your say on this. want to have your say on this. energy prices will go up from october by on average 149 for a typical household. more for many more. that's lower than last winter but at the same time government support has fallen. no more cost of living payments, which were instigated by the conservatives. an end to winter fuel payments for 10 million pensioners in england and wales. to say that is a lively issue is an understatement. nicking 300 quid annually of poor pensioners means the value of the promised triple—lock annual raise is seriously and severely reduced. paul, thank you for that. governments are supposed to look after those in need, those elderly people have contributed to society and are now being neglected and

targeted by labour. there are many who say, i'm a pensioner and i've had it good, i've got a nice house, i got it cheap, i've been looked after, i don't need this. we'll see what you have to say on this. annie and brian, good morning, and its pensioners but it's also everyone, how is the energy price cut going to affect you? it's an ill wind and will soon be an icy one. good morning, have your say. good morning- _ morning, have your say. good morning- i _ morning, have your say. good morning. i was _ morning, have your say. good morning. i was really - morning, have your say. good morning. i was really shocked| morning, have your say. (2an morning. i was really shocked about this. me and my partner are both disabled pensioners and housebound, so we can't go out and sit in a library or anywhere else to keep warm. plus we have carers seven hours a day, so they can't be expected to work in the cold. ijust didn't see this coming. we will manage this year but we have massive

care bills we have to contribute to and we have a bit of money that my partner's and mum left and in trust which we are using to pay for his care at the moment but when that's gone, it's gone. i don't know what we're going to do even for care bills. forthis, i heard a we're going to do even for care bills. for this, i heard a beautiful martin lewis was saying, saying it's a bit less than last year but then it's 10% this time, it may go up again injanuary and we don't know what it's going to be doing next year or the year after all the year after. i assume this isn't a temporary thing the government have done, at least they've not said it is. so, we are one of those pensioners, about 2 million, who are just over the threshold for getting pension credit. we applied for it and were told we had about £20 a

week too much between us to be able to get it. so, even though we have big care bills, we have big heating bills, not last winter but the winter before when it was really —10 or —11 for 12 days i think, the bill just for december was £300. so, i just for december was £300. so, i just can't believe. this is the most unlabour thing. we've voted labour all our lives except for after the iraq war and i can't believe the labour party would do this and they never mentioned it before the election. �* ,., never mentioned it before the election. �* . , never mentioned it before the election. �* ., , ., ~ election. i'm so angry about it. and the were election. i'm so angry about it. and they were attacking _ election. i'm so angry about it. and they were attacking the _ they were attacking the conservatives for possibly doing it to fund national insurance cut. listen, you've come on and you

illustrate the whole thing about there is a physical spreadsheet but then there's individual circumstances that have to be taken into account. human beings. and their lives. listen to brian. brian, what would you like to say? i’m their lives. listen to brian. brian, what would you like to say? i'm 77 and i was born _ what would you like to say? i'm 77 and i was born in _ what would you like to say? i'm 77 and i was born in this _ what would you like to say? i'm 77 and i was born in this country - what would you like to say? i'm 77 and i was born in this countryjustl and i was born in this countryjust before the nhs came in. i and my family have paid into the system all of our lives. my wife died five years ago, we were childless. i have no support now. i live on my own. my gas boiler breakdown not long ago and i was told by the gas board that they were going to fit a metre for gas and electricity, which they did. but when they came they told me that

because i didn't have any other functioning gas apparatus in the house, they would have to cut off my gas, which they have done. so now evenif gas, which they have done. so now even if i have the money, and i was quoted £15,000 for a new boiler, everybody has seen covid as an opportunity to put their prices up. and i couldn't afford that so i'm without gas heating in the house. the new boiler, it's one of the curve balls that contact people in life and writing, goodness me, i have to do something about that. what difference did the winter fuel payments make to you? i4541431111. what difference did the winter fuel payments make to you?— payments make to you? well, it heled. payments make to you? well, it helped- it _ payments make to you? well, it helped. it would _ payments make to you? well, it helped. it would help _ payments make to you? well, it helped. it would help me - payments make to you? well, it helped. it would help me now. payments make to you? well, it i helped. it would help me now even more so because so many prices have gone up. my money is stretched

