communities? what is your reaction to that, andrea?— to that, andrea? i don't know what the background _ to that, andrea? i don't know what the background is _ to that, andrea? i don't know what the background is to _ to that, andrea? i don't know what the background is to elon - to that, andrea? i don't know what the background is to elon musk, i the background is to elon musk, is he getting — the background is to elon musk, is he getting his data, but... he is talkin: he getting his data, but... he is talking about — he getting his data, but... he is talking about war. _ he getting his data, but... he is talking about war. i _ he getting his data, but... he is talking about war. i agree i he getting his data, but... he is talking about war. i agree with l he getting his data, but... he is. talking about war. i agree with his second statement _ talking about war. i agree with his second statement that _ talking about war. i agree with his second statement that all - second statement that all communities matter, and this was my whole _ communities matter, and this was my whole point _ communities matter, and this was my whole point about also the jewish community and police were stood around _ community and police were stood around when there was projection hatred _ around when there was projection hatred on— around when there was projection hatred on big ben. but around when there was pro'ection hatred on big ben.i hatred on big ben. but the jewish community _ hatred on big ben. but the jewish community is— hatred on big ben. but the jewish community is not _ hatred on big ben. but the jewish community is not being _ community is not being attacked right now on our streets. are you saying keir starmer does not lam i am saying his bracket so far got back— i am saying his bracket so far got back his — i am saying his bracket so far got back his rhetoric should be about keeping — back his rhetoric should be about keeping children safe. i have got a seven—year—old child and i sent him on saturday— seven—year—old child and i sent him on saturday to give the clubs, and i think— on saturday to give the clubs, and i think his _ on saturday to give the clubs, and i think his rhetoric should have been actually— think his rhetoric should have been actually reassure every parent, every _ actually reassure every parent, every community.— actually reassure every parent, every community. right now we are talkin: every community. right now we are talking about _ every community. right now we are talking about what _ every community. right now we are talking about what is _ every community. right now we are talking about what is happening i every community. right now we are talking about what is happening on |

talking about what is happening on the streets. i talking about what is happening on the streets. ~' ., ~ n' talking about what is happening on the streets. ~ ., ~ ,~' ., the streets. i think elon musk for the streets. i think elon musk for the comments _ the streets. i think elon musk for the comments were _ the streets. i think elon musk for the comments were an _ the streets. i think elon musk for the comments were an absolutel the comments were an absolute disgrace and edge of the challenge that governments all over the world have with this problem of social media. we have the rink of this violet tweaking from his sunbed from his multi—billion pound holiday in cyprus citing this violence. it is really hard for people to do anything about it. that is the other thing we have to tackle, notjust the thugs on the street, the folks behind the computers, the keyboard warriors who are fermenting this violence. keir starmer was clear about that. we violence. keir starmer was clear about that-— violence. keir starmer was clear about that. ~ ., ., . about that. we also need to catch real criminals. _ about that. we also need to catch real criminals. what _ about that. we also need to catch real criminals. what would i about that. we also need to catch real criminals. what would make | about that. we also need to catch i real criminals. what would make you and yourfamily real criminals. what would make you and your family reassured?— and your family reassured? firstly, the are and your family reassured? firstly, they are real— and your family reassured? firstly, they are real criminals. _ and your family reassured? firstly, they are real criminals. social- they are real criminals. social media, — they are real criminals. social media, eton _ they are real criminals. social media, elon musk, _ they are real criminals. social media, elon musk, that - they are real criminals. social media, elon musk, that will. they are real criminals. social. media, elon musk, that will play they are real criminals. social- media, elon musk, that will play out and that— media, elon musk, that will play out and that could — media, elon musk, that will play out and that could end _ media, elon musk, that will play out and that could end up— media, elon musk, that will play out and that could end up with _ media, elon musk, that will play out and that could end up with people i and that could end up with people dying, _ and that could end up with people dying, that — and that could end up with people dying, that is _ and that could end up with people dying, that is the _ and that could end up with people dying, that is the reality- and that could end up with people dying, that is the reality of- and that could end up with people dying, that is the reality of it. i dying, that is the reality of it. social— dying, that is the reality of it. social media, _ dying, that is the reality of it. social media, if _ dying, that is the reality of it. social media, if it _ dying, that is the reality of it. social media, if it is- dying, that is the reality of it. social media, if it is him i dying, that is the reality of it. social media, if it is him or. social media, if it is him or whoever— social media, if it is him or whoever owns _ social media, if it is him or whoever owns it, _ social media, if it is him or whoever owns it, and - social media, if it is him or whoever owns it, and a i social media, if it is him or whoever owns it, and a bigj social media, if it is him or- whoever owns it, and a big way. at

