story, that, we will get in story, that, we will get rm story, that, we will get to it shortl . the british prime minister will set the stage tomorrow for some unpopular decisions his government will announce in the coming months to stabilise the public finances — among them tax rises and cuts to the winter fuel allowance for pensioners. the prime minister will use the riots we have been talking about as a metaphor for the scale of the challenge, blaming it all on the the "rubble and ruin" left by the conservatives. there is some of this in the political debate in the united states. former president trump is talking down the us economy as if his election depends on it. the risk for starmer — and perhaps for donald trump is that this doom—and—gloom approach to the economy becomes a self—fulfilling prophecy. so let's discuss that. do you buy into this, stefanie was met focus on

the economy and you have done at your role. do you buy into this idea that if you talked on the public finances and economy, you may put off the investment you need for the growth that drives the economy? i think in the end, businesses make their decisions, because they look at the situation, they look at the interest of the consumer and the investor don't invest. what donald trump has been doing and this is his motto ever since he started or decided to run again to be the president is to really talk the united states very much down, and it does reflect the mood, the general mood in the american public, i think. if you look at the figures, that's not so much the case. actually, inflation is coming down, thejob the job market is thejob market is doing the job market is doing well. it is

a mixed picture but it is deathly better than in europe. the people don't perceive it as such. all over the united states it's a really expensive country, whether it's renting, whether it's mortgages for your houses because interests are high, groceries are incredibly expensive, flying is very expensive, holidays are expensive, so the consumer really feels, or many consumers feel, they were much better offering the trump years. but don't forget, that was during the pandemic, but this is how, yeah, trump makes or hopes to make people think, he is really... the country is doomed, things were much better under his presidency and therefore they would for donald trump. perception is the medical ingredient for politicians. which begs the question, is it wise to talk by the doom and gloom, particular effort he writes we alex berenguer in the summer? shouldn't you be, as the new prime minister, be talking up —— we

experience in the summer? it prime minister, be talking up -- we experience in the summer?- experience in the summer? it is... de osit experience in the summer? it is... deposit yourself — experience in the summer? it is... deposit yourself or _ experience in the summer? it is... deposit yourself or your _ experience in the summer? it is... deposit yourself or your party - experience in the summer? it is... deposit yourself or your party or i deposit yourself or your party or your _ deposit yourself or your party or your policy — deposit yourself or your party or your policy platform as a solution as a crisis — your policy platform as a solution as a crisis. donald trump is positing _ as a crisis. donald trump is positing a _ as a crisis. donald trump is positing a critical position in the us economy and therefore justifying the narrative that he projects of making — the narrative that he projects of making america great again. with the purchaser— making america great again. with the purchaser keir starmer, it's a real hazard _ purchaser keir starmer, it's a real hazard for— purchaser keir starmer, it's a real hazard for him, there he is emerging from number 10 downing street, i hazard for him, there he is emerging from number 10 downing street, lam sure he _ from number 10 downing street, lam sure he is_ from number 10 downing street, lam sure he is delighted to be there as prime _ sure he is delighted to be there as prime minister, and his substantial victory— prime minister, and his substantial victory over — prime minister, and his substantial victory over the conservatives, although — victory over the conservatives, although without particular increasing the labour vote. he is on something _ increasing the labour vote. he is on something of a borrowed perspective from the _ something of a borrowed perspective from the voters. he is on trust, if you like — from the voters. he is on trust, if you like. what he is doing is positing _ you like. what he is doing is positing a _ you like. what he is doing is positing a crisis in the uk economy and offering the phrase that was used. _ and offering the phrase that was used, there were that was used during — used, there were that was used during the — used, there were that was used during the general election, change. but we _ during the general election, change. but we have yet to see what that

changes — but we have yet to see what that changes i — but we have yet to see what that changes. i was one of the journalist to complete bitterly there was little _ to complete bitterly there was little detail advanced by labour with regard to change — change to what? _ with regard to change — change to what? in— with regard to change — change to what? in what direction? what we are now seeing, _ what? in what direction? what we are now seeing, he is positing the crisis — now seeing, he is positing the crisis in — now seeing, he is positing the crisis in the uk economy but stressing _ crisis in the uk economy but stressing that it is still worse than — stressing that it is still worse than was _ stressing that it is still worse than was the reasonable expectation of his— than was the reasonable expectation of his party— than was the reasonable expectation of his party on attaining power. the chancellor — of his party on attaining power. the chancellor was stressing very much in the _ chancellor was stressing very much in the statement she made to the chamber— in the statement she made to the chamber that it was far, far worse than _ chamber that it was far, far worse than was — chamber that it was far, far worse than was the reasonable expectation on entering power. the shadow chancellor very adamant that is not the case, _ chancellor very adamant that is not the case, but it was there in every detail _ the case, but it was there in every detail it _ the case, but it was there in every detail it is— the case, but it was there in every detail. it is certainly true the institute _ detail. it is certainly true the institute for fiscal studies were stressing — institute for fiscal studies were stressing in advance that the situation _ stressing in advance that the situation would be difficult regardless of who was in power. they talked _ regardless of who was in power. they talked about a conspiracy of silence _ talked about a conspiracy of silence. but it is also reasonable for the _ silence. but it is also reasonable for the chancellor to say that there are some _ for the chancellor to say that there are some individual decisions, individual— are some individual decisions, individual compilations by the conservatives that perhaps understated the position. yeah. the

