for children in every region of belarus. the quiz consists of several rounds and includes questions on the main milestones of military history. my colleagues will have more information at 15:00 on our broadcast. all the best. on the air of a weekly socio-political talk show, today we are essentially talking about a not very pleasant and not very popular topic, fortunately in our country, we will talk about corruption. as always, we have competent experts in the studio, this broadcast is hosted by kirill kazakov and alen. damp, but as always you

can become a participant in our program, there is a qr code here at the bottom of the screen, please point your smartphone screen at it, go to the youtube broadcast, write down the questions that concern you, share your opinions, well, in the right corner there is a link to our telegram channel, where you can find out a little more. let's start a difficult conversation. good evening, let's go to the studio. we have a lot of people in uniform, we can say that we are actually fighting corruption quite successfully, although, as we actually said with alena before the broadcast, we really should either lead corruption necessary, or to win, and both are impossible, because after all, it is based on human weaknesses, and people sometimes make big mistakes, thank god that after all, our country has established certain rules by which we have to exist, let’s say it's not fair. into the hands of officials, and

in general, of course, to filter so that these officials, strictly speaking, do not get into power, because you look at the same ukraine, yes, where corruption becomes almost synonymous with power or survival, or europe who is racing the fact that she is included in some lists where purity and, of course, exceptionally honest conclusion of contracts, you read about the same ursula, how she concluded contracts with fizer, you understand that well...

the first category is the so-called western countries, developed countries, where corruption is somewhere around 10-12%, countries in transition are closer to 15-16% and more than 30%, these are the defining countries. belarus, according to our national statistics, corruption, or rather the shadow economy, which is the equivalent of, perhaps, falling income is determined at the level of 10-12%. although our opponents rate it several times higher, so we are speaking clearly .

well, it would be stupid to say that this has a positive effect on the overall image of the authorities, but nevertheless, it is impossible to be insured against the fact that such people will borrow money all the time. some positions, anatoly maryanovich, how is it even possible, well, to raise a non-corrupt manager, and is it possible to do this somehow, and georgy vasirivich, you know, he gave such a percentage, i have this in soviet times there was such a story of crockery breaking during translation, but there is such a gap, here is a percentage that seems to be built in in any case, but there is such an error, so we also live with this error, or we can somehow reduce it, we must admit justice, that starting from 2015... the academic discipline of anti-corruption has become a mandatory academic discipline for all institutions of higher education, this is gratifying, because in the anti-corruption mechanism, anti-corruption education and anti-corruption education still play significant role. over the years of teaching this discipline, i have come across a fairly

wide audience and those who undergo retraining and advanced training are not like a manager who also holds responsible positions, these are students.

here is the investigation of those cases, because you know , we have the police, there is the prosecutor’s office, there is a department of financial investigations, there is an investigative committee, everyone is investigating corruption cases, or let’s say , the police are initiating an investigation is investigating, well, just a very important point, excuse me for interrupting, this does not mean that semenyanik is an eyeless child, we have a coordinator, this is the prosecutor general’s office, which is, but not only supervisory, they are the head in general in this area, so it’s simple. yes, voice the loudest and here is your specificity in this fight? the most high-profile criminal case over the past year, if we even take the current year, is the detention of one of the managers of a capital enterprise for accepting a bribe in the amount of 200,000 rubles. this is the construction sector, road

the sphere is very complex, i won’t naturally go into details, operational development, but what i would like to say is that , unfortunately, this is how it is already mine. colleagues , they put it, managers of a fairly serious rank, who have more than one hundred people subordinate to them, who really look at him as an example, an example of what one should strive for in terms of a career, and so on, they allow themselves not just in this case receive the bribe i'm talking about, but also come up with schemes on how to get it in such a way as to stay with impunity, without involving a single intermediary. what kind of bribe was he caught with? 200.000?

