>> that's actually a fair point. >> right >> yeah. >> i don't care, really, what he says what he says is going to be determined by that next inflation number, probably there's the ten-year 4.66%. and the two-year, 5.02%. we really need to be renaissance -- we have so many things we talk about here. it's hard, isn't it, to keep it all straight >> it's interesting. >> make sure you join us tomorrow "squawk on the street" is next ♪ good wednesday morning, welcome to "squawk on the street," i'm carl quintanilla with jim cramer and david faber at post nine of the new york stock exchange futures, red fed day, and some high-profile earnings misses. skyworks, marriott, yields are lower as this treasury refunding announcement was in line our road map begins with a monster move for earnings movers pfizer, kraft, dupont. plus amazon shares are up

ahead of the open. cloud sales growth accelerates the company also aims for spending more on a.i shares of starbucks under pressure they're down after a decline in same-store sales it also slashed its forecast we're going to be joined exclusive by starbucks' ceo just a few minutes from now let's begin this new month for markets after ending a rough april with that selloff. worst day since january 31st worst month since september '23. >> some of it was because there's a belief that -- really, this happened in the last few hours yesterday -- that if the fed chief is asked the question, do you think that the next move should be increasing rates or decreasing rates, it puts him in a horrible bind? h what is he going to say? this was literally the narrative i heard yesterday as interest rates ticked up. you know that people are going to try to trap the chairman, but he's not easily trapped. >> no, he's not.

although you're not necessarily in favor of the press conferences, as i recall >> no, because these people are teenagers. i've run press conferences and been in press conferences, and i'm not impressed with this "hollywood squares" group they put together >> that said, we are going to hear from him. he's not easily trapped, as you say. we can keep an eye on the bonds, of course. not really that much movement at this point >> no. despite josh frost >> generally, carl, will not be much said that he didn't say that was in his comments a week or two ago >> i think it was julian emanuel of every cevercore yesterday sai what you said. what is his threshold for a hike >> this is this narrative that i actually can't stand we were two for three in terms of the brown shoots yesterday. consumer confidence was very bad. chicago pmi was very bad instead, we had this index of people saying it's the be-all

and end-all, and that's the wage index. i found that to be fatuous reasoning. i found myself thinking, how many people want this number down >> how many people >> 437 >> it's like the house of representatives, basically meantime, jim, ten-year on the treasury news did come back closer to 5% oil today, lowest since february >> war premium disappearing. it's not necessarily economic growth declining we do know, by the way, that there's a permian shutdown, the largest pipe -- thank you rusty braziel -- beginning in june that's when i expect the next spike. i was expecting this one, other than the fact that there is once again a hint of peace talks, and this reminds me of the peace talks going into the first iraq war where we had peace talks

every friday and fonothing materialized but i find that a little fanciful that the war premium is going away >> given some of the comments out of the netanyahu this morning, for example, that the rafah operation, he intends to continue, regardless of pressure from blinken >> i think this is very difficult to talk about, and i would say that the idea that israel can divorce itself from the united states historically has not been true, according to the late henry kissinger, the late herichard nixon, who was nt a friend of israel, but saved israel from destruction. >> yep, in 1973. can we get to earnings now talk amazon, amd, pfizer, j&j talc you've got so many manilla folders here i don't know where you want to start. >> i came in cold and haven't done my homework >> open one up and say

something. >> amazon, i think, should be up ten. >> it's not up a lot >> that's because people are so darn negative, and they didn't do any homework. if they had done some homework, they would have realized that almost every single line item was better >> best growth they ever had reaccelerated growth at aws. advertising all-time highs and obviously, we talk about that in terms of how a high-margin business they had a decent margin on the retail business. >> how about international was extraordinary. the ads numbers were extraordinary too. david, my favorite was something right in your bailiwick because i wanted to come armed for what you do >> yes >> they like sports, and they say that sports contracts don't come up very much and very often, and when they do, they're of particular interest >> yeah. they're going to most likely be the streaming, so to speak, choice of the nba as we reported yesterday. >> right but why is it just streaming >> well, they're going to have a

piece of the nba contract. that seems likely. i know they're not most likely giving voice to that it's not signed up it's not agreed to yet, jim, but we do know that they are a force there. ads just starting on the prime service, by the way. >> so extraordinary. >> and we're still seeing significant growth obviously, advertising overall on the home page is quite important. >> do you remember when aws had gone from 11, and people were saying it was going to be high single-digit growth? it's 17% >> it's a $100 billion run rate revenue business $100 billion >> incredible gross margins. >> this is -- if it were ever split off, if that was ever forced, this would be an enormous company, as we've pointed out many times, with an incredibly growth rate what about capex has anybody done the math yet between adding up what meta, alphabet, amazon, and microsoft, what they're going to be spending on capex? >> they're spending so much internally >> right >> it's difficult to get a number, although they will tell

you that they are -- they've gotten right with jensen >> yeah. >> they'll get whatever they want from jensen >> they're spending so much on so many other things, other than just a.i., distribution centers, trucks who can take a drive now without seeing an amazon truck that said, they're going to spend enormously on a.i. as well >> absolutely. but they also are the trusted aid of so many companies that want to get on the cloud and artificial intelligence, and that is restarted. there's been normalization of companies going to the cloud i keep pointing out the international, which was just incredible, that went from negative to positive i don't even know how that's possible >> take a listen to jassy, guys, talking about why he's so bullish on aws in particular and that hundred billion dollar annualized run rate and revenues >> remain very bullish in aws. we're at $100 billion-plus annualized revenue run rate, yet 85% of the global i.t. span remains on premises.

this is before you even calculate gen a.i., most of which will be created over the next 10 to 20 years from scratch and on the cloud there's a very large opportunity in front of us >> what can i say? this is -- a lot of people, even last -- literally, a year ago, people were saying this thing could be a goner it turned out to be the juggernaut, and i don't think that you can stop it >> make sense of me on amd, which is going to be down, despite what is that enormous spending going on for generative a.i. yes, it's not the main provider, as we know, but it would seem to be a beneficiary investors, though, seem to be concerned about the fact that guidance did not go up that much >> what is the incentive of lisa su to be able to say that the a.i. chips is going to be 5 to $6 billion next year she raised it from 3.5 to 4. the long knives come out for her as if there's a shortfall. i heard silly things like

microsoft had done an order cut. that is untrue the lies that are being told about this company overnight are shocking the way you can attack it is gaming was terrible, and embedded was not good, and lisa su is saying embedded turns this quarter. so, do i love this stock i know that they are head-to-head with nvidia for a lot of things, and nvidia tends to win they do have much better training software than they had last time, but the idea that she was supposed to raid the 5 to 6 and that's what got it wrong, i think that is fiction. >> is it a -- the bulls would tell -- have told me it's a bottleneck, not a demand problem. true >> there's not even a bottleneck >> not even a bottleneck >> no. she has the -- the issue is, why should she say this 5 to 6 well, what's the point so, you do a downside surprise >> meantime, jim, intel is coming off its worth month, i think, in a couple of decades. skyworks, of course, warning about below-normal demand in mobile phones.

