>> do you see him every day? >> of course. >> we send our best. taking a look at the futures at 17 seconds, maybe we can do stocks. you've got that moderated a bit. nasdaq up about 15. yields, as we saw about 440 or so, wasn't it, on the ten-year? >> yes. >> we'll be back tomorrow. >> tomorrow. >> we, we. make sure you join us. "squawk on the street" is next. ♪ good monday morning, welcome to "squawk on the street," i'm carl quintanilla with criminal cramer, david faber has the week off. premarkets steady. dow 40-k in the books. positive commentary. we'll get to that. ongoing with stocks one longtime

bearish strategist has finally capitulated. it is nvidia's week. four analysts upping their targets ahead of results on wednesday. and apple reportedly edly slash iphone prices to count huawei. a historic week for stocks, jim. we got to 40k, we hosted 11 on the vix, but just barely, but we did. >> people are stalki talking ab stock market. for the long time, they talked about my tomatoes. and then say, wow, what is that about? people who have not been in. people who are thinking, is it too late? i try to present a constructive view. but it's gotten in people's minds, carl, and also numbers from gallop last week who said 62% of the people are back. someone in their house owns stocks. that's up from 52.

which was interesting. 52 was the low, which is just when the dow got back to where it was before 2007. so, you had 2007, people got back to even and they left. and now gen-z, gen x back. millennials back. boomers i think just blown out and don't rely. and it's quite encouraging, because if we can get people in stocks as opposed to more radical things that people by, the options, double etfs, single stock options. i think we might find the next selloff which of course, there will be one, we'll have new buyers, it's dequite surprising. >> adding to the population of buyers, marginal for prices. >> right, as long as you have the buybacks above last year, we'll talk about jpmorgan in terms of being conservative. you may have a situation, i'm not talking about the melt-up.

i know people talk about that but a virtue of circles, people come back and companies buy back, and with that source of supply, the equequilibrium, you have to go higher. so i think it's really quite amazing, carl. we have people who are back and people who have never been who are in. and it's making them money. so, we have to be a little more buoyant about our outlook. >> meantime, we mentioned some of the commentary. a lot of it circles around that reflation scare being over. >> yes. >> upside for earnings, deutsch goes to 258 today. >> i know. >> and of course, mike rosen is all over the tape on his -- it's a little weird, it's not a year-end, it's a 12-month, but he's no longer calling for that decline by the year-end. >> i said to my colleagues, they actually put up for that, i feel bad for them, we forgot how

great he was. we forget how he got us out. sometimes, you have to get back in. and not that i tell you when to get out, i'll tell you when to get in. i'll tell you when tell gets too negative. he didn't understand that the market had pivoted. for what -- mostly because of the fed. i think it's a great, unfortunate, learning lesson in that there were so many things that were negative that it should have gone down. i've been going over this with a lot of people. okay, ukraine, why doesn't it go down? israel, gaza, why doesn't it go down? election, why doesn't it go down? rates, why doesn't it go down? the answer is, the assets come back to life. we don't talk about it enough. the asset which had been so condition credited by the 2000 dot bomb, by the 2007 spike, and then declined by the 2016 scare, but those are now in the rear view mirror. even the covid decline seems to

now look like all one giant buying opportunity. and it's a rational view. because think about it. we're at 40,000. when i got in, we were right down to it, down 1000. all i heard, we were going to 500. i think it's important to recognize that the mike wilsons of the world are not a new phenomenon, they're an old phenomenon. >> it's funny, there was a game on twitter the other day. look up the price of the dow on your first day of business. >> 1,081. i kept thinking, you know, all the naysayers could be wrong. i am going to buy texas. i bought texas instruments. i bought motorola. i bought companies that just were going -- i hate to say this -- but had momentum. and it's been momentum ever since. because momentum is not -- momentum is part of the equation. and just like those failures that i mentioned, the fear factor. people don't trust momentum.

and get momentum is animal spirits, the greatest of our markets, they are a factor. and do we celebrate them? i think we all feel that ever since 2000, if we celebrate anything, remember the dow 40,000 had that i got, i didn't take it out from here. i didn't take it out because i thought it might be a jinx. i just don't want to be part of a jinx. and i'm afraid myself to say anything that sounds like cheerleading. we all remember when we cheerleading in 2007, it's disastrous. there's something between cheerleading and about da gauge. it's rational. we have a market, historically, when you have the fed about to -- the fed switches from being your enemy to your friend. that's when you buy. you don't just buy, buy, buy. you wait until you've got thing that indicates that the fed has pivoted. that's when you do do it.

we saw it 1998, the fed pivoted with long-term capital. we know that the fed pivoted in 2002 too long. we know that the fed pivoted under bernanke. when they try to increase rates, it's a good time to buy. >> when do we get back to worry about growth? what if we see cracks in the labor market in the next coming months. i notice target, prices on 5,000 common everyday items. they've got earnings tomorrow. >> right, right, which is interesting, you wouldn't cut unless you think you have too much inventory. but the inventory of walmart is very neat. when we talked about yesterday, a black box target here. we know home depot was not good, but then we know it didn't even get hurt. everyone using endless buying opportunities. let's go back to the labor thing. there are 600 red lobsters and

there is a chance that the endless shrimp deal that was not a long -- it was meant to be limited time, but got long term. and didn't really hurt the company. you're aware of this, at the beginning, i'm waiting for the rite aids to drop, my rite aid has no inventory. you see these things, that's a big change, too. those are signs of the fed, if you didn't are cracks you'll never get what you want. it will be a foot race between what the fed does and the layoffs. and right now, i think the fed is in pole position. but then if they don't, it's like a precondition, it's not going to get it it's sustained. >> morgan stanley note, still looking for three cuts this year, argues that the population supply shock that we got, made the economy bigger and also allows the fed to cut industry. >> i think they would do well to not do that kind of stuff. if i'm running that strategy, why would they say that rate cuts are a possibility?

why do we draw a line in the sand. mike wilson drew a line in the sand. i know we don't want wish she wash she analysts but i sure wish he had. i wish he said if these things happen, i need to be more constructive, but he never did. and the things that needed to be more constructive didn't occur. and the fact that he didn't leave himself with that, the fact that they're going with three rate cuts, i've been doing this 40 years. the one thing you never want to say, let me tell you what's going to happen -- no, let me tell you factors that could happen. when i was in the industry, i was make the declaring things on cnbc, like this is going to happen. i learned my lesson because when it doesn't happen you get mike wilson. >> it's a tough business. >> it is. >> we have got nvidia due out later in the week, barclays baird and stiefel raised their targets over the took.