unfortunately, there is a queue of people who want to get them by dishonest means, both businessmen, naturally, on the one hand, and officials, representatives of government agencies, on the other hand. well, in general, we also reasoned this way before the program, that when you read in some reports stories about how this or that official was detained there for a bribe, for example, there in the same russian federation, it happened recently, well, yes, deputy minister defense, detention, yes, you understand that we are simply talking about some unrealistic amounts, 2000 compared to russian detention is not so much, in fact, it is a lot of money, but, but at the same time, at the same time . when belarusian officials are detained there, we often hear that these are some, well, quite small amounts, i say that there is probably even some kind of, you know, psychological moment in this, because when you hear that a person i committed a crime there for the sake of, relatively speaking, one and a half thousand dollars, so

he just crossed out his entire life just like that, then this raises, to put it mildly, bewildering doubts in his entire psychological state. i just wanted to add a little that in this case i am not just speaking as an expert, this is how life has turned out, whether it is corruption or economic security. is the area of ​​my scientific interests, this is the topic of my dissertation, and moreover, at my previous place of work, when i was in charge of the institute of personnel industry, it was the prevention of the corruption component in the system of the ministry of industry that was included in the scope my competence, so well, it was so straightforward, so that they don’t think of something of everything, so to speak, little by little, but the fact is that the amount announced is 2000, probably for the sake of fairness it should be said that there are also applicants where the amount reached a million dollars, this is of course...

here here, so igor, please tell me, here are the statistics, we are talking about the fact that, in principle, we have

a punishment system and a control system, here are some statistics that our or it remains in the same place in terms of the number of crimes from year to year number of corruption crimes? of course, we keep such statistics, we carry out the corresponding analysis on this statistics, yes there are statistics and... this is read, that is, criminal cases went through the courts, and people were convicted, about

1200 corruption crimes, and in 2023 there was a certain increase in such crimes by 16%. 1253 of them were registered, so if you are conducting an analysis, what is the reason for this? i will also note, in order to confirm this figure, of course, the more corruption is taken into account, the more corrupt individuals are certainly identified every year. somewhere around 750-800 officials who committed a corruption crime. in 2023 , there was a certain increase, there were 923 of them. reflecting on the statistics, we can say that this figure is, of course, connected, and we are talking about this, that it is connected with the effective work of the law enforcement unit. that is,

the better we believe law enforcement officers work, the more they identify these corrupt practices. the more, as they say, statistically, well, that’s how you did better to organize your work, you have found the key to these schemes, i will say that if you suddenly start investigating branches, branches, branches, you find more, yes, new elements of the crime are revealed, again some new episodes are revealed during the investigation of the criminal case, i will note, that last year the investigative units initiated about 3,165 criminal cases. at the same time, the main category, i will say frankly, is probably 40 percent, this is theft through abuse of official power, every third a crime is a crime associated with receiving a bribe, here it was noted about receiving a bribe, there is about a million dollars, there is 2000 rubles, i will say that the world does not stand still, the form of receiving bribes

is changing, the subject of receipts are different there, cryptocurrency, here what i wanted to say, again. i will say that the central committee is currently investigating a criminal case, it is connected precisely with receiving a bribe in the form of cryptocurrency, and let’s say, for four years, the person, again, who received these funds 160 episodes, the total amount is 600,000 rubles, that is, in principle , an impressive amount, probably, and i will say that this form is changing, that is, people understand that, let’s say, they think that in some form the object will be taken.

relatively speaking, why aren’t they even considered criminals by the people, well, it’s like you were forced, you have to solve the problem, you brought it there, about 200 dollars, about 2000, this is the story, characterize these people, what kind of people are they, do they bear punishment, of course they bear responsibility, of course, criminal liability, we have an article for giving a bribe, mediation

of bribery, and it should be noted that such persons have a note to...

so that oh, well, listen, well, the one who gives is not guilty, you know , you touched on this topic correctly, and in my practice there was a case where, let’s say, a representative of a commercial structure, on the contrary, he came, let’s say, provoked the person so much that to congratulate someone on the holiday, he brought - well, just for show there's whiskey in there, in an envelope i was depositing money, the man was weak-willed, it’s as if they drove up to congratulate him on the new year with a gift, listen, well...

