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and we will stop that. the police will be there to respond to any violence and criminality that we see on our streets. there is no place for that on our uk streets and the police will do theirjob they have done exceptionally well over very difficult circumstances. this is a multicultural community, full of diversity, and they say that| needs to be celebrated. and the people who took part in that disorder on sunday don't represent i the values or the feelings - of the people who live here in this part of south yorkshire. the uk's most senior police officer says thousands of police are on the streets tonight — many of them sent to protect immigration lawyers and specialists who are being targeted by rioters. around 100 far right demonstrations are due to take place —
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as well as up to 30 counter protests. we'll have the very latest. more than 400 people have been arrested since the riots started a week ago. three men who took part in that initial violence were sent to jail today for up to three years. the first riots, last week, followed the fatal stabbings of three little girls at a dance studio in southport. today the inquests into their deaths were opened and adjourned. some 6,000 riot police are braced for more violent unrest around the uk tonight — with far right groups planning to converge around premises including asylum centres and specialist immigration law firms. counter—protests are already taking place across the uk — this is the scene in walthamstow tonight with a large police presence. many shops and firms have closed down in anticipation
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of trouble tonight, some businesses have been boarded up and shops have pulled down their shutters. it comes as a string of tough sentences have been handed down to people already convicted of rioting over the last few days: the first was a 58—year—old man, jailed for three years for violent disorder during the unrest in southport last week. the prime minister said the sentences show that rioters will �*face the full force of the law'. meanwhile the metropolitan police commissioner sir mark rowley says police commanders have changed tactics in the last couple of days, not only deploying more officers, but stationing them at key strategtic locations across they country so they can respond to trouble with greater agility. from liverpool here's dominic casciani. a week of violence and now the wheels ofjustice
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visibly turning, swiftly, for the first three men to be jailed for violent disorder. three years for derek drummond. 30 months for declan geiran. and 20 months for liam riley. last week, they'd attacked their communities. on monday, they admitted their crimes and today, at liverpool crown court, they faced the consequences. derek drummond joined the 1,000—strong mob that marched on southport�*s mosque last tuesday. he attacked police as they battled to contain the violence. declan geiranjoined a gang in liverpool last saturday. he set fire to a police van and watched it burn. elsewhere in the city the same day, liam riley was among 100 people advancing on police as some threw rocks and bricks. an officer grappled him to the ground. riley, who was clearly drunk, shouted that he was a "traitor" and "muslim lover". today, thejudge said the disorder had been the most foul and racist abuse.
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"this was not mindless thuggery. "you and every other defendant i am dealing with today made a choice to get involved," he said. the three men sentenced today are the tip of the iceberg, and just the start of what will be a very painful process for many who foolishly chose to involve themselves in violent unrest. many of those involved will be sent to prison for a long time. riley, drummond and geiran mistakenly thought they would escape justice. they now face an extended period of time behind bars, and their criminal convictions will stay with them forever. but how many will be deterred? police chiefs spent today preparing for up to 100 far—right gatherings across england, some claiming they will target immigration lawyers and refugee support centres. 6,000 riot—trained officers are on standby, under a national mobilisation plan last used to end riots in 2011. we've changed our tactics in the last couple of days. so, besides marshaling more officers, we are brigading some
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of them at key strategic locations across the country, to give us more agility to respond to over the protests are most intense, so that we can respond with agility and show overwhelming force, so the criminals and thugs on the streets don't succeed. i know the public will be feeling anxious about the reports of potential more unrest tonight. but the police will be there to respond to any violence and criminality that we see on our streets. there is no place for that on uk streets, and the police will do theirjob, like they have done exceptionally well, under very difficult circumstances, like i've seen here and witnessed today what they faced. tonight, some premises are taking no chances. additional security in place, staff safely at home, waiting to see what might come. let's bring you the latest on what is happening _ let's bring you the latest on what is happening tonight— let's bring you the latest on what is happening tonight and - let's bring you the latest on what is happening tonight and let - let's bring you the latest on what| is happening tonight and let show you the _ is happening tonight and let show you the picture _ is happening tonight and let show you the picture in— is happening tonight and let show you the picture in birmingham. i is happening tonight and let show you the picture in birmingham. lnj you the picture in birmingham. common with eric there had