up almost 90% for the year. b it's at 1200. >> this is the beginning of when you get the nvidia platform. what they're going to be doing is bringing out the new chip that can take video. it means basically, this -- when blackwell comes out, anything you can do, a robot can do better. i showed to you. and i do think, if you base it on this quarter, then i think you're going to be faced with -- last year, this time, we got the fabled may, greatest myths ever, he told my wife lisa. greatest myths ever. it's on the upside. you do have a transition but unlike the transition from, say, the 386 to 486 to pentium with intel, they're not obviating their curt iteration, it's just

that they're adding it more and can't add it fast enough. i want everyone to understand that there an overwhelming sense that the chips that google is making, and chips that microsoft is making and chips from amazon are somehow made to compete -- no, they're meant to complement. that's not the achilles' heel of ined any virginia. it would be if amd would develop a chip that can also be trained but they don't have it. i really respect what they're doing. but there's no doubt about it, it's a step function from what jensen long is doing. don't judge him by this quarter. >> meantime, we do have a microsoft event in redmond. dell got upgraded at bernstein. >> right. >> and hp -- >> yeah, hp has it, now, i could be -- i could be wrong about this, because i might be early. but this is the biggest pc

refresh untiin history. the trust by best buy, knowing that you have to get through this quarter. but i didn't want to own it -- i didn't want to wait until somebody said now that the bad quarter is over, let's buy it. i'm probably early on the club. >> best buy? >> best buy. you got to refresh like no other. your pc is no good. because you had to talk to your pc it's part of a.i. microsoft is there. hp is presenting itself as a winner. dell is the actual winner because michael dell was in the front row of the fabled gcc conference where he became the de facto for nvidia, nvidia is not a chip company, at plate form company. it's so gassed it's a supercompute. >> so your pc is going to be no good. >> right. >> would you say the same thing

about the a phone, iphone? >> i think the iphone next generation has to incorporate far more a.i. than itdoes. you snow what, tim cook would say that. tim cook was cackling when i said i need my iphone to have what android has. he's like -- okay. that's good enough for me. >> there's a piece, bloomberg has got a piece today how they need to drift off from the a.i. age? >> well, i think over and over again, we have said that apple was not doing something right. meantime, they were doing it. by the way, the story about the price cuts in china, we said february was bad, march was worse. turned out march was better. almost every report has been wrong. >> really, jim mentions, said to be making a move, conduct prices to some argue new lows on the huawei competition, jim but you're just not willing to --

>> no, and then we see, the cities, it's doing better. the desire to knock back apple by everybody is extraordinary. and i've got to try, i tried to say i was tool tough on tony seguinnetti. he came out in the quarter, he was presenting it as a multiyear opportunity, not a quarter-year opportunity. sometimes, i'm too tough on tony. it's a great call. >> he's got other calls that you disagree with. >> you snow what, i remember from the old days, he's just such a nice guy. i was way tool tough on him, he's a cerebral fellow who is very complete until things. >> we're going to talk apple and financials as jpmorgan has the investor day. >> so far, so good. he's part of the problem. see, i want to be positive. then i listen to him and i just want to walk it back a little --

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♪♪ . time for cramer's mad dash to the countdown to the bell today. >> market never lacks for excitement. this morning, elliott partners which i think the world of took a $1 billion stake in johnson controls. i think it looks at sense when you look back, first of all, it hasn't gotten back to 2022.

it hasn't kept pace with carrier and train. i think this is -- as far as i'm concerned, these things tend to start friendly? nope, here are things, ideas that they do. we don't know if you started buying and moved up but when you cooperate, when you cooperate, they have a fountain of ideas. they do incredible work. and when you don't cooperate, it becomes difficult. there's no reason it has to be difficult, because they do come in as people might not realize constructively. it's only the management itself that defeatsthe constructive attitude. it's not the way elliott works and i think it's going to be a good one. >> right. now, the story has been a lot about streamlining, selling h back or selling ldt and trying, right? >> well, one thing that has hurt them, if you look at antitrust and you wanted to be bought by

honeywell or by train, this administration will not let you do that. no, arguably, i would tell you, maybe it shouldn't, it should have a lot of competition. but these guys have kept a lot of their customers. i will warn people, it's up on a spike because of elliott. i don't expect any takeover. i don't expect any sort of movement. but i do think that the company will be under pressure for some time because it's been such an underperformer. >> right. >> by the way, i would say myself, maybe the ceo leadership team needs scrutiny here. >> do you think it's the most interesting activist story since disney? >> yes, i do. >> how many others there have been, really. >> yes, one of the reasons, this is one of the hottest. they have data center hvac. anything data center is so hot, some like it hot, but i do -- wait, again, hey, that movie ended so well. >> nobody's perfect. >> nobody is perfect. >> what i would say about johnson controls is nobody's

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gamestop moving lower in the premarket after last week's wild ride with meme names. jim, we talked about the split in fundamentals and market prices. >> well, and i was thinking about what brought a lot of gen-zers back was this, a belief that you could beat wall street. it was never wall street you were trying to beat. it was you were investing in a company with shaky fundamentals, take two, it's a very hard business, when they get the game right, it's got to be perfect. but you don't buy it there. you download it on your xbox. but the fundamentals, what they seem to not understand, the

people who are buying it, is it's a company. it's a company that's very challenged. it's a company with very little information. it's a company that's kind of a ceo who doesn't really care for explaining what he does. >> right. >> he doesn't have short positioning. there's so many other spots they could have gone after it they should just let is alone and resist. i feel badly. there's no short to beat up on. there's no short that's flailing that you have to cover. now you're investing in a company that's a second-rate company. >> do you think the companies themselves are now nimble enough to say, look, if you're going to present this opportunity, we're going to meet you at the market? >> i was very surprised. why didn't gamestop have that in place. he completely gaffed everybody, he was such a good ceo. i would have thought that gamestop had some program that was ready. you as had to preannounce,

apparently at the same time, you couldn't issue a program, apparently and not tell people how poorly you were doing. you could have quarter ago got in. gamestop, they just didn't do it fast enough. and they don't have a bad balance sheet. i don't want to portray that they needed to cash this, certainly. but if you're going to continue in the way they're doing, where you have a declining business, you need all the cash you can get. they needed to reinvent the money. so i was trying to figure out what they could be doing. i did come back to they have too many stores. there are must be some stores that are profitable. you have to close the ones that are not. that would have saved a lot of the company. and encore could have been saved by closing the nonperformers but they seem paralyzed. and people are investing in a paralyzed situation and they're doing it at the market which i hate. that means you can't move it up. they'll always be there. >> we'll keep an eye on it, it's certainly been an interesting

week or so, given the meme dynamic. the big board, clothing company, contour brands celebrating its anniversary. and the nas dak candymaker so good, celebrating a recent ipo. >> by the way, contraband, i interviewed them this morning. it's a remarkable company, a spin-off from the f-corp. as the company has been aiting, scott baxter, the ceo, you've got the country singers all aligned with them. and it is a look, when they did this at&t look, challenged levis. but an athleisure look that is challenging. >> this week, jim, we're getting tjx, rl, pbh and among others. >> it's challenged. he used to be at procter &

