soldiers had been building a sand filled structure around the bomb, preparing for a controlled explosion, and now, this is all that's left. as 400 evacuated homeowners return, there's relief that days of disruption caused by this historic bomb are finally at an end. sara girvin, bbc news, in newtownards. time for a look at the weather. here's ben.

to elect the first woman to the white house. we'll be live in chicago. hello and welcome to newsnight, the home of insight and interviews,

including tonight the doctor who was the first on the scene when that superyacht sank off sicily. translation: it was darkness that exerience translation: it was darkness that experience during _ translation: it was darkness that experience during the _ translation: it was darkness that experience during the ship - translation: it was darkness that experience during the ship wreck, l experience during the ship wreck, they spoke of about five minutes, maybe three to five minutes, from the moment the boat was lifted, raised by the waves, until it sank. it was a tragic scene because as i mentioned earlier, there was the shock related to the search for their friends and family members and relatives, they were truly apocalyptic scenes. on tonight's panel we have sir craig oliver, former downing street director of communications under david cameron, activist and author nimco aliand, james schneider, former director of strategy forjeremy corbyn when he was leader of the labour party. hello. in a few hours, kamala harris will be confirmed as the party's nominee for president in a process that's as symbolic as it is seamless.

last nightjoe biden was halfjokey, half angry, seasoned with some end—of—career tears. tonight it's barack obama, as the first black president seeks to pave the way for the first female president. this won't be their first love—in because they've already had one in — you guessed it — a quite cringe and totally natural video for social media! asa as a form comes professional, what you think about these social media videos that are part cringe or all cringe? videos that are part cringe or all crinue? �* , ., videos that are part cringe or all crinue? �*, ., ., . cringe? it's more all cringe! it looked very — cringe? it's more all cringe! it looked very set _ cringe? it's more all cringe! it looked very set up _ cringe? it's more all cringe! it looked very set up under- cringe? it's more all cringe! it l looked very set up under barack obama and michelle obama are

political superstars in the state and getting their support is a great thing, even if it was in such a cringeworthy video! [30 thing, even if it was in such a cringeworthy video!— thing, even if it was in such a cringeworthy video! do you think obama is actually _ cringeworthy video! do you think obama is actually going - cringeworthy video! do you think obama is actually going to - cringeworthy video! do you thinki obama is actually going to speak cringeworthy video! do you think i obama is actually going to speak to a big enough audience when he does his speech because the people in the removal of course love him and would vote for kamala harris anyway but what about the people outside, that he still have appeal?— he still have appeal? there was a lot of concern _ he still have appeal? there was a lot of concern joe _ he still have appeal? there was a lot of concern joe biden - he still have appeal? there was a lot of concern joe biden was - he still have appeal? there was a. lot of concern joe biden was losing lot of concernjoe biden was losing a lot of black voters and having barack obama and michelle obama clearly supporting kamala harris, and, i was obviously appealing to the community as well as big thing so it will help a lot.— so it will help a lot. what your take on how — so it will help a lot. what your take on how kamala _ so it will help a lot. what your take on how kamala harris - so it will help a lot. what your take on how kamala harris is| so it will help a lot. what your - take on how kamala harris is doing in the first month? i take on how kamala harris is doing in the first month?— in the first month? i think she's doinu in the first month? i think she's doing quite _ in the first month? i think she's doing quite well— in the first month? i think she's doing quite well in _ in the first month? i think she's doing quite well in the - in the first month? i think she's doing quite well in the face - in the first month? i think she's doing quite well in the face of. in the first month? i think she's doing quite well in the face of it but we — doing quite well in the face of it but we talked about before, are not on tiktok _ but we talked about before, are not on tiktok but my niece tells me she's_ on tiktok but my niece tells me she's all— on tiktok but my niece tells me she's all over social media! she is very much— she's all over social media! she is very much on every single trend apparently. very much on every single trend apparently-— very much on every single trend apparently. very much on every single trend anarentl.�* ., , , apparently. and do those vibes, you have experience _ apparently. and do those vibes, you have experience of _ apparently. and do those vibes, you have experience of being _ apparently. and do those vibes, you have experience of being with - apparently. and do those vibes, you have experience of being with a - have experience of being with a candidate who gets a lot of vibes on social media, it doesn't turn into power? that isjeremy corbyn, by the

