joe biden through the punch on the probable, explain your relation. he is not timid either. this could be a real brawl. joe: we thank our panel, they will watch and listen with us, and be back with us on the other side. rick davis and kristen hawn. we will go through this for 90 minutes, and on the other side we will have a report from the spin room analyzing what we see and hear tonight. kailey: we will have coverage from 10:30 to 11:00 after this reps, the first time a current and former president have debated each other, and the first time they have shared estate since 2020. joe: the cnn presidential debate live on bloomberg tv and radio. ♪

jake: we are live from georgia, a key battleground state in the race for the right. in moments the current u.s. president will debate the former u.s. president as their parties presumptive nominees, a first in american history. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world in our studio in atlanta. this is the cnn presidential debate. >> this debate is being produced by cnn and is coming to you live on cnn, cnn international, cnn.com, cnn espanol. this is a pivotal moment between president joe biden and former president donald trump in their rematch for the nation's highest office. each will make his case to the american people would just over four months until election day. good evening. i am dana bash. and co-anchor or state of the

union. jake: i'm jake tapper. dana and i will co-moderate. our job is to facilitate a debate between the two candidates tonight. before introduce them i will share the rules of the debate with the audience at home. former president trump will be on the left side of the screen, president biden appearing on the right. a coin toss determines their positions. each candidate will have two minutes to answer a question and one minute each for responses and rebuttals. an additional minute for follow-up clarification or response is at the moderator's discretion. dana: when it is time for a candidate to speak, his microphone will be turned on his opponents microphone will be turned off. should a candidate interrupt when his microphone is muted he will be difficult to understand reviewers at home. at the end of the debate, each candidate will get two minutes for closing statements. there is no studio audience

tonight. prewritten notes, props or contact with campaign staff are not permitted during the debate. by accepting our invitation, both candidates and their campaigns agreed to accept these roles. jake: now please welcome the 46th president of the united states, joe biden. pres. biden: good to be here. thank you. jake: and please welcome the 45th president of the united states, donald trump. gentlemen, thanks so much for being here. let's begin the debate and start with the issue that voters consistently say is their top concern, the economy. president biden, inflation has slowed but prices remain high.

since you took office the price of essentials has increased. for example, a basket of groceries that cost $100 then now costs more than $120. and typical home prices have jumped more than 30%. what do you say to voters who feel they are worse off under your presidency than they were under president trump? pres. biden: you got to take a look at what i was left with when i became president. when mr. trump left. we had an economy that was in freefall and the pandemic was so badly handle, many people were dying. all he said was it is not that serious. put bleach in your arm and it will be all right. the economy collapsed. there were no jobs. unemployment rate rose to 15%. it was terrible. and so what we had to do was try to put things back together again. and that is exactly what we began to do. 15,000 new jobs, we brought out -- where we have 800,000 n ew manufacturing jobs. but the working class people are still in trouble. i come from scranton,

pennsylvania, i come from a household where the kitchen table if things were not met during the months it was a problem. the price of gas and the price of housing and the whole range of things, that is i'm working so hard to make sure i deal with those problems. and we will make sure that we reduce the price of housing. we will make sure that we build 2 million new units and cap rents. the combination of what was left with corporate greed is the reason why we are in this problem right now. in addition to that, we are in a situation where if you have to look at all that was done in this administration, he didn't much at all. by the time he left, things were in chaos. literally chaos. so we put things back together, we created those jobs, we made sure we had a situation where we know we brought down the price of prescription drugs which is a major issue for many people. $15 for an insulin shot as opposed to $400. no senior has to pay more than $200 for any drug, any drugs

they need beginning next year. we will make that available to everybody, to all americans. so we are working to bring down the price of around the kitchen table. and that is what we will get done. jake: thank you, president trump? mr. trump: we had the greatest economy in the history of our country. and we have never done so well and everybody was amazed by it. other countries were -- we got hit with covid, and when we did we spent the money necessary so we would not end up in a great depression the likes of which we had in 1929. by the time we finished we did a great job. we give a lot of credit for the economy a lot of credit for the military, and no wars and so many other things. everything waslooking good, and what we never got the credit for and we should have covid was getting us out of that covid mess. -- that covid mess. he created mandates that was a disaster for a country. but other than that we had given him back a country where the stock market actually was higher than pre-covid.

the only jobs he created are for illegal immigrants and bounceback jobs, the bounce back from the covid. he has not done a good job. he has done a poor job in inflation is killing our country. it is absolute killing us. jake: thank you, president biden? pres. biden: look, the greatest economy in the world, he is the only when it thinks that. i do not know anyone else who thinks we have the greatest economy in the world. in the fact of the matter is that we found her self in a situation where his economy, he rewarded the wealthy. he had the largest tax cut in american history, $2 trillion, he rates at deficit larger than any president has in any one term. he is the only president -- other than herbert hoover that lost more jobs than he had when he began. since herbert hoover. the idea that he did something significant in the military, you know, when he was president, they were killing people in afghanistan. he did not do anything about that. when he was present we were still finding ourselves in a position where -- when he was

president we were so funny or something we said we had the notion where we were safe country, the truth is, i am the only president in this century that does not have any, this decade that does not have any troops dying anywhere in the world like he did. jake: president trump, i want to follow up if i can. mr. trump: i would like to respond to him. jake: you can do whatever you want with them in that we give you. you want to impose a 10% tariff on all goods coming into the u.s. how will you ensure that does drive prices higher? mr. trump: it will cost countries that have been ripping us off, like china and other countries that will forces -- force them to pay us a lot of money and reduce our deficit but he made a statement the only thing that was right about as i gave you the largest tax cut in history. i also gave you the largest regulation cut in history. and that is what we had all the jobs on the jobs went down and then they bounced back and he's taking credit for bounceback jobs. you cannot do that. he also said he inherited 90%

inflation. no, inherited almost no inflation and it stayed that way for 14 months and then it blew up under his leadership because they spent money like a bunch of people that did not know what they were doing. and they don't know what they were doing. it was probably the worst administration in history. there has never been. as far as afghanistan is concerned, i was getting out of afghanistan or getting out with dignity, with strength. with power. he got out, it was the most embarrassing day in the history of our country's life. jake: president trump, over the last eight years, the national debt soared to record highs. and according to a new nonpartisan analysis president trump, your administration approved $8.4 trillion in new debt while so far president biden have approved $4.3 trillion in debt. former president trump, many of the tax cuts are set to expire next year. you want to extend them and go even further you said. with the u.s. facing trillion dollar deficits and record debt, why should top earners and

corporations pay even less in taxes than they do now? mr. trump: because the tax cuts for the greatest economy we've ever seen prior to covid and even after, we were able to get through covid much better than just about any other country. but we spurred, the tax spurred, now, when we cut the taxes, as an example, the corporate tax was cut down to 21% from 39%, plus beyond that. we took in more revenue with much less tax and companies would bring them back trillions of dollars back into our country. the country was going like never before. and we were ready to start paying down debt. we were ready to start using the liquid gold right under our feet, the oil and gas right under our feet. we were going to have something that nobody else has had covid. we got hit with covid. we did a lot to fix it. i gave him an unbelievable situation with all of the therapeutics and all of the things that we came up with. we gave him something, remember, more people died under his administration even though we

