an outdoor smoking ban, a health check at work, a debate on fuel duty, a budget that will hurt. is this the change

the british voters wanted? or is it all doom and gloom? and, the illegal release of beavers into our british waterways. beaver bombing, as it's known, strictly illegal. the conservationists doing it say they don't give a damn! welcome to newnight our panel tonight. the co—founder of the centre for socialjustice, creator of conservative home, tim montgomerie. and liz lloyd, who served as chief of staff and strategic adviser to the former first minister of scotland nicola sturgeon. when he first moved into number 10 eight weeks ago, sir keir starmer promised that his government would, "tread more lightly on our lives". yet this week, he seems to be taking a much keener interest in how we live.

there is a proposed ban on smoking in outside spaces, a new bill that will give workers the right to a compressed four—day week, plans to introduce a mid—life health check at work, for people, mostly men, who don't regularly have checks up, on top of supervised toothbrushing for infants at school. the government's critics say it is the return of the nanny state. is it? or is it the the kind of sensible, early—stage intervention a government should be encouraging to improve the health of the nation? with us too, chris curtis, labour mp for milton keynes north. hello. what happened to the light touch? i hello. what happened to the light touch? ~ . ., , ., ~ touch? i think what kim was talking about without _ touch? i think what kim was talking about without really _ touch? i think what kim was talking about without really important - about without really important statement is what we were all sick to death of, and even by the end of it, many of you journalists were as well, it was a politics that seemed determined to constantly fill up our lives with drama, bickering, divisiveness, rather than politicians that just got divisiveness, rather than politicians thatjust got on with the job of trying to govern the

country. the big reset we have tried to do, i think mostly successfully so far, is not to be filling the airwaves each night with the bickering in westminster butjust getting on with the difficult policy work that will be necessary in order to start getting britain moving back in the right direction punter i will come back to some of the headlines dominating tonight. but when i look back at that list i set out for people, are those the kind of policies that governments turn to if their planning cuts? what policies that governments turn to if their planning cuts?— their planning cuts? what if they don't have money _ their planning cuts? what if they don't have money to _ their planning cuts? what if they don't have money to improve - don't have money to improve government departments? it’s don't have money to improve government departments? it's quite an eclectic list _ government departments? it's quite an eclectic list of _ government departments? it's quite an eclectic list of potential— an eclectic list of potential policies, but if you're not —— do not put out, you're throwing out there? i think one of the things that we are acknowledging and i think we need to acknowledge as a country, you talked about doom and gloom, it's not necessarily how i train at that things aren't good right now point we have been left a black hole of £22 billion by the last conservative government that we need to fill. we have had 14 is a pretty anaemic economic growth which

means there is not the money a public services and improving things that we like. we have to make difficult decisions.— difficult decisions. how do you think the first _ difficult decisions. how do you think the first eight _ difficult decisions. how do you think the first eight weeks - difficult decisions. how do you think the first eight weeks has j think the first eight weeks has gone? i think the first eight weeks has tone? ~ think the first eight weeks has one? ~ ., , think the first eight weeks has tone? ~ ., , ., think the first eight weeks has tone? ~ ., ., .,, gone? i think it has gone really well, we have _ gone? i think it has gone really well, we have made _ gone? i think it has gone really well, we have made some - gone? i think it has gone reallyl well, we have made some really important changes that needed to happen quickly put it in the first 72 hours we made decisions that the tories have been putting off for m years, policies like removing the ban on onshore wind farms so we were less reliant on the russians for our oil and gas, and we can create energy here in the uk. starting to reform the planning system and i'm from a new town in milton keynes, it gave with a great start in life i was given as a but we build new towns and housing for the next generation as well. a lot of those important decisions which we need to make quickly because they kick—start the economy, we have done it and that's the kind of necessary and important decision—making need from government. important decision-making need from tovernment. ., �* , important decision-making need from tovernment. . �*, ., important decision-making need from government-— government. that's all well and good but how do you _ government. that's all well and good but how do you reflect _ government. that's all well and good but how do you reflect on _ government. that's all well and good but how do you reflect on this? - government. that's all well and good but how do you reflect on this? let i but how do you reflect on this? let me put this up is only one poll

but how do you reflect on this? let me put this up is only one poll so we should treat it with some caution, but it shows a big dip, some from the general election, the approval rating has fallen 20 points punter how do you explain that? i’m punter how do you explain that? i'm a bi fan punter how do you explain that? in a big fan of this newjob but before i did this i was pollsterfor ten years and let me tell you, there have always been charts like that point it is inevitable that politicians get a bit of a honeymoon and a bump and then things go back to normal but also, things will be difficult for the next few years. we will have to make difficult and unpopular decisions. but will have to make difficult and unpopular decisions. but some of it is self punter— unpopular decisions. but some of it is self punter let _ unpopular decisions. but some of it is self punter let me _ unpopular decisions. but some of it is self punter let me give _ unpopular decisions. but some of it is self punter let me give you - unpopular decisions. but some of it is self punter let me give you somej is self punter let me give you some headlines point of the civil service regulate to launch a review of appointments by the new government after accusations of cronyism after eight weeks put itjess phillips, ministerfor safeguarding, eight weeks put itjess phillips, minister for safeguarding, telling people she got quicker treatment in the nhs because she voted in favour of a ceasefire in gaza put jas athwal, the mp at ilford south, the house of commons biggest landlord accused of renting out flats with

black mould and ant. i accused of renting out flats with black mould and ant.— accused of renting out flats with black mould and ant. i don't know about the specifics. _ black mould and ant. i don't know about the specifics. i _ black mould and ant. i don't know about the specifics. i don't - black mould and ant. i don't know about the specifics. i don't know i about the specifics. i don't know about the specifics. i don't know about the specifics of those stories but crucially, the most important thing is that as a government we get on with the most important task which is governing this country responsibly, getting the economy growing, getting our public services working again, focusing on making sure we get those nhs waiting lists down getting coppers on the streets of the country and i'm really proud after what we have seen in the past 14 after what we have seen in the past ilt years to be part of a government thatis ilt years to be part of a government that is ruthlessly determined to make sure we achieve those most importantaims, make sure we achieve those most important aims, behalf of the british people.— important aims, behalf of the british people. liz, you worked with a -a british people. liz, you worked with a party leader— british people. liz, you worked with a party leader and _ british people. liz, you worked with a party leader and it's _ british people. liz, you worked with a party leader and it's true - british people. liz, you worked with a party leader and it's true that - a party leader and it's true that polls fluctuate up and down but do you think that early separatist drop of 20 points in eight weeks, with that alarm the leader's opex? it that alarm the leader's opex? it absolutely will i think people in keir starmer's office and think that they need — keir starmer's office and think that they need to turn it round pond you expect _ they need to turn it round pond you expect to _ they need to turn it round pond you expect to be a bit unpopular, especially if you tell people that

