in fact, at times, it seemed like he was everywhere. sri lanka's skipper was out lbw, with his side still trailing. but there's normally light in a test match if you really seek it, and sri lanka then steadily batted towards it. a significant partnership built between angelo mathews and kamindu mendis, shifting the mood. sri lanka closed 82 ahead but six wickets down. mathews fell to a catch even the crowd might have been proud of. joe wilson, bbc news, old trafford. time for a look at the weather. this programme continues on bbc one.

tonight, labour's growing headache over pensioners. now, martin lewis is to meet rachel reeves. he tells us why. and president putin's next steps, rated by one man who dared to confront him.

hello. the consumer champion martin lewis is to meet the chancellor rachel reeves over poorer pensioners. when it comes to the cost of living crisis, this is the political equivalent for labour of release the cracken. he tells us tonight millions of poorer pensioners need extra help. to discuss are stephen bush of the financial times and broadcaster inaya folarin iman. hello to you both, thank you for coming. the energy price cap is going up by ten pence in the pound. bills will still be lower than last year but universal winter weather payments are being withdrawn. millions will be worse off as a result, including poorer pensioners and this is not a good look for the new government — so says martin lewis.

he pursued the conservatives over the cost of living crisis. he has millions of supporters who want him to be chancellor. he told me why he'll be meeting the real one — rachel reeves — and what ideas he has to boost who's eligible for help. i think where we are right now, with the energy price cap going up 10%, which really is diminishing all the benefits, most of the benefits that we have had from the prices coming down, it's looking a very hard winterfor pensioners. this is a bad look for the new government and i hope it will soften this in the budget. whether it does the council tax system or another system, i don't care. it needs to broaden the eligibility criteria somewhat. what's going to be the effect on people who are drawing a pension? well, i think if you look at the numbers, pretty much every pensioner will be shelling out more for energy this year, net, than they did last year. so while the energy price cap is going up 10%, this winter the rate you pay

for energy will still be cheaper than last winter because the energy price cap has already gone down. but if we look at what we would expect a typical home to pay over the six—month period between october and march, they will pay roughly £100 less than last winter and last winter, remember, was deemed an energy crisis winter. but last winter, all pensioner households got up to £300 cost of living support. that's gone already. so already they're £300 down on the support this year compared to last year. and the gain from lower rates is only £100. and then we look at the government's winter fuel payments. now, what it has done, as is well known, is it's changed it from a universal payment to a payment that is means tested. effectively, you have to be getting pension credit. now, pension credit is for the very poorest pensioners. in most cases, it's pensioners

who earn less than £11,300 a year, which is right at the very bottom end. and even then, there are 880,000 who don't claim it. so what we've done is gone from the mass to a very limited number of people. so most pensioners are going to be around 600 down on support, 100 gained back from cost, so roughly, back of an envelope, £500 down. even those who get winter fuel payment are still going to be a couple of hundred quid down when you look at the totality of energy costs over the winter. i remember you snipping at the heels of the last conservative administration. is there something that you want done here, and are you going to be snipping at the heels of the new labour administration? look, i'm apolitical. i look at individual issues and i talk about them. i snip at them, if you like, and i will snip at all governments when they're doing things that i don't think are right. and when it comes to the winter fuel payments, while i absolutely understand the argument for getting rid

of universality, and indeed, multi—millionaires do not need the winter fuel payment, my problem is we've gone from everybody to far too narrow a group. the eligibility criteria is far too narrow. people earning less than £11,300 is the very poorest. and those just above that threshold — those are the ones who'll really be hurting. now, when we were doing energy support systems in may 2022, it was when rishi sunak was the chancellor, a mechanism that was used then was using council tax as a proxy for household income. that's the problem with this. because it's a household payment and we don't have the data on household income, that's why everyone says you have to go from the main tojust this small group. my answer would be, well, we used council tax as a proxy before. then it was band a to d council tax. it could be band a to c. so what you could do to widen eligibility, this is an imperfect, i accept, but workable solution, is you say everybody on pension credit, every pensioner on pension credit gets winter fuel payment.