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you the picture in birminghamm common with eric there had been places with plant demonstrations or demonstrations we talked about on social media and online by far right groups, what we are seeing is counter demonstrations. this is birmingham. that is an example. we've also seen counter demonstrations already happening in places like wolf and stowe and east london so that is the scene in birmingham. we can now go to bristol. i corresponded joe is there with the latest. corresponded joe is there with the latest. , , ., ., ~ ., ., latest. this is the old market area ofthe latest. this is the old market area of the city. _ latest. this is the old market area of the city. one — latest. this is the old market area of the city, one of the _ latest. this is the old market area of the city, one of the places - latest. this is the old market area | of the city, one of the places where it had been reported to a couple of lawyers offices, the ones who dealt with immigration cases, were going to be targeted by the far right, their addresses posted on social media and there was concerned there was going to be a big far right marched turning up. as you can see, what actually has happened is the people of bristol, trade unions and members of the asian community with
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a wide selection of society seems to have come out and said those groups are not welcome on the streets. we have been hearing chants going up saying, no to fascism and various others something you cannot repeat on tv, but in general it has been a good—natured protest. we are understanding so far there has been no sign of those far right groups. a lot of the organisation, a lot of this is grassroots, but a lot of the organisation has come from trade unions. i'mjoined by lori organisation has come from trade unions. i'm joined by lori with unison. what made you came down tonight? it unison. what made you came down toniaht? . , ., ., unison. what made you came down toniaht? ., ., ., ., tonight? it was fear for the local businesses _ tonight? it was fear for the local businesses that _ tonight? it was fear for the local businesses that i _ tonight? it was fear for the local businesses that i frequent - tonight? it was fear for the local - businesses that i frequent and know and love _ businesses that i frequent and know and love and go to on a regular basis _ and love and go to on a regular basis and — and love and go to on a regular basis and i— and love and go to on a regular basis and i felt like i needed to be here to _ basis and i felt like i needed to be here to help protect them. could see a lot hereto help protect them. could see a lot of— here to help protect them. could see a lot of places are boarded up so there _ a lot of places are boarded up so there has— a lot of places are boarded up so there has been a lot of fear on what could _ there has been a lot of fear on what could happen and it felt really important we were here to protect
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our community. it�*s important we were here to protect our community-— our community. it's difficult to get a sense of numbers _ our community. it's difficult to get a sense of numbers because - our community. it's difficult to get a sense of numbers because we i our community. it's difficult to get. a sense of numbers because we are at one end and it is a long straight. to be have any sense on how many people have turned up tonight? because i can't see that and i really— because i can't see that and i really have no idea. i probably gathered — really have no idea. i probably gathered with 150 unison members outside _ gathered with 150 unison members outside of— gathered with 150 unison members outside of the central and we walked in together but i have no idea how he knew _ in together but i have no idea how he knew more people are here. how lona are he knew more people are here. how long are you — he knew more people are here. finn long are you planning on staying in what is the plan for this counter protest? what is the plan for this counter rotest? ~ ., , , what is the plan for this counter rotest? a, , ., , what is the plan for this counter rotest? , .,, ., what is the plan for this counter rotest? , ., , protest? may be as long as it takes, as necessary. _ protest? may be as long as it takes, as necessary, that _ protest? may be as long as it takes, as necessary, that would _ protest? may be as long as it takes, as necessary, that would be - protest? may be as long as it takes, as necessary, that would be my - as necessary, that would be my approach — as necessary, that would be my approach. information is hard to come _ approach. information is hard to come try— approach. information is hard to come by we have some idea that something is planned for eight p:m.. i something is planned for eight p:m.. i would _ something is planned for eight p:m.. i would probably want to stay if few hours _ i would probably want to stay if few hours beyond, if nothing has happened by then that may be we will head home. but i think it's far right— head home. but i think it's far right demonstrators do turn up and then we _ right demonstrators do turn up and then we could be here as long as we need _ then we could be here as long as we need to— then we could be here as long as we need to be _ then we could be here as long as we need to be to make sure harm is not