way. i power? that is jeremy corbyn, by the wa . ., . just power? that is jeremy corbyn, by the way-_ just for— power? that is jeremy corbyn, by the way._ just for people - way. i got that! just for people listenina! way. i got that! just for people listening! she _ way. i got that! just for people listening! she has _ way. i got that! just for people listening! she has had - way. i got that! just for people listening! she has had a - way. i got that! just for people listening! she has had a lot - way. i got that! just for people listening! she has had a lot of| listening! she has had a lot of vibes that _ listening! she has had a lot of vibes that is _ listening! she has had a lot of vibes that is clearly _ listening! she has had a lot of vibes that is clearly really - vibes that is clearly really exciting _ vibes that is clearly really exciting the _ vibes that is clearly really exciting the political- vibes that is clearly really. exciting the political media vibes that is clearly really - exciting the political media class in washington _ exciting the political media class in washington and _ exciting the political media class in washington and some - exciting the political media class in washington and some people | exciting the political media class i in washington and some people on social_ in washington and some people on social media — in washington and some people on social media. but _ in washington and some people on social media. but i— in washington and some people on social media. but i think— in washington and some people on social media. but i think she - in washington and some people on social media. but i think she will. social media. but i think she will have _ social media. but i think she will have to — social media. but i think she will have to move _ social media. but i think she will have to move towards _ social media. but i think she will have to move towards some - social media. but i think she will- have to move towards some substance if there _ have to move towards some substance if there is _ have to move towards some substance if there is going — have to move towards some substance if there is going to— have to move towards some substance if there is going to turn _ have to move towards some substance if there is going to turn out _ have to move towards some substance if there is going to turn out lots - if there is going to turn out lots of people — if there is going to turn out lots of peorrie in— if there is going to turn out lots of peorrie in the _ if there is going to turn out lots of people in the election - if there is going to turn out lots of people in the election in - of people in the election in november _ of people in the election in november. in _ of people in the election in november.— of people in the election in november. , ., , ,, ., . november. in terms of the substance we have seen. _ november. in terms of the substance we have seen, yesterday _ november. in terms of the substance we have seen, yesterday her- november. in terms of the substance we have seen, yesterday her camp i we have seen, yesterday her camp were briefing she would increase corporation tax to 28%, she talked about helping first—time buyers and stop profiteering by supermarket so isn't at start of substance? i stop profiteering by supermarket so isn't at start of substance?- isn't at start of substance? i think the tax code. _ isn't at start of substance? i think the tax code, helping _ isn't at start of substance? i think the tax code, helping first-time i the tax code, helping first—time buyers— the tax code, helping first—time buyers is— the tax code, helping first—time buyers is in— the tax code, helping first—time buyers is in with _ the tax code, helping first—time buyers is in with both— the tax code, helping first—time l buyers is in with both presidential candidates — buyers is in with both presidential candidates sav _ buyers is in with both presidential candidates say in _ buyers is in with both presidential candidates say in every _ buyers is in with both presidential candidates say in every single - candidates say in every single election— candidates say in every single election and _ candidates say in every single election and occasional - candidates say in every single election and occasional help i candidates say in every single i election and occasional help for consumers _ election and occasional help for consumers is _ election and occasional help for consumers is quite _ election and occasional help for consumers is quite normal- election and occasional help for consumers is quite normal butl election and occasional help for. consumers is quite normal but the tax is _ consumers is quite normal but the tax is a _ consumers is quite normal but the tax is a real— consumers is quite normal but the tax is a real dividing _ consumers is quite normal but the tax is a real dividing line _ consumers is quite normal but the tax is a real dividing line because. tax is a real dividing line because obviously— tax is a real dividing line because obviously trump _ tax is a real dividing line because obviously trump had _ tax is a real dividing line because obviously trump had massive - tax is a real dividing line because obviously trump had massive tax cuts, _ obviously trump had massive tax cuts, brought— obviously trump had massive tax cuts, brought down _ obviously trump had massive tax cuts, brought down the - obviously trump had massive tax . cuts, brought down the corporation tax levei— cuts, brought down the corporation tax level to — cuts, brought down the corporation tax level to what _ cuts, brought down the corporation tax level to what it _ cuts, brought down the corporation tax level to what it is _ cuts, brought down the corporation tax level to what it is now. - cuts, brought down the corporation tax level to what it is now. her- tax level to what it is now. her increase — tax level to what it is now. her increase will— tax level to what it is now. her increase will take _ tax level to what it is now. her increase will take it _ tax level to what it is now. her increase will take it back - tax level to what it is now. her increase will take it back up i tax level to what it is now. her increase will take it back up to| tax level to what it is now. heri increase will take it back up to i think— increase will take it back up to i think three _ increase will take it back up to i think three or— increase will take it back up to i think three or 4% _ increase will take it back up to i think three or 4% below - increase will take it back up to i

think three or 4% below what . increase will take it back up to i think three or 4% below what it| increase will take it back up to i- think three or 4% below what it was before _ think three or 4% below what it was before trumpeted _ think three or 4% below what it was before trumpeted the _ think three or 4% below what it was before trumpeted the big _ think three or 4% below what it was before trumpeted the big cut. i- before trumpeted the big cut. i think before trumpeted the big cut. think it is seven points up before trumpeted the big cut.“ think it is seven points up from where trump put it to put seven points below where it was before. help us get into perspective that we could be looking at the first female president of colour, help us decide how big a deal that is. i president of colour, help us decide how big a deal that is.— how big a deal that is. i think it is an incredible _ how big a deal that is. i think it is an incredible deal _ how big a deal that is. i think it is an incredible deal within i how big a deal that is. i think it is an incredible deal within the | is an incredible deal within the context— is an incredible deal within the context we are in but what is more incredible — context we are in but what is more incredible is— context we are in but what is more incredible is the fact we have a competent person, and trump being president— competent person, and trump being president is scary for a lot of people. _ president is scary for a lot of people, whether women, women of colour, _ people, whether women, women of colour, other minorities so i think her race _ colour, other minorities so i think her race and — colour, other minorities so i think her race and gender are very important _ her race and gender are very important but having someone that is safe is— important but having someone that is safe is a _ important but having someone that is safe is a key— important but having someone that is safe is a key think. that is something that is really on the minds — something that is really on the minds of— something that is really on the minds of a lot of people. when obama takes to the stage _ minds of a lot of people. when obama takes to the stage tonight _ minds of a lot of people. when obama takes to the stage tonight people i takes to the stage tonight people will think about his achievements in office so do you think his race and identity actually helped him to govan or helped him to get into the white house in the first place?

helping to get into the white house and then— helping to get into the white house and then you getjudged on your race and then you getjudged on your race and whether you are tokenistic persons — and whether you are tokenistic persons that was elected but actually _ persons that was elected but actually became compassionate and showed _ actually became compassionate and showed a _ actually became compassionate and showed a lot of character. i was saying _ showed a lot of character. i was saying just _ showed a lot of character. i was saying just before in the green room. — saying just before in the green room, before he became president he was very— room, before he became president he was very cocky and i think the white house _ was very cocky and i think the white house mellowed him so i think the speech— house mellowed him so i think the speech he — house mellowed him so i think the speech he will make will be very statesman—like and considerate and showing _ statesman—like and considerate and showing what the future of america looks _ showing what the future of america looks like _ showing what the future of america looks like with kamala at the stage, as president compared to what it would _ as president compared to what it would he — as president compared to what it would be with trump as president which _ would be with trump as president which as— would be with trump as president which as i— would be with trump as president which as i say, is incredibly scary, whether— which as i say, is incredibly scary, whether for— which as i say, is incredibly scary, whether for women's rights or minority— whether for women's rights or minority rights or global security, i minority rights or global security, idon't _ minority rights or global security, i don't think that trump is the idon't think that trump is the person— i don't think that trump is the person that america should be voting for. ., person that america should be voting for. . . ., �* person that america should be voting for. . i ., �* .,, for. craig, we sawjoe biden last niaht, he for. craig, we sawjoe biden last night, he cried _ for. craig, we sawjoe biden last night, he cried and _ for. craig, we sawjoe biden last night, he cried and did - for. craig, we sawjoe biden last night, he cried and did some i for. craig, we sawjoe biden last. night, he cried and did some jokes, night, he cried and did somejokes, classicjoe biden performance. george osborne has talked about seeing him as vice president and coming to number 10 and seeing the

