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sas program i am authorized to announce, its presenter nadezhda sas, i greet you. i remind you that this program is for those who want better understand what is happening and understand how these processes, events, people will affect the life of the country of each of us. we will tell you about the main events of world politics this week right now. granddaughter on january 28, an unmanned aerial vehicle struck a us military base in the northeast and... jordan, as a result of the incident dozens of people were injured, three servicemen could not be saved. the american channel cnn called the incident a serious escalation of the already tense situation in the middle east. there were drones launched from iraq. responsibility for the attack on the americans lies with the kataib hezbollah group, which is part of the islamic resistance movement in iraq. earlier , us president joe biden said that washington would respond to the attack on the american military. base on the border of jordan and syria.

speaking in the city of iasi, romanian politician claudio tarzio said that bucharest could lay claim to a number of territories in western ukraine. moreover, romania is even ready to leave nato if this is necessary for their accession. bessarabia must return home. northern bukovina cannot be forgotten. southern bessarabia, hertsa county, transcarpathia, everything that belonged to and... the party that took fourth place in the last parliamentary elections. similar statements were made in hungary on the same day. the leader of one of the parties, laszlo toradskai, believes that if ukraine is defeated and finally loses its statehood, budapest may begin to lay claim to transcarpathia. in addition, claims for now. ukrainian lands also

resonate in poland, where they are called eastern chairs at the beginning of last week , information appeared in the ukrainian media that president... zelensky fired by his decree the commander of the armed forces valery zaluzhny, a few hours later the president's office verified this message, but as journalists managed to find out, zelensky was really trying to get rid of the popular in society the commander-in-chief, but the hostage refused to do this in his favorite way, forcing him to write a statement of his own free will. moreover, he leaked the details of the incident to the media. for subsequent days, information about the conflict between two key figures in ukraine appeared on... the front pages of leading western publications, which indicates that the elites of the united states and europe are tired of zelensky’s methods of rule and are not going to continue to cover him up, without abandoning the course of confrontation with russia. in general , it is clear that the conflict between the president of ukraine and the commander of the armed forces of ukraine has not been resolved; on the contrary, it is only

beginning to grow. against the backdrop of failures at the front and the need for extremely unpopular mass mobilization, she returned to ukraine. internal squabble from bylov for show. there was no trace of unity in the face of an external enemy. i would like to start today’s discussion with an extraordinary quote from the novel walking through the torments of alexei tolstoy. maslenitsa is a holiday of eating the sun. they conjured him with round dances, then ate his image and pancakes. as you can see, the slavs have always aimed very high in their worldviews. and the topic of our program today will be the union state of belarus and russia. his story was full of suffering, but and of course, the desire for high goals, as from a project that at the first stage few believed, considered a round dance on the island of the ussr, yet it turned out to be integration that actually works in the interests of the two peoples, we

will discuss today, vadim franzovich is taking part in today’s program guegen, general director of the national library of belarus, chairman of the board of the belarusian knowledge society, hello, hello! dmitry aleksandrovich egorchenkov, political scientist, director of the institute for strategic research and forecasts ruden. hello hello. and also joining our broadcast is natalya yurievna nikanorova, a deputy of the parliamentary assembly of the union of belarus of russia, a member of the federation council of the federal assembly of russia. good afternoon. according to tradition, we begin our discussion with a flash question, today it reads as follows: can a union state grow a new one?

union state of belarus and russia, issues of integration interaction were on the agenda, not only minsk and moscow cooperate closely in a variety of areas, the results are impressive, we will tell you about the achievements and plans in more detail in our story. it took place in st. petersburg. during the meeting of the supreme state council of the union state , the presidents of belarus and russia arrived together at the konstantinovsky palace. vladimir putin is driving. alexander lukashenko is in the passenger seat next to him. the main topic of the supreme state council

is, of course, cooperation between belarus and russia. improving transportation logistics, deepening import substitution and more. what else were they talking about? russia was given special attention to the discussion assessment of the implementation of 28 union programs. within the framework of the union state , the legal and organizational foundations of a common economic space have been formed, and conditions have been created for the implementation of a unified macroeconomic and monetary policy. thanks

