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two men have beenjailed following protests in leeds, as uk prime minister sir keir starmer says police should remain on "high alert" after a week of rioting across england and northern ireland. a councillor has been charged with one count of encouraging violent disorder, after he was filmed addressing a crowd at a london demonstration on wednesday. another teenager has been arrested in connection with the planned attacks on the taylor swift concerts in vienna. and lee carsley has been announced as interim manager of the england men's football team. he says it's an honour to "step up and lead the squad". hello. welcome and thank you very much for joining us. i'm ben brown. it may be the most significant ukrainian attack into russian territory since the start of the war.
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the surprise ukrainian cross—border incursion into russia, in the kursk region, is into its fourth day and ukrainian forces have also now launched a drone attack on a russian airbase just north of kursk. ukraine's president, volodymr zelensky, says russia needs to "feel the consequences" of its invasion. russian defence ministry pictures show that airbase being targeted. ukrainian sources say several dozen russian fighterjets and helicopters at the base were hit, as well as munitions warehouses storing hundreds of glide bombs. meanwhile bbc verify has examined these pictures of a 15—vehicle russian convoy, damaged, burned and abandoned deep inside russian territory. the video has been shared widely on social media. the person who uploaded it is said to have been detained.
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meanwhile, for its part, russia has responded with an attack on a supermarket in a city in the eastern donetsk region that's left at least 11 people dead and another 35 injured. president zelensky shared these pictures of what he said was the scene of the attack. he says people are trapped in the rubble. let's talk to our ukraine correspondent, james waterhouse, who's in kyiv. first of all, james, talk to us about, as you read it, the significance of this ukrainian cross—border incursion deep inside russian territory around kursk. iwhen russian territory around kursk. when ou sa it russian territory around kursk. when you say it like — russian territory around kursk. when you say it like that, _ russian territory around kursk. when you say it like that, ben, _ russian territory around kursk. when you say it like that, ben, i _ russian territory around kursk. tween you say it like that, ben, i think that sounds as dramatic as it is. i don't think since we've seen ukraine amount of the counter offensive as it did in 2022, where it retook swathes of territory in the north—east and in the south, i think this trumps that in a way in terms of how shocking it is any military sense. we have often talked about a full—scale invasion waged by russia
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on ukraine. it is a conflict russia has been able to dictate by the very fact it has embarked on this aggression and the very fact it is the fighter in this war, where it is making size count. and then you have a counterpunch like this. ukraine has done cross—border incursions before with for smaller numbers of troops and this is the first time the regular army has been used in this way and when you look at what is happening, and i have to say it is happening, and i have to say it is relatively difficult to get a clear picture when we are talking about where the fighting is and problems with access, when we look at the territory ukraine has gained, we look at russian columns scrambling as they try to contain this attack and we look at the shock that has reached the very top of the kremlin, vladimir putin, it is clear that ukraine has successfully blindsided russia for now and it seems that if you have's aim was to
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draw russian forces from elsewhere, where the war is not going its way, it has succeeded in doing so, which leads us to the question of what the next? can ukraine hold onto this territory for any period of time and what's called the russian response be, if any? what's called the russian response be, ifany? this what's called the russian response be, if any? this cuts to the heart of what vladimir putin tries to prevent, betraying himself as the protector of his people, but this has been a notable threemac days in this full—scale invasion. find has been a notable threemac days in this full-scale invasion.— this full-scale invasion. and you were talking _ this full-scale invasion. and you were talking about _ this full-scale invasion. and you were talking about the - this full-scale invasion. and you l were talking about the motivation this full-scale invasion. and you - were talking about the motivation of ukrainians and you think this counterpunch is partly to boost morale and show ukraine's western supporters that it isn't beaten and it on the back foot and can push forward as well? i it on the back foot and can push forward as well?— forward as well? i think it is a welcome _ forward as well? i think it is a welcome by-product - forward as well? i think it is a welcome by-product of- forward as well? i think it is a welcome by-product of that l forward as well? i think it is a i welcome by-product of that and forward as well? i think it is a - welcome by-product of that and i welcome by—product of that and i don't think you will see any general embark on an operation with the simple aim of boosting morale and
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evenif simple aim of boosting morale and even if it wanted to, it hasn't been able to do so for some time now because of reasons discussed. but what this does is it does change things. all of a sudden when you have meant reluctantly being called up have meant reluctantly being called up to the army and you have exhausted troops on the front line and you suddenly see things go in ukraine's favour, things feel different very quickly and it feeds a belief that, actually, ukraine can still shock russia, it can still shock itself, but also western allies. and i think where it is speeding confidence further is that we had in the west, a few murmurings of surprise from the white house when the attack started, i would be surprised if ukraine has gone freelance on this and it seems the west is supporting ukraine in this endeavour for now and it is ok with its missiles being used and tanks rolling on russian soil and i think that will only feed ukraine's confidence further. but this is a
