>> from the heart of where innovation, money, and power collide, this is bloomberg technology with caroline hyde and ed ludlow. caroline: i'm caroline hyde. ed: i'm ed ludlow in san francisco. this is bloomberg technology. caroline: we bring you the latest in markets as nvidia struggles. we will talk macro and micro. ed: the latest from washington as the supreme court sends social media laws back to lower court. caroline: qualcomm is the new sponsorship on the front of shirt for manchester united.

first, we check in on markets. we are struggling for direction. we start the new half of the year and we are up about 0.1% on the nasdaq more broadly, but it seems to be the bond market dictating. yields push higher some eight basis points. read that as you will. worries about what is happening in the united states in terms of fiscal spending coming who runs the country post november? and has the political risk been a relief over in france? the cac 40 rising as we see a push to curtail the most right wing of policies that could be enacted in france as many rushed to see what happens in the second round of voting. let's have a look at what is happening in terms of crypto. we are up 1.4%. a bit of a risk on attitude in terms of bitcoin. what are you watching one of the micro? ed: let's start with in video --

nvidia. reuters citing sources that french antitrust regulators are getting ready to charge nvidia over anticompetitive practices. you remember those dawn raids in the french offices in september. the stock is off session lows and broadly speaking, chip stocks are lower anyway. there has been selling across the philadelphia semiconductor index. we will go to craig trudell to preview numbers. then there is the qualcomm manchester united front of shirt sponsorship tie up. it says snapdragon. we will show it to you. by the way, it is july 1. happy third quarter to you, caroline. happy second half of the year. this is the s&p 500. at the start of the year, the

s&p 500 is up about 14%. where the s&p 500 has risen by double digits in the first half of the year, more often than not , it has gone on to have pretty big gains in the second half of the year. what happens next? this chart would indicate that we continue to climb higher. do we? who knows? caroline: there is someone who might well know and that is nancy, you are such a voice for us when it comes to artificial intelligence. i'm curious as to whether you think the second half will bode well if you are long some of these name like nvidia and the chip stocks? nancy: trees don't grow to this guy, so we need to recognize that these stocks have run a lot already. nvidia has a lot of new product

development. we have blackwell coming in in 2025. there is quite a lot of product development. nvidia does enjoy a competitive moat in terms of software and hardware. i think we are just beginning in the purchase of these gpu trips -- chips from government and other sectors like health care, the automotive sector. so look, at the end of the day when the stock has risen 150%, there can always be a pullback, but i would say we are still pretty early innings on the nvidia story. ed: we have done a lot of another show of laid -- late about how difficult it is for the sell side to forecast topline growth. you are in the camp of people that says genai is going to change everything, but it is not net -- yet priced in. which sectors is it not yet

priced in for? where is that not being reflected? nancy: i think given what we have seen in the first and second quarter, and particularly the united states, the second quarter all led by the magnificent five, apple and tesla obviously lagged a bit, but it was tech, tech, and tech. i would say genai has been priced into a certain extent to those stocks, but i think the interesting thing is genai is value added across every sector of the economy. or at least that is what we think. therefore, looking ahead, we think genai and its implications for innovation, cost savings, productivity improvements in other parts of the economy is not yet priced in. our view is that earnings growth will broaden and deepen as the year progresses. we think that will lead to a

broadening in market participation. many of our managers, we are open architecture, have been reducing technology to the benefit of other sectors of the economy that will benefit from genai, but also we think will see an acceleration in earnings growth as the year progresses and, frankly, traded when a more attractive valuation. caroline: really important when it comes to publicly traded equities. we can go cross asset with you as well. to private assets and nonpublic companies. we recently had a look at the partnership with private companies from an equity perspective. you are looking at it from a depth perspective as well. where should one be allocating into technology or more broadly? nancy: in technology and more broadly, let's take private credit by way of example. we think it is super interesting