tight. | gone up. my money is stretched tight. i had a full not long ago and i broke my back in two places. my right leg in four places. so i'm living in one room downstairs, which i'm trying to heat through the winter months and just praying that we don't get an electric outage because if we do, i'm without any heating house. and i never expected to find myself in the sort of situation. i'm still paying the standing charge for the gas but i'm not getting any benefit from that. that is purportedly to support the supply of gas to the house but of course i'm not getting any gas in—house. it's a crazy situation, really. i can do nothing about it.

it's a real privilege to have you on the programme and thank you for telling us about this. what kind of pension are you one at the moment and how survival do you feel it is? i have the police pension. i was in the metropolitan police. and i have my old age pension. which gets me by. but of course, with all the rises going on, everything in the shops, everywhere prices are rising. the pensions don't rise to the same extent. , , ~ extent. there is the triple-lock. well, there _ extent. there is the triple-lock. well, there is _ extent. there is the triple-lock. well, there is but _ extent. there is the triple-lock. well, there is but that's - extent. there is the triple-lock. well, there is but that's under | well, there is but that's under threat as well, i think, from what i hear. ~ , . , threat as well, i think, from what i hear-_ the _ threat as well, i think, from what i hear._ the labour- threat as well, i think, from what i i hear._ the labour party hear. we shall see. the labour party said they would _ hear. we shall see. the labour party said they would never _ hear. we shall see. the labour party said they would never do _ hear. we shall see. the labour party said they would never do away - hear. we shall see. the labour party said they would never do away with l said they would never do away with the fuel allowance, the winter fuel

allowance and now they've done it and may it's only a certain amount of people they've done it to, if they get away with it then extended even further. they get away with it then extended even further-— they get away with it then extended even further. ., ~ , ., . ., even further. thank you so much and i ho -e we even further. thank you so much and i hone we can — even further. thank you so much and i hope we can talk— even further. thank you so much and i hope we can talk again _ even further. thank you so much and i hope we can talk again at _ even further. thank you so much and i hope we can talk again at some - i hope we can talk again at some stage and tell us how things are working out. the point made there by brian, it's been made by a lot of people, a purported black hole, it covers a multitude potential of u—turns. let's go with andy in nottingham and karen in hull and james in the isle of wight. hello. karen, what do you think about this, energy prices, the energy cap and also the whole issue of the winter fuel allowance? 50. also the whole issue of the winter fuel allowance?— fuel allowance? so, ithink that it's disappointing _ fuel allowance? so, ithink that it's disappointing today - fuel allowance? so, ithink that it's disappointing today to - fuel allowance? so, ithink that it's disappointing today to hear| it's disappointing today to hear that prices are going to rise but i do think that you have to take it in

the context of different incomes and circumstances. for example in hull, we have 23,000 council houses, all of them will have their central heating serviced as part of their rental agreement so they are efficient and lots of those people will be entitled to the winter fuel allowance because they are still on pension credit. i think also the government is doing things, we need to stop our reliance on importing gas. in east yorkshire we have a third of the uk gas coming through... from fields abroad and the quicker we invest in renewable energy to make ourselves self—sufficient in energy, the quicker that prices can come down. that's going to take a while. it is

but the biggest _ that's going to take a while. it 3 but the biggest problem with that's going to take a while. it 1 but the biggest problem with that is the connection to the grid. it doesn't take very long to build a wind turbine. i was involved in that industry for quite some time. the other thing is i think it's quite reasonable to look at means testing in terms of providing people with winter fuel allowance. in terms of providing people with winterfuelallowance. i in terms of providing people with winterfuel allowance. i don't want to see anybody go cold or anyone who is vulnerable and got health conditions go cold but what we can do is we can also ask the government to invest in cladding and things of properties and insulation to try and help people bring their house bills down. i think also we can all do things ourselves. we've become very sort of used to wearing a shirt, you

