i ’m not a cowardly person, so to speak, i danced on mines, you managed to erase the years of hard times during the war and your memory, all my canvases, as an artist, dedicated to those events of distant childhood, they are about...

i believe the history of our homeland and state, it allows us today to work on very pressing problems, as the president says, there is no need to get involved in politics, we need to do our work politically, competently and with dignity. hello, the program “tell me not to be silent” is on air, svetlana smolonskaya and victoria popova are in the studio. and today we are visiting artist, painter, head of the studio of military artists nikolai opiok. nikolai afanasyevich, good afternoon. good afternoon. good afternoon, good afternoon. thank you for coming, we are meeting you on the eve of a big holiday, victory day, you, a child of war, were born in...

we all wake up, because the house is next to the house, across the road and so on, and where is dad to goat, have left to mow , well, they left, they left, you know, the older generation came to this terrible event so smartly and tactfully, they stood up, but their fathers were not there, uh-huh, and the day passed, but dad never came, our name was father, sometimes dad. sometimes the father, and sometimes the folder,

you know, everything turned out to be dad, they are not there, and where is mom you ask, let him come, he will come, and he didn’t come until the end of the war, this is a memory, at the most acute moment, this is a meeting of the germans , what are the germans for us children, well, maybe we’ll come, we also played in the war, you know, there are chipaevites and the whites, fighting, of course, and the germans, who are the germans, well, the adults gathered around our house, we had a small tubercle about this diameter, small, somewhere, well 80 centimeters, the whole village came here, mothers and children, and grandfathers, great-grandfathers who came from the first world war, here is my grandfather cedar, he came from the first world war with a rifle, buried the ground somewhere, everyone gathered and we are waiting for where they will come from , ah... sorsha, hot day, hot summer,

we are all standing here, the whole village has gathered, and we are waiting for what we will often do as boys, of course, back and forth, with slingshots. there, yes, dust suddenly appeared, dust, dust, dust, dust, it was like magic, like a magic wand, it was a quiet, quiet evening all the time, warm, warm, dust, it goes up in a column, quietly, it moves this dust, like some kind of magical witch, well, we begin to cuddle up to our grandfathers, grandmothers and mothers and so on, finally they appear with one villages, they are driving straight through our village of makarovka, about 300, well, 150-30, 300 meters away, maybe the khlyustina station, this is a very point that you can’t pass through, you have to drive through, they are coming here, from there they turn

onto this street of ours, so, it was called voroshilovskaya, for some reason they still change it so then, suddenly they... all arrived with accordions, that is, the melody arrived, stopped around our crowd, this bright moment, by the way, i suggested to the bird, sometimes use this situation, which i still see everyone, all these faces, the silent scene, absolutely silent, only those who stand by the world wars, say: don’t move and don’t move your arms, legs, anything, who knows what, uh, the stroller. keptomatic, there are two with an accordion, and this one is driving, what should i do? we are, of course, a dead scene, absolutely quiet, we we come closer to them, they too, they rise up, on accordions, as they play, they play, then from this girlish crowd of ours,

you know that to this day this scene, as i say, it does not pass almost without tears - that means one lady comes out, goncharova, polina, she was maybe 35, all mothers, 5-8 children, 30, 37 years old, like that, you know, she comes out with crazy eyes to the germans, they sit and play, and lift him up and lift him up to the knees, and dances around the first wheelchair user and... there are then seven or eight people, well intelligence, you know, with such a dance, and i’m glad, and i’m glad that i saw the mosquito, all these men, the older generations who went through the war, says: go away, go away, go away, she

went through the circle, with this under this, with the scab , approached them like a top-class actress, she didn’t understand anything, this scene, you know, or this greeting, they thought so, they had a dead scene, and the accordions began to play, it’s a dead scene, it’s actually a movie, something , what he says, listen, do this scene, because i remember, i’ll do the whole face, that harmony, then i approached her grandfather cedar, this is mine,

they came to the house, well, of course, we follow them, mother is with them and all of us children go into the hut with them, well, that’s it, they mean, in german, what is a shlyafan? my sister, not the eldest middle one, says: “mom, they’ll probably go down the road tomorrow, we had the catherine’s way, that same catherine’s way, you know, they’ll probably go down the road tomorrow, they’ll sleep here, you’re a soldier bringing a hump of hay, that’s all here.” we must have understood that just as we were starting to leave