and every pensioner in a council tax properties a to d also gets the winter fuel payment. then you increase the eligibility to more who are hurting and what i'd also do, as i said to rishi sunak at the time, and he put in place, and i'm meeting rachel reeves in a couple of weeks and i'll be saying the same to her, is then i'd give local councils a small slush fund for the discretionary cases of people who miss out and who should get it. i say my solution is imperfect, but it's workable and it is quick. martin lewis talking to me, apparently i was in a cupboard but nice to hearfrom him! inaya folarin iman is the broadcaster and panellist on radio 4's moral maze. she stood for the brexit party in 2019. stephen bush is associate editor at the financial times, who did not. to the point martin made, we don't need to give the money to paul mccartney and multimillionaire pensioners so rachel reeves is not wrong to open the issue up but perhaps too much money going to too many people.

perhaps too much money going to too many maple-— many people. absolutely, she has built herself _ many people. absolutely, she has built herself in _ many people. absolutely, she has built herself in the _ many people. absolutely, she has built herself in the election - built herself in the election campaign is being fiscally conservative, even more so thinking about paying people in subsidies, even than liz truss when he had the energy price guarantee but they are a they are in a different position now because we now have this energy price cap increasing and that will mean much more money for people that they will have to pay. late but don't want to be the part that are not caring about the people at the bottom of society and people struggle in the cost of living crisis so they will be in a very difficult position —— at labour don't want to be. difficult position -- at labour don't want to be.— difficult position -- at labour don't want to be. rachel reeves does not want martin _ don't want to be. rachel reeves does not want martin lewis _ don't want to be. rachel reeves does not want martin lewis banging - don't want to be. rachel reeves does not want martin lewis banging on heri not want martin lewis banging on her door and going on newsnight so much about headache is it? it is door and going on newsnight so much about headache is it?— about headache is it? it is a real headache- _ about headache is it? it is a real headache. yes, _ about headache is it? it is a real headache. yes, as _ about headache is it? it is a real headache. yes, as it _ about headache is it? it is a real headache. yes, as it happens, l about headache is it? it is a real - headache. yes, as it happens, today is the _ headache. yes, as it happens, today is the 50th _ headache. yes, as it happens, today is the 50th day in office, keir siarmer— is the 50th day in office, keir starmer can no longer be our shortest_ starmer can no longer be our shortest running prime minister, he has beaten — shortest running prime minister, he has beaten liz truss. while they can -et has beaten liz truss. while they can get quite _ has beaten liz truss. while they can get quite a _ has beaten liz truss. while they can get quite a lot of credit by saying that we _ get quite a lot of credit by saying that we inherited a mess and that a

lot of— that we inherited a mess and that a lot of truth— that we inherited a mess and that a lot of truth in that, for all the reasons— lot of truth in that, for all the reasons he was setting out, because pension _ reasons he was setting out, because pension credit is for the poorest pensioners, yes, visibly, do we need to he _ pensioners, yes, visibly, do we need to be giving — pensioners, yes, visibly, do we need to be giving paul mccartney winter fuel allowance? to be giving paul mccartney winter fuelallowance? no to be giving paul mccartney winter fuel allowance? no point at the average — fuel allowance? no point at the average pensioner but you might know _ average pensioner but you might know is— average pensioner but you might know. is the correct place to draw the line _ know. is the correct place to draw the line pension credit? probably not. the line pension credit? probably not there — the line pension credit? probably not. there will be a lot of stories, a moving — not. there will be a lot of stories, a moving story on the ten o'clock news _ a moving story on the ten o'clock news about — a moving story on the ten o'clock news about people who are just above that threshold so it will be difficult and painful for those pensioners and politically for the government. pensioners and politically for the government-— government. picture an average family watching, _ government. picture an average family watching, perfect - government. picture an average family watching, perfect familyl family watching, perfect family entertainment on a friday mutt, the 25—year—old says, i don't get everything i have got any money, rent is astronomical so is there a generation calculation? i rent is astronomical so is there a generation calculation?— generation calculation? i would worry about — generation calculation? i would worry about that _ generation calculation? i would worry about that zero-sum - generation calculation? i would i worry about that zero-sum game generation calculation? i would - worry about that zero-sum game if worry about that zero—sum game if you look at a lot of the polling, was many generations, many people don't think that older people are just that cats with big houses and lots of money. we have lots of conversations in the years ago about people choosing between heating and