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done. ., ~ need to be to make sure harm is not done. . ,, i. need to be to make sure harm is not done. ., ~' ,, , need to be to make sure harm is not done. . ,, i. , . need to be to make sure harm is not done. ., ~ ,, , . ., need to be to make sure harm is not done. . ,, i. , . ., ., done. thank you very much. for now, it has been — done. thank you very much. for now, it has been entirely _ done. thank you very much. for now, it has been entirely peaceful- done. thank you very much. for now, it has been entirely peaceful and - it has been entirely peaceful and good—natured, of course that could change, but people in bristol are hoping tonight will remain peaceful. thank you, joe, we may be back with you. joe with bristol bears. a similar picture there? counter demonstrators out on the straight? let's go to harrow now and to our correspondent nickjohnson. harrow north—west london one of the most religious areas in the north west of the country there is a large antiracism demonstration and it certainly reflects that diversity, people of the weaving placard saying, no to racism and no to hate, a message from a number of speakers here about uniting against hate and combating hate. we spoke to one lady
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wearing a hijab in that group of protesters and she said she feels less safe walking out in the past week. this group here to counter a planned protest organised by far right groups aimed at targeting and immigration office here which is just behind this parade of shops. so far it does not appear anyone from that group is here. it all feels very peaceful and good—natured at the moment. nevertheless, there has been a large police presence here for most of the afternoon. number of police vans darted around the immediate area. police appeared to be relaxed, none are dressed in riot gear but we've heard in the last hour so there has been a dispersal notice issued for parts of harrow which means police have temporarily more powers in this area because of the planned protest here. also an order in place whereby the police can ask protesters to their face coverings if they feel that should
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happen. also, there is a large parade of shops around where this immigration centre is. most of them have closed a lot earlier this afternoon, from an estate agent, to afternoon, from an estate agent, to a number of restaurants have closed much earlier. 0ne owner of a veep shop here saying he only letting in customers he recognises today. also spoke the owner of a news agent which is still open but he said he will close it saying it's not worth the risk if things get out of hand saying he's had it for ten years and this is the first time he felt he may need to consider closing early. but for the moment, peaceful and good—natured here. but for the moment, peaceful and good-natured here.— but for the moment, peaceful and good-natured here. thank you, nick johnson good-natured here. thank you, nick johnson and — good-natured here. thank you, nick johnson and harrow. _ with me is now is dal babu, former chief superintendent at the metropolitan police. but also as a borough commander in
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harrow which nick was just talking about. the picture so far and it is early days is that a lot of counter demonstrators are out on the streets trying to protect some of these premises that have been targeted online. ., �* , premises that have been targeted online. ., 3 ~ ., premises that have been targeted online. . �* , . ., ., online. that's right. what we have seen today — online. that's right. what we have seen today is _ online. that's right. what we have seen today is to _ online. that's right. what we have seen today is to they _ online. that's right. what we have seen today is to they is _ online. that's right. what we have seen today is to they is the - online. that's right. what we have seen today is to they is the day . seen today is to they is the day we've had sentences atjustices moved very quickly and we have seen people who rioted to seven days ago been identified and not necessarily arrested on the night but arrested in identified and brought before the court system and they have received synthesis is so we've had a 58—year—old man who has been sentenced to three years so these are tough sentences. the sentences for phila disorder often five years, however you get a discount if you plead guilty so a 30% discount. so the warning to people is if you are going out there to cause trouble, may ham, bear that in mind that you will be looking at a five year
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sentence for a violent disorder that seems to be the most common offence that people will be charged with over the next few days. thea;r that people will be charged with over the next few days. they are -auttin over the next few days. they are putting people — over the next few days. they are putting people through - over the next few days. they are putting people through the - over the next few days. they are | putting people through the courts pretty quickly. also remanding them in custody in quite a lot of cases rather than giving them bail. to think that is an additional deterrent to people? think that is an additional deterrent to --eole? , , ., deterrent to people? yes, they want to be confident _ deterrent to people? yes, they want to be confident and _ deterrent to people? yes, they want to be confident and have _ deterrent to people? yes, they want to be confident and have a _ deterrent to people? yes, they want to be confident and have a reason i to be confident and have a reason for people believe that keeping people in custody so you have failed in custody, normally people would get bail, but there is a concern these people may go back and cause problems or may be agitated online, evenif problems or may be agitated online, even if not physically so they are keptin even if not physically so they are kept in custody. so it is a very strong message. if you look at what sir mark has said, the police have changed their tactics, placed people strategically around the country. so the police are fleet of foot and able to get to situations that may