because there is a retrenchment happening on the part of the banks. you also had the stress tests last week. banks need more capital. basil three will be punitive in terms of capital requirements. there is more to market pressures on bank balance sheets. small to medium-sized banks, commercial banks that have very high exposure to commercial real estate sector have been withdrawing from lending. not to mention, funding costs going up. so what is happening here? banks are retrenching from lending, but marquis credit names are coming in and filling the void. we initially invested in private lending, direct lending strategies. more recently, we are evolving and moving into asset-backed lending strategies. these are almost investment grade or in another name investment grade, senior secured, high up in the capital

structure. direct lending is about a 2% premium to high-yield, whereas asset-backed lending is about 4% premium to high-yield. these are being offered to wealth channels in semi liquid form, so is not hugely de-liquid as well. ed: how is the presidential election in the united states going to impact the technology sector? nancy: the presidential election in the united states got rather entertaining last thursday in a sort of cringe way, dare i say. we have a long way to go here before we know whether either candidate or obviously if there is a replacement for biden remains to be seen. but i think tech companies remain strong. neither candidate is anti-tech. they both recognize this is a significant competitive advantage to the united states. i don't see ira for the chips act being rolled back in --

under either candidate. these are all important supports for the tech sector that an addition to the fact that these technology companies are spending huge amounts on genai. 200 billion dollars, the four largest tech companies. nvidia's revenue. we think that continues irrespective of who wins the election. this is a sector that is not really impacted by the election. this is a real secular trend here. ed: nancy curtin, just incredible breadth of conversation, thank you. let's turn back to breaking news out of washington in the last hour. the supreme court out with multiple decisions this morning. let's start with the ruling on immunity on president trump. kailey leinz joining us. you had to process a lot of information in a short period of

time. the immunity decision please. kailey: it is a partial win for donald trump and a partial loss. with the supreme court has ruled is that donald trump is immune from prosecution for official acts that he took while in office, but not for unofficial acts. this court in a 6-3 ruling, the conservatives ruling in the majority, has sent this down back to lower courts. especially the case related to 2020 election subversion in washington. it will be up to the lower courts to decide which is an which is not an official act. this sets precedent for future presidents of the united states. it also effectively makes sure this case will not go to trial before the election in november. the judge has said the parties will have at least three months to prepare for a trial and all

of this official versus unofficial matter will have to be sorted out as well. this does provide a win to donald trump in delaying that trial to a point where likely will not happen until voters make their choice in november. donald trump has spoken on this today, calling it a big win for our constitution and democracy and said he is proud to be an american on truth social. caroline: you are busy, the lower courts are busy. the lower courts will be busy thinking about social media as well. in texas and florida. kailey: this is an interesting and complicated opinion the court handed down. they related to these laws restricting social media companies' ability to restrict content on their platform. what the court has ruled is that those courts need to relook at the first amendment question here, which of course is really the crux of this case. what does and does not violate

the first amendment rights given by the u.s. constitution? they are kicking the can back down, not making a decisive ruling. just as they did in a separate social media case earlier this term, in which they handed a win to the biden administration. in that decision, while it was a win for the administration, they just said the defendants lacked the legal standing to bring the case. both in this case today and that other social media related case, they are not ruling on of the merits, on that key first amendment question. the court hasn't ruled on those things. it is just telling other courts they need to do so. caroline: you always break it down so eloquently. thank you. a lot to digest. coming up, we will turn our attention to the sharing of your cars. the ceo of turo has been added it for a while. ed: some quick breaking news.

the software platform that supports car auto dealers says it sees that systems being restored by early july 4. this is a platform that is front and back office for car dealers and was subject to a hack. july 4 is a key sales period in the united states for cars, along with memorial day and labor day. the systems will be restored by july 4 and that is what we are watching. stick with us. this is bloomberg technology. ♪

