of attention because it's elvis presley, second cousin. but here's a democrat conservative democrat running in a very republican state, 20 plus years since a republican governor talking about health care, talking about taking the medicare medicaid money from washington to give health care to working people, health care, we know has in recent elections been a huge turnout. now we're talking about abortion a lot. but before the dobbs decision, it was health care. there was helping democrats turn out votes. does it work in a place like this? we shall see. but i just want to show you where she is. she's jackson here. this is hinds county. it is by far the number one. it's the largest, most populous county of the state. it is about 8% of the population. and it is if you go back in history to the presidential race. joe biden did not do well in the state of mississippi, but he did in hinds county. so the fact that they just have voters in line, if you're the democratic candidate in a democratic county, that you have voters in line that the court said give them an extra hour, let's let people vote, that would encourage you. i want to come out to the main map because, look, this is not a kind state has not been a kind state to democrats, especially at the presidential level, but even at the statewide level in a very long time. so know democrat

who think they might be having a good night. easy, easy. right. easy but but but. a court leaving the ballot open, diane, saying there are lines there in this race that we know is unusually competitive. it means you keep watching it. now let's come back to where we are as we wait. we still have no votes in in mississippi. we do here for another one. again, in this tough national climate for democrats, you have an incumbent democratic governor in a very red state, 56% of the vote in now. right. i told you earlier, watch down here. and a lot of them are starting to slowly fill in. right. these are the conservative counties. but daniel cameron getting only 51% of the vote there. let's just go back in time to 2019. andy beshear getting 46. so the incumbent did a little better. but here's what you look at here. go back to the presidential race. donald trump getting 74% here. and so the margins, the margins are not going daniel cameron's way. if you know that in the urban areas that andy beshear is running it up. >> but take it back to matt bevin, if you could pick one. >> here we go. so bevin in 2019, so matt bevin 2019. >> but the thing the thing to point out here is that matt bevin was incredibly unpopular.

so the idea that daniel cameron and again, this is early, the votes are still coming in in muhlenberg county. so let's go let's come to real time. >> so remember that 4500 votes for matt bevin in the fall election, 52, 52. you come back here. we are now. >> so he's underperforming as of right now. it's still we still. but he's underperforming. and daniel cameron, matt bevin. and again, this is going to be filled in. he's going to do better than that. >> but it could be early ballots, which tend to be more democratic. but to your point, here's another way to look at it. here's the race filling in right now. right. and so this is compared to 2019, right. is andy beshear overperforming himself? yes. in every one of these counties, even the ones that are red. andy beshear at the moment, 56% of the vote in this can change. but at the moment, he is running ahead of his election. four years ago, in most of the state. if you're an incumbent and you're overperforming your last election, again, we have to see how much of this a mail in ballots, how much of this are early ballots is more to come. but if you're andy beshear at the moment, you're looking at

this map, you're winning those two counties up there. i told you about, you know, trump won, andy beshear won. can he hold them? he's holding them. he's adding to his wins out here. more blue counties than he had last time. at the moment, as you do it. but if you're in the beshear headquarters, you're now up to 50, 56% of the estimated vote he won by 6000 votes last time. right he's ahead by 45 plus 46 plus. now, a ways to go. but if you're a democratic incumbent in this climate, you like what you see on the map. >> right. and again, early yet we still have 44% of the vote left to come in. my point is, daniel cameron is regarded within the gop and even i think just within political circles in kentucky, nonpartisan ones, as something of a superstar. right? he is he is regarded highly as somebody with a very bright political future. you do not want matt bevin to be overperforming you in any way, shape or form. he was a political dud. >> well, he was a dud who also had some he had some institutional republican state problems because he ran against mitch mcconnell. he'll be a tea party primary and then he became governor. but a lot of republicans still didn't like