they guide below on the june quarter. >> the next sentence -- let's go through that it so upset me liam griffin, you can't mention the name apple, he says, we all got that he goes, mobile business, we saw below normal seasonal trends with lower than expected end market demand in broad markets the december quarter represented the bottom, and we delivered modest sequential growth in march, reflecting a turning point. it's the second part of that, the second phrase that tells me that even though i don't favor apple because i think it's up on a tony sacconaghi bump, which i think is advised, the fact that he's saying things are bad just when things are good, is extraordinary to me. we know he lost business with apple that was switched to qualcomm, so we can't necessarily generalize i don't like apple ahead of the quarter. i believe it's on a bubble

but to hang liam and apple on that first part of the quote means you didn't finish the second, and that's unforivable dupont had great numbers, but taiwan semi is the number one, and the second one is samsung. they are levered to nvidia, so i mean, if you want to make an extrapolation there, you got to say that, once again, nvidia is better that preannouncement, by the way, was on every -- that last preannouncement that he had where every line was down, every one of those line items is now up it's a rather extraordinary time it's all coming together it's almost celestial in the way it's coming together for ed breen, and i got to congratulate him. all that pas ptiche of business he put together is on fire >> one of the fur earnings stories that is up in the premarket today out of dupont. >> four. that one's going on four four points. >> all right >> water filtration. >> that was the weakest. it was 10% growth. >> it's hvac and water f

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when we look at the biggest loser today, it's going to be starbucks, down double digits, quarterly results substantially below street consensus, cutting its full-year guidance joining us now, exclusively, is starbucks ceo, laxman narasimhan mr. narasimhan, good to have you on the show, and i appreciate that you're coming on, despite the fact that the quarter was extremely weak >> jim, it was a very tough quarter. thank you for having me. there were three reasons for this first, we saw unexpected pressures on our locational customers, more intense than we expected that impacted their visitation second, the choppiness of the recovery in china continued with

a more intense price war than what we expected and third, challenges of our business in the middle east impacted us not just in the middle east but also in other geographies. >> okay. >> clearly -- >> i understand. now, what i'm trying to figure out, sir, is, why did you not feel the need to preannounce this shortfall, given the fact in the previous quarter, your cfo said that she felt that you could have a earnings per share growth in the range of 15 to 20%? this is a substantial decline from that, and given the fact that you said on the call that april did not end well, i would like to know why you did not feel the need to come out and say, our quarter is going to be substantially worse than expected, at least four weeks ago? >> jim, we have been working on action plans to address these headwinds, and so what we wanted to come back with was not just the announcement but also the action plans that we have in place, which, by the way, are not business as usual.

and i'm happy to talk about them >> well, let's finish, because i know that investors are trying to figure out why they should hold on to the stock what i -- some of the things that i am confused about, i checked with all the major, both public and private, companies that are in a similar business to you, and no one saw a 3% decline in comp stores because of weather, and none of them saw a negative number, except for you. is it possible that your coffee is just too darn expensive >> jim, i think that if i look at the u.s. occasional customer, they have clearly cut back on visits to us if you look at the value for money scores we have, they're still strong, but there's no question that the occasional customer is cutting back on business to us we have not been able to communicate to them the value that we provide. so, what we are doing about it is it's not business as usual, but there's an action plan we have in place in order to do that to reach them and to communicate

the value that we are providing. what we're doing for that is we are making it attractive for them to come back into the starbucks app and join it. on the app, what you will see is you will see value that we haven't seen because they've not been part of that environment. there are drops that are going to happen every monday there are bundles that we're putting in place that are attractive for them. for example, a beverage and a drink at a certain price and so, what you are seeing there is the effort we're making in order to ensure that our occasional customers get to see the value that we provide. our loyal customers -- >> why did the loyalty program go from 4.3 to 32.8 in late quarter? those people are not occasional. those people are hard core why did your members -- i know your membership was up year over year i'm not concerned with that. i'm concerned with why you had not the occasional but the hard core drop off.

>> if you look at the most loyal customers, they continue to come in, continue to buy frequently they continue to customize and upgrade. it's at the tail of the loyalty program, particularly those that are in the 90-day active as we call it. the folks that didn't come back. they are very similar to the occasional customers we have an action plan in place right now to communicate directly with them, with offers that have gone out, even as recent as this week, in order to ensure that we can reverse the visitation losses that we have seen with them and to bring them back, and yes, you're right, overall, program did grow by 6%. >> right that's necessary but what's more important, i think, is the late quarter decline. before i turn it over to my colleagues, you said it's not business as usual, and i want to make a point here, sir you are still expanding as if it is business as usual you had, for instance, on the quarter, you talk about opening stores in honduras and ecuador is it not time to pause, sir, and figure out what's really going wrong and spend a deep

dive and making it so that this decline in comp store numbers does not continue? it is perilous to the actual existential existence of starbucks. >> jim, thank you for the question what i would tell you is if you look across the world, our system sales in latin america expanded double digits our sales in japan expanded double digits. our business outside of malaysia and indonesia in asia pacific showed growth f. if you look at the fundamentals of the u.s. business, we are holding share in the u.s we are still the largest player in out-of-home coffee. if you look at some of the mettics -- >> dunkin donuts and tim horton's said you are not holding share, sir i regard them as being seminal -- mcdonald's says you are losing share i can't go against those three companies. they are too good and too honest and too big for me to dismiss. >> we are the leading category

player in coffee i'm talking visitation share and what we have if you look at our in-home coffee business, it grew share, 140 basis points, but if you look at the business underpinning us, tea grew 8% cold grew 1% so, there are elements in here if you look at our partner sentiment and what we have inside stores, attrition is down to its lowest levels so, there's work going on. the thing we didn't do enough of is really attack the occasional customer with delivering and communicating value to them in a more aggressive manner that's what the plan we have thus >> it's david. china continues to be a not-unimportant part of the growth plan for this company you cite fierce competition there. slower than expected recovery. but to jim's question, again, why not sort of focus on improving things there and/or

fighting off the competition you still are opening many stores i know the net number was still a pretty significant one for the quarter in china >> david, first of all, i think if you look at the overall network of stores that we have, they're in very good healthy if you look at the cash on cash returns that we get from the new stores and the expansion, they're 40% cash on cash returns. we see no reason to change that equation it does not mean that we're not focused on fixing the challenges we have with the occasional customer and with the fact that they're not visiting us as often. >> laxman, i noted your language in terms of citing a deteriorating economic outlook weighing on customer traffic do you really think that's the case we talk about it endlessly here as you well know, and it's far from clear that there is a deteriorating economic outlook, so what is it you're seeing? >> i think what we're seeing is

pressures on the wallet for some of our most occasional customers, and they are translating that into what they're choosing to do >> how are -- all right. what are they doing, then? >> well, so, some of them are obviously visiting less, as we have seen, hence our action plan, which is about communicating value, which is about ensuring our speed of service improves so we capture the demand that we already have, and thirdly, that we bring in products that they find exciting what we are doing is products. if you look at the lavender matcha, really appealed to some of these customers we are bringing in new products as our seasonal launches go that are really appealing to these occasional customers as well so, it's about price it's about value we're bringing those two together to ensure that the occasional customers find it worth their while to spend their money at a starbucks

