this is a political talk show to the point, i'm going to host it alone today. due to the fact that my colleague, alena sirova, is on a business trip covering the visit of the head of state to africa. as a matter of fact, this is what we will talk about today. if you want to join our program, you see a qr code in the corner, point your phone at it and ask questions. in the second corner, another qr code. you can subscribe to the telegram channel of our project, in fact, find out what is happening, including behind the scenes. my name is kirill kazakov. good evening, let's start! well, i’m already

used to the fact that when the president’s business trip abroad is long enough, alena is always with him. alena really makes materials about how our head of state works, well, let’s say, in countries that somewhere we sometimes knew only from well, i don’t know the subject of geography, well, for example, equatorial guinea, really, when do you know about that that this country. you open wikipedia or some kind of history textbook, see where it is, then read a short reference you understand that, in principle, the country is small , but very important, for example, last night our president flew to kenya, kenya is an even larger and quite serious economic player in general in all of africa, before that the president was in the united arab emirates, before that in china , in fact , it seems like, well, what do we need belarus from these countries, why, why, it seems like we are looking at...

some european countries of the same small size as ours, well, 9.5 million people, a country that is should in principle it’s kind of like working in an alliance with those who are nearby, but we are working with those who are nearby, considering russia, but if we talk about the fact that china still borders on the union of russia and belarus, then naturally with the country that is located china is nearby, but here is africa, vadim, we will now return to the deer, she is in touch with us to tell us about what... happened, i want to start a little, here is your opinion, and africa is a prospect for the future, so , you know, our president has a very insightful view of how and with whom to work, take china twenty years ago, he predicted, and so it happened, now africa, or is it a trend, europeans seem to be leaving africa, russians appear there, the chinese appear, and we are already hearing from the news such a new word decolonization xxi century. colonization took place in

the sixties in the past, now we have to fully decolonize, well, we have absolutely practical goals in africa, they correspond to our foreign policy, we have it right on the mido website, in the mouths of the president and the heads of the foreign affairs department it always sounds like we are pursuing a diversified foreign policy, when talking about africa, firstly, from an economic point of view, you need to understand that the lower the starting point, the potentially faster the growth will be, look, here are the countries that...

expensive labor, and market volume , market volume, that is, domestic purchasing power and the right political decisions made for investors, today africa has several aspects: on the one hand, i say again, a low start, that is, the potential for the fact that, firstly, our products will be competitive in this market in terms of price and quality, but they don’t have to overpay for, i won’t name brands of some european, for example, manufacturers of agricultural machinery, it’s better to buy ours, it will be cheaper. it worked in this market during the soviet union, in terms of price-quality ratio, quality of service life, it will be more profitable for africa. again , the moment is political, absolutely right, alexander nigoevich uses this moment, but this is fair, we are not speculating here, we are speaking sincerely, we are not going there, from the point of view white people came, so to speak, wearing white gloves, already wearing pith helmets, we don’t use anyone, we have a win-win principle, both sides benefit, we provide the necessary technologies. africa, we don’t just

bring products there, you need to understand, we bring logistics, services and so on there, we are creating bridgeheads there today, that’s what these countries that you named are, these are the countries where we will gain a foothold.

of course, i cover these events. well look, in the last 2 weeks we've visited the united arab emirates, china, equatorial guinea, kenya. well, this is probably the president’s most exciting long trip since the start of the pandemic, and it’s certainly very eventful. one climate summit in dubai, yes, what is it worth , where, in fact, the whole world was represented, for two days we communicated with each other at... the summit, outside it, it is clear that a lot was not included in the broadcasts, we shared those meetings that were possible, you understand, politics is now a matter that requires silence, some results are already known, yes, well, i remember that one

a story with a long journey, long communication in the same language, alexander lukashenko with alexander, the president of serbia, we know that we have very... difficult relationships lately, but at the same time, it seems that something has changed among the serbian people including some other request that politicians now want to satisfy. as for the united arab emirates, of course, this is our most important, main partner, and here any comments would be unnecessary, and as for equatorial guinea, here are the knowledgeable people behind the scenes shared that it wasn’t even a visit to zimbabwe. which was at the beginning of the year, this one can be considered the most important and most important, which would symbolize the entry of belarus into the full-fledged entry of our country into the african continent, because equatorial guinea is a very closed country, it is even called the united arab emirates in its own way, yes,