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ed: let's talk about technology, travel, and the transportation industry and how turo is trying

to disrupt it. the company recently shared over 70 product updates, aiming to make the rental car experience smoother for consumers. here with more, the ceo, andre haddad. so, normally you would say, i'm going to go to a certain place and i know the date i'm going and then i'm going to try to book a rental car. you have decided one of the things you want to change is that process. you want to pick the car and then work out the location and date later. explain how that is going to work. andre: first of all, thanks for having meet one the show. we are very excited about what we are calling our limitless search capabilities. to give you context, the business has grown quite a bit over the last few years and we have over 370,000 active listings across makes and models. many of our customers have been asking us, it is great we can search by destination and date

as if i'm already keen on going on a trip and i know my dates and destination, but i would like you to show me all the great cars you've got. ed: it is more experiential. take a luxury car, try and ev or something like that. andre: exactly. we have reached a critical mass in all of our markets where we can launch this capability. now, if you are looking to experience that cyber truck or if you want to maybe test drive a rivian before you buy it, you can actually find these all across the country and then you can decide where to go in order to do that. caroline: it's interesting you bring up cyber truck and it is interesting at this moment you are putting out a note trying to describe what the future of transport looks like. you have really articulated how turo has been through the highs and the lows and the macro headwinds of covid and everyone wanting to get back into revenge spending. we are looking at robotaxis.

how would turo survive that pivot in the future? andre: you are right, it has been quite the roller coaster for travel and transportation. covid hit in 2020. then of course there was the collapse of big rental in 2020, 2021. the return of travel, revenge travel. the automotive industry has been changing quite a bit. there has been tremendous inflation in the cost of car ownership and car insurance recently. within that roller coaster of a ride over the last three years, we are very pleased with our performance as a company. we have increased revenue over 400% to $880 million in 2023. we have increased the reach of our community, so we are very pleased with our performance. but it is not the end of the disruption. the disruption continues in the space and we are excited to be part of this new class of companies that are helping

evolve the transportation and travel industries. we think autonomy is a great thing for the industry. we see the future where we have a lot of these ride-hailing short trips being delivered by autonomous services. our business is much more related to much longer trips. our users tend to book a car for 4.5 days on average and they drive almost 200 miles a day. this is a segment that i think is independent of the evolution of robotaxis. ed: if you look at third-party data, you are the bigger player of 22, maybe three. there are some others out there. you have talked about how much the business has ramped up. as is tradition on bloomberg technology when a founder or ceo comes in, how is going public going? andre: i thought we would talk about the 70 product releases today. [laughter] ed: it all points to the idea that there is a lot of momentum

and interest. andre: we are ready to go public. we have updated a few times already over the last few years. but as you know, the financial markets have not been very keen on ipo's over the last couple of years. as soon as that changes, i think we will be ready. ed: i have been a user of turo not just in the united states, but elsewhere as well. it is that experience bit i think i will try out next. we will bring you the latest update for the aptos sacca. you are looking at another name, caroline. caroline: i'm looking at a french billionaire eyeing a latin american telco company. it is flat on the day, but he has offered to buy out the other shareholders in a deal valued at about $4.1 billion, $24 a share. this is bloomberg technology. ♪

ed: it is time for talking tax. bridgewater turns to machine learning. they are set to debut a new fund that will use ai as the primary basis of its decision-making. the fund will debut with $2 billion of capital starting today and will utilize models from openai and perplexity among others. japan's h3 rocket takes light again. the japan aerospace exploration agency saw a successful launch which carried a satellite toward low earth orbit. it is their second launch with no crew on board. the flight comes after numerous blunders and delays for the agency, including an explosion of its smaller epsilon rocket in 2022.