he’s actually looking at this guy, we have to work like that too. evgeniy fetrovich, look, very often, even 15 years ago , corrupt officials recorded

representatives of the ministry of education and the ministry of health. now we have learned, yes, that, for example, they are afraid to put flowers on an exam, or to put a box of chocolates there, this is the story, it continues in the sphere of corruption, or indeed, our teachers are doctors, these chocolates, there are 20 dollars for an appointment, this is how we do it. that people in general , society in recent years have become more conscious and act as legally as possible in terms of reporting, well, in this case i will talk about my service, about the minsk police, consciously act about reporting such facts to us, that is, if information is received in part of receiving bribes. for, say, passing exams, for conducting them, this is regarded as gratitude, you know, by many, well, just think, once there, there 20 all dollars, well, this is a lack of understanding of

what a person is doing, of course, this is a lack of legal, let’s say, preparedness, but at the same time, we see a trend towards a decrease in such facts, that is , people in general already understand that the situation is changing, in my opinion, including in this case with regard to these crimes. due to operational prevention carried out by all law enforcement agencies, well in this case by us, that is, when we see such a situation or suspect the existence of such a situation without fail we travel and perform in relevant healthcare, educational and other institutions. i would like to note that over the past year, my department sent relevant letters with minimal risks, about which...

materials based on the relevant norms of the law on operational and exploration activities and we act exclusively within the framework of this law, of course, we have the right and compliance with certain resolutions of the savmin to give consent to such materials so

that the head of the relevant he knew the enterprise, he saw it, he understood what was happening at his enterprise, so why, so that he understands what is happening at his enterprise, take and detain a person, from the point of view of the prosecutor’s office, how is it? if this ruble was received for the performance by an official of his official duties , 20 rubles in the record book - this is already a bribe, correctly , this should be considered a crime , a crime, but when you are talking about... these insignificant facts, yes they exist, maybe there is one, but when we we see that this is a system when he takes a lot of these one ruble, then here...

corrupt officials can be not only people who are responsible for public money, yes, because if there is a private owner who provokes, he is also included in this corruption scheme, because as they say, well, if our business was all private, there would be no state budget, what kind of corrupt officials were there, i say, once again we’ll just go back to the story of ursulady, who divided the money there, is that so or no, here you go just so that people understand, you know, corruption, regardless of form, exists in the private sector of the economy, in the public

sector of the economy, pay attention:

in africa, where are the levels of corruption, the same fadf or there grek, yes, they estimate it at 60% of gdp, that is in principle, our level is normal at the average european level, but it does not suit us as a socially oriented state and as a leader who is the embodiment of these values, yes, that is, it is corruption, well, it is evil, that’s for sure. this is essentially what we're talking about corruption, well, some time ago, since we like to compare ourselves there, especially in a more favorable light, of course, always show ourselves, when it came to receiving bribes there, many who came from ukraine, there from russia, they said, oh well, your traffic cops don’t take bribes, but they completely eradicated this story, and this is

actually already there. for imitation, when in fact everyone there knows that we can negotiate with our state traffic inspectors on the spot with customs officers and border guards with what the story is when you try to come to an agreement at the border.

but still, if such a story happens, where? you know, we have built a system to combat corruption, basically at all levels, here.

of course, there are other law enforcement agencies that can react to these facts, in short, go to any law enforcement agencies, contact them, but the simple logic, as i understand the question, is that if a police officer, yes, then go to the police, well, man, i think so , implies whether it is useless to state or not, no, of course not, it's not is useless, and my colleague correctly said, in our system of internal affairs bodies there is an internal security service, which really... such facts, if they exist, are carefully analyzed and rechecked, therefore in all cases identical, similar, other, but at the same time , such cases will definitely be subject to a full check, and there is no need to be afraid of this, we need to contact you, alena, i would like

to say very significantly, i would like to say, colleagues, i apologize, i’ll add, excuse me, there is a very significant factor, look, there is no full name, company, address, so sometimes people are afraid.

