to star in the little rain to star in the south—east corner. that will clear. then it is some sunny spells but also some showers. plenty of showers, some heavy ones and thundery ones particularly in the north—west of scotland. it is going to be windy, unseasonably windy. those winds picking up across parts of northern ireland, western scotland and into north—west england at those temperatures are really no great shakes for august. 14 to maybe 23 in eastern england. tomorrow night, things will quieten down briefly but as we head into wednesday, their slump of heavy rain works its way and across northern ireland, scotland, parts of northern england, north wales, really strong winds. they could touch gale force across western coast in scotland, more like autumn than summer, 15—22. and there is more to come. as we head into thursday, this frontal system which will contain the remnants of hurricane ernesto, not a

hurricane any more but an injection of moisture and energy, more wet and blustery weather, more wet and windy weather possible on friday as well. lovers of summer likely to be quite disappointed by that forecast. all right, thank for that, ben rich. and that's bbc news at ten. on bbc one, it's time tojoin our colleagues for the news where you are. british tycoon mike lynch and five others are missing after a superyacht sank off the coast of sicily. we hear his extraordinary story and ask what happened. a massive moment for kamala harris, as the democratic convention kicks off in chicago. but what's her pitch to voters? what does she stand for?

hello and welcome to newsnight, home of insights and interviews. more on the democratic convention and kamala harris shortly. on our panel are herformer aide haile soifer, who's in chicago. conservative commentator stephanie hamill. and here in the studio, politics professor, blogger and podcaster ben ansell. but first, to the search operation after a superyacht sank off the north coast of siciliy. 15 people have been rescued. one body has been recovered and six are still missing. they include the tech entrepreneur mike lynch and his 18—year—old daughter, hannah. the tycoon was embarking on what he called his "second life" just two months after he was acquitted in a massive trial in the united states. that was over the multi—billion dollar sale of his company autonomy to hewlett packard.

after a long battle against extradition, and a year of house arrest, he spoke to evan davis on radio 4 a couple of weeks ago. you were acquitted. i can only imagine that was an enormous relief. yes, it is very hard to describe the moment because, in our case, we knew that the prosecution case had fallen apart. we knew we had done a greatjob. but you are reliant on 12 ordinary people. until you hear the words, you can't call it. and at that point, it's indescribable, the way in which you jump between two universes. stewart campbell is the editor—in—chief at the magazine boat international. and this afteroon we were all re—reading a quite amazing profile of mike lynch by the west coast correspondent for the sunday times, danny fortson, who joins us from maryland.

stewart, i will start with you, there has been a lot of casual talk about this being a superyacht today but try to explain to us what this vessel was actually like. at but try to explain to us what this vessel was actually like.- vessel was actually like. at 56 metres, vessel was actually like. at 56 metres. it _ vessel was actually like. at 56 metres, it was _ vessel was actually like. at 56 metres, it was a _ vessel was actually like. at 56 metres, it was a supremely i metres, it was a supremely comfortable boat, sue burke looks us with all the accommodation and appointment you would expect, it was appointment you would expect, it was a beautiful vessel made for supremely comfortable travelling over the oceans. that was what it was really for, a transoceanic vessel and supremely capable point should it have been able to withstand some rough weather? absolutely, they are designed, they have to be designed to withstand extreme weather. this particular event was clearly so violent and sudden and forecasted that it was not expected under the captain would never have put the boat in that they had extreme weather been expected. there was a light offshore breeze forecast and this sudden and immediate and very violent storm had obviously catastrophic consequences. we have been hearing about this

phenomenon known as a waterspout which is a tornado that forms over want water rather than land but do you believe that is what might have happened in this case? that you believe that is what might have happened in this case?— happened in this case? that is certainly what _ happened in this case? that is certainly what eyewitnesses i happened in this case? that is. certainly what eyewitnesses are indicating, as well as nearby boats but it's not uncommon in the mediterranean for violent weather events like this to happen. there was a case just a week ago in formentera with some boats washed ashore. but i've never heard of 856 metre boat being knocked over and sunk by a weather event like this, i've spoken to a lot of industry today and they are similarly as shocked as me. just in utter disbelief that this could happen. and also, hearing about the nationalities of the people currently being searched for or already rescued, people from ireland, canada, new zealand, it's very international business, especially when you look at the start of the boats, let alone the passengers. it start of the boats, let alone the passengers-_ passengers. it is a very international _ passengers. it is a very international business | passengers. it is a very i international business but passengers. it is a very - international business but also a small and tight neat one so everyone in the industry is pretty devastated

today because there are only a few points of separation between the entire community so everyone in the industry would have had some contact, close or otherwise, or slightly to someone on the boat. it is deeply shocking.— slightly to someone on the boat. it is deeply shocking. danny, you spoke at lenath to is deeply shocking. danny, you spoke at length to mike _ is deeply shocking. danny, you spoke at length to mike lynch _ is deeply shocking. danny, you spoke at length to mike lynch about - is deeply shocking. danny, you spoke at length to mike lynch about six - at length to mike lynch about six weeks ago for your piece for the sunday times and he had gone through a decade of fighting his extradition, i3 a decade of fighting his extradition, 13 months under house arrest in san francisco, 12 weeks of his trial, what was he like at that point you saw him? he his trial, what was he like at that point you saw him?— his trial, what was he like at that point you saw him? he was really emotional. _ point you saw him? he was really emotional. to _ point you saw him? he was really emotional, to be _ point you saw him? he was really emotional, to be honest. - point you saw him? he was really emotional, to be honest. as - point you saw him? he was really emotional, to be honest. as you | emotional, to be honest. as you said, _ emotional, to be honest. as you said. he — emotional, to be honest. as you said, he was fighting this case for a decade — said, he was fighting this case for a decade plus and he knew the odds were stacked against him and he was facing _ were stacked against him and he was facing 17 _ were stacked against him and he was facing 17 charges brought by the department ofjustice and if he lost, _ department ofjustice and if he lost, he — department ofjustice and if he lost, he expected to spend up to 25 years— lost, he expected to spend up to 25 years in_ lost, he expected to spend up to 25 years in prison and he had health issues _ years in prison and he had health issues and — years in prison and he had health issues and he told me, if we lost, effectively — issues and he told me, if we lost, effectively i —

