the northern england, wales and the south—west. but three years after one warned he could end up killing someone, he went

on the rampage in nottingham. what went wrong? and the government keeps saying the country's broken. but as it kicks off its spending review process, with ministers asked to find savings, can it fix it and cut costs at the same time? hello and welcome to newsnight where we aim to offer up insights and illuminating interviews to end the day. the terrible killings of grace o'malley—kumar and barnaby webber, bothjust19, and 65—year old ian coates in nottingham last summer have cast a long shadow. few will forget the dignity of the bereaved families as the city of nottingham came together in the days after the stabbings, or the horror as the

full details emerged. tonight, panorama hasjust broadcast the first interview with the killer valdo calocane�*s family. they shared his medical records with the programme, which detail a doctor's warning his mental illness was so severe he could end up killing someone. here throughout the programme to discuss this and other stories, the former labour shadow minister jon ashworth, the former conservative mp paul scully, and the pollster scarlett maguire. from tonight's panorama, here's how valdo calocane�*s brother and mother described some of the missed opportunities to intervene before calocane carried out his attacks. my brother was so psychotic that the doctor notes that there seems to be no insight or remorse. and the danger will be that the next time this will happen again, perhaps valdo will end up killing someone. we know the care was wasn't up

to standard, but reading this note is just beyond anything. you think this could have been avoided, you could have done something. joining us now isjulian hendy, who's been working with the families of the nottingham victims. he set up the charity hundred families to support the relatives of those affected by mental health homicides. julian, welcome to newsnight. it is such a devastating story. what do you think it went wrong in the case of a valdo calocane? this you think it went wrong in the case of a valdo calocane?_ you think it went wrong in the case of a valdo calocane? this seems to be all too familiar. _ of a valdo calocane? this seems to be all too familiar. what _ of a valdo calocane? this seems to be all too familiar. what appears i of a valdo calocane? this seems to be all too familiar. what appears to have happened is that he wasn't treated. you know, we see from inquiry report after inquiry report there are failings typically to a set of manage the risk properly, to keep proper records, to monitor his medication, to listen to his family, possibly to treat drug and alcohol problems. these are common problems that we see in many cases. this happens 100—120 times each and every yearin happens 100—120 times each and every year in the united kingdom. would we see as most of the cases of people

who are either unable or unwilling to access good care and treatment. for most people with serious mental illness, they are not violent if they are in treatment. it is the people that are unable or unwilling to access good care and treatment, they are potentially dangerous and they are potentially dangerous and they need more assertive care and treatment. they need to be monitored a bit better or to be looked after by the services... offer better care. . , , ., ., ~ by the services... offer better care. ., , ., ., ~ , care. he was refusing to take his medication _ care. he was refusing to take his medication and _ care. he was refusing to take his medication and they _ care. he was refusing to take his medication and they weren't - medication and they weren't intervening. medication and they weren't intervening-— medication and they weren't intervening. medication and they weren't intervenina. �* ., ., intervening. and all too often we see peeple _ intervening. and all too often we see peeple who _ intervening. and all too often we see people who do _ intervening. and all too often we see people who do not _ intervening. and all too often we see people who do not believe i intervening. and all too often we i see people who do not believe they are unwell, they are just fallen by the wayside. are unwell, they are 'ust fallen by the wayside-h are unwell, they are 'ust fallen by the wayside. this information only came out today — the wayside. this information only came out today because _ the wayside. this information only came out today because it - the wayside. this information only came out today because it was - came out today because it was released not to the families of the victims but to the family of the killer, two valdo calocane's family who decided to give it to the bbc. is it typical for who decided to give it to the bbc. is it typicalforfamilies who decided to give it to the bbc. is it typical for families to be left in the dark? i think you were in a similar situation back in 2007 when your own father was killed. when i do like my father was killed now trying to get access to the inquiry report, they said it

depended on his content. i thought, you havejust depended on his content. i thought, you have just killed depended on his content. i thought, you havejust killed my depended on his content. i thought, you have just killed my dad and out he is deciding how much information i can get to recover.— i can get to recover. someone with mental illness. _ i can get to recover. someone with mental illness. he _ i can get to recover. someone with mental illness. he was _ i can get to recover. someone with mental illness. he was known - i can get to recover. someone with mental illness. he was known to i i can get to recover. someone with l mental illness. he was known to the services. mental illness. he was known to the services- four— mental illness. he was known to the services. four days _ mental illness. he was known to the services. four days before _ mental illness. he was known to the services. four days before he - mental illness. he was known to the services. four days before he killed | services. four days before he killed my dad, his family had been raising concerns which were not effectively dealt with. ,, ., ., , ., concerns which were not effectively dealt with. ,, ., . , . ., dealt with. should families have a riaht dealt with. should families have a ri . ht to dealt with. should families have a right to know _ dealt with. should families have a right to know this _ dealt with. should families have a right to know this information? i right to know this information? absolutely. this is a of public interest. this happens 100—120 times per year. interest. this happens 100—120 times peryear. i interest. this happens 100—120 times per year. i am dealing with lots of families were in parry reports are not being shared with families, so they are left in the dark —— inquiry reports. they are left in the dark -- inquiry re orts. �* , ., they are left in the dark -- inquiry reorts. �* ,, ., they are left in the dark -- inquiry reorts. �* ., , ., ~ reports. and you have been working closely with — reports. and you have been working closely with the _ reports. and you have been working closely with the families _ reports. and you have been working closely with the families of - reports. and you have been working closely with the families of the - closely with the families of the three people killed by valdo calocane in nottingham. they are demanding a public inquiry. i know keir starmer said he wants one. have you had any confirm that contact with the government? mi; with the government? ij�*i understanding with the government? m1 understanding is with the government? m1: understanding is there with the government? m1 understanding is there will be an inquiry. we went with the families and the government has agreed that