gamble tjx recommended all over the place. i don't know, ralph lauren had such an amazing quarter. and it took so long for the street to react. the stock is now up appreciably from when it had its last quarter. and they're doing a remarkable job. and the pvh corp i can tell you of all of those, i think ralph lauren is going to put up the best numbers. >> right >> because patrice is just a remark only unsung ceo >> along with ulta, lulu, berle and. bh, jim. >> yeah, lulu down, and a lot of people gunning for them. if you look at the

pseudo/athleisure aspect of what kontoor is doing, just one challenger from gap stores although they haven't emphasized it yet this is where lulu does a good number i don't know if people care. i don't know geez, the multiple has shrunk there. >> yeah. >> it's shrunk, because everybody wants that business. pretty cheap, wow, i didn't know it was down that much. >> hasbro did get out of morgan stanley's top pick list, jim, along with progressive i wonder in the consumer front, toys >> well, chris cox has reinvented hasbro. he's done a lot of tough things to get things right there that needed to be done. i think that's one that i really do like of the -- of the -- you know, for a while, but the upgrades seem very positive and justifying >> meantime, nclh is leading the

s&p. what are you going to talk about tonight? >> we know from endless data which it be from mastercard which put out a fantastic piece last week, this is still the best bargain people love to cruise. norwegian cruise has lagged the group. frank del rio used to run the company, no longer, harry som m mer, we had the viking idea. carnival is up on this people love to cruise, carl. i had a cruise booked for the last week of february. >> you obviously couldn't go >> no it got a cold -- >> yeah. that's what i hear >> yeah that was a bummer. >> that's a nice game for those watching travel trends speaking of calls, jim we got initiations on rubric

today. everybody loved it, barclays, overweight, evercore. >> rubric, i said that, we looked at each other and said, you know what, enterprise software, cloud data management. security, regulatory compliance. in other words, buy it it is, i guess, it's incredible. kind of like -- it's kind of like, well, i don't know about you, but it sounds like -- system spunk let's buy rubrik. these are companies that try to be the next salesforce, the next palo alto or crowdstrike what will they ought to be is

themselves now pall palo alto reports tonight. we'll see. he's got the hot hand but george kherson of crowdstrike, the guy never misses but those are what these companies are meant to e they want to be the next so-and-so. the next so-and-so i don't like that. i want to be the one that is, not the one that's next. >> right >> to be sure, there's there's that taken, right, ibm -- >> that was interesting, you're right. you're absolutely right. i just feel, i'm betting on the cash down 60 points. and he's a proud man and has delivered over time. i can't wait to hear what he has to say >> jim, the oil market was not really shaken by the now confirmed death of the iranian president. >> wow, what was the oil marked. the economist has a piece that

suggests foul play i know, when you see what happened, it just doesn't seem that way but we know that we still have -- there's a sense that we repeat in it for now, you could jack up oil, but it's not happening. and some people are saying, you know what, when you see the preponderance of what is in china, the phenomenal demand -- the marginal demand from china may be out >> right >> but that may be data center >> yeah, climate tech and all of that but kcopper to date, 35%. >> remember in housing and stealing it? >> oh, my god, i went to a waste management yard and people are like, don't throw in any copper. it's no longer chinese housing, it's data center what an incredible story, we've

written off copper so many times and it's obviously wrong i know that copper's a great by-product of gold i was thinking of looking at gold miners. >> we mentioned jpmorgan a few moments ago, our leslie picker is there and overseas trying to quantify the a.i. use cases >> they are the onces, just for the record that spent the most time in nvidia they're the times trying to figure out exactly how well to integrate it there's no doubt about it that they've always been a remarkable machine. >> giving some other high-ranking officials some more responsibility >> well, that could be interesting, because even in fabulous series succession -- >> yes >> -- at some point, jamie will do it. obviously, jamie dimon is a much much loved ceo by investors, and i think that as long as he's

there, people want own the stock. >> of course, jpmorgan, goldman, and they've been putting in high after high the last couple of weeks >> let's pay attention to wells fargo. we have morgan stanley but this is charlie sharp and charlie is getting -- he's picking up all of these different 55 and 65-year-old guys that didn't become ceo at he's banks and it's amazing, one of the things that you learn, you have to retire at a certain point because you're going to lose all of the people 53 to 57 they recognize that they don't have enough time to be a tenured ceo, so now i think that charlie sharp, he's worked at jpmorgan, but visa, all right, i'll take it he's why let building up a real investment powerhouse. watch charlie. i think he's got it. he's got momentum behind him that were not his fault.

>> right >> all new board, all new team confident, share buyback remarkable man, by the way >> you're talking about a real evolution in the mortgage business now a thing of the past >> yeah, i think that they want investment banking and if charlie wants that, if they want m & a, they'll get it because he's a very respected businessman. and business person. and i do think -- look, like i said, i happen to favor wells because charlie's back those of us who remember sharpe from the days when he was -- he isn't the teddy bear that he is now. >> exactly jim, micron gets an upgrade today over morgan stanley to go overweight pop i wonder how that fits in. >> joe morris said he belatedly game in. he remained negative for too

long micron was a mistake, saying negative i like that. i would have liked that if he would have been positive but at least there's some humility. this is the stock, when you get it right, when you get it stock, you have to have it when people really hate it but i have to tell you if you parse what sanjay morose said, you would have gotten it, because sanjay said, listen, the inventories are lean on that first base on the way to everest, that first base camp is when he said inventories are lean following of microns realize you can't wait until it's better and morris waited until it was better it can wait three years and go back down. they have a less cyclical business related to data centers and high bandwidth memory has been fantastic notice, by the way, they make things in america, and sanjay, i love what the commerce

secretary -- i love it but sanjay is his own commerce secretary. >> in terms of -- >> making it he spent a lot of time with intel which is great i would check that balance sheet at intel but i do think micron can do it alone or with someone. but sanjay is the king of american chips >> interesting >> yes and by the way, a quiet man, not a braggadocio. just goes about making chips there's only a couple of companies and the stock really dominant that's why that stock can go higher >> speaking of things in this country, this out of mercedes -- were you surprised >> y,es, i was. when i look at what ford had to give and gm had do give and people are basically voting for

status quo and if you look at the deals they got in detroit, wow, they were great i'm sure there are people like my wife saying, jimmy, so-and-so's ceo is making $2 billion why shouldn't he but i was surprised. >> meanwhile, reuters has a piece on tesla about the company trying to assuage complaints from fleet managers in europe. and then kind of takes to you l us to what elon musk said on the most recent earnings calls whether or not you're buying tesla as a car company or autonomy player. here's what he said. >> if you value tesla as an auto company it's the wrong game work if someone believes tesla is going to solve the company, i think they should not be an investor in the company. and we will. and we are >> that's from a group advocating for the pay package

