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i'm like a granny on a bench, just commenting events, what is happening in the world today, of course, this is cool, how cool, guys, they’re all so cool, i can’t do that, people first publicly announce sanctions, and they publicly sit down at the table and say, so what, how every time before that they promised the end of the world, he doesn’t...

protect his interests very much, this is firstly, very cool, my bet is like this. hello, you are watching the program “say don’t be silent”, and today with you are victoria popova and tatyana shcherbina. we are in moscow again. blogger,

artemy lebedev, hello artemy, traveler, designer, entrepreneur, good afternoon, good afternoon, we are glad to welcome you, the famous russian poet, afanasy fet could not pass by moscow state university indifferently, he constantly asked kucher to stop so that he could get out of the carriage and spit in the direction of this building, he opened the window in the carriage with his handle , the window rolled down and coughed towards the building. is there any building in moscow that you would like to spit in? i’m doing the opposite process, i’m trying to make it so that people in moscow don’t give a damn, and i’m making every effort to do this. i would like to discuss with tyoma such a topic as the shell of invulnerability. we have been following you for a very long time, since the era of live magazine, and many of the venues where you performed, they either died themselves, or the people who were stars there died, emigrated, or went crazy, well... in general , you always remain

as good as new, the focus on the blogging marathon was in you right away, or did you then realize that you have to live long, we see that there are certain... cycles for everything, even mountains appear and disappear if long enough wait, but what can we say about all sorts of technologies, platforms and so on, where sometimes at first the same zhzhe lived for about 15 years, so for quite a long time, then he began to go to one, and his management simply did not understand what to do, they didn’t understand, didn’t get their bearings, or lost interest, or maybe they themselves had already switched to other platforms, in general, when i drowned, i had to jump from there, like from the last melting piece of ice, to... some next iceberg, which turned out to be youtube and before that i was a calm text blogger, this a completely different life, it is incomparable to the life of a video blogger, it is completely different, that is, the tv of course does its job, so i apparently avoided it all my life, but when the text sank, i had

to continue something, i decided that it was still too my connection with my readers, even if they are now called viewers, let it remain, it is valuable and dear to me, if people subscribe to me, then like... some things that i say resonate with them, then this is for them interesting, but i'm interested in there should be connections between them, that’s why i switched over, and i’m just not afraid of changes, it turned out that life is very unstable and turbulent, and in general, even if you look at the entire history of our earth, then from the moment of the birth of some kind of trelabites before us there was something for the earth to do, but we appeared there at the very, very end, we are not on this diagram at all, so these changes that happened even before our appearance, we must be prepared... for what will happen next everything will change in exactly the same way, so you just need accept changes in everything, in technology, in relationships with people, in the geopolitical situation, in the climate, i have this metaphor, yeah, with a car tire, if there is a car in a museum, it has tires,

if it just sits for 50 years, these tires turn, they turn to stone, and then you hit them with your finger, they just crumble like dust, and if these tires are used, if you ride on them, the rubber would wrinkle every day, then they can ride for 100 years, that’s a comparison with the fact that if you don’t take too much care of yourself or your body or your psyche, and apply it, use it, trample it like a persian carpet tramples in a hole, because then, if you trample it, you can trample it for a thousand years, if you hang it on the wall, it will rot in 10 years, it will simply crumble, you have to whether to force myself to work, it seems to me that this is blogging for me - it is also interesting, endless, always possible.

i see this and i’m waiting for the adults to come and disperse, disperse this rampant kindergarten, where the children have taken over the director’s office, pressing the meaning buttons, who are not understood, that’s all, it will certainly come back, because the world until recently was a place for adults, adults made decisions, and children ate at the children’s table and went to bed at 90, now everything is a little upside down, again such a period, so humanity wants to test its strength, like, what if this is true? we all the time do some kind of stress tests, different situations, use scenarios, well now they’ve allowed it, i call them not clowns, but children, but now they’ve allowed children to play around, in russia, in belarus, polo bookstores are disappearing novels, in particular, sorokin is no longer there, in russia okunin is banned there, you had

something to do with the development of his website, in my opinion , too, these are the methods of fighting what with whom, are they effective in your opinion, are they? effective in their own way, that is, on the one hand, we are in the middle of a process about which for the last 30 years we have only read, we read that this was the case 100 years ago, and we thought so, but how did people get to the point where suddenly they there some person was canceled or some author suddenly stopped publishing or someone’s photograph is erased , only other people remain there, this one, like a book, there are disappearing commissars, who were written by an american about soviet journalism, where they removed unwanted characters and we... yes , we read this book and thought, wow , we have such a story, in general, how we grew up like this in such a country, and then bam, and exactly the same thing happens in america, that is, they kept saying, gg, it’s like this with you, you’re erasing people, they immediately started one after another, just without trial, like unfortunate kevin spacey there, they just re-shot the series there, they killed trump and turned it off,