, suddenly a child’s cry was heard, and i’ll tell you, these were frightened germans, where did the sound come from? did our sister was born a week before the start of the war. baby, she is now alive and well, and she was made like they did in the village, so that this stroller would not interfere, this means that as soon as a person was born, he tied her up, which means with a rope, she went away like an escalator to the ceiling, uh-huh, then - once on the latch, that’s it, and the rope is there, let him cry, the germans, i’ll tell you, this scene was amazing, one grabbed the machine gun, this one threw the wall, everything on the ceiling, well, my mother explained to them,

of course, this is my child, i mean, they understood everything in russian, and says: com, put it here, they put it down, and there is such a tiny thing, take it and they kicked us out, and for 4 years we sat first in a dugout, and then in a bathhouse, this continued for all 4 years of the war, until the liberation of the dubrovinsky region. 1944, this is bagration’s largest operation, and its path is strewn, i’ll tell you, with roses and blood. the liberation of only our dubrovensky district, only our dubrovensky district, this is a small area, this is the border of russia, and we immediately cross the smalenshchina, we don’t know the borders, but we went where we needed to. in our there were a thousand people in the dubrovensky district during the war. 642 people, and during the liberation of this small piece of land,

as alexander grigorievich says, it was very small, they died, you know, this must always be remembered, we keep this in memory, 42,000 red soldiers, eight heroes of the soviet union, for the liberation of this small patch, including my village. nikolai afanasyevich, but... we already realized that your wartime childhood predetermined the choice of your future profession as an artist, and you are dedicated to the great patriotic war a large series of works, this includes the hot summer of 1941, the 1941 swim, the meeting of the winners, may 1945, my baptism and other works, it is clear that each picture is dear to you, maybe it’s good, maybe. it’s bad that i won, i won a competition, this position, the position of a studio of military

artists, i’ll tell you, it’s amazing, the competition was announced by the ministry of defense, firstly, i am grateful to those leaders, from the general to, let’s say, the ordinary soldier, when they the idea came to create a studio of military artists, we went with lectures, meetings, went to here, to military exercises, we were invited, because leonid semyonovich maltsov says, if you don’t hear, see military exercises, as you can draw, you can just right off the bat, yeah, you know, this is an amazing, educated person. general, he knew that this was necessary, the same dudarev, your fellow countryman, the playwright

alekseyankom, was sent on a special trip, he has two soloists, a composer, and i, as an artist with slides, where did the idea come from, to create this center of culture on a voluntary basis, theaters, writers, poets, musicians, artists, performers, this is a whole block. had educational significance for the armed forces, because in the army, no matter how i won’t name the percentage, as semyonovich maltsev said, all the guys who have reached a certain age come, there are guys who didn’t even know what an artist was, i brought groups of cadets and officers to including svorov cadets, to the workshop of mikhail andreevich sovitsky, and i say, hold me by the sleeve. in 50 years you will retire, you will remember, that we were familiar with this artist,

we will be familiar with these works, that’s what you say to me, so i went to the screen, of course i need to comment, even the hot summer of forty-one, you know, this is mine, my summer of forty-one, a small picture for, well, let's say, for the listener and viewer, summer, summer for us. the war is going on, the second, the second week, the third, it was around the 4th of july, the germans came to our village, the germans had already arrived. it was around july 10, when through our village, you know, the railway, minsk moscow, berlin-paris, minsk, moscow, they passed through us, you know, we were proud of it, this is the railway, the bombings, we saw these bombs coming off, tearing out everything that was possible, we had a shalon tsysrn, because from

our station, from there was also a branch of this one, a narrow-gauge railway, so on... not that one, why not that one, he was there, the rifle was lying next to him, his shirt was white, of course, like mud, his legs were sore until they bled, he had

crazy eyes, like that... i went up and got some water, i saw him sitting, and it was as if he saw god there in heaven, dead, he withdrew into himself, and i ran in fear and said: mom, you know, there are two soldiers, one is drinking water, and the other is sitting, either dead or not, i don’t know, mom says: bring it to them milk quickly there, and a piece of lard, i depicted lard, and bread, and milk there, then mom came, he came to his senses, sat down, took the rifle, really took it, this is a documentary shot, now they are retreating, well, just like that, he took the rifle, this is how a man pours water on himself, and this is absolutely,