vote >> well, look, the pay package, what do you want to say, it's a deal it's a contract, he should get the money. but wherequizzical, he wants to value that company, nvidia, 25 timings the future earnings and his is selling 68 if i want the tech company that he relies on, i'll buy the stock of nvidia. i'll wait until after wednesday so i don't have to pay that rush he is right that one day that tech will be a driving force but right now, it's not. >> i guess, so your advice then is nvidia over tesla >> oh, yeah. nvidia may be the beginning of the new industrial revolution. tesla has not been able to make the chips in nvidia. i know there was a time, elon musk had to come back to the fold look, it is -- it's a $550

billion company. it is clearly not being valued as an auto company because ford's $48 billion you have to say you're kind of in no man's land i wish tesla well. obviously, he deserves the money because he got the contract. but it doesn't mean i want to buy the stock. i'd rather buy companies that are betting in the revolution. a dell, a servicenow i see kendra this morning making a deal with nvidia you have to get with jensen. i did a lecture about getting with jensen. you have to get with him because it's the industrial revolution nothing that you have will be the same after the gpus become more broad they're not broad right now. >> right the "times" has a piece on paramount with sony apollo signing some ndas. >> right >> they do backup favors last week cooling on the idea of all cash >> yeah, david has been wright

on that, i talk to david, and paramount, kenny paramount, every single week, but he's correct. that's even more fraught than my position on disney for my travel trust. thank heavens we sold a lot. >> did you really? >> oh, my god. and it was just discipline when peltz left. i know that peltz's name, there are people who say peltz would not be good. the stock did go higher. i'm interested in the stock i'm not interested in whether goofy and pluto are unionized but goofy and pluto, yes, mercedes no >> that's right. >> i don't know. the seven, how did the seven go? >> i'm looking at dow component year to date, jim and where disney ranks >> oh, geez. >> yeah, we talked the the other day about its lack of contribution to dell, 40k in the last weeks

>> well, i've done enough to say negative things about bob iger my travel trust is in. hugh johnson bought bob iger we'll figure something out we go back again and again what a bad business anything linear tv is. the cord nevers are now -- the cord nevers are so prevalent that you feel like, you take the bundle i mean, i think, when i meet with young people, i'm trying to get them to watch me they watch me on this 20-minute -- this ten-minute thing i do, people know that they say, man, i'll tell you, you've got this big program, i'm thinking "mad money. no, the meeting -- no, the mad money, the "squawk on the street" -- no, no, the meeting oh, my, how did that happen. >> that's interesting. not to mention, jim, a lot of interest out of cannes, including talking about the box

office being down year on year, that streaming audience she argues may get out of the habit of going to the movies >> i think those of us who still go to the movies feel -- i look around, i say, wow, there's a lot of old people there. my wife says, huh. there's not as many cinemas. i went to see "the fall guy" i thought it was fantastic i thought, movies are back "oppenheimer" the big screen the costco big screen, the ability to stop it whenever you want your couch is dinah m dynamite. i paid $7 for a box of good and plenty the popcorn was -- it was a $100 outing >> and no sitter >> right, no sitter, thank

heavens gs because the kids -- that's the saving grace. you can't go to the movies without spending so much money $2.50 it was fantastic and then red lobster. >> when you're arguably giving up is that communal experience amc, i'm taking a look as well >> i've got communal experience with my couch and my dog my dog is somewhat interested. he's been in one of those learning kennels the last two weeks. do you think a dog -- it's kind of how michael went to college to get stupid in "godfather ii." he's going to kennel to get stupid >> that's a good deep track as well decent track this week, dow up as well. and bosley, waller, and tonight at 7:00. >> a continuous swoop.

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it's time for jim and stop trading. >> a disturbing piece out, one of my favorite stocks, elf, elf beauty, declining market share i don't know about the declining market share, because they're good but there is a slow down in u.s. mass beauty sales the likes of which i've never seen. and it's including amazon, costco, ulta i don't know what to say this is a group that had been very, very strong for very long time, and it's just cracks

there's cracks everywhere. i thought it was just that when sephora got in they could really create a huge competition because they moved aggressively at kohl's. i'm holding by that, but i don't know i mean, people -- retail is tough. tjx, there were three firms that told you to buy it the stock down $1. retail is very, very tough i can't wait to see what target does people are saying, wait a second, the discount says look out. i'm rooting for brian. >> yeah. >> i'm just rooting for him. >> i did notice ulta and dash expanding their delivery partnership. remember your instagram trade. >> yes. >> that was a long time ago. >> selfie best >> yeah. >> the one -- look look, walmart and costco may be -- walmart, costco and amazon, sorry, are the three great retailers of our time. i sometimes order things on amazon in the morning just to see if they're back there in the afternoon. >> i dare you to -

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david has the morning off. takea look at stocks higher fo the s&p here in the early action up 0.3% building on last week's gains. nasdaq leading up 0.7% a lot of tech catalysts with meetings and nvidia earnings the treasury picture right now yields are little bit firmer but well off the highs the 10-year note yield 4.435% amid a flood of fed speak. 30 minutes into the trading session here are three movers we're watching johnson controls one of the top gainers in the s&p on the back of that report that activist investor elliott management has built a more than billion dollar stake in the name. shares have lagged its industrial peers norwegian raising its guidance for the full year the company's ceo saying it's continued to see, quote, very strong demand and rohrbachings and then nvidia a big stock to watch, the company set to report earnings getting price target hikes ahead of the results coming off four straight weeks of gains up more than 20% in the

past one month alone and up another 2.6% this morning. carl, that's where we begin the week ahead not a lot of macro data. that was last week until we get really the pce report next friday, but as far as this week goes it's going to be more earnings on the retail space, names like macy's out there after a big surge in walmart last week and, of course, the nvidia earnings, the microsoft developers conference tomorrow, i mean we're watching for the fed minutes on wednesday. i think the key question on the minutes because remember, this is the notes from the last meeting, it's a little bit stale, but the big headline at the last meeting when powell said it's unlikely the next move would be a rate hike, was there dissent, other fed members disi gre with that stance i would add any concern about the softening in the labor market trends? since then we did get a cooling jobs market a little bit and that reset the tone and the narrative around, okay, maybe the fed's got a point when it's

iching to cut rates because the job market is finally starting to deteriorate a little bit. >> bowman was a little hawkish on friday. interesting to hear bostic, not uncharacteristically this morning, saying that pricing power has waned and you couple that with what target is doing on the price cuts ahead of earnings tomorrow it will be interesting to see whether goods can continue this disinflationary snoofts while services remain strong and services inflation and services spending starting to cool? because that's really the worrisome part of the market there was a good bank of america consumer note over the weekend wondering why are retail stocks acting so miserably when services spending is strong, the macro data on the consumer hasn't been that bad and one of the takeaways a lot of these stocks are more exposed to goods spending than services spending which has been a weaker part of the economy. looking forward to the target number later as far as inflation, as we try to monitor post-cpi which

