welcome everyone who is with us now, we have a great line-up today, three guests in the studio and there will be a fourth participant via skype, sergey kurginyan himself, so go ahead, don’t waste a minute of airtime and let’s start with this: this week, or to be precise, on august 23, we will remember the day of the defeat of the fascists in the battle of kursk, it was in 1943, now eight decades later , enemy military forces have been spotted on this land again...

or here’s another interesting thing, what strategic significance did the gornalsky men’s monastery of podsuji, which the ukrainian tank methodically shot at with direct fire. here , andrey, we will start with you, it is clear that the ukrainian topic is emotionally overheated, and i started with this not to dance more oil into the cauldron, but on the other hand, what not to notice, again, why does this topic really deserve that... to the bryansk region to the kursk, here they decided to the last which logistics were better, if they had chosen the bryansk direction, all these problems would have been so percent 50 belarusian, why do we have a common border in the gomel region, then these sabotage and reconnaissance groups that shoot such videos, they could, well, in theory, somehow penetrate, including somewhere on the belarusian border territory, this is a direct danger, that is why today russia is creating various groups in the bryansk region on... the story with the attacks on monasteries,

this, you know, remember, 8 years of donbass they told us, well, why are you there, look at the swastika on the helmet, and you look at this, as if all of ukraine is like this, we really are were embarrassed to talk about it, now some people are saying, why are you showing this video again, does it say anything in relation to this front, what do you think about this, does it mean that they will give up?

with negotiations, remember again the interview of our president, these terrorist acts on the territory of russia, they provoked and are provoking russia to deliver a very strong retaliatory strike, which would later allow all the european countries that are on the perimeter around to be drawn in

belarus in this conflict, this is one of the goals, the second, europe is really tired of the war, a number of countries are already openly talking about it, it was necessary to prolong it at any cost. so, what, what path, it is not about victory, everyone understands perfectly well, any military man will say that the attack on the kursk region does not bring anything strategically in military terms, there is no military component there, it is a pr stunt, it is a terrorist act, it is an attempt to show the west its population that we can do something, let them finance us, and this is a breakdown of negotiations, naturally, this is an attempt to get away from these, look, and kiev has a different version, adviser to the presidential office podalyak. that a sudden attack on a russian region is a psychological tactic and the only way to force putin to sit down they succeeded yes he is lying podalyak as he has been lying all his life as he has been lying to belarus here in belarus let 's remember that he worked in belarus, this is a person who will change any

views for money, he worked in the party newspaper, which party i now head, sang to be a deferent, this is to the president of russia, lukashenko, the union of russia with belarus, then he came to ukraine. completely changed his views, this man will say anything for money, never in his life will terror force russia to conduct any negotiations. and also, the topic of negotiations - it has not really gone away, it is still relevant. the question is with whom? let's listen to the president, who gave a big interview in ugtrk, to journalist yevgeny popov, who asked a question about the kursk region too. the danger is that this kind of escalation from ukraine, this attempt...

come from, and secondly, nuclear weapons, we have already formed a certain negative image of these nuclear weapons, so they want to push, the second is possible. will remain, well, to put it mildly, in worse conditions, this is what they want, as for

the negotiations, well, there are two components, according to the istanbul agreements, nothing is said about the territories, that is, these are some general conditions of neutrality, you do this, we do this, about the territories there was putin's last proposal in june, all four regions remember, but they do not agree to this, then the question of timing arises, when they will agree, well, if we consider that they have accumulated this core to attack this group, then they would have used it in any case either in donbass or somewhere for an attack, that is... while they had these reserves, they still would not have entered into negotiations, that is, formally, probably, nothing has even changed either in terms of timing or , say, in some negotiating positions, that is, then they will be knocked out of there, well then they will probably say that yes, now we ready, well, so far i understand that russia does not agree, the duration of this disagreement will depend on the situation on the ground, then on the american elections, that is, they got a problem, well for about three months, i think, with this kursk region, that's at least, then there will be elections in the usa, some kind of change in supplies will occur, or not, but the problem, if we take it more broadly, this is what the president said, that we... created a kind of hole in our defense, let's say, through which nato can pour in any reserves there today,