there will be an inquiry. their time to work out the terms of reference and see what format it will take. [30 and see what format it will take. do ou and see what format it will take. do you have hope that lessons will be loud? we talk a lot about lessons being learned in these situations. i would hope that lessons would be learned, but we have heard it so many times before. they've been doing these reports for the last 30 years, they often come up with the same recommendations, risk assessment, care planning, medication, all those things, the same recommendations time and time again, and it seems as if it is very difficult to show any evidence that people are learning. the government has confirmed _ people are learning. the government has confirmed a _ people are learning. the government has confirmed a new— people are learning. the government has confirmed a new mental- people are learning. the government has confirmed a new mental health i has confirmed a new mental health bill with the aim of having fewer people detained under the mental health act or shorting the amount of time people spent detained. what is your take on that? i am time people spent detained. what is your take on that?— your take on that? i am concerned about the review _ your take on that? i am concerned about the review of _ your take on that? i am concerned about the review of the _ your take on that? i am concerned about the review of the mental - about the review of the mental health act. i think the current proposals are that it will be more difficult for people to ask as hospital treatment. difficult for people to ask as hospitaltreatment. i difficult for people to ask as hospital treatment. i think that will have a lot of unintended consequences for people who will either harm themselves, their families or the general public if they are untreated and unwell. these sta with

they are untreated and unwell. these stay with us. — they are untreated and unwell. these stay with us, julian, but _ they are untreated and unwell. these stay with us, julian, but i would - stay with us, julian, but i would like to bring in the panel. just to reflect on this, jon, your shadow health secretary for five years. what was your assessment back then of the quality of mental health over that time? t, of the quality of mental health over that time? i, , of the quality of mental health over that time? a , , of the quality of mental health over that time? . , a , _ that time? can i 'ust quickly pay tribute to you, _ that time? can ijust quickly pay tribute to you, julian, _ that time? can ijust quickly pay tribute to you, julian, you - that time? can ijust quickly pay tribute to you, julian, you have| tribute to you, julian, you have obviously been through an absolutely awful personal tragedy, to be able to speak about it in the way that you're doing, ijust commend your bravery, and obviously the way in which are now supporting families themselves who have been through the most awful, painfultragedies, themselves who have been through the most awful, painful tragedies, so thank you for everything you are doing and keep going with it. and everything you were saying was absolutely spot—on. i mean, mental health services in this country have been hugely neglected for years and years, of governments of all colours, frankly. i mean, the facilities for mental health and patients are poor, under resourced, never get any investment. access to

treatment, as julian never get any investment. access to treatment, asjulian was saying, is becoming ever more difficult. ijust want to pick on something you mentioned, which is alcohol and drug services, which is also a national priority of mine because my dad was an alcoholic. 0ften priority of mine because my dad was an alcoholic. often you find structural problems in the system. if i can put it like that, if you go to a drug and alcohol service and see, "i've got a problem with my mental health," they will say, "we deal with drug and alcohol problems. " but mental health services will say do not come here until you're cleaned up and you can tell as you're not abusing substances or you're not abusing substances or you're not abusing substances or you're no longer on the drink. see get bounced between different parts of the system and a new fall between the cracks. that is the problem. and the cracks. that is the problem. and paul scully, — the cracks. that is the problem. and paul scully, do _ the cracks. that is the problem. and paul scully, do accept that mental health services have been underfunded for years? i health services have been underfunded for years? i have no doubt that _ underfunded for years? i have no doubt that there _ underfunded for years? i have no doubt that there are _ underfunded for years? i have no doubt that there are resourcing l doubt that there are resourcing issuesi — doubt that there are resourcing issues, issues around the legislation, as has been discussed.

i legislation, as has been discussed. i watch _ legislation, as has been discussed. i watch the — legislation, as has been discussed. i watch the panorama programme. resources— i watch the panorama programme. resources were mentioned, but i did not see _ resources were mentioned, but i did not see a _ resources were mentioned, but i did not see a direct correlation coming through but that does not mean it is not there. _ through but that does not mean it is not there, butjust in through but that does not mean it is not there, but just in this particular case, how that might have affected _ particular case, how that might have affected it _ particular case, how that might have affected it. ithink particular case, how that might have affected it. i think there are wider structural— affected it. i think there are wider structural issues that we need to look at — structural issues that we need to look at i— structural issues that we need to look at. i think it was my last summertime reading was black box thinking _ summertime reading was black box thinking where he compares nhs learning — thinking where he compares nhs learning and the learning and air, because — learning and the learning and air, because you have to really learn the lessons _ because you have to really learn the lessons and — because you have to really learn the lessons and then spread that out amongst — lessons and then spread that out amongst every airline in the world to make _ amongst every airline in the world to make sure that can never happen again. _ to make sure that can never happen again, whereas i have been, asjon hasi _ again, whereas i have been, asjon has and _ again, whereas i have been, asjon has, and others, in too many cases where public— has, and others, in too many cases where public health inquiries where we say— where public health inquiries where we say we — where public health inquiries where we say we will learn lessons and if we say we will learn lessons and if we find _ we say we will learn lessons and if we find it — we say we will learn lessons and if we find it happens again and again and again — we find it happens again and again and aain., ., ., , and again. julian, i am interested to hear from _ and again. julian, i am interested to hear from you _ and again. julian, i am interested to hear from you about _ and again. julian, i am interested to hear from you about resource l and again. julian, i am interested - to hear from you about resource and, whether it is resourcing or policy and practice, but let me bring in scarlett first, with your polling