conservatives _ understated the position. yeah. the conservatives can _ understated the position. yeah. the conservatives can also _ understated the position. yeah. the conservatives can also say - understated the position. léitii. the conservatives can also say many understated the position. iez—g“i. the conservatives can also say many of the problems created in the spending pattern— the problems created in the spending pattern of— the problems created in the spending pattern of the uk, those pay deals you mention earlier, given to the unions _ you mention earlier, given to the unions without any further concessions on productivity. there are truths on _ concessions on productivity. there are truths on both _ concessions on productivity. there are truths on both side. _ concessions on productivity. there are truths on both side. she - concessions on productivity. there are truths on both side. she is - are truths on both side. she is pointing, the chancellor, stefanie, to a £22 million black hole, which brian is nodding to there, and she is using language we have heard before from a former labour prime minister, gordon brown. she talked about financial prudence. how is it discussed in germany? because growth actually right now in germany, i think is a little lower than it is in the uk. where is the debate in terms of borrowing for investment? not all borrowing is a bad thing. there is the german public on whether you increase public spending to get some of that growth? has whether you increase public spending to get some of that growth?- to get some of that growth? as you mi . ht

to get some of that growth? as you might remember, _ to get some of that growth? as you might remember, angela _ to get some of that growth? as you might remember, angela merkel i to get some of that growth? as you i might remember, angela merkel was very famous for her reference to the... the mother who makes sure that they only spend, the family only spend the money they really haven't. this is very much... i should say, it's the dna of germans. this of course is a very fierce discussion in germany now because if you look at the numbers, the uk has currently growth of i think 0.9, germany is shrinking, and there is a recession on the horizon, but then again, if you look at the debt of the government, it is far, far less than in the uk, so you could have an argument to say there is enough money in the german government's bank they could spend it but they're not doing it, and public investment is pretty low, and this is almost like an ideological fight is pretty low, and this is almost like an ideologicalfight in germany, and we must not forget, we have because additional debt break. —— the constitutional debt break.

there is a lot of discussion of not inspecting this break any more and i think it is very much needed, especially because of the war in ukraine and the energy situation, and germany urgently needs to investment into infrastructure. justly quickly, on this issue, financial prudence. to the layman that sounds like austerity, and people have some fairly dark memories of the osborne years and the period of a sderot here in the uk. in the period of a sderot here in the uk. ., ., ,, ., the period of a sderot here in the uk. in scotland the snp are saying this is the labour _ uk. in scotland the snp are saying this is the labour version of - this is the labour version of austerity _ this is the labour version of austerity. there's a different battle — austerity. there's a different battle going on in scotland between different _ battle going on in scotland between different parties. look, there's going _ different parties. look, there's going to — different parties. look, there's going to be a change in the position. _ going to be a change in the position, but the labour party are adamant that they are going to be cautious— adamant that they are going to be cautious and i think that the chancellor's budget statement in the autumn— chancellor's budget statement in the autumn will be cautious as well, her opponent— autumn will be cautious as well, her opponent say she is giving us of her tax, increases, she says there will be no _ tax, increases, she says there will be no increase in the text that really — be no increase in the text that really affect people, vat, national insurance — really affect people, vat, national insurance will and talking about

income — insurance will and talking about income tax on working families, i wonder— income tax on working families, i wonder if— income tax on working families, i wonder if there is some wiggle room there _ wonder if there is some wiggle room there with _ wonder if there is some wiggle room there with the upper rates but we shall— there with the upper rates but we shall see — there with the upper rates but we shall see. the chancellor and the prime _ shall see. the chancellor and the prime minister adamant they are going _ prime minister adamant they are going to — prime minister adamant they are going to be cautious in trying to project — going to be cautious in trying to project that things will get, frankly, _ project that things will get, frankly, worse before they get better~ — frankly, worse before they get better. �* . frankly, worse before they get better. 3 .. frankly, worse before they get better. �* , ., ., �* better. there's a thought. 0k, we'll move on. the french authorities have extended the detention of pavel durov, the russian—born founder of telegram, who was arrested at a paris airport on saturday night. his arrest sparked an outcry among so—called free speech advocates, including elon musk. durov was detained after his private jet arrived at le bourget airport on allegations that fraud, drug trafficking, terrorism and cyber—bullying had been promoted on his platform. it reflects a tougher line the eu has been taking on holding the owners of social media companies to account. what is interesting is who else might have been on that plane. the woman who reportedly accompanied pavel durov on his trip to paris was this womanjuli vavilova, who is deeply involved in cryptocurrency.