this is the thunder trump was kicked out of facebook, yes too, that is, we see how these processes are happening, it is obvious that our lives are simply too short for us to have such a long memory, but what we read in history books... we don’t always apply to today, although in fact the historical cycle is not long at all, only 100 years or maybe 50 somewhere, that’s just all time repeats itself, all the time someone cancels someone, because only one wins a party with one opinion, it wants to silence its opponents... because, well, if you silence everyone individually, it’s too expensive and unprofitable, impossible, you’ll get tired, so it’s easier to show one to punish so that the rest understand the idea, that’s what it’s like, that’s the model management is working, we are in this process, some are effective, your answer, they have their own problems, they also believe that someone doesn’t love them, we believe that someone doesn’t love us, well, that’s how life goes on , therefore globally this process is always what happened will always happen, and even the brightest, most progressive people, the most democratic ones, are for freedom. the word and human rights, in fact, they are still exactly the same, the same holy inquisition,

they will also be happy to burn witches at the stake, the question is who they will appoint as these witches, these are these two worlds, yes, a world in which love us, and a world in which we don't love someone, they can somehow find a common language and love each other, or it's called business, and it always exists, and they always love each other, and it's always it will always be only for money, there is nothing wrong with that. this is a very good equivalent, if there is no money, there will be white tails, but humanity, in general, the history of the development of mankind, the history of the development of civilization, is the history of the development of trade and business, because this language of love will always remain, and even now, when it would seem that there are countries , who generally quarreled terribly, we won’t talk to each other, they offended the mouse very much, they still continue to communicate with each other, transactions still continue, no matter goods are bought, people first publicly announce sanctions, rather than publicly sit down at the table and say: so what, how? how we really are going to work, we really need it, everything is fine, don’t doubt it,

we’ll discuss over dinner how we’re going to continue business now, so you can generally relax on this topic, don’t read too much, too carefully, ideological news publications , which tell us that the picture of the world is unambiguous, in general, if there is any source that says that the picture of the world is unambiguous, it is better to avoid it, and your mother, the writer, tatyana tolstaya, said about you, i will quote, i certainly don’t... i myself don’t allow anyone to hang over me, but i write over him, i know that this cannot be done and from time to time i say that it would be nice to publish a book of essays, except for the lack of time, he, that is, nothing bothers you, are you thinking about a book of essays, i do it every day in the form of a blog, just a different format, these are essays, but publish it in in the form of a book, i even handed them in once, but the thing is, that this is an outdated format, which is no longer in such demand, a super ineffective format, why do you need a book, only because... there is no other way to disseminate this information widely, when we have a channel on telegram or a website on vkontakte,

just here’s mine a page where i write three times every day, i don’t need any collection in the form of some kind of book, because i have a collection, people subscribe to my thoughts, read them three times a day, that is, the topic is more popular now, so let's say on the topic of the day, and not about the eternal, i don’t write anything on the topic of the day, i just don’t care, i have a news format, i present it in the form of a video. where i, like a grandmother on a bench, simply comment on events, this is absolutely enough for me, but writing separately about what is happening in the world, i think that this is a very devastating thing, when you try to comment, you don’t know the processes, you don’t know people, you don’t know why one attacked the other, they didn’t attack because you see it like this, they attacked because for some completely different internal reasons, they didn’t divide the money, something else happened to them, outwardly it has completely different manifestations, if you discuss it so sincerely, you can directly take sides.

you turned out to be surprisingly perspicacious; can you say that you have some kind of political

intuition? i hardly have political intuition, i have managerial sanity, and i personally get it from two components: i have a job, i have my studio, where 300 people work with me man, this is quite a lot, i just feel responsible, every month i have to pay them 300 salaries, i... earn them, do business, a bunch of other valences of all sorts of different relationships that arise from this, and i have to make sure that 300 families want to eat. so you need to remember this all the time, and we’ve been in our studio for 29 years this year, that is, i ’ve been doing this for several years, so getting distracted by some fuss, some things, now it’s all the end of the world, that’s it we’re abandoning it urgently, until we do this we can’t live there at all, so it’s impossible to deceive me, because i know that every time the end of the world was promised before, it didn’t happen, this time it won’t happen either, my bet is this, the second

source of my confidence and this kind of managerial sanity, from my family, of course, children, because i have 10 children, again, knowing that i have to raise them, feed them as much as possible, after work, the remaining time to devote some time to them, until they need it or not, and this makes me a very calm, unfussy person when it comes to acceptance decisions and in their view of the events taking place in the world, therefore, when these events happened in belarus, when strange people came out, it seemed like a protest, sort of like - well, we all laughed here, what... they take off their slippers to stand on a bench , yes, that is, such a belarusian protest, so it’s absolutely clear for me, i’m not just talking about lukashenkovsky, yes, in general , nothing connects me with him in any way, never connected me, but i see that the person is doing the job that he is still in his place, that he is very strongly defends his interests, this is, first of all , very cool, although people don’t appreciate it, it seems to them that this is a dictatorship, but it seems to me that he is simply not the swindlers of our republic,