issues and he told me, if we lost, effectively i expect to die in prison— effectively i expect to die in prison in— effectively i expect to die in prison in america. so for him to actually— prison in america. so for him to actually win _ prison in america. so for him to actually win the case, he was really grappling _ actually win the case, he was really grappling still with that new reality— grappling still with that new reality as you mentioned, told me he feels like _ reality as you mentioned, told me he feels like he had won a second life and he _ feels like he had won a second life and he was — feels like he had won a second life and he was looking forward to getting — and he was looking forward to getting back to spending time with his family, with his daughters, with his family, with his daughters, with his wife _ his family, with his daughters, with his wife. kind of starting this next chapler— his wife. kind of starting this next chapter in— his wife. kind of starting this next chapter in his life. i�*m his wife. kind of starting this next chapter in his life.— chapter in his life. i'm glad you said that because _ chapter in his life. i'm glad you said that because there - chapter in his life. i'm glad you said that because there were i chapter in his life. i'm glad you i said that because there were quite chapter in his life. i'm glad you - said that because there were quite a few references in your interview to the idea being reborn orfacing death, he talks about the simply to's questions, what you would say to's questions, what you would say to st peter about what you did with your life at the pearly gates but did he spell out to you what he wanted to do with his second life or even talk about going on this trip? he did. this is all kind of unthinkably tragic. as i said, he talked _ unthinkably tragic. as i said, he talked at — unthinkably tragic. as i said, he talked at length about just the toll it had _ talked at length about just the toll it had taken on his family including being _ it had taken on his family including being under house arrest and not being _ being under house arrest and not being able — being under house arrest and not being able to travel, not being able to mourn _ being able to travel, not being able to mourn the passing of his brother

which _ to mourn the passing of his brother which happened last year and also missing _ which happened last year and also missing out on a lot of family time, this time _ missing out on a lot of family time, this time with his daughters. and based _ this time with his daughters. and based on — this time with his daughters. and based on the west coast and had to rush out— based on the west coast and had to rush out to — based on the west coast and had to rush out to interview him because the following day he was about to set off— the following day he was about to set off on — the following day he was about to set off on holiday with his family and i_ set off on holiday with his family and i really got the sense he was trying _ and i really got the sense he was trying to— and i really got the sense he was trying to make up for lost time and again. _ trying to make up for lost time and again, reconnect with his family and friends _ again, reconnect with his family and friends and — again, reconnect with his family and friends. and i guess sailing through the mediterranean. but he wasjust about— the mediterranean. but he wasjust about to _ the mediterranean. but he wasjust about to leave on holiday last month when _ about to leave on holiday last month when i _ about to leave on holiday last month when i met _ about to leave on holiday last month when i met with him. so about to leave on holiday last month when i met with him.— when i met with him. so he was robabl when i met with him. so he was probably going _ when i met with him. so he was probably going to _ when i met with him. so he was probably going to walk - when i met with him. so he was probably going to walk out - when i met with him. so he was probably going to walk out and l when i met with him. so he was - probably going to walk out and start this trip? probably going to walk out and start this tri - ? , probably going to walk out and start this trip? yes. you sat in court and followed a — this trip? yes. you sat in court and followed a lot _ this trip? yes. you sat in court and followed a lot of _ this trip? yes. you sat in court and followed a lot of the _ this trip? yes. you sat in court and followed a lot of the hearings in the trial opened why is it people have said the odds were stacked against him when it came to the americanjustice system against him when it came to the american justice system and that his acquittal was such a far out thing? you had the department ofjustice bringing _ you had the department ofjustice bringing an indictment that was 17 charges, — bringing an indictment that was 17 charges, it— bringing an indictment that was 17 charges, it was a criminal case, and 'ust charges, it was a criminal case, and just by— charges, it was a criminal case, and just by the — charges, it was a criminal case, and just by the numbers, the chances of

a not _ just by the numbers, the chances of a not guilty— just by the numbers, the chances of a not guilty verdict are less than 0.5%. _ a not guilty verdict are less than 0~5%. so— a not guilty verdict are less than 0.5%, so 99.5% more likely he would be found _ 0.5%, so 99.5% more likely he would be found guilty or have to strike a plea _ be found guilty or have to strike a plea and — be found guilty or have to strike a plea. and he told me he spent more than $30 _ plea. and he told me he spent more than $30 million of his own money to mount— than $30 million of his own money to mount his _ than $30 million of his own money to mount his defence, he had an army of lawyers _ mount his defence, he had an army of lawyers to— mount his defence, he had an army of lawyers to help him do that and that is white _ lawyers to help him do that and that is white one of the things he talked about— is white one of the things he talked about with — is white one of the things he talked about with this next chapter was starting — about with this next chapter was starting something like the innocence project, one of these ngos that helps— innocence project, one of these ngos that helps people fight their case if they— that helps people fight their case if they say they are innocent, because _ if they say they are innocent, because the odds are so heavily stacked — because the odds are so heavily stacked against people in these types _ stacked against people in these types of— stacked against people in these types of situations. and stacked against people in these types of situations.— stacked against people in these types of situations. and the reason he had the money _ types of situations. and the reason he had the money to _ types of situations. and the reason he had the money to spend - types of situations. and the reason he had the money to spend on - types of situations. and the reason he had the money to spend on that because it was partly from the sale of his business, autonomy, to hewlett—packard more than a deck ought ago pond autonomy became a household name because of the court case but as a software company it wasn't necessarily a household name in those terms so what did it do and

why is his placed in tech history secure as a result? brute why is his placed in tech history secure as a result?— why is his placed in tech history secure as a result? we are kind of findin: secure as a result? we are kind of finding ourselves _ secure as a result? we are kind of finding ourselves in _ secure as a result? we are kind of finding ourselves in this _ secure as a result? we are kind of finding ourselves in this ai - secure as a result? we are kind of finding ourselves in this ai era, i finding ourselves in this ai era, artificial— finding ourselves in this ai era, artificial intelligence and autonomy was an— artificial intelligence and autonomy was an early forerunner, where it took— was an early forerunner, where it took huge — was an early forerunner, where it took huge amounts of information and used bayesian mathematics, of course the name _ used bayesian mathematics, of course the name of— used bayesian mathematics, of course the name of his boat was bayesian, to make _ the name of his boat was bayesian, to make sense vast amounts of data. it to make sense vast amounts of data. it was _ to make sense vast amounts of data. it was kind _ to make sense vast amounts of data. it was kind of an early forerunner of artificial — it was kind of an early forerunner of artificial intelligence, helping bil of artificial intelligence, helping big companies organise vast amounts of data _ big companies organise vast amounts of data which of course is growing by the _ of data which of course is growing by the day — of data which of course is growing by the day. in that sense, he was really _ by the day. in that sense, he was really ahead of his time and looking forward _ really ahead of his time and looking forward to— really ahead of his time and looking forward to digging back in and investing in more ai companies, helping — investing in more ai companies, helping the next wave of british start-ups— helping the next wave of british start—ups which he was very excited about _ start—ups which he was very excited about and _ start—ups which he was very excited about and we talked about at length. and his _ about and we talked about at length. and his co—defendant in the trial was a guy called stephen chamberlain and we learned tonight that he just died after being hit by a car in the uk on. a lot of potential tragedies