the minute — whoever owns it, and a big way. at the minute communities— whoever owns it, and a big way. at the minute communities are - whoever owns it, and a big way. at| the minute communities are fearful because _ the minute communities are fearful because in— the minute communities are fearful because in the _ the minute communities are fearful because in the end _ the minute communities are fearful because in the end of— the minute communities are fearful because in the end of the _ the minute communities are fearful because in the end of the racist, i because in the end of the racist, when _ because in the end of the racist, when they— because in the end of the racist, when they come, _ because in the end of the racist, when they come, they _ because in the end of the racist, when they come, they don't i because in the end of the racist, when they come, they don't see| because in the end of the racist, i when they come, they don't see any difference — when they come, they don't see any difference. black, _ when they come, they don't see any difference. black, brown, _ when they come, they don't see any difference. black, brown, muslim, i difference. black, brown, muslim, jewish— difference. black, brown, muslim, jewish people. _ difference. black, brown, muslim, jewish people. they— difference. black, brown, muslim, jewish people, they will— difference. black, brown, muslim, jewish people, they will go- difference. black, brown, muslim, jewish people, they will go for- jewish people, they will go for everything _ jewish people, they will go for everything they— jewish people, they will go for everything they can _ jewish people, they will go for everything they can go - jewish people, they will go for everything they can go for. i jewish people, they will go for. everything they can go for. the? everything they can go for. they should be arrested, _ everything they can go for. should be arrested, clearly. everything they can go for.— should be arrested, clearly. anybody causing _ should be arrested, clearly. anybody causing hatred like that should be arrested — causing hatred like that should be arrested. it could happen over the next few _ arrested. it could happen over the next few days. whatever community, if there _ next few days. whatever community, if there is _ next few days. whatever community, if there is a _ next few days. whatever community, if there is a and violence, whatever community, — if there is a and violence, whatever community, they should be arrested. please _ community, they should be arrested. please stay— community, they should be arrested. please stay there because i want to look at. earlier, i spoke to mark webtser, chief constable at cleveland police which has seen disoder in hartlepool and middlesbrough in recent days. over the past few days we have had serious disorder in hartlepool and middlesbrough and that was unacceptable for our area of the country and very worrying. it has required a very strong commitment from our officers and it has been

stressful and difficult for them, but they have performed absolutely brilliantly. in but they have performed absolutely brilliantl . , ., ., brilliantly. in terms of what happened _ brilliantly. in terms of what happened to _ brilliantly. in terms of what happened to your— brilliantly. in terms of what happened to your offices, l brilliantly. in terms of what i happened to your offices, have brilliantly. in terms of what - happened to your offices, have you sustained any injuries? brute happened to your offices, have you sustained any injuries?— happened to your offices, have you sustained any injuries? sustained any in'uries? we have had 30 in'uries sustained any injuries? we have had 30 injuries today _ sustained any injuries? we have had 30 injuries today and _ sustained any injuries? we have had 30 injuries today and thankfully i sustained any injuries? we have had 30 injuries today and thankfully all. 30 injuries today and thankfully all the officers will be ok but they don't come to work to face that. they put themselves in harm's way. when it comes to what has been going on and the people behind it, having been consulting special branch or counterterrorism policing are pleased that the possible involvement of domestic extremists involvement of domestic extremists in the violence? we involvement of domestic extremists in the violence?— involvement of domestic extremists in the violence? we have got access to all sorts — in the violence? we have got access to all sorts of _ in the violence? we have got access to all sorts of intelligence _ in the violence? we have got access to all sorts of intelligence tools i to all sorts of intelligence tools and lots of support. we have arrested 65 people so far, so it is arrested 65 people so far, so it is a very big number. for the majority of those people are local and baltic addresses of the people have arrested are within the area. we see