amazon calls for an ai start up. they have hired employees in a move that bolsters a development of advanced ai that can think like a human. amazon will use the depth tack to develop a product that helps automate software workflows. caroline: very interesting. let's go to france because following a months long battle over the future of the i.t. firm atos, once hailed as the rising star of the tech industry in the company, creditors are set to take control of the company. you look at the company from a stress debt perspective. boy, was it stressed. creditors are going to be the savior. >> it has been a months long negotiation. the company started to discuss the situation with creditors in february. it is july already and we finally have an agreement in principle and now it is about

other creditors joining this deal. ed: later in the show, we are going to talk about uefa 2024 of which it is one of the main sponsors. this has been a wild battle. this has been a difficult and ongoing situation read even our producer was like, when does this end? we have been covering this for a while. is there a line of sight for what happens next? >> the restructuring should be wrapped up by the end of the year. what happens next once the company has enough creditors agreeing to this, they start a court process. they ask the court in france to start, which allows the company to get the deal approved. that should happen by the end of the year. caroline: looking at the deal, equity, zilch, zero, goes to nothing. 2.9 billion euros turned into

equity. 1.6 billion euros of new debt. perhaps looking at the deal to sell part of atos to the french government. >> the argument is that creditors like the company a lot and they argue that they will sell it to the french government if it makes sense. otherwise, they are happy to keep it. they don't have any intention to move the headquarters from france. it will still be a french company, even though the revenue, 90% of it, is outside of france. but they plan to stick to it being a french company. that is one of the things that they didn't like. they didn't want to split the company. so the plan for them is we will sell operations if it makes sense or we are happy to keep it together. caroline: walking us through what has been a long fallout at all, still some t's to cross.

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ed: welcome back to bloomberg technology. ed ludlow in san francisco. caroline: caroline hyde in new york. we are being whipsawed by political acts in france and the united states. yields have been fleshing -- pushing higher. the nasdaq 100 up about 0.1% to start off the beginning of the new second half of the year. we are up just a 0.1%. we have the cac 40 up one point 3% as we closed trade in europe. we are seeing some signs of relief after the first round of voting. we are currently up 1.3%. the dollar picked up steam

perhaps on some of the political anxiety in the united states. looking at the individual movers , a topsy-turvy day for the chipmaker. we were dragging on the big benchmarks. even as we get a report saying we will get an antitrust charge coming from france. we are managing to be resilient. she we off by 5.9%. a roller coaster ride for this particular name. this is all about keith gill, this is about ryan cohen not only being the leader of gamestop, the cofounder of chewy, to big long is coming, but not enough to stabilize the stock on the longer-term. you have seen record sales coming from this particular company, hybrid and ev's doing particularly well.

you were looking at ev's a little bit more. ed: i'm looking at tesla up 6% in the session. that is the fifth straight day of gains. that is its best winning streak in almost a year. the company is expected to post a drop in quarterly deliveries. i'm looking at the markets. one of the logics appears to be that the domestic is showing really strong data. tesla does well even overall. we expect this continued deceleration in growth. >> also may be chalk this up to have keith gill is back in the headlines, may be one of the ultimate meme stocks is benefiting from meme-y-ness. one analyst after another has

dialed back expectations for this quarters delivery. we do see monthly wholesale data out of china that has not been strong for tesla in the first couple months of this quarter. i think the likelihood of a surprise last month that rescues the quarter for the company seems fairly remote. it really is ahead scratcher. i think just beyond the presence of a bully and some in retail investors always looking ahead to the robotaxi that is coming out in that unveiling in august. caroline: it feels like investors want to go long-term. we are running out of excuses. you have a great story talking about 441,000 ev's being sold

for the second quarter. you can't blame middle eastern supply chain disruptions anymore. >> the company has pointed, he did point to things in the first quarter that really affected the production side. it was reluctant to speak to demand issues. that has been elon musk's mo. for years, he was proven right that he had plenty of demand to work with and that was not the company's problem. we see more and more evidence by the day that this is a company that does have demand issues and a tired lineup at this point and has a lot more competition to contend with. it is still the case that the model y does incredible volume, but it is tough to build on a year when that was the best-selling vehicle in the world and it has only gotten another year older. this was a vehicle that debuted in 2020. generally around this time, you see a refresh which elon musk

has ruled out. what the company does to touch off the next era of growth remains to be seen because i think the expectation is that the robotaxi is more of an idea as opposed to the here and now. ed: fundamentals tomorrow. thank you so much. coming up, we will dig into the private side of the market. we will discuss current trends and are we out of the woods? are we back to all risk on four ceos right now? we are talking the state of the software economy. ed: i have some drama, i have some activist drama. take a look at mossimo health tech wearables. there was a regulatory filing where the ceo of the company is saying that if an activist takes control and tries to remove the

ceo, the coo says, i will resign. as the headline shows, a lot of the staff seemed to agree with that position. a drop of 7.8% is the biggest decline of the week. we have another activist situation on our hands and on this program, we like to track those. stay with us. bloomberg technology. ♪