can put a sort of used to wearing a shirt, you can putajumper sort of used to wearing a shirt, you can put a jumper on. i know that sounds simple but there's lots of things you can do. i've got a three bedroom house and when myjob first finished and i didn't have the state pension as well, just a very low pension as well, just a very low pension which was like a hundred quid a week, i wasjust pension which was like a hundred quid a week, i was just above the benefit level and ifound quid a week, i was just above the benefit level and i found ways of reducing my bills and it didn't result in me living in one room, it wasjust a case result in me living in one room, it was just a case of being sensible. my was just a case of being sensible. my bills are nothing like what you quote on the telly, really. for my bills are nothing like what you quote on the telly, really.- quote on the telly, really. for a lot of pensioners, _ quote on the telly, really. for a lot of pensioners, their- quote on the telly, really. for a l lot of pensioners, their premium quote on the telly, really. for a lot of pensioners, their premium and the usp is wisdom and practicality and there will be many like you trying everything to try and stay warm. thank you. let me go to james in the isle of wight and june in middlesbrough as well. good morning, james. what would you like to say?

good morning. inaudible my windows are all draughty, i can't insulate the loft, i can't get permission to put solar panels on the roof, so i only have heating on in one room. this panels on the roof, so i only have heating on in one room. this isn't a treat line heating on in one room. this isn't a great line but _ heating on in one room. this isn't a great line but i'm _ heating on in one room. this isn't a great line but i'm getting _ heating on in one room. this isn't a great line but i'm getting the - heating on in one room. this isn't a great line but i'm getting the gist i great line but i'm getting the gist of it. what we sing about not being able to insulate the loft? i of it. what we sing about not being able to insulate the loft?— able to insulate the loft? i can't aet able to insulate the loft? i can't get access _ able to insulate the loft? i can't get access to — able to insulate the loft? i can't get access to the _ able to insulate the loft? i can't get access to the loft. - able to insulate the loft? i can't get access to the loft. when - able to insulate the loft? i can't. get access to the loft. when they built the building, they did not put in loft access because in a flat, there 11 flats three levels high and

none of the roofs have access to the loft. iis none of the roofs have access to the loft. , ., , .,, loft. is somebody who used to sell cavi wall loft. is somebody who used to sell cavity wall insulation _ loft. is somebody who used to sell cavity wall insulation many - loft. is somebody who used to sell cavity wall insulation many years l cavity wall insulation many years ago, something like 30% of your heat goes out the roof. yes. ago, something like 30% of your heat goes out the roof.— ago, something like 3096 of your heat goes out the roof.— goes out the roof. yes. also with the windows... _ goes out the roof. yes. also with the windows... inaudible - goes out the roof. yes. also with the windows... inaudible | - goes out the roof. yes. also with j the windows... inaudible i can't goes out the roof. yes. also with - the windows... inaudible i can't get the windows... inaudible i can't get the windows... inaudible i can't get the windows replaced. there are drafts coming through them but i cannotjust go out and replace them. it's my responsibility to pay but you have to have the permission of the freeholder.—

the freeholder. listen, it's really aood to the freeholder. listen, it's really good to hear— the freeholder. listen, it's really good to hear about _ the freeholder. listen, it's really good to hear about these - the freeholder. listen, it's really i good to hear about these particular circumstances because it paints the picture of people who are going to struggle in the face of what some people are arguing is a pretty blunt instrument. thank you very much. eleanor in kilbirnie, good morning. it's my home country. the energy price cut, what will it mean for you? price cut, what will it mean for ou? ~ ., ., �* you? well, it will mean that i'll have to be _ you? well, it will mean that i'll have to be a — you? well, it will mean that i'll have to be a bit _ you? well, it will mean that i'll have to be a bit more - you? well, it will mean that i'll have to be a bit more careful. i j have to be a bit more careful. i don't get pension credit. i have written a letter to mr sweeney to say that my husband and i worked all our lives and every time there is a benefit of some kind, we don't get it. that's not entirely true because now i get the lower part of