listen, the heat is incredible, this is a steam room. they returned during the operation, i already told you this, now as an adult, as an adult, that they returned as red fighters, to liberate us from our well, everyone lay down with us, when we returned from the refugees, we children were told to run around the ditches, across the field already this is the grass, look for corpses, you know how long, that’s it... yes, i’m with your friend lyonka, we found four corpses in the grass, in a ditch, near the cemetery, two, you were less than 10 years old then, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, there were slightly older people above us, one generally brilliant a man of nature, he found mines, you know,

the dubrovensky district, the dubrovensky district, well, you know, very recent ones, they were blown up in a field, but about 10 years ago, every year, because we had warehouses, mines, here’s our one comrade , well, let's talk, there was a leader of the village, he found it, he says, during the lunch break, let's go dance, where, we went to the kusa, everything was more expensive, listen, he opened this branch, there is such a mountain about...

say no be silent, subscribe, invite guests, ask your questions, we are in touch, on the air again, don’t be silent, our guest is the artist nikolai opiok, nikolai. we remember the events of the twentieth year, you also showed yourself heroically there when you supported the actor gennady ovsyannikov and even came out with work in his support.

it’s already the time of today, childhood for the first time, i look at him, say what happened, and he says, the theater is falling apart, like it’s falling apart, the flag is there, then the second one is removed, our flag, today’s flag, the flag of our republic, i say what you say , fall apart, but rather than go on tour, no, they leave. then pumped up, pumped up, you know, with thunder and lightning, as she says, they leave, they called the minister of culture, they brought in their legs, for

what? but it’s not that they decided to leave, a group of artists from the best theater in the republic, a theater that was in fifth place in the ussr, which it headed. 30 something years, my classmate, my friend and so on, everyone got roles, received titles, but refuse in this case, i say, it’s just me who didn’t come, i would have made a proposal, here’s the title on the table, black glasses download road, i was more outraged than those artists who remained, i, by the way, i called three people, because i painted portraits of two of them, i wrote them, i said: listen, i want to, i saw you

as a hero, i saw you as a citizen of the republic through the theater, you are a talented actor, suddenly you are spoiling my mood, my life you're spoiling it, god bless him, but i mean, i say, you know that i want to make a great... stucco portrait of you, a good idea, the heredity is enormous, beautiful, in general, for a portrait of a person who is not just put together on top, i'm calling one, well, you know, everyone told me to apply, why? well, by the way, i detained two, i pray that i detained them, today you came, you know, like the prodigal son. brant and prayed, dad, help, and dad would say, my dear man, where were you anyway, like the son of a rebrant, go

there and do the right thing, i’m amazed that syannikov is still so courageous, he’s a humorous person , due to humor, he removes this hatred and anger, he has no hatred for anyone, but how was he defiled? in the press, the world press, they read, they didn’t read, but everyone read that you are a traitor, you are crazy, listen as much as possible name, then who names, well, i personally already know them all, there should have been an offer to leave even before this departure, yeah, but it was not the director, the minister of culture, he himself headed it. link, uh-huh, you know, i escaped at night in a car, as i call it, who, where they took me, i’m just with great indignation, i

say, gena, let’s do this, i’m finishing your partnet, albeit in the wrong spirit, these rats are from here, and we drank tea like that, and we said, maybe somehow it’s not... yes, i say, i did it myself in anger, and then i took them away, from me there is one portrait like this, the one that i, so to speak, exhibited, i removed, it’s not, you know, that such an impulse, minute, minute, of course, to perpetuate them, i think it’s unnecessary, it was my personal attitude towards that group, well, since i have an honored artist at home, like...

in the forest, you know, that character, like my father’s, is such a character that no, that i will leave the theater, i will leave my homeland, you know, such patriotism with blood or milk to mother, in a partisan detachment, let's tell our viewers who you are talking about, you are talking about to his wife, tamara, she was actually born in 1943 in a partisan detachment .