seeds of his downfall even then when he was performing quite well in that he was performing quite well in that he was performing quite well in that he was quite verbose and a bit self obsessed, not a great listener produced did you see that? i was produced did you see that? i was luc to produced did you see that? i was lucky to meet — produced did you see that? i was lucky to meet him _ produced did you see that? i was lucky to meet him at _ produced did you see that? i was lucky to meet him at a _ produced did you see that? i was lucky to meet him at a lunch i produced did you see that? i was lucky to meet him at a lunch at l produced did you see that? i —" lucky to meet him at a lunch at the white house and spent time with him and boy, can you talk but he's a charismatic figure and a capable president who's done a lot of stuff. a lot of people would argue that he has achieved more than barack obama in one term... has achieved more than barack obama in one term- - -— has achieved more than barack obama in one term. . .- the _ in one term... such as? the inflation _ in one term... such as? the inflation reduction _ in one term... such as? the inflation reduction act i in one term... such as? the inflation reduction act has . in one term... such as? the i inflation reduction act has been hugein inflation reduction act has been huge in terms of its impact on american states and that was a big thing to have delivered an really important thing. barack obama i think a lot of people felt two terms, hard to point to very much she did other than the health care act. i think he feels, i could have fought it and won it, that was the message that came across. he essentially gave a speech that was really as if he was going for the second term and it was altered a bit to support kamala harris so he is obviously feeling pretty sore about

it. �* , ., , it. and in terms of his record, he has pumped _ it. and in terms of his record, he has pumped loads _ it. and in terms of his record, he has pumped loads of _ it. and in terms of his record, he has pumped loads of public i it. and in terms of his record, he i has pumped loads of public money into industries of the future, a very left—wing thing to do, you would say, but the american public don't seem to have liked it, polls showing they want kamala harris to move away from that. i showing they want kamala harris to move away from that.— move away from that. i don't think biden move away from that. i don't think itiden makes _ move away from that. i don't think biden makes is _ move away from that. i don't think biden makes is particularly - biden makes is particularly left-wing _ biden makes is particularly left—wing point— biden makes is particularly left—wing point what i biden makes is particularly left—wing point what he i biden makes is particularlyl left—wing point what he has biden makes is particularly- left—wing point what he has done with the — left—wing point what he has done with the inflation _ left—wing point what he has done with the inflation reduction i left—wing point what he has done with the inflation reduction act i left—wing point what he has done with the inflation reduction act is| with the inflation reduction act is a great _ with the inflation reduction act is a great big — with the inflation reduction act is a great big pool— with the inflation reduction act is a great big pool of— with the inflation reduction act is a great big pool of capital- with the inflation reduction act is a great big pool of capital to- a great big pool of capital to de-risk_ a great big pool of capital to de-risk and _ a great big pool of capital to de—risk and incentivise i a great big pool of capital to de—risk and incentivise the i a great big pool of capital to- de—risk and incentivise the private sector— de—risk and incentivise the private sector to — de—risk and incentivise the private sector to do — de—risk and incentivise the private sector to do particular— de—risk and incentivise the private sector to do particular thing i de—risk and incentivise the private sector to do particular thing whichj sector to do particular thing which has moved — sector to do particular thing which has moved industrial— sector to do particular thing which has moved industrial strategy- sector to do particular thing whichl has moved industrial strategy long way and _ has moved industrial strategy long way and is — has moved industrial strategy long way and is moved _ has moved industrial strategy long way and is moved green _ has moved industrial strategy long way and is moved green energy, . has moved industrial strategy long i way and is moved green energy, glitz has happened — way and is moved green energy, glitz has happened at— way and is moved green energy, glitz has happened at the _ way and is moved green energy, glitz has happened at the same _ way and is moved green energy, glitz has happened at the same time i way and is moved green energy, glitz has happened at the same time as i has happened at the same time as opening _ has happened at the same time as opening up— has happened at the same time as opening up the _ has happened at the same time as opening up the willow— has happened at the same time as opening up the willow field - has happened at the same time as opening up the willow field in i opening up the willow field in alaska — opening up the willow field in alaska it's— opening up the willow field in alaska it's a _ opening up the willow field in alaska it's a disjointed - opening up the willow field in alaska it's a disjointed policy| opening up the willow field in l alaska it's a disjointed policy in terms — alaska it's a disjointed policy in terms of— alaska it's a disjointed policy in terms of green _ alaska it's a disjointed policy in terms of green policy. - alaska it's a disjointed policy in terms of green policy. i- alaska it's a disjointed policy in terms of green policy. i think. alaska it's a disjointed policy in terms of green policy. i think a | alaska it's a disjointed policy in i terms of green policy. i think a lot of the _ terms of green policy. i think a lot of the reasons _ terms of green policy. i think a lot of the reasons people _ terms of green policy. i think a lot of the reasons people have - terms of green policy. i think a lot of the reasons people have not. terms of green policy. i think a lot. of the reasons people have not gone for it so— of the reasons people have not gone for it so much— of the reasons people have not gone for it so much in— of the reasons people have not gone for it so much in the _ of the reasons people have not gone for it so much in the polls _ of the reasons people have not gone for it so much in the polls is - of the reasons people have not gone for it so much in the polls is it- for it so much in the polls is it has _ for it so much in the polls is it has not — for it so much in the polls is it has not had _ for it so much in the polls is it has not had a _ for it so much in the polls is it has not had a material- for it so much in the polls is it has not had a material impacti for it so much in the polls is it. has not had a material impact on their— has not had a material impact on their lives— has not had a material impact on their lives vet _ has not had a material impact on their lives yet. that _ has not had a material impact on their lives yet. that has - has not had a material impact on their lives yet. that has been. has not had a material impact on their lives yet. that has been a l has not had a material impact on i their lives yet. that has been a big thing _ their lives yet. that has been a big thing about— their lives yet. that has been a big thing about the _ their lives yet. that has been a big thing about the economy, - their lives yet. that has been a big thing about the economy, that i