the former soviets, they just tore everything apart, spent it, stole it and nothing there is nothing left, as a result they have... no income for us somewhere, well, that is, it ’s wrong, this shouldn’t be done, when there are poor people left and everyone went to all these protests, naturally my reaction was such that this is absolutely disgraceful, this cannot be done, the authorities cannot do this they would overthrow, if this had happened in america, they would have hit him on the head right away, in fact, after that, when the story with the capitol happened, it was straight, they hit him on the head much earlier, without debating, without spreading it all out for 3 days, without allowing it, when i came to minsk, there were some old women walking up and down the avenue with posters. there are residual ones, well, there are like 40 people there, no one bothers them, but they still have to take their anxiety somewhere, if only someone in america would go there in washington after storming the capitol with the words that we haven’t said everything yet, everyone is going to prison just without talking at all, because this is support for extremism, they are all not terrorists, but they call it that and they shot them point-blank, a hand went up they,

well, they just don’t joke about this topic, because when it comes to it, when a violent people comes and overthrows the government, it’s just bad... tenderness, which was a shock to them that someone could sit in a pre-trial detention center for a little while - a little, well, that ’s good, well, they spent time in a pre-trial detention center, they understood, so oh, it was me, like the audience, everyone left, they didn’t do stupid things anymore, even if they forgave partasevich, he just converted in general, the man became a saint during his lifetime, there is such a metaphor, i also have an interesting one,

there is, there is george the victorious one, who is also on the coat of arms of moscow, he defeats me. with a spear, in fact, initially he defeats the snake with a kind word, that is, he does not need to kill anyone, stick a spear into the snake’s throat, he can simply choose the words, communicate in such a way, reformulate it so that the snake accordingly became good, and this is just the example with the party sevich, for me it’s a very cool example of re-educating the opposition, when a person is clear that he had some arguments, but as if plan b, he could have chosen, he didn’t choose it, he decided, which is so good, but this is re-education. without cutting off the arms of the legs, without quartering, without the rack, without pouring lead down the throat, in general, it is the most humane, just a person changed his mind, looked differently, changed his mind, that is, he was forgiven during his lifetime, this is very cool, if only we would also be able to re-educate the russian opposition with words, treat them with words, it would be very good for people to just be like, damn it, i understand, i was a fool, i said some garbage, i got involved with the wrong people, i’m

sorry uncle that's all, asshole, here we see a new person, well, you took part in the debate with '. navalny, when it was not yet fashionable, when it was not yet mainstream, how would you evaluate this figure today of alexei navalny, is it possible to re-educate him, that’s how you say it, with the help of words, well, other people had already re-educated by that time, because i caught him from the very beginning, when he was still just a blogger in zhzhe, and he represented the interest of the names, he bought some 0.00% shares and then receives. documents from shareholders, which means that he was actually leaking, some competing country was giving him incriminating evidence and he was pretending that he was some kind of investigative blogger on his blog, which means he was pushing this topic, well, that’s what he lived for, but... when political ambitions came to his mind, it’s already difficult to say how it is, well, apparently he decided that i’ll go there, i’ll go here, he liked that they were discussing him, that someone was giving him a microphone, that’s how he grew up, i started

to fight with him, so to speak, well, actually not to fight, to oppose ideologically, because i saw that we, this is going in the wrong direction, this is wrong, it affects the brain, for example, in my company, according to age according to social status, almost half of my colleagues, they were all navalny, they sat in navalny’s headquarters, i never... told anyone, didn’t interfere, in this i mean, i have complete freedom of religion, do whatever you want, just so that it doesn’t interfere with your work and so that you don’t agitate anyone at work in your life, if you want to play the guitar, if you want to help navalny, i don’t care at all, and i was just waiting for these people themselves will reach a point where they will understand that this is absolute empty talk, that there is nothing behind it, these are just words, just formulas, very beautiful, very meaningless, beautiful russia of the future, what does this mean, and i have a beautiful russia now real? let's discuss it from this point of view, and they are like, no, this is horror now, a nightmare, then there will be enlightenment, i tell them, okay, you think that government procurement is the most terrible thing in the world, when navalny becomes president, it will have a state order, it

will run the metro, the fire brigade will come to extinguish the fire, and this is a state structure, we do not have private firefighters, it will serve the interests of another state, well, it will do a state order, so it will be possible to have it then it will be free government orders, you don’t understand, this is all demagic, but people say that someone has to work, this was my position, so you just talk in your mouth and don’t offer anything to give money to everyone, but i say that we need to work and this it’s difficult, i have a relationship, you say, publish the terms of the contract there, i promised

not to do this, i keep trade secrets, you can’t force me weakly, suddenly break off my relationship with my clients, but after a while you were unhappy, yes what you failed to be then convincing in this debate, as if they considered that they had lost, let alone no, i was dissatisfied at the moment, because i am not such a bright speaker, and even more so... baptiste, i can’t, that’s when they argue, and two more a person is being shouted down at me, there’s also sobchak lashing out and navalny bashing me, i have no experience in this sense, i didn’t lead corporate events and i didn’t shout from the podium, they do this every day, so of course my story is just more long-term, that is, my voice too will be heard, just not at the time of the hour-long broadcast, water wears away your stone, water sharpens your stone, and it’s a shame that navalny died, he’s younger than me and in general would have lived another eighty years, a tragic death, well, well, what to do, here... nature ordered it that way, but then you kind of learned how to debate, because some time ago you discussed your debate with pavel shevilev, this is an artist, the conversation is still a debate, a conversation, yes, well