especially for this time for the labour government we have seen inflation busting pay rises for the public sector and that's not necessarily saying that was bad but the optics and the narrative, for example it may be the union paymasters were benefiting from this labour government... haste paymasters were benefiting from this labour government. . ._ labour government... have you not been reading — labour government. .. have you not been reading our— labour government... have you not been reading our inbox? _ been reading our inbox? that's likely to appoint our viewer wrote to us about, kevin newton, got in touch about winter fuel payments i spoke to him most other by asking him if he had written to his mp as well. �* ., ~:: ., , well. i've written over 60 e-mails to my local— well. i've written over 60 e-mails to my local mp. _ well. i've written over 60 e-mails to my local mp, pat _ well. i've written over 60 e-mails to my local mp, pat mcfadden . well. i've written over 60 e-mails| to my local mp, pat mcfadden and well. i've written over 60 e-mails - to my local mp, pat mcfadden and he hasn't even had the decency to return one e—mail to me. you see, i've got probably younger viewers who never get any help in their flat share. is it you are angry because you have worked all your life or do you think everyone is suffering? it is also, can i say, that it may have a drastic effect everyone that is just above the threshold is going to suffer. it is also, can i say,

that it may have a drastic effect on the nhs when people choose to switch off their heating, it could affect them going into hospital with hypothermia or whatever. what will it mean for you? will you make a choice between heating all the rooms in your house and heating just one? it will be heating probablyjust one room in the house. what kind of a choice has the chancellor got to make? she has got a lot of striking trade unionists she wants to do a deal and she wants to help the poorest pensioners, not all of them. that is a political calculation, kevin. well, that could be a political calculation but i thought labour was equal opportunities

for everybody and at the moment she is singling out the people that can't go on strike or whatever. well, she thinks she has hit the least people that are going to be affected, but i have always said the pen is mightier than the sword and we all put our x in the appropriate box when we come to vote. kevin, you are a newsnight viewer, how are you getting on with the new format of it? very good, nice and enjoyable. thank you for writing to us in putting your trust in us and for showing us into your home and your walsall fc shirt and putting your faith in us, thank you very much, kevin. thank you. thanks to kevin. he's written two pat mcfadden 60 times. i thanks to kevin. he's written two pat mcfadden 60 times.- thanks to kevin. he's written two pat mcfadden 60 times. i mean, mps do take it since _ pat mcfadden 60 times. i mean, mps

do take it since when _ pat mcfadden 60 times. i mean, mps do take it since when people write - do take it since when people write to them, — do take it since when people write to them, italy and have letters they don't _ to them, italy and have letters they don't usually receive, them because that's— don't usually receive, them because that's when— don't usually receive, them because that's when they note there is a proper— that's when they note there is a proper ground swell. but this is going _ proper ground swell. but this is going to — proper ground swell. but this is going to be a major point in the life of— going to be a major point in the life of the — going to be a major point in the life of the labour government, the first series — life of the labour government, the first series rebellion, obviously not enough to be defeated but there will be _ not enough to be defeated but there will be mps in marginal seats who will be mps in marginal seats who will feel— will be mps in marginal seats who will feel they need to rebel precisely because of the letters they get— precisely because of the letters they get a point of the advantage they get a point of the advantage they have — they get a point of the advantage they have is because they started on a very— they have is because they started on a very narrow eligibility, you can see how— a very narrow eligibility, you can see how they could move to something like what _ see how they could move to something like what martin lewis suggests, still bank— like what martin lewis suggests, still bank most of those savings, still bank most of those savings, still close — still bank most of those savings, still close that 22 billion... that win ale still close that 22 billion... that wiggle room- — still close that 22 billion... that wiggle room. also, _ still close that 22 billion... that wiggle room. also, the - still close that 22 billion... twat wiggle room. also, the labour government were not available, ed miliband was seen to date they will reboot the energy supplies are so in the end, we will bring up the nation's bill as a new labour government. but in politics, timing is everything. they can't invent a new nuclear power station. this is the thing in _ new nuclear power station. this is the thing in terms _ new nuclear power station. this is