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high—stakes ploy. ukraine is still out manned by the russians and it will need a return on this operation, otherwise things could go south very quickly on the front lines. ., ~' , ., , . south very quickly on the front lines. . ~ , . , lines. thank you very much. james waterhouse _ lines. thank you very much. james waterhouse there, _ lines. thank you very much. james waterhouse there, our _ lines. thank you very much. james waterhouse there, our ukraine - waterhouse there, our ukraine correspondence with the very latest on that incursion. well, for more on that, we are joined now by alex lord. he's a lead europe and eurasia analyst at the intelligence consultancy sibylline. thank you for being with us. how do you see this? is it a high—stakes move by the ukrainians and you think it will provoke the russians? and the idea of using western weaponry to mount this attack inside russian territory. i to mount this attack inside russian territo . ~ , ., territory. i think it is an unprecedented - territory. i think it is an i unprecedented operation territory. i think it is an - unprecedented operation by the ukrainians and as we have previously heard, the ukrainians have launched relatively small cross—border incursions previously but this is a large—scale operation and we don't know the scale of it as of yet an operational security is pretty tight so information is limited but it is
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pretty clear that the ukrainians are engaging in this operation in a hope that it can challenge russia's but to field starts to generate some, if not necessarily strategic, but operational gains for the ukrainians who are at the back foot at the moment in the donbas and they are stretched thin in that part of ukraine and reversed by generating this new offensive and trying to seize the battlefield initiative, they are likely trying to put pressure on the russians to redeploy troops and draw down at least the intensity of its ongoing summer offensive in the donbas and swing forces north towards this kursk offensive and reduce pressure on those ukrainian communities under significant pressure in the donbas. so that is how you see the aim? do you think ukrainians are maybe not attempting to hold onto that
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territory or could they even hold onto that territory? this territory or could they even hold onto that territory?— territory or could they even hold onto that territory? this is an open auestion onto that territory? this is an open question as — onto that territory? this is an open question as to _ onto that territory? this is an open question as to what _ onto that territory? this is an open question as to what the _ onto that territory? this is an open question as to what the objectivesl question as to what the objectives of this art so i have just described some of the potential military objectives of this operation but if we move into the diplomatic and strategic realm of what are the objectives of this operation, we could well see the ukrainians want to take control of a section of russian territory in kursk. what we could well be seeing is ukraine attempting to set conditions to improve its negotiating position ahead of any potential ceasefire or peace talks which may or may not begin in 2025. of course, the ukrainians are on the defensive but they are seeking to illustrate by this operation that they can launch large—scale counter offensive operations that can upset russian military planning so if they are able to dig in, which some indications do suggest they are currently doing around the border
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region, if the ukrainians are able to retain control of some of this territory, we could well see that being used as a bargaining chip, as it were, during future negotiations were exchanges of territory will inevitably be on the table. president putin will be infuriated by this, isn't he? you will see this as a provocation.— by this, isn't he? you will see this as a provocation. absolutely, and he used those — as a provocation. absolutely, and he used those words _ as a provocation. absolutely, and he used those words when _ as a provocation. absolutely, and he used those words when he _ as a provocation. absolutely, and he used those words when he called - as a provocation. absolutely, and he used those words when he called to | used those words when he called to the security council meeting earlier this week and he described it as a large—scale provocation. obviously la rge—scale provocation. obviously ukrainians large—scale provocation. obviously ukrainians are fighting a defensive war and that is why the ukrainians are attacking in this part of russia, but it does mark a significant precedent and a state of emergency has been declared in kursk and we have seen large—scale evacuations of civilians, for example, so the russian response has so far been relatively chaotic, as it were. the russians have been
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struggling to contain ukrainian advances and seemingly, the ukrainians are still advancing in various directions and we will likely see the russians deploying additional troops but again, further indications suggest that the ukrainians are successfully interdicting russian reinforcements across kursk and exploiting this operational surprise which ukrainians have managed to achieve. thank you very much for your time and analysis. police in northern ireland say they dealt with several race—related hate crimes in belfast on thursday night. a car was set on fire and a group of masked men threw bricks at officers. after a week of rioting across england and in northern ireland, the prime minister, sir keir starmer, said there are plans to crack down on any potential unrest this weekend and has asked police chiefs to stay on "high alert". it comes as a man was jailed for 20 months after he admitted stirring up racial hatred on social media
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by calling for an attack on a hotel in leeds, housing refugees and asylum seekers. simonjones reports. the police say they are on a high state of readiness, going after people believed to have been involved in the recent rioting. there have been a series of arrests in staffordshire this morning in connection with trouble last weekend. and the prime minister, on a visit to the metropolitan police, says officers are also prepared in case of further trouble this weekend, even though far—right demonstrations which had been planned for the middle of this week largely failed to materialise. my message to the police, and all of those charged with responding to disorder is, "maintain that high alert". i am absolutely convinced that having the police officers in place these last few days in the right places, the swift justice that is being dispensed in our courts, have had a real impact.