you voted for change but it's about to get _ you voted for change but it's about to get worse. but you want to do things— to get worse. but you want to do things in_ to get worse. but you want to do things in a — to get worse. but you want to do things in a way that you can take people _ things in a way that you can take people with you. labour had a good couple _ people with you. labour had a good couple of _ people with you. labour had a good couple of weeks at the beginning but clearly— couple of weeks at the beginning but clearly had an agenda up and doing some _ clearly had an agenda up and doing some of— clearly had an agenda up and doing some of the things that always did and that's— some of the things that always did and that's the easy part of government, are doing what your predecessor did. where they are now its finding _ predecessor did. where they are now its finding that accountability is difficult, — its finding that accountability is difficult, scrutiny is difficult, governing is difficult punter and setting — governing is difficult punter and setting out what you are going to do and how— setting out what you are going to do and how you will make that change you were _ and how you will make that change you were promised, they have done that yet _ you were promised, they have done that yet. they put sibbick i ideas out there. — that yet. they put sibbick i ideas out there, no substance to them yet. we had _ out there, no substance to them yet. we had this— out there, no substance to them yet. we had this big pitch about growth but there's no big plan —— they put some _ but there's no big plan —— they put some ideas— but there's no big plan —— they put some ideas how to put it there is no substance _ some ideas how to put it there is no substance about where the investment comes— substance about where the investment comes from _ substance about where the investment comes from but there is talk of more cuts~ _ comes from but there is talk of more cuts~ |_ comes from but there is talk of more cuts. . ., comes from but there is talk of more cuts. _, . ~ ., comes from but there is talk of more cuts. _, ,., . ~ ., ., , cuts. i will come back to growth but ou have cuts. i will come back to growth but you have limited _ cuts. i will come back to growth but you have limited money, _ cuts. i will come back to growth but you have limited money, big - cuts. i will come back to growth but| you have limited money, big waiting list, the nhs spending billions, don't you have to be proactive? a lot of those policies that i set out that labour have introduced, me that feels like smart government, get people to stop smoking, more people into the workplace, if they are ill,

they are not in the office or the factory. isn't that what government should be doing if they can't spend the sort of money they would like to spend? the sort of money they would like to send? ., , , , the sort of money they would like to stend? .,,y w the sort of money they would like to send? . , _ ., ., ., spend? happy to go through the detail on an _ spend? happy to go through the detail on an individual _ spend? happy to go through the detail on an individual policy, i spend? happy to go through the | detail on an individual policy, but the big _ detail on an individual policy, but the big set— detail on an individual policy, but the big set piece _ detail on an individual policy, but the big set piece of— detail on an individual policy, but the big set piece of this - detail on an individual policy, but i the big set piece of this government was that— the big set piece of this government was that statement _ the big set piece of this government was that statement in _ the big set piece of this government was that statement in the _ the big set piece of this government was that statement in the house - the big set piece of this government was that statement in the house ofl was that statement in the house of commons — was that statement in the house of commons at — was that statement in the house of commons at the _ was that statement in the house of commons at the end _ was that statement in the house of commons at the end of— was that statement in the house of commons at the end ofjuly- was that statement in the house of commons at the end ofjuly from . rachel reeves, the new chancellor put that there is _ rachel reeves, the new chancellor put that there is no _ rachel reeves, the new chancellor put that there is no money - rachel reeves, the new chancellor put that there is no money left, . rachel reeves, the new chancellorl put that there is no money left, she said things — put that there is no money left, she said things are _ put that there is no money left, she said things are awful. _ put that there is no money left, she said things are awful. then, - put that there is no money left, she said things are awful. then, to- put that there is no money left, she said things are awful. then, to say. said things are awful. then, to say that and _ said things are awful. then, to say that and then _ said things are awful. then, to say that and then give _ said things are awful. then, to say that and then give these _ said things are awful. then, to say that and then give these inflation. that and then give these inflation ilusting _ that and then give these inflation ilusting pay— that and then give these inflation busting pay awards _ that and then give these inflation busting pay awards to _ that and then give these inflation busting pay awards to train - that and then give these inflationl busting pay awards to train drivers and the _ busting pay awards to train drivers and the public— busting pay awards to train drivers and the public sector— busting pay awards to train drivers and the public sector union, it- busting pay awards to train drivers and the public sector union, it was and the public sector union, it was a very— and the public sector union, it was a very bad — and the public sector union, it was a very had first _ and the public sector union, it was a very bad first impression - and the public sector union, it was a very bad first impression given. a very bad first impression given and i_ a very bad first impression given and i think— a very bad first impression given and i think it's _ a very bad first impression given and i think it's the _ a very bad first impression given and i think it's the absolutely . and i think it's the absolutely fundamental— and i think it's the absolutely fundamental reason - and i think it's the absolutely fundamental reason why- and i think it's the absolutely fundamental reason why that and i think it's the absolutely - fundamental reason why that craft you have — fundamental reason why that craft you have put — fundamental reason why that craft you have put up _ fundamental reason why that craft you have put up is _ fundamental reason why that craft you have put up is as— fundamental reason why that craft you have put up is as bad - fundamental reason why that craft you have put up is as bad as it- fundamental reason why that craft you have put up is as bad as it is. you have put up is as bad as it is opened — you have put up is as bad as it is opened and _ you have put up is as bad as it is opened and chris— you have put up is as bad as it is opened and chris is— you have put up is as bad as it is opened and chris is a _ you have put up is as bad as it is opened and chris is a former- opened and chris is a former pollster— opened and chris is a former pollster and _ opened and chris is a former pollster and he _ opened and chris is a former pollster and he is _ opened and chris is a former pollster and he is doing - opened and chris is a former pollster and he is doing a - opened and chris is a former. pollster and he is doing a very opened and chris is a former- pollster and he is doing a very good 'ob pollster and he is doing a very good job at— pollster and he is doing a very good job at spinning _ pollster and he is doing a very good job at spinning that _ pollster and he is doing a very good job at spinning that poll— pollster and he is doing a very good job at spinning that poll but - pollster and he is doing a very good job at spinning that poll but it's - pollster and he is doing a very good job at spinning that poll but it's a i job at spinning that poll but it's a bad poll — job at spinning that poll but it's a bad poll its— job at spinning that poll but it's a bad poll it's a _ job at spinning that poll but it's a bad poll. it's a teacher— job at spinning that poll but it's a bad poll. it's a teacher in - job at spinning that poll but it's a bad poll. it's a teacher in the - bad poll. it's a teacher in the first— bad poll. it's a teacher in the first day— bad poll. it's a teacher in the first day of— bad poll. it's a teacher in the first day of school, _ bad poll. it's a teacher in the first day of school, if- bad poll. it's a teacher in the first day of school, if you - bad poll. it's a teacher in the first day of school, if you are| bad poll. it's a teacher in the - first day of school, if you are soft in front _ first day of school, if you are soft in front of— first day of school, if you are soft in front of your _ first day of school, if you are soft in front of your classroom - first day of school, if you are soft in front of your classroom on - first day of school, if you are soft in front of your classroom on the | in front of your classroom on the first day, — in front of your classroom on the first day, they _ in front of your classroom on the first day, they will _ in front of your classroom on the first day, they will never - in front of your classroom on the first day, they will never respect| first day, they will never respect you or _ first day, they will never respect you or you — first day, they will never respect you oryou gain— first day, they will never respect you or you gain your— first day, they will never respect you or you gain your authority i