the thing in terms of _ new nuclear power station. this is the thing in terms of the - new nuclear power station. this is the thing in terms of the timing i new nuclear power station. this is | the thing in terms of the timing as well because we are also still waiting for all of these tax rises we expect to be announced in the autumn so this is one of the first things they've announced and it looks like it is hitting a lot of vulnerable people. in terms of the specific point about energy, we will have to wait and see. the reality when it comes at this gb energy policy, whilst it sounds popular in the polls and amongst the public we still don't know a lot of what this looks like and if we go by the way the last government acted when it comes to energy, there was a lot of short—term decision—making, a moratorium on fracking... short-term decision-making, a moratorium on fracking. .. couldn't ut a moratorium on fracking. .. couldn't put a wind — moratorium on fracking. .. couldn't put a wind turbine _ moratorium on fracking. .. couldn't put a wind turbine on _ moratorium on fracking. .. couldn't put a wind turbine on the - moratorium on fracking. .. couldn't put a wind turbine on the reliant, l put a wind turbine on the reliant, so they've got, they love blaming the tories and they can blame them a bit but it is rachel reeves's name of the withdrawal of the universal, that will be hers so tell me about the calculation, this is your line, stephen point we get an insight into how labour are thinking but what are the trade—offs they are making? most pensioners, half pensioners voted tory anyway. pensioners, half pensioners voted tory anyway-—

pensioners, half pensioners voted tory anyway. one of the tensions is if ou tory anyway. one of the tensions is if you inherit _ tory anyway. one of the tensions is if you inherit a _ tory anyway. one of the tensions is if you inherit a situation _ tory anyway. one of the tensions is if you inherit a situation where - tory anyway. one of the tensions is if you inherit a situation where you | if you inherit a situation where you know _ if you inherit a situation where you know that — if you inherit a situation where you know that you will have to raise some _ know that you will have to raise some taxes, just to stay still on public— some taxes, just to stay still on public services, you know that people — public services, you know that people expect you to put more money in the _ people expect you to put more money in the nhs — people expect you to put more money in the nhs otherwise you won't get re—elected, and you know there are various— re—elected, and you know there are various things people in the labour party— various things people in the labour party wants to sit than go, who doesn't — party wants to sit than go, who doesn't vote me? that makes sense as a place _ doesn't vote me? that makes sense as a place to— doesn't vote me? that makes sense as a place to tighten the purse strings but the _ a place to tighten the purse strings but the important thing is that vote was quite _ but the important thing is that vote was quite divided between the conservatives them reform and if those _ conservatives them reform and if those people vote tactically against labour, _ those people vote tactically against labour, that's more painful pond and back to _ labour, that's more painful pond and back to where i started, when this was introduced, pensioners were poorer— was introduced, pensioners were poorer because the conservatives, the lovely — poorer because the conservatives, the lovely david cameron and george osborne, _ the lovely david cameron and george osborne, they put the triple lock in. , ., , ., . there osborne, they put the triple lock. in-_ there is in. pensioners got richer. there is that argument _ in. pensioners got richer. there is that argument and _ in. pensioners got richer. there is that argument and the _ in. pensioners got richer. there is that argument and the reality - in. pensioners got richer. there is that argument and the reality is l in. pensioners got richer. there is| that argument and the reality is we have an ageing population and a shrinking workforce, smaller proportion of the working age population is paying for a larger proportion of older people and other people claiming welfare in difficult decisions will undoubtedly have to be made. i5 decisions will undoubtedly have to be made. , . ,

decisions will undoubtedly have to be made. , ., , . , ., be made. is there any decision in ublic life be made. is there any decision in public life that _ be made. is there any decision in public life that is _ be made. is there any decision in public life that is not _ be made. is there any decision in public life that is not difficult? i public life that is not difficult? every decision has the word difficult to put in front of it. i think when you have been a rich old democracy— think when you have been a rich old democracy for a long time, you have made _ democracy for a long time, you have made the _ democracy for a long time, you have made the easy decisions. if they were _ made the easy decisions. if they were easy— made the easy decisions. if they were easy decisions available to rathei— were easy decisions available to rachel reeves, denis healy or gordon brown _ rachel reeves, denis healy or gordon brown or— rachel reeves, denis healy or gordon brown or the chancellor before would have made _ brown or the chancellor before would have made them but they will difficult — have made them but they will difficult put and it's like predicting hard—working people, we should _ predicting hard—working people, we should be _ predicting hard—working people, we should be taxing lazy people! making the easy decisions _ should be taxing lazy people! making the easy decisions but _ should be taxing lazy people! making the easy decisions but no _ should be taxing lazy people! making the easy decisions but no one - should be taxing lazy people! making the easy decisions but no one will. the easy decisions but no one will vote for me. finally, in a couple of sentences, do we tell newsnight viewers wiggle room? that actually expect in october in the budget some movement on what appears to be a red line? we movement on what appears to be a red line? ~ ., ., .,, , ., line? we will have to hope soap and i think as stephen _ line? we will have to hope soap and i think as stephen alluded _ line? we will have to hope soap and i think as stephen alluded to, - line? we will have to hope soap and i think as stephen alluded to, there | i think as stephen alluded to, there is still space for them to actually not go as hard as they wanted to, for example for this particular change, so that might be the case. aha, change, so that might be the case. a very tight and very tough budget. you sound — very tight and very tough budget.