had largely fixed it, where people died under his administration than our administration and we were right in the middle of it, something which a lot of people do not like to talk about. but he had far more people dying in his administration. he did the mandate which was a disaster, mandating it, the vaccine went out, he won them as she did a mandate which was the thing that people most objected to about the vaccine and he did a very poor job, just a very poor job. i will tell you, not only poor there but throughout the entire world we are no longer respected as a country. they do not respect our leadership. they do not respect the united states anymore. we are like a third world nation between weaponization of his election, trying to go after his political opponent. all the things he has done, we have like a third world nation. and it is a shame. the damage she is done to his country and i love to ask him, and will, why he allowed millions of people to come in from prisons and jails in mental institutions, to our country and destroy our country. jake: president trump we will

get to immigration later in this block. president biden i want to give you an opportunity to respond about the national debt. pres. biden: he had the heart largest national debt of any four year o present number one. numbertwo, the task of benefited at the very wealthy. we have 1000 billionaires in america. what's happening. we are in a situation where they in fact pay 8.2% in taxes. if they just paid 24%, 25%, either one of those numbers, they would invest $500 billion in a 10 year period. it would wipe out his debt and help to make sure that we -- all the things we need to do, child care eldercare, making sure that we continue to strengthen her health of system -- our health care system to make every single solitary person eligible for what i have been able to do with, with the covid, excuse me, with dealing with everything we

have to do with, look, if we finally beat medicare. jake: president trump? mr. trump: he was right, he did beat medicaid, he beat it to death and he's destroying medicare because all of these people are coming in. they are putting them on medicare, they are putting them on social security. they are going to destroy social security. this man is going to single-handedly destroy social security. these millions and millions of people coming in they are trying to put them on social security. he will wipe out social security. he will wipe out medicare. so he was right in the way he finish that sentence. and it is a shame what is happened to our country in the last four years is not to be believed. foreign countries, i am friends with a lot of people, they cannot believe what happened to the united states of america. we're no longer respected. they don't like us. we give them everything they want stupid.

what we're countries and they do nothing for us and what this man has. done dana: this is the first presidential election since the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. this morning the court ruled on yet another abortion case temporarily allowing emergency abortions to continue in idaho despite that states restrictive ban. former president trump, you take credit for the decision to overturn roe v. wade which abortion abortion returns the issue of to the states. mr. trump: correct. dana: however, the federal government still plays a role in whether or not women have access to abortion pills. they're used in about 2/3 of all abortions. as president, would you block abortion medication? mr. trump: first of all the abortion pill and i will not block it. and if you question that you are

asking, the complex but not really complex 51 years ago, you had roe v. wade and everybody wanted to get it back to the states, everybody, without exception. democrats, republicans, liberals, conservatives, everybody wanted it back, religious leaders. and what i did is of our three - - i put great supreme court justices on the court and they happen to vote in favor of killing roe v. wade and moving it back to the states. this is something everybody wanted. 10 years ago or so they do this -- they started talking about how many weeks and getting into other things but every legal scholar, throughout the world, the most respected wanted it brought back to the states. i did that. now the states are working it out. if you look at ohio, it was a decision that was, it was an end result that was more liberal than you would've thought. kansas, i would say the same thing. texas is different. florida is different. but they are all making their own decisions right now. and right now the states control

it. that is the vote of the people. like ronald reagan, i believe in the exceptions. i am a person that believes. anne frankly -- and frankly, you have to follow your heart. some people do not believe in that but i but people -- believe in the exceptions for rape and zest and the life of the mother. i think it is very important. follow your heart. but you have to be elected also, because that has to do with other things. you got to get elected. the problem is that they are radical because they will take the life of a child in the eighth, ninth months and even after birth, and if you look at the former governor of virginia he was going to do this, he said we will put the baby aside and we'll determine what we do with the baby. meaning that we will kill the baby. what happened is we brought it back to the states in the country is now coming together on this issue. it has been a great thing. pres. biden: it is been a terrible thing that you have done. the fact is that the vast majority of constitutional

colors supported roe what it was decided, supported roe. this idea that there were all against it is just ridiculous. and this is the guy who says the state should be able to have -- we are -- in six weeks, you do not know if you are pregnant or not but you cannot see a doctor or have him decide on what your circumstances are and when you need help. the idea that states are able to do this is like saying we will turn civil rights back to the states and each states can have a different repair look, there are so many young women who have been included, only young woman who was murdered and he went to the funeral. in the idea that she was murdered by an immigrant coming into, you talk about that. here's the deal. there is a lot of younger women that can be raped by their in-laws, by their spouses. brothers and sisters. by just it's just ridiculous. and they can do nothing about it. and they try to arrest when they cross the state line. mr. trump: there have been many

young women murdered by the same people he allows to come across our border. we have a border that is the most dangerous place anywhere in the world. considered the most dangerous place anywhere in the world. and he opened it up in these killers are coming into our country. and they are raping and killing women and it is a terrible thing. as far as the abortion is concerned, it is back with the states, the states are voting and in many cases it is a liberal decision and in many cases it is the opposite but they are voting and it is bring it back to the voted the people which is what everybody wanted, including the founders if they knew about this issue. which frankly, they didn't. but everybody wanted it brought back, ronald reagan wanted it barked back. he was not able to get it. everybody wanted it brought back in many presidents had try to get it back. i was someone to do it. and again, this gives it the vote of the people. and that is where they wanted it. every legal scholar wanted it that way. dana: staying on the topic of abortion president biden, seven

states, i'll let you do that, the same topic, seven states have no legal restrictions onhow how far into her pregnancy a woman can obtain an abortion. do you support any legal women's on how late a woman can terminate a pregnancy? pres. biden:i supported roe v. wade, that had three trimesters. the first time was between a woman in the doctor and a second time is between the doctor and an extreme situation. the third time is between the, i mean, between the woman in the state. the idea that the politicians, that the founders wanted the politicians to be the ones making decisions is ridiculous. no politician can make that decision. a doctor should be making those decisions. that is how it should be run. that is what you're going to do. and if i'm elected, i will restore roe v. wade. mr. trump: so that means he can take the life of the baby in the ninth month and even after birth because some states, democrat run, take it after birth.

again, the former governor of virginia put th babye down, when we decide what to do with it. he's willing to come as we say, rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month and kill the baby. nobody wants that to happen, democrat or republican, nobody wants that to happen. pres. biden: that is simply not true. roe v. wade does not provide for that. it is not the circumstance. only a woman's life is in danger, she will die. that is the only circumstance in which that could happen. but we are not for late-term abortion. period. period. mr. trump: under roe v. wade, you have late-term abortion. you can do whatever you want depending on the state, you can do whatever you want. we do not think that is good thing. we think of that is a radical thing. we think the democrats are the radicals, not the republicans. pres. biden: for 51 years, that was a law. 51 years. 51 years that with the right way to go and it was taken away because this guy put very conservative members on this up in court and takes credit for taking it away. what is he going to do in fact if the maga republicans, he gets

elected, and the maga republicans control the congress and pass a universal ban on abortion at six weeks or seven or eight or 10 weeks, something very conservative is he going to sign that bill? i will veto it. he will sign it. dana: thank you. jake: let's move on to immigration and border security. president biden, a record number of migrants have illegally crossed the southern border on your watch. overwhelming board and states in cities such as new york and chicago and causing real safety and security concerns. given that, why should voters trust you solve this crisis? pres. biden: because we work very hard to get a bipartisan agreement, not only -- that would not only change all of that, we made sure that we had a situation where you had no circumstance we could come across the border with a number of border police we have now. we see typically increased the number of asylum officers, by the way, the border patrol and