well, just in the african world, that is , the authority is so high, this country is rich in natural resources, oil, gas, they talked a lot about the fact that... we are gathering here build agricultural towns, supply equipment and so on, a whole road map has been signed and spelled out, but here’s an interesting point: literally the day before, just before the heads of state met a few hours ago, another very important point appeared in this general program , yes, here is control over the execution of instructions, and this is, perhaps, the main fundamental thing, the minister of agriculture even joked that we are scaring them a little with our pressure, but nothing, the main vector has been set, political will, political there are solutions, so the matter remains small; in six months we have already made a big leap. china, china is a separate topic, many people discussed that the head of state was not

present at the summit in beijing, they say, how could it be, they whispered, exchanged glances, and then a full-fledged working visit of the president took place. we discussed in a broad format the issues that we have today, in general, i think that the visit to china, to the celestial empire, is very important precisely in the context of our visit to africa, in particular to equatorial guinea, with which china cooperates very actively in various areas, including military. i think that experts today will help put together this whole string. its logistics chain into the overall picture, i will definitely say that, in my opinion, it is already very clear to see how the world has changed and how this blanket has now been pulled to a completely different pole to another

hemisphere. well, in addition , please remember these shots from the climate summit in dubai, when before the start, before the photographing ceremony, alexander lukashenko... actually organized an intercontinental summit, where there were representatives of different african states, different states of the eurasian continent, it looks like we are already... for the birth of a new, if not an alliance, then at least a new center, a center of power and a common interest , this will be very interesting to watch, i give you the floor, kirill, studio, and i will listen to our conversation online, see you in minsk next week, my colleague from africa, alena syrova, alexey, please tell me. you know, journalists are the last thing time they put forward such interesting terms

in order to describe what is happening there, this whole community of countries that our president visits, with whom he talks, is called such a spear of brix, which is directed against the west, well , sort of artistic things like that, or they say that this is the global south and the tectonic political plates are starting to move, and indeed all this policy of isolation, which... well, i’ll be trivial and say that no policy is done without a lot of money, in front of

the way politicians begin to move somewhere, first the world economy , world finance begins to move, yes, because any political institutions are all derivatives of the economy, why such shifts occur and such political activity of all leaders, it is clear that there is a deep understanding that the usa. understands that since the global manager does not have resources, well, now they still exist, but tomorrow

they may not exist, then after tomorrow some kind of global economic crisis may begin, everyone wants to avoid it by any means, so for in order to avoid the fall, the collapse of the united states of america of this entire old post-war system, it is necessary to very quickly find common points of contact to understand. that it is these direct contacts , yes, personal meetings, that they will allow, literally on the phone, yes, on a phone call, to agree on many things, when the world begins, well, it’s already collapsing, but when it’s finally, this term africa is waking up , this is what, whether it has some kind of basis, i don’t know, but the fact that countries are really changing their focus, or like in the soviet union, right? some kind of emergency happened, the country was under soviet influence, then under american influence, then again under soviet influence, you

know, here, too, we need to move away from such bright phrases a little and say that they are trying to awaken africa, to awaken it with large investments, these investments are coming the last, probably 20 years, but because those global corporations, global banks that monitor all trends, yes, the productivity of that... on such a scale that the entire african region is capable of raising, yes, but we, the most

the main thing, please note, we are not entering the african region, you know, with an outstretched hand, there, give us some contracts or give us some projects, no, we are entering with a very high status, technological status, managerial status, we know how to manage a project, we know how to make money, we know how to feed people. who isolated themselves? europe has isolated itself from cheap energy resources and reduced its competitiveness. european manufacturers today have isolated themselves from the market, primarily the russian one. and today well done, the chinese earn billions of dollars selling cars. the baltic states isolated themselves from cheap electricity from our nuclear power plant. and across africa. what, what is the so