attendance allowance. i've had an operation on my foot, i'm waiting for a new knee, i've also had a heart condition. i only started getting the lower part of the attendance allowance at the end of last year. so, this energy thing has been a big upset from day one. i was brought up in a prefab with a very small fire. if the fire was out we gathered sticks and put it on but you can't do that now because there's no fires. you have to switch there's no fires. you have to switch the heating on all the time to try. i live in a house that fortunately is a very nice house built in 1926, so it is old and my biggest fear is

that i get frozen pipes during the winter. so last year i was keeping the heating on through the night. i can't see myself doing that this year. can't see myself doing that this ear. �* . . , year. and it gets chilly in kilbirnie. — year. and it gets chilly in kilbirnie. it _ year. and it gets chilly in kilbirnie. it certainly - year. and it gets chilly in i kilbirnie. it certainly does! year. and it gets chilly in - kilbirnie. it certainly does! all the best to — kilbirnie. it certainly does! all the best to you. _ kilbirnie. it certainly does! all the best to you. thank - kilbirnie. it certainly does! all the best to you. thank you . kilbirnie. it certainly does! all. the best to you. thank you very much. elizabeth in croydon, davey in edinburgh. we'll be back with you, davey. elizabeth, what are your thoughts on this? a big political row, big practical problems for people up and down the country in different circumstances. she is not yet there but we have the aforementioned davey in edinburgh. hello. i do to you. i aforementioned davey in edinburgh. hello. i do to you.— hello. i do to you. i think the current administration, - hello. i do to you. i think the current administration, in - current administration, in particular the current chancellor, is being demonised over this. because the previous administration

threw money at this for no good reason. they gave money to people that really didn't need it. so hence we are in this position.— we are in this position. gordon brown instigated _ we are in this position. gordon brown instigated this, - we are in this position. gordon brown instigated this, didn't i we are in this position. gordon i brown instigated this, didn't he, the winter fuel payment? fik. brown instigated this, didn't he, the winter fuel payment? ok. that could well be _ the winter fuel payment? ok. that could well be but _ the winter fuel payment? ok. that could well be but i'm _ the winter fuel payment? ok. that could well be but i'm talking - the winter fuel payment? ok. that could well be but i'm talking about| could well be but i'm talking about the giveaway that everybody got, starting off with £150 and that went to every household in the country. the cost of living payment? that was at the time of the war in ukraine, wasn't it, and fuel prices rocketed and people were really struggling, so it helped a lot of people. fair enou~h, so it helped a lot of people. fair enough. i _ so it helped a lot of people. fair enough. i take _ so it helped a lot of people. fair enough, i take any— so it helped a lot of people. fa; " enough, i take any point about anybody getting assistance but i think it should only go so far. i hear you. think it should only go so far. i hearyou. some think it should only go so far. i hear you. some people inevitably got it he didn't need it. june in

middlesbrough, good morning. what you feel about the government right now all this? it’s you feel about the government right now all this?— now all this? it's quite depressing, reall . now all this? it's quite depressing, really- i'm — now all this? it's quite depressing, really- i'm a _ now all this? it's quite depressing, really. i'm a pensioner— now all this? it's quite depressing, really. i'm a pensioner in - now all this? it's quite depressing, really. i'm a pensioner in my- now all this? it's quite depressing, really. i'm a pensioner in my 70s. | really. i'm a pensioner in my 70s. you spend half your time nowjust trying to balance your books, really. what you're going to pay, how you're going to pay it. i've had businesses in the past, paid every tax, corporation tax, all of it and i couldn't get pension credit because i have a pension and i've got a small private pension from my late husband which just takes me over that. when you know you're getting a bit of help towards the winter bills, when we know how high they can go, and it'sjust winter bills, when we know how high they can go, and it's just taken away like that, i've been spending