endorsed me and endorsed my position. in addition to that we find ourselves in a situation when he was president he was taking, separating babies from their mothers, putting them in cages. make sure the families were separated. that is not the way to go. what i've done since i've changed the law what's happened? i've changed in a way that now you are in a situation where there are 40% fewer people coming across the border illegally. it is better than when he left office. and i'm going to continue to move into we get the total ban on the tota initiative relative to what we can do with more border control and more solemns. -- more asylums. mr. trump: i do not know what he said at the end of that sentence. i do not think you know what you said her look, we had the safest border in the history of our country. all he had to do was leave it. all he had to do was leave it. he decided to open up our border, open up our country to people that are from prisons, people that are from mental institutions and -- insane

asylums. iteris. we have the largest number of terrorist, all terrorists, not just in south america, all over the world to come from the middle east and everywhere. all over the world they are pouring in, and this guy just left it open and he did not leave the legislation. i say close the border. with the safest border in the history in that final couple of months of my presidency, we had according to border patrol, who is great and by the way who endorsed me for president but i wont say that. they endorsed me for president. random, just speak to them. but look, we had the safest border in history. now we have the worst border in history. there has never been anything like it and people are dying all over the place including the people that are coming up -- pres. biden: the only terrorist who cross the border is one who came along and killed three -- under his administration, an al qaeda person came in and his administration and killed three american soldiers, killed

american soldiers. that is the only terrorists. i'm not saying iteris ever got through but the idea that they're emptying their prisons. that is simply not true. there is no data to support what he said. once again, he is exaggerating, he's lying. jake: president trump, staying on the topic of immigration, you said that you will carry out "the largest musket deportation operation in american history." does that mean that you will deport every undocumented immigrant and american including those who have jobs, including those whose spouses are citizens and including those who have lived here for decades, and if so, how will you do it? mr. trump: just one second, he said we killed three people. the people be killed are al-baghdadi and salomé, the two biggest terrorists anywhere in the world that a huge impact on everything, not just border, and everything. he is the one that killed people with the bad order, including hundreds of thousands of people dying and also killing our citizens when they come in.

we are living right now in a rats nest. they are killing our people in new york, california, and in every state of the you and because we are not borders anymore. every state is now a border. and because of his ridiculous, insane, and very stupid policies, people are coming in killing our citizens at a level we have never seen, we call it migrant crime. i call it biden migrant crime. they are killing our citizens at a level that we have never seen before and you are reading it like he's three incredibly young girls over the last few days, one of them i just spoke to the mother, and they just had the funeral for this girl. 12 years old. this is horrible what is taking place. what has taken place in our country, we are literally, and uncivilized country no. he does not want it to be. he just does not know. he opened the borders. no one has ever seen anything like. and we have to get a lot of these people out and we have to get them out fast because they will destroy our country. just take a look at where they are living. they are living in luxury

hotels. in new york city and other places. our veterans are on the street, they are die because he does not care about our veterans. he does not like the military at all. and he does not care about our veterans. i had the highest approval rating for veterans, taking care of the v.a. he has the worst, he has got rid of all of the things i proved, choice, that i got through congress. all of the different things i approved. they abandoned. we had by far the highest and now it is now in less than half because he has done all of these great things that we did, and i think he did it just because i approved it, which is crazy. but he is killed so many people at our border by allowing all of these people to come in. it is a very sad day in america. pres. biden: every single thing he said is a lie. every single one could for example, veterans are a helluva lot better off. one million of them now have insurance and their families have it because of what happened whether it was agent orange or burn pitts, they're being

covered now. and he opposed, his group oppose that. and also the situation where, i have great respect for veterans, my son spent a year in iraq, came back with stage four neuroblastoma. i was recently in france for d-day and i spoke to all of those heroes -- about the heroes that died. i went to the world war i cemetery. i was standing with a four-star general and he told me, i do not want to go in there because they're a bunch of losers and suckers. my son was not a loser and a sucker. you are the loser. jake: president trump? mr. trump: first of all that was a made up quote. it was a third rate magazine that was failing like many magazines. he made it up, we put it in commercials, we notified them. we had 19 people that said i did not say it. who would say, i'm in a cemetery on talking about our veterans because nobody is taking better care -- i am so glad this came up. and he brought it up.

there is nobody that has taken better care of our soldiers than i have. to think that i would in front of generals and other say suckers and losers. we have 19 people that said it was never said by me. it was made up by him just like russia, russia, russia was made up, just like the 51 intelligence agents are made up. just like the new thing with the 16 economists are talking, the same thing. 51 intelligence agents said that the left of was russia disinformation, it wasn't. that came from his son hunter. that was not russian disinformation. he made up the suckers and lo sers. she should apologized to me right now. pres. biden: a four star general said you said it. that's number one. a number two, the idea that i'd have to apologized to you for anything, we've done more than any president has done in history. for veterans. and now in their family, the only sacred obligation we have

is a country is to care for our veterans when they come home and their families and equip them when they go to war. that is what we are doing. that is what the va is doing now, doing more for veterans and never before in our history. dana: let's move to the topic of foreign policy. i want to begin with russia's war against ukraine, which is now in its third year. former president trump, russian president vladimir putin says he's only end this war if russia keeps the ukrainian territory it has already claimed and ukraine abandons its bid to join nato. are putin's terms acceptable to? mr. trump: first of all, our veterans and our soldiers cannot stand this guy. they think he is the worst commander-in-chief and that is what you call him. that we have ever had. they cant stand him. so let's get that straight. and they like me more than just about any of them. and that is based on every single bit of information. as far as russia and ukraine, if

we had a real president, a president that new, that was respected by putin he would have never, he would have never invaded ukraine. a lot of people are dead right now, much more than people know. they talk about numbers. you can double those numbers, maybe triple those numbers. he did nothing to stop it. and fact i think he encouraged russia for going in. i will tell you what happened here he was so bad with afghanistan, it was such a horrible embarrassment, the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country, that one putin watch that and he saw the incompetence, he should've fired those generals like i find that when you mention. so he has no love lost. but he should've fired those generals, no general got fired for the most embarrassing moment in history of our country. afghanistan. where we left billions of dollars of equipment behind. we lost 13 beautiful soldiers. and 38 soldiers were obliterated. and by the way we left american citizens behind. when putin saw that he said, you know what? i think we are going to go in

and maybe take my, this was his dream, i talked to him about it, his dream. the difference is he never would've invaded ukraine. never. just like israel would have never been invaded -- in a million years by hamas. you know i? because iran was broke with me. i would not let anyone do business. they ran out of money, they had no money for hamas, they had no money for terror. that is why you had no terror at all here in my administration. this place, the whole world is blowing up under him. dana: president biden? pres. biden: never heard so much malarkey in my whole life. the fact of the matter is that we are in a situation where let's take the last point first. iran attacked american troops, killed and caused brain damage for a number of these troops. and he did nothing about it. he was president. they were attacked and he said they just are having headaches. he didn't do a thing when they attacked took place, number

one. number two, we got over 100,000 americans out of afghanistan paid number three, we found yourselves in a situation where if you take a look at what trump did, this guy told trump do whatever you want and do whatever you want. and that is exactly what trump did to putin, encouraging, do whatever you want and -- you listen to what he said when he went in. we will take kyiv in five days because it is part of the old soviet union and that is what he wanted to reestablish, kyiv. he didn't do it at all and was not able to get it done. and they lost thousands and thousands of troops, 500,000 mr. trump: troops. mr. trump:i never said that. dana: i want to go back to my original question which are putin's terms acceptable to you keeping the territory in ukraine? mr. trump: no, they are not acceptable. but look this is a war that never should have started. if we had a leader in this work,