, the best thing i read was that there a mountain gave birth to a mouse, or that a mouse went to the mountain, but as i understand it, you know each other and he’s a classmate and some kind of warm relationship, but suddenly he had to go through something like this, i guess, i think it was very difficult for him to read 120,000 comments, where his yes... this is a burden, because usually these are still people in the sense of course, i don’t know how it’s possible to get something like this little by little or spread out over time, there’s so much on one’s shoulders right away at once, it must not be easy, he stood it with honor, he stood it with honor, i was worried, a heart attack didn’t happen, well then you followed his fate, yes, well, i asked him how he got such new fame in the first place, everything is fine. you taught him a little bit how to react, well, i told him even when we recorded it, i told him that in general, be prepared, just don’t take it to heart, these are just comments on the internet, and artemy is there, the bulk of the comments

, that it would be nice if now artemy always goes to the barricades as a sliberdoy, because he knows how to do this, how do you perceive this proposal from your subscribers, are you ready, well, my position actually hasn’t changed, i broadcast it, that’s how i do it where did i come from? debating with the same navalny and what i’m proceeding from now, my point of view is unchanged, i just have a little more mature perception on some issues, for example, regarding the same year of the order, here’s another 5 years ago i had some doubts, well, yes, as if there was something in this, as if something was not right, as if some kind of thing was wrong, wrong, not good, we need to justify ourselves, we need to explain, but people are proud if i have zero cost at all, i am the king of government orders, i want to take everything. everyone, let's do everything from all countries, everything ready to make this camera please zero and belarusian orders too everyone, let’s do everything , ready to do everything because i just

initially didn’t... never thought that the state was bad, and we ’ll take a break for a while, i remind you, we have a telegram channel , say don’t be silent, subscribe, ask questions and suggest guests, we are in touch, only for our viewers. we choose the best routes. at that very second, the merchant decided to praise the gods on a nearby island. he first erected a temple, then built huts and founded the city, berestye. and let's go on an exciting journey. he is like a magician, controls the light, lights up the lanterns, thereby signaling the beginning and end of the day. permanent, like the sun and the moon. are you entitled to leave or do you have a double? to

show? how unusual and wonderful our country is. please note that the top of the gate is decorated with a sculpture of a stranger. who she is is still unknown, locals call her the patroness of small towns. behind the walls of which these ruins remain, issues of national importance were decided. well, yes, ruzhany castle was in no way inferior to the palaces of the vkal kings. in ruzhany you can literally see the holy trinity church from everywhere. the uniqueness of the temple is that it... was never closed, even in soviet times, like other churches in belarus, it was not turned into a storage facility, a cultural center, or a theater. watch the program “cities of belarus” on the belarus 24 tv channel. what impression does a person have when visiting our country for the first time? at first, i realized right away that this is a safe city, belarusian people, the first

the contact is very... ready, i’m proud that i’m here, and even more proud that i was allowed to lead the team of belarusians. on the air again say do not be silent, and today our guest is entrepreneur, blogger, traveler, designer, artemy lebedev. where does this come from?

does the thought appear in the subconscious that the state is bad? i think that, well, firstly, there is, of course, so now with a broad mind - we’ll try to analyze, come up with, hypothetize, this is probably a property of our mentality, our people, in principle, like to get too close, this is our a national trait, we must definitely, well , like in any case, how management decisions are made, yes, if some person comes to the podium, he must say, everything is bad with us, those in charge are like... such and such, such and such, give me money, this, this is a normal conversation, normal, i think that now any manager who listens to me knows that it was accepted in the state like this, only now, when the president’s team came and began to lead differently things, gradually, gradually, gradually people are being replaced by those who don’t do this, who proceed from efficiency, who proceed, they have caps, they have tasks, goals, don’t just complain, take the money and disappear into nowhere again, straight, you can’t forgive the debt,

straight... making sure that the debt is paid is a completely different conversation, i don’t have the slightest desire to defend the nineties, because that was the period that happened after the system was too monolithic, it turned out that it was just a spike on deer legs, that’s all it fell apart and naturally, on the wreckage of these fragments , this is what happened, there was a lot of bad things, yes, now the state is gradually recovering, i think that the speed of regeneration of russia should impress any large state, that is, who... else recovered so quickly, completely from such great damage, from the loss of half the territory, from the loss of half the population, it is very painful, economically, even russia has huge ambitions, our main problem is that we have only 150 million people, this is very little, this is the market like this, but the measures that the government and putin are now taking to increase the birth rate, do you think they are effective, as a father of ten children, for my part.