time this morning trying to look through other utility companies to see if i can get it cheaper but i suppose it's a bad time now that we know the rates are going to go up, prices are going to go up. years ago, when they started doing the north sea drilling for gas, i remember then in the news all the time how important this wasn't it was going to be cheaper for us all the country with lower fuel costs and everything. you don't hear about that now and i don't know if it's all been used up or not, i'm not really up on it... all been used up or not, i'm not really up on it. . ._ all been used up or not, i'm not really up on it... that was another row popular _ really up on it... that was another row popular it _ really up on it... that was another row popular it was _ really up on it... that was another row popular it was a _ really up on it... that was another row popular it was a thing - really up on it... that was another row popular it was a thing in - really up on it... that was another row popular it was a thing in the i row popular it was a thing in the day. i rememberthe row popular it was a thing in the day. i remember the snp campaigns in all those elections we had in the early 705, it's scotland's oil. i

remember all that and it was all about scotland turning into a tartan emirate. those days are dribbling away. emirate. those days are dribbling awa . ., . y emirate. those days are dribbling awa . ., ., , ., ., away. now we are relying on other countries holding _ away. now we are relying on other countries holding us _ away. now we are relying on other countries holding us to _ away. now we are relying on other countries holding us to ransom. i away. now we are relying on other| countries holding us to ransom. it's what ed miliband is saying, we have to transition and quickly, that's the point he's making today. it’s the point he's making today. it's cra that the point he's making today. it�*s crazy that we rely on other countries and they've got a gun to our heads. another thing i would like to mention is these utility companies. the 5tanding charges they make as well. when you look at your bill, —£30 out of the total charge. charges. can't they do something about that as well? what is the standard charges for? pressing a couple of buttons on their computer? it doesn't make sense to me either.

there is a £1700 cap now. i pay over £2000 in the last 12 months. so where is the cap for me?- £2000 in the last 12 months. so where is the cap for me? what is this auoin where is the cap for me? what is this going to _ where is the cap for me? what is this going to mean _ where is the cap for me? what is this going to mean for— where is the cap for me? what is this going to mean for you? - where is the cap for me? what is this going to mean for you? i - where is the cap for me? what is | this going to mean for you? i can't afford it, this going to mean for you? i can't afford it. it's _ this going to mean for you? i can't afford it, it's as _ this going to mean for you? i can't afford it, it's as simple _ this going to mean for you? i can't afford it, it's as simple as - this going to mean for you? i can't afford it, it's as simple as that. . afford it, it's as simple as that. it's as simple as that. elizabeth in croydon, i mentioned you a few moments ago, you are here now. so, i bet you've got something to say about this, well, i know you have. well, i'm confused in some respects and angry and others. my husband and i have worked since we were 16 until we were 16 until with a 68. i worked when my three children were young, i had to work, we pay the bills, we did everything and we paid into a small pension with the local 5mall pension with the local authority that we worked for. and it is a small one. it's not like a final salary scheme or anything. we were told when we applied for help

when we needed it that we are £10 over the limit and we can't claim any benefits, housing benefits, rate help, anything at all. so we rely on this £300. my question is to the government, we keep getting told many times that there are billions of pounds of unclaimed benefits that pensioners can claim and they don't. it's sitting there presumably earning interest to the government. why can't that money be used for pensioners generally to get their heating allowance? there are so many people that need it.— people that need it. well, i hope that government _ people that need it. well, i hope that government figures - people that need it. well, i hope that government figures are - people that need it. well, i hope - that government figures are watching and listening and they will be and that's why it's so valuable for you good people to come on and make