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but we have to stay on high alert going into this weekend because we absolutely have to make sure that our communities are safe and secure, and feel safe and secure. this is the moment police arrest a 69—year—old rioter. william morgan had armed himself with a wooden cosh and joined a violent mob during the recent riots on merseyside. he has now been jailed for two years and eight months. footage released by the crown prosecution service reveals the moment a library was torched in liverpool last saturday. with so many books inside, it didn't take long for the place to go up. it is being visited today by the business secretary. the public has already donated more than £200,000 to an online fundraiser to buy new books. we have a very diverse community that came together. last night in brighton, around 100 people attended a rally organised by stand up to racism. but despite the community support, some say they remain fearful. there are members of my congregation and congregations
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across the country that are having to think twice about whether they can attend mosque, especially in the evenings. in this day and age, and in our country, nobody should be fearing to go to a place of worship, which are sanctuaries. these images have been released by humberside police of men they want to speak to. many of them were captured by tv cameras and on social media too. this man with the grey jumper around his neck was filmed with a police shield and is being cheered on to throw objects. and this man with a grey hoodie appears to be among a group of people attacking a car. police and politicians alike are hoping the stiff sentences being handed out to offenders, including those who stirred up hatred online, are acting as a deterrent to further trouble. we want to reassure our local communities that we are absolutely taking this seriously and that that level of disorder and public violence will not be tolerated within staffordshire police. but officers are braced for what could be another challenging weekend. simon jones, bbc news. a councillor in dartford,
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in kent, has been charged with one count of encouraging violent disorder after he was filmed addressing a crowd at a london demonstration on wednesday. our political correspondent ben wrightjoins us now from westminster. what more can you tell us? ricky jones was a _ what more can you tell us? ricky jones was a former _ what more can you tell us? ricky jones was a former labour- what more can you tell us? ii cg jones was a former labour councillor in dartford, kent, and was among thousands of people who joined a counter demonstration against racism and violence in walthamstow, east london, on wednesday evening and the video footage posted online showed the 57—year—old telling a crowd that, far right demonstrators needed to have their throats cut. he was arrested by the met yesterday when a labour party spokesperson gave a statement saying this was unacceptable and will not be tolerated and he has since been suspended from that labour party and he has now been charged with
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encouraging violent disorder and the cps said he had made remarks and gestures encouraging others to act violently towards far right protesters and he is expected to appear at westminster magistrates' court later today. bent appear at westminster magistrates' court later today.— court later today. bent right there, our political — court later today. bent right there, our political respondent _ court later today. bent right there, our political respondent at - our political respondent at westminster. —— ben wright there. the mayor of london says the uk's laws to counter mis—information online are "not fit for purpose". sadiq khan has urged ministers to re—visit the online safety act "very, very quickly". we are joined now by victoria nash, director of the oxford internet institute, at the university of oxford. what you think about efforts to regulate the internet and social media? are they strong enough? i frankly think it is too early to tell and the law we are introducing in the uk won't come into full force until at the very least later this year so out at the moment it is
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quite difficult to tell what difference it would make in a situation like this. but difference it would make in a situation like this.— situation like this. but is the basic truth _ situation like this. but is the basic truth that _ situation like this. but is the basic truth that social - situation like this. but is the basic truth that social media j basic truth that social media companies and so on will not police themselves, will not govern themselves? they need outside legislation and rules to make them comply? legislation and rules to make them coml ? ., , legislation and rules to make them coml? . , ., comply? that is absolutely true and i think it comply? that is absolutely true and i think it has — comply? that is absolutely true and i think it has been _ comply? that is absolutely true and i think it has been very _ comply? that is absolutely true and i think it has been very shocking - i think it has been very shocking and appalling to see in recent days even the owner of one of these companies, elon musk, coming out and spreading really harmful comments, harmful misinformation, through his own account, so i think it is quite clear we can't expect them to self police and for that reason we will have the online safety act in the uk and the digital services act in europe and in the future these should certainly help protect against the worst excesses around content that is obviously illegal. the mayor of london is clearly worried this online safety act is not fit for purpose and has too many weaknesses are. do you think that is true? what are the weaknesses that