piling up for this extended family. it almost doesn't make sense, you feel this _ it almost doesn't make sense, you feel this is — it almost doesn't make sense, you feel this is some cruel cosmicjoke, that stephen chamberlain, who was a much _ that stephen chamberlain, who was a much lower— that stephen chamberlain, who was a much lower ranked executive and was drawn— much lower ranked executive and was drawn into _ much lower ranked executive and was drawn into the case, he was on trial with mike _ drawn into the case, he was on trial with mike lynch throughout the 12 weeks _ with mike lynch throughout the 12 weeks in — with mike lynch throughout the 12 weeks in san francisco and also fighting — weeks in san francisco and also fighting it — weeks in san francisco and also fighting it for years. and told he was hit — fighting it for years. and told he was hit by— fighting it for years. and told he was hit by a car while out walking, might— was hit by a car while out walking, might have — was hit by a car while out walking, might have been walking or running, but out _ might have been walking or running, but out on _ might have been walking or running, but out on a — might have been walking or running, but out on a walk. and again, it's less— but out on a walk. and again, it's less than— but out on a walk. and again, it's less than two months after he was acquitted — less than two months after he was acquitted and also got his life back and thank— acquitted and also got his life back and thank you very much, danny and stewart, _ and thank you very much, danny and stewart, very quickly, is there a chance — stewart, very quickly, is there a chance we — stewart, very quickly, is there a chance we might never find out what happened _ chance we might never find out what happened to this vessel? | happened to this vessel? i understand it is a uk flagged vessel so the responsibility for finding out what happened rests with the flag state so marine accident investigation branch investigators are on their way to the site so it 50 metres of water so not too deep

to dive so i imagine they will find out fairly quickly exactly what happened and how so much water got to the boat so quickly.— to the boat so quickly. thank you to both of us for— to the boat so quickly. thank you to both of us forjoining _ to the boat so quickly. thank you to both of us forjoining us _ to the boat so quickly. thank you to both of us forjoining us tonight. i next up, it's part—farewell tojoe biden, it's part—coronation of his replacement in the race for the white house, and it's a whole lot of political spectacle. the democratic party's convention is getting under way right now in chicago. that is what it looks like from the outside, a bit more exciting on the inside. the big finish comes in four days' time, when kamala harris will make her prime—time pitch to be president to millions of watching americans, less than three months before election day. ben ansell is a professor at nuffield college, at the university of oxford, and a podcast host. haile soifer is a former adviser to kamala harris. stephanie hammell is a pro—trump commentator. hello to you all. professor ben, i will give you a couple of minutes to give us a sense of the shape of the

race because it's been very confusing and frenetic for a couple of months so give us some facts. last time i was in this studio was seven weeks ago and it was the night of the presidential debate and at that time nick watt reeled off a series of statistics about how things did not look great forjoe biden. he was edging behind donald trump in the overall popular poles and, more importantly, because it's the presidential election, in the electoral college. it was becoming increasingly hard to see a way for him to get re—elected, everything was coming down to pennsylvania, wisconsin and michigan, three of the midwestern or rust belt states. fast forward. kamala harris is now leading donald trump in the polls on average by about 3% and leading by about 3%, may be a little less come in all of those states and... i think we can bring up some of the numbers. these are the so—called battleground states. they used to be six and now there are seven. because

north carolina — six and now there are seven. because north carolina has _ six and now there are seven. because north carolina has joined _ six and now there are seven. because north carolina has joined the - six and now there are seven. because north carolina has joined the fray. - north carolina has joined the fray. importantly, biden was only really going to win those northern states and there is now a set of southern states, the so—called sunbelt states, the so—called sunbelt states, and we talk about george and arizona and nevada thatjoe biden won last time but also north carolina and right now it looks like kamala harris is going to win arizona. it is extraordinarily marginal. she's a bit behind in georgia, edging up in north carolina whichjust came on georgia, edging up in north carolina which just came on the scene in the last few days and edging into the lead in the body which gives multiple ways of winning the presidential election. stand multiple ways of winning the presidential election. and those numbers are — presidential election. and those numbers are on _ presidential election. and those numbers are on the _ presidential election. and those numbers are on the screen - presidential election. and those | numbers are on the screen now. presidential election. and those - numbers are on the screen now. are not an expert on us pulse but i've spent many years studying the british ones i know some of those mongers are what we call the margin of error. they could be other around —— some of those numbers. mar; of error. they could be other around -- some of those numbers.- of error. they could be other around -- some of those numbers. may be is 'ust -- some of those numbers. may be is just creeping over. — -- some of those numbers. may be is just creeping over, maybe _ -- some of those numbers. may be is just creeping over, maybe that - -- some of those numbers. may be isj just creeping over, maybe that means george it will flip to harris but more likely, things are just really tight —— georgia but it's a 50—50