let's speak to baptiste robert, a french security researcher who specialises in mobile security. thank you for coming on the programme. it is your tweets i have been reading today about this. tell us about her and why she is interesting in the story that's developing. interesting in the story that's developing-— interesting in the story that's develoina. g ., , , developing. so, julia is basically the girlfriend _ developing. so, julia is basically the girlfriend of— developing. so, julia is basically the girlfriend of pavel— developing. so, julia is basically the girlfriend of pavel durov - developing. so, julia is basically the girlfriend of pavel durov and she was— the girlfriend of pavel durov and she was prevalent _ the girlfriend of pavel durov and she was prevalent with - the girlfriend of pavel durov and she was prevalent with durov. the girlfriend of pavel durov and - she was prevalent with durov during his three _ she was prevalent with durov during his three last — she was prevalent with durov during his three last trips _ she was prevalent with durov during his three last trips in _ she was prevalent with durov during his three last trips in kazakhstan, i his three last trips in kazakhstan, uzbekistan. — his three last trips in kazakhstan, uzbekistan, azerbaijan, - his three last trips in kazakhstan, uzbekistan, azerbaijan, and - his three last trips in kazakhstan, uzbekistan, azerbaijan, and the i uzbekistan, azerbaijan, and the thing _ uzbekistan, azerbaijan, and the thing is, — uzbekistan, azerbaijan, and the thing is. julia _ uzbekistan, azerbaijan, and the thing is, julia is _ uzbekistan, azerbaijan, and the thing is, julia is an— uzbekistan, azerbaijan, and the thing is, julia is an influencer. uzbekistan, azerbaijan, and the thing is, julia is an influencer ofj thing is, julia is an influencer of a crypto— thing is, julia is an influencer of a crypto influencer— thing is, julia is an influencer of a crypto influencer on _ thing is, julia is an influencer of a crypto influencer on social, i thing is, julia is an influencer of a crypto influencer on social, ai thing is, julia is an influencer of. a crypto influencer on social, a big part of— a crypto influencer on social, a big part of her— a crypto influencer on social, a big part of her day— a crypto influencer on social, a big part of her day posting _ a crypto influencer on social, a big part of her day posting what - a crypto influencer on social, a bigj part of her day posting what she is doing _ part of her day posting what she is doing on— part of her day posting what she is doing on social _ part of her day posting what she is doing on social networks, - part of her day posting what she is doing on social networks, but - doing on social networks, but because — doing on social networks, but because she _ doing on social networks, but because she don't _ doing on social networks, but because she don't have - doing on social networks, but because she don't have the l doing on social networks, but - because she don't have the security measure _ because she don't have the security measure in — because she don't have the security measure in mind, _ because she don't have the security measure in mind, she's— because she don't have the security measure in mind, she's posting - measure in mind, she's posting directly— measure in mind, she's posting directly what _ measure in mind, she's posting directly what she's _ measure in mind, she's posting directly what she's doing - measure in mind, she's posting directly what she's doing also . measure in mind, she's posting . directly what she's doing also and sometimes, — directly what she's doing also and sometimes, if— directly what she's doing also and sometimes, if you _ directly what she's doing also and sometimes, if you look— directly what she's doing also and sometimes, if you look closely. directly what she's doing also and sometimes, if you look closely to |