i don’t even mention your last name, but you can know, one people’s artist, i say, my darling, you played pan bakovsky a thousand times, a thousand times, i painted your portrait at the thousandth performance, not so that i painted a portrait there, i i didn’t write you, i wrote him, he played the character uniquely. unique, where are you lathering up? well, he thought for a long time, thought for a long time, i must admit, i won, yes, yes, yes, but he didn’t leave, but now he’s all the theater doesn’t serve anyway, you know, i think that these are the people who left, i’m absolutely not a doctor, not a psychologist, but just a little bit of a psychologist, they can’t go to bed without blinking. the thought

will not leave them alone, but what about there? well, i’ll call, you understand that this is their homeland, here they received all the titles and titles, but why do creative people so easily succumb to this negative influence, you can’t blame them, you know, culture, the whole culture, well, let’s not sell greece, rome , first of all, she always, by the way, took out lenin’s quote, i didn’t i will quote it, was it there, i didn’t see it either, i have an essay, i didn’t find this quote, but those who pumped up and are pumping up today, and will continue to pump up for a long time, as long as they exist, found a good quote, covered up to vladimirovich lenin, that if you... are not in tune with the authorities, that

is, you are friends, you are bad, in culture, in art, you have to conflict with the authorities, i can’t say where they found this quote, but it penetrates, especially in that period, when we had, you know perfectly well, the nineties, when we excavated...

that 20th year won, yes, this group of people, who they are, and even then it is unlikely that they would have triumphed, they probably wouldn’t have brought honey to the bees, earn it yourself, now we know what they are told there, how much they can feed you , where is the revolution in belarus, where? no, she swings through art, art. let's return to this question to yours, this is a very important, problematic issue, very problematic, by the way, a little missed, today may be when there was a people's assembly, i was a delegate to this assembly, i know that with i was present with delight, this is an intermediate link where all segments of the population, all cultural institutions can, i

know why? over the past 2-3 years, no one, frankly speaking, no one from ideological structures, not even me, the head of the court of military artists, i ask you to meet with us. people who are responsible for ideology, i ask, lenin went himself, came to the factory, and here, you know, here i am making one canvas, it is 100% from the twentieth year, should it be reflected either in painting, no, in fine art art is in its twentieth year you think, yes, yes, in literature. it is necessary, it is necessary, it is necessary in cinema, and many people do it, in general, by and large, if so by and large, culture should be at the forefront, in this matter, at the forefront,

i had a proposal from the chairman of the confederation of creative unions, who has been for 20 years heads this amazing, cultural, well, let's say, ministry. i asked him 3 years ago, four: listen, let’s gather the confederation of creative unions, and let’s make an appeal to our former friends, neighbors, listen, metaran, you’re ours, from our gays, let's see or listen to what your, you know, cultural program says that you are demolishing monuments, and you demolished our lesha. thank god, they didn’t get to the point in berlin to demolish the monument to the soldier, the liberator, by the way, nikolaeva wonderfully read this poem at the opening of the exhibition in the court

of military artists, powerful, so what? well, your proposal then remained, it was not supported, it remained with the sculpture, we need to work, it was lenin who told lunacharsky who was working, so this is... the link that intermediate between the state and between the people, this meeting, i think it’s an amazing action, well, in our state, where we are, i say even in our union, there’s no need to write letters and go to the very top, but there’s work there how much, come on here, nikolaitovich, your studio of military artists could organize an exhibition, it’s been there for the twentieth year, respond on your own? i, so to speak, am not a cowardly person, i danced on mines, i have this slogan, can i say it, culture art is second the wing of state ideology, then

a powerful one, a wing like the first, these two wings, it holds this bird, it must get away from the enemy with the help of these wings, must it peck someone? i need to bite, yeah, maybe i’m wrong, well, no, this is in my opinion, well, it’s a good formula, you need to work in your place, that’s right, what the president is talking about, you don’t need to get involved in politics, you need to do your job politically competently and with dignity, i agree with you, let’s also look through your portrait gallery, which is in your creative piggy bank, you have the song vladimirin, director.