to the successful implementation of 28 sectoral union programs, russian and belarusian legislation was unified , legal and organization... foundations of a common economic space were formed, conditions were created for the implementation of a unified macroeconomic and monetary policy, for joint work to minimize y at the meeting of the supreme state council, the heads of state also sat shoulder to shoulder, which once again emphasizes the friendly relations of the countries and close cooperation. the belarusian and russian media pay a lot of attention to him, and a union media holding will soon appear. a unified coordinated policy will be ensured by two weekly newspapers, a weekly magazine and a television channel. i think if we create a normal one.

union programs were presented as an interconnected, large-scale, meaningful

integration document on the implementation of which prime ministers roman golovchenko and mikhail mishustin, deputy prime ministers alexei averchuk and nikolai snopkov reported at a meeting of the supreme state council, which took place last monday. and that’s why experts, kind, not very deep-scale or such people.

sectors of the economy, yes, probably, increasing cooperation, yes, identifying new logistics routes for the supply of belarusian goods through the baltic ports and through the highways of the north-west. yes, today there is more successful work on import substitution, on the formation of production chains, eliminating more and more elements of unnecessary competition. yes , the supreme state council has just adopted a decision confirming the new practice of industrial policy. moving away from the formation of barriers and transition to a barrier-free environment for the supply

of components from russia to belarus and from belarus to russia, a lot has been done, but this does not mean at all that this is a response to western pressure, accounting yes, forecasting the situation yes, but strategically, fundamentally everything was decided long before the arrival of the macrons, bidens, and fonderleins. to their posts moreover, history will cover these pages when these people influenced the policies of the european union and relations.

not just an achievement, but a breakthrough. is it possible to say that belarus and russia, adjusted for a fundamentally different economic model than in the soviet union, have generally reached similar scales of economic integration and cooperation ties to the inter-republican ones? in the framework, it turns out that suddenly today you are being absorbed by russia, alexander grigoryevich lukashenko has said many times. and vladimir vladimirovitch putin. russia and belarus is building an equal partnership system of relations on the foundation of independence, sovereignty, within the framework of bringing together economic potentials, scientific potentials, technological potentials, for the sake of people. obvious tasks, open, public, whoever reads them correctly

understands everything, whoever wants to distort them, we probably won’t convince them, their masters set something else. and i, as a journalist, cannot help but ask a question that worries me and my colleagues about the union media holding. please tell me if you have any idea what media will be included in it, will the staff be formed in a 50x50 proportion of russian and belarusian media workers, and most importantly, when will we see the first broadcasts of the new tv channel. i would be extremely grateful to you for exclusive information. the decision was made to create. media companies of the union state, a television channel, print media and, of course, a resource center for the formation of internet content. the russian and belarusian sides will interact with each other, form personnel, a model, prepare a charter for an autonomous non-profit organization,

they will form a creative concept, they will discuss it, it’s going under the radar... it won’t be hidden and no one wants to hide anything, success to all, we will work in partnership with media companies in belarus and russia, try to take the best experience, share ours. thank you. dmitry fedorovich, thank you very much for taking the time to join our broadcast, and we continue our

discussion. natalya yuryevna, for ordinary people, videos from high-level meetings and dry statistical data say little. but few people see the success of union integration in recently, precisely in the assistance that the republic of belarus provides to the civilian population of donbass, tell me, how do you think this support for a fraternal country is assessed by ordinary donetsk and lugansk residents, and what do you see as the role of the enterprise of the belarusian organization in the restoration of donbass after the end of hostilities? to answer this. the question must be addressed first of all to what has already been done, and what specific results, as you say, ordinary people can see and feel today. well, that means april 18, 2023 in the past year, the head of the republic visited the republic of belarus, met with alexander grigorievich lukashenko, also

visited several industrial enterprises, met with the government of the republic of belarus. actually, as a continuation of this visit, we also had a meeting with the chairman of our government and the delegation from the donetsk people’s republic to the republic of belarus and also met and discussed specific areas of interaction, so this is what they are already expressed in, an agreement has already been signed with amkador, there is already interaction with the first belarusian industrial company. they we they will supply us with silos for the construction of elevators, and they also discussed quarry equipment, belarusian tractor buses that are interesting for us, construction equipment. tiles, products, furniture, wallpaper, today the donetsk people's republic supplies sunflower seeds, it is also preparing to supply fourth-class grain, that is