he led everybody along, he has given $200 billion now or more to ukraine. that is a lot of money. i do not think there is ever been anything like it. every time that zelenskyy comes to this country he walks away with $60 billion. he is the greatest salesman ever. and i'm not knocking him. i'm not knocking anything. i'm only saying, the money that we are spending on this war and -- it shouldy happened. i will have that were settled between putin and zelenskyy before i take office on january 20. i will have that were settled. people being killed so needlessly, so stupidly, and i will get it settled in that it will get it settled fast before i take office. dana: you have one minute. pres. biden: the fact is that putin is a war criminal, he has killed thousands and thousands of people. and he has made one thing clear. he wants to reestablish what was part of the soviet empire, not

just a piece, he wants all of ukraine. that is what he wants. and then you think you will stop there? do you think he will stop if you take ukraine? what do you think happens to poland, what do you think happens to belarus and those native countries? so, if you want to work, you have to find out what he's going to do, because if in fact he does what he says and walks away, and by the way, all that money we give ukraine, the weapons we make here in united states, we give them the weapons, not the money at this point. and our nato allies have produced as much for ukraine as we have. that is why we are strong. dana: moving on to the middle east. in october, hamas attacked israel, killing more than 1000 people and taking hundreds of hostages. among those held and thought to still be alive are five americans. israel's response has killed thousands of palestinians and created a humanitarian crisis in gaza. president biden, you have put forward a proposal to resolve

this conflict but so far hamas has not released the remaining hostages, and israel is continuing its military offensive in gaza. so, what additional leverage will you use to get hamas and israel to end the war? pres. biden: number one, everyone from united nations security council straight through to the g7 to the israel is and netanyahu have endorse a plan to put forward which has three stages. the first state is trade the hostages for a cease-fire for the second phase is a cease-fire with additional conditions and the third phase is the end of the war. the only one that once the war to continue is hamas, number one. we're still pushing hard to get them to accept. in the meantime, what has happened. in israel we are finally -- the only thing i denied israel was the 2000 pound bombs.

they don't work very well in populated areas and they kill a lot of innocent people. we provided israel with all the weapons they need and when they need them. and by the way, i am the guy that organized a war against iran when they had a full intercon abundant ballistic attack on -- had a full-blown intercontinental ballistic missile attack on israel. we saved israel. we are the biggest producer of support for israel of anyone in the world. and so, there are -- they are two different things. hamas cannot be allowed to continue. we continue to use -- as to how they can get hamas like we did bin laden. and by the way, they have been greatly weakened hamas, and they should be. they should be eliminated. but you have to be careful for using certain weapons and -- in population centers. mr. trump: getting back to ukraine for one second. we have an ocean separating us.

the european nations together have spend $100 billion or may be more than that, less than us, white -- why doesn't he call them and get them to put the money, i got them to put hundreds of billions and the secretary-general of nato said that trump did the most incredible job -- they were going out of business. we were spending almost 100% of the money that was paid by us. he didn't do that. you got to ask these people to put up the money. we are over 100 billion dollars more spent than it has a bigger impact on them because of location because we have an ocean in between. you got to ask them. as far as israel and hamas, israel is the one that wants - -he said the only one i want to keep going is hamas. israel should go. you should let them finish the job. he has become like a palestinian but they don't like him because he is a very bad palestinian. he is a weak one. dana: president biden you have

one minute. pres. biden: i have never heard so much foolishness for this is the guy that wants to get out of nato. are you going to stay in or pull out of nato? our strength lies in our alliances as well. there may be a big ocean but were he ever able to avoid a major war in europe? what happens if in fact you have putin continuing to go into nato? you have an article v agreement, the attack on one is the attack on all, you do you want to start the nuclear war, let putin go in and control ukraine and then move on to poland and other places. what happens then? he has no idea what the hell he's talking about. by the way, i got 50 other nations around the world to support ukraine, including japan and south korea because they understand that this was, this kind of dislocation has a serious threat to the whole world peace. no major war in europe has ever been able to be contained just to europe. dana: president trump just a follow-up, would you support the creation of an independent palestinian state in order to

achieve peace in the region? mr. trump: i would have to see but before we do that, the problem we have is that we spend all the money. so they kill us on trade. i made great trade deals with the european nations because if you add them up, they are about the same size economically, their economy is about the same size as the united states, and cars, they do not want anything that we have but we are supposed to take their cars, the food, their agriculture, their everything. i change that. but the big thing i changed as they do not want to pay. and the only reason that he can play games with nato is because i got them to put up hundreds of billions of dollars. i said, and he's right about this, i said no, i'm not going to support nato if you do not pay. would you guard us against russia at a very secret meeting of the 28 states at that time, nations at that time, and i said on, if you don't pay, i will not do that. and you know what happened? billions and billions of dollars

came floating in the next day and the next months, but now we are in the same position. we are paying everybody's bills. jake: let's turn to the issue of democracy. former president trump, i want to ask about january 6, 20 21, after you rallied your support that day, some of them stormed the capital to stop the constitutionally mandated county of electoral votes. as president, you swore a note to "preserve protect and defend" the constitution. what do you say to voters who believe you violated that o.a.t. for your -- through your actions and inaction on january 6 and worry that you will do it again? mr. trump: i don't think many believe that. let me tell, on january 6, we had a great border. nobody coming through. very few. on january 6, we were energy independent, on january 6, we had the lowest taxes ever. we had the lowest regulations ever. on january 6, we respected all over the world. all over the world we were respected. and then he comes in, and we are not laughed at like a bunch of

stupid people. what happened to the united states reputation on this man's leadership is horrible, including weaponization, which i'm sure at some point you will be talking about where he goes after his political opponent because he cannot beat him. jake: my question was what you say to those voters who believe that you violated your constitutional oath through your actions and inaction on january 6, 20 20 and worry that you will do it again? mr. trump: i didn't say that to everybody, i said peacefully and patriotically and nancy pelosi, if you just watch the news for two days ago, on tape to her daughter, who is a documentary filmmaker, they say, what she's saying, oh, no, it was my responsibility paid i was responsible. because i offered her 10,000 soldiers or national guard and she turned him down. in the matter, in writing, the mayor in writing turned it on, the mayor of d.c. they turned it down, offered 10,000 because i could see, i had virtually nothing to do,

they asked me to go make a speech. i could see was happening. everyone was saying that they would be there on january 6, they will be there and i said, you know what? that is a lot of people, you could feel it, you could feel it, too. i said, they ought to have some national guard and i offered it to her and she now admits that she turned it down. and it was the same day, she was she can't be very happy with her daughter because it made her into a liar. she said i take full responsibility for january 6. jake: president biden? pres. biden: look, he encouraged those folks to go up to the u.s. capitol. i sat in a dining room off the oval -- he sat in a dining room off the oval office, he sat there for three hours watching it being begged by his vice president and his colleagues and republicans to do something. to call for a stop, to end it. instead, he talked about these people being patriots and great patrons of american. in fact, he says he will not

forgive them for what they have done. if they have been convicted he says he wants to commute their sentences. and say that, you know, he went to, every single court in the nation, i do not know how many cases scores of cases including the supreme court and they said no, no, this guy is responsible for doing what is being done. he -- he didn't do a damn thing. and these people should be in jail and they should be held accountable and he wants to let them all out and now he says -- the whiner that he is, that would be a bloodbath? jake: president trump? mr. trump: what they have done to some people that are so innocent, you ought to be ashamed of yourself, how you have destroyed the lives of so many people. when they ripped down portland, when they ripped it down many other cities, you go to minnesota, minneapolis, what they have done there with the fires all over the city. if i did not bring in the national guard, that city would have been destroyed.