election but what an amazing place for the democrats to be in because a week after i appeared last time after that debate, the biden numbers collapsed as he, he was like a stand—up comedian who forgot their lines on stage. he just died stand—up comedian who forgot their lines on stage. hejust died on stage. and we thought it was all over. and kamala harris has brought this back to at least, at the minimum highly competitive race and if i had to bet tomorrow, i would say she was more likely.- if i had to bet tomorrow, i would say she was more likely. haile, does this mean your _ say she was more likely. haile, does this mean your old _ say she was more likely. haile, does this mean your old boss _ say she was more likely. haile, does this mean your old boss might - say she was more likely. haile, does this mean your old boss might have | this mean your old boss might have it in the bag? flillie this mean your old boss might have it in the bag?— it in the bag? one can never run as thou:h it in the bag? one can never run as though they _ it in the bag? one can never run as though they are — it in the bag? one can never run as though they are going _ it in the bag? one can never run as though they are going to _ it in the bag? one can never run as though they are going to win, - it in the bag? one can never run as though they are going to win, you i though they are going to win, you can't _ though they are going to win, you can't take — though they are going to win, you can't take that for granted. of course — can't take that for granted. of course we _ can't take that for granted. of course we all think of the election in 2016— course we all think of the election in 2016 and once we start getting too confident. so she will run like an underdog. but it is absolutely the case — an underdog. but it is absolutely the case that she has fundamentally transformed the trajectory of this election— transformed the trajectory of this election in the past four weeks and one day— election in the past four weeks and one day since she became the candidate. we have ten more weeks to

id candidate. we have ten more weeks to go and _ candidate. we have ten more weeks to go and we _ candidate. we have ten more weeks to go and we will see certainly this week— go and we will see certainly this week the — go and we will see certainly this week the excitement and energy that exists _ week the excitement and energy that exists not _ week the excitement and energy that exists notjust here in chicago but throughout the country about her candidacy— throughout the country about her candidacy and about the forward—looking vision she is presenting for our future. i certainly— presenting for our future. i certainly see it as a jewish community leader within our community, especially youngervoters community, especially younger voters who are _ community, especially youngervoters who are so _ community, especially youngervoters who are so enthusiastic to vote not 'ust who are so enthusiastic to vote not just for— who are so enthusiastic to vote not just for the — who are so enthusiastic to vote not just for the first woman president but the _ just for the first woman president but the first black president and first asian american president and we are _ first asian american president and we are just — first asian american president and we are just thrilled at the idea of electing — we are just thrilled at the idea of electing such a transformative, positive — electing such a transformative, positive leader. and she has really brought— positive leader. and she has really broughtjoy back to positive leader. and she has really brought joy back to the campaign trail and — brought joy back to the campaign trail and the american people love. excitement, rallies, people enthusiastic, is normally what they say everyone is so excited, but we still have _ everyone is so excited, but we still have yet _ everyone is so excited, but we still have yet to — everyone is so excited, but we still have yet to really _

everyone is so excited, but we still have yet to really understand - everyone is so excited, but we still have yet to really understand whol everyone is so excited, but we still. have yet to really understand who is kamala _ have yet to really understand who is kamala harris? _ have yet to really understand who is kamala harris? will— have yet to really understand who is kamala harris? will the _ have yet to really understand who is kamala harris? will the real- kamala harris? will the real kamala harris _ kamala harris? will the real kamala harris please — kamala harris? will the real kamala harris please stand _ kamala harris? will the real kamala harris please stand up? _ kamala harris? will the real kamala harris please stand up? i— kamala harris? will the real kamala harris please stand up? ijust - harris please stand up? ijust checked — harris please stand up? ijust checked a _ harris please stand up? ijust checked a website _ harris please stand up? ijust checked a website before - 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she stands. we have the media and people in the democratic party now| people in the democratic party now trying _ people in the democratic party now trying to— people in the democratic party now trying to paint _ people in the democratic party now trying to paint her— people in the democratic party now trying to paint her as— people in the democratic party now trying to paint her as a _ people in the democratic party now trying to paint her as a moderate i trying to paint her as a moderate when _ trying to paint her as a moderate when we — trying to paint her as a moderate when we knew— trying to paint her as a moderate when we knew her— trying to paint her as a moderate when we knew her as _ trying to paint her as a moderate when we knew her as a - trying to paint her as a moderate when we knew her as a far- trying to paint her as a moderatel when we knew her as a far leftist. one of— when we knew her as a far leftist. one of the — when we knew her as a far leftist. one of the organisations - when we knew her as a far leftist. one of the organisations that - one of the organisations that attract — one of the organisations that attract a _ one of the organisations that attract a lot _ one of the organisations that attract a lot of— one of the organisations that attract a lot of the _ one of the organisations that attract a lot of the senators i one of the organisations that i attract a lot of the senators had deemed — attract a lot of the senators had deemed her— attract a lot of the senators had deemed her even— attract a lot of the senators had deemed her even further- attract a lot of the senators had deemed her even further to - attract a lot of the senators had deemed her even further to the | attract a lot of the senators had - deemed her even further to the left of bernie _ deemed her even further to the left of bernie sanders _ deemed her even further to the left of bernie sanders and _ deemed her even further to the left of bernie sanders and senator- of bernie sanders and senator elizabeth— of bernie sanders and senator elizabeth warren. _ of bernie sanders and senator elizabeth warren. it _ of bernie sanders and senator elizabeth warren. it is - of bernie sanders and senator elizabeth warren. it is quite i elizabeth warren. it is quite troubling _ elizabeth warren. it is quite troubling that— elizabeth warren. it is quite troubling that after- elizabeth warren. it is quite troubling that after all- elizabeth warren. it is quite troubling that after all of. elizabeth warren. it is quite i troubling that after all of these weeks. — troubling that after all of these weeks. she _ troubling that after all of these weeks, she has— troubling that after all of these weeks, she has been— troubling that after all of these weeks, she has been dodging. troubling that after all of these i weeks, she has been dodging the media _ weeks, she has been dodging the media and — weeks, she has been dodging the media and she _ weeks, she has been dodging the media and she hasn't _ weeks, she has been dodging the media and she hasn't taken - weeks, she has been dodging the media and she hasn't taken any l media and she hasn't taken any serious — media and she hasn't taken any serious questions. _ media and she hasn't taken any serious questions. so _ media and she hasn't taken any serious questions. so there - media and she hasn't taken any serious questions. so there canj media and she hasn't taken any i serious questions. so there can be media and she hasn't taken any - serious questions. so there can be a tonne _ serious questions. so there can be a tonne of— serious questions. so there can be a tonne of excitement _ serious questions. so there can be a tonne of excitement over _ serious questions. so there can be a tonne of excitement over harris, - serious questions. so there can be a| tonne of excitement over harris, but people _ tonne of excitement over harris, but people want — tonne of excitement over harris, but people want to — tonne of excitement over harris, but people want to know— tonne of excitement over harris, but people want to know what _ tonne of excitement over harris, but people want to know what she - people want to know what she actually — people want to know what she actually supports. _ people want to know what she actually supports. and - people want to know what she actually supports. and we - people want to know what she actually supports. and we didi people want to know what she - actually supports. and we did hear a little bit _ actually supports. and we did hear a little bit about — actually supports. and we did hear a little bit about her— actually supports. and we did hear a little bit about her economic - actually supports. and we did hear a little bit about her economic plan, i little bit about her economic plan, which _ little bit about her economic plan, which could — little bit about her economic plan, which could potentially— little bit about her economic plan, which could potentially cost - little bit about her economic plan, which could potentially cost over i which could potentially cost over $1.7 which could potentially cost over $17 trillion — which could potentially cost over $1.7 trillion that _ which could potentially cost over $1.7 trillion that would _ which could potentially cost over $1.7 trillion that would add - which could potentially cost over $1.7 trillion that would add to . which could potentially cost over| $1.7 trillion that would add to the debt _ $1.7 trillion that would add to the debt. ., ., ., , ., ,., $1.7 trillion that would add to the debt. ., ., ., , ., ., debt. hang on, i thought you said a minute ago — debt. hang on, i thought you said a minute ago she _ debt. hang on, i thought you said a minute ago she didn't _ debt. hang on, i thought you said a minute ago she didn't have - debt. hang on, i thought you said a minute ago she didn't have any - debt. hang on, i thought you said a i minute ago she didn't have any plans and now you are criticising a plan. that is very vague, right? one plan.