you sound like yoda! but nonetheless, that's why you're here, that's why you on the panel! breaking news as we've been on air. a number of people are reported to have been killed in a knife attack in the western german city of solingen, local media say. we'll bring you more if we get it before the end of the show. now, vladimir putin's promised punishment for ukraine's incursion into kursk. kyiv now controls an area within russia around the size of new york city. thousands of families have left their homes and tv pictures show captured russian troops. the indian prime minister narenda modi — whose regime buys oil from moscow — was in ukraine today and urged peace talks. as ukraine prepares for independence day tomorrow, the us embassy in kyiv warns that there's a risk of escalation in attacks.

our guest describes himself as vladimir putin's enemy number one. bill browder once advised on millions of pounds of business inside russia. but when his associate was killed, he campaigned successfully for laws in the eu and the usa to go after russian kleptocrats, their assets and their freedoms. his own life is a history story. american—born, he's descended from a famous us communist leader and has recently been knighted in the uk. sir bill? welcome. great to be here. what kind of a moment — welcome. great to be here. what kind of a moment is — welcome. great to be here. what kind of a moment is this _ welcome. great to be here. what kind of a moment is this perilous _ welcome. great to be here. what kind of a moment is this perilous 24 - of a moment is this perilous 2a hours? independence day tomorrow, putin humiliated promising punishment?— putin humiliated promising punishment? putin humiliated promising unishment? , , . , ., punishment? basically since this war started everybody — punishment? basically since this war started everybody has _ punishment? basically since this war i started everybody has underestimated the ukrainians. they said this would be a three day war and putin would roll in and everybody would drop their weapons and we are now two and a half years into this war. everybody said the ukrainians have to fight back when the russians are attacking them on their territory. and without telling anybody they

launched this unbelievable and i would say very successful attack, invasion, of russia and it completely has turned the tables because we now have the situation where putin has to make terrible decisions. does he move troops from the invasion of ukraine to protect russia? if he doesn't, then he ends up russia? if he doesn't, then he ends up with ukrainians pushing on more territory. up with ukrainians pushing on more territo . , ., , , ., , up with ukrainians pushing on more territo . , ., _ , territory. obviously he has been wrong-footed — territory. obviously he has been wrong-footed but _ territory. obviously he has been wrong-footed but he _ territory. obviously he has been wrong-footed but he has - territory. obviously he has been i wrong-footed but he has promised territory. obviously he has been - wrong-footed but he has promised he wrong—footed but he has promised he will get back on the right foot, president putin. do you think the next 2a hours will see a risk of escalation? next 24 hours will see a risk of escalation?— next 24 hours will see a risk of escalation? , ._ , ,~ escalation? every day there is risk of putin doing _ escalation? every day there is risk of putin doing terrible _ escalation? every day there is risk of putin doing terrible stuff - escalation? every day there is risk of putin doing terrible stuff and i escalation? every day there is risk| of putin doing terrible stuff and he does terrible stuff whether the ukrainians go into russian territory or not. the children's hospital was bombed with many dead children. there are atrocities across the board. yes, for sure, putin will try to do something unthinkable and unspeakable because he always does that, but it doesn't mean necessarily that just because that, but it doesn't mean necessarily thatjust because the ukrainians have done this that the

probabilities are any higher. he has always done that, that has been his modus operandi. you always done that, that has been his modus operandi.— always done that, that has been his modus operandi. you decided to seek revenue modus operandi. you decided to seek revenge really — modus operandi. you decided to seek revenge really after _ modus operandi. you decided to seek revenge really after your _ modus operandi. you decided to seek revenge really after your associate i revenge really after your associate died. he went after kleptocratic and cronies. did you learn something about the way putin came after you that instructs as a reader cross as to how he might act in this act of humiliation?— to how he might act in this act of humiliation? ~ ., ., , humiliation? what i have seen putin do consistently _ humiliation? what i have seen putin do consistently over _ humiliation? what i have seen putin do consistently over more _ humiliation? what i have seen putin do consistently over more than - humiliation? what i have seen putin do consistently over more than a - do consistently over more than a decade is that he never backs down, he always escalates. and he is not worried about making mistakes. we make terrible mistakes all along the way. he doesn't suffer any embarrassment when he makes those mistakes. he did stupid things when i was with him and he is doing stupid things now and he will escalate, there is no question. but what i can also say is if you don't fight back he will not back down. the only way to get him in any type of position where there is a possible good outcome is to put the boot on the throat so he feels as