any logistics, just give us money, give us tanks there, and we are ready to die there, this is the position of ukraine, so they are offering a new model of a turnkey war already on russian territory, not just some kind of defense there in donbass, here is an offensive operation on the territory of russia, this is a new proposal, which means some new western financing, new conditions, and for the west this is very interesting, they are actively participating there, analyzing experiments, for some kind of sabotage component, all this is priceless, so here... they did not get what wanted, and then they will also get negotiations? i am convinced that the president is really right in the question that the goal of the ukrainian government, in this adventure in the kursk region, is an attempt to involve nato in a direct conflict, that is, it is clear that ukraine never, well, what chances could there be, they do not exist now, nato actually has no chance of defeating russia, and has not had and will not have, but the desire of the kiev government for nato to actively participate in... openly they are now participating mercenaries and weapons and missiles, everything, everything without nato ukraine would

would never do anything, it is impossible for them to do it themselves, they would not carry out a single terrorist attack without western money, but they want to directly involve, how to provoke russia, that means really, the president said, for nuclear strikes, for some even greater escalation, and here - in my opinion, the russian leadership has taken a very correct position, in what sense, the answer, putin said, the answer for the kursk region will be. will be tough, this answer is already beginning, but we will not go, not belarus, not russia, here i want to say about belarus, us they also provoked us at the border, constantly violating the border with drones, the west is constantly writing its own scenario for belarus and russia, how we should act in their opinion in the event of their provocations, and we should follow our own scenario, for example, lukashenko has never followed the west's scenario in 30 years, i remember the whole belarusian meeting the phrase: all officials should hang on the wall in their office, if the west suggests something, do the opposite, that's what we do,

russia is doing the same thing now, they write us one scenario, russia acts according to its own scenario, belarus in its own way, this is extremely important for victory, and victory will happen, and what kind of scenario is this, nuclear blackmail has begun, the russian foreign ministry reports, ukraine has begun preparing an attack on the kursk npp in order to blame russia later, it is supposed to use charges with radioactive warheads and... yellow waters have already been brought into the city, western intelligence agencies are supervising, the head of magatek is ready to go to kursk to inspect the situation, why do they need a man-made disaster? it's all very simple, it's within the framework of of this big scenario for raising the stakes, and the fact is that it is already obvious that the task of the ukrainian leadership is the utilization of the ukrainian population, war to the last ukrainian, they do not hide this and the liberation of areas, including agricultural land, which they will then give to blackrock and other

american companies, that's all, and remember, in this studio we have repeatedly said that the ukrainian government will engage in nuclear terrorism and nuclear blackmail when they will sag on front, they will simply barricade themselves in the as and threaten the whole world, look at what they have sunk to this week , they have banned the church, the canonical ukrainian church, the most sacred and the last thing that ukrainians have left, and you know, i can’t call it anything else, like a satanic sabbath, despite this there were 29 heroes of ukraine, deputies who spoke out against it, and four more abstained, that is, they are the last thing that people have left, they no longer have shelter, husbands, children, they have no children they took everyone to europe, for some reason they accuse us of kidnapping, not women, women were taken away too,

everyone knows what they do there, they have left... so that nothing would fly in, if they were sure that a big war in europe with the participation of germany, france, poland, russia, belarus, broke out, it would not affect them in any way, it would affect them in what way, missiles, so that they would not fly to them, but who cares, burn here with fire, that's their real attitude, by the way, for me the interview the president gave, in many ways an appeal to european leaders, that's it

they should listen to the president, he really warns them where they are being dragged... all of europe and that putin and lukashenko see this scenario today and are actually saving europe from this, they criticize our leaders, and i would pray in their place, and imagine today, they are constantly dreaming of a change of power in russia or belarus, and where are they so sure that other leaders will not come, taking into account the demands of the population now in russia and belarus for sometimes tougher retaliatory measures against nato. will the policy be carried out for them, that we will save them constantly from these situations, so let them pray to lukashenko and putin, that they are adequate, calm, that means, they respond to aggression without fear, but not without unleashing some huge conflict, everything could have developed completely differently, they are just responsible leaders who actually think about peace. andrey, attempts to attack