arrested are within the area. we see a lot of stuff online and a lot of investigative work and we talk to other people about that as well. tiara other people about that as well. two eo - le, other people about that as well. two --eole, a other people about that as well. two people. a man _ other people about that as well. two people, a man and a woman, were arrested for the hartlepool disorder, before the violence began last wednesday. your first described as a suspected organiser. what intelligence did you have in advance about those involved in the process? forget quite a lot of information passed through to us and the community themselves are very concerned, so they will see things and we do a lot of work online and with social media is good to see if there an opportunity to pre—empt. in those instances, and in middlesbrough yesterday, we took decisions to proactively arrest people before some of the issue that developed. we can also go into a phase very strongly during disorder for vigorous people on the scene as well. ~ . , ,. for vigorous people on the scene as well. ~ . , ., well. what is your message tonight to eo - le

well. what is your message tonight to people who _ well. what is your message tonight to people who may _ well. what is your message tonight to people who may be _ well. what is your message tonight i to people who may be contemplating further disorder this week? there are 65 people _ further disorder this week? there are 65 people in _ further disorder this week? there are 65 people in our— further disorder this week? there are 65 people in our around i further disorder this week? tues are 65 people in our around that disorder and a number of them have been charged in some advantage. we have got a lot of very good detective work going on identifying people. my message to you is if you are involved, you will hear a knock on the door. there will be consequences to your actions. chief constable, mark _ consequences to your actions. chief constable, mark webster, people and please, thank you very much. joining us on the sofa is dal babu, former chief supeintendent at the metropolitan police. thank you for coming on newsnight. accordingly. when you are at the met during the 2011 riots. can you paint a picture of how difficult these kind of events are for the police? they are incredibly difficult and the internet was not at the level it was now, so people had blackberry messaging. we were able to speak to

these companies and speak for them to try and ensure messaging was switched off, so you have more control. i am really struck about how much of this organisation is now done on the internet. x, telegram. what is worrying is that up until recently before elon musk took over, a lot of the racist homophobes and misogynists were not allowed more than they were kicked off and they have no comeback.— have no comeback. robinson was takin: have no comeback. robinson was taking off- _ have no comeback. robinson was taking off- he _ have no comeback. robinson was taking off. he has _ have no comeback. robinson was taking off. he has 800,000 - taking off. he has 800,000 followers. he taking off. he has 800,000 followers-— taking off. he has 800,000 followers. . ., . taking off. he has 800,000 followers. ., ., . ., followers. he has had an increase of 200,000 followers _ followers. he has had an increase of 200,000 followers in _ followers. he has had an increase of 200,000 followers in the _ followers. he has had an increase of 200,000 followers in the last i followers. he has had an increase of 200,000 followers in the last so i 200,000 followers in the last 30 days. people are identifying individuals like tommy robinson and sitting in a multimillion pound house injuring himself and directing the writing. i house injuring himself and directing the writina. ~ ,., . house injuring himself and directing the writina. ~ . ., the writing. i think the police have the writing. i think the police have the riaht the writing. i think the police have the right resources _ the writing. i think the police have the right resources to _ the writing. i think the police have the right resources to do - the writing. i think the police have the right resources to do with - the writing. i think the police have the right resources to do with it i the right resources to do with it now? ., , , now? even though it is different from 2011? _ now? even though it is different from 2011? since _ now? even though it is different from 2011? since then _ now? even though it is different from 2011? since then have - now? even though it is different from 2011? since then have a i