much pain as ukrainians are feeling. is it possible that puts cracks his circle? , , , ., , circle? definitely. if you remember a ear ao circle? definitely. if you remember a year ago the _ circle? definitely. if you remember a year ago the head _ circle? definitely. if you remember a year ago the head of— circle? definitely. if you remember a year ago the head of the - circle? definitely. if you remember. a year ago the head of the waggoner group marching towards moscow and it was totally humiliating for putin and it took him two months to figure out how to kill prigozhin and that was a total embarrassment and humiliation for putin. the same thing is happening right now. if the ukrainians can launch an invasion and come into russia and take over territory that the russians cannot defend, that is a total humiliation, and for a strong man humiliation is the worst that can happen. aha, and for a strong man humiliation is the worst that can happen. b. lat and for a strong man humiliation is the worst that can happen.- the worst that can happen. a lot of us don't like _ the worst that can happen. a lot of us don't like hearing _ the worst that can happen. a lot of us don't like hearing about - the worst that can happen. a lot of us don't like hearing about the - us don't like hearing about the worst thing happening and a new war in europe. this is one of the iconic tank battles of the 20th century and it is likely that british challenger tanks have been rolling across the russian border and many viewers would like to know who is out there trying to stop this war. the would like to know who is out there trying to stop this war.— trying to stop this war. the only --eole trying to stop this war. the only people who _ trying to stop this war. the only people who can _ trying to stop this war. the only people who can stop _ trying to stop this war. the only

people who can stop this - trying to stop this war. the only people who can stop this war i trying to stop this war. the only | people who can stop this war are trying to stop this war. the only i people who can stop this war are the ukrainians. russia invaded ukraine. putin has not been willing to withdraw from ukraine. the only way we can stop this is if the ukrainians can fight back. i would argue there has been so much pressure put on the ukrainians to effectively tie one hand behind their back and not fight back. i read an interview with you recently and i have seen you give a speech recently which many of us will listen to, your every word, because you are at risk. you said in an interview recently that you feel like enemy number one. zelensky is robabl like enemy number one. zelensky is probably enemy _ like enemy number one. zelensky is probably enemy number— like enemy number one. zelensky is probably enemy number one, i like enemy number one. zelensky is| probably enemy number one, alexei navalny was number one until he was killed, but! navalny was number one until he was killed, but i am definitely on the top of the list, certainly amongst foreigners. putin doesn't like people who stand up to him and create consequences for him and i am one of those people and i will continue to be one of those people because vladimir putin is one of the most dangerous man in the world and he is causing terrible pain for everybody out there and he needs to be stopped. i

everybody out there and he needs to be sto ed. .., �* everybody out there and he needs to be sto ed. �* , everybody out there and he needs to bestoued. �* , be stopped. i can't believe your arandad be stopped. i can't believe your grandad was — be stopped. i can't believe your grandad was a _ be stopped. i can't believe your grandad was a communist i be stopped. i can't believe your grandad was a communist in i be stopped. i can't believe your| grandad was a communist in the grandad was a communist in the united states and you were knighted united states and you were knighted in the uk and putin has got you on in the uk and putin has got you on his badly sc. you need your own his badly sc. you need your own programme. steven and inaya, what programme. steven and inaya, what you make of this british you make of this british involvement? the new defence involvement? the new defence secretary said we should be proud secretary said we should be proud that british equipment is being used that british equipment is being used in the defence of ukraine. the in the defence of ukraine. the united kingdom _ in the defence of ukraine. the united kingdom is rare in that there united kingdom _ in the defence of ukraine. the united kingdom is rare in that there is not _ is not _ united kingdom is rare in that there is not a _ united kingdom is rare in that there is not a significant force in the united kingdom is rare in that there is not a _ united kingdom is rare in that there is not a significant force in the party— is not a significant force in the party of— is not a significant force in the party of the centre—right or the party— is not a significant force in the party of— is not a significant force in the party of the centre—right or the main _ party of the centre—right or the main _ party of the centre—right or the main party— party of the centre—right or the main party in the centre left. there main party— party of the centre—right or the main party in the centre left. there was an— was an— main party in the centre left. there was an issue — main party in the centre left. there was an issue with nigel farage diverging from that. one of the reasons— diverging from that. one of the reasons this is such a significant moment, — reasons this is such a significant moment, this invasion of kursk, is it changes — moment, this invasion of kursk, is it changes the ukrainian defence of their freedom and it will put a rocket — their freedom and it will put a rocket booster and anyone who says they can't _ rocket booster and anyone who says they can't win, they should just give _ they can't win, they should just give up — they can't win, they should 'ust live u -. �* , ., give up. and the visit of the prime minister of — give up. and the visit of the prime