when you look at all of the, they took over big chunks of seattle. i was all set to bring in the national guard, they heard that, they saw them coming and they left immediately. what he said about this whole subject is so often. peacefully, patriotic. one other thing. the un-sellect committee, all democrats. they destroyed and deleted all of the information they found because they found out we were right. we were right. and they deleted and destroyed all of the information. they should go to jail for that. if republicans did that, they would go to jail. pres. biden: the only person on the stage that is a convicted felon is a man i'm looking at right now. and the fact of the matter is, he when -- what he's telling you is simply not true. the fact is that there is no effort on his part to stop what was going on. up on capitol hill. and all those people, every one

of those that were convicted could divert -- deserves to be convicted. the idea that they did not kill somebody, they broke down doors and broke the windows, occupied offices, turned over desks, turned over statures, the idea that those people are patriots? come on. when i asked him, the first of two debates we had the first time around, i said, will you denounce the proud boys? he said, no, i'll tell them to stand by. the idea he is refusing, to denounce these guys. you denounce the people were talking about now? you denounce the people that attacked the u.s. capitol? what are you going to do? jake: i'm going to give you a minute, president trump, for a follow-up question i have. after a jury convicted you of 34 felonies last month, you said if reelected you would "have every right to go after" your political opponents. you just talked about members of the select committee on january 6 going to jail. your main political opponent is standing on stage with you

tonight. can you clarify exactly what it means about you feeling you have every right to go after your political opponents? mr. trump: i set my retribution is going to be success, we're going to make this sick country successful again because right now it is a failing nation. my retribution is going to be success but when he talks about a convicted felon felon, his son is a convicted felon at a very high level. his son is convicted and will be convicted probably numerous other times. should've a been convicted before but his justice department let the statute of limitation lapse and the most important things. but he can be a convicted felon is soon as he gets out of office, joe could be a convicted felon with all the things he's done, he's done horrible things. all of the death cost at the border, telling the ukrainian people that we're going to want $1 billion if you change a prosecutor. if i ever said that, that is quid pro quo. we're not going to give you $1 billion unless you change the prosecutor, having to do with his son. this man is a criminal. you were lucky.

you are lucky. i did nothing wrong. we have a system that was rigged. i did nothing wrong. jake: president biden, i'm coming right to, sir. i'll give you a minute to respond. pres. biden: the idea that i did anything wrong relative to what you're talking about is outrageous. it's simply a lie, number one. number two, the idea that you have the right to seek retribution against any american just because you are president is wrong. no president has ever spoken like that before. no president in our history has spoken like that before. number three, the crimes that you are still charged with, think of all of the civil penalties, how many billions of dollars do you owe for molesting a woman in public, for doing a whole range of things of having sex with -- with a porn star while your wife was pregnant? what are you about. you are worse than delicate. mr. trump: i did not have sex

with a porn star, number one. number two, that was case that was started, they moved a high-ranking official into the manhattan das office to start that case. that case is going to be appealed and won. we had a very terrible judge, a very terrible judge, horrible judge, democrat. the prosecutor, we were -- were all high-ranking democrats, pointed people and both the civil and the criminal. he basically went after his political opponent because he thought he was going to do it -- it was going to damage me but when the public found out about these cases because they understand better than he does. he has no idea what these cases ours. but when they found out about these cases you do what they did? my poll numbers went way up, you know that because you're reporting it and we took in more money in the last two weeks that we have ever taken in the history of any campaign i do not think any campaign has ever taken hundreds of millions of dollars came pouring in because the public knows it is a scam. and it is a guy that is after his political pull to because he cannot win fair and square.

jake: president biden, you had said "donald trump and his maga republicans are determined to destroy american democracy." do you believe that the tens of millions of americans who are likely to vote for president trump will be voting against american democracy? pres. biden: the more they know about what he's done, yes. the more they know about what he's done. and there is a lot more coming. he is a lot more cases down the road coming around. he has a whole range of issues he has to face. i do not know what the juries would do but i do know he has a real problem. and so the fact that, because you ever think you hear any president say that i'm going to seek retribution? did you think you would her present essay, i thought that hit their had good ideas. what got me involved after the my first -- did you ever want hear a president say, i thought hitler had good ideas. what happened in charlottesville

. they sang back in germany, and the young woman i spoke to the mother and they asked him, they said, what you think of those people, the people who the ones that got killed, and the one that tried to stop it and he said that i think there are five people on both sides. what american president would ever say not just coming out of fields, carrying torches, cararying-- carrying swastikas. the guy that says that hitler has done some good things. this guy has no sense of democracy. mr. trump: jake, both of you know that that has been totally wiped out because when you see the sentences set 100% exoneration. he says he read because of charlottesville p did not run because of charlottesville he ran because it was his last chance, he's not equipped to be president. you know it and i know it, it is

ridiculous. we have a debate, we are trying to justify his presidency. his presidency, without question, the worst president, the worst presidency in the history of our country. we should not be having a debate about it. there is nothing to debate. he made up the charlottesville story. and you will see, it is debunked all over the place. every acre, any reasonable -- every reasonable anchor has debunked it. and just the other day came out where it was fully debunked. it is a nonsense story. he knows that. and he did not run because of charlottesville. he use that as an excuse to run. pres. biden: debunked? it happened. all you have to do is listen to what we said at the time. and the idea that somehow that is the only reason i ran, i ran because i was worried a guy like this could be elected. if you thought they were good people coming out of that forest, carrying those torches, then he didn't deserve to be present, did not deserve to be president at all, and the idea that he's talking about all of this being fabricated, we saw

with our own eyes, we saw what happened on january 6, we saw the people breaking windows, we saw people occupying, his own vice president, there is a reason why 40 of his 44 top cabinet officers refused to endorse him this time. his vice president has not endorsed him this time. whyh? why? they know her well paraguay are they not endorsing up? jake: we will be right back with more from the cnn a presidential debate. ♪

♪ dana: welcome back to this cnn presidential debate live from georgia. let's talk about the challenges you both faced in your first terms, and you would certainly face again in a second term. president biden, while black unemployment dropped to a record low under your presidency, black families still earn far less than white families. black mothers are three times more likely to die from pregnancy-related causes and black americans are imprisoned at five times the rate of white americans. what do you say to black voters who are disappointed that you have not made progress? pres. biden: acknowledge made a lot of progress, number one. more small black businesses have been started than at any time in history. number two, the wages of black

unemployment is the lowest level it has been in a long time. number three, we find -- housing for black americans in dealing with segregation that existed among these corporate, these corporations to keep people out of their houses. in addition to that, we find that the impact of, on the -- choice that black families have to make relative to childcare is incredibly difficult. we did the first major piece of legislation that passed, i was able to reduce black childcare costs, i cut them in half, in half. we have to make sure we provide for childcare costs and make sure because when you provide those childcare protections, you increase economic growth because more people can be in the job market. so there is more to be done. considerably more to be done. but we have done a great deal so far, and i'm not letting up and

they know it. dana: you have 49 seconds left. what do you say to black voters who are disappointed with the progress so far? pres. biden: i say i don't blame you for being disappointed. inflation is still hurting a badly. for example, i provided for the idea that any black family, first-time homebuyers to get a $10,000 tax credit to be able to buy their first home. so they can get started. i made sure that we are in a situation where all of those black families and those black individuals had to take out student loans and were ballo oning, if they were engaged in nursing, doctor, anything heading at -- having to do with volunteers and, if they pay their bills for ten yeasr, all the rest is forgiven. and millions have benefited from that. and we will do a whole lot more for black families. dana: president trump? mr. trump: any cost to the inflation. he's right. it has been very bad.