, we are already cooperating in many areas and belarusian companies are already present on the territory of the donetsk people's republic, many of them are interested in the localization of production, including on the territory of the donetsk people's republic, because let me remind you that we have a free economic zone in accordance with federal law, and today, of course, this is of interest to enterprises of the republic of belarus , including that is, such a huge giant as mas, a giant of the automotive industry, he also expressed interest in localizing a certain part of the assembly on the territory, with your permission, yes, let’s pay attention to our trade turnover graphics union state, data for recent years, we will display them on the screen and discuss them in more detail. vadim fransovich, well , that’s really impressive, isn’t it? yes, growth , there was a dispute about last year, after all , taking into account services, plus or minus a couple of billions,

this seems to be not much, but these are quite significant numbers, but i would also say about cooperation with new areas, i personally had to see belarusian goods on the shelves of donetsk and lugansk stores, and the price was just like the new year holidays in lugansk. the famous soviet champagne , which is produced in minsk, the price was about the same as in belarusian stores, on the streets of the restored mariupol, we have already seen brand new oils that are involved in the construction and removal of construction materials there, well, in the analysis of the rubble that is there, then there are quite a few present, even to me, women in the lugansk people’s republic, government employees expressed, they say, that’s why in donetsk there is a whole store of belarusian goods, but we don’t have enough of them, even...

the relationship between canada, which for a second is part of the big seven, and the united states, i can go into detail there. i’ll be mistaken, but their trade turnover is more than 70 percent , that is, it is quite natural that if the european union itself, by its own will, does not want to see our goods on its market, although we have

a trade turnover and it has even been growing in recent months, it does not want to see our goods , the russian doesn’t want to see, naturally we are strengthening this mutual connection, but what’s also important is that our partners from third countries see this, in the republic of belarus is now firmly in second place in terms of goods. the people's republic of china came into the turnover, until recently it was ukraine, and it consistently held second place, now china, why again are we redistributing our market, we are redistributing our commodity flows, and this is not just the supply of raw materials and products there, but this is very important at the level of interregional cooperation with russia, especially, these are cooperation ties, that is, joint production, exchange of parts, related connections, we reach the point... to produce, for example, some kind of product, not necessarily of the military-industrial complex, although now this is important, the same mas, mtz, some russian goods in modern electronics

in up to 70 regions of the union.

rightly noted how a system will be built that does not allow, a system of checks and balances, let’s call it that, yes, in which it may not be so, so as not to repeat, for example, the experience of the same european union, where today we see related processes precisely because the centers of the european union de facto colonize small states of the european union, yes, and this causes completely obvious social outbursts,

that’s all, yes, when they say: that the union state is developing slowly, such a thesis is quite common, that look how much time has passed, and that means you are still moving toward construction union state , perhaps this is the answer, but how is it possible to maintain this balance, a very careful, very step-by-step process of taking into account the interests of coordinating positions, and not declaratively, and then it’s all done normatively, yes, but very carefully verified so as... not to harm either side or the other, so that this is fully consistent with what today is commonly called the sovereignty of the parties, yes, and , accordingly, there is a whole chain of interests of everything else, yes, of course, westerners , let’s call them that, this very word, because we have completely removed the word partners from the discourse already, yes, the westerners in some sense helped us by unleashing that same hybrid war against belarus, against russia, let’s not