minister of india _ give up. and the visit of the prime minister of india today, _ give up. and the visit of the prime minister of india today, he - give up. and the visit of the prime minister of india today, he was i minister of india today, he was saying, look, iwill minister of india today, he was saying, look, i will be a broker, minister of india today, he was saying, look, iwill be a broker, i will help �*the people around look at some of the people around trump's campaign many of them are sceptical and critical of ukraine and they often see what happening in asia with taiwan and china as their biggest concern. so when trott was president he pushed for europe to spend much more on defence when it came to nato and hopefully there is a wake—up call in europe that they will have to take a greater role,

they can no longer depend on the same way that they have done in the us. ,, , ., , same way that they have done in the us. stephen, does it look do you like president _ us. stephen, does it look do you like president putin _ us. stephen, does it look do you like president putin is _ us. stephen, does it look do you like president putin is waiting i us. stephen, does it look do you like president putin is waiting for trouble? , , , ., trouble? this is the thing everyone has been saying. _ trouble? this is the thing everyone has been saying. he _ trouble? this is the thing everyone has been saying. he knows - trouble? this is the thing everyone has been saying. he knows the i has been saying. he knows the biggest — has been saying. he knows the biggest victory he can have is for donald _ biggest victory he can have is for donald trump to come back into the white _ donald trump to come back into the white house because, as inaya said, people _ white house because, as inaya said, people around him are very sceptical of ukraine _ people around him are very sceptical of ukraine and the value of defending it. he knows if he can keep— defending it. he knows if he can keep this — defending it. he knows if he can keep this war going on until then, then things could change. ukraine has won— then things could change. ukraine has won a — then things could change. ukraine has won a big victory on the battlefield but they now need to win a victory _ battlefield but they now need to win a victory in — battlefield but they now need to win a victory in the united states presidential election. it is a victory in the united states presidential election.- presidential election. it is an extraordinary _ presidential election. it is an extraordinary moment i presidential election. it is an extraordinary moment and i presidential election. it is an i extraordinary moment and we're looking ahead and the independent state could be a trigger for both sides to show new strength and of course here we have had thousands of refugees who came to live here, millions of people across europe, and britain does seem to have taken and britain does seem to have taken a leading role in supplying defence equipment, almost a triangulation

with the eu, which we left, which you campaign for. is this something that proves to you why you are right about brexit and all the remainers were wrong? it is about brexit and all the remainers were wrong?— were wrong? it is a good thing britain has _ were wrong? it is a good thing britain has taken _ were wrong? it is a good thing britain has taken a _ were wrong? it is a good thing britain has taken a leading i were wrong? it is a good thing| britain has taken a leading role were wrong? it is a good thing i britain has taken a leading role and we talked about energy earlier on in the show and i think it was very worrying when the invasion happened towards ukraine by russia that europe for so long has been dependent so much on energy imports and so on from the russian regime. hopefully this will be a wake—up call for energy security, plentiful energy, reliable and cheap, is a priority across europe and britain can take a leading role in that. thank you very much, i will ask you to comment on some of our headlines, but for now, thank you both very much indeed. let's take a look at the stories on the front pages. guess what is on the front of the daily mail? pensioners, £500 energy bill hikes after labour cuts. millions of pensioners will have to find an extra £500 to heat their