him. right. and mcconnell didn't like him because he ran against him in a primary. he lost, but then he became governor. so, yes, cameron is much more liked in the party. and you see the numbers. you know, we have to get to the final number. but but you're right, he is he's considered a rising star. right. a rising state star who they like to be a national star for the republican party was as one of the republican attorneys general that if andy beshear can hold on to this, you know, he's not a very flashy guy. right he's not you know, a lot of people say, oh, he's boring. oh, he's dull. oh, guess what? if he holds on to this, he's going to get a lot of attention of how did you do that here? right. >> and again, the caveats, he still could win. i'm not saying he won't. and if he doesn't, he still could go on to become a senator and a president. i'm not saying anything along those lines. i'm just saying he wants to be doing much better right now than he is. right now. >> yes. he's not running up numbers in the rural areas where trump did so well. again, he's at 59. you go back to the presidential race right there, trump's at 77. right. so it just shows you that andy beshear is competitive with republican voters. joe biden's getting 22% in this county. come back to where we are now. andy beshear is getting 40. so, again and

that's 80% of the vote in that one ohio county. so andy beshear is proving that people who voted for donald trump for president are voting for democrat andy beshear for governor. this is plain and simple. >> show me some of the other democratic counties where andy beshear needs to really drive up the vote. >> so here's where you just run it up. and it's only 30% of the vote. again, we talk about this, remember, we do in the presidential race and we had such a small percentage of the votes in in philadelphia and joe biden had 80. well, you only have 30% and he's getting 70. now, again, this could it's disproportionately early voting. the democratic of watch, if it stays. but if he got 67% in jefferson county, it's 17% of the state population. he got 67% four years ago. if he's at 70, he's going to win the election. if he's if he stays at 70% or near 70% in just because of the population. so he's above his metric there. now you move over here to fayette county again, they're up. so there's two ways to look at this. he's getting 72% of the vote, which is 3 or 4 points higher than he did four years ago. you're almost done. so there's not a lot more math coming in there. but that's more than what he more than what your

metric was. if you were using matt bevin as your metric, he's ahead of that. and again, up here in two counties, donald trump won both of these counties against joe biden. andy beshear, you know, it's ten points. it's ten points. but it's ten points in a place. donald trump won come to the presidential race, you know, by almost 20. right. you know, by almost 20. so you have andy beshear proving in places. i mean, i'm going to do this again. this is andy beshear, all those blue counties right now. he's leading. we're not done. we have to still count votes. that's andy beshear's ability in red state kentucky. that's joe biden's. to it's a red state. it's a conservative state. you know, joe biden was never going to have a chance here, but this is the state that early in 2016, when the results started to come in, in kentucky, this was our first clue that we knew donald trump was going to win in 2016. but the turnout he was outperforming romney outperformed bush. people were coming out of the woodwork to vote for donald trump. so kentucky does give you clues about enthusiast ism. and at the moment, in 2023, in this national climate for andy beshear at the moment, again, to

be fighting this off with a 44,000 vote lead is quite impressive. one other quick point, if i can. i just wanted to come to ohio on the constitutional right to abortion. yeah, it's leading quite comfortably right now, including donald trump won lake county. we used to go out all the time when ohio was competitive. people would go out to stark county as a swing county. in ohio. it's where canton, ohio is. people would go out there and say, this is your bellwether county in america. donald trump won it quite handily. it's not a bellwether county anymore. it's a republican county. and yet 64% at the moment, 20% of the vote in in stark county, 20% of the vote in statewide in a state donald trump carried handily. a lot of this up here was red for trump. it's green for yes, it's on abortion rights. >> go back to kentucky for one second, then i'm going to throw it to dan, just the one other thing. just when it comes to bellwethers and we don't know how this night is going to end for either mr. cameron or mr. beshear, but the last five governors races in kentucky were bellwethers for how the country

was going to vote for president the next year. the last time beshear won a democrat, beshear won a democrat took the white house. and all the times before that, how kentucky goes in a governor's race for the last five cycles, the white house followed their lead. we'll see what we'll see what happens next time and we'll see how it goes tonight. dana bash, thanks. >> very, very interesting and on that note about kentucky, how the voters are going to go is what we're watching, but also the two candidates, the characters who are watching in kentucky are each very, very interesting because they're both young and they're both are unique. i mean, obviously, daniel cameron is an african-american running as a republican in kentucky and then andy beshear, if he wins, will be a second term democrat governor in kentucky. so no matter who wins, it will be an