you or you gain your authority afterwards _ you or you gain your authority afterwards is— you or you gain your authority afterwards is very _ you or you gain your authority afterwards is very difficult - you or you gain your authority| afterwards is very difficult and what — afterwards is very difficult and what labour _ afterwards is very difficult and what labour have _ afterwards is very difficult and what labour have done - afterwards is very difficult and what labour have done is- afterwards is very difficult and what labour have done is notl afterwards is very difficult and . what labour have done is notjust the fact— what labour have done is notjust the fact that this _ what labour have done is notjust the fact that this sector _ what labour have done is notjust the fact that this sector pay - what labour have done is notjust. the fact that this sector pay awards will cost _ the fact that this sector pay awards will cost six — the fact that this sector pay awards will cost six or— the fact that this sector pay awards will cost six or £7 _ the fact that this sector pay awards will cost six or £7 billion _ the fact that this sector pay awards will cost six or £7 billion that - will cost six or £7 billion that will cost six or £7 billion that will not — will cost six or £7 billion that will not be _ will cost six or £7 billion that will not be helping _ will cost six or £7 billion thatl will not be helping pensioners will cost six or £7 billion that - will not be helping pensioners heat their homes— will not be helping pensioners heat their homes this _ will not be helping pensioners heat their homes this winter, _ will not be helping pensioners heat their homes this winter, it - will not be helping pensioners heat their homes this winter, it is - their homes this winter, it is because _ their homes this winter, it is because every— their homes this winter, it is because every public- their homes this winter, it is because every public sectorl their homes this winter, it is - because every public sector union now in— because every public sector union now in the — because every public sector union now in the country— because every public sector union now in the country looks - because every public sector union now in the country looks at - because every public sector union now in the country looks at this . now in the country looks at this government— now in the country looks at this government and _ now in the country looks at this government and think - now in the country looks at this government and think they- now in the country looks at this government and think they are | now in the country looks at this. government and think they are a now in the country looks at this - government and think they are a soft touch _ government and think they are a soft touch they— government and think they are a soft touch they will— government and think they are a soft touch. they will now have _ government and think they are a soft touch. they will now have to - touch. they will now have to establish _ touch. they will now have to establish their— touch. they will now have to establish their strength - touch. they will now have to establish their strength in i touch. they will now have to establish their strength in a i touch. they will now have to - establish their strength in a way that they— establish their strength in a way that they have _ establish their strength in a way that they have thrown _ establish their strength in a way that they have thrown away- establish their strength in a way that they have thrown away in l establish their strength in a way i that they have thrown away in the first few _ that they have thrown away in the first few weeks. _ that they have thrown away in the first few weeks.— first few weeks. strikes are very expensive- _ first few weeks. strikes are very expensive- i— first few weeks. strikes are very expensive. i think _ first few weeks. strikes are very expensive. i think you're - first few weeks. strikes are very expensive. i think you're being l expensive. i think you're being deel expensive. i think you're being deeply responsible _ expensive. i think you're being deeply responsible to - expensive. i think you're being deeply responsible to do - expensive. i think you're being deeply responsible to do two l expensive. i think you're being - deeply responsible to do two things, one is to allow the strike to continue given the billions and billions of pounds they cost the economy but notjust the economy but peoples lives that have lost in the national health service because of many reasons. and further strikes would not have helped that. one of the most important things we can do for economic growth in the country is get down nhs waiting list because there are people not going to work because they are stuck on waiting lists. are not going to apologise for making sure we come to an agreement with doctors and the city get them back into hospital to start getting down those waiting list. 0n getting down those waiting list. on top of that, what we have seen in

the past ilt years is real dramatic real terms cuts to our nhs pay staff and one of the consequences of that has been a dramatic shortage of nurses and doctors in this country. if you run a business, i work in the private sector all my life, and you have a big staff shortage, one of the things you do is you don't go what the previous conservative government wanted to do, let's do another real terms cut of those staff with a massive shortage. you come up with a plan in order to start getting the stuff back into the nhs. , ., ., the nhs. the problem with labour and the nhs. the problem with labour and the -a the nhs. the problem with labour and the pay deals. — the nhs. the problem with labour and the pay deals. i'm _ the nhs. the problem with labour and the pay deals, i'm supporting - the nhs. the problem with labour and the pay deals, i'm supporting the - the pay deals, i'm supporting the public— the pay deals, i'm supporting the public sector workers getting good pay the _ public sector workers getting good pay the scottish government when i was there. — pay the scottish government when i was there, they did get pay rises when _ was there, they did get pay rises when the — was there, they did get pay rises when the tories weren't giving them pay rises _ when the tories weren't giving them pay rises in — when the tories weren't giving them pay rises in england, but labour have _ pay rises in england, but labour have created a situation where they could _ have created a situation where they could actually put more money into do this _ could actually put more money into do this. they put the fiscal straitjacket on themselves and instead — straitjacket on themselves and instead they are saying... the left are pointing _ instead they are saying... the left are pointing to — instead they are saying... the left are pointing to a _ instead they are saying... the left are pointing to a new obr - instead they are saying... the left are pointing to a new obr reportl are pointing to a new 0br report that shows raising public investment