-called collective west, as we would not call it in africa, doing? they share the market, cheap labor, resources, whoever is the first to stake out their zones of influence there will earn money, here i say again, explosive growth occurs where the cost of labor is the lowest, and you can quickly implement some kind of technology using modern production technologies growth, so they today they are fighting for access to resources, and investment means seizing deposits and other things and means developing the market, but africa is africa. so we are going there with this, the differences in our path in africa are completely different from what the west is doing there, anton yuvich, don’t you think that these visits, china, the united arab emirates and some real guinea, they are essentially different , well, that is, it’s not only that

countries that are members of different unions, countries that profess somewhere completely different... i don’t know the ideology, but at the same time they are all part of the countries of the global south, we can so to say that this is a visit to the countries of the global south, which, i have already started talking about africa, again journalists use the term “woke”. moreover , when the west really, well, relatively speaking , sets out certain rules and red lines that only they understand, this global south begins to create its own rules, begins to create its own unions, and belarus suddenly suddenly turns out to be a country with which everyone can negotiate.

yes, yes, in fact, there is a civilization there that is much more ancient and interesting than even ours european, but our head of state, i think he understands this perfectly, and the logic of his actions tells us this, these visits of his, they only seem spontaneous, in fact it is very easy to look at,

at least the message to the national assembly, the belarusian people where the head of state has already... also been with the president of equatorial guinea, there were bilateral contacts, yes, with many other african leaders, so this is a certain logic, well, look, antonich, i understand what you are saying, but many people, indeed, as you say , people who are not curious about, let’s say , what is happening, think that equatorial guinea, especially you know,

the name is equatorial, guinea, everything is so exotic and somewhere in our subconscious sits about that... really a country where, in principle, civilization does not exist, although we know for sure that equatorial guinea is one of the leaders in this region of africa. kenya is generally a country that surrounds itself with a very large number of countries, including tanzania, uganda, and ethiopia is also focusing on kenya, and many simply do not know or understand this. the question is, again, we spent a lot of time under the liberal views of europe. our fugitives, i’ve already talked about this more than once, why did the belarusians go to zimbabwe, this year’s visit of ours at the beginning of the year, the british, the americans, everything that was taken away from there, and you went there?

third-party contacts seem to be how you started talking about the soviet system, remember, we have a university in trisal ulumba, in fact, we knew a lot about africa, and vangoli served, this is the same approach , this is a fundamentally different approach, because the world order is changing, like tectonic plates, now there is a serious movement on our planet, i think that in 5-10 years the world will be completely different, georgi losilievich, africa is the future of the world's economy. either this is a story in which you need to invest a lot, or this is really some kind of mystery country, but for some reason everyone is fighting for it, the americans,

the french, the british, the russians, the chinese, so we, well, let's come from africa, although in general, at the beginning i would say why we went there in the first place, that is, the fact is that it is, i would not say that it has been there since the nineties , alexander grigorievich said priority. an american film, which is called not only in economics, in my opinion, there is even a perfect storm, what is a perfect storm, these are some kind of critical events or something that initiate some kind of negative consequences, they do not just add up arithmetically, they add up to some kind of algorithmic format. increase the effect from next or previous events. belarus a year ago, a year and a half ago, even now, was subjected to or entered into

a state of a perfect storm. what it is? that is, it’s not just that they disappeared or we were excluded from our fairly premium market markets with high margins from ukraine and the european union. yes, this is true, but there has been a change in logistics, because the goods must not only be produced and delivered. there have been changes in cooperation relations, that is, the supply of technologies, including the supply of components, this is not so profitable, as with ukraine, well, therefore, of course, therefore, in fact, at such a pace, with such, so to speak, active visits at a high level, we actually responded to those actions that the collective west forced us against, which is why africa appeared , including the emergence of a more active china and the emergence of the united arab emirates.