>> you know, a lot of what they're saying, laxman, reminds me of what the mcdonald's ceo said yesterday, and i'll quote him. he says, "in some markets, our relative superiority on affordable has declined. is that a point of view with which you can empathize? >> i can i can empathize that with the occasional customers the loyal customers still come in as frequently as they do, the most loyal ones. >> so, that's going to involve -- what's the mix of remedying that is it more act marketing than product or vice versa? >> i think it's a combination of how we communicate and deliver value. it is about product, but it's also about speed of service. you know, we have people coming into our stores today or mobile pay who don't fulfill their transactions because of wait times. the team's done a phenomenal job in the u.s. in improving speed of service but we see even more opportunity in doing that, and that is essentially what we're working

on in terms of rolling out the processes and tools so they're able to meet more of the demand than we already have >> laxman, what gives you the confidence you're going to be able to meet that demand you cited on the call that customers use the mobile order, the app, put items in their cart and then choose not to complete the order because the waiting time is too long how are you confident you're going to be able to execute to make sure that problem is dealt with >> i think, david, the speed of service improvements we've seen are real the opportunities that we have with the new processes that we're rolling out suggest to us that we can make that even better, and the entire leadership team is focused and ensuring that we make improvements as we go in order to increase that speed of service even more. >> well, laxman, the speed of service is real. that's a fanciful statement. it's the exact opposite of what is happening

and i don't know how you can say it on our air. >> jim, the facts are, we have improved speed of service, quarter over quarter if you look at how the processes that we are rolling out, particularly around peak, what we are finding is that we have opportunities to improve that even further with changes in processes and tools that we provide to our partners at peak. >> but you said that people are using the mobile app, and they are not able to get what they want because they can't. it's too slow. i think your throughput is awful, sir and i do not understand how you can say service is good and also say at the same time that throughput is awful. >> jim, throughput has improved. there are opportunities for us to improve it even further

and that's what the team is focused on >> well, you can say that, and you may even believe it. >> finally, laxman, yum! brands is out today, and they argue the impact from the middle east conflict might be improving in the most affected markets. can you go along with that >> i think that we are seeing some improvement in certain markets for sure, but this will take time to normalize >> okay. one last one, because i know i've been difficult. i am very concerned, because this is a great institution. and i do want to hear something, something that makes me want to hold this stock through the next quarter, even as you said that april is bad do i have any reason to own this stock in the next quarter? >> jim, first of all, we are completely focused on a plan that is not business as usual to

reverse some of the trends that we have seen, and we have demand that we can meet we have products in the pipeline that are strong, and on top of that, what we have is we have a plan to actively communicate value to those customers who don't see it when they see it, they choose to participate in our brand so, that's the near-term plan. further, we have an opportunity across day part, in terms of occasions, including what we're doing overnight, it's a business we're building and there's real opportunity over the course of the next five years to build a $2 billion leg there furthermore, what you have seen is real progress as a business if you look at the growth in core categories like tea, cold, if you look at the execution in stores, partner attrition at its lowest levels, but the connection being really high, customer connection being really

high, partner connection in high being outstanding, the best we've ever had, you put all that together, what you've got is a foundation for business that is really strong. it is true we had a tough quarter, but we have an action plan against that, particularly around how we communicate and deliver value to those occasional customers that will see value when they see what we offer them >> okay. all right, mr. narasimhan, starbucks ceo and director as a shareholder in my travel trust, i've done a mistake here. i'm saying it on air thank you very much for coming on "squawk on the street." >> meantime, jim, we've been watching a five-year chart of starbucks, and at the open, it does look like prices are going to be pretty much flat over five years. >> yeah. well, look, the problem here is one of trust it's very difficult. this is a terrible quarter it's difficult to come on air and say things are good.

i would have called for more of a truth and reconciliation discussion and more of a realization that is existential, because you can't go from plus 1520 projection to these numbers, particularly when you say that it's the weather in the u.s. and tim horton's and mcdonald's do not agree. and so, i am distressed about this situation, despite the fact that i know that mr. narasimhan says he does have an action plan >> let's get the opening bell here and the cnbc realtime exchange at the big board, it is viking holdings, celebrating an ipo today. we'll talk to the founder and chairman in about an hour. at the nasdaq, it's checkpoint software jim, what is the tougher quarter, starbucks or cvs? >> cvs, i think, was -- there are some outside forces that hurt vs, including the terribl hack that occurred at united health i still don't think they have things around it

i think they did see -- their health management organization did have a better april, but when i come back, i see what doug mcmillon said yesterday when he was talking to people about why walmart got out of this business. 51 stores closed i'm not sure this business is an economic business. >> the -- let's stay here for a moment on that first of all, that decline is enormous for cvs obviously, the owner of aetna, this is what we're talking about, medicare advantage, the medical cost ratio has gone up, seniors are using more than perhaps they thought in terms of health care services, paying more for them. >> absolutely. >> it hasn't gone particularly well for ceo karen lynch >> no, it hasn't, and her plan is -- >> i don't know how you treat her if she came on as a guest this morning >> i dealt with her back and forth this morning i was stunned by starbucks stunned. >> i rarely -- i have rarely seen you that -- in that kind of mode >> i've rarely seen a stock

decline like this. >> on -- there's karen lynch's quote. "environment doesn't diminish our opportunities. they think they have a pathway to address their near-term medicare challenges and she goes on to say, they remain committed to the strategy and have the right assets in place. >> what are they going to do, go up against amazon with the front of the store go up against amazon with the pharmacy how do you go up against amazon? >> i don't know. >> half the call was about how they're going to destroy the drugstores >> they've made significant acquisitions as well, in clinics, for example, that they felt was going to be additive to the business so far, the strategy, not going that well. >> it's too expensive. >> to your point, in many cities where, unfortunately, things are behind lock and key at your cvs as well on the retail side, you're much easier just defaulting to amazon, knowing you're going to get it same-day or the next day. >> front of store comps were down two >> it's a pincer move between the people who come in and the shrinkage and andy jassy, who's

decided he wants this business by how quickly he can get the product to you one more reason amazon deserves to be much higher. there is not a business they have gone into and not destroyed. they're coming after grocery stores big-time with this. we have to go there, we should do our show from the small form factory. i can't believe how aggressive they're being. they have any amount of money to play, and karen lynch does not >> the commentary that that is going to be the low for the year will go meaningfully higher as a lot of their customers are sort of done cost apt moptimizing ane back to adding to the cloud structure. >> when you talk to brian, the great cfo there, i had a fight with these guys. i said, what are you doing well, here's what they did they turned it around. and they said they turned it around, and they are good to their word i thought they could only go to low teens. david, they went to high teens,

and they did it in an incredibly robust way why is the stock down? >> amazon is up. it's not down >> it was at $182 last night >> it is still up on a mixed day. well, actually, we're on a down day right now for the broader market >> i know you think the dow is atavistic -- >> even the mood you came in with -- >> the mood? my wife's in italy she's having a great time. the cow is going to have a baby. i ain't in no bad mood >> it's another name that used to get under your skin, so i'll enjoying this. what do you think of this quarter there? >> this was a destocking quarter. china is going up. you've got the duty-free numbers that are better the stock is down 6. it was initially down 10, and i think when fabrizio says things are better, i'm going to go with