thing about the economy, that while profits— thing about the economy, that while profits have — thing about the economy, that while profits have been _ thing about the economy, that while profits have been rising _ thing about the economy, that while profits have been rising in— thing about the economy, that while profits have been rising in the i profits have been rising in the stock — profits have been rising in the stock market _ profits have been rising in the stock market has _ profits have been rising in the stock market has been - profits have been rising in the stock market has been quite i profits have been rising in the i stock market has been quite well profits have been rising in the - stock market has been quite well and profits _ stock market has been quite well and profits have _ stock market has been quite well and profits have been _ stock market has been quite well and profits have been up, _ stock market has been quite well and profits have been up, living _ profits have been up, living standards— profits have been up, living standards for— profits have been up, living standards for a _ profits have been up, living standards for a decent i profits have been up, living. standards for a decent chunk profits have been up, living i standards for a decent chunk of profits have been up, living - standards for a decent chunk of the population— standards for a decent chunk of the population have _ standards for a decent chunk of the population have not _ standards for a decent chunk of the population have not been _ standards for a decent chunk of the population have not been rising. i well, we'rejoined now by martin luther king iii, the oldest son of the civil rights leader. he's at the democratic national convention in chicago. hejoins us with he joins us with his wife, hello. hello. ., . ,. he joins us with his wife, hello. hello-_ very - he joins us with his wife, hello. hello._ very well, i he joins us with his wife, hello. i hello._ very well, glad hello. how are you? very well, glad ou could hello. how are you? very well, glad you could join _ hello. how are you? very well, glad you could join us. _ hello. how are you? very well, glad you could join us. so _ hello. how are you? very well, glad you could join us. so help _ hello. how are you? very well, glad you could join us. so help us, i hello. how are you? very well, glad you could join us. so help us, we i you could join us. so help us, we were talking about the historical context of a first female candidate of colour, no one understands that historical context better than you so help us to understand what a moment this is for you. this so help us to understand what a moment this is for you.- so help us to understand what a moment this is for you. this is an incredible — moment this is for you. this is an incredible moment _ moment this is for you. this is an incredible moment for _ moment this is for you. this is an incredible moment for me, i moment this is for you. this is an incredible moment for me, for. moment this is for you. this is an | incredible moment for me, for our nation, for young black girls, young asian girls who potentially will see the first black and asian president

of the united states. obviously we have had a first black president with president obama but this is unique, especially for our daughter, who is 16 years old, and has been watching and trying to participate as best she can. i would also say, i think my mum and dad are certainly smiling down on our nation in this moment but understanding that the dream of freedom, justice and equality for all humankind has not become real yet and an election of a president does not even do that. it takes the work of all of us and a person, in this case vice president kamala harris, is sharing a vision for our nation as opposed to trying to divide our nation. find for our nation as opposed to trying to divide our nation.— to divide our nation. and does someone's — to divide our nation. and does someone's identity, _ to divide our nation. and does someone's identity, their- to divide our nation. and does i someone's identity, their approach to public life, does it help you deal with, say, inflation, to public life, does it help you dealwith, say, inflation, like to public life, does it help you deal with, say, inflation, like with gas prices being historically high, for example? i

gas prices being historically high, for example?— for example? i think that that is certainly an _ for example? i think that that is certainly an approach _ for example? i think that that is certainly an approach and i i for example? i think that that is | certainly an approach and i think for example? i think that that is i certainly an approach and i think an economic plan which then vice president has proposed and perhaps is even tweaking is going to ultimately address the price of food and a number of items so our economy continues to grow. an opportunity exists for all.— exists for all. and we will hear from both _ exists for all. and we will hear from both the _ exists for all. and we will hear from both the obamas - exists for all. and we will hear from both the obamas tonighti exists for all. and we will hear i from both the obamas tonight and michelle obama famously said that when they go low, we go high, and your campaign is now calling your opponents widows point is that going high? —— calling them weirdos. fine high? -- calling them weirdos. one ofthe high? -- calling them weirdos. one of the things _ high? -- calling them weirdos. one of the things we _ high? —— calling them weirdos. one of the things we have to keep in mind _ of the things we have to keep in mind is— of the things we have to keep in mind is a — of the things we have to keep in mind is a candidate as i go even at a rally— mind is a candidate as i go even at a rally last — mind is a candidate as i go even at a rally last week when a crowd was chanting _ a rally last week when a crowd was chanting something that she disagreed with, she quieted the crowd _ disagreed with, she quieted the crowd and she has been very strong in her— crowd and she has been very strong in her approach but actually very

hi-h in her approach but actually very high level~ — in her approach but actually very high level. she has kept everyone calm, _ high level. she has kept everyone calm. she — high level. she has kept everyone calm, she has continued to talk about— calm, she has continued to talk about her— calm, she has continued to talk about her vision for the country and for us _ about her vision for the country and for us all— about her vision for the country and for us all coming together and standing — for us all coming together and standing together. it is certainly a very different conversation that we are hearing and we have heard for the last _ are hearing and we have heard for the last several years. so are hearing and we have heard for the last several years.— the last several years. so weirdos counts as high? _ the last several years. so weirdos counts as high? well, _ the last several years. so weirdos counts as high? well, i— the last several years. so weirdos counts as high? well, i think i the last several years. so weirdos| counts as high? well, i think there are a lot of — counts as high? well, i think there are a lot of people _ counts as high? well, i think there are a lot of people here _ counts as high? well, i think there are a lot of people here in - counts as high? well, i think there are a lot of people here in the i are a lot of people here in the united — are a lot of people here in the united states that feel that they could _ united states that feel that they could have been actually much stronger— could have been actually much stronger and more negative language and in _ stronger and more negative language and in a _ stronger and more negative language and in a real sense is she almost made _ and in a real sense is she almost made it— and in a real sense is she almost made it comical. she did not continue _ made it comical. she did not continue to denigrate in the same way in _ continue to denigrate in the same way in which she has been denigrated. she actually did what doctor— denigrated. she actually did what doctor king talked about doing, she separates— doctor king talked about doing, she separates the evil act from the individual— separates the evil act from the individual and she actually tries in her way— individual and she actually tries in her way to— individual and she actually tries in her way to lighten things up and not io her way to lighten things up and not go low— her way to lighten things up and not go low and — her way to lighten things up and not go low and beery denigrating in her conversation. —— and not be

denigrating put our north america editor— denigrating put our north america editor said on one of our news shows that behind _ editor said on one of our news shows that behind the scenes in chicago the message has gone out from party leaders. _ the message has gone out from party leaders, don't get too excited, don't _ leaders, don't get too excited, don't get — leaders, don't get too excited, don't get too exuberant.- don't get too exuberant. don't exaggerate — don't get too exuberant. don't exaggerate the _ don't get too exuberant. don't exaggerate the vibes - don't get too exuberant. don't exaggerate the vibes here i don't get too exuberant. dm�*t exaggerate the vibes here because that could put off voters outside the convention. do you think there is a risk of that happening? would you advise people to just kind of chill a bit? j you advise people to 'ust kind of chill a bit? ~' you advise people to 'ust kind of mm a hint chill a bit? i think that it is alwa s chill a bit? i think that it is always good _ chill a bit? i think that it is always good to _ chill a bit? i think that it is always good to bring - chill a bit? | thinkthat it is- always good to bring excitement. a large portion, or a portion of the electorate was not excited at all. the fact that now a vision that people can buy into as been articulated, people around our nation are very excited. i think that's a good thing but i also think that's a good thing but i also think that it does not mean that we are at the finish line, we are probably at the finish line, we are probably at the mid level or beginning phase of getting people sustained excitement so they will come out to the polls