by i% of gdp would boost output by 0.4% after five years, 2.5% of the 50 years. this return to austerity concerns a lot of people in your party. concerns a lot of people in your la . . concerns a lot of people in your .a _ . ., ., concerns a lot of people in your party. we will have to see what the lans are party. we will have to see what the plans are in — party. we will have to see what the plans are in the budget. _ party. we will have to see what the | plans are in the budget. ultimately, we need to be an economy that invests a lot of that will have to come, most of it from the private sector as well.— sector as well. you need stability in the private _ sector as well. you need stability in the private sector— sector as well. you need stability in the private sector and - sector as well. you need stability in the private sector and to - sector as well. you need stability in the private sector and to date | in the private sector and to date you talk about condensing the working week into four days so that the sort of stability that encourages employers to invest? being the kind of a country that the privacy of the investing is really important and that's why some of the reforms we have them to the planning system will be so crucial. this reforms we have them to the planning system will be so crucial.— system will be so crucial. this is the other contradiction, - system will be so crucial. this is the other contradiction, you - system will be so crucial. this is| the other contradiction, you can't be a _ the other contradiction, you can't be a government— the other contradiction, you can't be a government that _ the other contradiction, you can't be a government that says - the other contradiction, you can't be a government that says there | the other contradiction, you can't. be a government that says there is no money— be a government that says there is no money left _ be a government that says there is no money left and _ be a government that says there is no money left and throw— be a government that says there is no money left and throw miami - be a government that says there is no money left and throw miami ati be a government that says there is i no money left and throw miami at the unions, _ no money left and throw miami at the unions, you _ no money left and throw miami at the unions, you can't— no money left and throw miami at the unions, you can't say— no money left and throw miami at the unions, you can't say you _ no money left and throw miami at the unions, you can't say you are - unions, you can't say you are government— unions, you can't say you are government for— unions, you can't say you are government for growth- unions, you can't say you are government for growth and l unions, you can't say you are . government for growth and then unions, you can't say you are - government for growth and then you cancel— government for growth and then you cancel infra- — government for growth and then you cancel infra— structure _ government for growth and then you cancel infra— structure projects, - cancel infra— structure projects, you make — cancel infra— structure projects, you make it— cancel infra— structure projects, you make it a _ cancel infra— structure projects, you make it a lot _ cancel infra— structure projects, you make it a lot more - cancel infra— structure projects, i you make it a lot more expensive cancel infra— structure projects, - you make it a lot more expensive for employers _ you make it a lot more expensive for employers to — you make it a lot more expensive for employers to start _ you make it a lot more expensive for employers to start hiring workers. i employers to start hiring workers. basically. — employers to start hiring workers. basically. a — employers to start hiring workers. basically. a lot— employers to start hiring workers. basically, a lot more _ employers to start hiring workers. basically, a lot more red - employers to start hiring workers. basically, a lot more red tape - basically, a lot more red tape thrown — basically, a lot more red tape thrown into— basically, a lot more red tape thrown into the _ basically, a lot more red tape

thrown into the economy. - basically, a lot more red tape| thrown into the economy. the government— thrown into the economy. the government at— thrown into the economy. the government at some - thrown into the economy. the government at some point - thrown into the economy. the i government at some point really thrown into the economy. the - government at some point really is going _ government at some point really is going to _ government at some point really is going to have — government at some point really is going to have to _ government at some point really is going to have to take _ government at some point really is going to have to take some - government at some point really is going to have to take some hard i going to have to take some hard choices— going to have to take some hard choices and _ going to have to take some hard choices and at _ going to have to take some hard choices and at the _ going to have to take some hard choices and at the moment, - choices and at the moment, it's making — choices and at the moment, it's making pensioners _ choices and at the moment, it's making pensioners pay- choices and at the moment, it's making pensioners pay an - choices and at the moment, it'sj making pensioners pay an awful choices and at the moment, it's . making pensioners pay an awful lot more _ making pensioners pay an awful lot more over— making pensioners pay an awful lot more over the _ making pensioners pay an awful lot more over the winter— making pensioners pay an awful lot more over the winter by— making pensioners pay an awful lot more over the winter by losing - making pensioners pay an awful lot| more over the winter by losing their winter— more over the winter by losing their winter fuel— more over the winter by losing their winter fuel allowance _ more over the winter by losing their winter fuel allowance but _ more over the winter by losing their winter fuel allowance but the - more over the winter by losing theirl winter fuel allowance but the people that fund _ winter fuel allowance but the people that fund the — winter fuel allowance but the people that fund the labour— winter fuel allowance but the people that fund the labour party, - winter fuel allowance but the people that fund the labour party, the - that fund the labour party, the trade _ that fund the labour party, the trade unions, _ that fund the labour party, the trade unions, are _ that fund the labour party, the trade unions, are getting - that fund the labour party, the trade unions, are getting off. that fund the labour party, the i trade unions, are getting off scott free _ trade unions, are getting off scott free it _ trade unions, are getting off scott free it really— trade unions, are getting off scott free. it really isn't _ trade unions, are getting off scott free. it really isn't good _ trade unions, are getting off scott free. it really isn't good enough . free. it really isn't good enough for chris— free. it really isn't good enough for chris to _ free. it really isn't good enough for chris tojust_ free. it really isn't good enough for chris to just blame - free. it really isn't good enough for chris to just blame the - free. it really isn't good enough l for chris to just blame the tories. the fact— for chris to just blame the tories. the fact is, — for chris to just blame the tories. the fact is, what— for chris to just blame the tories. the fact is, what every— for chris to just blame the tories. the fact is, what every public- the fact is, what every public city union— the fact is, what every public city union now. — the fact is, what every public city union now. as— the fact is, what every public city union now, as you _ the fact is, what every public city union now, as you have - the fact is, what every public cityi union now, as you have indicated, you're _ union now, as you have indicated, you're frightened _ union now, as you have indicated, you're frightened of— union now, as you have indicated, you're frightened of strike - you're frightened of strike action, you're frightened of strike action, you said — you're frightened of strike action, you said that— you're frightened of strike action, you said that strikes _ you're frightened of strike action, you said that strikes hurt- you're frightened of strike action, you said that strikes hurt people, j you said that strikes hurt people, they hear— you said that strikes hurt people, they hear that _ you said that strikes hurt people, they hear that and _ you said that strikes hurt people, they hear that and they— you said that strikes hurt people, they hear that and they know - you said that strikes hurt people, | they hear that and they know that 'ust they hear that and they know that just the _ they hear that and they know that just the threat _ they hear that and they know that just the threat of— they hear that and they know that just the threat of a _ they hear that and they know that just the threat of a strike - they hear that and they know that just the threat of a strike and - they hear that and they know that just the threat of a strike and you| just the threat of a strike and you will cave — just the threat of a strike and you will cave in — just the threat of a strike and you will cave in to _ just the threat of a strike and you will cave in to their _ just the threat of a strike and you will cave in to their wage - just the threat of a strike and youl will cave in to their wage demands and that— will cave in to their wage demands and that will— will cave in to their wage demands and that will cause _ will cave in to their wage demands and that will cause so _ will cave in to their wage demands and that will cause so many - will cave in to their wage demands i and that will cause so many problems down the _ and that will cause so many problems down the line — and that will cause so many problems down the line-— and that will cause so many problems down the line. they talk over each other we had ilt years of trying the other way, this completely confrontational attitude of let's just be enough to give the trade unions and see what happens and what is the consequence? people not being able to get to work on trains because they don't run, people not being able to go to the nhs and get appointments that the? nhs and get appointments that they talk over each — nhs and get appointments that they talk over each other the problem.—