hat on, what can we say about public opinion at the trust people have in public services, what does your polling tell us?— public services, what does your polling tell us? people are slightly more optimistic _ polling tell us? people are slightly more optimistic than _ polling tell us? people are slightly more optimistic than they - polling tell us? people are slightly more optimistic than they were i polling tell us? people are slightly i more optimistic than they were under the last— more optimistic than they were under the last iteration _ more optimistic than they were under the last iteration of the _ the last iteration of the conservative _ the last iteration of the - conservative government, but the last iteration of the _ conservative government, but they are stitt— conservative government, but they are still very— conservative government, but they are still very pessimistic— conservative government, but they are still very pessimistic about - conservative government, but they are still very pessimistic about the i are still very pessimistic about the state _ are still very pessimistic about the state of— are still very pessimistic about the state of public— are still very pessimistic about the state of public services _ are still very pessimistic about the state of public services and - are still very pessimistic about the state of public services and aboutl state of public services and about them _ state of public services and about them getting _ state of public services and about them getting better. _ state of public services and about them getting better. actually, i state of public services and aboutl them getting better. actually, you talk to— them getting better. actually, you talk to anyone _ them getting better. actually, you talk to anyone and _ them getting better. actually, you talk to anyone and a _ them getting better. actually, you talk to anyone and a focus - talk to anyone and a focus group, but also in — talk to anyone and a focus group, but also in personal— talk to anyone and a focus group, but also in personal lives, - talk to anyone and a focus group, but also in personal lives, as - talk to anyone and a focus group, but also in personal lives, as i'ml but also in personal lives, as i'm sure the — but also in personal lives, as i'm sure the rest— but also in personal lives, as i'm sure the rest of— but also in personal lives, as i'm sure the rest of the panellists i but also in personal lives, as i'ml sure the rest of the panellists will know _ sure the rest of the panellists will know. every— sure the rest of the panellists will know, every single _ sure the rest of the panellists will know, every single person - 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man who clearly had a very bad mental health problems, who. mental health problems, who assaulted _ mental health problems, who assaulted me _ mental health problems, who assaulted me on _ mental health problems, who assaulted me on the - mental health problems, who assaulted me on the tube. i. mental health problems, who. assaulted me on the tube. ijust mental health problems, who- assaulted me on the tube. ijust say that to _ assaulted me on the tube. ijust say that to underline _ assaulted me on the tube. ijust say that to underline the _ assaulted me on the tube. ijust say that to underline the fact _ assaulted me on the tube. ijust say that to underline the fact that - that to underline the fact that everyone _ that to underline the fact that everyone has— that to underline the fact that everyone has a _ that to underline the fact that everyone has a story - that to underline the fact that everyone has a story about i that to underline the fact that. everyone has a story about these things— everyone has a story about these things not— everyone has a story about these things not working. _ everyone has a story about these things not working. i— everyone has a story about these things not working. i know- everyone has a story about these things not working. i know will. everyone has a story about these - things not working. i know will come onto this in — things not working. i know will come onto this in the — things not working. i know will come onto this in the next _ things not working. i know will come onto this in the next discussion, - onto this in the next discussion, but i _ onto this in the next discussion, but i think— onto this in the next discussion, but i think that _ onto this in the next discussion, but i think that is _ onto this in the next discussion, but i think that is one _ onto this in the next discussion, but i think that is one of- onto this in the next discussion, but i think that is one of the big| but i think that is one of the big thing _ but i think that is one of the big thing is — but i think that is one of the big thing is that— but i think that is one of the big thing is that the _ but i think that is one of the big thing is that the labour- but i think that is one of the big - thing is that the labour government, people _ thing is that the labour government, people are _ thing is that the labour government, people are on — thing is that the labour government, people are on the _ thing is that the labour government,

people are on the same _ thing is that the labour government, people are on the same page - thing is that the labour government, people are on the same page as - people are on the same page as rachel— people are on the same page as rachel reeves, _ people are on the same page as rachel reeves, saying - people are on the same page as rachel reeves, saying there - people are on the same page as rachel reeves, saying there is i people are on the same page as i rachel reeves, saying there is no money, _ rachel reeves, saying there is no money, people— rachel reeves, saying there is no money, people agree _ rachel reeves, saying there is no money, people agree with - rachel reeves, saying there is no money, people agree with that, l rachel reeves, saying there is nol money, people agree with that, by then that _ money, people agree with that, by then that is — money, people agree with that, by then that is this _ money, people agree with that, by then that is this sort of, _ money, people agree with that, by then that is this sort of, how - money, people agree with that, by then that is this sort of, how do i then that is this sort of, how do you square _ then that is this sort of, how do you square the _ then that is this sort of, how do you square the circle _ then that is this sort of, how do you square the circle of- you square the circle of public services — you square the circle of public services being _ you square the circle of public services being on— you square the circle of public services being on their- you square the circle of public services being on their kneesl services being on their knees and are not— services being on their knees and are not being _ services being on their knees and are not being much _ services being on their knees and are not being much money- services being on their knees and are not being much money to- services being on their knees and are not being much money to fixl services being on their knees and l are not being much money to fix it? and, _ are not being much money to fix it? and. julian, — are not being much money to fix it? and, julian, when _ are not being much money to fix it? and, julian, when it— are not being much money to fix it? and, julian, when it comes - are not being much money to fix it? and, julian, when it comes to- are not being much money to fix it? and, julian, when it comes to this l and, julian, when it comes to this case, do you think was about underfunding or is it more of an issue about policy and practice? clearly underfunding is an issue. mental health services could do with a lot better funding. mental health services could do with a lot betterfunding. i do question whether the funding, the money they're spending at the moment is in they're spending at the moment is in the right place because it seems that a lot of the funding is going on wellness campaigns, where is it seems to be the people with serious mental illnesses are at the bottom of the barrel. we are not getting assertive outreach teams which would potentially stop or prevent a lot of these cases. we see the work that they do in generic community med i'll services and sometimes people are lucky to see a psychiatrist once every six months. that is not safe. we were talking about how this government plans to make it harder to detain people, jon ashworth, i

wonder, is this the moment to do that under this mental health act? the mental health act reform has been something that she has had cross—party support for some years now. it was based on a review by someone called simon westley, who was a very respected figure in the mental health world, a former president of the royal college of psychiatrists. i did command cross—party support. it is an act which does need modernising. i mean, the way in which elements of the mental health, the regime around how people are sectioned, some of it is from another era. not quite the victorian times, but might as well be an aspect of it. however, obviously there is a point, there is a problem where people who need service treatment are not accessing it, and if they are not accessing service treatment, how does society respond? too often it is becoming an issue for the criminal justice

system. every constituency mp, certainly when i was an mp in leicester, knows of stories of the police being called out for people who are in crisis because the mental health services can clearly not deal with them. that is a problem because people are not getting the treatment they need from the nhs. 0ften people are not getting the treatment they need from the nhs. often it is emergency services, police and emergency services, police and emergency services, police and emergency services who are stepping in. that's not what they are designed to do.— in. that's not what they are designed to do. jon, you say it is not victorian, _ designed to do. jon, you say it is not victorian, but _ designed to do. jon, you say it is not victorian, but an _ designed to do. jon, you say it is not victorian, but an area - designed to do. jon, you say it is not victorian, but an area was i not victorian, but an area was closed — not victorian, but an area was closed down in my area only 20 years a-o closed down in my area only 20 years ago when _ closed down in my area only 20 years ago when i _ closed down in my area only 20 years ago when i was a local councillor. we have — ago when i was a local councillor. we have changed drastically how we treat people or in the community, but you have then got out the measures— but you have then got out the measures to keep them safe but also we are _ measures to keep them safe but also we are talking about three deaths a yeari _ we are talking about three deaths a year. three — we are talking about three deaths a year, three families that have been affected _ year, three families that have been affected by this, and the three injured — affected by this, and the three injured people and their families as welli _ injured people and their families as well, the _ injured people and their families as well, the repercussions of that, we have got— well, the repercussions of that, we have got have that safety night. the bi est have got have that safety night. iis: biggest thing have got have that safety night. tis: biggest thing is that calocane is only now getting the treatment he should have had before. why has it