him. >> asia travel retail returning to net sales growth there. >> the stock was at $300 he's finally got it right. we continue to dump on him no, i'm not going to dump on a guy who's got it right not everything is pinterest. >> if we're looking consumer, starbucks, el, marriott miss, mastercard not really guiding much higher for the year >> yeah. >> well, look, i think mastercard is doing okay i see that, and i raise it with steve squeri yesterday telling me at the annual meeting that i cannot believe how well american express is doing that may be a winner take all, loser take none. that's how well he's doing with gen x and millennials. bank of america is saying good things >> but to carl's point, it builds on a theme that we have been exploring a bit here, which is the consumer is getting weaker >> brown shoots. >> the consumer is more frugal we do have enough brown shoots for me to say the fed has asked

the question, if the chairperson's asked a question, would you favor a hike or a cut, i think he would be, we stand pat with the information >> the data is starting to pile up, going from anecdotal to actually real, that there is strength by the way, laxman says the economic deterioration we questioned him about it -- >> did he say he would cut the price of coffee, cogo head-to-ha with mcdonald's or tim horton's? dunkin donuts, where he's losing share? >> it is true that kraft heinz, pricing up almost three. we're fwhot not getting that brk clorox with a guide lower. >> well, clorox, you know what clorox is very difficult because they seem to be all over the map, but you know what procter & gamble has just had a run here that you can't believe, and colgate has been incredibly strong procter & gamble has premium pricing. i do not disagree with you one bit that we don't have some

weakness in the consumer i think, look, i don't think the fed should come out and say, because of some number they got yesterday, that nobody really cared about it yesterday, that they can't one day cut there's enough frugality in the system that tells me that people are concerned, but i do worry that procter & gamble is the most expensive of all, and they have not cut any price k colgate, very expensive. the inferior guys are running for the hills. >> fair point. a story that i think is of importance that's not earnings-related this morning is johnson & johnson, and certainly, something -- >> i'm all over it >> let me do the headlines for you. they have essentially reached a settlement with all of those who have been suing the company in terms of the effect of their talc -- >> no, me sothelioma

>> current and future claims related to the ovarian cancer related to talc litigation against it and its affiliates in the united states. >> they're saying they don't have everybody yet >> 99.75% of all pending talc lawsuits against johnson & johnson and its affiliates in the united states. >> they are point-blank saying, they think they can win them over they don't have everybody. that's not the number they're using. >> jim, i'm reading from the press release. plan commits the company to pay ovarian claimants a present value of $6.475 billion. they say that's a far better recovery than claimants stand to recover at trial most claimants awill not recover at all i thought this was what you have been looking for >> i spoke to plaintiffs' lawyers this morning, and they're not all -- j&j is saying that >> okay. >> the plaintiffs' lawyers are not saying that. >> okay, to be fair, a press

release from the company >> the plaintiffs' lawyers are not giving me the go ahead on that number. >> on the -- on the plan by the way, the plan >> they're not giving me that. >> they have a proposed plan, we should point out they do say it's a culmination of a consensual resolution strategy they announced last october. what are you telling me, jim >> they have lawyers with thousands upon thousands of claims they put through four lawyers for me, and i do think that they have enough to be able to get it so that the judge will rule in their favor, but they do have plaintiffs' lawyers who are against it, and i just think it's important to point out that they feel they'll prevail, but they only have finished the mesothelioma, and they think they'll prevail because there is a judge right now trying to rule about whether there is a true linkage with talc and asbestos >> this is talc and ovarian cancer >> it's very good, but i don't want -- when you have j&j putting out a release and then you have others saying, hold your horses, i do not want to get ahead of the situation, because i've been there before

with j&j, and as much as i like the company, they're a little -- sometimes they can be too optimistic >> okay. here's something you don't see every day. pfizer, up on earnings >> that was a shocker. >> pfizer shares up almost 3% on what they call -- and this is their wording -- a solid first quarter in terms of revenues of $14.9 billion. albert borla -- there it is -- albert borla saying, "we delivered strong performance in our non-covid portfolio in the first quarter of the year. what they're trying to move towards, in terms of cancer, the seagen acquisition proving important there, and i've taken my shots at pfizer through the years, because if you look at a 20-year, there's been no value created at all yield, by the way, is 6.39% right now. but that said, this has been a company, despite what was that

brief run-up as a result of the covid, the various covid therapies, it has not done much. >> no. but the seagen acquisition, too early, right >> too early >> it is do you think he went to china and offered his vaccine to president xi, and president xi said, no, and that his vaccine was not as good as their vaccine? >> right i know they did, guys, raise diluted -- adjusted diluted eps guidance, 215 to 235 and again, you're seeing a positive reaction in the overall stock market for that. >> right right. well, i do feel that, look, we're getting some good news in the drugs at last. the group has finally got, you know, the group was colored for a little while by bristol myers, which is still in a difficult situation, but i like the fact that j&j is closer and closer. i do think we're going to start

seeing better numbers from pfizer i don't like the fact that these people of mine that the government prevailed in these cases from the inflation reduction act that makes it so medicaid -- medicare is determining price for a lot of the big drugs, and that is very difficult. we never thought that would happen, and it happened. >> as ed yardeni might argue, jim, it's a by-product of a big generation of boomers moving into ages where they need medical care if we are looking for bright spots, though, wing is down,bu comps are nearly doubled at 22 >> i've got them on tonight, and i think it's -- well, look, the stock is probably the best performer in the entire restaurant group, and i do think that it can be down. but it's not smci kind of down where they, you know, basically didn't really meet the real revenue guide. >> yeah. how about -- >> i feel very good about wing stop >> there's always pinterest. >> we got pins as well >> pinterest has got a lot of things right

>> up 18% premarket, hanging on to those opening gains >> they have a model now that allows them to make some money there's a good -- you know what, david? there's a lot of young people who are on there, and they're doing some business now. >> i'm sure they are >> but snap too. pinterest and snap how do you like that >> both with huge double-digit gains post-earnings. >> they had a 23% overall revenue growth rate for pins obviously, we're still talking about a relatively small company, $740 million in revenue for the quarter. but maus, guys, up 12% year over year as well >> how about cannabis msos the news that the dea is going to move to schedule iii, potentially. no confirmation from justice >> i had canopy growth on, cgc, they're the ones that is most levered to it. they have a decent balance sheet. not great. it's run by a very legitimate guy, david kline, who used to be the cfo of constellation brands,

which is the majority owner of conpy. i t canopy. we need too see they're allowed to use -- that supermarkets are allowed to use credit. we need to see that you can't have brinks trucks coming to all the different repositories they're not allowed to use credit >> right >> that's what's really hurt that industry. >> i do want to come back. i don't want to have confuse people on j&j and talc it's something we've talked about a lot. you have mentioned it as a gating issue, i think, for the stock for some time. >> i'm very bullish after this >> it is a plan, just to be clear, that has been proposed by the company that it would -- this subsidiary they've created, that would allow it to basically do a prepackaged chapter 11 bankruptcy filing where it would pay out this $6 billion. if 75% of the claimants approve the plan, they say they will seek j&j that prepackage chapter 11 unlike prior cases, it's the

vote of the claimants, not a small minority of plaintiff lawyers who stand to get excess fees, but the claimants who will decide here whether this proce proceeds i want to clarify as best what we can but if they do get this behind them -- >> oh, my, if they get it behind them, it's huge. it's like what happened with 3m when mike roma got a very bad hand, by the way, and is concluding his career with 3m by solving the problem. i just want to be sure that people understand that it's entirely possible that j&j thinks they have everybody and then i felt this before, that they did, and then i got bombarded by lawyers who said, did you bother to check with me? >> it's the claimants who will step up and say, i will accept this offers as opposed to going to trial >> to say it's a done deal is -- >> understood. >> the challenge that they moved it to texas from new jersey.