talk over each other the problem. talk over each other the roblem. , ., ., ~ the problem. they do make the roblem the problem. they do make the problem with — the problem. they do make the problem with that _ the problem. they do make the problem with that analysis - the problem. they do make the problem with that analysis is . the problem. they do make the - problem with that analysis is you've taken _ problem with that analysis is you've taken what — problem with that analysis is you've taken what the tories have done are not investing, rachel reeves says she has— not investing, rachel reeves says she has a — not investing, rachel reeves says she has a flexible tea, the obr is showing _ she has a flexible tea, the obr is showing there is room to invest and -et showing there is room to invest and get growth — showing there is room to invest and get growth and so far she is refusing _ get growth and so far she is refusing to do that which is putting you in— refusing to do that which is putting you in this — refusing to do that which is putting you in this position where you have to cut _ you in this position where you have to cut budgets which is getting passed — to cut budgets which is getting passed on to local authorities, the devolved _ passed on to local authorities, the devolved governments opened it's not --oin devolved governments opened it's not going to _ devolved governments opened it's not going to generate, it's not a change. _ going to generate, it's not a change, taking the same fiscal policy— change, taking the same fiscal policy the tories had and locking yourself — policy the tories had and locking yourself into it. you policy the tories had and locking yourself into it.— yourself into it. you can't magic money from _ yourself into it. you can't magic money from somewhere - yourself into it. you can't magic money from somewhere but. yourself into it. you can't magic money from somewhere but is. yourself into it. you can't magic. money from somewhere but is not yourself into it. you can't magic- money from somewhere but is not the same approach, to different approach, we are investing in the economy, setting up a new publicly owned energy company, gb mg, that will invest in energy security to help our economy but in the long term, i think something at least we can all agree on is that rachel's central diagnosis, that the most important mission is to get growth back into the economy, after the anaemic growth we have seen after ilt years of conservatives, will be crucially important and we are starting to make those decisions that are necessary to achieve that. we believe that there, thank you.

the social media giant x, owned by elon musk, has tonight been banned from brazil. the supreme court ordered the "immediate and complete suspension" of the service after the company refused to take down dozens of x accounts the justice ministry said was spreading disinformation. it comes on the back of a decision in france this week to prosecute the russian owner of telegram pavol durov. he is facing a litany of charges linked to fraud, drug trafficking and child pornography, that was faciliated by the telegram app. it all marks an extraordinary shift in attitudes towards the social media companies and in particular encrypted messaging. never before have the biggest companies been held criminally responsible for things circulating on their platforms. lord richard allan is a liberal democrat peer, and for ten years he was facebook�*s director of policy in europe. welcome. two very big stories. are we seeint welcome. two very big stories. are we seeing a — welcome. two very big stories. are we seeing a sea change, a real watershed moment?—

we seeing a sea change, a real watershed moment? ~ . ., , watershed moment? what we are seeing is that these companies _ watershed moment? what we are seeing is that these companies are _ is that these companies are important enough, and there is a next vexation they respect the rule of law. in many cases, they are doing that already. the biggest companies are. if you look at met over the last six months of 2023, meta were asked to provide uk data by law enforcement, and law—enforcement are asking the four data and in the vast majority of cases they are getting it. there is an amount of routine cooperation that goes with it.— an amount of routine cooperation that goes with it. pavol durov was arrested in _ that goes with it. pavol durov was arrested in france _ that goes with it. pavol durov was arrested in france because he - arrested in france because he did not have a licence to run a messaging app in france. they do relate to this _ messaging app in france. they do relate to this failure _ messaging app in france. they do relate to this failure to _ messaging app in france. they do relate to this failure to cooperate | relate to this failure to cooperate with law enforcement. law enforcement agencies and if they are