sometimes, if you look closely to the social— sometimes, if you look closely to the social networks _ sometimes, if you look closely to the social networks of _ sometimes, if you look closely to the social networks of pavel - sometimes, if you look closely to l the social networks of pavel durov and on _ the social networks of pavel durov and onjutia. — the social networks of pavel durov and onjutia. you _ the social networks of pavel durov and onjulia, you will— the social networks of pavel durov and onjulia, you will see - the social networks of pavel durov and onjulia, you will see that- the social networks of pavel durov and on julia, you will see that thei and onjulia, you will see that the two are _ and onjulia, you will see that the two are posting _ and onjulia, you will see that the two are posting the _ and onjulia, you will see that the two are posting the same - and on julia, you will see that the. two are posting the same pictures, they are _ two are posting the same pictures, they are posting _ two are posting the same pictures, they are posting pictures _ two are posting the same pictures, they are posting pictures from - two are posting the same pictures, they are posting pictures from thel they are posting pictures from the same _ they are posting pictures from the same places. _ they are posting pictures from the same places. so— they are posting pictures from the same places, so it's _ they are posting pictures from the same places, so it's a _ same places, so it's a good indication— same places, so it's a good indication that _ same places, so it's a good indication that the - same places, so it's a good indication that the two - same places, so it's a good indication that the two are i indication that the two are travelling _ indication that the two are travelling together. - indication that the two are travelling together. and . indication that the two are i travelling together. and so indication that the two are - travelling together. and so by looking — travelling together. and so by looking at _ travelling together. and so by looking at the _ travelling together. and so by looking at the social - travelling together. and so by looking at the social networkl looking at the social network activity — looking at the social network activity of _ looking at the social network activity ofjulia, _ looking at the social network activity ofjulia, the - looking at the social network i activity ofjulia, the investigator had a _ activity ofjulia, the investigator had a good _ activity ofjulia, the investigator had a good idea _ activity ofjulia, the investigator had a good idea of— activity ofjulia, the investigator had a good idea of what- activity ofjulia, the investigator had a good idea of what apple l activity ofjulia, the investigator. had a good idea of what apple was doingm _ had a good idea of what apple was doinu . .. ., ~' had a good idea of what apple was doinu... ., ~' , doing... you might think they have been tracking _ doing. .. you might think they have been tracking her— doing... you might think they have been tracking her to _ doing... you might think they have been tracking her to get _ doing... you might think they have been tracking her to get to him? i been tracking her to get to him? yes, all the information, it was 'ust yes, all the information, it was just a _ yes, all the information, it was just a question _ yes, all the information, it was just a question of _ yes, all the information, it was just a question of looking - yes, all the information, it was just a question of looking at - yes, all the information, it was| just a question of looking at the telegram, — just a question of looking at the telegram, on— just a question of looking at the telegram, on instagram, - just a question of looking at the telegram, on instagram, of. just a question of looking at the i telegram, on instagram, ofjulia, just a question of looking at the - telegram, on instagram, ofjulia, on pavel, _ telegram, on instagram, ofjulia, on pavel, to— telegram, on instagram, ofjulia, on pavel, to be — telegram, on instagram, ofjulia, on pavel, to be sure _ telegram, on instagram, ofjulia, on pavel, to be sure they— telegram, on instagram, ofjulia, on pavel, to be sure they are _ telegram, on instagram, ofjulia, on pavel, to be sure they are at - pavel, to be sure they are at the same _ pavel, to be sure they are at the same place _ pavel, to be sure they are at the same place-— pavel, to be sure they are at the same place. pavel, to be sure they are at the same lace. ~ ., ~ ., same place. when you talk about her activity under — same place. when you talk about her activity under the _ same place. when you talk about her activity under the currency, - same place. when you talk about her activity under the currency, we - activity under the currency, we see here in the video talking about why she's using crypto currency in which

she's using crypto currency in which she's using crypto currency in which she's using it for. could she... we don't know what has happened since this plane, since they arrested the people on the plane, but there some suggestion she might have using crypto currency to get around the sanctions on behalf of the russian state? .. sanctions on behalf of the russian state? . ,., sanctions on behalf of the russian state? . , �*, ., . state? yeah, so she's an influencer, so basically — state? yeah, so she's an influencer, so basically she _ state? yeah, so she's an influencer, so basically she is _ state? yeah, so she's an influencer, so basically she is streaming - state? yeah, so she's an influencer, so basically she is streaming on - so basically she is streaming on twitch, — so basically she is streaming on twitch, speaking _ so basically she is streaming on twitch, speaking about - so basically she is streaming on twitch, speaking about what - so basically she is streaming on| twitch, speaking about what she so basically she is streaming on i twitch, speaking about what she is doing _ twitch, speaking about what she is doing on— twitch, speaking about what she is doing on crypto _ twitch, speaking about what she is doing on crypto currency. - twitch, speaking about what she is doing on crypto currency. during i twitch, speaking about what she is doing on crypto currency. during a | doing on crypto currency. during a live on _ doing on crypto currency. during a live on twitch, _ doing on crypto currency. during a live on twitch, she _ doing on crypto currency. during a live on twitch, she said _ doing on crypto currency. during a live on twitch, she said one - doing on crypto currency. during a | live on twitch, she said one friend, one smart — live on twitch, she said one friend, one smart guy— live on twitch, she said one friend, one smart guy told _ live on twitch, she said one friend, one smart guy told her— live on twitch, she said one friend, one smart guy told her to - live on twitch, she said one friend, one smart guy told her to move - live on twitch, she said one friend, one smart guy told her to move all| one smart guy told her to move all her assets — one smart guy told her to move all her assets in — one smart guy told her to move all her assets in crypto _ one smart guy told her to move all her assets in crypto currency- her assets in crypto currency portfolio _ her assets in crypto currency portfolio when _ her assets in crypto currency portfolio when the _ her assets in crypto currency portfolio when the sanctionsj her assets in crypto currency- portfolio when the sanctions has been _ portfolio when the sanctions has been put — portfolio when the sanctions has been put in _ portfolio when the sanctions has been put in place _ portfolio when the sanctions has been put in place against - portfolio when the sanctions has| been put in place against russia. 50, been put in place against russia. so. she _ been put in place against russia. 50, she literally— been put in place against russia. 50, she literally said _ been put in place against russia. 50, she literally said that - been put in place against russia. 50, she literally said that she - been put in place against russia. i so, she literally said that she used up so, she literally said that she used up though— so, she literally said that she used up though currency— so, she literally said that she used up though currency in— so, she literally said that she used up though currency in order- so, she literally said that she used up though currency in order to- so, she literally said that she used i up though currency in order to evade the russian — up though currency in order to evade the russian sanctions. _ up though currency in order to evade the russian sanctions. so— up though currency in order to evade the russian sanctions. so this - up though currency in order to evade the russian sanctions. so this is -