instant national profile. and looking at them for what it means for the future of their parties. >> also, the question of what politics matters. and as governor beshear has tried to kind of localize the race to a degree, that is not what daniel cameron has tried to do. he's tried to tie andy beshear to president biden, multiple times throughout this campaign based on the numbers right now. and who knows? we'll see what they look like. i mean, that doesn't appear to be working. and remember, when daniel cameron won a very crowded primary, there were a lot of republican owens who wanted to run against governor beshear. he came out and said, you know, the maga culture, the donald j. trump culture is alive and well in the state of kentucky, and trump obviously endorsed him in this race that does not appear to have helped him at this point based on what we're seeing right now. >> i just want to say, as we're talking about kentucky, the polls in mississippi did just close at the top of the hour about nine minutes ago. we're waiting for those votes to come in. >> yeah, i mean, i think kentucky is such an interesting example of how voters can sometimes hold multiple thoughts in their minds at the same time.

it's a state that has been basically power sharing at some of these state, state level positions for some time. andy beshear, a democrat in a pretty red state where he has a republican secretary of state, a republican attorney general. we just called the secretary of state race and the attorney general race for the republican tonight so that that could very well continue. sometimes we have to remember this. sometimes voters are not totally driven by ideological concerns and in fact, in some of these states and we see this sometimes in virginia, actually quite a lot, they like to see their government kind of split up so that there isn't full control over the levers of power by one political party, and particularly at a time where the mood is so incredibly negative and sour. i think we could be seeing so much more of that as we go forward. i think that's what we saw in 2022 when republicans were expecting a red wave and voters said, hold on,

we're going to split this up a little bit because we think both parties need a check on their power in this moment. >> yeah, i mean, a couple of things. kentucky first of all, still has. and i kind of love this because as our politics have flattened and become national right, it starts it's mattered a little less what's going on in a state. bashir is a family name in kentucky. right. it's got a long tradition of having democrats. exactly. having democrats win in statewide offices. so there's some of that still at play here, which i think makes for a little bit more of an interesting thing. i had one smart democratic source point out that they think in their numbers that that voters are still looking at how people handled covid and people felt good about how andy beshear handled that then, which i thought was potentially interesting. but i think big picture, you know what does this say about joe biden and what might happen in 2024? i kind of wonder if it doesn't give a little bit of credence to the argument they're trying to make that joe biden has been continually under estimated and at the end of the day, he's

going to come out on top because we did see that. we have seen that. and you know, the numbers are so bad in the polls that i don't necessarily always want to give this to them when they're trying to spin us and tell us no, this is fine. it's fine. it's all going to be fine. but the reality was we did count him out after new hampshire. he came back there have been several instances where that's happened. part of me wonders if the trend that you know, if it's continuing, what does that mean for him? >> well, would the boats are still coming in in kentucky in the governor's race, as we were just talking about. also on the abortion rights ballot measure in ohio. we are also waiting for the results to start coming in in mississippi, where polls closed almost 12 minutes ago. and we're digging deeper into cnn's exclusive new poll, the bleak message for president biden from a disgruntled electorate. >> i i mean, eveverybody's healh and mymy favorite e homes arere wayfair homes. >> the wayfairir homes jusust he that r razzle dazzzzle. > they raidided the gueuestr.