there are english companies from great britain, there are german ones, they didn’t leave, they just got fed up with their colonial trend and approach, come, take, pump out, so

to speak, hire cheap labor. today the mentality is changing, including the african electorate, so to speak, and if we notice the rhetoric of all the countries where, among other things , alexander grigorievich was, the countries of the african union, they have such a large regional union, they talk about some kind of social projects, they talk about localization, because localization is really important, it is not only important from the point of view of a specific country, but there is a free trade zone, localization in one country allows... to sell duty-free in other countries , this trend is followed by the chinese people republic, they are really withdrawing hundreds of billions of dollars of investment, they are localizing and so on and so forth, so we don’t just sell products there, this is the first step to get acquainted with our products and you need to understand that this is an export of not only food products, but consumption there , yes, and these services are complex technical products that require service, and service

is actually well... yes, so it is necessary to approach, these are more than 50 countries on the african continent, and this is a large giant continent, with different completely different approaches , including civilizational approaches, well, it’s also impossible to scratch eurasia with a comb, because conventional sisters need to be approached in a very multicultural way, so to speak, so to speak , look, before the collapse of the soviet union, in fact, many people

looked at africa from point of view. soviet ideology is a country that was helped by the soviet union, if it is a capitalist ideology, then the united states. now the paradigm of some kind of international is really changing cooperation. what do we come with? many people say that, for example, our president, after he visited dubai, he was in china, and china, which is now the largest investor on the african continent, as a matter of fact , is also a big partner. as if the word is the entry of the belarusian economy, belarusian, belarusian enterprises into the african market, is it politics, ideology or economics, which is truer for us now? i think there's a combination of reasons at work here and we have to look very carefully at the political component, the economy, i agree with my colleagues, it is very important, but today we bring to these countries where we go the multilateralism that everyone dreams of, for example

, belarus, i think, is... a tour of our president, and the agenda that we are launching is the beginning of multilateralism, because you cannot decide early in the morning where, that we are going somewhere, it is necessary that that side is also ready for this, and we see today that there is not only a message on our part, there is a very high level interest from africa, from china, from the middle east. today everyone understands perfectly well that the mechanisms are economic.

that is, as an engineer and as an economist, back in soviet times, when i worked in sowing, we really got along, well, i had a different level with our african, so to speak, colleagues, this is very important, i noted then, now i see, so say, at a high level, interpersonal relationships are very important, especially between state leaders, so if some opponents our people say that alexander lukashenko went there on a tourist visit, no,

it was precisely this kind of visit and...

well, so, what is the collective east? these are the countries that have never participated in discrimination, colonization of the world, and have never joined in with those who colonize and discriminate against the world. on the contrary, we are the injured party, and today we are cooperating with those who for decades, they say directly here, if we take the chinese concept, have been colonized and discriminated against for centuries, for example, let’s take equatorial guinea. the country is a former colony of france, and the president of equatorial guinea directly says: yes, we received formal political sovereignty, but we do not have economic sovereignty,

so alexey talks about western transnational corporations that own companies in countries, and what do africans want from us, to rebel together with us and throw these corporations far away, why so many? they need real independence, when not some transnational corporations, the world bank, the imf, come in with some kind of parties, he says, we will bring you loans, and these loans are a political tool for the neo-colonization of these countries, that’s why what the collective east is, is the creation of alternative ones. parallel international structures in politics, in economics , in international relations, which should replace the unipolar globalist world that was proposed by the americans, europeans, the so-called collective west in which we

lived, the world is tired of it, what place is belarus in? this collective east it will take, we know very well that china, for example, has built all-weather relations with two countries with pakistan and belarus, does this give us some kind of carte blanche? here the question is how we will fit in, practically this question was faced by some western countries when they fit into the american pax in 1945, but belgium fit in one thing, and greece fit in on another matter, on what conditions, that is, if we fit in on production terms high value-added products, high-tech products, fit in these high-tech chains on the most favorable terms - that’s one thing, if we become some kind of...