investigating something live where people are being hurt because of activity on the platform, people are coordinating a terrorist attack or whatever it is, they want you to cooperate with them. end whatever it is, they want you to cooperate with them.— whatever it is, they want you to cooperate with them. end to end encryption _ cooperate with them. end to end encryption is _ cooperate with them. end to end encryption is not _ cooperate with them. end to end encryption is not as _ cooperate with them. end to end encryption is not as it _ cooperate with them. end to end encryption is not as it seems. . cooperate with them. end to end encryption is not as it seems. do you alert police to think that might be in that encryption service? iloathed be in that encryption service? what end to end encryption _ be in that encryption service? twist end to end encryption means that be in that encryption service? its“isgt end to end encryption means that if law enforcement captures some data from the bt network, they cannot read it. but what happens is they have caught one person in a network, they can see the messages and they go to the platform and say, here are ten other people in the network plotting some horrendous activity, can you give us e—mail addresses, phone numbers and ip addresses so we can find them? they expect you to cooperate, so the ethical thing for any platform is to cooperate where they have a good—faith belief that they have a good—faith belief that the law enforcement agency going after people who are causing active harm. �* , . , ., harm. but denying culpability for not tackling _ harm. but denying culpability for not tackling crime _ harm. but denying culpability for not tackling crime on _ harm. but denying culpability for not tackling crime on the -

harm. but denying culpability for. not tackling crime on the platform in the name of free speech is no longer a sufficient defence. hat in the name of free speech is no longer a sufficient defence. not if ou are longer a sufficient defence. not if you are failing — longer a sufficient defence. not if you are failing to _ longer a sufficient defence. not if you are failing to cooperate - longer a sufficient defence. not if you are failing to cooperate on i longer a sufficient defence. not if you are failing to cooperate on al you are failing to cooperate on a serious criminal activity. my experience is if a government says, we want you to take down the opposition politician pot speech, you can push back. is opposition politician pot speech, you can push back.— opposition politician pot speech, you can push back. is that is what is happening _ you can push back. is that is what is happening in — you can push back. is that is what is happening in brazil? _ you can push back. is that is what is happening in brazil? my - you can push back. is that is what is happening in brazil? my job- you can push back. is that is what| is happening in brazil? my job was is happening in brazil? my 'ob was to read the — is happening in brazil? my 'ob was to read the room * is happening in brazil? my 'ob was to read the room and h is happening in brazil? my job was to read the room and understand l to read the room and understand where a government's red lines were and try to get us to not cross them, or if we do, let's do it deliberately, let's withdraw in an orderly way. deliberately, let's withdraw in an orderly way-— deliberately, let's withdraw in an orderl wa . ., , , ., orderly way. there was a suggestion that 8696 of the — orderly way. there was a suggestion that 8696 of the public _ orderly way. there was a suggestion j that 8696 of the public blamed social that 86% of the public blamed social media for fuelling the disruption in the riots. , ., the riots. there is an expectation that responsible _ the riots. there is an expectation that responsible companies - the riots. there is an expectation l that responsible companies behave responsibly. we have an online safety act that 0fcom is introducing, and there is expectation that 0fcom will be tough

with companies and say, look, you should not tolerate things that promote violent activity on the streets. there is speech, people expressing views, there we can have an argument, but where the speech is linked to somebody going out, dragging somebody from a car because of the colour of their skin and beating them up, any responsible platform should you willing to do that. , ,., , .,, ., that. there might be some people who tuard their that. there might be some people who guard their privacy _ that. there might be some people who guard their privacy jealously _ that. there might be some people who guard their privacy jealously and - guard their privacyjealously and value end to end encryption and say, having listened to you tonight, they do deal with the police, they do open up e—mail accounts, they do provide information. do you worry that, with tighter regulation in europe, you might push users to those rogue states where apps are not policed properly?— not policed properly? absolutely. and i will not policed properly? absolutely. and i will be _ not policed properly? absolutely. and i will be in _ not policed properly? absolutely. and i will be in parliament, - and i will be in parliament, defending end to end encryption, but thatis defending end to end encryption, but that is conditional on being responsible and engaging with law enforcement when they have

identified bad guy wing. let's keep these major services encrypted, because for most people most of the time, the privacy is valuable, including most politicians, but conditional on the platforms engaging with law enforcement responsibly when they have identified a real problem. they are not trying to censor the opposition, they are trying to stop nasty people hurting fellow citizens. goad they are trying to stop nasty people hurting fellow citizens.— hurting fellow citizens. good to get our hurting fellow citizens. good to get your thoughts- _ hurting fellow citizens. good to get your thoughts. thank _ hurting fellow citizens. good to get your thoughts. thank you. - the scottish national party lost 38 seats in the general election. today the postmortem began, as members gathered in edinburgh for the annual party conference. it has been a dreadful yearfor the snp — the party and their former leader are still subject to an ongoing police investigation, the membership has collapsed, support for independence remains high, but that is always tied to the political fortunes of the party. so how does the party regroup and rebuild from here? here's the snp leader and first minister of scotland, john swinney.

my message to the party conference will be that we are the party that can deliver hope and ambition for scotland, by setting out that our strong, financially viable and successful country can do an awful lot better as an independent country. and we've got to make that case to the people of scotland. we will do that by proving ourselves as an effective government that acts in the public interest in scotland. there has been a lot of finger—pointing within the party over the summer, a lot of dissatisfaction with the leadership, people don't think they are being listened to, concerns over the spending choices that are coming at holyrood. that is not the backdrop for a reset, is it? holyrood. that is not the backdrop fora reset, is it? i holyrood. that is not the backdrop for a reset, is it?— for a reset, is it? i was there today when _ for a reset, is it? i was there today when the _ for a reset, is it? i was there today when the party - for a reset, is it? i was there i today when the party began... actually, did not begin today, started in july. actually, did not begin today, started injuly. but it was candid, it was quite hard, sometimes quite difficult to listen to, but it was actually very refreshing. john swinney have been around the country

across the summer, with candidates that lost, they have been listening to the party. they were doing it again this morning. by the end of this morning's session, there was a coming together. everyone had kind of had their say, got their points across, everyone felt they had been heard. at least in the room i had been in. by the end of the session, everyone said, right, we know we have a lot to do internally and externally to get back on track. but a determination to do that. i was surprised. a determination to do that. i was surrised. ., ., a determination to do that. i was surprised-— a determination to do that. i was surrised. ., ., ., ., , surprised. how long will that last? it is a surprised. how long will that last? it is a broad _ surprised. how long will that last? it is a broad tent, _ surprised. how long will that last? it is a broad tent, the _ surprised. how long will that last? it is a broad tent, the snp, - surprised. how long will that last? it is a broad tent, the snp, brings| it is a broad tent, the snp, brings together a lot of political views, and the glue that kept it together was the push for independence. if you only have nine seats at westminster, if things don't look rosy in 2026, how cohesive is the party? rosy in 2026, how cohesive is the .a ? , ., , rosy in 2026, how cohesive is the .a ? , ., ., rosy in 2026, how cohesive is the party? the party has had a number of issues over— party? the party has had a number of issues over the _ party? the party has had a number of issues over the last _ party? the party has had a number of issues over the last year _ party? the party has had a number of issues over the last year or _ party? the party has had a number of issues over the last year or two - party? the party has had a number of issues over the last year or two and i issues over the last year or two and it has reduced in size, but what is there now, the group i saw this