taken a tragedy for him to get the treatment he needed? and macro scarlett, where is the public on this, in terms of this proposed bill, is it in line with public attitudes?— bill, is it in line with public attitudes? �* , ,, .,~ ,, attitudes? broadly speaking, ithink --eole are attitudes? broadly speaking, ithink people are quite _ attitudes? broadly speaking, ithink people are quite open _ attitudes? broadly speaking, ithink people are quite open and - attitudes? broadly speaking, ithink people are quite open and very - people are quite open and very tolerant about _ people are quite open and very tolerant about mental health i tolerant about mental health problems, but— tolerant about mental health problems, but they do - tolerant about mental health i problems, but they do not like tolerant about mental health - problems, but they do not like the idea of— problems, but they do not like the idea of people _ problems, but they do not like the idea of people who _ problems, but they do not like the idea of people who are _ problems, but they do not like the idea of people who are dangerousl idea of people who are dangerous being _ idea of people who are dangerous being out— idea of people who are dangerous being out and _ idea of people who are dangerous being out and about _ idea of people who are dangerous being out and about and - idea of people who are dangerous being out and about and people i idea of people who are dangerous i being out and about and people that are dangerous — being out and about and people that are dangerous to _ being out and about and people that are dangerous to themselves - being out and about and people that are dangerous to themselves and i are dangerous to themselves and crucially— are dangerous to themselves and crucially also _ are dangerous to themselves and crucially also dangerous - are dangerous to themselves and crucially also dangerous to - are dangerous to themselves and crucially also dangerous to otheri crucially also dangerous to other people — crucially also dangerous to other people. so — crucially also dangerous to other people. so i _ crucially also dangerous to other people. so i think— crucially also dangerous to other people. so i think something - crucially also dangerous to otherl people. so i think something that balances — people. so i think something that balances that— people. so i think something that balances that will be _ people. so i think something that balances that will be crucial. - people. so i think something that balances that will be crucial. thank ou all for balances that will be crucial. thank you all for talking _ balances that will be crucial. thank you all for talking about _ balances that will be crucial. thank you all for talking about that - balances that will be crucial. thank you all for talking about that very l you all for talking about that very difficult subject. you can watch the panorama report into the medical interventions that could have been made with valdo calocane in full on bbc iplayer. a new government can be defined by its first spending review, and this government has officially begun the process, with a letter from the chief secretary to the treasury to cabinet colleagues, asking them to look for cost savings. labour's message before the election was that the country is broken and needs fixing, as long as tough fiscal rules were met.

here is rachel reeves talking on this programme to nick watt in april. at the beginning, we're not going to be able to turn everything around straightaway. but our plan to grow the economy, built on a rock of economic stability with a tough set of fiscal rules that i will adhere to as chancellor, will start to turn around our economy so that living standards improve. we'll get growth and prosperity in all parts of the country. fast forward to last week, rachel reeves was in the us and canada selling the message that britain is open for business, and the times' economics editor mehreen khan was one of the journalists on the trip. welcome to newsnight. that must have been interesting. the treasury has fired the starting gun to ask departments to come up with plans for savings. departments to come up with plans forsavings. if departments to come up with plans for savings. if you look in your crystal ball, what do you think the

top choices are we will see in the interim budget?— interim budget? good question. rachel reeves _ interim budget? good question. rachel reeves was _ interim budget? good question. rachel reeves was a _ interim budget? good question. rachel reeves was a bit - interim budget? good question. - rachel reeves was a bit tight-lipped rachel reeves was a bit tight—lipped on this trip and it was more about telling the uk to the world rather than revealing to the business community her plans, but myjob is using a process of elimination to work out what might be happening, so rachel reeves is ruled out a lot, we know the big three of income tax, vat, national insurance are not going to be raised at her first autumn statement, which leaves us with a category of other taxes, like a business tax, perhaps inheritance tax, stamp duty, things she had let herself with and will for speculating on how much they could raise. ., ,., speculating on how much they could raise. ., ., , speculating on how much they could raise. ., .,, ., . ., speculating on how much they could raise. ., ., . ., ., speculating on how much they could raise. ., ., , ., , raise. labour has a wizard no plans to raise taxes _ raise. labour has a wizard no plans to raise taxes and _ raise. labour has a wizard no plans to raise taxes and that the - raise. labour has a wizard no plans to raise taxes and that the fiscal i to raise taxes and that the fiscal rules were non—negotiable but it does appear they are prepared to change on both? the does appear they are prepared to change on both?— does appear they are prepared to change on both? the fiscal rules are non-negotiable _ change on both? the fiscal rules are non-negotiable at _ change on both? the fiscal rules are non-negotiable at a _ change on both? the fiscal rules are non-negotiable at a headline - change on both? the fiscal rules are non-negotiable at a headline level i non—negotiable at a headline level because rachel reeves has been happy to inherit them from jeremy don, the

big one being that overfive to inherit them from jeremy don, the big one being that over five years the debt. she needs to meet the targets every times before she stands up for the parliament. but the headline stays and she categorical she's going to keep the fiscal rules because she thinks that what the markets want to hear and makes the business community feel good, but there is some fiscal jiggery—pokery we good, but there is some fiscal iiggery—pokery we think good, but there is some fiscal jiggery-pokery we think she good, but there is some fiscal jiggery—pokery we think she will play with, the idea of perhaps changing the measure of the debt, so the particular form of debt ratios uses. some will see it as a change of the goal posts but i think, given she has conferences of so much by keeping this fiscal straitjacket, this slightly cynical change of measurements is just the sort of thing that politicians have to do and dope no purer in business in a few years. and dope no purer in business in a few ears. ., and dope no purer in business in a few years— few years. you are out there with her for the _ few years. you are out there with her for the she _ few years. you are out there with her for the she was _ few years. you are out there with her for the she was trying - few years. you are out there with her for the she was trying to i few years. you are out there with her for the she was trying to get l her for the she was trying to get foreign investment but at the same time people across the world were watching scenes of rights across the uk. what was the reaction of