i made a contribution, i have everything, there are no questions for me, i started when it was not announced yet, even before the state program, my point of view coincides on this issue, so yes, everything is fine here, the recipe is simple. how to make children known and work at the same time in order to provide for these children, and then yes, such a secret turns out that when children are born, it is inevitable that you begin to use your thinking a little better, you begin not to miss some opportunities that before, you probably would have passed by, you are lazy, then you understand what you need raise offspring, so you won’t miss this opportunity, well, then, word by word, gradually you, in general, wherever two people can feed themselves, the third will not die of hunger, in general, according to this principle, you begin to scale. in the end everyone, everyone ends up, well, now fed, now a question for you, not as a father, not as a blogger, but as a traveler, you visited all 193 countries that are members of the un, in total you visited 262 territories, recently

visited rome, not only rome, i was also in florence in milan in one trip, italy is an amazing country, it’s always interesting, cool, but now after moscow, when you’re traveling abroad, i’m... just a week ago i was in italy, a month ago i was in france in spain, a month later i’ll go to england, every time i have the following observation: first of all, i want to return to moscow delicious food, because half the time there is already such disappointment, once it seemed that it was incredibly tasty, beyond the pale, now you think, hmm, guys, you don’t need to tempt me like that anymore, it ’s like they ate more deliciously, because in moscow has a very high level, at least for the last five years, moscow restaurant. in general, the movement has flown into space, the second is the level of service, it simply doesn’t exist there, it’s just the bottom, there of course you can find some kind of super-duper restaurant, which even has windows that are a little like that foggy, so that people don’t stare there from the street,

there are such people, and the door is not just open, you have to ring the bell, they are hiding in such good places, let’s call them that, there are good places in moscow, they are open, please, we have any, down the street you can go, go right, go left, everywhere there will be super service, super tasty, after that abroad, which has always been. i don’t remember a moment when the country wanted better than now, no hunger, no war, you can mind your own business, there is no war, well, these words were in the nineteenth year were written when there was a peak and there was no war yet, now everything is the same plus

a war, but we have a war, unlike the great patriotic war, which was total, comprehensive, in fact, it is world-wide, because many countries were completely paralyzed by the war, where are all the resources, i read a book. now the memoirs of the inhabitants of great britain, which they also had a very active war, they gave everything they could to the war, almost the queen wrote a decree that forbade doing anything there, any unnecessary body movements, there were two or two models of chairs, that’s all, it’s no longer allowed, because the war, there used to be this sofa, this sofa, that’s it, guys, forget it, five types of clothes, two types of chairs, such and such a diet, cards, this everything is super mega limited, because everything is for war. we don’t have that kind of war, we have a war that a resident of moscow, for example, won’t even understand that it’s happening, it simply doesn’t exist. moscow produces a lot of things. before the coronavirus pandemic, we visited your store, and the cafe there was also quite delicious, so delicious olivier, borscht, i was very

touched, as a resident of this old center, grandmothers almost so colorful came to eat with you, frankly, and young people for books, for good ones, just... a certain number of people who, well , there’s a million, let’s say, who left, less than 1% of the population, and 2/3 of them have already returned, they continue to study, they just come back, yes, we just know that they left, then they announce it loudly, but they usually come back little by little, for some reason the return is not announced so loudly and people somehow. they are ashamed that they left, although i, if i had left, i would not be ashamed, i would have left loudly and arrived loudly, what’s wrong, let them discuss it at all, here i am, but they somehow seem different, understandable, that they were the first thing they encountered, that firstly, being a tourist is not the same as being

a local, but they came to local residents, it turned out that no one needed them there, there was nothing to do, no one would give you a job, you are not as qualified as here, there is not everything that you are used to, see a doctor there you need to sign up a year in advance or... if you have an acute situation there for 3 months of government services there it doesn’t exist somewhere, it exists naturally, there’s also no need to completely humiliate it because in the west, well, they don’t wear bast shoes, they’ll let them rot for many more years before us . in general, for now, while we are comparable there in terms of production rates or some things, there are simply other problems, they simply exist too, so when people here take some problem, they begin to inflate it and pretend that it is nothing else there is no good, this is where dissonance arises, because that if with exactly the same approach someone sat and discussed the west, like look how bad it is here, there is nothing else, they would also be offended, surprised, they told them, well , yes, it’s bad here, but here it is - that’s not bad, let’s do something a little more...

put a fool to pray to god, he ’ll hurt himself, that’s exactly what they do, they’re in this frenzy of how they love their new country, they’re ready, they have corruption there, well, yes, it’s not without problems here, but it works for us there prosecutor's office, your politicians there stole everything that could be stolen there and so on, well, like yes, that's what we're fighting for, but overall everything is fine, we have freedom here, unlike you, everything was banned there all russian tv channels, well, of course, this is putin’s propaganda, that’s how it should be, well, in short, absolutely complete, that’s what it is...

so for some european to say something to me, it absolutely couldn’t even occur to me, on the contrary, people are like, oh, russia is cool, i speak russian there, there’s some phrase there, they say that putin is wow, or what, or no, he loves putin, yes, i’ve never heard of it, although what should i come up with, i would say if there were such people, simple people, they love putin very much, because for them he works, he fights the dragon for both people and he’s not yet, well, somehow, he’s still alive, he’s struggling with this.