experts, they say this, china comes there with investments, the russians come with military equipment, with protection, well, what to hide, we come with the technologies that we have are peaceful, but still, i

understand so perfectly that, as petya says, this is a territory, a frontier between the west and the east, it’s not clear where it will go there, especially since some countries are in africa , for example, they pass through revolutions. on the side of good, as we call it, yes, this is the military component of these visits, in fact, the military component of this global south or collective east, it is very important to us, we teach something. or we bring something, well, i also want to add a little bit about the fact that let’s see how the head of our state, starting, well, let’s say somewhere in september, really approached all these aspects of these problems, well, firstly, this is starting from the meeting with vladimir vladimirovich putin in september, why, within the framework of this summit, cis treaties, then the csto, met in kyrgyzstan , met in minsk, met a lot later, of course, the climate summit. now the aspect with the climate summit can

be taken as a point of reference, where the provisions and points that we are basically discussing today have actually already been determined, look, the meeting was really with representatives of african countries, a lot of meetings, this is, as it were, the initial aspect, the initial moments related to exactly how we will move forward, were discussed precisely there, after this climate summit. please note, the agenda meeting, the meeting with sinzin, do you think it was accidental or not, look, well, of course not, well, in addition to the fact that we showed that belarusian hockey is still at the level, at least, yes, the issues of what plan, issues were resolved according to the plan that china, for example, is one of the most important states that invests in china today, what do you think, any state like belarus can get into africa today, where the market is busy? how?

next, let's see what's going on in africa in general, there was such an interesting summit between africa and russia, remember, africa russia, 54 african countries came there, it was planned, in the end 45 arrived, 16 were represented by top officials, well, the rest is how it turned out, equatorial guinea was not represented by the head of state, theodora gema basoma, yes, he was not represented there. but when a coup happened nearby in the state in gabon,

already in october the head of state was not somewhere, it was up to the russian federation to decide questions, understanding who is the real military force on this continent today and the fact that today we came there to equatorial guinea not by chance, we visited malaba, then visited and...

i graduated from the diplomatic faculty, never say about your country that we are under someone, china is next to us , russia is next to us, arabs are next to us, don’t ever allow people to talk down about their country, is this a coalition or is this a partnership, this is a partnership, a partnership, there is no need to measure by size, we are an absolutely equal country , founder of the un and so on and so forth, but in general it’s very competent, i respect it, everything is laid out very competently, then we move on, which means what we are doing so that in simple terms, there is... transformation, destruction of the international system. this is a very dangerous period. the task of the country of belarus, again, not a small country, a central european state, the republic of belarus, means to integrate into the coalition that will first allow us to maintain economic sovereignty , ensure security, that is, not be

drawn into military conflicts, and maximum to benefit from this, that’s what lukashenko did and managed to do. think about it, it's against it. imposed sanctions on the cops, european countries , ukraine, our major trade and economic partner imposed sanctions, a number of countries around the world, australia, allies in the usa and others and others are imposing sanctions, and last year we managed to trade $4.3 billion plus taking into account goods and services, you understand, that is, by building competent, healthy relations, we increased trade turnover with china by 95%, increased exports by 65%, the russian federation opened up our own market, and we work as...

such pleasant optimism for me is that our countries, which we now call, say, unfriendly, the russians , we, that they will eventually realize that, in principle, their policy is at the moment , it is not entirely correct, in africa positions are beginning to be lost, here is the state language, some countries are abandoning french, there is a uranium deposit, suddenly they suddenly go into nationalization, yes, that is, well, there is an understanding, or they are rushing. an abyss with such a global one hysteria and don’t see anything, you know , well, we can sort of consider two vectors, one is positive, yes, to say, everything will be wonderful, they will all weaken, and there will be no struggle and the collective east will conquer everything, there will be a bright future for the collective , this is what we

are trying to kind of imagine and show, but in reality you need to understand that uh-huh. not just the collective west, it is a global capital of enormous proportions in terms of capabilities, efficiency of decision-making, and what we now see is some weakening of them in africa, in the asia-pacific region, in latin america in the middle east, and it seems to everyone that they have weakened and concentrated on ukraine there...