forget... forgets that within the framework of a hybrid war economic scientific and technological factors are extremely important, this is cutting off production chains, cutting off trade, trade and economic cooperation and cutting off access to technology, this was spelled out from the very beginning in nato doctrinal documents, including, by the way, regarding confrontation with the eastern flank, as they describe it, and today we see that yes, including not only... and not in many ways, including thanks to this - the idealistic position of the west and this approach of russia and belarus are not forced, but take advantage of the opportunity. yes, western companies are leaving, well, space is being freed up for belarusian companies, for russian companies, for - including production facilities of the lugansk people's republic, donetsk people's republic, zaporozhye and so on. i am absolutely convinced, by the way, they say that

it is interaction. the question is, again, everything will be fine in time, when both sides understand that this is not, this is not a statement, it must be done, because it must be done, because it is a populist move and good, people may accept it, but what the consequences will be, whether economic systems are fully prepared for this transition, why this is being done is also important, yes, if today bilateral interaction is not hampered in any way by the lack of such a joint currency, otherwise it may not be

worth it yet.

to lose an important thread related to the financial and credit sector, we have completed one stage of two-year integration, the stage of harmonization of legislation, primarily in the customs, tax sphere, industrial policy, 28 programs from 21 to 23, the results have been summed up, documents on the new stage is 24-26 years old, this is a stage in a certain area, there is no need to be afraid of these words of unification, but unification on an equal basis. again, critics say that belarus supposedly accepts the conditions of the russian federation there, this is not true, if we introduce a single tax base, then the belarusian taxman sees the entire tax base from kaliningrad to kamchatka, the kuril

islands, and the russian sees it, this creates in fact, a very serious reason for developing business, entrepreneurship for the future, this makes our entire tax system, why? in this regard, it is impossible to adopt the best practices that were laid down in the tax sphere by mikhail vladimirovich mishusin, when he headed this area or the russian federation, but we see how industrial policy is happening, for example, issues related to state support for certain areas of import substitution, we started this work earlier, 10-15 years, than in the russian federation, we see how they accept these practices, that is, this is a mutual process, a fundamental issue in... our integration on a parity basis, regardless of the size of the territories , population and other things, and this benefits both the russian federation and the republic of belarus, here it closely resonates with politics, based on the results of the supreme state council and

implemented programs, we do not see any at one point of infringement of the sovereignty of each of the participants, we are not even talking about the delegation of sovereignty at this stage, for example, if we compare with european integration, there is a priori a state, especially at this stage, that declares by joining the european union, even at the application stage, it loses a significant part of its sovereignty, it hands over entire sectors, directions of its policies, especially economic, social, and agricultural policies , under external control; we have nothing like that. vladimir franskovich, and for clarity, dear viewers, let’s show the graph, import-export, please, natalya yuryevna, one of the... important aspects of union integration was interaction in the field of port activities due to unfair restrictions introduced by the european union, belarusian exporters lost their usual channels for sending products to the world market, here

russia came to the rescue, giving minsk access to the construction of its ports in the leningrad and murmansk regions, but this is still a northern direction, even a southern one more important, what do you think, is it possible? discuss the hypothetical possibility of creating a belarusian transport hub in the future on the sea of ​​azov in the dpr. well, first of all, we are talking here about the mariupol port, as i understand it, and if we talk about reunited regions in general, then this also includes melitopol, and i think that here we can talk about this not only hypothetically, because there was a certain interest in this interaction. was expressed at the meetings that i spoke about above, with the head of the republic and with the chairman of the government, certain work is already underway in this direction, that is, the presence of belarusian companies on the territory of the donetsk people’s republic, including clearly manifested in

the interest in using our port, and i think that in the near future we will see concrete manifestations of the results of this activity in this direction as well. thank you. he practically said with a refrain that this north-south corridor, the participation of russia and belarus in it, as important parts of this corridor, is one of the megaprojects of the 21st century, which is being implemented economically, including, and of course, within the framework of this huge logistics river , as they say, yes, in a completely natural looking you are the formation of a belarusian hub of someone like that, but on on black and azov seas.