homes, piling pressure on labour to reverse the axing of winter fuel payments. that much we heard, that figure from martin. the guardian, fears of a cruel winter of welfare fund help ends. efforts to cut public spending deficit could push people into poverty. let's break from the papers. this is the guardian and the daily mail. when ou see guardian and the daily mail. when you see both _ guardian and the daily mail. when you see both of— guardian and the daily mail. when you see both of those _ guardian and the daily mail. when you see both of those papers i guardian and the daily mail. when you see both of those papers saying the same _ you see both of those papers saying the same thing, you know the government is in for a difficult time — government is in for a difficult time that _ government is in for a difficult time. that is why tony blair stopped doing _ time. that is why tony blair stopped doing it) _ time. that is why tony blair stopped doing id cards. that alliance. this will be _ doing id cards. that alliance. this will be very— doing id cards. that alliance. this will be very difficult for the labour— will be very difficult for the labour party, they have been having lots of _ labour party, they have been having lots of meetings between treasury ministers — lots of meetings between treasury ministers and members of the labour party and _ ministers and members of the labour party and there will be something, whether— party and there will be something, whether it — party and there will be something, whether it be home insulation or something about whether support comes— something about whether support comes in — something about whether support comes in. again, it does all depend on what _ comes in. again, it does all depend on what is — comes in. again, it does all depend on what is going to be a very tight budget, _ on what is going to be a very tight budget, because they are going to have to _ budget, because they are going to have to find something to fill a very—

have to find something to fill a very big — have to find something to fill a very big hole and there are big demands— very big hole and there are big demands on our public services and they have _ demands on our public services and they have to make those sums add up. the times, _ they have to make those sums add up. the times, rachel reeves feels the heat overwinter the times, rachel reeves feels the heat over winter fuel benefits. emily maitlis, prince andrew and me, the inside story, that is a link to newsnight, if ever there was. what happens on hen nights in 2024, another story to get going stop in the daily telegraph, minister, putin group on russia is shaken. this is what we were hearing from william. some doubt amongst russians, the defence secretary tells the telegraph. we go to the daily mirror, not a leg to stand on. reading directly from the paper, this is reporting, bbc staff horrified by sacked much of the day's star's text which crossed the line stop the sun has got an exclusive, they say, i say sorry to my wife and women i texted. it was not physical but it was cheating. i

am self—destructive, i let my family down, i am so ashamed. inaya, people in public life getting into trouble seems to be endless. that in public life getting into trouble seems to be endless.— in public life getting into trouble seems to be endless. that is one of the thin . s seems to be endless. that is one of the things that _ seems to be endless. that is one of the things that painted _ seems to be endless. that is one of the things that painted a _ seems to be endless. that is one of the things that painted a very i the things that painted a very negative picture amongst very many other things with the last government, there were a number of scandals relating to improper behaviour in all sorts of ways. there have been conversations at the bbc about some of the things that have been reported over the last few months. i think it does so a level of distrust with the public and a sense that the people we hold in high esteem are not behaving properly, but at the same time we have to understand the details about what went on. have to understand the details about what went on-_ what went on. we do. inevitably it seems the — what went on. we do. inevitably it seems the dial _ what went on. we do. inevitably it seems the dial has _ what went on. we do. inevitably it seems the dial has shifted - what went on. we do. inevitably it seems the dial has shifted at i what went on. we do. inevitably it seems the dial has shifted at the i seems the dial has shifted at the bbc. they sacked him straightaway, there is no shilly—shallying like there is no shilly—shallying like there was in the case of huw edwards where he was employed and received a pay rise which infuriated many people who watched newsnight. look,

the important — people who watched newsnight. look, the important difference _ people who watched newsnight. look, the important difference is _ the important difference is ultimately employers cannot and shouldn't sack people until they are proven— shouldn't sack people until they are proven guilty one way or the other. obviouslym — proven guilty one way or the other. obviously... it protects all of us. ultimately, — obviously... it protects all of us. ultimately, asjermaine jenas set ultimately, as jermaine jenas set himself. — ultimately, asjermaine jenas set himself, he said those texts. it is a much _ himself, he said those texts. it is a much easier thing for any employer, including the bbc, to do and they— employer, including the bbc, to do and they have done it, but i would defend _ and they have done it, but i would defend the — and they have done it, but i would defend the bbc handling of the other story because it is very difficult when _ story because it is very difficult when you — story because it is very difficult when you have a live court case. you cannot _ when you have a live court case. you cannot sack — when you have a live court case. you cannot sack people when there is a court _ cannot sack people when there is a court case — cannot sack people when there is a court case. justice has to