he because the inflation and it is killing black family is and hispanic families and just about everybody. it is killing everybody. they cannot buy groceries anymore. they look at the cost of food where it is doubled or tripled and quadrupled. they cannot live. they are not living anymore. hhe calls this inflation. i gave him a country with no, essentially no inflation. it was perfect. it was so good. all he had to do was leave it alone. he destroyed it with his renew scam, and all of this money that is being thrown out of the window. he cost inflation. as sure as you are sitting there, the fact is that his big kill on the black people is the millions of people that he is allowed to come into the border they are taking black jobs now and it could be 18 in 19 or even 20 million people, they are taking black jobs and they are taking hispanic jobs. and you have not seen it yet but you will see something that is going to be the worst in our history. dana: thank you. president biden? pres. biden: there was no

inflation when i became president, you know why? because the economy was flat on his back, 15% unemployment. he decimated the economy. absolutely decimated the economy. that is why there was no inflation, there were no jobs, provide thousands and millions of jobs for individuals who were in -- including minority communities. we made sure they had health insurance. we have covered, with the aca, i made sure that $8,000 per person in a family to get written off in health care. but this guy wants to eliminate that, they try 50 times and he wants to get rid of the aca again and they will try again if they went. we find ourselves in a position where the idea that we are not doing, i put more, we put more police on the street, then any administration has. he making sure people have a shot. there is a lot going on. he caused inflation by his

tremendous malfeasance in the way he'd handled the pandemic. dana: another consistent challenge is the climate crisis. we are facing the devastating effects of extreme heat, wildfires, and rising sea levels. you have about two in -- vowed to end your opponents initiatives. mr. trump: almost every police group in the nation from every state is supporting donald j. trump. almost every police group. what he has done to the black population is horrible. he called them super predators in the 1990's. that was his name. and they have taken great offense at it. now they see what is happening.

when they see what i have done for the historically belak -- black colleges, i got them funded. tim scott was incredible. one of the most successful things in the country. they are saying these are the best numbers ever. he has lost much of the black population. because he has done a horrible job for black people. wait till you see these millions of people pouring into the country were taking the jobs. it has already started. you've not seen anything yet. it is a disaster. dana: will you take any action as president to slowly climate

crisis? mr. trump: i want immaculate, clean water. and absolutely clean air. we had it. we have the best numbers ever. we were using all forms of energy. everything. and yet during my years i have the best environmental numbers ever. my top environmental people gave me that statistic just before i walked on the stage. pres. biden: i don't know where the hell he he has been. the idea that anything he just said is true. i passed the most extensive climate change regulation in history. black colleges, i came up with $15 million for them. because they do not have the kind of contributors to build these laboratories and the like.

now they will be able to get those jobs. the idea that he is claiming to have done something to have the cleanest water, he has not done a dam thing for the environment. i immediately joined the paris climate accord. he did not do a thing about it. mr. trump: the paris accord was going to cost us a trillion dollars. china nothing and russian nothing and india nothing. it was a ripoff of the u.s. and i ended it because i did not want to waste that money because they treat us horrible. nobody else was paying into it. it was a disaster. everything he said just now, i heard him say about insulin.

i am the one who got it down for the seniors. what he is doing is destroying our medical programs because migrants coming in, they want everybody, i have the biggest heart on this stage. i want to take care of people. but they are destroying our country. they will be taking over social security. he is destroying social security, medicare, and medicaid. pres. biden: the idea, we were the only ones of consequence who were not members of the paris climate agreement. how could we not do anything? we are making significant progress. and we will continue to do so.

thousands of young people will learn how to deal with the climate. we are moving in directions that will have significant change. the idea that he claims that he has the biggest heart up here eddie is really concerned with pollution and climate, i have not seen any indication of that. with regard to prescription drugs, one company agreed that they would reduce the price. i made sure every company did that. jake: every day, millions of americans struggle. social security can provide a lifeline. if nothing is done to social security, seniors will see the benefits cut in just over 10 years. can you name today one specific step you are willing to do to

keep social security solvent? pres. biden: make the very wealthy pay their fair share. millionaires should pay 1%. i have not raised the cost of social security for anybody. i will begin to make the wealthy pay their fair share. to guarantee the program for life. jake: are there any other measures to help keep social security solvent? pres. biden: that one enough will keep its solvent. the biggest thing i will do, he wants to get rid of social security.

if you look at the program put forward by the house republican caucus that he supports, they want to cut it. the idea that we don't need to protect our seniors is ridiculous. the american public has greater health care coverage today than ever before. you are in a circumstance where 400,000 people would not have insurance because of pre-existing conditions. we are in a situation where we talk about education for the black communities. i have raised the amount of money for these programs. he does not know what he is talking about. mr. trump: i have dealt with

politicians all of my life. i have on on this side of the equation for the last eight years. i have never seen anybody lie like this guy. about so many other things. we mentions the laptop and russia and ukraine. everything he does is a lie. it is misinformation and disinformation. that story he made up is a live. it is a disgrace. social security, he is destroying it. millions of people are pouring into our country and they are putting them onto social security and medicare and medicaid. they are putting them in hospitals. what are they are doing to veterans is unbelievable. he does not know what he is doing. it is really coming back. i've never seen such anger in

our country before. pres. biden: the idea that veterans are not being taken care of, he said he fired that general. he got fired because he is the one who acknowledged that that is what he said. the idea that we are going to be in a situation where millions of illegal aliens are coming into the country and taking away our jobs, there is a reason why we have the fastest growing economy in the world. the most successful economy in the world. we are doing better than any other nation in the world. economists all said that if trump is reelected, we will have a recession. and inflation will go up.

he was voted the worst president in the history of the u.s. jake: let's turn to the cost of childcare. you have tried to address this issue. but the average cost of childcare in this country has risen or than $11,000. the cost of childcare for two children is often more than rent. in your second term, what would you do to make childcare more affordable. mr. trump: i fired that general because he was no good. that's what he made that up. we have 19 people who say i didn't say it. the other thing is, he does not follow people. i have never seen him fire anybody. i fired a lot of people. a lot of the top people. i drained the swamp. it is not easy to fire people. you pay a price for that. i inherited them.

i fired him. this guy has not fired anybody. he should have fired every military man that was involved with the afghanistan horror show . the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country. did you fire anybody on the border? that has allowed us to have the worst border in the world. did you fire them? our country is being destroyed as we sit up here and waste a lot of time at this debate. this should not be a debate. he is the worst president. in the history of our country. he has destroyed our country. now he's trying to get a little tough on the border. he came out with a nothing deal. it reduced it a little bit. it is insignificant.

he wants open borders. he wants our country to be destroyed or to pick up those people as voters. we just cannot let it happen. if he wins this election, our country does not have a chance. not even a chance of coming out of this. we probably won't have a country left anymore. he is the worst in history by far. pres. biden: we are the most admired country in the world. we are the united states of america. there is nothing beyond our capacity. we have the finest military in the history of the world. no one thinks we are weak. no one wants to mess around with us. the idea that we are talking about worst presidents. i was not joking. look it up. presidential historians have had meetings and they have voted. he was the worst president in american history. they said he was the worst in

all of american history. that is a fact, that is not an gesture. he can argue that they are wrong but that is what they have voted. the idea that he will do anything to deal with childcare, we should increase the childcare tax credit. the availability of single parents to be able to go back to work. we should encourage businesses. jake: the question was about what you would do to make childcare more affordable. mr. trump: we have polling and other things that rate him the worst because what he has done is so bad. i will show you. they rage me one of the best. if i'm given another four years, i will be the best. nobody has ever created an economy like us. he wants to raise your taxes four times.