you know that we are all hospitable, and he is such a friendly, magnificent, good, young, handsome guy, what are we talking about, the cosmos dreams of him, and that’s why he flies, he will fly there again, yeah, of course, i have deepchikhs, here’s one , second, third, when i had a personal exhibition at our embassy, ​​i ’ll tell you that klemuks and forgings, they were present, there was a large, serious forum and space problems, tata-ta, and i did there... an exhibition of klemuks kovalyonok were naturally present, now i have third, i even wanted to, when alexander grigorievich went to the cosmodrome, went to training, i know that since he is taking care of

these two beautiful, charming girls there, one of them will definitely fly, i think, okay, i won’t take this portrait in advance , when he returns, but when the rocket suddenly stopped, it did not take off because of the matches. there was no setting fire, which means the day didn’t take off, which means, you know, i was more worried, probably like them, we were all more worried than them, yes. of course, i followed, i took photographs, what is possible, and i think that for the next exhibition, i didn’t want to insert myself here, because our artists make portraits, they’ve already done them, they should already be exhibited, well, i don’t just want to do it, i want to decide, you know, the first woman from belarus and in general, the first one is ours, it’s not easy. there should be a portrait,

i sat down, i could have done it, now she was in us, this presence of the people, she is charming, beautiful, you can make candy from her, but the candy did not fly into space, a courageous, strong woman flew, and to to be in space, and i want her to come out of the rocket, that’s what i want. so for her to fly like, you know, a woman from belarus, something needs to be hinted at belarus, as it was, she walked, yes, she flew, so, you know, this is very important, i’ll tell you, even klemuk, forged, why i’m in their hands, they didn’t go down together, each went down differently, but they are the sons of ours, our land, i combined them into a double portrait, klimuki, felt boots, one with a towel, yeah, i know that

yes, he has there was a towel, well, a tiny one, but a towel, he hangs grams there, the second one with cornflowers, listen, this is technical progress, oleg, he worked with these devices that are needed, and where we fly and test something, she is with test tubes, she didn’t just fly like that, look, she performed the operations that are needed laboratories on earth, academies, so i have to make tripchich, i just want the guts, your space tripchich, yes, good name, good name, space telegram, honestly, while we take a break for a while, remind you, we have a telegram channel, tell me don't be silent, subscribe, ask questions and suggest guests, we are in touch, the

“say don’t be silent” program is on air again, our guest is the honored artist of the republic of belarus, winner of the presidential prize, holder of the order of francis skoryna, nikolai opiok. nikolai afanasyevich, in our studio you see pictures drawn by artificial intelligence, do you believe that they are real? artificial intelligence is progress, progress, we will say, both thoughts and technical progress, but progress in art will not give understanding to the human soul, but it can decorate, it can do wonders that human. the brain may not even think of this, because a person and

the structure of a person are formed by the same despair that nature and the previous generation laid for him, to reach artificial intelligence today after that, let’s say painting, which caresses the soul not only, let’s say, , where basically this... the form of this art, both in russia and belarus and throughout the soviet post-soviet space, we had a school of a school of classical realistic direction art, hundreds of hundreds of generations grew up in this school, today that school of classical fine art, the so -called classical realism, is in demand all over the world. i’ll give you an example, i had an invitation from germany from

three museums to exhibit there, what i answered them there, tell me, am i in the form of picasso or in the form of the one i work with, i have works like this, well, all the artists want to try , and you know, all three museums, starting from hanover and ending with two more, i received... “no, only in the manner that we saw your work." well, yes, it was later after an excessive passion for the avant-garde, a return to realism. of course, artificial intelligence will not paint, probably not, it will do everything, paintings, portraits, and group portraits, everything will be, as it should be for artificial intelligence, exactly the same, and moles, braids, everything will be, and eyelashes, but it will sit in front of us, you know, iron, wooden,

charming, but there is no one to communicate with, there is no one to even communicate with in silence , today's form of fine art is from man. i will give you a small example, we had a moment in the union of artists, when a person was the post-secretary of the union of artists, and he invited from germany to be the curator of our republican exhibition, i say, why? so, that curator, i met, so he tried to do this, to do it so that it would just be different from what it was... you, so that there is no smell of realism, they made an exhibition, so what, it smells different, so you don’t have to go there , but they are curators from germany, famous, pursuing goals, i just wanted to ask you about patriotism on the eve of the big

holiday, what it is, we talked about culture, art, how people buy art, i’ll give you a small example from...