and vote for the candidacy of vice president harris and governor tim olsen. �* u, , president harris and governor tim olsen. ~ , , olsen. and we can see behind you in the arena. the _ olsen. and we can see behind you in the arena, the word _ olsen. and we can see behind you in the arena, the word freedom - olsen. and we can see behind you in the arena, the word freedom on - olsen. and we can see behind you in the arena, the word freedom on the | the arena, the word freedom on the screen which is one of kamala harris's sound bites and it's also the beyonce track that is used a lot in campaign ad but so do you reckon beyonce will turn up this week? i hope so! what i would say... beyonce will turn up this week? i | hope so! what i would say... sure she would — hope so! what i would say... sure she would be _ hope so! what i would say... sure she would be excited _ hope so! what i would say... sure she would be excited to _ hope so! what i would say... sure she would be excited to see you too! on a more substantive point, i know you two have complained about voters rights and against voter suppression and that used to be something that joe biden talked a lot about when he said that democracy itself was on the ballot at this election. kamala harris does not seem to talk about that as much so do you think there's a danger she underplays the dangers you perceive? i have heard talk about that quite

often _ i have heard talk about that quite often and — i have heard talk about that quite often. and one thing we talked about all over— often. and one thing we talked about all over this _ often. and one thing we talked about all over this nation and the world is that_ all over this nation and the world is that our— all over this nation and the world is that our daughter who is the only granddaughter of martin luther king junior— granddaughter of martin luther king junior she _ granddaughter of martin luther king junior she and her peers have lost rights _ junior she and her peers have lost rights at _ junior she and her peers have lost rights at 16— junior she and her peers have lost rights at 16 years old. that has not happened — rights at 16 years old. that has not happened in our country since the end of— happened in our country since the end of reconstruction so we are at a point _ end of reconstruction so we are at a point in _ end of reconstruction so we are at a point in time — end of reconstruction so we are at a point in time with a whole generation of young people, young -irls generation of young people, young girls in— generation of young people, young girls in particular that have fewer rights _ girls in particular that have fewer rights than the day they were born. ithink— rights than the day they were born. i think the — rights than the day they were born. i think the vice president is well aware _ i think the vice president is well aware of— i think the vice president is well aware of that and i've heard her talk quite — aware of that and i've heard her talk quite a bit about that fact and democracy and i know one of the things— democracy and i know one of the things she — democracy and i know one of the things she has mentioned, one of the first thing she will do is make sure that the _ first thing she will do is make sure that the voting rights act is passed into law— that the voting rights act is passed into law in — that the voting rights act is passed into law in this land.— into law in this land. thank you both forjoining _ into law in this land. thank you both forjoining us _ into law in this land. thank you both forjoining us tonight, - into law in this land. thank you both forjoining us tonight, we | both forjoining us tonight, we really appreciate it. divers have struggled throughout the day to reach the cabins of the superyacht which sank off the coast of sicily with the tech entrepreneur mike lynch onboard. he's still missing along with his

18—year—old daughter hannah, the chairman of the international arm of the investment firm morgan stanley and his wife, along with mike lynch's lawyer and his wife. tonight the 15 survivors have left hopsital. have left hospital. newsnight has spoken to the doctor who treated them when they were brought ashore. he's fabio genco. around 5:05 local time here in palermo we received this call from the coast guard. the coast guard personnel were informing us that there were three shipwreck survivors, a family consisting of two parents and one child. they were in the water, having sunk along with the boat. a few minutes later, a call came informing us that it wasn't just three people, but an unspecified number, at least 10 to 20 people who had been involved in this shipwreck. you talk about the one year old baby. were you able to get any idea about how their mother was able to keep them safe at sea? at that moment, the mother asked us

rescuers for reassurance that the child was okay and hadn't experienced any symptoms of drowning that can occur in this situation. she insisted that the child had never gone underwater. we took the child's vital signs, which showed good saturation and good oxygenation, so we were much more reassured by this information that transpired from the vital signs. the others almost all had stable and calm vital signs, so we had little concern. the main concern was for the child to understand if she had ingested salt water. the word that the mother and all the injured kept repeating was darkness, the darkness that they experienced during the shipwreck. they spoke of about five minutes, maybe from three to five minutes from the moment the boat was lifted, raised by the waves of the sea until it sank. how are the survivors dealing with the fact that their loved ones are still missing and being searched for? it was a tragic scene because, as i mentioned earlier, there was this shock related

to the search for their friends, family members and relatives. there were truly apocalyptic scenes where everyone was searching and hoping to find the people who at that moment were not present or werejust missing. what's the prognosis for the people that you treated? have some of them been released from hospital? how are they doing? all have been discharged yesterday. the medics at the children's hospital preferred to keep the child for at least 2a hours. but today they have all been discharged. and how did you become aware of the fact that there's a very, very successful british businessman who was on board this boat? certainly the boat was a luxury boat. so it was thought that there were wealthy people on board. but i must say, this is not important to us because we always focus on the medical side of the situation. we are used to many cases, and we also handle lampedusa, a place where there are many, many shipwrecks related to immigration. so unfortunately, this is not the first time that we have assisted shipwrecked patients.

but i suppose that the sea treats everyone the same. rich or poor? yes, yes. unfortunately, in the face of death and in the face of life, there is no difference between rich and poor or between nobles and commoners. the rmt rail union met with goverment officials today to discuss a pay rise for its members. it has led to some predictions of bumper pay settlements. some have accused the chancellor rachel reeves of balancing the books by limiting future winter fuel payments to only those pensioners who receive the benefit known as pension credit. but meanwhile a coalition is assembling to save the winter fuel payment. so far its members include charities, all six candidates for the tory leadership, several right wing newspapers, and 102,312 people who've so far signed an online petition.