morning, was a cohesive group. they are not about to give up. i'm not sure be ever grassed how to handle so many members. it was a workmanlike tone this morning. there is a real sense is morning that they were up for reforming the party. in government, then to work out how to protect public services and protect for the snp has delivered that is unique, the social contract with the people of scotland, that doesn't exist of the uk, which is under threat because of this continuation of austerity. the threat because of this continuation of austerity-— of austerity. the fiscal says they have given _ of austerity. the fiscal says they have given away _ of austerity. the fiscal says they have given away a _ of austerity. the fiscal says they have given away a lot _ of austerity. the fiscal says they have given away a lot of - of austerity. the fiscal says they have given away a lot of money| of austerity. the fiscal says they l have given away a lot of money on public sector pay deals, so there is not much money left.— not much money left. under conservatives, _ not much money left. under conservatives, we _ not much money left. under conservatives, we have - not much money left. under conservatives, we have had| not much money left. under - conservatives, we have had either austerity as a result of the financial crash austerity under the conservatives. there was reason to hope that that might change as we were told under labour, but it is

not, so a government that does not know how much money it has got because rachel reeves hasn“t told it yet has to work out how to pay public sector pay deals which it should do, because public servants have earned that pay. but should do, because public servants have earned that pay.— should do, because public servants have earned that pay. but you have a record now- — have earned that pay. but you have a record now. i'm old _ have earned that pay. but you have a record now. i'm old enough - have earned that pay. but you have a record now. i'm old enough to - record now. i'm old enough to remember— record now. i'm old enough to remember that the scottish education system _ remember that the scottish education system was absolutely the best in the uk, _ system was absolutely the best in the uk, it— system was absolutely the best in the uk, it nowhere is now in the same way — the uk, it nowhere is now in the same way. the nhs in scotland gets a lot more _ same way. the nhs in scotland gets a lot more money the results... so the are lot more money the results... sr“ they are bound to their lot more money the results... sr they are bound to their record? as are the tories.— are the tories. absolutely. that tracked us _ are the tories. absolutely. that tracked us down _ are the tories. absolutely. that tracked us down at _ are the tories. absolutely. that tracked us down at the - are the tories. absolutely. that tracked us down at the last - are the tories. absolutely. that - tracked us down at the last election and it— tracked us down at the last election and it is— tracked us down at the last election and it is inevitable that the s&p... not to— and it is inevitable that the s&p... not to mention the terrible drugs record _ not to mention the terrible drugs record. ., ., ., ., record. you are away from government- _ record. you are away from government. but - record. you are away from government. but the - record. you are away from government. but the snp| record. you are away from . government. but the snp has record. you are away from - government. but the snp has a job record. you are away from _ government. but the snp has a job to do in holyrood. government. but the snp has a 'ob to do in holyrood.— do in holyrood. there is a lot of truth in that. _ do in holyrood. there is a lot of truth in that. government -

do in holyrood. there is a lot of truth in that. government is - truth in that. government is incredibly— truth in that. government is incredibly hard. to rethink, which the snp — incredibly hard. to rethink, which the snp needs to do, as my party needed _ the snp needs to do, as my party needed to— the snp needs to do, as my party needed to do, is hard to do in government. it needed to do, is hard to do in government-— needed to do, is hard to do in tovernment. . , ., ., ., . ., government. it was a good election result north — government. it was a good election result north of _ government. it was a good election result north of the _ government. it was a good election result north of the border, - government. it was a good election result north of the border, but - government. it was a good election| result north of the border, but when you look to 2026, there might be people who lost trust in the snp who say, if we elect a later —— a labour leadership, we will have more power. ultimately, the problem we have seen in the _ ultimately, the problem we have seen in the snp _ ultimately, the problem we have seen in the snp is _ ultimately, the problem we have seen in the snp is quite _ ultimately, the problem we have seen in the snp is quite similar— ultimately, the problem we have seen in the snp is quite similar to - ultimately, the problem we have seen in the snp is quite similar to what - in the snp is quite similar to what we have _ in the snp is quite similar to what we have seen— in the snp is quite similar to what we have seen with _ in the snp is quite similar to what we have seen with the _ in the snp is quite similar to what . we have seen with the conservatives, it is that _ we have seen with the conservatives, it is that sort — we have seen with the conservatives, it is that sort of _ we have seen with the conservatives, it is that sort of chaos _ we have seen with the conservatives, it is that sort of chaos and _ it is that sort of chaos and cronyism _ it is that sort of chaos and cronyism that _ it is that sort of chaos and cronyism that has - it is that sort of chaos and cronyism that has caused i it is that sort of chaos and - cronyism that has caused those problems _ cronyism that has caused those problems but— cronyism that has caused those problems. but you _ cronyism that has caused those problems. but you can - cronyism that has caused those problems. but you can talk - cronyism that has caused those i problems. but you can talk about that, _ problems. but you can talk about that, but— problems. but you can talk about that, but the _ problems. but you can talk about that, but the issue _ problems. but you can talk about that, but the issue is _ problems. but you can talk about that, but the issue is for- problems. but you can talk abouti that, but the issue is for the party that, but the issue is for the party that there — that, but the issue is for the party that there has _ that, but the issue is for the party that there has been _ that, but the issue is for the party that there has been too _ that, but the issue is for the party that there has been too much - that, but the issue is for the party. that there has been too much focus on independence _ that there has been too much focus on independence and not— that there has been too much focus on independence and not the - on independence and not the bread—and—butter issues - on independence and not the i bread—and—butter issues of how on independence and not the - bread—and—butter issues of how you run a _ bread—and—butter issues of how you run a country — bread—and—butter issues of how you run a country in— bread—and—butter issues of how you run a country. in the _ bread—and—butter issues of how you run a country. in the meantime, - run a country. in the meantime, we have _ run a country. in the meantime, we have to _ run a country. in the meantime, we have to get — run a country. in the meantime, we have to get the _ run a country. in the meantime, we have to get the economy— run a country. in the meantime, we have to get the economy growing, i have to get the economy growing, which _