the russian sanctions. so this is pretty— the russian sanctions. so this is pretty clear _ the russian sanctions. so this is pretty clear in _ the russian sanctions. so this is pretty clear in the _ the russian sanctions. so this is pretty clear in the video, - the russian sanctions. so this is pretty clear in the video, so - the russian sanctions. so this is pretty clear in the video, so it'si pretty clear in the video, so it's not _ pretty clear in the video, so it's not it's— pretty clear in the video, so it's not it's not— pretty clear in the video, so it's not it's not a _ pretty clear in the video, so it's not... it's not a big _ pretty clear in the video, so it's not... it's not a big mystery- pretty clear in the video, so it'sl not... it's not a big mystery that it is used — not... it's not a big mystery that it is used right _ not... it's not a big mystery that it is used right now— not... it's not a big mystery that it is used right now by— not... it's not a big mystery that it is used right now by a - not... it's not a big mystery that it is used right now by a lot - not... it's not a big mystery that it is used right now by a lot of. it is used right now by a lot of russian — it is used right now by a lot of russian businessmen - it is used right now by a lot of russian businessmen and - it is used right now by a lot of. russian businessmen and people it is used right now by a lot of- russian businessmen and people who have money, — russian businessmen and people who have money, in— russian businessmen and people who have money, in order— russian businessmen and people who have money, in order to— russian businessmen and people who have money, in order to avoid - russian businessmen and people who have money, in order to avoid the - have money, in order to avoid the sanctions — have money, in order to avoid the sanctions and _ have money, in order to avoid the sanctions and keep _ have money, in order to avoid the sanctions and keep their - have money, in order to avoid the sanctions and keep their money. i have money, in order to avoid the - sanctions and keep their money. yet. stefanie, sanctions and keep their money. yet. stefanie. we — sanctions and keep their money. yet. stefanie, we don't _ sanctions and keep their money. stefanie, we don't have her reply because we cannot reach her and we are going off the videos posted, so we have to treat a lot of that with some caution, but it does make sense, given they have been picture together, that the investigators were tracking her as much as they were tracking her as much as they were tracking her as much as they were tracking him? the interesting thing in a macro sense is the way that the europeans are now looking at the people who run these social be accompanies. in fact, there's another one of the ceo of rubble, who has been looking at these and has reported left europe, because he think he might be next. do you think the europeans are taking more strident position on this? i don't

think is a question _ strident position on this? i don't think is a question of _ strident position on this? i don't think is a question of european, | think is a question of european, because — think is a question of european, because what _ think is a question of european, because what is _ think is a question of european, because what is happening - think is a question of european, j because what is happening right think is a question of european, - because what is happening right now is a french— because what is happening right now is a french initiative. _ because what is happening right now is a french initiative.— because what is happening right now is a french initiative. right. you - is a french initiative. right. you look at the _ is a french initiative. right. you look at the charges _ is a french initiative. right. you look at the charges that - is a french initiative. right. you look at the charges that it - is a french initiative. right. you look at the charges that it is - is a french initiative. right. you i look at the charges that it is super specific— look at the charges that it is super specific french— look at the charges that it is super specific french things. _ look at the charges that it is super specific french things. i— look at the charges that it is super specific french things. i don't - specific french things. idon't think— specific french things. i don't think it's~~~ _ specific french things. i don't think it's. . .— specific french things. i don't think it's. .. you don't think it's french. think it's. .. you don't think it's french- let — think it's. .. you don't think it's french. let me _ think it's. .. you don't think it's french. let me just _ think it's. .. you don't think it's french. let me just bring - french. let mejust bring in stefanie bolzen. in washington, obviously elon musk has posted about this. is this sending a chill through some of the tech titans there in the united states who suddenly might be under much more focus here in euro?— focus here in euro? intimately has become much _ focus here in euro? intimately has become much more _ focus here in euro? intimately has become much more political- focus here in euro? intimately has become much more political and i focus here in euro? intimately has i become much more political and elon musk has picked it up and tucker carlson and others, because they are saying, this is something about free speech. i looked at the tweed by president macron. he said, of course, it was not a political thing, this was the result of investigations by the police and this is clearly a legal decision to