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develop. able to get to situations that may develo -. �* ,., . able to get to situations that may develo -. �* _, . , ., develop. also a huge number of officers, 6000. _ develop. also a huge number of officers, 6000. a _ develop. also a huge number of officers, 6000. a couple - develop. also a huge number of officers, 6000. a couple of - develop. also a huge number of - officers, 6000. a couple of thousand extra have been brought in? each officers, 6000. a couple of thousand extra have been brought in?- extra have been brought in? each of the 43 forces _ extra have been brought in? each of the 43 forces as _ extra have been brought in? each of the 43 forces as a _ extra have been brought in? each of the 43 forces as a requirement - extra have been brought in? each of the 43 forces as a requirement to i the 43 forces as a requirement to have a certain number of riot trained officers. in addition to that, we've had some additional officers brought in and those officers brought in and those officers will be spread around the country, ready to pounce on any kind of disorder that happens. it is what we have seen in the last few days is the police have generally been outnumbered and that presents it the situation. we outnumbered and that presents it the situation. ~ ., ., ., ~' outnumbered and that presents it the situation. ~ ., ., situation. we are looking at -ictures situation. we are looking at pictures in _ situation. we are looking at pictures in east _ situation. we are looking at pictures in east london - situation. we are looking at l pictures in east london where situation. we are looking at - pictures in east london where it is a similar picture to the one we were discussing and harrow and birmingham and bristol where there had been threatened right right—wing protests. these are actually countered demonstrations often to protect premises that is counter demonstrators think it may be under threat night out in force on the
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streets. former metropolitan police superintendent, do you think the fact that there are these countered demonstrations as may be a deterrence or not to those who had been planning protests? i deterrence or not to those who had been planning protests?— deterrence or not to those who had been planning protests? i think that all adds to it- _ been planning protests? i think that all adds to it. as _ been planning protests? i think that all adds to it. as long _ been planning protests? i think that all adds to it. as long as people - all adds to it. as long as people are working with the police, i would urge anyone who wants to demonstrate, counter demonstrate and ideally, people would not but i can understand why people would want to send this very strong message. the key thing is to work with the police so you do not end up causing overstretched police even more... we've had riots in 2011 and i think you were involved in some of that policing as well. at some stage, faiths things fizzle out. what are the five jurors that would lead to to fizzle in this case? in the five jurors that would lead to to fizzle in this case?— to fizzle in this case? in 2011, mark was _ to fizzle in this case? in 2011, mark was shot _ to fizzle in this case? in 2011, mark was shot in _ to fizzle in this case? in 2011, mark was shot in tottenham l to fizzle in this case? in 2011, i mark was shot in tottenham and to fizzle in this case? in 2011, - mark was shot in tottenham and that led to some disorder which initially
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was in london and then spread around the country, part of that is when people see the sentencing, so people go out there rioting and suddenly they see the consequences of what happened we have seen people stealing a tray of greg's sausage rolls, when that individual is caught, they will serve substantial censuses. so we've seen that the turn, even if you plead guilty, we had one man who pleaded guilty who will now serve three years. a long time to contemplate their behaviour. it's a very clear message, if you're going out there to riot, you will be arrested, if not on the night then subsequently. arrested, if not on the night then subsequently-— arrested, if not on the night then subsequently. arrested, if not on the night then subseuuentl . �* , , , . . subsequently. because they piece a lot to net subsequently. because they piece a lot to get there _ subsequently. because they piece a lot to get there from _ subsequently. because they piece a lot to get there from body - subsequently. because they piece a lot to get there from body cams, i lot to get there from body cams, from the cell phone footage and so on, seeing people even if they have masks on, they identify them with tattoos and so on. the masks on, they identify them with tattoos and so on.— tattoos and so on. the evidence unatherin tattoos and so on. the evidence gathering as _ tattoos and so on. the evidence
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gathering as part _ tattoos and so on. the evidence gathering as part of _ tattoos and so on. the evidence gathering as part of the - tattoos and so on. the evidence gathering as part of the police, | gathering as part of the police, their sole role is to take photographs and images of various people, they did not get involved with conflict. so the officers will have body cams, cctv, drones going around if you would prefer school people arrested, they were massed up so they thought they had anonymity, but they are not the sharpest tools and the box, they had distinctive tattoos and they were on the police database so those touches help to identify these individuals and they were arrested, charged and imprisoned.— were arrested, charged and imprisoned. were arrested, charged and imrisoned. j ., imprisoned. they're looking at vafious imprisoned. they're looking at various pictures _ imprisoned. they're looking at various pictures from - imprisoned. they're looking at various pictures from around l imprisoned. they're looking at l various pictures from around the country at the moment, walthamstow for example, this is in east london, in another moment everything peaceful but because these are counter demonstrators who are trying to protect the properties who had been targeted as possible targets for far right demonstrations, immigration lawyers, offices,