have to get the economy growing, which means— have to get the economy growing, which means right _ have to get the economy growing, which means right across - have to get the economy growing, which means right across the - which means right across the country. _ which means right across the country. in _ which means right across the country, in scotland - which means right across the country, in scotland as - which means right across the country, in scotland as well. which means right across the. country, in scotland as well as which means right across the - country, in scotland as well as the rest of— country, in scotland as well as the rest of the — country, in scotland as well as the rest of the uk _ country, in scotland as well as the rest of the uk and _ country, in scotland as well as the rest of the uk and we _ country, in scotland as well as the rest of the uk and we want - country, in scotland as well as the rest of the uk and we want to- country, in scotland as well as the i rest of the uk and we want to make surem _ rest of the uk and we want to make sure... , , ., ., ~ , sure... this is one of the key issues. _ sure... this is one of the key issues. the _ sure... this is one of the key issues, the scottish - sure... this is one of the key| issues, the scottish elections sure... this is one of the key - issues, the scottish elections are 18 months away, that is a good test of how labour are doing. so what the scottish electorate will be doing is looking at how the snp has done and how the labour government have done. labour in scotland have not been accountable for a long time. but our accountable for a long time. but your fortunes — accountable for a long time. but your fortunes are entwined, because rachel reeves has to set the budget and the spending and you have to do something with it.— something with it. at the moment, the scottish — something with it. at the moment, the scottish government _ something with it. at the moment, the scottish government is - something with it. at the moment, the scottish government is in - something with it. at the moment, the scottish government is in a - the scottish government is in a position, because of what was announced a week ago, they are trying to work out how to spend money when it doesn't know how much it has and we're almost halfway through the year. that is ridiculous.— through the year. that is ridiculous. ., , ., ,, ridiculous. how serious is the investigation _ ridiculous. how serious is the investigation and _ ridiculous. how serious is the investigation and how- ridiculous. how serious is the investigation and how much i ridiculous. how serious is the - investigation and how much does that overshadow what the party is trying to do? it’s overshadow what the party is trying to do? �* , ., . overshadow what the party is trying todo? �*, ., ., ., to do? it's not a day-to-day presence. — to do? it's not a day-to-day presence. you _ to do? it's not a day-to-day presence, you can't - to do? it's not a day-to-day presence, you can't deny... | to do? it's not a day-to-day - presence, you can't deny... nobody could deny that it was not an issue

in the election. it casts doubt over the party. nobody knows what is going on to stop it is taking for ever. and there is a fair amount of disgruntlement in the party and the public, because people don't have answers and don't know what is going on. however it ends, the sooner it ends, the better. there is a new criminal trend emerging in england. beaver bombing. conservationists are warning that vigilantes have been covertly releasing beavers into the countryside because successive governments have failed to organise and licence wild releases. supporters of the beaver say they are the earth's nature healer, often revitalising the rivers in which they live. and we need more of them. but it has to be done responsibly. derek gow is a conservationist and author of bringing back the beaver. he is with us from his farm in devon. lovely to see you. thank you for coming on the programme. let's

start with the beaver, why is it to the earth's best friend? it is the earth's best friend? it is because it — the earth's best friend? it is because it is _ the earth's best friend? it is because it is a _ the earth's best friend? it 3 because it is a gardener, it creates is complex sponges by building dams and canals to suit its own needs, and canals to suit its own needs, and it regenerates the wetland, introducing moss and it slows the flow of water. if you don't what water coming in and flooding your schools and churches and institutions, then beavers above your village are good news. do you su ort your village are good news. do you support iteaver— your village are good news. do you support beaver bombing? - your village are good news. do you support beaver bombing? yes, - your village are good news. do you support beaver bombing? yes, i. your village are good news. do you i support beaver bombing? yes, i think we should erected _ support beaver bombing? yes, i think we should erected statues _ support beaver bombing? yes, i think we should erected statues to - support beaver bombing? yes, i think we should erected statues to the - we should erected statues to the brave people who took action. without them, nothing would have happened. what you would have had from politicians and many nature conservationists and organisations is fine words but no action. so the people who released the beavers and established a population that might amounts to somewhere in the region

of 3500 animals nationally, they are heroes. tm of 3500 animals nationally, they are heroes. “ , ., ., heroes. i'm trying to get an impression _ heroes. i'm trying to get an impression of _ heroes. i'm trying to get an impression of what - heroes. i'm trying to get an impression of what they - heroes. i'm trying to get an. impression of what they look heroes. i'm trying to get an - impression of what they look like. are they clambering down river banks in the dead of night with beavers in their baskets? how does it work? where do they target? i their baskets? how does it work? where do they target?— their baskets? how does it work? where do they target? i don't know. do they look — where do they target? i don't know. do they look like _ where do they target? i don't know. do they look like stig _ where do they target? i don't know. do they look like stig of _ where do they target? i don't know. do they look like stig of the - where do they target? i don't know. do they look like stig of the dump? | do they look like stig of the dump? 0r do they look like stig of the dump? or do they look like lady gaga? they are probably a diverse group of people, but they operate in secret so nobody is sure. it would be hard to stereotype them. the people who believe firmly that this creature, whose case is supported by science, as far as creating a livable island in the northern hemisphere, they are brave people and are doing the right thing. i’m brave people and are doing the right thin. “ brave people and are doing the right thin. �* ., i. brave people and are doing the right thin. �* ., , ., , thing. i'm looking at your beavers on our thing. i'm looking at your beavers on your film _ thing. i'm looking at your beavers on your film here, _ thing. i'm looking at your beavers on your film here, that _ thing. i'm looking at your beavers on your film here, that appear - thing. i'm looking at your beavers on your film here, that appear to | thing. i'm looking at your beavers i on your film here, that appear to me on yourfilm here, that appear to me to be in the wild. previously, they were in enclosures. how did they get

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