from 2011? since then have a reduction of 20,000 police officers and 80,500 staff. there is recruitment at the moment so a lot of the peace forces up and the country experience and many have less than five years programming experience and that presents challenges as well. listening to mark webster we should all feel very confident the piece will be on top of this. they are saying the right things and bring the right things, which is going after the writer, locking them up, bringing them to justice. locking them up, bringing them to 'ustice. ~ ., ., , , ., , locking them up, bringing them to 'ustice. ~ ., ., , , . justice. who are these people? when ou look at justice. who are these people? when you look at the _ justice. who are these people? when you look at the profile _ justice. who are these people? when you look at the profile is _ justice. who are these people? when you look at the profile is an _ you look at the profile is an ideological, opportunistic, recreational? what is it? it is ideological, opportunistic, recreational? what is it? it is on the periphery — recreational? what is it? it is on the periphery and because - recreational? what is it? it is on the periphery and because a - recreational? what is it? it is on the periphery and because a lot| recreational? what is it? it is on i the periphery and because a lot of problems as well. but then you have got the hard core of english defence league and organisations linked to those right—wing, racist groups. what you are seeing if, god forbid they go into any of these hostels or hotels, you could have had a lynching. they were out for blood.

there were children, women, vulnerable people in those hostels and they were setting them on fire. which takes me back to the question at the top of the programme, is enough being done to keep us safe? i have been involved in dealing with riots from the 1980s, what happens is there is a period when the police are trying to get resources into the right place. we should have confidence in the prime minister who is talking about having a standing army of police officers that will be mobile. i think your graphic shows were all these events are taking place. to begin with, there is always a challenge. but once the police start arresting people and putting them before courts, people can anticipate severe sentences. i think the public want that. it will act as a deterrent. i think the public want that. it will act as a deterrent.— think the public want that. it will act as a deterrent. i would like to talk to the _ act as a deterrent. i would like to talk to the rest _ act as a deterrent. i would like to talk to the rest of _ act as a deterrent. i would like to talk to the rest of the _ act as a deterrent. i would like to talk to the rest of the pan. - act as a deterrent. i would like to talk to the rest of the pan. i - act as a deterrent. i would like to l talk to the rest of the pan. i would like to break up first something that nigel farage has said today. i think we can see it on the screen.

you put him on your capaign literature. do you agree with him on this? ido i do believe it is your pc. why? i will uive i do believe it is your pc. why? i will give examples. _ i do believe it is your pc. why? i will give examples. nigel- i do believe it is your pc. why? i - will give examples. nigel mentioned the blm. he leads the police were still around our beautiful queen victoria statue was being damaged and how did the labour council do with it? , i and how did the labour council do with it? y . ., , ., with it? they decided to put it out to tender to _ with it? they decided to put it out to tender to see _ with it? they decided to put it out to tender to see if _ with it? they decided to put it out to tender to see if her— with it? they decided to put it out to tender to see if her stature - with it? they decided to put it out to tender to see if her stature is l to tender to see if her stature is taking — to tender to see if her stature is takina. ~ to tender to see if her stature is takin~.~ �* to tender to see if her stature is takina. ~ �* i, to tender to see if her stature is takina. ~ u, �* ., i, to tender to see if her stature is takina. ~ i i, �* i, i, taking. we can't equate that with burnina taking. we can't equate that with burning hotels — taking. we can't equate that with burning hotels with _ taking. we can't equate that with burning hotels with asylum - taking. we can't equate that with l burning hotels with asylum seekers in it. i, , burning hotels with asylum seekers in it. i, burning hotels with asylum seekers init. i,