it is that is very vague, right? one plan. it is not _ that is very vague, right? one plan. it is not on — that is very vague, right? one plan. it is not on her— that is very vague, right? one plan. it is not on her website. _ that is very vague, right? one plan. it is not on her website. she - that is very vague, right? one plan. it is not on her website. she has - it is not on her website. she has been _ it is not on her website. she has been going — it is not on her website. she has been going back— it is not on her website. she has been going back and _ it is not on her website. she has been going back and forth. - it is not on her website. she hasj been going back and forth. what about— been going back and forth. what about price — been going back and forth. what about price controls? _ been going back and forth. what about price controls? that- been going back and forth. what about price controls? that will. been going back and forth. what i about price controls? that will not io about price controls? that will not go over— about price controls? that will not go over well— about price controls? that will not go over well in— about price controls? that will not go over well in the _ about price controls? that will not go over well in the swing - about price controls? that will not go over well in the swing states. i about price controls? that will not i go over well in the swing states. we know— go over well in the swing states. we know it _ go over well in the swing states. we know it happens _ go over well in the swing states. we know it happens with _ go over well in the swing states. we know it happens with price - go over well in the swing states. we know it happens with price controls. | know it happens with price controls. it know it happens with price controls. it will _ know it happens with price controls. it will lead _ know it happens with price controls. it will lead to — know it happens with price controls. it will lead to shortages _ know it happens with price controls. it will lead to shortages and - know it happens with price controls. it will lead to shortages and make l it will lead to shortages and make things— it will lead to shortages and make things more — it will lead to shortages and make things more expensive, _ it will lead to shortages and make things more expensive, it - it will lead to shortages and make things more expensive, it will- it will lead to shortages and make i things more expensive, it will make things— things more expensive, it will make things very— things more expensive, it will make things very difficult _ things more expensive, it will make things very difficult for _ things more expensive, it will make things very difficult for those - things more expensive, it will make things very difficult for those who i things very difficult for those who produce — things very difficult for those who produce we _ things very difficult for those who produce. we have _ things very difficult for those who produce. we have heard - things very difficult for those who produce. we have heard from - things very difficult for those whoj produce. we have heard from the supermarkets _ produce. we have heard from the supermarkets already _ produce. we have heard from the supermarkets already their - produce. we have heard from the i supermarkets already their margins are already — supermarkets already their margins are already tiny _ supermarkets already their margins are already tiny. it _ supermarkets already their margins are already tiny. it is _ supermarkets already their margins are already tiny. it is 1%. _ supermarkets already their margins are already tiny. it is 1%. nobody. are already tiny. it is 1%. nobody is doing — are already tiny. it is 1%. nobody is doing any— are already tiny. it is 1%. nobody is doing any price _ are already tiny. it is 1%. nobody is doing any price gouging - are already tiny. it is 1%. nobody is doing any price gouging right i is doing any price gouging right now _ is doing any price gouging right now yes. _ is doing any price gouging right now yes. we _ is doing any price gouging right now. yes, we are _ is doing any price gouging right now. yes, we are dealing - is doing any price gouging right now. yes, we are dealing withi now. yes, we are dealing with inflation — now. yes, we are dealing with inflation and _ now. yes, we are dealing with inflation and the _ now. yes, we are dealing with inflation and the economy, . now. yes, we are dealing with. inflation and the economy, which now. yes, we are dealing with- inflation and the economy, which is one of— inflation and the economy, which is one of the — inflation and the economy, which is one of the biggest _ inflation and the economy, which is one of the biggest concerns - inflation and the economy, which is one of the biggest concerns and - one of the biggest concerns and trump _ one of the biggest concerns and trump is — one of the biggest concerns and trump is doing _ one of the biggest concerns and trump is doing well— one of the biggest concerns and trump is doing well and - one of the biggest concerns and trump is doing well and that - one of the biggest concerns and i trump is doing well and that when one of the biggest concerns and - trump is doing well and that when it comes— trump is doing well and that when it comes to _ trump is doing well and that when it comes to polling _ trump is doing well and that when it comes to polling and _ trump is doing well and that when it comes to polling and people - trump is doing well and that when it comes to polling and people trust i comes to polling and people trust trump _ comes to polling and people trust trump more — comes to polling and people trust trump more with— comes to polling and people trust trump more with the _ comes to polling and people trust trump more with the economy i comes to polling and people trusti trump more with the economy and inflation _ trump more with the economy and inflation. �* . trump more with the economy and inflation. �* , ., , , inflation. i'm sure the harris camp would quibble _ inflation. i'm sure the harris camp would quibble with _ inflation. i'm sure the harris camp would quibble with your _ inflation. i'm sure the harris camp| would quibble with your description of her policy as price control and she was talking about price gouging when producers use inflation as an excuse to hike up prices. the message we have heard is something we have also heard from the top of the ticket on the republican side. jd vance, the part —— the vice presidential candidate for donald