in a previousjob maybe keir starmer would bejoining them if this clip of him as leader of the opposition is anything to go by. last year the prime minister was apparently drawing up plans to remove the winter fuel allowance from pensioners. his paymaster general went a step further. he said that's the kind of thing we need to look at. so will he now rule out taking pensioners' winter fuel payments off them to help fund his £46 billion black hole? ages before any of you get the winter fuel payment, so this is an intellectual argument for you but what is your take, is it a good trade—off? i what is your take, is it a good trade-off?— trade-off? i think it is quite meticulous _ trade-off? i think it is quite meticulous and _ trade-off? i think it is quite meticulous and i'm - trade-off? i think it is quite meticulous and i'm not - trade-off? i think it is quite | meticulous and i'm not sure trade-off? i think it is quite - meticulous and i'm not sure why so early into a big win the labour party would have this suicidal mission to be able to do that. i think suicidal because he will have to back down. it is the same as the

free school meals, there is a former conservative party had to have that fight with marcus rashford, it is a nonsensical thing. and giving pensioners the fuel allowance is something that we should be doing as a society. and not a smart move for them so early in the leadership. [10 them so early in the leadership. do ou them so early in the leadership. do you think a climb—down is inevitable? i you think a climb-down is inevitable?— you think a climb-down is inevitable? ., ., ~ , inevitable? i do not think it is inevitable. — inevitable? i do not think it is inevitable, it _ inevitable? i do not think it is inevitable, it was _ inevitable? i do not think it is inevitable, it was clear - inevitable? i do not think it is inevitable, it was clear that i inevitable? i do not think it is l inevitable, it was clear that she was trying _ inevitable, it was clear that she was trying to brand herself from the start is— was trying to brand herself from the start is a _ was trying to brand herself from the start is a tough chancellor willing to take _ start is a tough chancellor willing to take difficult decisions. the problem — to take difficult decisions. the problem is that she did it outside the budget so she did it in isolation is an issue. instead of being _ isolation is an issue. instead of being within the story of a wider budget— being within the story of a wider budget about tax and spend. i think that allow— budget about tax and spend. i think that allow people to say hang on are you taking _ that allow people to say hang on are you taking money from pensioners to -ive you taking money from pensioners to give it— you taking money from pensioners to give it to _ you taking money from pensioners to give it to your union friends and that allowed the right wing press to mount— that allowed the right wing press to mount this campaign. i think they will want — mount this campaign. i think they will want to stand up to that and demonstrate that they will not be

pushed _ demonstrate that they will not be pushed around by the media and by other— pushed around by the media and by other groups in the campaign. rachel reeves would — other groups in the campaign. rachel reeves would say _ other groups in the campaign. rachel reeves would say she _ other groups in the campaign. rachel reeves would say she did _ other groups in the campaign. rachel reeves would say she did tell- other groups in the campaign. rachel reeves would say she did tell the - reeves would say she did tell the why destroy that day that there is a black hole left by the previous government and she has to make spending cuts to fill it and it is not her fault. spending cuts to fill it and it is not herfault. it spending cuts to fill it and it is not her fault.— spending cuts to fill it and it is not her fault. it is a wider story in terms of _ not her fault. it is a wider story in terms of rachel— not her fault. it is a wider story in terms of rachel reeves - not her fault. it is a wider story | in terms of rachel reeves trying not her fault. it is a wider story - in terms of rachel reeves trying to say the _ in terms of rachel reeves trying to say the big — in terms of rachel reeves trying to say the big narrative of this parliament is to blame the last lot and we _ parliament is to blame the last lot and we cannot be blamed for the tough _ and we cannot be blamed for the tough decisions we have to take. i think— tough decisions we have to take. i think it _ tough decisions we have to take. i think it is — tough decisions we have to take. i think it is not the right story because _ think it is not the right story because it is not in a budget of tax and spend — because it is not in a budget of tax and spend and being able to point to other— and spend and being able to point to other things that you've done. it was in _ other things that you've done. it was in isolation and has allowed people — was in isolation and has allowed people to — was in isolation and has allowed people to say hang on your giving double _ people to say hang on your giving double digit pay rises to unions but taking _ double digit pay rises to unions but taking money from pensioners. is there taking money from pensioners. there a taking money from pensioners. is there a spending or benefit cut or freeze somewhere you would prefer instead? i freeze somewhere you would prefer instead? ~ , freeze somewhere you would prefer instead? ~' , _, ., , instead? i think they could raise taxes on some _ instead? i think they could raise taxes on some things _ instead? i think they could raise taxes on some things that - instead? i think they could raise taxes on some things that many people would welcome. but as i said it is one of those things and the fact that some of us mineral deals

sitting on this panel are not going to be blaming pensioners for the holes in the budget, just like i said with the conservative party, they have this obsession with thinking free school meals is some bad thing and we should not be feeding the kids of rich people and should not give rich pensioners fuel allowance. these people have invested in this country and deserve that bit of a benefit.— that bit of a benefit. james, g by the equation _ that bit of a benefit. james, g by the equation that _ that bit of a benefit. james, g by the equation that this _ that bit of a benefit. james, g by the equation that this is - that bit of a benefit. james, g by the equation that this is taking . the equation that this is taking some money away from pensioners to give better pay settlements to public sector workers of working age? public sector workers of working are? ., ., , . ., , age? no, that is ridiculous, giving really quite _ age? no, that is ridiculous, giving really quite moderate _ age? no, that is ridiculous, giving really quite moderate pay - age? no, that is ridiculous, giving really quite moderate pay rises i really quite moderate pay rises after _ really quite moderate pay rises after years _ really quite moderate pay rises after years and _ really quite moderate pay rises after years and years _ really quite moderate pay rises after years and years of - really quite moderate pay rises after years and years of real. really quite moderate pay rises . after years and years of real term pay cuts — after years and years of real term pay cuts to — after years and years of real term pay cuts to nurses, _ after years and years of real term pay cuts to nurses, teachers, - pay cuts to nurses, teachers, doctors — pay cuts to nurses, teachers, doctors and — pay cuts to nurses, teachers, doctors and so _ pay cuts to nurses, teachers, doctors and so on. _ pay cuts to nurses, teachers, doctors and so on. it - pay cuts to nurses, teachers, doctors and so on. it is- pay cuts to nurses, teachers, i doctors and so on. it is perfectly compatible — doctors and so on. it is perfectly compatible with _ doctors and so on. it is perfectly compatible with carrying - doctors and so on. it is perfectly compatible with carrying on - doctors and so on. it is perfectly compatible with carrying on withj compatible with carrying on with this good — compatible with carrying on with this good universal— compatible with carrying on with this good universal winter- compatible with carrying on with this good universal winter fuel l this good universal winter fuel allowance _ this good universal winter fuel allowance. the _ this good universal winter fuel allowance. the reason- this good universal winter fuel allowance. the reason why - this good universal winter fuel| allowance. the reason why the this good universal winter fuel - allowance. the reason why the cuts are being _ allowance. the reason why the cuts are being made _ allowance. the reason why the cuts are being made is— allowance. the reason why the cuts are being made is because - allowance. the reason why the cuts are being made is because rachel. are being made is because rachel reeves _ are being made is because rachel reeves is — are being made is because rachel reeves is too _