arrest this man. i mean, there are 70 layers and we know the european commission has tried to find laws and tools to go against platforms because they spread misinformation, then again telegram, if you remember then again telegram, if you remember the begin of russia's war in ukraine, it was really crucial, still is, for information crating citizens get to warn them. it is on the one hand very much an important channel of communication but that in this case, with all the activations, if they are correct, these are very, very serious accusations —— if the accusations are correct. the mystery. — accusations are correct. the mystery. brian. _ accusations are correct. the mystery, brian, and - accusations are correct. the mystery, brian, and i- accusations are correct. the mystery, brian, and i guess we won't get to the bottom of it, is why he came to paris, and especially after just having met, via the reports, met president putin in azerbaijan, and then he comes to paris and the rest, we know. do you think there might be more to it? it rest, we know. do you think there might be more to it?— rest, we know. do you think there might be more to it? it also appears to be something _ might be more to it? it also appears to be something of _ might be more to it? it also appears to be something of a _ might be more to it? it also appears to be something of a surprise. - might be more to it? it also appears to be something of a surprise. the i to be something of a surprise. the

arrest _ to be something of a surprise. the arrest it— to be something of a surprise. the arrest it is— to be something of a surprise. the arrest. it is right to place it in a european context. for example, during _ european context. for example, during the — european context. for example, during the recent riots in the uk, in england — during the recent riots in the uk, in england and northern ireland, the prime _ in england and northern ireland, the prime minister stressed that those making _ prime minister stressed that those making comments on social media are usin- making comments on social media are using social— making comments on social media are using social media could not be exempt — using social media could not be exempt. we see the argument there in defence _ exempt. we see the argument there in defence of— exempt. we see the argument there in defence of pavel durov,, in particular— defence of pavel durov,, in particular from elon musk and others, — particular from elon musk and others, saying it is not free speech _ others, saying it is not free speech 11_ others, saying it is not free speech. 11 hears that are given more generally, _ speech. 11 hears that are given more generally, it— speech. 11 hears that are given more generally, it is either innocent or a maligned — generally, it is either innocent or a maligned interpretation of free speech — a maligned interpretation of free speech. there is no such thing as absolute — speech. there is no such thing as absolute free speech. there is no such _ absolute free speech. there is no such thing — absolute free speech. there is no such thing as absolute freedom. freedom — such thing as absolute freedom. freedom for the mongoose means death for the _ freedom for the mongoose means death for the snake and you have to balance — for the snake and you have to balance these matters in the palooka world as _ balance these matters in the palooka world as well. the moderation has to be done _ world as well. the moderation has to be done by— world as well. the moderation has to be done by parliament and it has to be done by parliament and it has to be done _ be done by parliament and it has to be done by— be done by parliament and it has to be done by courts. it is not open to everyone — be done by courts. it is not open to everyone it — be done by courts. it is not open to everyone. it is not licensed to everyone. _ everyone. it is not licensed to everyone, to which harm or even

mortality— everyone, to which harm or even mortality upon other citizens that is not _ mortality upon other citizens that is not liberty, that his licence, that— is not liberty, that his licence, that is— is not liberty, that his licence, that is anarchy, and what we are bhc is a battle _ that is anarchy, and what we are bhc is a battle back against that, but there _ is a battle back against that, but there will— is a battle back against that, but there will be this argument between those _ there will be this argument between those who— there will be this argument between those who project —— and i understand the notion free speech while _ understand the notion free speech while stressing it is not absolute and must — while stressing it is not absolute and must be governed and moderated by parliament and the courts. and and must be governed and moderated by parliament and the courts.- by parliament and the courts. and at a micro level. _ by parliament and the courts. and at a micro level, we _ by parliament and the courts. and at a micro level, we have _ by parliament and the courts. and at a micro level, we have seen - by parliament and the courts. and at a micro level, we have seen that - a micro level, we have seen that during the summer riots here. people whose post on social media are being held legally responsible for what they have posted. baptiste robert, thank you for coming on. really interesting news from you on that pavel durov story. we will take a short break and be back after this.