obvious signs of a crime, they can be, then with regard to anonymous appeals, if there are no , let’s say, blame less thoroughly,

as it were, that is, when a person already writes, declares and is ready to come give an explanation, it is, of course, colleagues, while discussing this topic, i i also wanted one more fundamental question, he said, there is such a thing as latency, this is a hidden crime, namely economic security. heroes, the country should know them by sight last names, first names, that’s what you think, when we talk about such high-profile cases of corruption, well-known, quite high-ranking officials, is it worth talking about it, well, from an ideological point of view, from a political point of view, the head of state. has repeatedly stated that no

matter what heavy shoulder straps someone has on their shoulders, there have already been facts about such persons, or some kind of serious position, whether someone in business today works closely with the state and generally has contracts, if there is a corruption component, the decision will be tough, why? let me explain: today we face a most difficult external challenge, the integrity, security and sovereignty of belarus is under threat. we saw that corruption brought yanukovych to the revolution, and subsequently led the country to war. at one time, one of the main complaints against the authorities in ukraine was that the horrifying growth rate of corruption crimes, no one was fighting them, it got to the point that an acquaintance of mine was building a plant in ukraine, they came to him for negotiations in one region, in one car, the regional prosecutor and the main authority, they asked who will you negotiate with?

responsibility, but in any case , it seems to me that the same state control is there, when it conducts some kind of inspections, well, not everyone is put under the same brush, essentially they understand this to understand everything, the most important thing to say here again is management decisions

of course, they are complex, but if at the same time he does not extort bribes, yes bribes, if they do not give him any economic interest and this is not his friend, not his brother. look, he was, for example, under surveillance or his actions were monitored for several years until the moment when he took a bribe, so he took a bribe of a thousand dollars, suppose, yes, and he was detained for this and will be tried,

these 2 years, why was he allowed to do this, again, maybe an incompetent question, but well really, when he did it... the first time it was impossible to stop him, why? you know, often the goals of operational development, i will use this word, at the stage of just starting or at the stage of recording the receipt of thousands of dollars, are much grander, much more serious than this 100 dollars. over time , law enforcement officers will return to the qualifications of this thousand dollars, but i am convinced that if... put into practice, here is your example, yes, this task was to document either other facts of systemic business corruption, for example, or to document more others, a different circle of officials, take a broader view, see who else may be involved in this particular criminal scheme, but yes, i understand what you

are talking about, that is, the goal seems to be much more global and ultimately may be much more has been revealed, but we, like these... workers of the ideological front, understand that, relatively speaking, during these 2 years, no matter how much he took, firstly, no matter how much he took, and secondly, and here such a moment that especially when it comes to the heads of top enterprises, about top officials, over a long period of time they could change more than one position, they could be appointed to these positions, well, including the head of state, that’s also casts its shadow, in fact, well, it’s like each of these corrupt officials is stupidly setting it up. you see, the state is a very complex mechanism, remember, in no country in the world can anyone ever do anything; law enforcement agencies cannot do anything at all in relation to a number of individuals without a political decision. this is in any country in the world, calm down, let's tell the truth, we are playing chess, the question is that our task with you

is to counteract corruption as effectively as possible, evolutionarily, again, without revolution, let's arrange the seventeenth year with you, a new person has arrived delivered to kazakhstan when the kazakh republic was being formed, we need a little october, several million people died, they were dispossessed, collectivization and so on, the same thing, let’s organize a little october, somewhere someone will end up under a kotka, so we still relate. in this regard, work is being done, you just need to realize that today is a time when for such crimes, even by, let’s be

honest, ukrainian and russian standards, a bribe of 2000 rubles makes them smile, their pens are more expensive, you know, but for such crimes will be very severe responsibility, vladimir viktorovich, here we are again talking, i’m trying to give an example, here is a person who, relatively speaking, i’ll go back to the same thing, has been taking bribes for 2 years, operational development is simply being carried out behind him. again, people ask: okay, so he took 1.00 dollars, in the end he was detained, a criminal case was opened, he was taken to court, but everything would probably be confiscated from him, right? well, i ’ll say this: well, firstly, i’ll note that the work of law enforcement agencies is scrupulous work, no need to say mixed with something there, that it is very easy to do, it is not easy, in order to identify the crime it was correctly noted that this is a latent, this is a hidden crime, and in order to identify it it is necessary to do a tremendous amount of work for the initial stage for... the phenomenon, our but, let’s say, the work of the investigative committee is to consolidate the evidence that was obtained during operational investigative activities, to obtain