the nuclear power plant, by the way, zaporizhzhya we constantly see these shellings, strikes on the kursk region, it looks, well, actually, like that very. final, last red line, well, the military says that it was necessary to either build a defense along the highway, but they did not reach the glukhov highway, kursk, so if they do not reach it, they go in such a sleeve towards the station to set up artillery there, to hit it with a guide, 15 km, well, some kind of minimum range, that is , today this is what they can still try to do, that is, further there can still be control there of the water obstacle, so today they are blowing up bridges there on the siem river locally, that is, this is already the ceiling of this entire offensive operation, what belarus considers with their own...

while they trample our country like they did with the soviet union 85 years ago, no, so we will respond immediately and adequately, if they want this to not happen, let's sit down at the negotiating table and end this fight, neither the ukrainian people, nor the russians, nor the belarusians need it. they

were born in different parts of the world, i am tarakanova lyudmila, i have been living in belarus for over 30 years, i came from russia, from the ancient city of ryazan. syria is my homeland, i love it very much, but it so happened that i decided to go to belarus, to get education as a cameraman. something for myself, so i'm engaged in the creation of clothes, and it makes me so happy, i'm happy that people use my beauty, use my...

editors club we discovered a completely different africa, yes, it is a region that is difficult to enter, it is easy to enter there, for example, with equipment, bring and sell tractors or bring and sell combines, but to enter there with light industry, to enter there with our health care is more difficult, but this is a long game, this needs to be done right now, a lie, snitching, betrayal, corruption, helplessness, these are the main qualities of a fugitive.

allies, don't miss it on the belarus24 tv channel. it seems to any sane person that you need to put a period and say well, not everything is clear, they said it clearly, here's the boundary, you'll step up, you'll get it while you don't step up, well, everything will be fine, we'll negotiate, but their... long-range missiles and

there's no doubt that they can hand all this over to them, and how can they cool it down then, of course, we often talk about tactical nuclear weapons, but we understand that this is a weapon of last resort some kind of answer, how to answer at all there is another phrase that i love, one of the president's favorite phrases, it's that... okay, talk, talk, we won't believe you anymore, i really like this, because in fact, the only thing that saves belarus from war is the fear of a response, in fact, for a long time, so we need to clearly understand, we have 30 years of independence, yes, they would have attacked us dozens of times, destroyed us, trampled us, why did they attack iraq, why did they bomb yugoslavia, why did they destroy other countries, when they knew, that there would be no response, when they understood that nothing would happen for this, then they would bomb and destroy.

iraq, and syria in their time, those moments,

libya, that's when they even wavered inside society, when a crack appeared, they began to hammer into it, only then will they be able, that is , to overcome this, and this understands, you know what, that in fact, neither russia nor belarus will ever win by military means, everyone in nato knows this, that's why the stake. even these terrorist attacks in the kursk region, they don't hide it, they say: we want to blow up russian society, so that they would begin to put pressure on their government, so they will always have a stake from within, why iraq shiites, sunnis, allavis, kurds, this was, regarding the answer, it would seem, we are sending a signal, no matter what, let's be ready to take part, we clearly stated it at the very beginning, the ukrainian topic, this is our topic, this is our question, because our security directly depends on it...

these acts of resistance, from lvov to odessa, from sumy to nikolaev, that is, throughout ukraine, so only a combination of these two factors, on the one hand, pressure from the armed forces of the russian federation and ensuring the goals of a special military operation, on the other hand, internal resistance, and it would be even better to connect internal active resistance, i have spoken many times on air and addressed the ukrainian military, arrest ex-president zelensky, arrest him, you will simply save people, you will save the people, you will save the country, do not drag out the situation, this is not a fantastic scenario, of course not, of course not, because we have seen it many times in history attempts, examples, including the famous example with adolf hitler, yes, when...