trump, made a similar point when asked a question about donald trump's comments about kamala harris's blackness and jd vance tried to explain them. i believe that kamala harris is whatever she says she is, but i believe, importantly, that president trump is right that she's a chameleon. she pretends to be one thing in front of one audience, she pretends to be something different in front of another audience. look, dana, she's not running a political campaign, she's running a movie. she only speaks to voters behind a teleprompter. everything is scripted. she doesn't have her policy positions out there. she hasn't answered why she wanted to ban fracking, but now she doesn't. she wanted to defund the police, but now she doesn't. she wanted to open the border, but now she doesn't. did she want to defund the police and now she doesn't?— did she want to defund the police and now she doesn't? absolutely not. the american — and now she doesn't? absolutely not. the american people _ and now she doesn't? absolutely not. the american people do _ and now she doesn't? absolutely not. the american people do know - and now she doesn't? absolutely not. the american people do know who i the american people do know who kamala harris is. she has been a part of this administration for the past 3.5 years that brought the economy back from the collapse under donald trump. created over 60

million newjobs. unemployment is now the lowest it has ever been. and she has been a part of this administration. a harris administration. a harris administration would continue the policies that have been delivering for the american people. i tell you what else the american people know. they know exactly who donald trump is. he is the guy who is mumbling to dwindling crowds every night. and in relation to the jewish dwindling crowds every night. and in relation to thejewish community, he has aligned himself with right—wing extremist and he himself continues to espouse what i consider to be anti—semitic claims that three quarters of americanjews who don't support him and never will do need to have our head examined. he keeps saying the craziest things. including hate filled vitriol. that is who donald trump is and it is the reason he is going to lose. let’s reason he is going to lose. let's focus on who — reason he is going to lose. let's focus on who kamala _ reason he is going to lose. let's focus on who kamala harris - reason he is going to lose. let's focus on who kamala harris is. i reason he is going to lose. let's focus on who kamala harris is. you say the american people know her, but they haven't got to know her through big long speeches with lots of bullet points or even to a big long interview with a well regarded

news presenter. because she doesn't do any interviews. mitt; news presenter. because she doesn't do any interviews-— news presenter. because she doesn't do any interviews._ well, i do any interviews. why not? well, she will be — do any interviews. why not? well, she will be doing _ do any interviews. why not? well, she will be doing interviews. - do any interviews. why not? well, j she will be doing interviews. when is the first one going to be? the --urose is the first one going to be? the purpose of _ is the first one going to be? the purpose of this _ is the first one going to be? its: purpose of this convention is the first one going to be? tie: purpose of this convention which is just starting as we speak is to introduce our vice president to the world, to the country especially. you just said everyone knew who she was already. she you just said everyone knew who she was already-— was already. she needs no introduction! _ was already. she needs no introduction! you - was already. she needs no introduction! you will - was already. she needs no introduction! you will hear| was already. she needs no - introduction! you will hear over the next four nights just why she is such an inspiring and transformative leader and you will fully understand just why the american people and the voters, especially younger people, are thrilled about her candidacy and will help elect her in 79 days. then, we heard a lot of slogans, a lot of buzz words, which is those you think —— which of those you think will be definitive when it comes to the race? i think will be definitive when it comes to the race?— think will be definitive when it comes to the race? i think what we have learned _ comes to the race? i think what we have learned from _ comes to the race? i think what we have learned from though - comes to the race? i think what we have learned from though this - have learned from though this conversation is the republicans had probably— conversation is the republicans had probably wasted two or weeks not defining _ probably wasted two or weeks not defining kamala harris. because of theirargument defining kamala harris. because of

their argument was going to be that kamala _ their argument was going to be that kamala harris is extreme left, they probably— kamala harris is extreme left, they probably should have made that two or three _ probably should have made that two or three weeks ago. they are veering between _ or three weeks ago. they are veering between that and an argument we don't _ between that and an argument we don't know who she is and she's not saying _ don't know who she is and she's not saying anything. the danger for them is she _ saying anything. the danger for them is she will— saying anything. the danger for them is she will get up now and i don't know— is she will get up now and i don't know what— is she will get up now and i don't know what she will say, but they will presumably be more content than we have _ will presumably be more content than we have seen so far. it is a fair criticism — we have seen so far. it is a fair criticism we _ we have seen so far. it is a fair criticism we have not seen much of her, _ criticism we have not seen much of her. but _ criticism we have not seen much of her. but now— criticism we have not seen much of her, but now we have four straight days of— her, but now we have four straight days of kamala harris. the convention _ days of kamala harris. the convention has _ days of kamala harris. the convention has not - days of kamala harris. tie: convention has not really started yet. other than people gathering on the whole, we have seen protesters outside who think the biden—harris administration has been too cosy with israel and has not helped the palestinian people in gaza. how big a deal could that be when it comes to the actual calculus? it a deal could that be when it comes to the actual calculus?— to the actual calculus? it could be a bi deal to the actual calculus? it could be a big deal if— to the actual calculus? it could be a big deal if there _ to the actual calculus? it could be a big deal if there are _ to the actual calculus? it could be a big deal if there are riots - to the actual calculus? it could be a big deal if there are riots in - a big deal if there are riots in chicago _ a big deal if there are riots in chicago i_ a big deal if there are riots in chicago. i think it is fair to say the events— chicago. i think it is fair to say the events on college campuses had more _ the events on college campuses had more effect in the real world than almost _ more effect in the real world than almost anything that happens in universities normally and i speak from _ universities normally and i speak from experience! i'm not sure we will see _ from experience! i'm not sure we will see 1968, the famous democratic convention _ will see 1968, the famous democratic convention that ended up in riots, as much—