new qualifications for the department, which is what we do, we identify new episodes, which they say, over the course of two years a person takes zryadki, we understand that he is engaged in this work, as an investigator we find out all these points scrupulously, we also find out during the investigation, all these facts are documented, why i will also draw attention to the fact that not always crimes that are committed to... let's say, corrupt officials, can be publicly voiced, because the evidence that is being collected is, let's say, let me draw your attention once again, this is meticulous work that needs to be consolidated, the testimony of the same accused that i took a bribe without being combined with another qualities in the case, in principle, these are simple words that a person said and refused, therefore it is necessary that the investigative bodies, the internal affairs bodies carry out their work, again consolidate this evidence taking into account his testimony, i will immediately note that these are always crimes that here... these corrupt officials do not commit, let's call them that, and let's call them by their own names, that in relation to those persons a preventive measure is always chosen in

the form of detention, this is one of such effective measures, in addition to how you they correctly noted from the beginning that the property that directly belongs to him, close relatives, is all seized on this property, the court decides the fate of this material property when to consider the case in court, and i’ll be honest, the sanction is very severe. in addition to the fact that the punishment is imprisonment, there is also a fine, but i will immediately say that for a crime against the interests of the service, the minimum fine is 300 basic to 5,000 basic units, that is we understand 12,000 rubles. yeah, a person will need to, again, turn back the state’s income by court decision, that is, this is a very serious punishment, our, let’s call it, pseudo-corrupt officials who understand that taking bribes, they think that for them it will be for some time good, not good.

this means there is another very important point here, that corrupt officials who received a real sentence are not subject to parole, that is , parole is the second factor - this is when we carried out preventive measures, we have managers, directors, general directors, we brought them even to places not so remote, so that they could see the conditions in which their colleagues were kept, that is, i would say that the hope is that you, such a white fluffy one, will work. how about you, well, the first, the first term is this: let me now i can take a lot, i’ll serve it, i’ll get out, i’ll use this money, first, second, if i’m still a coal ear, well, you can’t, well, look, i took it from us, i’ll pay myself off, in the end, well,

somehow, here are these two. one or the other is impossible, moreover, these consequences i’ll serve you, but you have to understand that you’ll serve time , so to speak, then you’ll enjoy these benefits, you’ll walk around all the time, well , look around, this is this, this is not the point, this is this, these are the facts that are in ours, in mine, so to speak, accessibility, according to the ministry of industry system, i say the lucky ones who went through this are not there, families are destroyed, the image is destroyed, and the leaders created it for decades,

that, say, such persons, probably, as was correctly noted, we do not have such rich officials who deal with not entirely correct work, namely they take certain or illegal rewards, therefore , the fact that they are transferring some of their illegal income abroad is information, firstly, in order to receive it, you need to send an international order, you know what we now have relations with western countries, that is , we simply cannot get information from them, you know, that there are some accounts, some... again, some money, some money somewhere there is property somewhere outside, therefore, in order for us to know that there is property there, we need to get an answer from them, that there is some property that, in principle, can be converted, what do you think the answer will be, well, i would complement you you are right, indeed, both the greeks and the fatf, after the sanctions were included , belarus and russia stopped cooperation with belarus, but here it’s like a border

crossing, the goods left, went through customs, and then the goods cleared through customs. there is a financial monitoring department in the system of the state control committee, and he clearly controls all withdrawals, especially to europe and these are legal withdrawals, there is also through crypto, that’s right, through offshores, let’s say this has recently appeared, let’s be frank, it’s literally just recently that such a tool has appeared, and offshores, all this too is controlled, and moreover, banks are also in this system, which send a special form for dubious transactions, for

any kind, that is, you can even come to you, you don’t know, but...

yes, well, but such there are illusions, of course. kiril, but the best thing, after all, when the system is working, is to gradually reach a level that minimizes the possibility of corrupt transactions, that is, to transfer as much as possible.

speaking, people, come to your senses.