the german military tried to stop the madness, but everything that we see now , in other words, it cannot be called, everything, they invaded the territory of the russian federation, they kill local residents, they load them like cattle in kamaz trucks, you saw all this footage, hostages are being taken out, what is the complexity of the situation, oleg sergeevich said it right, we have power, but we will always be exposed to danger until... this nazi regime is finished, and how to finish it off, including by striking at the decision-making center, if he has completely surrounded these decision-making centers, let's say, even the buildings where they gather, with civilians, even filled them with hostages, and this is a very big difficulty, and this difficulty can only be resolved by such synergy, on the one hand, pressure from the armed forces -

the russian federation, as you rightly said, patient fulfillment of the goals of the svo, yes, constant, minute-by-minute, painstaking, expansion of the goals of the special military operation and - expansion of the negotiation track, from my point of view there can no longer be talk about four regions, because what we observed, rus schwein, belarus and schwein, we will observe in neighboring regions, in nikolaev and odessa, how will we look at this. that is why only this synergy will lead to a result very briefly about the statements from the border committee and the ministry of foreign affairs in relation to us, this is the same provocation, this is an attempt to provoke us with rudeness, from the same series, for example, the statement of several people's deputies of the verkhovna rada after the attack on kursk region, well , why didn't russia drop a nuclear bomb there, well, where is your answer, the same thing and they provoke us, i repeat, we see everything, we are strong, we are smart, we are politicians, we have a real mit,

and not... a propaganda resource, our president is a real president, we see provocations, but we will act not based on your wishes, but based on our national interests, another neighbor, lithuania, god sent neighbors, i want to add to this, well , what can we do, there are no questions for the people, but unfortunately, many ended up hostage at their politicians. so, they ban the entry of belarusian cars, plus fences on the border, plus further saturation of the border area with military personnel, and not their own. the lithuanian ministry of defense announced plans to build a military town for a bundeswehr brigade on the border with belarus. look, we talked about not getting involved in other people's plans, but following our own scenario. and what is the scenario for lithuania, in this general strategy of pressure on belarus on russia? andrei, what do you think? there is one scenario - the neck of the bottle, that is, all these actions they directed against china in the end. that is their task to show that look, that means

belarus with its actions. let's start these elections or the election campaign against the background of negotiations on ukraine, it would be one company, now there is essentially no such chance, they will continue to fight in the kursk region, it turns out that during the election period we have a risk of provocation on the north-western border, yes, where the military appears, there is a risk of sabotage in the south, where

it is mined, of course, but you can cross it on foot and cause us some problems there, there is a risk of the military actions spreading, for example, to bryansk region in parallel, yes, and there is also a risk of terrorist attacks, as is happening in crocus, look, yes, as happened recently in russia, that is, all this. may coincide with the time of our presidential elections, therefore the president, well , if you look at the tone of the interview, he is not very happy about the events that are happening, and moreover, that is, there is such a message that yes, of course, this is an attack there, which has no military sense in general, but this is an unambiguous escalation, this is the scenario they are leading us along and apparently the twenty-fifth year, well, we must be prepared that it will also happen, of course, in the end with some negotiations, but apparently for now the scenario is postponed, that is, we are still playing in... such a burnt fortress, that is, there are still problems with the baltics, the poles will still be active there, but what are we doing, we are moving to an internal topic, yes, i think, these political prisoners, supposedly yes, whom, that is, we are taking certain steps to soften, now we will step towards it, but first of all, lithuania, yes lithuania, lithuania

is a yogshevsky terrier that wants to be a german shepherd, because it really can't do anything here, but it growls and barks more than anyone else, it's a tool, this tool arose after the collapse of the ussr, initially... the americans created it as a springboard not only for the fight against russia and belarus, by the way, it's also a springboard for the division of europe, and the actions of lithuania, remember the nord stream that was blown up, who was the most active against the nord stream, the baltics, poland, these are the countries, who most of all, in fact, need cheap electricity, gas, oil, and why did they speak out, they spoke out from american interests, here it is the same, again, if you take lithuania, they destroyed their economy, they stopped. where no one except us will vacation, no germans will go there in thousands, these are fairy tales, so we again did not follow the scenario, we introduce visa-free travel, they are furious