they'll challenge that there really is a -- they don't feel that they are going to continue to lose cases, but they have lost 16 out of 17. i'm just saying that when i have said that this thing is going to be a done deal before, i found i had a whole lot of friends in the plaintiffs bar who were interested in what i had to say. >> there's a lot of money at stake for those plaintiffs' attorneys there, given what they take as a percent of the overall award. >> this is the best offer, and i would be surprised if it doesn't go through, which is why i think the stock should be up >> we didn't mention the macro adp looking for 180. consensus for friday is 240. but lot of job growth, especially in the south. i don't know if you saw this piper report on middle america, and how it's benefitting from the resurgence in manufacturing and energy reshoring >> well, i mean, this is the problem. these are high-paid jobs and remember that commerce secretary gina raimondo has probably put a hundred thousand people to work building plants outside of syracuse and plants in arizona and i just feel that

those jobs are the jobs that continue to keep the growth going, and therefore, doesn't make it so that powell has such an easy path >> even though we are, again, seeing signs of weakness in a certain segment of consumer. >> there are brown shoots, which give him the ability to do something, but i think if he's asked that question again, should he tighten or ease, he has the ability to say, look, i see things going wrong in the economy, whether it be trucking or rails >> at the same time, we get a jobs number on friday that very well may show below 4% unemployment, which carl, i guess, you pointed out, would be a record, right? >> would tie the record. tie the record of consecutive months >> well, it is -- it's a very difficult decision for him to make, but i think that what he'll do is saying because it's a difficult decision for him to make, then he has to wait, and if he has to wait, the -- and the long bond goes higher in interest, that will solve the problem. i mean, remember, it's shelter that's an issue, and that's really driven, in part, by

immigrants, because you have to house immigrants i think the wages are a push and then, i do think that insurance is so high that people are not reporting car accidents. >> it's literally -- it's half of super core. auto insurance and repair. by the way, amid all of this is some fresh pmi manufacturing numbers. let's get to rick santelli hey, rick. >> oh, what a difference a tenth makes. 49.9 was our mid-month read on s&p global manufacturing pmi, and that would have broken the streak of all the readings so far for 2024, the three before it were above 50 now, it is 50. so, 49.9, the final read, becomes 50 we keep the streak all four readings, january, february, march and april now are 50 or higher this is the lowest of the year, takes us back to when we were under 50 for the last two months of last year and of course we still have construction spending

joe j.o.l.t.s., ism manufacturing, adp was right around the time we put the high yields of the session in we're now down four basis points on twos. parallel shift in the yield curve down four basis points on tens as we get ready for more data and, of course, the fed decision, which should be very little new information, other than the fact that inflation's hot. "squawk on the street" will return after a short break

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good wednesday morning welcome to another hour of "squawk on the street" i'm sara eisen with carl quintanilla and david faber. live from post nine of the new york stock exchange. looking at stocks, it's a mixed picture, the dow is higher now thanks to strength in j&j, microsoft, amazon, 3m, boeing, s&p is lower the only sectors higher are consumer discretionary, materials and real estate. a lot of movers to talk about there. nasdaq down .1%. a mixed picture for tech and stocks overall on this fed day looking at treasuries we have no shortage of catalyst, the 10

year yield is slightly lower so a slight bid in bonds 4.66 two year remains above 5% but cooling here today shares of cvs plunging after reporting an earnings miss the company cutting outlook due to higher medical costs. pinterest soaring double digits, posting strong revenue growth up 22% from a year ago. and starbucks on pace for the worst day in two years missing earnings estimates china sales falling double digits the choppiness of the recovery in china continued with a more intense price war than expected. let's get to more with rick santelli >> there are significant big numbers here jolt's, i don'tjob opening labo

turnover, expecting 8.7 million. much lighter 8,488,000 that's the smallest j.o.l.t. number going back to february of '21. february of '21 and last month was revised just a smidge higher from 8.756 million up to 8.8 and change if we look at the construction spending number. construction spending was down .2 we were expecting a number up .3 so that means now that last month, which was down .3, becomes unchanged. so now we've taken some back and given some with respect to the revision if we look at the s&p -- ism manufacturing numbers hitting i want to point out the s&p moved back up to 50 at the expansion contraction line on the ism manufacturing april numbers it

moved from 50 to 50.3. the last look 49.2, the weakest since february when it was 47.8. the prices paid component, 60.9. 60.9, hotter than expected hotter than 55.8 and interesting on a fed day to see, of course, that moving higher 60. 9 on prices paid would be the highest prices paid level since june of '22. new orders 49.1 dipping back below 50 and on the employment, considering it is jobs jobs jobs friday coming up, expecting a number higher than 48. better than expected 48.6. higher than 47.4 in the rear view mirror. but it means we have seven in a row below 50 in contraction territory, which is interesting. we did see a pop in interest rates when we saw the numbers hit the wire but it has eased

back a bit pretty much down four basis points on twos, down four basis points on tens where we've been hovering off and on the last 40 minutes. >> back to you a lot to consider today, rick no shortage of catalyst for the bond market and equity market. rick santelli. and the j.o.l.t. numbers that rick mentioned significant there, the lowest openings number since 2021. obviously the high openings a sign of just how much job availability there is in this jobs market and how strong it has been and firm it has been. so the fed is paying attention to that number we have the adp private sector read on jobs today 192,000 jobs added during the month that was better than expected, doesn't change the calculus. big job growth continues to be in the services part of the economy. 142,000 added there for april,

less than goods. and the large employers, large companies are doing most of the heavy lifting or a lot of the heavy lifting in terms of job growth but nice to see they are adding jobs across the board one other interesting number to look at in wage inflation is the change in pay, job stayers the change is 5%, and for job changers which is where you get the big pay bump, 9.3% is still a high number but better than the -- at least it's not as high as the 10% that we saw in the march number so pretty in line on the adp front doesn't see the expectation we'll see 200,000 jobs created on the government number on friday but the job market is maybe cooling a little bit but not in any significant way. there's still plenty of demand for labor and a lot of hiring, and that's part of the story and the debate at the fed today.