these points about your individual circumstances and i can't thank you enough. ashley in leeds, hello. we've got you, we are hearing a lot from people who are pensioners or nearly pensioners, you're not. idle nearly pensioners, you're not. me and m nearly pensioners, you're not. ij�*ia: and my partner nearly pensioners, you're not. iia: and my partner are nearly pensioners, you're not. ii2 and my partner are both nearly pensioners, you're not. ii2 and my partnerare both in nearly pensioners, you're not. ii2 and my partner are both in our mid 305 and from what we've seen in the last few days with the energy price rise, it's another kick to keep us down, really. we both work full time, my partner works for the nhs and at a certain point where do you stop with it? when you vote for elected officials and they don't mention the sorts of things, obviously they are taking off people, my mum is in her 705 and she's had her winter heating allowance ta ken of she's had her winter heating allowance taken of her. we also help out with that because of this issue doesn't work so that's another thing that either we'll have to help her

out with, we that either we'll have to help her outwith, we both work full time, we rent, rental prices are ridiculous at the moment in this country. i'm fortunate that i have quite a decent job, not to sound too smug but we still have to watch what we spend in case something goes up, we get charged more, there's a fear that we'll owe money after winter with energy prices over the last few years. to be honest, it's notjust affecting people that are 60 and over. a lot of my friends in their 305 and it effects them too. food prices is another thing. i know it's not really on topic but it adds to a greater sum of worry and not really knowing what's going to happen. and knowing what's going to happen. and ou're knowing what's going to happen. and you're both working. we _ knowing what's going to happen. and you're both working. we both - knowing what's going to happen. and you're both working. we both work. you're both working. we both work full-time. unfortunate _ you're both working. we both work full-time. unfortunate to - you're both working. we both work full-time. unfortunate to have - you're both working. we both work. full-time. unfortunate to have quite full—time. unfortunate to have quite a good job, my partner works for the

nhs. we it's not great at the minute with understaffing and the hours she works. its overall not good when you find news like this coming through. inevitably it's quite blustery everywhere and you think about when that wind is going to be cold and what it's going to be like. yes. what it's going to be like. yes, it's an area _ what it's going to be like. yes, it's an area of— what it's going to be like. yes, it's an area of uncertainty - what it's going to be like. yes, it's an area of uncertainty for. it's an area of uncertainty for everyone. ijust wanted to say it's notjust everyone. ijust wanted to say it's not just affecting everyone. ijust wanted to say it's notjust affecting pensioners. it's a problem from top to bottom, new buyers, renters. its, a problem from top to bottom, new buyers. renters— a problem from top to bottom, new buyers, renters. a problem from top to bottom and _ buyers, renters. a problem from top to bottom and exacerbated - buyers, renters. a problem from top to bottom and exacerbated some - buyers, renters. a problem from top i to bottom and exacerbated some might say by the energy price cap going up, the average amount that people will pay. thank you everybody and thank you for watching us on bbc two and bbc news. it has been a bit of a

stormy day so far but conditions are improving and will continue to do so today. an afternoon of sunshine and blustery showers as well. storm lillian is already out into the north sea. in scotland a bit more blustery. frequent showers, the same in northern ireland, england and wales with very few showers around. quite a few will stay dry in central and eastern areas. out of the breeze, temperatures feeling quite pleasant. the south—east is dry for a time but then this rain pushing up across southern england, south east midlands, east anglia and the south—east. warm air with it as well. at the start of the weekend, grey and wet across the southern and eastern areas. things will gradually

improve, a slow improvement, the rain lingering across the south—east. heavy showers, some of those thundery, easing in the north and west later. another sunshine and shower day for scotland and northern ireland. lighterwinds shower day for scotland and northern ireland. lighter winds tomorrow for england and wales, still a bit of a breeze for scotland and northern ireland but for the bank holiday temperature is a bit disappointing. three saturday night it turns quiet. by three saturday night it turns quiet. by day we see the next weather system moving in. the best of the weatherfor system moving in. the best of the weather for many in the morning. sunshine in central and eastern parts. cloud increasing, outbreaks of rain, if you brighter breaks. dry throughout east anglia and the south—east when we could see temperatures back up into the low 205. rather cool elsewhere specially for scotland and northern ireland. into monday, the sunshine is back a bit more. a few light showers around but for many a dry monday, varying

amounts of cloud, temperatures creeping up and next week some of you will feel some return.

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