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he fears? it true? what are the weaknesses that he fears? ,.,, ., _ true? what are the weaknesses that he fears? , ., _ ., true? what are the weaknesses that hefears? , ., _ ., ., he fears? it is obviously hard to say exactly _ he fears? it is obviously hard to say exactly what _ he fears? it is obviously hard to say exactly what sadiq - he fears? it is obviously hard to say exactly what sadiq khan - he fears? it is obviously hard to say exactly what sadiq khan is i say exactly what sadiq khan is referencing. i think for me the most difficult point comes between content which would be clearly illegal, so inciting violence, organising a riot etc, which the act would cover and would require companies to make substantial efforts to prevent that sort of content circulating and take it down when it does. i think that should be well dealt with in the future. i think the more difficult issues sadiq khan might be referencing is around content that would actually be legal under current framing so is like the type of dog whistle statements we have seen around the role of certain types of individuals in the southport crimes and those would not necessarily be covered under the act so if that is what he is referring to, that is correct will stop i suppose, we have seen in the last few days of social media being used in a couple of ways. misinformation, and this information, as you say it. it also to organise some of this violent
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disorder and tell people where to go and there was even information about how to carry out arson attacks on how to carry out arson attacks on how to carry out arson attacks on how to make petrol bombs and so on. that is right and this is one of the fundamental problems with any communication technology and we wouldn't clamp down on the use of phone technologies for this purpose and people will find ways to communicate. it may be that as we look back on this year if there is further unrest, it may be that we do need to introduce new forms of crime relating to encouraging and organising the sort of events made ljy organising the sort of events made by communicating these sorts of facts but at present it would seem to treat social media communication in a way that might be different, say, from mobile phones or even other traditional forms of communication.- other traditional forms of communication. ., ., ~ ., communication. good to talk to you. thank ou communication. good to talk to you. thank you so — communication. good to talk to you. thank you so much. _ communication. good to talk to you. thank you so much. victoria - communication. good to talk to you. thank you so much. victoria nash i thank you so much. victoria nash there, director of the oxford internet institute. around the world and across the uk, you are watching bbc news.
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israel has agreed to send a delegation to a new round of talks on a possible ceasefire with hamas that would also see remaining hostages released. the united states, egypt and qatar have issued a joint call for talks to resume next week in either cairo or doha, but hamas has yet to respond. fears have been growing that the gaza war will escalate into a wider conflict after the killing of the hamas leader, ismail haniyeh, in iran. let's talk with dr lina khatib. she is the director of the soas middle east institute. thank you for being with us. we have had so many efforts at talks and a breakthrough on a ceasefire and a hostage release deal. do you have any more optimism now than we have had in the last few weeks that this could, we could see a breakthrough? it is very difficult to predict what
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will happen, of course, however one thing is clear, knew hamas nor israel have been able to overwhelm the other militarily in this conflict. —— neither hamas. this means the only way out of this conflict is through diplomacy and this is something that the us, qatar, and egypt have been saying for a long time and they have busily stepping up efforts for several months now. what has happened is that military escalation has in turn made diplomatic efforts more intense and so if anything, we can now see perhaps more diplomatic activity than ever because there is a growing sense of urgency that the more things escalate militarily, the greater the risk of this becoming a regional conflict and therefore diplomacy is now more urgent than ever and this is explaining this flurry of activity, so hopefully this will lead to something
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positive. this will lead to something ositive. ., this will lead to something ositive. . ., , ., positive. having said that, israel and its prime _ positive. having said that, israel and its prime minister, - positive. having said that, israel| and its prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, have promised to completely destroy hamas, so any sort of ceasefire is going to interrupt that process of destroying hamas, if that is really what they are one day able to do.— are one day able to do. yes, and they have _ are one day able to do. yes, and they have been _ are one day able to do. yes, and they have been saying _ are one day able to do. yes, and they have been saying that - are one day able to do. yes, and they have been saying that from | are one day able to do. yes, and . they have been saying that from the very beginning, the israeli side, and now hamas has a new leader, yahya al—sinwar, who is also a military leader in gaza and he is also hardline in his position because in the way it makes negotiations trickier because you have two hardliners, benjamin netanyahu on one side and yahya al—sinwar on the other side, but it also makes things a bit clearer and therefore it is not surprising that both sides are escalating their demands and being a bit stubborn