thankfully for the fed and market came in a little bit, you know, inline to weaker than expected finally for the month of april, a good chart of how many inflation mentions there have been in earnings and that is coming down so another sort of anecdotal piece for the fed and markets to consider from the highs. number of companies citing inflation, it's on a downward slope. >> lowest since i think it's q2 of '21 three years. >> we'll take it. >> if it was the opposite we would have mentioned it. >> for sure. it's still elevated and still a problem, but it's coming down so that's a -- i guess a good data point as we wonder whether the inflationary trend -- look, the m.o. right to this morning in the bond note arguing we've seen the peak on yields an that's a key question right now it was, what, above 4.7 on the 10-year yield at the end of april? and with the weaker job report that we got and now weaker cpi,

weaker retail sales, the fed saying a hike is unlikely that threads together a narrative and not boosting auction sizes anymore. we know about what the treasury is doing when it comes to sales. does that argue for the top end yields and going to be helpful for stocks >> goldman did a piece last week about residual seasonality in the cpi-ppi components brookings, robin brooks takes a look at whether or not the u.s. and europe have an issue with measuring early in the year price hikes, did they get worse during covid could the tracker sort of normalize that into their models maybe we get a little -- maybe we're on the other side of the hill. >> a little relief covid has thrown a wrench in the data and made it consues fusing and the geopolitical backdrop. gold is higher today you could make the argument that this would -- would bode well for bonds as well. the flight to safety

we got the news over the weekend or today that iran's president and foreign minister were dead in this helicopter crash site. unclear what that necessarily means for the middle east, for markets, not a direct correlation, but we watch it because iran is a major oil producer, because of the war that's going on in gaza. when we talked last week to prime minister netanyahu and one of the key questions i asked him was, iran. like you're fighting hamas, but it's just this never-ending war until you confront iran which is funding hezbollah and hamas and here's how he answered that question. >> this is not merely our battle it's also your battle. because if they were to achieve, if they could knock out israel, they got the middle east if they gotthe middle east, they're going to be going right after you. they say it. they chant death to israel and death to america they want to develop not only conquering the middle east which we're preventsing them from

doing, but also developing intercontinental ballistic missiles tipped with nuclear warheads that could hold any city in the united states hostage. i don't think you want that. so confronting iran, rolling back iran's aggression, preventing it from getting nuclear weapons is not merely israel's interest, it's america's interest. >> that was one of his main points in the entire interview speaking to us here on cnbc, an american audience, our fight is your fight, especially when it comes to iran. so now we wait to see for the elections there and what happens. unclear if there's going to be any kind of change in the regime or not to the geopolitical backdrop which investors are watching. >> we've been taking note of the oil markets response, which oil is higher today, but not a dramatic response to that news meanwhile, stocks coming off their fourth consecutive week of gains. tech and com services lead the charge ahead of nvidia later in the week mike santoli is here, our senior

markets commentator talking about the road ahead we mentioned all morning long, mike, the positive tone out of morgan stanley. >> yeah. >> jpmorgan. yardeni today. >> there's an acknowledgement that the trend has been strong and resilient and i do think that you have the street a little bit luke warm and get their eyes grow too big in terms of potential forward terms i think it's worth reiterating when the market makes a record high it's more something to embrace than worry about they tend to persist a little bit longer the trend is positive in earnings, in, obviously, the market itself, in yields if they are tamed at this point, as sara was saying, and credit has been strong all that's kind of tough to fight even if you have really maybe unattractive valuations and sentiment is at risk we go up a little more from here we're going to be over bought again. the market over loved again and we have to decide if we need to cool off i don't think we're right there. the interesting piece to me, though, is the makeup of this latest rally we're up 7% almost in the s&p in

four weeks that's a pretty good move. it has been somewhat more defensive or eclectic and really captures that sort of fatigue on the consumer stocks side, consumer cyclicals, some defensive stuff working, and then global reflation trade that's running through foreign markets, commodities and to some degree u.s. markets. we're not really linked up in terms of where we are in the cycle and the market saying that's a good thing. what we want in the u.s. is decelerate into a soft landing and what we want for the rest of the world is for them to pick up the growth slack so far so good i continue to say the 5% pullback in april was helpful, but didn't necessarily get you to a point where you say oh, everyone needs to rush to rebuild exposure because we panicked out in april. >> mike wilson, morgan stanley, getting a lot of attention he always does he was right in 2023 but a lot are wondering if it's a contrarian or counter now that he's turned bullish. >> he was right in '22 to be

negative. >> right. >> last year - >> right '22 '23 wrong. >> in late july of last year we were wrong to be so negative, and just kind of marked his target to market he didn't really say buy them all. and that was right before the big correction that he sort of capitulated. i think that it's something if you see it really build towards strategists like this is an unstoppable market, then you start to say, sentiment doesn't really -- isn't your friend anymore. in this case, what wilson is saying is, you know, we're no longer having negative target, we think in a year we'll be flatish in the s&p, and earnings have been too strong i think that's something that he would basically say. if earnings are going to meet what we now think they can do, it's tough for the market to get into too much difficulty. >> right on a day where deutsch goes to 258 from 250 and although the spread ween wilson's bear and bull case is, a couple thousand points. >> it's sort of a reminder even the people who do it for a living, say handicapping and

predicting the market is essentially impossible so what you want to do is stay in tune with the trend and when you get too far away from the trend you have to, you know, kind of more or less confess that you're out of step and get back in line. >> thanks. one more step forward. we continue to look for pockets of opportunity for investors look to names like microsoft, tony well and tjx. senior portfolio manager joins us here on set great to have you. welcome. >> thank you so much, carl. >> mentioning those three names at least, talk about the thread that you see running through them what do they share >> sure. i think growth is the main commonalty across all three. i think you still want to have that growth across stocks in your portfolio valuation is a concern clearly we all talk about that as market hits new highs however, i think you want to have stocks grow for you. >> we just talked about some of the s&p earnings targets are you getting the feeling that

earnings will fill some of that gap where you don't have to fret so much about multiples? >> absolutely. i think we've seen with earnings season that there are companies out there who are growing. inflation is helping them out from a pricing perspective and revenue perspective. but, you know, i think overall, it's positive for companies in the s&p 500. >> what is the strategy around consumer stocks right now with worries building around resilience in the consumer, growth and jobs? >> absolutely great question i think for us we believe, you know, having exposure to quality names is really important. as walmart talked about last week, you know, having exposure to be sort of trade down in that higher end consumer, those consumers who are looking for value, looking for bar begins, i think nameslike tjx fit that bill. >> >> tjx has been a winner. do you revise growth targets at

this point right now given what you've heard >> in terms of earnings growth for individual stocks? >> based on what we're learning about consumer >> i think for us we think the gdp growth is moderating we continue to think that's going to be what occurs throughout the rest of 2024. but, you know, i think it's not going to come down so much where it's going to be problematic. >> meantime, i wonder, are we starting to talk about -- are investors calling about questions with regard to tariffs or what that will do to inflation in the case of a change of administration what happens after november? >> yes we're getting questions does investing in an election year and what that means for investors overall. you know, a lot of concerns over, you know, what type of impacts we'll have from tariffs and whether or not that's going to be inflationary again i think, you know, there's a lot to sort of play out still for the rest of the year but we're still positive as mike