it happens that this also needs to be dealt with, so documents were signed on the creation of a joint media holding, and one of the important ones, logic dictates that nothing itself is one of the important signed documents - a strategy for scientific and educational cooperation, which is extremely important in the conditions that we today we are telling you, there is a refrain everywhere, the geopolitical situation is pushing us to engage in this more and more actively, therefore... but for me personally, as for a person who

has been closely involved in science and the humanities for a long time, including with the participation of belarusian colleagues, the fact that special attention is paid to this is extremely indicative. vladimir franovich, they are really waiting for the creation, the full opening of a union media holding, as you see this interaction, perhaps you have some insider information, i don’t have any insider information, minister. information belarus vladimir pertsov said quite clearly, it seems to me , that various resources that already exist for many will be combined a quarter of a century, in my opinion, even older, maybe there is a union state, this is a television and radio association, newspapers, but here it is important not to destroy the existing strong positions, but to increase, especially on the internet, in audience coverage, but the media holding is very closely related to what dmitry was talking about, with an ideological component, we don’t talk often, let’s say... right here why union

building has been slowed down for a long time, because in the government offices, unfortunately, first of all in russia, but also in belarus, now let's clarify, there were people which directly interfered with this, here is the start of ninety-nine, and this, by the way, was reflected in the work of the media holding, the start of ninety -nine, and i remember this talk show, when chubais came to minsk, no longer the head of the presidential administration, but a very influential person in moscow circles , which...

to understand who we are, where we come from, where we are going , to get rid of all this feigned rubbish, and sometimes specially introduced by our opponents and move forward more confidently, well... it’s really worth considering the phenomenon of alliance in the modern world, in 2020 this alliance played a key role, here is the dominant position of the united states of america, for a long time in the international arena, it was largely based on a system of alliances and partnerships with

dozens of states. dmitry alexandrovich, here are some possible lessons the union state should learn and whether there is a goal. i think that in this case, connected to scale and develop to increase, the staff can only give us an anti-lesson. because the whole entire system of unions, which are conditionally, as the americans themselves call it, it is of course a union, it is conditionally a tributary relationship, but at best, but this is not quite a client structure rather than a union , the united states openly almost declares that that in general they don’t need allies, they need them more quickly. here are the obedient executors of their will, despite the fact that this will, it is broadcast, well, maybe not always by the united states, britain, mr. cameron recently announced that we will determining what the structure of a new state in palestine will look like is unexpected

, he said, yes, it seems that almost a century has not passed since britain lost its status...

that this is very clearly visible in the media, but we have russian experts are actively, increasingly actively participating in the functioning of the belarusian media space, belarusian experts regularly work in russia, i think we regularly meet on russian channels here, that is, the geography is changing, but we are still the same, people becomes more, it is also important to note here that.

and in our third block, concluding, we’ll talk about the new union; not so long ago, the president of the republic of belarus, alexander lukashenko, at a meeting with vladimir putin, spoke about the ukrainians, who will still be with us. let's hear direct speech and discuss. what prevented ukraine and the baltic countries from working with us like this? this is our world, we have been building it for several decades, we have won this terrible thing together.

let's first of all distinguish between two concepts, our president has repeatedly talked about this vladimir vladimirovich said that we are not conducting a special military operation against ukrainians as such, we are conducting a special military operation against the neo-nazi kiev regime, which today has essentially captured normal ukrainians. yes, what they are doing, of course, they are doing things that are completely cynical, crazy in scale, they are literally reprogramming from infancy to the youngest years, they will teach schoolchildren an absolutely perverted history, taking into account the amount of time this is. that is, we can already talk about the whole generation of these young people who today absolutely do not know their roots,

and do not understand what brotherhood is, do not understand what the slavs are in general, they feel some kind of threat from a hostile aggressive mood on the part of russia, which, which is absolutely not , they are told about this exclusively from all tv channels, by the way, let me remind you that... the so-called democratic regime, i’m saying now in quotes, destroyed absolutely all opposition parties, absolutely any other point of view on what is happening in the form the absence of any tv channels , media that could take some kind of objectionable position to the kiev regime, so these people are deceived, of course, they will return, they will return in the sense that in any case, when fulfilling our goals. .. demilitarization and denocification, of course, they will know the reliable history, b, reliable facts