are being made is because rachel reeves is too frightened - are being made is because rachel reeves is too frightened to - are being made is because rachel reeves is too frightened to tax i are being made is because racheli reeves is too frightened to tax the wealth— reeves is too frightened to tax the wealth of— reeves is too frightened to tax the wealth of those _ reeves is too frightened to tax the wealth of those who _ reeves is too frightened to tax the wealth of those who have - reeves is too frightened to tax the wealth of those who have it, - reeves is too frightened to tax the wealth of those who have it, who i reeves is too frightened to tax the i wealth of those who have it, who art the very— wealth of those who have it, who art the very top — wealth of those who have it, who art the very top of— wealth of those who have it, who art the very top of society, _ wealth of those who have it, who art the very top of society, the - the very top of society, the billionaires _ the very top of society, the billionaires and _ the very top of society, the billionaires and bankers - the very top of society, the i billionaires and bankers and the very top of society, the - billionaires and bankers and bosses. where _ billionaires and bankers and bosses. where you _ billionaires and bankers and bosses. where you could _ billionaires and bankers and bosses. where you could raise _ billionaires and bankers and bosses. where you could raise the _ billionaires and bankers and bosses. where you could raise the money. billionaires and bankers and bosses. i where you could raise the money that we need _ where you could raise the money that we need with— where you could raise the money that we need with a — where you could raise the money that we need with a wealth _ where you could raise the money that we need with a wealth tax _ where you could raise the money that we need with a wealth tax and - where you could raise the money that we need with a wealth tax and also i we need with a wealth tax and also increase _ we need with a wealth tax and also increase the — we need with a wealth tax and also increase the services _ we need with a wealth tax and also increase the services that - we need with a wealth tax and also increase the services that we - we need with a wealth tax and also increase the services that we all i increase the services that we all rely on — increase the services that we all rely on so— increase the services that we all rely on. so no, _ increase the services that we all rely on. so no, it _ increase the services that we all rely on. so no, it is _ increase the services that we all rely on. so no, it is a _ increase the services that we all| rely on. so no, it is a completely false _ rely on. so no, it is a completely false framinq _ rely on. so no, it is a completely false framing and _ rely on. so no, it is a completely false framing and i— rely on. so no, it is a completely false framing and i think- rely on. so no, it is a completely false framing and i think craig i rely on. so no, it is a completely false framing and i think craig is| false framing and i think craig is right— false framing and i think craig is right that — false framing and i think craig is right that you _ false framing and i think craig is right that you do _ false framing and i think craig is right that you do slightly - false framing and i think craig is right that you do slightly walk. false framing and i think craig is l right that you do slightly walk into it by making — right that you do slightly walk into it by making a _ right that you do slightly walk into it by making a big— right that you do slightly walk into it by making a big song _ right that you do slightly walk into it by making a big song and - right that you do slightly walk into it by making a big song and dance| it by making a big song and dance about— it by making a big song and dance about the — it by making a big song and dance about the fact _ it by making a big song and dance about the fact that _ it by making a big song and dance about the fact that you _ it by making a big song and dance about the fact that you are - it by making a big song and dancel about the fact that you are making this cut, _ about the fact that you are making this cut, qivinq _ about the fact that you are making this cut, giving the _ about the fact that you are making this cut, giving the right—wing - about the fact that you are making this cut, giving the right—wing the| this cut, giving the right—wing the whole _ this cut, giving the right—wing the whole summer— this cut, giving the right—wing the whole summer to _ this cut, giving the right—wing the whole summer to build _ this cut, giving the right—wing the whole summer to build up - this cut, giving the right—wing the whole summer to build up a - this cut, giving the right—wing the - whole summer to build up a campaign on it _ whole summer to build up a campaign on it and— whole summer to build up a campaign on it and to— whole summer to build up a campaign on it. and to frame _ whole summer to build up a campaign on it. and to frame it— whole summer to build up a campaign on it. and to frame it in— whole summer to build up a campaign on it. and to frame it in exactly- on it. and to frame it in exactly that— on it. and to frame it in exactly that way— on it. and to frame it in exactly that way which _ on it. and to frame it in exactly that way which is _ on it. and to frame it in exactly that way which is a _ on it. and to frame it in exactly that way which is a nonsense, i that way which is a nonsense, because — that way which is a nonsense, because qivinq _ that way which is a nonsense, because giving nurses - that way which is a nonsense, because giving nurses a - that way which is a nonsense, because giving nurses a pay. that way which is a nonsense, . because giving nurses a pay rise then— because giving nurses a pay rise then all— because giving nurses a pay rise then all people _ because giving nurses a pay rise then all people cannot - because giving nurses a pay rise then all people cannot have - because giving nurses a pay risei then all people cannot have their winter— then all people cannot have their winter fuel— then all people cannot have their winter fuel allowance. _ then all people cannot have their winter fuel allowance. presumably this will be officially _ winter fuel allowance. presumably this will be officially part - winter fuel allowance. presumably this will be officially part of - winter fuel allowance. presumably this will be officially part of the . this will be officially part of the budget on the 30th of october which needs to be voted on in parliament. can you imagine left—wing labour mps potentially rebelling on the budget? i would hope so if there are bad

things in it. there are different ways in which rebellions can happen, some may put forward a sensible amendment to make the budget more progressive and make it better for the majority of people, to put in a wealth tax. and i would hope that not only left—wing or progressive labour mps but those of good conscience of all kinds of parties and none would support this. taking us back to the _ and none would support this. taking us back to the david _ and none would support this. taking us back to the david cameron - and none would support this. taking us back to the david cameron era i and none would support this. taking | us back to the david cameron era why was always the case that she could have the triple lock on pensions which meant that pensions went up generously a year and you had the winter fuel payment simultaneously, why was it ok have both?— why was it ok have both? especially in an era of — why was it ok have both? especially in an era of austerity. _ why was it ok have both? especially in an era of austerity. that - why was it ok have both? especially in an era of austerity. that is - in an era of austerity. that is politics. _ in an era of austerity. that is politics, you make choices and you io politics, you make choices and you go to— politics, you make choices and you go to give — politics, you make choices and you go to give things to the people you think are _ go to give things to the people you think are likely to vote for you, it is a political— think are likely to vote for you, it is a political decision. i thought you were — is a political decision. i thought you were going to ask me why rachel reeves _ you were going to ask me why rachel reeves and _ you were going to ask me why rachel reeves and the labour party had not made _ reeves and the labour party had not made more — reeves and the labour party had not made more the fact that in the past generation— made more the fact that in the past generation will seem generous gifts towards _ generation will seem generous gifts towards the elderly while the young