convention that ended up in riots, as much as — convention that ended up in riots, as much as we might see 1996. the second _ as much as we might see 1996. the second clinton convention where they were all— second clinton convention where they were all dancing the macarena and talking _ were all dancing the macarena and talking about the future and talking about _ talking about the future and talking about reading. that sounds to me more _ about reading. that sounds to me more like — about reading. that sounds to me more like the current spirit of what is going _ more like the current spirit of what is going on— more like the current spirit of what is going on inside the convention centre _ is going on inside the convention centre. ., . , ., , ., centre. your lectures at the start ofthe centre. your lectures at the start of the year _ centre. your lectures at the start of the year were _ centre. your lectures at the start of the year were about _ centre. your lectures at the start of the year were about the - centre. your lectures at the start| of the year were about the health centre. your lectures at the start i of the year were about the health of democracy around the world. is american democracy looking healthier now than it might have done before? you have lots of enthusiastic people. i you have lots of enthusiastic --eole. . . , .. people. i certainly think the firures people. i certainly think the figures who _ people. i certainly think the figures who are _ people. i certainly think the figures who are the - people. i certainly think the - figures who are the presidential candidates look healthier because one of— candidates look healthier because one of them is not 82. kamala harris is 59 _ one of them is not 82. kamala harris is 59 i_ one of them is not 82. kamala harris is 5-9 ithink— one of them is not 82. kamala harris is 59. i think there is genuine enthusiasm about harris and there is genuine _ enthusiasm about harris and there is genuine enthusiasm about donald trump. _ genuine enthusiasm about donald trump, which means we will have a much _ trump, which means we will have a much higher— trump, which means we will have a much higher turnout election that we thought. _ much higher turnout election that we thought, are much closer election. probably more competitive downstream as well— probably more competitive downstream as well for— probably more competitive downstream as well for congressional candidates and in _ as well for congressional candidates and in the _ as well for congressional candidates and in the senate.— as well for congressional candidates and in the senate. hayley, your take on where kamala _ and in the senate. hayley, your take on where kamala harris _ and in the senate. hayley, your take on where kamala harris is _ and in the senate. hayley, your take on where kamala harris is on - on where kamala harris is on israel—gaza? is she more pro—gaza than her boss?

israel-gaza? is she more pro-gaza than her boss?— than her boss? president biden in vice president _ than her boss? president biden in vice president harris _ than her boss? president biden in vice president harris for - than her boss? president biden in vice president harris for the - than her boss? president biden in vice president harris for the past| vice president harris for the past three and a half years of this administration both before and after october the seven, they had been completely and lockstep on the issue of israel. —— and vice president. it is a strongly supportive administration, this white house is administration, this white house is a pro israel white house. she stands with the president in that regard, there is no daylight between them. at the same time, they have also not only strengthened our security assistance to israel and our partnership with israel as it faces the threat both from hamas as well as from iran, but also have been calling for a ceasefire, including the release of hostages and the fact that humanitarian aid must continue to get into gaza. so no, the policies are no different between them and they will continue with this administration. and with a future harris administration. the democratic party today will adopt our policy platform, which is over

90 pages, compare that to the 16 page bullet points adopted at the republican platform, which is also reaffirming the position of the us and israel relationship, as well as the democratic opposition in efforts to combat anti—semitism in our country. to combat anti-semitism in our count . ., , ., , country. you say there is hardly an hint country. you say there is hardly anything between _ country. you say there is hardly anything between biden - country. you say there is hardly anything between biden and i country. you say there is hardly - anything between biden and harris, how come kamala harris said they should be a ceasefire in gaza before joe biden? that is the difference, isn't it? , ., , ., isn't it? -- there should be a ceasefire- — isn't it? -- there should be a ceasefire. you _ isn't it? -- there should be a ceasefire. you see _ isn't it? -- there should be a ceasefire. you see small- isn't it? -- there should be a - ceasefire. you see small rhetorical differences, but the policy is the same, the president had been discussing that at the same time as the vice president mentioned it a few months ago. for the past few months, they have both been working hard to ensure there is an agreement reached to ensure all the hostages get out of gaza and that all the aid continues to get in to reach instant palestinian civilians. i continues to get in to reach instant palestinian civilians.— palestinian civilians. i imagine donald trump _ palestinian civilians. i imagine donald trump is _ palestinian civilians. i imagine donald trump is hoping - palestinian civilians. i imagine donald trump is hoping the i palestinian civilians. i imagine - donald trump is hoping the pictures we are watching now of quite a calm protest he will hope they turn into scuffle so he can present this as

democrats in chicago, it is 1968 all over again! democrats in chicago, it is 1968 all overagain! i’m democrats in chicago, it is 1968 all over aaain! �* ., democrats in chicago, it is 1968 all over aain! �* ., , ., , over again! i'm not sure what is auoin over again! i'm not sure what is going through _ over again! i'm not sure what is going through the _ over again! i'm not sure what is going through the mind - over again! i'm not sure what is going through the mind of- over again! i'm not sure what is l going through the mind of donald trump, _ going through the mind of donald trump, but we are all watching. we hope _ trump, but we are all watching. we hope it— trump, but we are all watching. we hope it will— trump, but we are all watching. we hope it will be peaceful. we are in favour— hope it will be peaceful. we are in favour of— hope it will be peaceful. we are in favour of peaceful protest. you're right _ favour of peaceful protest. you're right to _ favour of peaceful protest. you're right to speak out on the way you feel on— right to speak out on the way you feel on the — right to speak out on the way you feel on the first amendment. but these _ feel on the first amendment. but these pro—palestinian protesters have _ these pro—palestinian protesters have been causing havoc on the streets. — have been causing havoc on the streets. on _ have been causing havoc on the streets, on campuses across our country— streets, on campuses across our country and — streets, on campuses across our country and a lot ofjewish students and jewish— country and a lot ofjewish students and jewish people have been coming out saying _ and jewish people have been coming out saying they are uncomfortable with the _ out saying they are uncomfortable with the rise in anti—semitism and many— with the rise in anti—semitism and many on _ with the rise in anti—semitism and many on the democratic party have not been _ many on the democratic party have not been forcefully condemning it enough — not been forcefully condemning it enough. so you could make the argument — enough. so you could make the argument that kamala harris should be condemning them more. especially when people feel so uncomfortable in this nation _ when people feel so uncomfortable in this nation. so the white house as we speak— this nation. so the white house as we speak right now has been funding both sides _ we speak right now has been funding both sides of this war. so that's why the — both sides of this war. so that's why the protesters are upset. we heard _ why the protesters are upset. we heard them calling biden genocide joe. heard them calling biden genocide joe and _ heard them calling biden genocide joe. and they want to be heard and