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asylum—seekers and five centres, those kinds of places. so the moment it is very peaceful, but in the cases where it has not been, where we have seen violent unrest over the last few days, what are the police tactics, to discuss briefly, former super chief intendant of the met, sometimes the police hang back and sometimes the police hang back and sometimes they advance on protesters. it sometimes they advance on protesters— sometimes they advance on rotesters. ., , , protesters. it would depend entirely on what the — protesters. it would depend entirely on what the situation _ protesters. it would depend entirely on what the situation is. _ protesters. it would depend entirely on what the situation is. for - on what the situation is. for example we saw the protesters, the rioters burned some rubbish in a bin then try and get into a hostel where you had asylum—seekers, women and children in. so the police priority at that point was to protect the building. so that would change later on, it would be to move people on and make arrests as they can but what you will find is it is very rare in these situations to make mass arrests. the met is very
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fortunate, it is him as a quarter of the entire police force of the country so they are able to do things which of the forces would not be able to, however now we have mutual aid around the forces across the country. mutual aid around the forces across the country-— the country. former super chief intended of— the country. former super chief intended of the _ the country. former super chief intended of the met, _ the country. former super chief intended of the met, thank i the country. former super chief| intended of the met, thank you, the country. former super chief i intended of the met, thank you, you will be with us through the evening and so we will come back to you but around the world and across the uk you are watching bbc news.
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the large majority of protests across the united kingdom the last few days have been peaceful, but this is the scene in brighton. there is a large police presence at a counter protest that has spilt out onto one of the mean streets in the centre of the city. this is bristol tonight were over 1000 counter protesters have gathered on west
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straight were almost all businesses on the straight have boarded up windows. and in bradford, in brentford — a anti—racism protest is taking place on the great west road — one of the main routes into the centre of london. and, this is the counter—protest in liverpool where a court in the city earlier today imposed the firstjail sentences on those found guilty of violent disorder that has taken place across the uk over the last week. the picture this evening is generally peaceful protests. these are counter demonstrations that are taking place in places like birmingham, bristol, east london and so on. we can speak to doctor 0livia brown associate professor at the university of back to study social media activity to understand and predict when groups and individuals may engage in protests and thank you for being with us. social media
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doesn't seem to be a real weapon with these far right groups to co—ordinate their demonstrations and to their protests and to the unrest they have caused and quite a few cities around the united kingdom. thank you for having me on. absolutely. there is the practical point that social media allows that facilitation and organisation. of course we've heard a lot on the issue of misinformation and that has been a key issue in the violence we have seen over the past week. talk to us about — have seen over the past week. talk to us about misinformation in particular. what are the main channels of communication that these far right protesters have been using. we hear a lot about telegram, but other social media, twitter and so on. i but other social media, twitter and so on. ~' ., but other social media, twitter and so on. ~ ., ., so on. i think twitter, telegram and closed whatsapp — so on. i think twitter, telegram and closed whatsapp has _ so on. i think twitter, telegram and closed whatsapp has been - so on. i think twitter, telegram and closed whatsapp has been key i so on. i think twitter, telegram and i closed whatsapp has been key players in this, but with the misinformation itself, i think one of the reasons
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itself, i think one of the reasons it had such an effect in this instance is because of the information vacuum we had just after the southport incident. so the 2—3 days when we were not sure who the attacker was and of course that then gets filled with false information which in this case that this was a muslim migrant. ithink which in this case that this was a muslim migrant. i think that really was the fire that lit the match and the way it caused an inflammatory reaction across social media. in this case as well, what we saw was that this information —— miss information was shared by accounts with large followings, to be thousands of followers. key players in the far right space were purporting this piece of misinformation and the challenge there is when things received a lot of likes and see them trending on platforms which we did with x, that can give information a perceived credibility which is then difficult to undo in the aftermath of when the truth came out. in a