he wants to raise everybody's taxes. he wants to trump tax cuts to retire. nobody ever heard of this before. all my life i grew up and i saw politicians talking about cutting taxes. apple and all of these companies were bringing money back into our country. the worst president in history by far and everybody knows it. pres. biden: he is dead wrong. he will increase taxes on middle-class people. i said i would never raise a on anybody making less than $40,000. everybody says that will cost the americans thousands of dollars. they will have to pay the difference. he is in a situation where he

talks about how he somehow helped the middle class. the middle class was devastated by you. now you want a new tax cut. that will fundamentally bankrupt the country. you have the largest deficit of any president in american history. you have not in fact made any contact or progress with china. we are in the lowest trade deficit with china. jake: thank you. let's discuss an epidemic, the opioid crisis. the number of overdose deaths in this country has gone up under both of you. despite the efforts you have made, thousands of americans are dying every year. what will you do to help

americans right now in the throes of addiction who are struggling? mr. trump: we now have the largest deficit in the history of our country. with china. he gets paid by china. he is a manchurian candidate. i think he is afraid to deal with them. he never took out my tariffs because we taken so much money with those. he can't because it is too much money. there was more to come. he cannot cut the tariffs. there is too much money. he has the largest deficit in the history of our country. china will own us. they are telling us. you cannot let that happen. you are destroying our country. jake: the question was what will

you do to help americans in the throes of addiction who are struggling to get the treatment they need? mr. trump: we were doing very well on addiction until covid came along. we had years like nobody has any had. then we had to get tough. the drugs pouring across the border. they have the most incredible dogs. we were getting very low numbers. have you seen the numbers now? it is not just 18 million people. i believe that is low. the amount of drugs and human trafficking in women. the worst thing i have ever seen. numbers nobody has ever seen.

because the border is so bad. the number of drugs coming across our border now is the largest we have ever had by far. pres. biden: sentinel went down. i want to make sure we did that. these big machines. they cost a lot of money. that was part of the deal we put together. a bipartisan deal. machines able to detect drugs. more agents at the border. when we had that deal done, he went and called his republican colleagues and said don't do it. it will hurt me politically. he never argued it was not a good bill. it was a good bill. we need those machines. we are coming down hard in every country in asia. mexico is working with us to make sure they have the technology to put it together.

we need those machines. jake: the question is about americans and the throes of addiction right now struggling to get the treatment they need. mr. trump: he ended remain in mexico. he ended catch and release. we have so many things we have done. hard negotiations with mexico and i got it all for nothing. now we have a hostage. a wall street journal reporter. a good guy. he is over there because putin is laughing at this guy. i will have him out very quickly. literally as soon as i win the election i will have that reporter out. he should have had about a long time ago.

this tag pays it every time. he paid $6 billion for five people. i got 58 people out and i paid essentially nothing. dana: this turned to concerns that voters have about each of you. you will be 86 at the end of your second term. how do you address concerns about your capability to handle the toughest job in the world? pres. biden: i spent half my career being criticized for being the youngest person in politics. i was the second youngest person ever elected to the senate. disguise three years younger and a lot less competent. look at what i've done. i turned around a hard situation he left me. more investment in america. billions and billions of dollars.

we brought an awful lot of people and the whole idea of computer chips. we invented those chips. and we lost it because he was sending people to find the cheapest jobs overseas. i went to south korea. i convinced them to invest billions of dollars here in the u.s. to build these chips. you don't need a college degree for that. there is about $40 billion. creating significant jobs and americans. dana: would you like to add anything? pres. biden: the idea that somehow we are a failing country . i have never heard of president gauck like this before. we are the envy of the world.

name me a single major president who would not trade places with america? with all of our opportunities. we are most aggressive at getting things done. we are the strongest country in the world. we keep our word and everybody trusts us. all of our allies. he sends love letters to putin. they don't want to mess around with us. dana: you would be 82 years old at the end of your second term for what you say to voters who have concerns about your capabilities. mr. trump: i took a couple of cognitive tests and aced them. he took none. i would like to see him take one. i took physical exams every year. i am in very good health. i just want a couple of club

championships. you have to be quite smart and be able to hit the ball a long way. he can't hit a ball 50 yards. he challenged me to a golf match. i think i am in very good shape. i feel like i am in as good of shape as i was 30 years ago. i feel very good. i feel the same. i was willing to take a cognitive tests. he was a great guy. i took another one. one of them said they had never seen anybody do that. pres. biden: you can see that. anyway, just take a look at what he says he is and then take a look at what he is.

i told you before, i am happy to play golf if you carry around bag. think you can do it? mr. trump: that is the biggest lie of all. pres. biden: let slacks like children. dana: will you pledge tonight to once all legal challenges have been exhausted that you will accept the results of the selection regardless of who wins? and you will say right now that political violence in any form is unacceptable? mr. trump: i should not have to say that because i believe that.

nobody ever talks about that. they talk about the small number of people who went to the capital. they were ushered in by the police. nancy pelosi said it was her responsibility, not mine. if the election is fair and free and i want that more than anybody. i wish he was a great president. because i would not be here right now. i would be enjoying myself. i would not be under indictment. he indicted me because i was his opponent. i wish he was a great president. i would not be here. the only reason i am here is he is so bad as a president that i will make america great again. we are a failing nation right

now. because of him. his policies are so bad. his military policies are insane. these are wars that will never end.we are closer to world war iii than anybody can imagine. and he is driving us there. kim jong-un and president xi of china, putin, they do not respect him or fear him. they have nothing going with this gentleman. they will drive us into world war iii. pres. biden: there is a thing called article five. an attack on one is an attack on all. the idea, i cannot think of a major leader in the world who

would not trade places with the job i have known. we are a powerful nation. because of the people, not me. the american people are capable of anything. they step up when we are needed. we are needed to protect the world. if you want to have a war, lit putin take kyiv. then you have a war. dana: the question was with you accept the results of the selection regardless of who wins? mr. trump: just to finish what he said. russia took a lot of land from bush, obama, biden. they took no land from trump. he knew not to do it. he never played games with me. he took nothing from me.

now he will take the whole thing from this man right here. that is a war that should have never started. they would have never started with me. he will take ukraine. you asked me if i would do this. he has us in such a bad position right now with ukraine and russia because ukraine is not winning that war. he said i will never settle. they are running out of people and soldiers. it is so sad. they have lost so many people and they have lost those gorgeous cities all because of him and stupid decisions. russia would've never attacked. dana: the question is will you accept the results of the election regardless of who wins? mr. trump: if it is a fair and legal and good election, absolutely. i would've much rather accepted this. but the fraud and everything else was ridiculous.

we can have a news conference on it in a week or another one of these. i will absolutely, there is nothing i would rather do. it would be much easier for me to do that and running again. i was not really going to run until i saw the horrible job that he did. he is destroying our country. i would be very happy to be nice somewhere else. no indictments or political opponents stuff. that is the only way he thinks he can win. unfortunately it has driven my numbers up to a high level because the people understand. pres. biden: we will see what your numbers are when this election is over. ura whiner and when you lost the first time you appealed all over the country. not one single court in america said any of your claim said any merit. but you continue to provoke this

lie about their is all this misrepresentation. there is no evidence of that at all. i doubt that you will accepted because you are such a whiner. . you cannot stand to lose. something snapped in you when you lost last time. dana: we will be right back with more.