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democrats, control for the state senate republic is control. the house of delegates? yes, there is an effort by both parties to control each one. we're getting more results from cnn's new 2024 presidential poll. and cnn's david chalian has those numbers. david, what are voters saying about the job president joe biden has done even as president ? >> jake, the country has soured on joe biden. there's just not another way to put it. according to our latest cnn poll conducted by ssr a national poll gives us this snapshot in time. biden's approval rating is 39% in our poll, 61% disapprove of the job he's doing. look at i by party. you see that even amon hisellow democrats, he's only at 77% approval in thi poll, only third of independents approve of the job he's doing. and of course, as you might imagine, only 5% of

republicans. how are things going in the country today? badly, say nearly three quarters of responders in thipoll 72. things are going badly in the country today. only 28% say they're going well. again, that astonishing number on whether or not biden has the stamina and arpness to serve effectively as presidentnly 25% of poll respondents say that he does have the stamina, 74%ayo. and i know you're a history buff like i am. and so look here on this chart of where biden's modern day predecessors were in their approval rating at this point in their presidency. and jake, you see biden is down there between donald trump and jimmy carter. you may know that is down in the category of one term. presidents he clearly wants to turn that around and he's got a year to do so jake. >> all right, david chalian, thanks so much. erin burnett throwing to you in new york. >> all right. so let's talk

through some of this. david axelrod. let's start with where david chalian just finished the territory of one term. presidents yes. going back to jimmy carter, i had jotted this down. jimmy carter was at 32. that's worse. yes. okay but that's about as good as it can get. >> he lost. look, the difference here is that he isn't running against ronald reagan. he's not running against some fresh face. he's running against donald trump. and that's what gives him hope. and i think also the only other person at that low level, close to that low level, i mean, his numbers are are equally bad, though, on, you know, in other polling and in some here, there are comparatives, as we talked about earlier on this, you know, foreign leadership question and so on that are that are discouraging. i would only say this whether it's fair or not, and joe biden has a lot of accomplished points. to his credit, he led the country through the pandemic. and, you know, while inflation is still

the prism through which people are looking at the economy on jobs and some other measures, he's done quite well despite all that, those facts, he and maybe no incumbent president at this juncture is going to win a referendum on their own performance. he has to frame the choice and he has to frame it aggressively and he has to frame it right away because if nothing else, these are are these are a flashing red light here. >> so david went through independence. and i just want to say overall, of course, right now you've got independence, political independence, 45. trump 41 biden and as david was just laying out, only a third of independents think that joe biden is doing a good job. you know, there are many who make the argument that independence is where you win and lose, that people end up going to their corners. and independence is where a race is lost. >> independents are very affected by the sort of distance to when the election is going to be. it's a year out. we don't know how close they're paying

attention and what they see in trump, for example. >> that's the calculation. >> you know, one of the things i think i'm most compelled by is that and david and i talked about this earlier, barack obama grew his electorate. right. he broadened that coalition. but i don't ever remember anybody saying joe biden was added to the ticket because he really drew the youngs and the in the bipoc he did do very well among the young. maybe but i don't think it was biden, by the way, the one place he's doing well. >> well in these polls is among voters over 65. >> exactly. by the way, i know what you're shaking. i think i know. you know, i got to go back. >> i'm not going to go back to my italian board. i'm just going to say the one thing that can't be fixed, the thing that can't be fixed is stamina. the other point i just want to put that number to point out, 71 to 61. right. the enthusiasm gap david talked about it. that's that's that's substantial. >> well, that's what i'm talking about. i think there's a return to. >> go ahead. go ahead, audie. go ahead. go ahead. but can can we just go to what is actually happening tonight? >> right. >> so we have voters voting

tonight. we have. and we have a long way to go. there are a lot of votes still coming in. obviously a lot of races yet to be called. >> a lot going on. but so far, we are seeing lower republican turnout than was anticipated. >> we are seeing democrats turnout. we obviously see the numbers in ohio. abortion clearly motivating voters. so, you know, there is a lot of opportunity here. yes. is there work for joe biden to do on these numbers? of course, i think he would say that if he were sitting here. but there is an enormous opportunity for him because these issues, there's enormous space for him to grow. and so i think we should, rather than looking at a poll a year out, which, yes, does it have some influence? does it have some informative information? of course it does. all polls do. but no poll is definitive. but people are voting right now. >> i've been trying to make sense and i apologize because we've just been torturing kate tonight. but i've been trying to make sense of this number that is a dream to republicans where voters ages 18 to 34, trump is outperforming with them gen z and millennials are the two biggest voting blocs going into this election. i that is not traditional that they would be