investors?— uk. what was the reaction of investors? , , ., ., , investors? very strange, it was clear that _ investors? very strange, it was clear that it _ investors? very strange, it was clear that it was the _ investors? very strange, it was clear that it was the first - investors? very strange, it was clear that it was the first and i investors? very strange, it was i clear that it was the first and she was asked about, not her fiscal plans or the spending review but what the hell is going on in the uk, and we know people at elon musk on social media were stoking the idea of the uk in turmoil and she happened to lead or perhaps the worst day for financial markets in two years, so the idea of stability was landing quite a strange place and it was notable that, on the morning we landed in toronto, the canadian government at the little warning to citizens advising against violence and riots in the uk, and those of the sort of diplomatic faux pas she wouldn't have seen when she booked the trip. plant chemical in terms of how investors view her as chancellor and her role, was going to happen in future with our economy how do you view that? this to happen in future with our economy how do you view that?— how do you view that? this trip was the accumulation _ how do you view that? this trip was the accumulation of— how do you view that? this trip was the accumulation of two _ how do you view that? this trip was the accumulation of two or - how do you view that? this trip was the accumulation of two or three i the accumulation of two or three years of intense schmoozing of business. i have seen rachel reeves at davos for the last two years and

she's built up connections with people like mark carney, who she put a good man and a good friend, and she met him in toronto. she has good will and i think because she's built up will and i think because she's built up the scent she's going to be a sensible chancellor, she can play around with things like the debt. let's pick this up. jon ashworth, starting with you, how much is yet more framing by labour to cost unpopular spending decisions? are theyin unpopular spending decisions? are they in that territory? i5 unpopular spending decisions? are they in that territory?— they in that territory? is not a olitical they in that territory? is not a political game _ they in that territory? is not a political game for _ they in that territory? is not a political game for the - they in that territory? is not a political game for the rachell they in that territory? is not a - political game for the rachel reeves and kissed, and the top labour team were genuinely stopped at the state of the public finances they inherited, not the point that everybody knew the position in the economy was not golden, that we were dealing with the tailwinds from the liz truss budget and so on, but when she got in there and started looking under the bonnet, finding out for

example that the big bill that had been built up for the fact we stop processing asylum claims and the government was leaving people in limbo, languishing in hotels, and that money was being paid for from the reserves, billions commit of the reserves, which is supposed to be there for a rainy day the job she has been generally shocked at the state of the inheritance and she's going to have to take some tough decisions to clear up that mess. she's been honoured with the country to dipjah she's been honoured with the country to di-�*g ., �* , ., she's been honoured with the country to dip jon ashworth says, not olitics. to dip jon ashworth says, not politics- edge _ to dip jon ashworth says, not politics. edge of _ to dip jon ashworth says, not politics. edge of course it's i politics. edge of course it's politics. edge of course it's politics dip i remember 2010 we commenced up— politics dip i remember 2010 we commenced u; , , ., , , commenced up these things happen. this happens — commenced up these things happen. this happens when _ commenced up these things happen. this happens when you _ commenced up these things happen. this happens when you come - commenced up these things happen. this happens when you come in and l this happens when you come in and you're _ this happens when you come in and you're trying — this happens when you come in and you're trying to get your story across. — you're trying to get your story across. why not leave the bad news with somebody else, that's clearly what is _ with somebody else, that's clearly what is going to happen, and labour at six _ what is going to happen, and labour at six months or so to talk to the obr_ at six months or so to talk to the obr and — at six months or so to talk to the 0br and treasury officials and john talks about the asylum funding but half the _

talks about the asylum funding but half the funding is the public wage settlement, and one of the worries we have _ settlement, and one of the worries we have to — settlement, and one of the worries we have to look at is the uptick in inflation, — we have to look at is the uptick in inflation, have to see what will happen— inflation, have to see what will happen with those wage settlements as well, _ happen with those wage settlements as well, how that might feed into inflation — as well, how that might feed into inflation. what i hope that the departments will do, and it is the chief— departments will do, and it is the chief secretaries of the treasury but chief secretaries of the treasury hutioh— chief secretaries of the treasury hutioh to — chief secretaries of the treasury butjob to ask chief secretaries of the treasury but job to ask for these cuts and tell people not spent too much, but i tell people not spent too much, but i hope _ tell people not spent too much, but i hope they— tell people not spent too much, but i hope they find the cuts in the right— i hope they find the cuts in the right way— i hope they find the cuts in the right way to dip we have already seen _ right way to dip we have already seen to— right way to dip we have already seen to cuts to the rail programme, investment— seen to cuts to the rail programme, investment programmes, a pause on hospital— investment programmes, a pause on hospital building and an compute in edinburgh _ hospital building and an compute in edinburgh but we need to have stuff that signifies the growth they will talking _ that signifies the growth they will talking about in the campaign. scarlett — talking about in the campaign. scarlett maguire, who to the public blame for the state of public finances and how long had labour got before they feel the ire?—