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ahead of this new round of negotiations. we have seen this before in previous rounds, so there is unfortunately no change when it comes to benjamin netanyahu's position or hamas' and this will come through the process of the negotiations themselves so it is not surprising for now and obviously benjamin netanyahu will want to appear very stubborn in the face of the selection of sinwar who is known to be the most wanted hamas officer and leader by israel. and as a new hamas leader, you sort of wonder on a practical hamas leader, you sort of wonder on a ractica u, , hamas leader, you sort of wonder on a ractica , ., ., ., , a practical level, candy negotiators even make — a practical level, candy negotiators even make contact _ a practical level, candy negotiators even make contact with _ a practical level, candy negotiators even make contact with him - a practical level, candy negotiators even make contact with him to - a practical level, candy negotiatorsl even make contact with him to even make clear what his position is miss he is not seen in public and he is most likely hiding somewhere in gaza and he has apparently been very careful in using communications
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because he does not want israel to find out where he is so he will be communicating through an interlocutor, most likely through a number of the hamas leaders, and of course, as i said, this will make negotiations trickier because he can't be there in person. however, this is whom hamas have selected as their leader and israel will basically have to contend with negotiating with hamas, because this is the only way out in the long run. we will see what happens. thank you so much, doctor lina khatib but director of the soas middle east institute. the austrian interior minister says a third person has been arrested in connection with the planned attacks on the taylor swift concerts in vienna. gerhard karner said an 18—year—old iraqi was detained in the austrian capital on thursday night. he said the teenager, who is believed to have pledged allegiance to the islamic state group, was an acquaintance of the main suspect, a 19—year—old austrian citizen. taylor swift's three performances
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in vienna have been cancelled. let's speak to our europe correspondent, bethany bell, who's in vienna. bethany, just bring us the latest on the latest arrest we have heard about. ~ ., �* the latest arrest we have heard about. ~ . �* ., ., , about. we haven't had too many details about _ about. we haven't had too many details about this _ about. we haven't had too many details about this man _ about. we haven't had too many details about this man beyond . about. we haven't had too many i details about this man beyond the fact that he is 18 years old, said to be an acquaintance of the main suspect, the 19—year—old austrian citizen who was arrested on wednesday, and we understand today as well, we have heard from the interior minister that the process is under way to remind both the 19—year—old who was arrested on wednesday and a 17—year—old austrian who was also arrested on wednesday, to remand them in custody. we also know the authorities have questioned a 15—year—old person here who
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happens to be around the area of the stadium where the concerts were taking place and they have questioned him but we understand they are treating him as a witness and he has not been arrested. this comes at the same time that vienna is still full of taylor swift fans who are missing their concert, but they say they understand a safety has to come first.— they say they understand a safety has to come first. bethany bell for as there in — has to come first. bethany bell for as there in vienna. _ stay with us here on bbc news. it is a decent enough day for most of us all though a little bit windy with showers across parts of the uk and it will turn really hot across southern parts of the uk and we have brisk westerly winds across scotland's and the irish sea and we have some showers earlier on here on the radar and we also had thick cloud earlier on in the south
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and that is a weather front which is now cleared which has now cleared towards the east and it is much brighter and the temperatures this afternoon are a mid—20s in the south—east of england and low 20s in the north—west but the teens for scotland and northern ireland. it should be a fine friday evening although in that north—west it should be a fine friday evening although in the north—west of scotland the showers will continue and the western isles too. later in the night we are also expecting thicker cloud to spread into wales, central england and the south—west, and it will really be quite murky around some coasts, a little bit of rain and drizzle is forecast. and the further east you are, the drier it will be. tomorrow starts off quite murky across the southern part of the uk and the clouds should fade into the afternoon and so we will call it bright rather
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than sunny although the south coast of england should be sunny and in scotland, showers are expected and in northern ireland and the lake district i think it should be quite sunny tomorrow. now, the forecast for sunday, i think a generally sunny day across the bulk of the uk. the winds will start to come in from the south so pushing hot air from the near continent and we will probably hit 30 degrees in the south on sunday — not in the north, though. there is that hot stream of air out of spain through france and spreading to other parts of europe as well and this will be a short—lived heatwave, a couple of days of some quite intense heat, sunday into monday but not everywhere, look at that, storms are forecast for parts of northern ireland and scotland, maybe the north of england during the course of monday. the heat will be preserved to do more central, eastern and south—eastern parts of england and 33 is possible but more typically it is around 30 and then we have the high 20s further north across northern ireland and scotland and that heat doesn't last very long and it looks as though next week
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we will have weather fronts lining up like buses heading our way.
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this is bbc news, with me, ben brown. the headlines... ukraine launches a major drone attack about 300 kilometres inside russia. but russia has carried out a strike on a ukrainian supermarket —
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killing at least 12 people accoding to the ukrainian interior minister.

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