china you come some taxi driver there about putin, i don’t know what’s there in france in italy people are like very cool, like you ’re lucky, you’re doing well, putin is in the eu, and that’s just how people feel, i think that if there is this sociology, they of course know this sociology, how who treats whom, i think they are terrified, because they seem to be doing everything to make sure that it is not so, but people still see what is really happening, the people are not stupid, as... this government thinks some years ago you came up with a very successful format of 1000 steps of communication, and almost every day you walk to work and began to invite interesting interlocutors to join you in order to make interesting company for you to talk to along the way, except for the rebel prigozhin’s army, with whom was it’s also interesting for you to talk, well, i did n’t talk to a rebel, but just with, well, at that time , yes, i’m very different. people, i still have a huge number of letters in my folder that

i need to answer, there are 200 people there that i’m interested in hanging out with, it’s just very difficult to organize, but i ’ll definitely talk to them, that is, the format is still alive, the format is still alive and every convenient opportunity, when i have a minute, i definitely walk with someone, talk, this is the best idea that came to my mind in terms of influence on my life, that is, i met and talked with people who gave me such new knowledge, advice, tips, insights. that well , they really just gave me another life, i just sped up so much, some things that were not obvious to me or i didn’t know, suddenly i took advantage of them, just like you get additional education on your feet, yes, when in films about space they show when a spaceship there turns on the main photon installation and it flies away to a point, this is what i did, and several times in these flew away from one point, then to another, and who else besides the wagners was remembered, so tell me? everything from a pathologist to an anatomist to a man

who was in ukrainian captivity, our soldier who returned on exchange and also told, very, very interesting, and by what criterion do you select an interlocutor, what knowledge, skills was always important to me this very thing: i am carried away by life, i am delighted by any specialists, if a person is engaged in some kind of professional work, it doesn’t matter to me if he is a plumber or an airplane pilot, i am interested in him if he is just i’m like, i can’t do anything, i don’t know anything, i want. talk to you, but i’m not interested in just talking, i have nothing to listen to, i don’t learn anything new, so well, accumulate knowledge, accumulate a biography, accumulate impressions, look at... something you will have something to say, you will have a point sight, then of course i’ll be happy to take a walk with you, i’ll be interested in prigozh himself, what do you think about him, why did this happen, i think he overheated, that is, he was a man of the system, definitely, yes, everything is fine, they all life were familiar, he was still there when bush came, he personally poured vodka for them there, these photos are there, everything was fine,

in fact, he had super preferences, he lived, as much as possible, as if separate rules were written for him, he was allowed everything , that is, this is such a level. privileges in the country unheard of, because he was a close comrade, he spent time in the war, i don’t know, shelling, something, apparently, the psyche is still not strong, even with such people, his attic floated and he went into rebellion at the king, at the first second i she said that this, all the people are still sitting like how to react to this, what to do, what is not clear, but it was clear to me that if there is such a rebellion, if you go against the tsar, and even more so if you shot down six planes there and helicopters. there were people sitting in them, soldiers, yes, who were them, it’s unlikely that they were given a hero of russia after that, but they simply died tragically on that summer day, it’s unclear why, because someone decided to convey the truth there supposedly, that is this is complete and absolute nonsense, it’s clear that this man has gone crazy, well, actually the result is logical, very convincing, and putin

is a tsar, and lukashenko is a tsar, and what is royal about them, well, a tsar is a person whose power comes from god. the people don’t mind him sitting on the throne for the rest of his life, it’s like the sun, it has to go down and set, it exists even without him, it’s very good, well , it’s like with us, if we look at the political map of the world, we’ll draw it and color it not countries in different colors, but political systems or the mentality of people in different colors, we will see that the slavs and asians are very much in this sense, the mentality is similar, that they need a person who sits in power until the end of his life, and this... does not depend at all on the political system, of course, putin, and lukashenko, and sidinpin, and aliyev are all kings, because to ours the people need this, this is clear to everyone, if there were, 100 million people would come out there and say, no, over our corpse, this doesn’t happen, then the king would have the virus of novalnism somewhere, you said,

your studios were spreading quickly and even more than 50% of the staff there picked it up, that is, well, if we have the mentality of the people, why? they succumb so quickly to all these trends, because we live in moscow, because this is such a city of snickering, flighty people who generally have their own view of the world completely, people have not seen life, if they worked in the field on a tractor, they would didn’t go with a ball, or i confirm, we were in minsk in 1920, because the province didn’t understand what they were throwing there, people of men , what are you doing there, it’s pure, it’s a city thing, it’s happening, when, why did all this happen here with navalny because they played with him, they let him do it, he was even allowed to participate in the elections of mayor of moscow, where he got his 25% there, when he did this, they realized that they probably shouldn’t play like that anymore, because they ’ll troll, or it will be like with ukraine, when the hero of the series, a comedian, becomes

president, where he played the president in the series, suddenly becomes president, it ’s funny, we even started with this clown, it’s a laugh, right? well, that’s impossible, because after all, power is not a joke, it’s not something like oh, i’ll sit on the throne now i am a scepter from the power, now i will decide the fate of people, it ends with such a tragedy as is happening now, it’s not fun at all, it would be the same with navalny, if he received, god forbid, at least some kind of power, then most likely we would have had a new thirty-seventh year simply in a cube, just executions of unwanted people, imprisonment of all this, god knows what would have happened, do you communicate with morat gelman, who is now inagi? uh, i haven’t talked for a very long time, although what he’s doing now is very it’s strange, because he, they came to some kind of sabbath in lviv, where there was some kind of forum of the russian opposition, nonsense, and there it means gelman, kasparov, that is, this is really a madhouse on the move, these were still normal people recently, and it’s just that everything in their attic has switched, they’re like these