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to undo in the aftermath of when the truth came out.— truth came out. in a sense, the social media _ truth came out. in a sense, the social media outlets, _ truth came out. in a sense, the social media outlets, they i truth came out. in a sense, the social media outlets, they are i truth came out. in a sense, the i social media outlets, they are echo chambers for people on the far right to espouse their views and then to hear them coming back and back to them. and the followers, very much them. and the followers, very much the same sort of thing.— the same sort of thing. absolutely. there is the — the same sort of thing. absolutely. there is the practical— the same sort of thing. absolutely. there is the practical issue - the same sort of thing. absolutely. there is the practical issue around | there is the practical issue around the structure of the platforms and the structure of the platforms and the way the algorithms operate, we know there has been a real issue of last week with violent for leos appearing quite a lot on people's feeds and if you watch it once and for a longer period of time, if you rewind that video, you will see more and more content of that type simply because of the way the platforms are designed. you also make an excellent point around designed. you also make an excellent pointaround in designed. you also make an excellent point around in the followers of these accounts. it is notjust the influences and algorithms that is doing this. it is the everyday peoplejoining doing this. it is the everyday people joining the platform to join the conversation. we know that having conversations with other
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people can mobilise people to want to engage in action because you feel that there are similar shared opinions and you can form an identity around that grievance. so there are a lot of factors happening on these platforms i can explain what we've seen of the last week. thank you very much, 0livia brown. we will talk much more about the impact of social media. a reminder, at the moment although lots of far right protests have been planned around the united kingdom, so far everything is pretty peaceful. but we have seen actually are counter demonstrations. stay with us because you are watching bbc news. much more to come. hello there. the next 24 hours look fairly unsettled. we've got another weather system working in off the atlantic that's going to bring a stronger breeze, cloud, outbreaks of rain, so an unsettled day tomorrow. after we start off with some sunshine the cloud will tend to build in. and we've had a breezy day today, thanks to this area of low pressure
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that's brought windy weather to scotland and plenty of showers, but it's moving away. the showers fade away in this brief ridge of high pressure through the overnight period, so a drier, clearer night come for northern, central and eastern areas, but the signs of this weather front starting to approach wales south—west england with increasing breeze. outbreaks of rain temperatures lifting here mid—teens. i think for most though we're looking at ten to 12 celsius. so for thursday, here's the new area of low pressure working its way in slowly from the atlantic, it looks like it'll be dry and bright with some sunshine across scotland and eastern parts of england. but very soon the clouds out west will spread northwards and eastwards throughout the day and outbreaks of rain move in as well. some heavier bursts for north wales, north—west england, up southern and western scotland, elsewhere very patchy and probably staying dry across the southeast. but a breezy day to come for all because of the lack of sunshine, it's not going to be particularly warm. temperatures of 15 to 21 degrees from north to south across the uk. the rain gradually peters out
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as the system pushes off into the north sea. it does turn drier through thursday night and to start friday, we start to import some warm and muggy air across england and wales, so 15 to 18 degrees here, low teens further north. for friday though, we are in a run of westerly winds. so it's going to be a fairly breezy day but a bright one. quite a bit of sunshine around. a lot of dry weather for england and wales. probably the showers affecting northern and western scotland, northern ireland and north west england, but elsewhere i think it should stay dry all together and a warmer day to come. the low 20s in the north up to around the mid 20s further south. now this is just a taste of things to come because i think as we head into the weekend we could see a short lived hot and humid spell. this heat moving up from france and spain likely to affect parts of england and wales, particularly towards the south east. the peak of the heat will be around sunday into monday, so we could be into the low to mid 30s celsius across the south east, even warmer there for cardiff, but it's pretty short lived as temperatures return closer
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far—right demonstrations planned. mainly, so far, it's been counter demonstrators who have been out on the streets trying to protect premises that they believe could be under threat this evening. we'll have much more on the situation and towns and cities across the uk, but... sport and for a full round—up, from the bbc sport centre, here's gavin ra mjaun. we start in paris with one of the big athletic events of the olympics — the men's 400 metres final and a superb finish which saw the usa's quicy hall storm from behind to win gold at the last moment. britain's matt hudson—smith looked as though he was heading home in first place — pulling clear ofjereem richards in the outside lane, on the final straight. but hall had other ideas,
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