have become poorer and poorer. and that it _ have become poorer and poorer. and that it seems to be to be the argument that she needs to make. i'm not sure _ argument that she needs to make. i'm not sure that _ argument that she needs to make. i'm not sure that making the argument about— not sure that making the argument about increasing taxes on people is going _ about increasing taxes on people is going to _ about increasing taxes on people is going to work, they won by tacking towards _ going to work, they won by tacking towards the centre and suggesting that we _ towards the centre and suggesting that we will not be the kind of party that does this. but i think it is an— party that does this. but i think it is an own — party that does this. but i think it is an own goal and if they're smart they will— is an own goal and if they're smart they will start fighting for it are making — they will start fighting for it are making the case for why they did it and saying — making the case for why they did it and saying it is about fairness. thank— and saying it is about fairness. thank you _ and saying it is about fairness. thank you for the feedback on my interviewing technique, only my third new site! i know that you are in favour of the tax break on private school fees being abolished? i think this is another fight that they do not need to have. i'm opposed to it, this will impact a lot of aspirational ethnic minority communities. when you talk about state schools, and these cabinet members being happy for their children to go to state schools, but

they are within the catchment areas of pound houses and other families who are nurses and doctors are normal people are having to fork out a few thousand a year to send their kids to private schools and i think that is also going to be a vote loser for them especially within aspirational ethnic minority communities. i aspirational ethnic minority communities.— aspirational ethnic minority communities. ~ .,. communities. i think the exact opposite. _ communities. i think the exact opposite. what _ communities. i think the exact opposite, what they're - communities. i think the exact opposite, what they're doing l communities. i think the exact| opposite, what they're doing is giving — opposite, what they're doing is giving thousands of more teachers to state schools where the overwhelming majority _ state schools where the overwhelming majority of _ state schools where the overwhelming majority of children go to school and moving a subsidy for private schools. — and moving a subsidy for private schools, private schools exempt from vat and _ schools, private schools exempt from vat and basically everything else -ets vat and basically everything else gets vat — vat and basically everything else gets vat committed to sending that exemption in order to have more teachers — exemption in order to have more teachers in — exemption in order to have more teachers in schools where most kids are. teachers in schools where most kids are it _ teachers in schools where most kids are. it seems a very sensible reform _ are. it seems a very sensible reform. �* . are. it seems a very sensible reform. . ., , , ., are. it seems a very sensible reform. ~ ., , , ., ., , , reform. again this will be a massive divide between _ reform. again this will be a massive divide between kind _ reform. again this will be a massive divide between kind of— reform. again this will be a massive divide between kind of eton - reform. again this will be a massive divide between kind of eton and - divide between kind of eton and state school kids. again the whole thing is that they are picking an unnecessary fight and it was the

same with a two child cap where many people felt uncomfortable that that was not scrapped. so people will feel uncomfortable with some things. i suppose the theme of this conversation is unexploded land mines in the next few months as politics starts up again after the summer break. can you give me a prediction of something that could blow up? thames water will collapse. leading to what kind of political dot? . , leading to what kind of political dot? ., , . ., leading to what kind of political dot? ., ., dot? thames water will collapse and then the fight _ dot? thames water will collapse and then the fight will— dot? thames water will collapse and then the fight will be _ dot? thames water will collapse and then the fight will be over _ dot? thames water will collapse and then the fight will be over whether . then the fight will be over whether then the fight will be over whether the government will bail out shareholders or whether shell hurlers take nothing as it will have to be brought public ownership. —— shareholders. to be brought public ownership. -- shareholders.— to be brought public ownership. -- shareholders. how the home office takes forward _ shareholders. how the home office takes forward this _ shareholders. how the home office takes forward this new _ shareholders. how the home office takes forward this new advisory - takes forward this new advisory policy— takes forward this new advisory policy of— takes forward this new advisory policy of treating misogyny in the murder— policy of treating misogyny in the murder of— policy of treating misogyny in the murder of women like terrorism. how does that— murder of women like terrorism. how does that really translate into actual— does that really translate into actual policy that we can all work with? _ actual policy that we can all work with? , , ., .,

with? the big thing is the target to halve violence _ with? the big thing is the target to halve violence against _ with? the big thing is the target to halve violence against women - with? the big thing is the target to halve violence against women and | halve violence against women and girls that does not have a number attached to it.— girls that does not have a number attached to it. having worked in the home office — attached to it. having worked in the home office i— attached to it. having worked in the home office i think _ attached to it. having worked in the home office i think the _ attached to it. having worked in the home office i think the home - attached to it. having worked in the | home office i think the home office is strong and powerful but there has to be a systemic change. the attached to it. having worked in the home office i think the _ attached to it. having worked in the home office i think the home - attached to it. having worked in the | home office i think the home office is strong and powerful but there has to be a systemic change. the department of health, education and media have a bigger role to play so hopefully there will be a cross—party and cross departmental work on that. find cross-party and cross departmental work on that-— work on that. and how do you think the tory leadership contest - work on that. and how do you thinkj the tory leadership contest is going thus far? they've all agreed on the winter fuel thing, what does that show? ~ winter fuel thing, what does that show? ,, ., , ., show? i think that is part of the problem. _ show? i think that is part of the problem, they all _ show? i think that is part of the problem, they all looked like i problem, they all looked like being from the past and saying obvious thinqs— from the past and saying obvious things are nothing fresh. in terms of what may go boom, is the labour party— of what may go boom, is the labour party going to break election promises not to raise certain taxes? if promises not to raise certain taxes? if they— promises not to raise certain taxes? if they do _ promises not to raise certain taxes? if they do that i think that can be very interesting.— if they do that i think that can be very interesting. thank you all for 'oinin: very interesting. thank you all for joining us- _ very interesting. thank you all for joining us- just — very interesting. thank you all for joining us- just a _ very interesting. thank you all for joining us. just a few— very interesting. thank you all for joining us. just a few minutes - very interesting. thank you all for joining us. just a few minutes to i joining us. just a few minutes to look at the newspapers tomorrow. the times newspaper on a similar theme saying pm warned empowering unions

will stifle growth. that