about this, why did the ban go beyond transport, how to limit the travel of lithuanian citizens who do not believe the propaganda lithuanian, they still continue to go on holiday, at the beginning they, this decision was not made immediately, at first the authorities said:

a fugitive is located, they were also touched upon by the president during a recent meeting on the military situation, we will recall a small fragment now. outside our country, from among, especially our fugitives, who left, belarus, various kinds

of banners are being formed and, as they loudly call regiments, entire corps in order to invade belarus in a certain period of time in... take power, turn the country back, we too we have seen this and we know it, knowing this, we have always prepared for this. look, on the one hand you observe these detachments, as they call themselves regiments, banners there, yes, and you think, well, from a purely military point of view, they are nothing, but they are discussed at such a high level, and therefore not just like that, which means they can still be used somehow, so let's tell those who do not understand why so much attention is paid to this, how they can be used against us, well look, there is a problem in a broad sense in a narrow sense, that is, in a broad - this is the activity of azov, which has been carried out in ukraine since 2015, it is a point of attraction for such radical individuals from all over the cis

, russian-speaking, former citizens of russia are fighting there, former citizens of belarus, georgia, yes, that is, this is the nazi ideology that is legalized there, this is a big problem, which even with negotiations, most likely will not go away, this will then be some kind of internal radical political force in ukraine, our, let's say, defectors who are there today, they will join them, in a narrow sense, this is sabotage component of such attacks, here is the kursk region, that is , large mechanized units are actively operating there, therefore our task is again to understand how decisions are made in this sabotage, let's say, component, that is, to whom they are subordinate, they are subordinate to ukraine or the americans or the british or the poles, there are different structures there, therefore in each country they work separately on them, there is no common center, the most dangerous direction is the ukrainian direction, recently in kobrin they renamed a street kalinovsky, why is this a clear signal that you wanted to take some area, and you portrayed it as some kind of military target, that is, they are waiting for you there and your small sabotage units will receive... a worthy rebuff, that is, we understand your plans, that is, we need

to reveal this, make it public, thus reducing some probability of such an attack, in military terms, of course, without nato, as oleg said, they will not do anything, but we must understand that all this is combined, here is the northwest, here is the southern border, here is terrorist attacks, here are the elections, here are other problems in russia, when will all this be together, even such a small threat, which separately is easily stopped, it will play a role for, say, so that straw breaks the camel's back, like this, and even easier for all viewers.

serious diseases, there are people of retirement age, all of them sincerely admitted their guilt 14 women, 16 men, some of them have repented of what they did, here, it would seem, well, such an act of humanism, when well, everyone should say, well, yes, here i admit, and they, i mean the fugitives, felt it and actively broadcast it as a personal threat, what is the threat to them, when he releases people, the president makes such a decision.

about help, about pardon and instead of becoming a superhero in their eyes, they tried to, well, also demonize you, yes once again, well, to this tactic, and how did people perceive it, those whom you called, if you really called, that is, it can be as a legend, you communicated before, you probably have connections from the twenties,

let's say, remained, you know, you know, that's it the most important point, people have lived through all this, their relatives of the convicted, right?

some future of our opposition, this is what it will be like not now, not in a year, but in 5 years, will it be irreconcilable and radical, like these military formations, or will it be non-radical and reconcilable, yes, constructive, if we ourselves do not make it like that, then it will be the worst case scenario, therefore the state gives some signals to the west, to our internal protest group, that look, without breaking the law, you will have one set of conditions, breaking it, you you get the status there, that is, of a convicted person and so on, that is, in principle, as i see it, this is... a model, well, i think that some kind of future of our political field, the people whom we see today, this is the third, probably, even echelon, not the second, that is, not the first there, yes, who are still in places not so remote, these are people who, let's say, need to be shown a little, what it means, your opposition group is not monolithic, not everyone there wants to continue the struggle at any cost, not everyone