siding more with the republican candidate over the democrat on issues, whether it's climate change, reproductive rights, they tend to skew liberal. i think it goes back to the magic issue of age. and despite the fact that donald trump and joe biden are only three years apart, perception becomes reality in politics. >> so there are, of course, as we all know, in the political discourse in this country, van, democrats who say that anyone who votes for trump somehow is some sort of a closet racist or that that that no latino would vote for trump because of the wall and his immigration policies. and yet in those two groups, that is not what you see at all in this poll. >> that's because these these groups are not monolithic. part of what's going on here is that there's a college non-college dynamic happening among people of color. sometimes it looks like a like a gender gap because you have more black women with college degrees than black men. but there is a college non-college dynamic here. and i think what you're beginning to see is the working class is beginning to slide more and more toward the republican party. and that's something that i don't think the democrats are prepared for or have responded to well,

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seats are needed to control that chamber, which is currently controlled by republicans in the virginia senate. cnn can project that five democrats have won their contests, compared to six republicans. 21 seats are needed to control the virginia senate. let's look at the other boards that we have going right now. a key race alert right now at the kentucky governor's race with 65% of the vote in incumbent democratic governor andy beshear remains ahead. by 38,387 votes, with 52% of the vote in still ahead of republican attorney general daniel cameron, who has 48. we are still waiting for 35% of the vote. let's look at ohio right now where there is a referendum to put a constitutional right to abortion in the state constitution. asian, yes, right now is far in

the lead, with 22% of the vote in 235,720 votes ahead, to be precise, with 63.4% of the vote, no has 36.6% of the vote in mississippi, with just a little bit of the vote in, the democrat brandon pressley is ahead by 537 votes with 71.4% of the vote. incumbent republican governor tate reeves has 26.6. but that is just a few votes. we're still waiting for some serious numbers to start coming in. in mississippi. john king, you're looking exactly at what i want you to be looking at, which is kentucky. we have 66% of the vote in. i know. we're still waiting. and i know that anything could happen. but boy, governor beshear has got to be feeling pretty good right now, i would think. >> very good. very good. look, there's no reason to get way out ahead of the numbers, right?

that is a path your eyes tell you. your eyes don't lie to you. you have a democratic incumbent in a very tough climate who just barely won last time by about 6000 votes, who's 37,000 votes ahead with 52% of the vote, 52 to 48. that's a four point race. it's competitive. so you could say, why don't you call it? well, because he's ahead. let's just say he's ahead. he's running an impressive campaign. he's meeting all his tests. but you see the gray there are still 13, 14 counties. last time i counted where we have no votes yet. no votes. most of them. i'll just pop one up randomly. monroe county, bottom part of the state, there's 120 counties in kentucky. this one's 97th in terms of population, 0.2% of the state population. so there are not a lot of votes there. so daniel cameron could get 60 or 70. it's not a lot of math. however, you come over here. davies county, this is the seventh largest county in the state. it's about two, 2.5% of the statewide population. so you wait just to be cautious, especially in an age when people are questioning election results or questioning. is the media getting out ahead of itself? let's just count votes. let's just count votes. but if you're in andy beshear headquarters right now, you're looking at that and you're thinking, we not

only met our metrics in a lot of places, we're exceeding our metrics. i did this earlier and i said, you know, is he overperform forming how he ran four years ago? right and i said, let's be careful, because we were at about 50% of the vote then. so let's look at it again. right? let's click that up here just about everywhere. i mean, explain what we're looking at right now, because i don't understand every one of these counties that is illuminated. andy beshear is running stronger now than he did four years ago when he won in 2019. so even in these red counties, even in places where daniel cameron is winning, andy beshear is doing better than he did four years ago. so you say, wow, he's getting, you know, he's getting whipped here. right. whooped. but he's doing better than he did four years ago. if you come back here and you look and you come in here, 29, 20, it's 27. so you might not think that's a big deal, but it adds up. it adds in these small rural counties, that's how trump wins in places. here you see these small rural counties. trump runs it up with huge numbers and he votes. andy beshear can get in these red places is bonus. so you take that off and you come back to the real vote. now, this is the full vote that's 2019, right? >> i mean, that rural county you had, he's up like about 1000