in reality, you need to understand that global capital has realized its weaknesses and the need for restructuring after the fifteenth year , 2015, by the nineteenth year he is preparing a plan to reconstruct himself for the next 15 years from the twentieth to the thirty-fifth year, and to say that he is now weakened, but no, he is simply rebuilding, he is so used to it, he for 400 years now the capitalist world order has been rebuilt this way every time, that’s why. our task, the most important thing now, is the president flew in, reached an agreement at the highest level, and then the next step is simple. management work, yes, those who will implement all these agreements, yes, implement them locally, the task here is for our managers

to make the most of the speed mode, yes, the time mode, in this case, belarus will have results, otherwise, if we lose a little time, this is not the continent where we can speed up just by our desire, why does the president say that they are very conservative

half of humanity will die of hunger, that is, a sharp fall of such a system is impossible, only idiots, illiterate people who did not

finish even the first year of the economics university poorly, i graduated from the economics university with honors , they can say this , it’s just a misunderstanding of nonsense, wait, give me zako, don’t interrupt the elders, second, that means, yes, by rank, by age, we go further, so, that means we go further, that means we’re talking. we in belarus need to behave 10 times more carefully and in this system we are not talking about the collapse of some pole, our task

is to strengthen our pole so that it is taken into account, do you want a nuclear war, do you want an economic collapse, stop talking in the language of the cold war, and indeed today we have come to this on the threshold of a nuclear war, but those guys who pour the mill, again, on these matters, next time on the air we will issue military tickets and send them somewhere. .. to serve, that’s all, well, if they want, that’s all, take off your buttonhole, let's go to war, or let's go to war peacefully, what's the problem, what's the problem, someone wants to live in this with such rose-colored glasses that there is no cold war , no confrontation, no sanctioned aggression, let's adapt, sit down, everything will be great and fine. a special military operation showed that they can’t sit it out like that, if someone wants to sit it out, it won’t work, the front is in our south. this is the first moment, the second moment, other countries are already building alternative global projects, a community of common destiny

humanity, which china has declared and which it is implementing, is already a challenge. american and the question is different, where do we fit in, the president clearly said where we fit in , neither in the collective west, nor in the eu, nor in nato, nor the imf, nor the world bank, in the community of a common destiny for humanity, we are building a union state with the russian federation, we entered africa with precisely those states that today say, goodby, america is good, that’s it, period, and there’s no need to play around here, to adapt somewhere, no, yes, it’s clear that it’s not we will break. the people's republic of china cannot afford to say to china the people's republic of china the usa cannot say goodby america well cannot afford they behave competently in a balanced manner alexey can be reasonable let's go down a little from the global straight to the current one here i'm like well somewhere in what - degree teacher always

focus on some cases, so i’ll now give one case that seems to me. will show how we should work, here is a colleague, a colonel, he spoke in military component, at least, there was such a question for you , let ’s look at this military component in equatorial guinea, yes, today i completely agree, today there is a redistribution, so to speak , of partnership relations in this country, and this is a brewing conflict between western countries how guinea can respond to this conflict is by armed defense of its interests.

of this country, we cannot say that we will help you create an army, you need to be smarter, i agree, but we have it in our heads behind the scenes in mind, together with our russian partners we supply equipment there with the help of financial instruments of the same russian federation, there is such an insurance policy as kaksar, here is an example of a case where belarus, without publicly conflicting with great countries, can...

songa, yes, he himself is a former military man , he is 81 years old, so he still has such a bearing, he graduated from the general military academy there in zaragoza, then commanded the national guard, which usually happens after that with the support of the people and the army, carried out a coup d'etat, now with he has been leading this country since 1979. according to the human development index, this country is definitely one of the top five in africa, not to mention

the gdp, nominal value, gdp in terms of purchasing power.

the president said correctly, and now this is our time, it is pressing, and we must prevent it everywhere, well, in fact, i will also continue your thought on this, it is indeed possible that the world is on a certain kind of split, and you know when it is necessary to solve a very difficult situation , no matter in chess or in a political game, you always need to sometimes choose a person who understands everything in the game for a very long time and has a certain trust among all parties, and so our president really has such trust. china, african leaders, russia , even some people from the west still constantly look at the territory of belarus and the belarusian leader as a person who can help them, so be that as it may,

belarus is small, but has great potential, at a minimum, to influence international politics.

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