before they feel the ire? people feel the conservatives _ before they feel the ire? people feel the conservatives left i before they feel the ire? people feel the conservatives left the i feel the conservatives left the economy— feel the conservatives left the economy in— feel the conservatives left the economy in a _ feel the conservatives left the economy in a bad _ feel the conservatives left the economy in a bad way. - feel the conservatives left the economy in a bad way. only. feel the conservatives left the i economy in a bad way. only one in ten people — economy in a bad way. only one in ten people pick— economy in a bad way. only one in ten people pick the _ economy in a bad way. only one in ten people pick the conservativesl ten people pick the conservatives left in _ ten people pick the conservatives left in a _ ten people pick the conservatives left in a good _ ten people pick the conservatives left in a good state. _ ten people pick the conservatives left in a good state. but- ten people pick the conservatives left in a good state. but even- ten people pick the conservatives left in a good state. but even at i left in a good state. but even at the moment, _ left in a good state. but even at the moment, voters— left in a good state. but even at the moment, voters are - left in a good state. but even at the moment, voters are split, i left in a good state. but even atl the moment, voters are split, so labour— the moment, voters are split, so labour are — the moment, voters are split, so labour are not— the moment, voters are split, so labour are not being _ the moment, voters are split, so labour are not being given- the moment, voters are split, so labour are not being given the i labour are not being given the benefit — labour are not being given the benefit of _ labour are not being given the benefit of the _ labour are not being given the benefit of the doubt _ labour are not being given the benefit of the doubt over- labour are not being given the benefit of the doubt over theirj benefit of the doubt over their responsibility— benefit of the doubt over their responsibility for— benefit of the doubt over their responsibility for tax- benefit of the doubt over their responsibility for tax rises i benefit of the doubt over their| responsibility for tax rises that come — responsibility for tax rises that come potentially— responsibility for tax rises that come potentially down - responsibility for tax rises that come potentially down the i responsibility for tax rises that i come potentially down the line. so responsibility for tax rises that - come potentially down the line. sol think they— come potentially down the line. sol think they are — come potentially down the line. sol think they are running _ come potentially down the line. sol think they are running out _ come potentially down the line. sol think they are running out of- come potentially down the line. sol think they are running out of that i think they are running out of that honeymoon — think they are running out of that honeymoon period _ think they are running out of that honeymoon period they - think they are running out of that honeymoon period they have i think they are running out of that honeymoon period they have to i think they are running out of that i honeymoon period they have to make unpopular decisions, _ honeymoon period they have to make unpopular decisions, but _ honeymoon period they have to make unpopular decisions, but this comes i unpopular decisions, but this comes back to _ unpopular decisions, but this comes back to the — unpopular decisions, but this comes back to the fact _ unpopular decisions, but this comes back to the fact that _ unpopular decisions, but this comes back to the fact that they're - unpopular decisions, but this comes back to the fact that they're in - back to the fact that they're in a tricky— back to the fact that they're in a tricky spot— back to the fact that they're in a tricky spot and _ back to the fact that they're in a tricky spot and they _ back to the fact that they're in a tricky spot and they know- back to the fact that they're in a tricky spot and they know they i back to the fact that they're in a i tricky spot and they know they are. it's tricky spot and they know they are. it's part— tricky spot and they know they are. it's part of— tricky spot and they know they are. it's part of the _ tricky spot and they know they are. it's part of the reason _ tricky spot and they know they are. it's part of the reason why - tricky spot and they know they are. it's part of the reason why the - it's part of the reason why the conservatives _ it's part of the reason why the conservatives got— it's part of the reason why the conservatives got into - it's part of the reason why the conservatives got into such i it's part of the reason why the conservatives got into such ai it's part of the reason why the - conservatives got into such a state, because _ conservatives got into such a state, because the — conservatives got into such a state, because the public— conservatives got into such a state, because the public are tricky - conservatives got into such a state, because the public are tricky on i because the public are tricky on this anyway _ because the public are tricky on this anyway. you _ because the public are tricky on this anyway. you still— because the public are tricky on this anyway. you still get - because the public are tricky on this anyway. you still get more| this anyway. you still get more people — this anyway. you still get more people saying _ this anyway. you still get more people saying they would - this anyway. you still get more| people saying they would rather this anyway. you still get more - people saying they would rather have tax rises _ people saying they would rather have tax rises to fund _ people saying they would rather have tax rises to fund public— people saying they would rather have tax rises to fund public services - tax rises to fund public services but when — tax rises to fund public services but when you _ tax rises to fund public services but when you get _ tax rises to fund public services but when you get down - tax rises to fund public services but when you get down to the i but when you get down to the reality, it's _ but when you get down to the reality, it's quite _ but when you get down to the reality, it's quite different. i but when you get down to the i reality, it's quite different. there are people — reality, it's quite different. there are people at _ reality, it's quite different. there are people at the _ reality, it's quite different. there are people at the moment- reality, it's quite different. there are people at the moment we i reality, it's quite different. there . are people at the moment we think taxes _ are people at the moment we think taxes should — are people at the moment we think taxes should be _ are people at the moment we think taxes should be increased - are people at the moment we think taxes should be increased or- taxes should be increased or reduced. _ taxes should be increased or reduced, they— taxes should be increased or reduced, they are _ taxes should be increased or reduced, they are more - taxes should be increased orl reduced, they are more likely taxes should be increased or- reduced, they are more likely to say that should be — reduced, they are more likely to say that should be reduced, _ reduced, they are more likely to say that should be reduced, and - reduced, they are more likely to say that should be reduced, and a - that should be reduced, and a bigger chunk_ that should be reduced, and a bigger chunk say— that should be reduced, and a bigger chunk say they should _ that should be reduced, and a bigger chunk say they should be _ that should be reduced, and a bigger chunk say they should be left the - chunk say they should be left the same if— chunk say they should be left the same if you _ chunk say they should be left the same. if you ask _ chunk say they should be left the same. if you ask people - chunk say they should be left the same. if you ask people whether| same. if you ask people whether they think the _ same. if you ask people whether they think the labour— same. if you ask people whether they think the labour government - same. if you ask people whether they think the labour government are - think the labour government are going _ think the labour government are going to — think the labour government are going to raise _