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ed: this is bloomberg technology and you are looking at a live shot of the principal room. apple, spotify, and i heart. this is bloomberg. caroline: let's talk artificial intelligence. k health has raised $50 million. it provides patients with a chatbot to make primary care more accessible. the company's valuation is

around $900 million. the ceo joins us now. i love the peace that we have basically saying, i'm so done with the hype around ai and i want to see companies using it to fix a world problem. it says you are doing it. how are you doing it? >> we decided to focus on a big problem called primary care. people have chronic conditions, they have preventative needs, and they have acute care. we build software to allow you to engage with patients and with your electronic medical records and it allows doctors to focus on making the decisions and engaging with patients. that is really tough to do. you need to build a lot of intelligence into the system. so we can manage you remotely with primary care but also

integrate you into specialist test labs. caroline: people will recognize you because you are the co-ceo of iwx, you have taken companies public. i'm interested in this particular problem you are trying to solve. how are you measuring success other than being able to raise funds? >> that is the great question. the main focus needs to be on better quality. everybody always complains about health care. we are looking at quality, can we make the doctor's life easier? imagine having this really smart resident who prepared everything. now the doctor can come in and can focus on the patient. you are saving and lot of time. then there is also access. we provided 24/7, just like you would want to get.

we need to provide you personalized medicine. ed: critically, the point with k health is that the diagnosis, treatment, or that specialists is still determined by a human being, but are you able to share about any data about the success rates of treatment by using the platform and having a means for a doctor to say this is the patient before me, this is what we are going to do? >> we can see everything anonymously that the doctor does and we can learn from it. new things can happen. sometimes the doctor changes the diagnosis. doctors make diagnosis and treatment decisions. we have the nuance and insights. and then we have the look back

ability to see patients regularly. when you work at cedars-sinai, you are getting primary care like anywhere else. you can manage this directly. anything else, now you have much more convenience. ed: the k health ceo. it is an interesting case study. we are hearing it more often. let's discuss trends in the world of venture capital. the macro environment impact on startups and a lot more. it seems a strange place to start, but quite a lot has changed since you were last on the program.

the economy has changed and we are bracing for a presidential election. how are things going? >> it has been a rough couple of years for startups. it is the truth. it has been a rough couple of years. there have been a lot of start up shutdowns, layoffs. ed: you have been pending your thoughts. posting thought pieces. we have taken one from linkedin. no matter how bleak things might seem, you believe it is time to fight back if you are a startup or founder. >> i firmly believe the winds are shifting and to the economy is getting better. they cannot wait for economic data from 12 months ago to grow a little faster, hire more

people. right now is the perfect time. caroline: you were calling for a mass extinction event. how was the mass extinction? did it bear in the way you thought it would? did companies manage to succeed and muddle through more than you anticipated? >> i think the piece resonated with the founders and the ecosystem. if you look at the data from the past couple of years, start up shutdowns are up. layoffs are a huge multiple. it has been a start extinction event out there. caroline: some companies have managed to sell themselves.