in it. can i say the way you suggested _ in it. can i say the way you suggested there,, - in it. can i say the way you suggested there,, it - in it. can i say the way you suggested there,, it is - in it. can i say the way you - suggested there,, it is abhorrent what _ suggested there,, it is abhorrent what has — suggested there,, it is abhorrent what has happened today and the scene _ what has happened today and the scene about hotels. i am, but i don't _ scene about hotels. i am, but i don't want _ scene about hotels. i am, but i don't want anybody being hurt from whatever _ don't want anybody being hurt from whatever community. let me say that firstlx _ whatever community. let me say that firstlx but _ whatever community. let me say that firstlx but i_ whatever community. let me say that firstly. but i think it actually demonstrates the proper strategies. forgive _ demonstrates the proper strategies. forgive me, kate, but when i set about_ forgive me, kate, but when i set about the — forgive me, kate, but when i set about the health secretary saying about _ about the health secretary saying about throwing somebody under a train who— about throwing somebody under a train who said that has not led to violence — train who said that has not led to violence on — train who said that has not led to violence on the streets, but does that make — violence on the streets, but does that make it right? what is the difference between nigel saying that and the _ difference between nigel saying that and the health secretary saying something about throwing a daily mailjournalist under a train? i�*m mailjournalist under a train? i'm askin: mailjournalist under a train? i'm asking you. _ mailjournalist under a train? i�*m asking you, kate. though, is the reality? i asking you, kate. though, is the reali ? i, , i, ~ i, reality? i am shocked that andrea talks like that. — reality? i am shocked that andrea talks like that. i— reality? i am shocked that andrea talks like that. i just _ talks like that. i 'ust flabbergasted. h talks like that. ijust flabbergasted. it - talks like that. ijust flabbergasted. it is. talks like that. i just - flabbergasted. it is double standards.— flabbergasted. it is double standards. , i, standards. let me respond to you, lease. standards. let me respond to you, please- with _ standards. let me respond to you, please. with all _ standards. let me respond to you, please. with all due _ standards. let me respond to you, please. with all due respect, - standards. let me respond to you, please. with all due respect, it - standards. let me respond to you, please. with all due respect, it is. please. with all due respect, it is unbelievable that our parents somebody putting a bit of paint on a

bit of pain, stature a stretcher with somebody trying to attack and burning i am talking about both issues and there is not the definition of islamophobia. the government refused to have a definition of islamophobia. let me finish, please. i definition of islamophobia. let me finish. please-— finish, please. i would ask you a question. _ finish, please. i would ask you a question. i— finish, please. i would ask you a question. i am _ finish, please. i would ask you a question, i am quite _ finish, please. i would ask you a question, i am quite interested. j finish, please. i would ask you a - question, i am quite interested. the question, i am quite interested. government question, lam quite interested. iie: government has question, lam quite interested. tie: government has focused question, lam quite interested. “iie: government has focused on anti—semitism, quite rightly. there is a definition for anti—semitism, but your government refused time after time after time to even have the definition of islamophobia. what we have seen, is playing out now is the hate from people like suella braverman, from nigel farage, all of that. suella braverman said the police have favoured demonstrations, they have focused more on the right wing and left—wing. we can see what the right are doing now. i was wing and left-wing. we can see what the right are doing now.— the right are doing now. i was in leeds and _ the right are doing now. i was in leeds and up — the right are doing now. i was in leeds and up until _ the right are doing now. i was in leeds and up until recently. -