that's— joe. and they want to be heard and that's why— joe. and they want to be heard and that's why they are out. there are thousands— that's why they are out. there are thousands of people out on the streets — thousands of people out on the streets. we will have to wait and see what — streets. we will have to wait and see what happens. but as you pointed out, it— see what happens. but as you pointed out, it is— see what happens. but as you pointed out, it is peaceful at the moment. i have out, it is peaceful at the moment. have to out, it is peaceful at the moment. i have to interject. the idea that this white house has been funding both sides of this war is patently false, the waters between israel and a terrorist organisation hamas which president biden and vice president harris has said must be defeated. absolutely there is no funding going there, so that has to be made clear. also, the vice president has been very clear in her condemnation of protest, especially when we are talking about any sort of glorification of terrorism any sort of an thai summit is in. she has repeatedly condemned it. those protesters, and they are smaller and less impactful than i'm sure they had hoped to be —— of anti—semitism. their views are not represented inside the convention.— their views are not represented inside the convention. then, coming back to that — inside the convention. then, coming back to that point _ inside the convention. then, coming back to that point i _ inside the convention. then, coming back to that point i raised _ inside the convention. then, coming back to that point i raised with - inside the convention. then, coming back to that point i raised with you l back to that point i raised with you about the state of american democracy. i noticed the democrats are not necessarily making that

claim trump will try and steal the election again or the ballot could be, american democracy is on the ballot. that seems like a very biden era kind of message. hat ballot. that seems like a very biden era kind of message.— era kind of message. not harris. i think that's _ era kind of message. not harris. i think that's right, _ era kind of message. not harris. i think that's right, the _ era kind of message. not harris. i think that's right, the campaign i think that's right, the campaign rhetoric— think that's right, the campaign rhetoric has shifted and it has shifted — rhetoric has shifted and it has shifted in _ rhetoric has shifted and it has shifted in a way where they have realised — shifted in a way where they have realised that democrats believe that. _ realised that democrats believe that, but — realised that democrats believe that, but it is not clear independence and swing voters believe — independence and swing voters believe that, falsely or correctly, who knows? but the democrats have been hiring _ who knows? but the democrats have been hiring lots of lawyers and an army— been hiring lots of lawyers and an army of— been hiring lots of lawyers and an army of lawyers in preparation for what _ army of lawyers in preparation for what they— army of lawyers in preparation for what they think will be republican attempts to restrict voting rights or to _ attempts to restrict voting rights or to make complaints on election day. or to make complaints on election day so— or to make complaints on election day. so things are going on behind the scene — day. so things are going on behind the scene. but harris is acting like a challenge, rather than an incumbent because she is able to because — incumbent because she is able to because she is not directly the incumbent. so she is able to do this change _ incumbent. so she is able to do this change argument while getting many of the _ change argument while getting many of the benefits of being the current vice president. you of the benefits of being the current vice president.— vice president. you painted a very nice picture _ vice president. you painted a very nice picture of— vice president. you painted a very nice picture of the _ vice president. you painted a very nice picture of the last _ nice picture of the last presidential debate when you sat on this very sofa. these two candidates

will meet next month for the next presidential debate. give us a preview. presidential debate. give us a review. ~ .. presidential debate. give us a review. ~ ~' preview. well, i think we might look at this a bit — preview. well, i think we might look at this a bit like — preview. well, i think we might look at this a bit like we _ preview. well, i think we might look at this a bit like we did _ preview. well, i think we might look at this a bit like we did in _ preview. well, i think we might look at this a bit like we did in 2016 - at this a bit like we did in 2016 where — at this a bit like we did in 2016 where donald trump was getting lots of advice _ where donald trump was getting lots of advice not to walk around and to stalk _ of advice not to walk around and to stalk hillary clinton i do not let his personal... it is not clear what trump _ his personal... it is not clear what trump thinks _ his personal... it is not clear what trump thinks of harris. —— and to not let _ trump thinks of harris. —— and to not let he — trump thinks of harris. —— and to not let. he was very dismissive of biden— not let. he was very dismissive of biden and — not let. he was very dismissive of biden and he is not bound set of lines _ biden and he is not bound set of lines and — biden and he is not bound set of lines and frankly insults he wants yet for _ lines and frankly insults he wants yet for harris. i imagine she will be waiting — yet for harris. i imagine she will be waiting for him to do that and it will be _ be waiting for him to do that and it will be interesting to see who she has asked — will be interesting to see who she has asked her debate sparring partner— has asked her debate sparring partner in— has asked her debate sparring partner in practice and who plays donald _ partner in practice and who plays donald trump because he is an extremely challenging person for anyone _ extremely challenging person for anyone to debate. so who knows? that could be _ anyone to debate. so who knows? that could be a _ anyone to debate. so who knows? that could be a good moment from trump to push back— could be a good moment from trump to push back because i suspect harris will get _ push back because i suspect harris will get another 3% or 4% bump in her polling — will get another 3% or 4% bump in her polling after this convention. referring — her polling after this convention. referring to what you said about the message of trump. we can look at a tweet from the trump campaign poking at biden—harris administration for

the price rises and things from gasoline, electricity, airfares, groceries and rent. they are saying these price increases are because of kamala harris. this these price increases are because of kamala harris-— kamala harris. this is the campaign they should — kamala harris. this is the campaign they should probably _ kamala harris. this is the campaign they should probably have - kamala harris. this is the campaign they should probably have run - kamala harris. this is the campaign j they should probably have run three weeks _ they should probably have run three weeks ago _ they should probably have run three weeks ago because americans do care a lot about _ weeks ago because americans do care a lot about the economy, americans hate inflation, they don't care so much _ hate inflation, they don't care so much about the good jobs and growth numbers, _ much about the good jobs and growth numbers, they hate prices rising. they— numbers, they hate prices rising. they also— numbers, they hate prices rising. they also care about the border and harris _ they also care about the border and harris had _ they also care about the border and harris had this responsibility for the border and that would seem an obvious— the border and that would seem an obvious point to attack, but they haven't — obvious point to attack, but they haven't been doing that until now. i suspect— haven't been doing that until now. i suspect they will regret not having done that — suspect they will regret not having done that early enough because harris _ done that early enough because harris gets to define herself now and people won't be just staring at donald _ and people won't be just staring at donald trump tweets this week, they will stare _ donald trump tweets this week, they will stare at harris and keir starmer— will stare at harris and keir starmer on stage.- will stare at harris and keir starmer on stage. there are big a-list political _ starmer on stage. there are big a-list political speeches, - starmer on stage. there are big| a-list political speeches, biden, a—list political speeches, biden, obama, clinton. yes, you name it. thank you very much and hayley and stephanie as well. that's it for tonight. i'll be back in the chair tomorrow night. we'll leave you with pictures from around the world of tonight's blue supermoon.

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