zombies, and you think maybe it’s for money after all, i hope, i think it’s a brain slug, it sometimes affects the frontal cortex and there’s something there no... because it would seem, well, you live in europe, well, live there in europe, here is a gallery in moscow, well let you have a gallery in moscow, why should you engage in idiocy, this is what they are doing, this is the most senseless political activity, firstly, zero people in russia will give at least two kopecks for the decision of this opposition forum, because russian the opposition, when it tries to call itself the opposition, this is where the main idiocy actually arises, the opposition cannot come out under the flag of i am the opposition, this is nonsense, if there is even a slightly stable system there, they will never allow such a stupid move to suddenly arrive, storm the city gates and demand a seat on the board of directors just because

someone asked for it, that doesn’t happen, more than that, what is the name, that’s the name of the american navalny, who is the person who questions the local system, there even when the president dared fart, said something, i don’t agree with the elections, yes, immediately the system completely crushed everyone with magazines, put them in prison, so as not to joke, let’s take a break for a while after a short pause. let's return to our conversation again, for now subscribe to our telegram channel, say don’t be silent, look for all our episodes on the youtube channel belarus 1. on the air again say don’t be silent, our guest today is designer, traveler, blogger, entrepreneur, artemy lebedev, an exciting idea... which you are also talking about now in an interview, this is the design of a pre-trial detention center, you want your idea to make people feel comfortable, but to be in a pre-trial detention center,

because this is not yet a prisoner, it is a person, by the way, in belarus you also have a pre-trial detention center that is worse than a prison and than a colony, this is wrong , this is wrong, i'm with you here i agree, but look, improvement then takes on forms like in norway, when breivik is already sitting in a two-story mansion with parrots, with cinemas, and everything is still bad for him. here, how to find a reasonable balance, not to worry that brevig has such conditions, at least, but he is absolutely a creature of hell, in general he is a man who will be boiled in twenty-eight cauldrons, and the devils will stick pitchforks in his sides, but this does not mean that he cannot sit in his prison in human conditions, that is, what about you? otherwise, let's dissolve him in acid, it will be very painful for him, we will take revenge for the executed children, that is, you think that only good conditions. is it possible to rehabilitate a scoundrel? i don’t think that a scoundrel can be rehabilitated by bad conditions, when he has a hole in the floor and generally inhumane conditions, this humiliation of human

dignity does not rehabilitate anyone, maybe it’s a little bit scary in the background, i wouldn’t want to go there again, but in general i can say that even just a restriction of freedom, any kind, is in in principle, this is what stops many people from committing crimes, for this it is not necessary to humiliate the person further, your channel was demolished on youtube, you stopped earning a lot of money or... or did you experience some kind of discomfort about this or decided to make your own video hosting russian? well, it happens here, we started the conversation with how you can stay afloat, since i am ready for a variety of situations, such a thing is that youtube, which demolished my channel, which was more than 10 years old, where there was a million subscribers, is simply completely in zero with all the issues, with everything, well, if anyone else, he probably would have had a heart attack or something else would have happened, but i about... said, well , then let’s move on, and since i expected such a development of the situation, again, not one day, thank god, i had to make a decision, although i should say it there, the most

important thing for me is that my audience has been restored, a million people watch every video, youtube showed that this is actually an inquisitorial totalitarian platform that does not tolerate dissent , if you say what the party line is not corresponds, then accordingly they shut you up, they tell you that you are violating community rules or some standards for presenting information or, well, they like beautiful wording. they will explain why this is not possible, if you don’t understand, they shut you up, if you don’t understand at all, they erase you, destroy you, they do this absolutely under the banner of the greatest democracy in general, freedom of speech, we see how totalitarian all democratic people acted during covid countries, the more democratic, the more totalitarian in fact, what was covid, in your opinion, mass hysteria, idiocy and management, we see how management decisions work when some kind of president is in office. and he thinks, if i don’t do anything now, and the disease is really killing me, they’ll shoot me, they’ll actually put me on a stake, if i do something, i’ll introduce measures, that the worst thing i have, what

a punishment, that i saved you, yes i’m handsome, put on all the masks, close everything, well, that’s how it works, it’s an understandable management move, but i, as a person, am simply not ready to agree with this, i flew during covid, i went to visit you belarus on a tractor years later, so i wanted to ask who you broke into, you had love there in minsk, how is that possible? i went to your oysters to eat in the center, moscow has the most wonderful oysters, and everything in moscow was closed, that is, minsk is in second place after moscow, i went from, one might say, from a quarantine sanatorium, i went to freedom, beautiful, beautiful, a bright, working belarus, where everything is in general and we will wait for a new video hosting, will you make russian youtube or not, so vk video, more about the show artemey, when we told our parents that we would meet you, they said, this is this... with a straight face, that is, people who watch tv remember you like this, well, i’m glad that you watch ntv like this