votes than where he was last time. right. there's 120 counties, 120 counties. >> so if you're up 50 votes here, 60 votes there performing last time and so then if andy beshear is doing that, then daniel cameron is only option is to take it back in places like this, right in the democratic areas. and he's not andy beshear is running ahead. he was 67% in jefferson county by far biggest, largest, most populous county, 17.2% statewide population. then he was at 67% four years ago. he's running at 72% now. so if it's a simple way to look at it is andy beshear is getting even in these red places. he's getting votes. he's somebody who's not competitive, but he's getting votes. and daniel cameron is not chipping into his margins in the democratic areas. and again, this is what andy beshear is doing at the moment. and you just look at this state, joe biden won two counties. he won jefferson and he won fayette. andy beshear is winning. he's even adding it's not done yet, but he's winning more counties now than he did. four years ago, which tells you

as an incumbent governor in a tough climate that he's been able to sell the brand, that sell that message, that this is not about democrats or republicans. this is about getting through covid together. this is about building roads together. this is about dealing with disasters together as against a strong candidate, a guy who's he's won statewide. he's the attorney general, superstar republican. >> people have a lot of hopes and dreams for him, even if he does not win tonight. you're not you haven't heard the last of daniel cameron. let me ask you a question that we're going to hear from some biden supporting democrats tonight and tomorrow, assuming that andy beshear is lead holds, which is this andy beshear? do defying the biden drag or are we underestimating joe biden? i mean, i know what i think and i think i know what you think. but but there are going to be biden supporting democrats out there who say, why aren't you giving biden credit for what's going on here with andy beshear? >> because joe biden won two counties in this state. so you know, it's okay. when i first

started doing this, know my first campaign was 1988, kentucky had democratic senators. kentucky was considered semi-competitive. >> are you referring to wendell? >> wendell ford was from. and so it's not anymore. nationally, it is a red state. however you look, kate bedingfield made the point earlier, right. democrats if democrats have a good night tonight, does that tell you that running on issues like abortion, anti prosperity, also running on his name and his brand, the biden brand is not strong right now. the biden brand is not strong right now. but the issue but the issue template might be strong on the issue template. maybe yes, maybe. especially again. okay joe biden will come to the initiative in ohio. i'm not going to posit tonight that joe biden is going to be competitive in ohio. that's not a criticism of joe biden. donald trump won ohio by eight points. it's been trending republican for a long time. however for right now, with about a quarter of the vote in the constitutional right to abortion right, donald trump won lake county. donald trump won stark county. donald trump won a lot of these green counties that are voting in favor of abortion rights that issue is working for progressives abortion rights

forces, democrat to call him what you will. but the issue is working for them. the issue clearly worked for andy beshear, who it's interesting, we don't have exit polling in kentucky. it would be fascinating to have a study in kentucky after this. how much of it is the beshear brand, which in kentucky is a lot stronger than the biden brand? right. it's a family name. it's a legendary family in the state. and how much of it is issues? that's a great study and a great debate. let's get through the election first. >> two closely watched governors races in kentucky and in mississippi unfolding right now as democrats test their strength in these red states. more votes coming in. stay with us. >> tomorrow, after the republican presidential debate get critical context from the sharpest political team on television. >> anderson cooper and dana bash host the republican presidential debate. post-debate analysis this l live tomomorrow a at ten. > i'm sarahah rich anand thee enrichchment direcector, inindependencece village, , a sr living commumunity in wawaukee,a