supports ukraine, even your relatives, this means and moreover, the people who come out, they are ready, well, to behave normally , law-abidingly, not to commit any crimes, this is a signal, by the way, here is the center... who are sitting in the west, that in principle it is not so promising for them to work with anyone here, that is, what is here will be under state control, your regiments there, the banner, please, do it, but this is very convenient for us, this is a picture of military intervention, they promise only one thing: war, an attack, there, that means, bombing, this is beneficial to us, that's it these people who are inside the country must show themselves from the best side, i think that yuri will still have his say there on this topic, yes, regarding the word, another very important point, as soon as they started...

and give people who have truly repented this chance, they ask: will there be any pardon in the future, including taking into account such provocative actions of the leadership of the fugitive.

thank you for this conversation, the time for communication in this first block is over, i say goodbye to our participants and thank them for opinions that have been expressed here, but i am not saying goodbye to our viewers, in a couple of minutes there will be another conversation about the essence of our time, sergei kruginyan, stay with us, a russian public figure and political scientist is in touch with us. hello, we are glad to meet again, thank you for being with us again, always

with you, well, let's start with the kursk region, after all, firstly, for you this invasion, it was a surprise, no, it was not a surprise for me, because after all, and i am on the issue of what is happening, well, i am somehow busy separate... position from significant groups, so to speak, which continue to defend a certain, well, how can i say it, moderation of everything that is happening in ukraine, this very principle, we have been talking about war for a long time, and not about the svo, but nevertheless, this term continues to remain, and it is becoming increasingly paradoxical due to the fact that this war is already taking place on the territory of the russian federation. but it seems to me that this is not even the main thing, it seems to me that it is absolutely unacceptable in today's situation, firstly, any

whatever, the hat-throwing mood, and whatever, the understatement of the strength of the ukrainian enemy, all this oh-oh there, the devil is on the side, a bow, now everything will fall apart and so on and so forth, this is a little neurotic, you know, such a step for...

if they, i beg your pardon, are attacked, a modern term, they immediately move away, or something, this is not in practice, in the psychotype in everything, therefore, of course, these questions are also significant, because every time it is said, now we will measure, now something will happen, the seriousness of what is happening again, it is underestimated, and the tactical task then was in kursk for the ukrainian armed forces, well , first of all, by those who stand behind them, yes, in the west, so tactically they... what did they want to achieve with this? and they wanted to show that they are cool, everything is so simple, that they, so to speak,

can still, there is time, they somehow once... yes, they really captured prisoners, the exchange will take place, this is a tragic event for which someone must be responsible for this stupidity, for how exactly they prepared and so on, well, you need to answer, a tragic event one way or another will be like would have been overcome, in war, as in war, yes, in this regard, precisely, that one cannot say, big deal, no, one must assess the scale

of the tragedy, draw conclusions, say: as if the positions where they held the line are going further and further, yes, in addition, i would like to say about this separately, the reaction of the population as a whole is extremely impressive, yes, this volunteer activity, you want, ordinary russian people who are there in cars collecting refugees or the wounded and everything else, the nation absolutely did not panic, unlike

some oligarchs, and did not declare that tsk-tsk, oh-oh, iran-israel will go up in flames or not, this is how you see the balance of power in this field, who has a stronger position now, i remember that in our last interview, we touched on this issue and so far it is going according to the scenario that you then clearly laid out for us. now you have an adjusted forecast and how do you see it? israel, the cat.

side, cafes, mafeshki, everything else, everything has decomposed a little, everything has arisen according to the principle, as if - the sweetness of life is more valuable than victims, yes, it has not yet become denmark or holland, thank you, but there are already gay parades in sacred places and so on and so forth, everything that seemed impossible, it is not a knight's castle placed in an islamic sea. it is already such a heterogeneous society, a little military, a little consumer, yes, it could not cope with hamas, it, being an order of magnitude stronger than hamas, could not cope with it, it could not even clean it up, and the main problem arises, never...