talked about in terms of new highs, you know, leading to new highs. >> how much exposure do you guys have to tech i feel like everyone has wanted it to broaden out, and it still leads this marng >> sure. we're continuing to stay overweight tech. tech in the long term is where you want to be to achieve that growth that i talked about we want to balance it out with names that have some value towards them as well, cyclical names that, you know, can participate when the economy continues to grow. >> and then still favor u.s. over asia pack or europe >> we do like a u.s. centric approach however, we did see from the most region earnings report that a lot more positive commentary about europe, europe in terms of the consumer and the economy, has started to pick up a little bit. we'll get, you know, potential cuts out of the central bank in europe, so that could be a positive catalyst. >> june, still a live topic of discussion. >> i don't know. are we going to get two cuts

is that back on the table? >> for the fed >> yes. >> it is back on the table as far as the inflation keeps coming in below expectations >> yeah. try to do a repeat of what we got last week. we'll see. thank you. >> thank you appreciate it. >> as we head to break our road map for the rest of the hour jpmorgan meeting with investors as financial stocks hit new highs. we'll head live to the meeting and discuss how to play the big banks from here. >> if 2023 was the year of ai hype, 2024 is the year of disillusionment. the thought of one top leader in the space. he will join us later to discuss. >> another company getting in on the glp-1 weight loss action and that stock rallying double digits right now we'll name names when we come back "squawk on the street" just getting started. don't go anywhere.

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investor day today shares an outperformer on the year to leslie picker with the latest on what we've heard. leslie >> hey, good morning, sara yeah, jpmorgan cfo jeremy barn hamm addressing the reports about capital regulation this morning. >> we don't have any information about the regulatory deliberations that you don't also have. and despite the recent press coverage, we think it would be naive to predict the outcome with any confidence. >> now barn hamm noted the firm has about $78 billion in excess capital under current rules and believes even in the worse case scenario the firm has room to increase buybacks a bit. fed vice chairman michael barr speaking at the same time at an event in florida reiterating he expects regulators will make, quote, raw material changes to the proposal but not finished going through the, quote, substantial of the multitude of comments they have received. of course, guys, any rollback

could serve as a tailwind for jpmorgan's stock these shares are down a little bit today, but still near record high and nearly two times book expectations coming into today's investor day did seem quite lofty, but jpmorgan's new targets raising net income interest guidance and expense guidance did little to quell the excitement today's agenda featuring those who jpmorgan sees as its next generation of leaders and investors will be sizing up the speakers after a january reshuffling gave more responsibilities to many of them the half day of presentations will conclude with q&a and remarks from chairman and ceo jamie dimon, which almost always provides a plethora of headlines to choose from. >> okay. thank you, leslie. we'll look forward to hearing it from you as soon as it happens leslie picker. for more on the big rally in the banks, and jpmorgan senior equity researcher erica najarian live from the jpmorgan investor

day. what do you want to hear from management >> yeah. i want to hear when we can tap into that excess capital so, you know, just to extend on leslie's point, what they really said was look, we're looking for a few clarifications on basel iii endgame as well as a stress test coming up in june now that journal report from yesterday indicated that basel iii endgame will likely not be final until the end of the year and jpmorgan being conservative i don't think they're going to, you know, really accelerate buybacks until we hear a little bit more. with that said, i think we'll get more clarity in june on what that stress capital buffer will be, and i would like to hear what that ramp will look like in the second half of the year. to your point, you know, they haven't changed much in terms of their medium term targets and the stock is near all-time highs, so i think for a long only investors to get nor excited about the stock, we need to hear how they will distribute this embarrassment of riches in

terms of excess capital. >> beyond that, are there still questions about the outlook for net interest income, given the changing rate environment and outlook by the day >> look, at the end of the day, i think of all the money center banks, jpmorgan is best positioned to weather higher for longer and best positioned to weather even a shift in the current mindset. i think at the end of the day, what, you know, increasing the net interest income guide did for the stock is while as leslie mentioned expectations may have been robust coming in, it put the notion of beat and raise back on the table in terms of perhaps this is not going to be the end point for net interest income to the upside for 2024, which would clearly set up 2025 even better. >> marion lake sans delinquencies chargeoffs have normalized last week morgan stanley argued

we're past what they called peak deterioration in delinquencies on credit cards. do you think that's possible does the picture get better from here >> look, i mean, i think at the end of the day, delinquencies are the ultimate six-month ahead predictor of losses, and if we really truly are going to underwrite the soft landing and if pretty healthy consumer as the base case, yes, i think it's possible i mean it's always about the unemployment rate, and thus, i think that -- i believe that from marry ann as long as we don't have further deterioration of the unemployment rate from here. >> how about what appears to be the development of empowering some officials under dimon we're going to be fielding the conversation, whether we like it or not, about whether he's setting the tone for his departure one day? >> look, i think, you know, it's pretty clear jpmorgan has simply done the best job out of all the

money centers, head and shoulders above its peers in terms of communicating its succession plan, and while, you know, it's hard for us to predict who the successors will eventually be, it's clear to us and other investors that jennifer piecesack and marry ann lake are part of the top of the running of all of those photos you showed on the screen. >> and how do investors feel about that do they feel fine with it? is this -- is there any indication that this could happen soon? >> so look, i think jamie is under contract until 2026. i don't think he's going anywhere soon. but jennifer has been rotated out of the consumer bank to cohead the corporate investment bank mary ann cfo sole head of the consumer bank. the investor feedback has been uniformly positive on both women, so i think investors will be very, very happy with those two women, albeit those are tough shoes to fill i would

said. >> as we zoom out, erica, as investors try to figure out if banks are a good bet right now, where are we in the cycle? because it's been a -- we haven't really seen the downturn we're wondering if that's what's happening now with the rate outlook changing how do you answer that question? what do you tell investors to do with banks, given where we are >> great question. banks look optically cheap p/e is only 53% of the s&p p/e what we've been telling investors is while, you know, the picture for banks looks, you know, pretty good under a soft landing, you know, keep in mind that they're currently the sector that is a prove it sector for portfolio managers, so a soft landing for portfolio managers as it translates to banks, is usually seen as a delayed recession. so i think what we're thinking about in terms of, you know, how to position is, you know, continue to focus on high-quality at a reasonable price. jpmorgan is a stalwart in

portfolio but i would say wells fargo would fall under that bucket, truist would fall under that bucket. as we start thinking about election returns and if we have softening in congratregulation the hartland deal is a true indication of m&a coming back, i would tell investors be brave to dip auto your toes into high quality regional banks as well. >> that's a segment for another day. >> yes. >> a buy on jpm, 219 target. >> as we go to break look at gainers. clh leads the way, not just the best s&per but the fourth most active today this is the best day for that name since february and it's up already 12% for the month on "mad money" tonight. stay with us