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cnn's jessica dean. oh you want to go to kentucky? okay. so the kentucky governor's race, the democratic incumbent governor there is 52,168 votes ahead with 52.4% of the vote. still ahead, still leading over to the attorney general, the republican attorney general, daniel cameron, who has 47.6% of the vote. that's with 74% of the vote in. we're still waiting for about a quarter of the vote in. but governor beshear has had a commanding lead for much of the night in ohio, where ohio residents were voting on whether or not there should be a constitutional right to an abortion, whether the state constitution should be amended. the yes votes with a commanding lead with about a quarter of the vote in 219,784 votes ahead. yes, with a 61% vote count as of now, no, with 39% yes with a

commanding lead as it has had all night. we still have about three quarters of the vote to come in now. we go to cnn's jessica dean, who is in virginia following the high stakes fight for the control of the general assembly, the house of delegates and the state senate. jessica, you have a special guest. >> yes, i do, jake. >> as we are waiting for all of these results to come in, just to give everyone the state of play as we went into election night, every house and senate seat in the state of virginia up for grabs. >> and currently the democrats hold the senate, republicans hold the house. and of course, democrat arts are hoping to flip the house. and i'm here with delegate don scott, who is the minority leader of house democrats here in virginia. you're hoping that that changes and you are poised to be house speaker, the first black person to ever hold that title if it happens. what are you seeing tonight? and what are you taking away as we're watching these election results come in? >> thank you. i believe that the voters are sending a message to all of us, democrats and republican, that the number one

issue that they care about is freedom. they want bodily autonomy. women want control of their own bodies. they don't want the government in the middle between them and their doctors. they want to make their own decisions. and people want to have voting choice. people want to make sure that we're taking care of their every day kitchen table issues, make sure we're taking care of the economy, go back to the bases, make sure that people have a fair shot in this economy, make sure that we're providing great health care, make sure we're providing a first class education to our children and making sure that we keep our schools safe from gun violence. and i think those are the issues that are resonating with voters today. >> and, you know, we national media, we've talked a lot about the abortion issue. the democrats have really leaned heavily into that here in virginia, governor glenn youngkin has proposed a 15 week ban with the exception for rape, incest or the life of the mother . and he has not emphasized it as much on the campaign trail. when asked about it, he'll talk about it. but you all have really leaned into that message. why? well, we think that women have told us we didn't have a choice because this is the concerns of the voters have

people want to believe that we're living in a country where women can make their own choices about their own bodies. >> and that's a basic right that intimacy around your own body and to be able to make that decision. my mother is 88 years old. i never thought i'd have a 14 year old daughter. i never thought that we live in a world after roe was overturned, that my 88 year old mother would have more rights than my 14 year old daughter. and that's what's resonated with voters throughout this area. we've not leaning to it. we've listened to voters and voters have told us that that's what they care about. and so we've come up with policy prescriptions to be able to make sure that we keep grow the law in the commonwealth of virginia and this is an off off year election is how you say it. >> there's not really anyone at the top of the ticket to drive turnout. these are very local races. how do you convince your voters it's worth voting? well tip o'neill said it years ago. >> all politics is local. and what it is, is once you connect to your local voters in my community where i live in portsmouth and every single local, we have 100 unique seats in the house of delegates. and every single one of those

communities are different. so what may be a top priority in one district may be different. and so it's so important that you connect with each and every community. and if we do that, then voters will come out and off, off year elections like this, it's about a 30 to 40% turnout in presidential years. 75% of registered voters turn out. so we need to make sure that we're connecting with those voters, getting as many as we can to turn out. and we're getting in some areas where democrats will take charge, hopefully, because we're getting crazy turnout, we're getting turnout that's that's mimicking presidential year turnout. >> all right. delegate don scott , thanks so much for stopping by. we appreciate it. jake, we'll send it back to you. thanks jessica. >> really appreciate it. i'm back here at the magic wall, one of my favorite places to be in the entire world. and we're looking at this map which has an interestingly placed hawaii in alaska. we were just noting. yes, this is they haven't moved. right. this is wrong. >> they have not moved. we often we often have data here on big, busy election nights. and you have 50 states. so they're down there a little bit. yes >> it's okay because i wanted to make sure because i am making there are middle school, our kids in middle school right now