welcome back. now it's time for the panel. just a couple of minutes for the

panel tonight, but stefanie, i want to read i would you sent us, that some children in washington, dc have to leave a swimming for every hour at a quarter to the hour for 15 minutes until the full hour. why? not some children, all children, everyone under 18 has to leave the pool everyone under 18 has to leave the pool, and that's something i discovered here in washington, dc, and it's one of the many things i love in washington, dc. the sunshine and the summer. the open air pool, public pool, and the first time i went there, at every quarter to the hour, there was a whistle by the lifeguards and all the kids had to leave the water. and i was a bit astonished, but it works. the kids eagerly sit at the site and want to get back in, but they have done studies about that, this fully helps prevent drownings, injuries. ida studies about that, this fully helps prevent drownings, injuries. prevent drownings, in'uries. no way! i have never— prevent drownings, in'uries. no way! i have never heard _ prevent drownings, injuries. no way! i have never heard that _ prevent drownings, injuries. no way! i have never heard that before! - prevent drownings, injuries. no way! i have never heard that before! in . i have never heard that before! i“i maryland...

i have never heard that before! in maryland- -- so — i have never heard that before! in maryland... so they _ i have never heard that before! in maryland... so they get - i have never heard that before! in maryland... so they get out - i have never heard that before! in maryland... so they get out and i i have never heard that before! in i maryland... so they get out and they don't tet maryland. .. so they get out and they don't get over— maryland... so they get out and they don't get over excited, _ maryland... so they get out and they don't get over excited, out _ maryland... so they get out and they don't get over excited, out of - don't get over excited, out of breath, just a 15 minute cooler on the side grazila yes, —— yes, exactly. -- yes, exactly. it may go to the toilet- -- — -- yes, exactly. it may go to the toilet. .. cleaner— -- yes, exactly. it may go to the toilet... cleaner water, - -- yes, exactly. it may go to the toilet... cleaner water, i- -- yes, exactly. it may go to the toilet... cleaner water, i like - -- yes, exactly. it may go to the toilet... cleaner water, i like it i toilet... cleaner water, i like it a lot! i am — toilet... cleaner water, i like it a lot! i am won — toilet... cleaner water, i like it a lot! i am won over _ toilet... cleaner water, i like it a lot! i am won over already buy i toilet... cleaner water, i like it a i lot! i am won over already buy that argument. brian, let's talk of the admiral festival of which has ended this week. —— edinburgh festival. the wonderful, wonderful edinburgh festival. _ the wonderful, wonderful edinburgh festival, the street performers, it is the _ festival, the street performers, it is the international festival of the french. _ is the international festival of the french. it — is the international festival of the french, it is everything, it is superb. _ french, it is everything, it is superb, the largest and finest arts experience of the planet, but it has ended _ experience of the planet, but it has ended frank lee and apprehension. there _ ended frank lee and apprehension. there is— ended frank lee and apprehension. there is always apprehension about money, _ there is always apprehension about money, but after but we are talking earlier— money, but after but we are talking earlier about spending the scottish government, there is serious

apprehension. the chief executive said there's a palpable fragility in the performing arts, and the international chief executive said the culture industry was in a precarious position. it is always going _ precarious position. it is always going to — precarious position. it is always going to be tough for the arts to argue _ going to be tough for the arts to argue for— going to be tough for the arts to argue for funding when there are so many— argue for funding when there are so many other— argue for funding when there are so many other demands, there are those who would _ many other demands, there are those who would argue it is the core of our society— who would argue it is the core of our society as well. | who would argue it is the core of our society as well.— our society as well. i had frank skinner earlier _ our society as well. i had frank skinner earlier last _ our society as well. i had frank skinner earlier last week - our society as well. i had frank - skinner earlier last week saying his career started there. stefanie, brian, thank you forjoining us. back at the same tomorrow. join us for that. hello, iam hello, i am sarah at the bbc sport centre. tributes have been paid to former england manager sven—goran eriksson, who has died at the age of 76. he was the first non—british manager of the england team and led the three lions to the quarterfinals at three major tournaments during his five—year spell in charge between 2001 and 2006.