welcome back to "squawk on the street." bitcoin continues to climb higher today coming off the best week since march the crypto currency up double digits since the beginning of the month and new data out of

pitch book revealing strong investor appetite in crypto so far this year according to the data provider crypto start-up funding for a second straight quarter $2.4 billion in the first three months of '24 and funding across 500 deals and rose by 40% from the previous quarter. it's time for a news you update to pippa stevens. >> good morning, carl. the chief prosecutor of the international criminal court said this morning that he will seek arrest warrants for israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu and hamas leader sinwar the prosecutor said both bear responsibility for war crimes amid the israel-hamas war in gaza israeli and palestinian officials are facing warrants. donald trump's forminger fixer michael cohen is back on the stand today facing more cross-examination from the defense. he is in the prosecution's final witness in the trial over whether trump falsified business

records related to payments to adult film actress stormy daniels. unclear if the defense will call witness joss a lie court in london ruled wikileaks founder julian assange has a right to appeal judges were not convinced by u.s. assurances assange would be allowed to rely on his first amendment rights in trial. he faces 175 years in prison sara >> pippa, thank you. pippa stevens. still ahead if 2023 was the year of ai hype, 2024 is the year of disillusionment, according to our next guest. check out the mystery chart. the stock rallying double digits more than doubled this year and what is driving the move when we come back on "squawk on the streetwi" th the dow positive by a few points [crowd chanting] they ignored your potential,

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microsoft expected to unveil its vision for ai pcs at this year's build conference. to steve covax in redmond, washington, with more ahead of the kickoff. good morning what we can expect. >> yeah, good morning. like you said, sara, this is about ai pcs and i know that's kind of confusing so let me explain what that means. it means we're going to hear a lot about what's called npus these are the chips that let computers do ai tasks without necessarily an internet connection or just a lot faster than normal. we're expecting qualcomm to be a really big part of this event today with the first pcs featuring qualcomm's new chip and might hear from microsoft's surface pcs, and hp dell and the like these chips are meant to compete with apple's chips its been shipping in the mac books for the several years now, the m-series chips

there's also just a ton of talk about ai hardware recently, but it's still unclear what those kind of hardware and gadgets can do on the software side. they need to explain that and microsoft and apple frankly in order to get themselves out of this pc slump after covid we've been seeing so far we're expecting even more, though, sara on the softer side tomorrow when build officially kicks off. a big keynote with satya nadella and his top executives as well steve what do you make of ai pcs? this is going to drive a new cycle of all of us needing to buy a pc what is the catalyst for them and the potential of the size of the market here? >> yeah. that's the hope, right, sara, that this kind of idea of even if we're just marketing them as ai pcs, people are going to run out there and want to upgrade because of that. but like i said, they really have to prove a use case, why is an ai computer, what can this computer do i couldn't do with a

computer i bought last year? that's the sales pitch they need to clarify and explain because right now, it's just very limited we know, for example, a lot of ai stuff we've been using, chatgpt and anthropic, perplexity, happens on the internet you don't need special hardware to do that the question becomes, what are they going to have in the operating system side that can convince people to buy it? carl >> perfect segue for our next -- say if '23 was the year of ai hype, '24 may be the year of disillusionment. joining us jerry marcus an ai expert and book of "taming silicon valley we can ensure ai works for us." good to see you. >> thanks for having me back. >> you've consistently offered gut checks about hallucinations, lack of progress, the way in which this is not the pipe dream that some envisioned have any of the recent product introductions changed your mind?

>> no. i mean, we're still basically working with the same technology it's still designed in the same way. it takes a lot of statistics from words and tries to predict what happens next. as soon as these things come out people start playing with them on twitter and so forth and you see a lot of examples where they're still making the same boneheaded mistakes as before. nobody has solved hallucinations, and i don't think we can with large language models we need genuine innovation we have a trap right now where people propose things like the humane ai event, imagining ai is solid and put it in the world and it's not solid i'm afraid it hasn't happened yet. i do think eventually we will solve ai we will have ai that can fulfill all the promises that have been made lately, but i think we're a decade away. >> are you going so far to argue the wave of investments that companies are making is misplaced? >> i think people are putting in too much money too fast.

i think it's premature sam altman talked about raising $7 trillion. that's like series h money or something like that when you establish your business model and so forth and that hasn't happened here. i've publicly predicted openai might turn out to be the wework of ai. people might scratch their heads and say this is a solution in search of a problem. we haven't found the problem something like $50 billion last year made $3 billion in revenue. that is not sustainable in the long term. either they have to make it better, which is proven difficult, or find a killer use case which they haven't really because the performance is unreliable my guess is a lot of investors are going to be left back. a lot of companies we interview, lot of investors we talk to would disagree with you. they're excited about the promise of this technology. >> i've seen this before they were excited about driverless cars. i said in 2016 this is not going to work with current technology.

>> what is the risk you're worried about? >> the risk, you said? >> the risk? >> there's lots of kinds of risks. on the financial side the stuff is not really going to sustain itself because it doesn't work very well. there are risks on the global stage, so these things can be used for misinformation because people who generate misinformation don't care about accuracy and truth which are the achilles heels of the systems. so we're starting to see it used for elections and scams and so forth. in the longer term because we don't really control the ai very well, it's black box ai where you put in inputs and get outputs and don't understand what's going on. you can't make guarantees around it. >> people compare it to the steam engine and electricity and to other -- the internet other major -- >> they don't want to mention the jet pack, right? we've had lots of ideas. i think dur jables are the best

analyses until the hindenburg this scales fast and make it bigger and it will be awesome. it turns out they were not the right way and instead we made airplanes. i think we're in early version of ai. we'll get to a better version. just assuming that thing we have right now in hand is the right one, i think is a mistake. we're seeing that over and over again. you know, the ai pin was a bomb. the company called ghost that tried to use large language models to make driverless cars failed stability is having trouble. we're already seeing some signs that things may not be working out. also a lot of people are leaving openai some of it is around safety. it's quite a lot of people leaving really close to agi. i'm not sure those people will be -- >> do you think that's why when we press corporates for examples of use cases at the moment they keep saying it's around the bend do you think there will be a moment of reckoning where they say this is not panning out as we thought >> they're already privately

scaling back expectations according to some reporting i've seen they're saying, i know you think this stuff is amazing, but let's be realistic here. they're starting to tell the clients. the fact is, the stuff -- the systems large language models makes stuff up and they make, you know, absolutely head scratching errors. so if you have a mission critical application and you can't afford to do that. it might work for customer service most of the time and then say something ridiculous that gets you in rouble. it's hard to trust these machines they're fine for things like brainstorming where there's a human in the loop but i'm not sure that's a trillion dollar application. people will use it and make some money off of it. it's not there's zero money to be made. whether you look at the capital investments of $50 billion this year and min another 50 last year, another 50 this year, so forth, like you have to have something huge to justify that and that has to be stable and reliable and the technology isn't yet. >> is there a solution you're