think the labour government are going to raise taxes _ think the labour government are going to raise taxes and - going to raise taxes and whether that would — going to raise taxes and whether that would be _ going to raise taxes and whether that would be bad _ going to raise taxes and whether that would be bad or— going to raise taxes and whether that would be bad or good, - going to raise taxes and whether i that would be bad or good, people think— that would be bad or good, people think they— that would be bad or good, people think they wilt— that would be bad or good, people think they will and _ that would be bad or good, people think they will and they— that would be bad or good, people think they will and they are - that would be bad or good, people think they will and they are much i think they will and they are much more _ think they will and they are much more likely— think they will and they are much more likely to _ think they will and they are much more likely to think— think they will and they are much more likely to think that's - think they will and they are much more likely to think that's a - think they will and they are much more likely to think that's a bad i more likely to think that's a bad idea at— more likely to think that's a bad idea at the _ more likely to think that's a bad idea at the moment. _ more likely to think that's a bad idea at the moment. you - more likely to think that's a bad idea at the moment. you also . more likely to think that's a bad i idea at the moment. you also have the flip— idea at the moment. you also have the flip side, — idea at the moment. you also have the flip side, which— idea at the moment. you also have the flip side, which is, _ idea at the moment. you also have the flip side, which is, ok, - idea at the moment. you also have the flip side, which is, ok, fine, i the flip side, which is, ok, fine, you think— the flip side, which is, ok, fine, you think public _ the flip side, which is, ok, fine, you think public services, - the flip side, which is, ok, fine, you think public services, therei you think public services, there should — you think public services, there should be — you think public services, there should be public— you think public services, there should be public funding? - you think public services, there should be public funding? thisl you think public services, there should be public funding? this is all controversial? _ should be public funding? this is all controversial? people - should be public funding? this is all controversial? people say - should be public funding? this is all controversial? people say it'si all controversial? people say it's been done _ all controversial? people say it's been done in _ all controversial? people say it's been done in an unfair— all controversial? people say it's been done in an unfair way - all controversial? people say it's been done in an unfair way and l all controversial? people say it's been done in an unfair way and i | been done in an unfair way and i think— been done in an unfair way and i think that's _ been done in an unfair way and i think that's going _ been done in an unfair way and i think that's going to _ been done in an unfair way and i think that's going to happen - been done in an unfair way and i think that's going to happen noi think that's going to happen no matter— think that's going to happen no matter what— think that's going to happen no matter what you _ think that's going to happen no matter what you do so - think that's going to happen no matter what you do so is - think that's going to happen no. matter what you do so is choosing this unpopular— matter what you do so is choosing this unpopular decisions _ matter what you do so is choosing this unpopular decisions and - matter what you do so is choosing this unpopular decisions and to i this unpopular decisions and to bring _ this unpopular decisions and to bring people _ this unpopular decisions and to bring people with _ this unpopular decisions and to bring people with you. - this unpopular decisions and to bring people with you. [- this unpopular decisions and to bring people with you.- this unpopular decisions and to bring people with you. i clean there ma be bring people with you. i clean there may be some _ bring people with you. i clean there may be some tweaks _ bring people with you. i clean there may be some tweaks to _ bring people with you. i clean there may be some tweaks to the - bring people with you. i clean there may be some tweaks to the fiscal. may be some tweaks to the fiscal rules. rachel reeves was saying it may be negotiable, so she straight with the electorate? the may be negotiable, so she straight with the electorate?— may be negotiable, so she straight with the electorate? the good people of leicester square are _ with the electorate? the good people of leicester square are putting me i of leicester square are putting me in a position where i am no longer preppy to this conversation. desperate less to sell. i know there has been speculation about the change in the fiscal i would be surprised about that. i'm not

involved in this conversation. due? it's not involved in this conversation. due? it's not changing — involved in this conversation. due? it's not changing the _ involved in this conversation. due? it's not changing the fiscal- involved in this conversation. due? it's not changing the fiscal rules, . it's not changing the fiscal rules, it's changing the debt measure and if she _ it's changing the debt measure and if she does— it's changing the debt measure and if she does what we think she might do. she _ if she does what we think she might do. she get— if she does what we think she might do, she get £16 million. 30 if she does what we think she might do, she get £16 million.— do, she get £16 million. so that is hidin: do, she get £16 million. so that is hiding between — do, she get £16 million. so that is hiding between fiscal— hiding between fiscal jiggery—pokery? if hiding between fiscal jiggery-pokery? hiding between fiscal 'ine -oke ? ., . ., jiggery-pokery? if you are changing the debt management _ jiggery-pokery? if you are changing the debt management role, - jiggery-pokery? if you are changing the debt management role, that's l jiggery-pokery? if you are changing i the debt management role, that's not changing what you can do all day—to—day current spend, as capital spend. day-to-day current spend, as capital send. ., , day-to-day current spend, as capital send. .,, , day-to-day current spend, as capital send. , ., spend. the most biting part of the fiscal rules — spend. the most biting part of the fiscal rules is _ spend. the most biting part of the fiscal rules is the _ spend. the most biting part of the fiscal rules is the debt. _ spend. the most biting part of the fiscal rules is the debt. this - spend. the most biting part of the fiscal rules is the debt. this is - fiscal rules is the debt. this is how— fiscal rules is the debt. this is how to — fiscal rules is the debt. this is how to think about bank losses. i think— how to think about bank losses. i think it's — how to think about bank losses. i think it's a — how to think about bank losses. i think it's a cheap way to get a lot of ntoney— think it's a cheap way to get a lot of money quickly and nobody really understands it.— understands it. imagine the polling where ou understands it. imagine the polling where you suddenly _ understands it. imagine the polling where you suddenly magic - understands it. imagine the polling where you suddenly magic up 16 i where you suddenly magic up 16 billion quid _ where you suddenly magic up 16 billion quid from _ where you suddenly magic up 16 billion quid from behind - where you suddenly magic up 16 billion quid from behind the - where you suddenly magic up 16. billion quid from behind the sofa. and all— billion quid from behind the sofa. and all of— billion quid from behind the sofa. and all of this — billion quid from behind the sofa. and all of this is _ billion quid from behind the sofa. and all of this is because - billion quid from behind the sofa. and all of this is because she - and all of this is because she decided to keep the debt room, which

doesn't make sense in the first place, which forces them to do strange things because of that initial decision.— strange things because of that initial decision. it feels like this chancellor _ initial decision. it feels like this chancellor is _ initial decision. it feels like this chancellor is creditworthy - initial decision. it feels like this chancellor is creditworthy she l initial decision. it feels like this| chancellor is creditworthy she is perceived as more creditworthy than the conservatives.— the conservatives. everybody was lookin: for the conservatives. everybody was looking for the _ the conservatives. everybody was looking for the election, - the conservatives. everybody was looking for the election, to - the conservatives. everybody was looking for the election, to get i the conservatives. everybody was looking for the election, to get it | looking for the election, to get it ovei’, _ looking for the election, to get it over. it _ looking for the election, to get it over, it was clearly a punishment election. — over, it was clearly a punishment election, and now there is goodwill for the _ election, and now there is goodwill for the labour government from most quarters _ for the labour government from most quarters it's— for the labour government from most quarters. it's important, iam not in parliament either, but that's my choice. _ in parliament either, but that's my choice. but — in parliament either, but that's my choice, but the people are there to hold the _ choice, but the people are there to hold the labour government to account, — hold the labour government to account, because that's what i'm talking about. we have to have this growth _ talking about. we have to have this growth because it is good for all of us. growth because it is good for all of us its— growth because it is good for all of us it's no— growth because it is good for all of us. it's no good opposing for opposition's sake. thank things. to become _ opposition's sake. thank things. to become clear in the budget in the autunrn — three and a half years ago, after the attack on the us capitol, twitter suspended donald trump's account. in a sign of how much has changed, in just over two hours' time,