before that, these curators walked through our galleries, but they walked through with noise, you know, how amazing, right, we are now ideologists and state politicians, i’ll tell you, amazingly, they feel, feel the foreign political structure, it is built on cunning, on deception, on meanness, but only for their own purposes, what they did, they made a noise in our country, you know, two they buy germans, they go to the workshops, buy, what is the result in the whole world, ours rushed and suggested, make an exhibition of your art of today with us, it is very fashionable, this is fashionable, realism and futurism, everything is fashionable, ours

rushed, that they bought from us, and they bought from us, of course, they bought several works of our art, but they bought one, so maybe i’m so past the lights and waters, i caught the idea in this, and i think there’s such a small meanness here, a beast and so on, we did there is an exhibition there, they brought realism there, like they made us, a bunch of them, beautiful landscapes, parsets, letters there, everything for it. and of course those people who work, well, let’s say on the road chagall, chagall is a brilliant work, by the way, but there is a little bit of modern, modern too, they exhibited a man there for a month, they go every day, they bought only one

classic work there, people caught the idea , what needs to be done there, they immediately said to our realism, when i plant a chicken on a tree, it lays an egg there on a bare tree, a birch tree, you can see a chicken somewhere, but you have to buy it, in order to turn us off our rut, yeah, they will fall for it, that is, they work for a long time, simply destroying the school, so to speak, of realism, naturally,

the generation, i believe that we should look at this event of today in the world around us us through different eyes, even the fact that

i did this hot summer of the forty-first year, i didn’t do a shtak taka, and yet for hundreds of moments we only had bayonet to bayonet, but i wanted the person to think about it, he would come back here again to this well. or not, it’s necessary now, i think so, bias to do rimbrandt’s psychology, the prodigal son, he doesn’t do anything, he just put his hand on his back, and how many thoughts are there, this thought, it disappeared from the canvas, there is an advertisement, he took someone by the chest with an arm, a leg, a head, then, hit him in the face in... that's it, today there is not enough of this warmth and thought, you said correctly, the thought

has disappeared from the canvas, unfortunately, this question of yours should be raised on the shield by all creative organizations, because time such, so i’ll return again to this meeting that i was at, it somehow had an effect on me strongest. the impression that we are heard and that we say, there is no need at the top, there is no need at the top, i believe the history of our homeland and state, it allows us today to work on very pressing problems, even on these problems that were in the twentieth year, this is the year , which gives us the whole art culture to think about it, to hold certain forums. the meeting will appeal to people like us in europe, why am i in europe, we had good contacts,

musical, literary, artistic, exhibition venues, why are we silent, we there is no confederation that should work with the environment, because they will work with a machine gun here, i think so, we need to not be silent, our monuments have been destroyed, our monuments have been crumbling for 3 years...

they are basically degrading. today everything is diplomacy, when a diplomat, whose mandatory function is to build bridges, to maintain this thread of communication between two conflicting countries, today these diplomats, on the contrary , incite war, they are the main hawks, the same goes for their politics, their economy, then the west is now what a disaster if you are not lost, if you know who your

opponent is, then you are moving in the direction... to victory, we want this makevialist approach, according to which the end justifies the means, we are not able to destroy everyone, we deny collective responsibility, we are not ready to go to lies, meanness, cooperation with the devil and the devil just to win, so our path is long, but this is a conscious choice, markov’s project is nothing personal, watch on the belarus tv channel, 24 only for our viewers, we choose the best routes, we also decided not look at overseas countries and arrived in the belarusian city, in which alexander vasilyevich suvorov seriously planned to stay for a long time, and set off on an exciting journey. many centuries ago, the lower castle and posad were located here, and then the town hall rose, where

the city magistrate was located, so the kobrin princes and... not so long ago, by the way, a local resident caught a plastic fish blende weighing 41 kg on a wobbler, that is, a plastic fish blende. and 2 m long. to show how unusual and wonderful our country is. in america houses afloat are called the fashionable word houseboard, house ship, but they have not yet come up with a term for floating stations. landscapes... watch the program cities of belarus on tv channel belarus 24.

good evening, live panorama, in the studio ekaterina tikhomirova and let's sum up this monday: symbols of the extension of all belarusians of the past, present and future on earth in space: coat of arms, flag and hymn. they will tell you what they mean to our people.