♪ jake: it is now time for the candidates to deliver their closing statements as predetermined by a coin toss. pres. biden: we have made significant progress after the debacle left by president trump. we have to make sure we have a fair tax system. i asked anybody out there in the audience to say that the taxes are fair. this guy has increased your taxes. he has increased inflation because of the debacle he left.

he finds himself in a position where he now wants to tax you more. he wants to get rid of the ability of medicare to negotiate drug prices. she the government does not have to pay those exorbitant prices. i will make that available to everyone. everyone in america. i will make sure that we have

child care. we will do something about lead pipes and all of the stuffs causing health problem for people. we will continue to fight to bring down inflation and do people a break. mr. trump: like so many politicians, this man is just a complainer. we want to do this and do that. but he doesn't do anything. all he does is make our country unsafe by allowing millions of people to come in. our military does not respect him. we looks like fools in afghanistan. what happened in israel was horrible. iran was broke. they had no money whatsoever.

ukraine should have never happened. we have been living in hell. we have the palestinians and everyone else writing all over the place. the whole country is exploding because of you. because they do not respect you and i have to respect their president. they don't respect to throughout the world. what we did was incredible. the reason he has jobs is because i cut the regulations. but he's putting a lot of them back. all of the things we have done, you have never seen anything like it. even the medical support. now you can go and get something. you sign a document. they have been trying to get it. what we did for the military was

incredible. for our soldiers. instead of waiting for three months to see a doctor, they can go get themselves fixed up and take care of themselves. that is why i had the highest approval rating. we are in a failing nation. but it will not be failing anymore. we will make a great again. dana: thank you. stay with us because we have full analysis of this debate. >> welcome back to our special coverage of the presidential debate. we just witnessed 90 minutes of debate between a former and current president for the first time in history. joe biden often struggled and

stumbled over his words. donald trump appeared much more energetic and forceful. he often said things that were not factual. joe biden perhaps plaintiff years about his age. >> this was an interesting exercise. we had one break and one for the end. the cnn moderators did not make any attempt to fact-check either of the candidates. i guess i will be the job of our panel. >> joe biden accused him of lying.

these candidates were asked questions that they did not answer. talking about other subjects entirely. >> we will walk you through some of the highlights, if we can call them that. of this first debate in the cycle. and we will have analysis ahead. >> let's check in at the spin room in atlanta. that was something to behold. at times it was uncomfortable. how do things feel? >> i think you have lay that out just as i witnessed it. the contrast was really stark in terms of their presentation.

donald trump would often take a moment to go back to something else that was talked about. we didn't get a lot of substance. he was using january successes pivot moment for the economy. a bit of news from the former president on abortion. it has been in the news.

he said he defers to the states. >> let's talk about it. how are the two campaigns presenting themselves. what are you seeing? >> it is a bit quiet.

maybe we can pick up something she is saying. looks like she is speaking live now. i saw her from afar. >> he is the democratic nominee and he will be on the ballot and we will defeat him. this was an overwhelming knockout victory by president trump against a weak joe biden. >> that is alisa's defy, the

congresswoman from new york. she is the only surrogate i am seeing on the floor. that was something that the former president return to time and time again. you saw joe biden trying to contextualize the economy that he inherited. i found a halting the way he was able to deal with that issue. >> these are the conversations that will lead to the coverage tomorrow. we reassemble our political panel. both of your phones were blowing up through that debate.

they were talking about his voice. >> i think it it was unfortunate that he had a cold and the delivery might not of been what we wanted. i was trying to take notes of all the lies and the -- my hand started hurting. she is taking credit for the insulin prices going down. wildly wrong claims. we just saw the man live.

why would any woman ever believe him? he has no idea. i wasn't expecting anything different. despite the delivery. there could not be two more distinct choices. that was true before tonight and it is still true tonight. and it will be true tomorrow. >> trump did lie at times. but biden struggled to relate

the facts. i'm looking at the traffic on social media. many are suggesting that the democrats will have to put someone else forward as the nominee after tonight. >> we were trying to handicap this debate going into it. what would trump need to do? he accomplish those things. he got hot for the end of the debate. he delivered on the style. the only thing anybody expected joe biden to do was convince us that his age is not a factor. he did not accomplish that task. you mentioned it very clearly.

this inability to finish sentences. he had a hard time getting his notes out. joe biden's job was to be the fact checker. but instead he excepted any topic that donald trump wanted to talk about. not necessarily with a fact check. there was more of a personal response. that is what people will take away from this debate. this was an intensely personal debate. neither one of them delivered in a kind of good outcome for themselves.

the performance by joe biden has to create questions. whether or not they have somebody who is up to the election. >> let's give a taste. talking to donald trump about morals. pres. biden: the crimes you are still charged with. how many billions of dollars to you of civil penalties. having sex with a point star while your wife was pregnant. what are you talking about? you have the morals of an alley cat. >> i'm not sure how many twentysomethings have ever heard that word used in that way. sometimes he's not able to get all the words out. and his voice was struggling.

freezing up at times. democrats will be upset about this. how can you with a straight face tell people you will be in good shape running this country? >> he was trying to fit too many things into his answers. trump is good at taking what idea and running with it. trying to fit too much. >> a lot of questions about his travel strategy. >> i don't know where he needs to be. he will have some work to do. >> as we consider what this debate was about, we are analyzing the performance. they did at times talk about

policy. joe biden was talking about economic policy and what he wants to do with taxes. trump said tariffs will not drive prices higher. for a boater sitting at home, do you think any of that realistically broke through? or was the performance aspects to distracting? >> i think it was very hard to get past the performance. and the hatred between them. they talked to each other more than they talked to the american people. that was a stark departure for joe biden. i think it was relatively void of any real policy prescriptions. the closing statements didn't really punch through.

joe biden talked about making the tax code fair but he didn't give any real details about what that would look like. donald trump does what he does every single day on the campaign trail. he mixes things up and he talks about how great they are. i'm sure his campaign was cringing when he got into a contest ofhe mixes things up w'm distinguish themselves rather well. it was such a disaster. about who had a better golf game. who has something that i can latch onto? neither one of them was able to accomplish that goal. >> that is saying something.

it could play poorly for both candidates. the bureau chief says no democratic surrogates on the floor. how long will it take the party to come to an answer to this? >> i think they will have to talk about it immediately. i think the campaign is ready to do that. if you are going to look at the president is right on the issues, he was up against a liar . the performance was not what it needed to be. the campaign will have to be out there talking to people about what makes him different. why these issues are so important to the american people. that is not an easy thing to do. >> i will point out that we are now two weeks out from the sentencing of donald trump in new york.

we are just days away from getting the supreme court decision on presidential immunity. there could still be much to develop in this race and yet it feels like something shifted this evening. >> we will see how it feels like tomorrow. we will be back to hash out the details. thank you to our guests. a perfect pail with some smart insights. we have a lot to learn tomorrow as the campaigns get on the road. we will have another debate in september, assuming that takes place. that finishes our coverage of the debate. >> thank you for joining us.

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>> it is almost 11:00 a.m. in hong kong. mocon to bloomberg markets: asia. here are the top stories this morning. the first debate in the u.s. president rematch sees joe biden and donald trump trade accusations over the economy, foreign policy and their fitness for office. also ahead, india set to lure billions more inflows today. and asian equities gaining ahead of the fed's preferred inflation gauge out later friday. japan's topix is set for a 34 year high. it was a 90 minute exchange with president joe biden stumbling through exchanges as he faces off former president trump in their first televised election debate. the candidates sparred over the economy, abortion laws, and geopolitical issues. mr. trump: countries have been

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