>> at the same time, sara, you're well aware of this because you cite it a lot and use conference calls to support it, we hear the chorus call of the consumer getting weaker. i challenged the starbucks ceo about the economic deterioration they cite he said we're seeing people choosing not to buy our coffee because they're price constrained somehow. mcdonald's i think -- there are any number of other examples cited. i wonder going into today how that squares from language we may hear from the fed chair. >> i heard the question of starbucks, it's fair he's not the only one seeing this in 24 hours we saw many companies including amazon warn of what's happening in the dete ration listen. >> customers are shopping but remain cautious trading down on price when they can and seeking out deals.

>> the category is slowing down and we are losing a little bit of share i think everybody knows that the consumer, it's sort of seeing a number of things, persistent inflation, the high interest rate. >> seeing pressure across all consumer groups and seeing behaviors broadly outside of our categories changing for nearly everyone as they evaluate what's going on. >> as far as the international consumer goes it's probably more of an emphasis on value than there has been in past quarters seeing the same thing in the u.s. it doesn't sound too hot. >> it doesn't. >> but then again it depends on you ask. we also in the last 24 hours heard companies say the economy is in great shape and so is the consumer listen >> the consumer on -- that we see on balance continues to remain healthy and spending is

robust >> once again we saw growth across all three of our customer segments globally both leisure demand and adr growth have remained remarkably resilient. >> results compiled with healthy spending and growth of 18% year over year on a local currency basis. >> i continue to feel good about the strategy globally away from home it's a business that we are seeing continue to improve outside the u.s. and even as we are seeing the slowing with the restaurant business here in the u.s so it really depends where you sit. it's no surprise that the strength is in casinos and experiences. >> right i was thinking experiences were the first two examples but then -- >> master card that's experiences too. >> and kraft is. >> kraft is, they're having a little bit trying to come back and revitalize their brands. but the bottom line is there's

pressure on the consumer no wonder on fed day our data team at cnbc does a good job showing how much our rates have changed for things we use for mortgages, consumer loans, go back to march 2022, before the fed started raising interest rates and look then and now. 30 year mortgage, it had already run up in anticipation of the rate hikes it's now 7 hnt 45 try getting a home equity loan now. these numbers have substantially increased and this is where the pai pain is on the consumer and economy. the difference in the 10 year note yield was two now bumping up to 4. and the s&p 500 has remained resilient in the high rates but doesn't mean we're not seeing deterioration.

the lags matter because people feel the higher rate impact. and that's something for the fed to consider. also why i think, and a lot of the fed watchers and economists today think that the bar for talking about rate hikes is very high right now >> right. >> and most expect that easing bias to be maintained and that's the biggest question going into the fed meeting today, which is how does he walk back cuts in the near term because of the sticky inflation numbers while also maintaining the fact that the next move is going to be a cut. and that's the -- i think that's the kind of mystery we have here >> we'll learn a lot more this afternoon. stocks coming off their worst month since september, investors looking ahead, our next guest thinks there will be two rate cuts this year, joining us is wells fargo cio, target of 5,200 great to have you in d.c. >> thank you >> the regional is up 1.5.

and i wonder if you're trying to sniff out powell not going uber hawkish today. >> he can't go uber hawkish. the markets have walked back the six to one rate cut. he's going to say inflation has made progress but it's uneven and we need to be more data dependent and keep going the small bank index, a huge bifurcation you guys have talked about all morning between the high end and low end consumer, services and goods, big company confidence, small company confidence and big banks and small banks. the small banks are struggling right now. i'm not sure they're a great play off the fed, ton ca-- to be candid. >> there's whether you have a ton of home equity, mortgage

free or not, other delineations. >> yeah that's the narrative people try to figure out the consumer, the economy. what they're missing is the complete bifurcation of the economy. the high end, low end i just talked about what's interesting is if you buy into the fact that the consumer and small business are the engine of the u.s. economy take the consumer confidence number, 21 month low we know because, you know, mortgage rates are higher, payments are higher. if you look at the low end consumer, the last three years, carl, their non-mortgage payments, what they're paying in cash flow out of pocket is up 70%. 70 is a real number. that hits them hard. you couple that with small business optimism from nfib, below the average for 27 months and in the fourth percentile it's really low. so small business optimism is low, consumer optimism is low and declining, right so we have to watch that, because that is the engine of the economy, to your point. >> meantime, the pullback we had

after a near 30% gain for 5 months still reasonable to you >> still reasonable. >> what's the real test? >> it's interesting wi, the last few days we've taken the 20 day moving average now starting to pierce the 50 day moving average from above never a good sign when that happens so probably short term pressure at play when that happens a lot of blue sky between the 50 and 200 day we have to go down to. to us it looks like you could see a correction down to the 4800, level, 4750, 4850, somewhere in that range. which would be a material nice correction we're exactly six months in. we started this rally november 1, it's may 1, exactly six months into this strong rally. it probably is time to take the pressure off, particularly with what the dollar is doing and rates are doing and everything else.

>> is the keydeter meant where the market goes next, making sure that we start to see progress on disinflation. >> you nailed it here's the thing the enemy of the markets right now is inflation so what's going to push inflation down or continue the deflation? i think it's the labor market. if we would see the unemployment rate start to rise people would say that's bad for the economy, it won't be it'll be actually good for markets because they'll believe that's going to be disinflationary and start to bring that number down we think as the labor market softens, which you're seeing some of that saw it in the j.o.l.t.s number, adp was stronger, we think nonfarm on friday is down. but watch wages and the unemployment rate. those are the two things i think will fixate on how inflation path goes from here.

and we're fading in the second half on this year the housing and that will push inflationary pressure down too. >> darryl, we'll see what we get on friday. >> it's always a fun time, isn't it, carl >> it is thanks for coming in. >> my pleasure. wall street is boosting its outlook for amazon stock we'll speak with an analyst about what's ahead for the company. >> plus tesla's ceo you know who that is, elon musk, he's weighing in on the network of the super charging what it, h means for tesla and other au me tt thtoakrrshause e network. and viking set to go public today. set to be the biggest ipo of the year "squawk on the street" continues. with you to make them real.

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we expect the combination of reselling growth to increase capital expenditures in 2024 given the way the aws business model works is a positive sign of future growth the more demand aws has the more power we have to procure new data centers and hardware. the company posting a beat on the top and bottom line joining us is john blackledge, a buy rating on the stock.