eriksson managed 12 clubs, winning 18 trophies, with spells at manchester city, leicester, roma and lazio. injanuary, he said he had "at best" a year to live after being diagnosed with cancer. david beckham, who played under eriksson as england captain, posted this video of the two of them meeting recently, along with the message... goalkeeperjoe hart played for eriksson during his time as manchester city manager — speaking on bbc radio 5 live, hart said he was a hugely positive influence. you couldn't not respect him, you couldn't not behave under him. as chris was saying there in that era of the hairdryer, you did not want

to cross sven, but not because you were scared of him, because you didn't want to let the guy down. too young to appreciate, too early in the game to appreciate that there are some beautiful people in this game, but a are some beautiful people in this game, buta part are some beautiful people in this game, but a part of the game because theyjust game, but a part of the game because they just love everything game, but a part of the game because theyjust love everything about it and theyjust theyjust love everything about it and they just want theyjust love everything about it and theyjust want everyone to be happy. away from that news... manchester city have agreed a £21 million deal to selljoao cancelo to saudi pro—league side al—hilal. personal terms are unlikely to be a problem, though cancelo is still to agree to the deal. city manager pep guardiola said earlier this month it was possible he could play for the club again, but the disagreement which eventually led to cancelo spending time on loan with bayern munich and barcelona over the past 18 months was always likely to prove a major stumbling block. meanwhile, brighton have signed midfielder matt o'riley from scottish champions celtic for a fee believed to be more than £25 million. the london—born denmark international has signed a five—year contract until june 2029. he scored 27 goals in 124 appearances for celtic, winning six trophies,

including three scottish premiership titles. the last tennis grand slam of the season, the us open, is under way at flushing meadows in new york. 2021 women's singles champion emma raducanu is among the british players who start their campaign tomorrow. but there was heartbreak for another briton, as qualifierjan choinski lost to spain's roberto carbelles baena in a thrilling four and a half hour battle. choinski looked to be out of his depth against the world number 55, who swept up the first two sets 6—2 and 6—3. choinski then struck back to make a fight of it, winning the third set 7—5 and the fourth on the tie—break to level the match. but that was as close as he got, as the man ranked more than 200 places above the british player put an end to his resistance, taking the deciding set 6—3.

2020 winner dominic thiem has lost his first round match, in what will be his final appearance at the tournament. thiem is set to retire at the end of the year due to ongoing wrist injury issues. he was beaten in straight sets by ben shelton, who encouraged the crowd to give the former world number three a standing ovation on arthur ashe stadium — the same show court on which he won his only major title behind closed doors during the covid pandemic. here's our tennis correspondent russell fuller. his attitude to the wrist injury that has really shortened his career is remarkable. i think i would feel quite bitter that i had not been given the chance to push on and add to my us open title i won in 2020. he's not been able to be a top 20 player in a grand slam since then, but having given it a very good go, he's realised that he's just unable

to be competitive any more, and when you hit the heights as he does and reach french open finals as well, then ijust think he feels that he doesn't want to be a player around about 100 in the rankings and not in with a chance of being competitive and winning grand slam titles any more. so one of those stories, actually, kind of a sobering example for all of us, i suppose, whatever your line of work, that you need to enjoy the good times. no problem for the defending champion coco gauff, who's through to the second round after a comfortable straight sets win over frenchwoman varvara gracheva — gauff going through 6—2, 6—0. plenty more on the bbc sport website on the ongoing tennis, but to golf now. europe's solheim cup captain suzann pettersen has announced herfour wild card picks for next month's competition in the us. she's chosen england's georgia hall, sweden's anna nordqvist, denmark's emily kristine pedersen and also handed a place to a rookie, switzerland's albane valenzuela.

ideally, you would always pick four, but at the same time playing away, experience and... ..having the mental feistiness in you is as important. you want players who can block stuff out and kind of go out there and not care about the environment or if the crowd is screaming or shouting. finally, imagine starting a game playing for one team, then finishing it playing for the opposition. well, that's exactly what's happening to major league baseball player danny jansen, who is making history. jansen was batting for the toronto bluejays on june the 26th, when their game against the boston red sox was suspended because of rain. a day later, he was traded — to the red sox — and has now appeared for his new team when fixture resumed tonight. remarkably, jansen was the player batting at the plate for the bluejays when the game was halted — that means his former

side had to put up another batter in his place, while jansen was the catcher for the hosts at boston's fenway park. that is remarkable! and that is all the sport for now. bye—bye.

tonight at ten: tributes are paid to the former england manager sven—goran eriksson who's died at the age of 76. david beckham posted a tribute saying he would be forever grateful for being made england captain by eriksson — describing him as passionate about football. all occupants of an east london block of flats are accounted for after it's consumed by a fire.

a huge russian air attack across ukraine — six people are killed and dozens injured. # and dozens injured. slipped inside the eye of your mind... # slipped inside the eye of your mind... #. and will they, won't they? the gallagher brothers tease fans with the prospect of a reunited oasis. good evening. tributes have been paid to sven—goran eriksson who's died from pancreatic cancer at the age of 76. he was england's first foreign manager and was seen at his peak as one of football's finest coaches. david beckham said he would be "forever grateful" for his decision to appoint him as england captain. prince william, who is head of the football association, called him a "true gentleman of the game." andy swiss looks back at his life.

he brought a swedish cool to english football.