from the reality that is actually happening now, because there is an impression, let’s take at least one fact, this clearly demonstrates and illustrates perversity logic, since the fourteenth year the ukrainian authorities, the kiev regime have been saying that they are fighting in the donbass with russian troops, with the russian... regular army, yes, not with the civilians of donbass, not with the militia , but with the russian army, suddenly in february twenty in the second year, they started a new countdown, which means they were on the fifth day, the tenth day, the twentieth, i have a question, where did all the previous years go then, and no one even asks this question, that is, there is no logic as such in principle, and so absolutely everything, so of course we have to bring these ukrainians back to reality.

the children are studying the ukrainian language in kherson

; crimean tatar, there are no problems with this, therefore there is no war with ukraine, another thing is that there is ukrainian bandera integral nationalism, it has many fathers, that’s how it was in galicia during the time of austria-hungary, when the so-called russophiles were simply physically exterminated, they are trying to do the same thing, as natalya yulievna said, within the framework of the fascist regime of zelensky, but it is an axiom, if you look at the publications, expert assessments already in the west, that ukraine will probably survive, but not in those countries.

region of the new russian federation is russia is conducting military operations on its territory now further ukraine in any

case will not remain within the borders it was in... the future ukraine is not a member of nato, on the ukrainian side, just feel the difference , what happened, the question is, what will our position be, at least neutral, and what territorial concessions can be made ? secondly, but we must not forget, yes, these people are crushed by repressions, threats, but we are well aware that the territory that is under the control of the kiev regime...

has already, naturally, been given to ukraine. dmitry to those lands that were once included and were alexandrovich, do you think, when will this day come x, do you think, whether the territory of ukraine will remain in the form that we know it at the moment, or apart from the ukrainian authorities. the geopolitical decomposition of post-soviet ukraine began in the fourteenth year with a coup d'etat in which the people who came to power in kiev declared that we have the right to freedom to freely choose towards the european union and

at the same time at the same time refused with a second hand... after which their completely meaningful crimea made a choice by holding a referendum, including after that its completely meaningful choice other regions of post-soviet ukraine did, and for many years they defended this choice with arms in hand. now it is quite obvious that these territories are already part of the constitution of the russian federation. russia in this sense, part of ukraine, oddly enough, has already become part of the union state, and what remains of ukraine, again from the post-soviet ukraine of ninety-one, probably after some time can also become part of the union state , if this happens, we do not yet know what the general a peace settlement scheme, which will certainly take place, but will

some parts of this remnant go somewhere to romania, right? but please pay attention, please pay attention that the ukraine that will be new must, in principle, let’s be honest, earn the right to join the union state, show that it is ready for this, that it wants it, that it ready to work for this, including through the efforts of those people, as was quite rightly noted, who are indeed now there near the kiev regime... think that they do not support this nazi regime, but they will still have to make efforts to become part of the union state of russia and belarus. vladim frantsovich, we’re finishing the program, 30 seconds, final word, please. in fact, the supreme state council, which was held, stated the very serious progress of our union project, but our two leaders

urge us to never rest on our laurels, not to become complacent, we need to move on. there are still unresolved problems with the formation a single oil and gas market, energy resources , what we said here, financial and credit systems, every citizen of belarus and russia should know what the union state gives him, what these priorities are, the fundamental question, thanks to the union state, we should all become stronger, this is already happening, but the main thing is to build up this power - union integration, so we are optimists, but we are determined for an even better result. thank you very much, in conclusion i would like to thank all participants for the most interesting discussion and say this: in in his famous book, ukraine is not russia, leonid kuchma writes: “fortunately, for ukraine and other union republics, gorbachev and his entourage remained hostages to the very end of marxist postulates about the supremacy of the economic class over the national. and one can say it differently:

the caretakers of platinum underestimated the power of water "probably former president." ukraine is right, but what are the consequences of the supremacy of nationalism over economic logic for the interests of ordinary people in ukraine, a destroyed country and an impoverished population. and fortunately for... economy in eastern europe.