tell me, you got carried away, it’s just that a good producer , dusmukhomedov, left. who somehow found out that i exist and decided, apparently, to stir up this swamp of his, because everyone sitting there is the same, jokes the same, reacts the same, oh, how cool, guys, they’re all so cool, i don’t i can, this is it maybe it works on tiktok, but it’s not my format, it’s too late to start, and he called me, i say, you’re wrong, i’m sure for you, i ’ll ruin the whole show, it will be a failure, you’ll just regret it, he... i know , why am i deputizing you, well, that’s it, then, he didn’t tell me anything, how to behave, that you shouldn’t laugh, no, i’m talking about something else, well , that’s why they work in shows where they don’t write funny jokes, and in general all this has been going on for years and this is the humorous mainstream we have, but no one, maybe someone would like to do something differently, but for some reason it doesn’t work out like that, moreover, i have a very good observation that all those same brave

guys who simply escaped from putin’s bloody clutches. through the upper lars, or please, now planes fly wherever you want, i just flew in from rome, russia didn’t close its borders to begin with, everything works, you can go wherever you want, you want to fly away, you want to fly in, the constitution says that this is allowed , this line is there, in short, all the free guys, the most simple ones, the most open ones, the ones who tell the truth we left, so film a show there, so that here everything will just break, so that they will just explode, so that we can just sit and just think. would be shaking in horror that someone would dare, it’s so funny to joke about us, there’s complete impotence, there’s zero cultural product, they can’t do anything, well, film a stand-up, well, make it so that it’s so fiercely forbidden that you can only watch under the blanket with headphones on so that no one finds out that we have the same story, we also have many, where it’s funny, but another alternative, well, let’s laugh at us, show that this is possible, you have a different culture, they won’t punish you for this, well, yes, and

no, and they can’t, but they have nothing to say, what should you tell me? what is the secret of cats, their design is the most perfect, cats, cats, they are always in demand everywhere, they are popular, because they apparently touch some cute neurons in our heads, so we are immediately touched, and even when a girl says the phrase that i'm going to have a baby or i'm pregnant, you 're crying, buzhan, you're far away now, i have good news for you, i'm pregnant. get it together, get it together, get it together, you will have your eleventh child, artina, i hope at some point, but this reaction was also picked up immediately on social networks, but why

did you react like that, what works, neurons, how... beautiful they are all this matter was emotionally summed up, that is, you are still an emotional person, i am the person i always am, i usually watch films like this, where at the end the playwright implies a slime, it flows out for me, with age you become more or less sentimental, probably , a little bit more sentimental, yeah because you understand life more than 20 years ago, in general, of course, there is such an observation, i don’t remember where i read it from, why it would be useful to me, but suddenly, it’s better to get on the trail of an elderly person. life, because he is kinder, he is not only kinder, he has already lived life and he understands that there is stupidity, there is stupidity, there is something else, he seems to be a little more understanding, not that he forgives everyone, he’s just like a dad already, he seems to have seen different things, but he’s young, he doesn’t know anything yet, he’s like this puppy, he doesn’t care break up, imprison everyone, cripple, ruin all destinies, he still doesn’t understand what he’s doing, he’s just frisky like that,

so here, apparently, the same thing is that sentimentality is just some kind of accumulated experience when you understand , that in general you need to be calmer, softer, take your time, don’t break everything at once, then everything will be better, what a correct observation, that everything happens on time and how good it is that we found you at this period of time when you exactly like that, although of course we wanted to meet you for a very long time, but today here is artemy lebedev, and we were glad to listen to you, i hope our belarusian viewers will be very pleased to get to know you from this side, thank you very much. tatyana shcherbina, victoria popova, we say goodbye to you for today, goodbye, goodbye, artemy lebedev is speaking now. dear belarusians, i would like to share with you one observation about how the russian people differ from the belarusian people. i traveled here and there, was in all regions of russia and in all regions in belarus, so i have something to compare and something to say. we have a lot to learn from you, and you have a lot to learn from us. what struck me most in belarus was that in every village, residents mow

the lawn not only inside their fence on their plot, but... on the outside too, that is , the part from the fence to the road, i specifically say this in detail because that all belarusians understand this obviously, everyone does this, in russia this is not obvious at all, it is incomprehensible, no one ever does this, there weeds always grow and this is very... polite from the belarusian point of view and absolutely normal from the russian point of view, this is what we need to learn from you, you need to learn from us about slightly more complex configurations, when different points of view, different formats, different things are allowed, when different people are informal, so i go there with a blue head , even to the directors of tractor factories, they do not fall into frills, plus, of course, we need to build parks, plus we need to deal with the improvement of the city in general, then gradually, gradually, word by word all sorts of different complex formats appear that diversify life and this makes it more interesting to live happier.

today, all conditions are being created in our country to successfully repel any aggression, but our western neighbors did not really like the appearance of nuclear weapons in belarus, while their placement on the territory of nato countries suits everyone, but this is probably different.

the force is defensive in nature, and this against the backdrop of the rapid armament of our neighbors. ksenia lebedeva's author's view on politics double standards in the project is another thing. watch on belarus24 tv channel.

live broadcast of the main news at noon in the studio olga kalaerova, hello and briefly about the topics of the issue. state. the president's visit to mongolia is over. the next point on the map is russia, plane number one is already in irkutsk. new items from the belarusian agro-industrial complex. the bela exhibition starts at the great stone site.