the right are doing now. i was in| leeds and up until recently. why the right are doing now. i was in i leeds and up until recently. why in here feels— leeds and up until recently. why in here feels that the police act an rentedvm — here feels that the police act an remedy... ? there were burning buses _ remedy... ? there were burning buses to— remedy... ? there were burning buses. to say about the statues, but there _ buses. to say about the statues, but there were _ buses. to say about the statues, but there were burning buses. i had fornrer— there were burning buses. i had former constituents contact me because they were with friends who live there — because they were with friends who live there. , i, , i, , , live there. they did not burn a bus? that is rrot — live there. they did not burn a bus? that is not true. _ live there. they did not burn a bus? that is not true. they _ live there. they did not burn a bus? that is not true. they acted - live there. they did not burn a bus? that is not true. they acted at - live there. they did not burn a bus? that is not true. they acted at one | that is not true. they acted at one o'clock in the _ that is not true. they acted at one o'clock in the morning. _ that is not true. they acted at one o'clock in the morning. they - that is not true. they acted at one o'clock in the morning. they are i o'clock in the morning. they are doinu o'clock in the morning. they are doin: the o'clock in the morning. they are doing the same. _ o'clock in the morning. they are doing the same. the _ o'clock in the morning. they are doing the same. the piece - o'clock in the morning. they are doing the same. the piece did l o'clock in the morning. they are l doing the same. the piece did not have the resources and image they could put it straightaway, they had to get the resources in place and then they acted very robustly, quite ragged, i guess the people who perpetrated that. hate ragged, i guess the people who perpetrated that.— ragged, i guess the people who perpetrated that. we need to tackle it instantl . perpetrated that. we need to tackle it instantly. we _ perpetrated that. we need to tackle it instantly. we have _ perpetrated that. we need to tackle it instantly. we have a _ perpetrated that. we need to tackle it instantly. we have a system - perpetrated that. we need to tackle it instantly. we have a system in . it instantly. we have a system in this country _ it instantly. we have a system in this country and _ it instantly. we have a system in this country and keir— it instantly. we have a system in this country and keir starmer- it instantly. we have a system in i this country and keir starmer made this country and keir starmer made this point today— this country and keir starmer made this point today when _ this country and keir starmer made this point today when he _ this country and keir starmer made this point today when he was - this country and keir starmer made this point today when he was asked this point today when he was asked this question — this point today when he was asked this question. ridiculous— this point today when he was askedj this question. ridiculous conspiracy theories _ this question. ridiculous conspiracy theories being _ this question. ridiculous conspiracy theories being spread _ this question. ridiculous conspiracy theories being spread by— this question. ridiculous conspiracy theories being spread by nigel- theories being spread by nigel farage — theories being spread by nigel farage and _ theories being spread by nigel farage and others, _ theories being spread by nigel farage and others, dog - theories being spread by nigell