proposing from a regulatory standpoint where they can put guardrails on it >> i think we actually need new technology here. i think that the field is obsessed with current technology of large language model and they just don't work very well. we have 90% of research investments going through one thing. i call it an intel lec taout mono culture only one idea. take yourself back to the age of alchemy. everybody wanted to make alchemy work but it didn't mean it would work we needed to discover the periodic table in chemistry. we need some new thinking here i think and not just a lot of band-aids. people have put guardrails and they're still easy to break. it was in the newspaper yesterday showing five different large language models were subject to jail braex and they all failed it's easy to get earn the limitations and easy to get around the patches they've built. the technology isn't there yet, which is why i think people are going to be disillusioned and starting to be disillusioned the beginning of 2023, a year

ago, everybody was wild about language models. every company said go, every ceo said put this in our product line, and i think the results speak for themselves some people are using it, and a lot of people are like it's not really ready for prime time. >> we're going to see over time the degree to which you're right, gary, and of course we'll watch to see how prices adjust, if that is the case. appreciate the gut check good to talk to you. >> thank you for having me. >> cyber stocks hovering at fresh highs ahead of palo alto results in a few hours we'll get you ready and talk some top picks with an analyst when we come back. uh-uh... bill! uh-huh... - hip-hop! - limping! mmhmm! medical bills! uh-huh! - pancakes! - cash! who pays you cash when you have medical bills? grrr! no idea. [tapping] gap! the gap left by health insurance? who pays cash to help close that gap? aflac! oh, aflac! get help with expenses health insurance doesn't cover at aflac.com

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outpacing the s&p this month with palo alto reporting after the bell the next move for the cyber space. joining you is analyst andrew newwinski, buy rating on the stock. what we hear from the companies, andrew, there's so much demand

rising tide lifts all boats, companies are spending more and needing to spend more on cyber security what are the nuances you're going to be looking for in the report because as we found out in the last couple months, it's not a one-way ticket higher for these stocks like palo alto. >> yeah. thanks for having me, sara yes, the cyber security space has been under pressure year to date i think there's only a couple stocks -- one of them as an outperformer relative to the nasdaq palo alto has had some issues. they've missed billings expectations for three consecutive quarters now, and i would say the stock is -- it is recovering it's dropped about 28% at the last earnings call last quarter, but got a lot of it back so far. things we're looking for tonight i would say, are number one, billings they've got a 3% guide for billings growth this quarter coming off a 26% comp the same comp last quarter when they grew

16%. we think they can do 5% billings growth, 20 million above the high end of guidance roll that into the guide for next quarter and the july quarter, puts you at about 10% growth in billings we would love to see us getting back to the high teens, maybe 20% next year at this time but they've got a number of positive things that have happened this quarter that gets them upside on the quarter in billings number one, the thunderdome deal they pulled out of guidance. they're rolling that -- that's starting to roll out to 60 locations now. second, they had a really strong quarter with the fed they had a big department of energy deal that adds to upside. third, you have the big united health care group cyberattack, that's probably the most -- the worst cyberattack we've seen in u.s. history we know that they helped clean up that breach and we think they got a big deal out of that following that breach. lastly, they took their guidance down ultimately because of these go to market changes that

they're making pitching their platform play. we talked to about 15 out of 33 different resellers said they had positive reaction to those new promotions that palo alto put in place it's having a positive impact, not a negative impact, so really, we think they could putl that through next quarter onputl guide and get growth back to that high teens, 20% growth rate next year. >> it sounds like you're thinking the execution story might have been contained. none of your survey work really hints at a secular shift in demand to the downside, is that fair >> it's certainly not a secular shift. the stocks haven't performed well that would suggest a slowdown in spending the hackers don't care if the economy is high -- or bad and the inflation goes up. they just continue attacking we've seen hackers using more a.i. than the defenders are using. they're using it for deep fake purposes they can write malware with it

they're doing a really good job leveraging a.i. where the defenders are just starting to integrate it i think you'll see it continue spending throughout the year in the cyber security space the best ways to play this are crowdstrike and palo alto. >> andrew, thank you for the commentary helping us pregame those palo alto numbers tonight on "mad money," jim will interview the ceo of palo alto on the back of those numbers. still to come, the biden administration doubling the tariff rate on chinese solar panels what's next for the market and the consumer here in the u.s.? we'll talk about it with t cheeo of first solar in a minute ons with the power of ai... ...with a perfect name, a great logo, and a beautiful website. just start with a domain, a few clicks, and you're in business. make now the future at godaddy.com/airo

the frenzy for weight loss drugs helping telehealth players himself & hers let's get the update with brandon gomez. >> shares surging, soaring more than 30% as of this announcement starting at $199 a month you can get a glp-1 injection. that's an 80% discount from branded like ozempic and wegovy, but even before today's news, himself projected it would bring

in $100 million in revenue by 2025 they tell me that does not reflect this morning's news and offering we reported on supply constraints in recent months for glp-1s this opened up an fda door, allowing compound drugs, aka generic products, to enter the markets. there's still some skepticism around compound drugs. they don't undergo fda clinical twrilz they say they should not use compounded if the brand name is available. himself tells us they have no problem with the generic in the long haul. he says, we have the confidence at this point to say we have the consistent supply from one of the largest generic manufacturers in the country that has fda oversight clinicians say this could be positive with appropriate patient counseling long term himself is not the first in the space. similar services like rowe have entered the market.

>> isn't this the guy that said he wants to hire anti-israel protesters on college campuses >> yes there was a die investment movement against the stock as well the ceo came on earlier in the year talking with "squawk box" about those statements and comments and you see shares year-to-date recovering up 112%. >> do firms like lilly or novo have a comment on the compound element? it's all under fda discretion. fda is really pushing that folks turn to these drugs. when you look at it from sort of the clinician's perspective, too, they see it as an opportunity where companies are -- consumers can get more access to these drugs. again, it all comes down to making sure it's done in a safe and viable way that long term does not have a negative impact on those users, whether it be their health or their wallets. >> pretty fascinating,

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good monday morning. welcome to "money movers." i'm sara eisen with carl quintanilla on the floor of the new york stock exchange. dan niles with us on how to play the boom in a.i. as nvidia conference is on deck. nat gas prices at their highest since late january now. later, we'll speak to the ceo of first solar as the biden administration does take action to boost the industry here in the u.s. first up, though, in the markets, dow's recovered from some early morning losses. s&p is up about a third of 1%. nasdaq leading the charge, up 0.6% it's a split in terms of where you're seeing the strength as far as sectors tech is clearly leading once again. let's bring in cnbc senior markets commentator mike santoli, as the rally continues. you've been looking at whether it has more room to run. >> you know, volatility has also