a lot for investors to luke here in terms of the beat, 12.5% sales growth axcceleration on aws. does it change your views from here >> no we got what western looking for, the boeings were aws revenue growth and income it was above the investor expectations of 15 to 16% growth driven by fading cost optimizations that hampered growth over the last year and you had to ramp up workloads and called on million dollar run rates, which was positive and investors didn't think they would give us that and the huge opportunity ahead and the op income was huge, over $15 billion, 21% above our street high number driven by

high margin aws and advertising businesses and then the rest of the business kind of turned positive so i think that's a big reason why the stock's up today, those two metrics. >> john, they mentioned the cap x for q1 likely the low of the year, how high does that get and how do you characterize it in light of what we heard for microsoft, alphabet and meta on the same front >> yeah 14 billion cap x, we went to 62 billion for the total company versus we had 54 billion going in so almost like a 15% raise. within that aws cap x of $40 billion up 60% year over year most acceleration is on the aws side building out for infrastructure capacity which is what we heard from alphabet, meta and microsoft

and they are investing on the fulfillment side, same day robotics, et cetera. but the one thing i point out here, meta got this question on their call and alphabet did as well is there going to be a payoff for investors at the end i think it's a yes just for last night, aws posted record 37% margin so amazon and aws has proven like hey we're going to invest ahead of a future needs and then we'll show the margin, you know, revenue in the margin. >> speaking of margins, what are your estimates for combined margins. even the retail business had an actual margin. what are you targeting overall for the company. this year we have overall a 10% margin we actually, like i said we were street high from here at 63 billion. we went up to 67 billion in

operating income and they beat nicely in 1q and then the 2q guide was above where we were at the high end. so we think it -- it should be good and again that's driven by aws. which was a massive beat and then advertising which grew -- the ad business grew 24% in the first quarter that will be a driver of op income and kind of the rest of the business turning positive. i would say the one thing that management called out a couple of times was the ecommerce business and that margin which people wonder about, they say they had several years of lowering costs on the fulfillment side which is good big gains last year when they went to the regional fulfillment model but there's more to be done so we have margins up this year and up, you know, kind of going forward. >> the bull case on amazon there with stock up 3% thank you very

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check out shares of pfizer today, cost cuts, strong non-covid sales and results benefitting from a smaller than feared drop in sales from the covid back and down about eight year to date >> yeah. always like to look at the 20 year as well let's talk tesla it's cutting the supercharger team impacting an estimated 500 employees. elon musk took to his social media platform x last night to explain the decision saying tesla still plans to grow the supercharger network just at a slower pace for new locations

and more focus on 100% up time and expansion of existing locations. phil lebeau has what this means for tesla and other maker who is rely on that network as well. >> yes, we'll talk about the auto makers who will make the supercharging standard the standard they can use for their vehicles as well in terms of the network it's considered by those with evs to be the gold standards in terms of number of places you can access it, which is 6,249 worldwide about 2,500 in the u.s. in terms of charging ports within those locations, worldwide more than 57,000 the estimate is that somewhere between 24 and 25,000 charging ports are here in the united

states because it has been so successful and you can probably see tesla supercharging stations you don't see other charging networks you have now a number of automakers who said we're going with this standard, this year ford, gm, hyundai, mercedes, they are or will be in the process of adopting the standards. cnbc reached out to ford in the process of giving adapters to current owners that can be used at tesla supercharging sites they're not changing their plans at all looking at who will do it next year, toyota, honda, nissan, bmw. we showed you the charging companies, charge point, ev go, blink and you see shares of tesla. bottom line is this, tesla, as we say and have been reporting, they're cutting more than 10% of their staff. it was reported that elon musk wanted to do 20% so it's not a huge surprise that

the decision was made. we don't need the current staff that are part of the supercharger network team. now whether or not they do more with others and that's how they expand the supercharger network in the future that remains to be seen don't forget they're also getting money from the federal government for their supercharger network it's not like they're turning it off completely. >> when he says more focus on 100% uptime, what does that mean where are we in terms of how long it takes these days >> depends you know, generally speaking, david, the most recent, they are among the fastest in terms of how quickly you can get an 80% charge whether that's the course of 20 minutes, 25 minutes, it is improving steadily in terms of how quickly you can charge a vehicle. remember, the holy grail, what everybody would love to see eventually is that recharging your vehicle is about the same length of time it takes to fill

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officers began removing a pro-palestinian encampment at the university of madison wisconsin. it comes hours after violent clashes broke out at ucla and after new york city police officers sent special units into a building breached by protesters on the columbia university campus. and marjorie taylor greene said she will force a vote next week to oust house speaker mike johnson accusing him of betraying the gop by going against conservative wishes bypassing government funding bills and giving aid to ukraine. it came a day after hakeem jeffries said the democrats would help save the speaker's job. let's get another check on starbucks this morning trading on five year lows. the company missed estimates, slashed the forecast for the year the ceo joined us in the last hour and jim cramer asked why

investors should hold onto the stock. >> if i look at the u.s. occasional customer they have clearly cut back on visits to us if you look at the value for money scores we have, they're still strong but there's no question that the occasional customer is cutting back on visits to us we have not been able to communicate to them the value that we provide. so what we are doing about it, it's not business as usual but there's an action plan we have in place in order to do that to reach them and communicate the value that we are providing. what we are doing for that, we are making it attractive for them to come back into the starbucks app and join it. on the app you will see value they haven't seen because they haven't been part of that environment. there are bundles put in place attractive for them. >> we asked about some of the comps from mcdonald's lately from young brands some of the

commentary from brands like pepsi that argue that certain cohorts of the consumer are beginning to crack. >> sure but there are bigger problems here the street is focused on counting two downgrades from deutsch bank to hold and the problem and the notes are consistent, i think jim channelled this well in the interview, there's very little visibility as to when these trends are going to inflect and just what is exactly causing them this occasional consumer, as he said, to leave the brand in such a sharp deterioration of traffic. sure there's pressure on certain parts of the consumer and the macro landscape but i think a lot of investors are worried there's something more to it and just citing from a bank of america consumer note saying there's tons of pushback and frustration with 51 minutes of prepared remarks and then cut guidance they cross the board. they don't sense the clients see this as a clearing event just

yet. >> yeah. always appreciate a ceo's willingness to come on and answer those difficult questions when the stock is -- that's the low of the day i think, down 16%. but even the loyalty program they saw a decline, at least perhaps -- year over year no but quarter to quarter, yes. >> that's why you have analysts out there, still a bull on the stock saying the weakness in the consumer was stark, broad based and still unexplained. the results were poor we can offer no defense and down sizably. we know china is week, we know the macro situation there. not the only ones to warn about that but what's -- pricing has always been a headwind for starbucks if they have $8 drinks. yes, it doesn't make things easier in the challenging environment. but they managed to draw people in, whether it's through innovation or drinks or

promotions. >> dunkin' donuts not seeing the same level of weakness, tim horton -- >> no. they're talking about growing shares starbucks down 16% not inspiring much confidence today. investors are counting down to the fed's latest decision on interest rates and steve liesman made his way down to d.c. ahead of all of it what are you expecting >> it's a meeting with mostly down side risk for investors the question is how sharply have the last three months shaped the fed's outlook. and what they plan to do about it the worst case is powell and/or the fed introducing some possibility of a hike, a moderate risk scenario the fed backs off outlooks for cuts. best case scenario is they describe inflation we've seen as

a blip i'm leaning to the moderate scenario probably change growth to be seen as moderate, a downgrade from last month, inflation remaining elevated, they said last month inflation had eased, won't say that again and the high risk, don't say the goals of low unemployment and stable inflation are moving to better balance. you want to watch that line in the statement. most likely powell and the fed play for time. the two year has increased most of this year so that's tightened financial conditions without changing rates. so powell and the fed's tasks might be don't do more harm here don't create a spike in rates or selloff in stocks that may not be warn r wranted rate cut probabilities, 1% today, 9% june these were 99% before. july off the table hopes and dreams for cuts in the winter, november and december up to 77%