farage and others, dog whistle theories being spread by nigel- farage and others, dog whistle stop, a two _ farage and others, dog whistle stop, a two tier— farage and others, dog whistle stop, a two tier pricing _ farage and others, dog whistle stop, a two tier pricing system. _ farage and others, dog whistle stop, a two tier pricing system. he - farage and others, dog whistle stop, a two tier pricing system. he said - a two tier pricing system. he said the police — a two tier pricing system. he said the police in _ a two tier pricing system. he said the police in this— a two tier pricing system. he said the police in this country- a two tier pricing system. he said the police in this country police i the police in this country police without — the police in this country police without fear _ the police in this country police without fear or— the police in this country police without fear or favour - the police in this country police without fear or favour and - the police in this country police without fear or favour and the i without fear or favour and the problem — without fear or favour and the problem has _ without fear or favour and the problem has been _ without fear or favour and the problem has been politiciansl without fear or favour and the i problem has been politicians two rhetoric — problem has been politicians two rhetoric and _ problem has been politicians two rhetoric and the _ problem has been politicians two rhetoric and the failure _ problem has been politicians two rhetoric and the failure to - problem has been politicians two rhetoric and the failure to tackle | rhetoric and the failure to tackle the underlying _ rhetoric and the failure to tackle the underlying causes _ rhetoric and the failure to tackle the underlying causes that - rhetoric and the failure to tackle the underlying causes that have| rhetoric and the failure to tackle i the underlying causes that have led to this _ the underlying causes that have led to this what — the underlying causes that have led to this. what we _ the underlying causes that have led to this. what we are _ the underlying causes that have led to this. what we are seeing - the underlying causes that have led to this. what we are seeing now- the underlying causes that have led to this. what we are seeing now isi the underlying causes that have ledl to this. what we are seeing now is a very good _ to this. what we are seeing now is a very good response _ to this. what we are seeing now is a very good response from _ to this. what we are seeing now is a very good response from the - to this. what we are seeing now is a very good response from the piece, | very good response from the piece, it has— very good response from the piece, it has been— very good response from the piece, it has been very— very good response from the piece, it has been very fast, _ very good response from the piece, it has been very fast, the _ very good response from the piece, it has been very fast, the course . it has been very fast, the course are working _ it has been very fast, the course are working around _ it has been very fast, the course are working around the - it has been very fast, the course are working around the clock, i it has been very fast, the course i are working around the clock, those are working around the clock, those are the _ are working around the clock, those are the people _ are working around the clock, those are the people we _ are working around the clock, those are the people we should _ are working around the clock, those are the people we should be - are the people we should be supported _ are the people we should be supported in— are the people we should be supported in this _ are the people we should be supported in this context i are the people we should bei supported in this context and are the people we should be i supported in this context and not listening — supported in this context and not listening to — supported in this context and not listening to blowhards _ supported in this context and not listening to blowhards like - supported in this context and not listening to blowhards like nigell listening to blowhards like nigel farage — listening to blowhards like nigel faraae. i. . listening to blowhards like nigel faraae. i, , i, listening to blowhards like nigel farate, i,, i, listening to blowhards like nigel faraae. i, , i, farage. has the government too slow this? james — farage. has the government too slow this? james cleverly _ farage. has the government too slow this? james cleverly said _ farage. has the government too slow this? james cleverly said the - this? james cleverly said the government should have been called out earlier. the government should have been called out earlier. i. i government should have been called out earlier. i, i i, out earlier. the fact that cuba didn't wait _ out earlier. the fact that cuba didn't wait until _ out earlier. the fact that cuba didn't wait until today - out earlier. the fact that cuba didn't wait until today could . out earlier. the fact that cuba i didn't wait until today could not stop the — didn't wait until today could not stop the peace _ didn't wait until today could not stop the peace take _ didn't wait until today could not stop the peace take a _ didn't wait until today could not stop the peace take a very i didn't wait until today could not i stop the peace take a very credible and effective — stop the peace take a very credible and effective response. _ stop the peace take a very credible and effective response. i— stop the peace take a very crediblel and effective response. i remember not so _ and effective response. i remember not so long — and effective response. i remember not so long ago _ and effective response. i remember not so long ago when _ and effective response. i remember not so long ago when we _ and effective response. i remember not so long ago when we had - and effective response. i remember not so long ago when we had to i and effective response. i remember| not so long ago when we had to four or five _ not so long ago when we had to four or five weeks — not so long ago when we had to four or five weeks for— not so long ago when we had to four or five weeks for boris _ not so long ago when we had to four or five weeks for boris johnson i not so long ago when we had to four or five weeks for boris johnson to i or five weeks for boris johnson to build _ or five weeks for boris johnson to build a _ or five weeks for boris johnson to build a cobra _ or five weeks for boris johnson to build a cobra meeting. _ or five weeks for boris johnson to build a cobra meeting. it - or five weeks for boris johnson to build a cobra meeting. it is - or five weeks for boris johnson to| build a cobra meeting. it is useful in circumstances, _ build a cobra meeting. it is useful in circumstances, but _ build a cobra meeting. it is useful in circumstances, but not - build a cobra meeting. it is useful in circumstances, but not at - build a cobra meeting. it is useful in circumstances, but not at the l in circumstances, but not at the beginning — in circumstances, but not at the beginning of— in circumstances, but not at the beginning of the _ in circumstances, but not at the beginning of the rights. - in circumstances, but not at the beginning of the rights. for- in circumstances, but not at the i beginning of the rights. for them to eat to _ beginning of the rights. for them to eat to bring — beginning of the rights. for them to eat to bring all— beginning of the rights. for them to eat to bring all the _ beginning of the rights. for them to eat to bring all the strands - eat to bring all the strands

together— eat to bring all the strands together when— eat to bring all the strands together when things i eat to bring all the strandsj together when things need coordinating. _ together when things need coordinating. weakness. together when things need l coordinating. weakness has together when things need - coordinating. weakness has been sequenced — coordinating. weakness has been sequenced by— coordinating. weakness has been sequenced by the _ coordinating. weakness has been sequenced by the government i coordinating. weakness has beeni sequenced by the government has