what is interesting as we are hearing more and more in the ai sphere that companies are looking for mergers. are you seeing that among your portfolio companies? that they are able to by others and we are seeing more m&a within the private markets? >> m&a feels like it is beginning to warm up. the big acquirers seem to be putting out feelers, starting conversations for the first time in a while. i think that is because start up expectations are more reasonable than they were during that zero interest rate environment. stock prices are back up so they are feeling more confident about wiring smaller startups that are probably not profitable. now they have a real reason to make acquisitions, which is ai. there is this platform shift they know they need to be part of. ed: reading your work, i'm going

to channel my inner tom keene, long time anchor. basically between 2020 and 2023, you only have good things in front of you. >> if you can have money and a good business during a downturn, it is the best time to build, but founders sometimes lose track of where we are. you get so used to being in a down economy and that is what it is all about. the economy is better. don't go to the extremes of burning way too much and being efficient. let's think about offense again because start ups need to be on offense.

if you are not, somebody else is. caroline: we thank you for coming back on. meanwhile coming up, we will talk about how tech companies are going on the offense when it comes to european football. we have all the details next. meanwhile, watching shares of meta at the moment. the eu saying, not good enough. they are saying that the digital markets active once again is sort of being pushed against by meta. they are saying they are forcing millions of users across the eu to pay or consent. they are giving a warning about subscription models for ad free services on instagram and facebook. this is bloomberg technology. ♪

caroline: let's talk chips. planning to invest $75 billion by sk hynix. the group says about 80% of the sum will be allocated to investing in your favorite, high-bandwidth memory chips. what are you looking at? ed: qualcomm has become the new front of shirt sponsor for manchester united football club. the company's latest attempt to

boost awareness of its snapdragon random in consumers amid a broader push into personal computing. here to not only discuss this massive commercial deal, but also to illustrate and demonstrate it is bloomberg's owen king who leads our semi conductor coverage and just so happens to be a manchester united fan. there it is. you know, it is something that you didn't think you would ever see, but for qualcomm this is a big deal. >> this is not even just the company name, this is their brand, this is them trying to do something they have been trying to do for 10 years and not making a lot of progress. they are saying, this is how committed we are. this is a very big brand obviously. caroline: how much money are we talking? >> neither side will tell us, but we have a report saying about $75 million a year and it is probably going to stretch over five years. ed: i will try to get this.

there we go. the point is is that it is a chip, it is a semi conductor that qualcomm has put into smartphones. there is an ai story now. there is a cult following. explain the next data were -- iteration. >> they have been trying to get their chips into laptops. they are saying new ai software will help them to do it. the giant elephant in the room like a manchester united in the 1990's is intel. intel has dominated the market not only with their products, but with their brand. anyone trying to get into the laptops has to take on the brandon this is what call -- qualcomm is trying to do. caroline: just that word takes

me back to the beckham documentary. they had something to do with the marketing of all of this. how many of all of these tech names or u.s. tech names are going into sports like this? how much do you see chips more broadly getting into the world of all? >> it is an ingredient brand. it has always been a one step back. intel were the ones that really broke that with the campaign that pushed the idea that you don't buy something for the company that makes it, you buy something because of what is inside of it. all, is trying to make that next step. we have seen other companies flirt with this, but this is the biggest effort you have seen so far to get a content brand, in front of real consumers. ed: saying that one premier league home game will have the

same value in spending as a super bowl ad. incredible reporting, thank you. [laughter] i just got back from vacation and in the midst of celebrations around the uefa football tournament, something else is part of the landscape, chinese telecom companies being sponsors. it is in this era of increasing tech competition between the u.s. and china i was so surprised to see these names so present on the football broadcast from the bbc, itv, and europe. what do you make of that? caroline: previously, it was crypto names all sponsoring shirts. now it is chips and chinese e-commerce. just the amount they are spending, how much do they need to build on the downloads? ed: this is definitely about going after the european market.

the interesting one is timu. they saw a massive surge in downloads of their app and activity in the market. byd, the door is closed in the united states. there is a lot for me to --them to play for. caroline: which games were you shouting at the tv in a bar or pub or at home? ed: that is what is so astonishing. when i got back, fox sports as the rights to the euros here and you can still see them through that as well, so it is everywhere. caroline: we do it all here on bloomberg technology, particularly sports and tack. we didn't get to talk about taxi. ed: incredible amount of breaking news, so there is a lot to recap. do so on the podcast.

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