i think it's best to expect the moderate changes the fed can get away with given the changes in the outlook. there remains a view out there amid a lot of economists that some of the inflation we've seen has been seasonal in wages and prices linked to the turn of the year powell and the fed will likely keep that possibility open while they maintain what they think is a still restrictive rate for the economy they think will cool the economy and inflation. remember, guys, it's a year in july since they reached that peak rate. so the idea of long and variable lags i think powell is going to rely on that >> do you know your number in the order today yet? >> no, we don't ever know our number we can be last, we can be first. you just don't know david. >> that's a good question because he has to have a lot of questions in mind. >> i always wondered you do go first sometimes. >> sometimes i get to go first i'm always -- you know, don't expect that but when it comes, you know, you got to be ready with a series of questions

wondering if your colleagues will ask them and if powell doesn't answer, what do you do you ask the same question again. >> we'll tune in, of course, steve later today for you and the fed chair as well, steve liesman. after the break, viking cruises is set to go public here at the nyc seeing indications right now 26 to 28. we'll talk with the chairman and ceo. that will be a first on cnbc interview ahead of the debut for that stock plus check out shares of djt it had a strong day yesterday down today remember, i've talked endlessly about the bonus shares if the stock stayed above for any 20 consecutive trading days, of course since the despacing it's been above that. mr. trump got the shares, 36 million. it was 40 million overall but 10% go to his other partners, although he's suing them he got 36 million shares, that's

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luxury cruise line viking holdings begins trading today, pricing near $24 a share implying a valuation of $10.4 billion. the company operates 92 cruise vessels around the world joining us is the ceo and seema modi, who covers the cruise industry your story, first of all, you founded the company back in the late 90s why what makes it so different. >> we're 27 years old and we founded with two guys, two mobile phones and four small river vessels and today we're a real company as i think we can prove by being here on the stock exchange. >> you're not just any other

cruise company why? >> we're different i think when you live life you should try to do things differently and better so we are very different from the big cruise lines we have a few distinguishing factors. we don't allow children under 18 on board we don't have a casino on board. it's a quiet, serene environment for people up in their anyones and people who want to go to destinations not water slides and the like so a different company. >> at a time when all the cruise lines are changing their product, adding attractions and activities on board you stuck with this idea that all the ships should be basically identical. does that strategy work over time >> it has worked extremely well. and i'm in the -- the main thing

is you work on something, you design it, get it right in the first place. and that's what we have done and it has a lot of advantages both for the guests, for the staff on board and for the shareholders to give good returns. >> we talked about the customer you're going after baby boomers, royal, carnival, norwegian focused on all travelers. talk to us about that market, that demographic how much money is there? >> they're the richest group we have around. they have the money, they have the time and it's -- in my belief, the moment you try to do everything for everybody you know what happens, you do nothing well so we are very, very clear focused. and that is reflected in all of our customer ratiratings. the rewards we get and so forth. doesn't make us as large as the

others but attractive to the consumers. >> $10.5 billion valuation looking to raise 1.5 billion in the ipo, what are you doing with the proceeds >> we have had private equity partners in the company. so you can say that most of this is because private equity people by the nature of the business they're in have to have liquidity from time to time so the purpose of this is liquidity to the private equity people i personally have over half the shares of the company and i'm not selling one share. >> we normally ask the cruise line ceos about capacity and how much they want to gamble on future capacity growth how do you think about that? >> we are very fortunate because we look -- we have our guest book far in advance so we have good indication what the b bookings are going to be of course it is in the future so

you don't have any guarantees but i think it's a huge amount for the product we have. more and more people that get to middle age, 60s, 70s, 80s even and we have had problems just having enough capacity as it has been >> and you're benefitting from a demographic boom in that age group. >> absolutely. >> are there -- is growth coming from additional routes to the same kinds of countries or new countries overall? >> right now with our fleet we cover all the rivers in europe we cover the nile and on the oceans we cover really all interesting destinations but we're different because when you talk about the big cruise lines they're large in the caribbean. we have a tiny sliver in the caribbean. the rest is europe if you want to go to europe, when do you think you should go? >> spring? >> no. you should go in the winter. you don't have all the tourists.

and it's turned out big for us so go in the winter. that's how we are. we are contrarians. >> i'm going to keep that in mind >> that's a boomer. >> now you're a public -- excuse me >> nothing. >> okay. your investors raising price? >> we have been fortunately because during the pandemic, we behaved quite well, and we have had the fortunate position of having private equity with us, so we dared to place orders for ships when nobody else dared so we now have capacity coming on stream at reasonable prices so, of course, there's going to be growth in that regard i think prices, you shouldn't gouge prices you should have a fair price, and our pricing is so that everything is included people know exactly what it costs to go on a viking cruise we don't do any additional things when you get onboard.

so i think the capacity looks very good for us >> what happens typically during a recession? with the -- when the high-income consumer gets hurt obviously, the pandemic was something different, but you've been through a lot of cycles now. >> we have been. 2 2 9/11 made us, because it was so tough, but we said, what can we do we said, let's be different. let's market more. so on 9/11, we marketed more the financial crisis, we marketed more. we have a fantastic marketing program and we spend much more money on marketing than anybody else and we created demand and we are very fortunate with the guests that we have. because they are of a certain age and with that age comes also time they have time so it's the right group to go after. of course, we say that rich people tend to suffer less in a recessionary periods, but they

suffer a little bit. but our guests have funds. we try not to be overly expensive, but we have a great product. and of course, by being public, as you said, they will demand things from us >> they will >> but i've written a letter to shareholders, where i say we will -- there are some things we will do, but there are four things we will not do, or we'll continue to do first, we obsess about customers. and i took this inspiration from, without too strong a comparison, to jeff bezos. second, we trut our staff well, and we have the first call of on st staff.

thirdly, we like to be contrarians. we're in business to create long-term value for our shareholders, and we shall not worry too much about quarterly results. of course, we worry a little bit, but it shouldn't drive us and finally, we said we should be concerned about the environment, where we have been leading the pack in terms of what kind of propulsion we have on chip ships and so forth st st so it's a big day for us >> we appreciate you taking time to talk to us and the viewers about it we'll watch for the open thank you. we'll be right back here we've come back a little bit dow is up 75 the s&p 500 trying to fight back it's still down a little more than a tenth of 1% we'll be right back.

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watching the chips, as always amd down sharply post-results, kristina partsinevelos here at post nine to break down the numbers and the pain that appears to be spreading. >> the two major reasons we're seeing amd down, the first has to do with continued weakness in their embedded business, which is programmable chips and the weakness in gaming those two segments are why many analysts have reduced sthatheir

estimates. the other negative driver is the mi300. they had a $3.5 billion revenue guidance for the year. they increased it to $4 billion. which is a chip that's going to give nvidia a run for its money. the street was hoping for at least $5 billion with buy side whichsper numbers as high as $6 billion. even though ubs is saying, this is a buying opportunity. a few other antalysts are sayin the same thing >> kristina, short on time there, but i'm glad we got through it >> i was about to keep going >> thank you, kristina a lot more market coverage for you strahtheig aad

good wednesday morning welcome to "money movers." today, when do higher bond yields break equities? goldman's peter oppenheimer helps answer that question today. >> then, as europe achieved a soft landing david herro joins with his top