elon musk, the billionaire who bought the platform and renamed it, will interview the presidential candidate live on x. in case you missed it, he's already said he's backing trump for the white house. donald trump began posting again today on x. this was his first post. we will rout the fake news media and we liberate _ we will rout the fake news media and we liberate america from these villains— we liberate america from these villains once and for all. his usual s le ti villains once and for all. his usual style tip scarlett, _ villains once and for all. his usual style tip scarlett, albert - villains once and for all. his usual style tip scarlett, albert and - villains once and for all. his usual style tip scarlett, albert and pat l style tip scarlett, albert and pat does x have on public opinion? can it swing elections?— it swing elections? people are always prone _ it swing elections? people are always prone to _ it swing elections? people are always prone to overstating i it swing elections? people are - always prone to overstating about websites' impact. you can ask elon musk in a few months but also people who thought that england was definitely going to remain in the eu, we have seen time and again it is not representative of public opinion to it tends to be people who

are very highly engaged and have already made up their mind. i think is interesting we are getting this elon musk donald trump show on twitter because a lot of republicans agree getting banned from twitter was one of the best things to happen to trump, so i think it's interesting he has decided to come back, that he is wide enough to come back. ~ . . ~ back, that he is wide enough to come back. . ., ., ~' ., , ., back. when we are talking about riahts back. when we are talking about ri . hts and back. when we are talking about rights and the _ back. when we are talking about rights and the trolling _ back. when we are talking about rights and the trolling as - back. when we are talking about rights and the trolling as we - rights and the trolling as we could put it, of keir starmer by elon musk, do you think keir starmer and labour should still be on that platform?— platform? there are labour and conservative _ platform? there are labour and conservative mps _ platform? there are labour and conservative mps on the - platform? there are labour and l conservative mps on the platform because _ conservative mps on the platform because it's an important way to communicate intojournalists because it's an important way to communicate into journalists and opinion— communicate into journalists and opinion formers. but elon musk is an attention— opinion formers. but elon musk is an attention seeking buffoon, isn't he, who is— attention seeking buffoon, isn't he, who is pick— attention seeking buffoon, isn't he, who is pick a — attention seeking buffoon, isn't he, who is pick a route that was going on in _ who is pick a route that was going on in the — who is pick a route that was going on in the uk, saying on the brink of civil war—

on in the uk, saying on the brink of civil war i _ on in the uk, saying on the brink of civil war i hope you tweet that antakya — civil war i hope you tweet that antakya in it for the salute we are getting _ antakya in it for the salute we are getting worked up about what he says _ getting worked up about what he says we — getting worked up about what he says. we shouldn't be worked up about— says. we shouldn't be worked up about what he says, we should be worked _ about what he says, we should be worked up — about what he says, we should be worked up about his algorithms, which _ worked up about his algorithms, which are — worked up about his algorithms, which are deliberately promoting racist, _ which are deliberately promoting racist, homophobic, far right, incendiary— racist, homophobic, far right, incendiary material, and that is a problem — incendiary material, and that is a problem. that is an issue that we had to— problem. that is an issue that we had to deal— problem. that is an issue that we had to deal with it. i'm not an expert — had to deal with it. i'm not an exaert you _ had to deal with it. i'm not an expert. you might have more informed opinions _ expert. you might have more informed opinions on the about how to fix it but, _ opinions on the about how to fix it but. when — opinions on the about how to fix it but, when you look at what is going on on _ but, when you look at what is going on on this— but, when you look at what is going on on this platform, it is clearly influencing people's behaviour on the street— influencing people's behaviour on the street and not in a good way. he'd _ the street and not in a good way. he'd say— the street and not in a good way. he'd say it — the street and not in a good way. he'd say it was facilitating free speech. he'd say it was facilitating free seech. . .,,, he'd say it was facilitating free seech. . , . speech. cross when i became tech minister, speech. cross when i became tech minister. we _ speech. cross when i became tech minister, we were _ speech. cross when i became tech minister, we were ditching the - minister, we were ditching the harmful issue and we couldn't get the balance right between freedom of speech and having a child protection bill to keep people safe on twitter and other platforms and wider. you can't police the internet. that's the first thing to the any

politician, whether it's keir starmer, the conservatives, says there are going to pass this law and everything will be fine, you can't do it, but you have to have a sensible balance and realise that x and twitter is almost part of its day. it's the mass media a lot of the agitators have moved to hello—macro and the other platforms. it's plain white commode. hello-macro and the other platforms. it's plain white commode.— it's plain white commode. scarlett, and it comes _ it's plain white commode. scarlett, and it comes to _ it's plain white commode. scarlett, and it comes to voting _ it's plain white commode. scarlett, and it comes to voting intentions i and it comes to voting intentions you have a new poll? it’s and it comes to voting intentions you have a new poll?— you have a new poll? it's coming out. it builds _ you have a new poll? it's coming out. it builds on _ you have a new poll? it's coming out. it builds on things _ you have a new poll? it's coming out. it builds on things from - you have a new poll? it's coming. out. it builds on things from other pollsters, which is that kamala harris is taking the nomination for the democrats has reinvigorated the base and improved her standing with independence and it's gone from a race which was definitely looking like donald trump to lose to we will see if she continues the momentum to become the clear favourite. pauli

become the clear favourite. paul scull , become the clear favourite. paul scully, who _ become the clear favourite. paul scully, who do — become the clear favourite. paul scully, who do you _ become the clear favourite. paul scully, who do you want to be president?— scully, who do you want to be resident? . �* , ., ., , president? that's not for me. plus, robertjenrick_ president? that's not for me. plus, robert jenrick says _ president? that's not for me. plus, robert jenrick says he _ president? that's not for me. plus, robert jenrick says he supports - robertjenrick says he supports donald — robertjenrick says he supports donald trump. i think 3.5 million people _ donald trump. i think 3.5 million people so— donald trump. i think 3.5 million people so we called donald trump an idiot the _ people so we called donald trump an idiot the first time he stood. what do you _ idiot the first time he stood. what do you make of robertjenrick supporting him? is up to him. i think— supporting him? is up to him. i think people will decide on that. in think people will decide on that. in about think people will decide on that. about two think people will decide on that. in about two hours, we shall watch the interview with i am sure limiting insights from donald trump and elon musk. let's take a quick look at a few of the stories on the front pages. speaking to the financial times as various stories including about an indian telecoms tycoon shown straight in britain, perhaps growth? uk plan to evacuate british nationals in israel if iran triggers more. the daily mirror, that's the

story we have been focusing on tonight,