are saying that's not how we teach it in geography. okay. because i was making christmas plans and that seems okay. it's a shorter flight, i was going to say. but also probably less warm. so but these fights, especially in virginia and especially in kentucky right now, they're being fought in the suburbs. and tell me about what's going on in the suburbs, especially in kentucky right now. >> and so we're going to watch to see if a pattern emerges right throughout the night. this is what the democrats are hoping number one, we're up to 74% now. and the governor, the democratic incumbent, has a 51,000 vote lead. so we're still waiting, still waiting to see these gray counties. we're being cautious here, but that is a governor on the path, not there yet. not to the finish line, but he is on the path to reelection in a very tough climate, a democrat in a red state in the middle of this economy, a middle of the president being underwater. this is this is a very impressive path. we're not to the finish line yet. so let's show you andy beshear. you see all that? you see all that blue out there. let me just bring this up here. let's just look at suburban counties, okay? and this will pull out of the way in just a second. you can see more of it. but you see in the suburban counties here, especially, the bigger ones around louisville,

around lexington, around frankfort, the cincinnati suburbs here, andy beshear is winning most of the suburban counties. that's how you win competitive elections in tight states. democrats tend to run it up in the urban areas. republicans tend to run it up in the rural areas. and the competitive battlegrounds. you're from one of them, philadelphia and the collar counties around philadelphia. that's where close elections are won. democrats have succeeded in the suburbs in recent years. when i started this, that's how george h.w. bush became president. he won around philadelphia. he won in ohio. so look at this in kentucky tonight. right. there's one the democrat is winning in the suburbs. one of the things he ran on was abortion. republicans are harsh on abortion. stay with me for andy beshear. we're not to the finish line. that message appears to be working. so let's come up here now to a different issue in a very different state in ohio. so the question is a constitutional right to an abortion. about a quarter of the vote in donald trump won this state by eight points. it has a republican governor, republican statewide, and republican officials. yes, on a constitutional right to abortion is getting 60% of the vote right now in a red state. and so this

is the entire state. and you see the green is. yes right. these are more rural areas. but so, again, let's bring up the same comparison and take a look at it. you bring up the suburban counties. that's a lot of green, right? this is the american suburbs just like in kansas, the kansas city suburbs in kansas, the topeka suburbs, that was the first vote after the dobbs decision in a very red state. suburban voters in kansas who vote republican for president, who vote republican for a lot of things, said no on this issue. so bourbon voters in ohio who vote republican on a lot of things. right. let's let's just circle some of these counties. let's do this. that one's democratic. but watch this. now. you're going to see you're going to see some blue in here. let's come up here. you're going to see some blue in here for joe biden in 2020. but you're also going to see something else. wow. see all that red? a lot of these are in counties won by donald trump. some of them convincingly. voters are saying we want a constitutional right to an abortion. right. and so here's the question. right? here's the question. i'll not go to your state, not your commonwealth, not tonight. it is commonwealth night, though. so as you come back to ohio and you

come back to issue one and you see this in the suburbs, we see it in kentucky, we see it in ohio, does it happen in virginia ? that is the question. if we can slide over here and we just look, we're waiting for these results to come in. right. here's the current balance of power, right? you have republicans up narrowly in the house of delegates. you have democrats up narrowly in the state senate. and so then you come let's just use the senate map. this is what we're looking at now, redrawn districts. this is the state of play. we don't have a live data feed for virginia because there are legislative races. but where are the key races? the key races are up here in the washington suburbs and down here in the richmond suburbs. so if the pattern continues, that's what we're looking for. or has governor youngkin with the 15 week proposal found a middle ground that stops the momentum of the abortion rights forces? it seems to be working in kentucky tonight. it looks like it's working in ohio tonight. here's test number three. still to be answered. all right. >> both parties are watching the numbers come in from kentucky, from mississippi, from ohio, from virginia. as i try to read the message voters are sending

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closely is the president watching them. all right, obviously, i'm sorry. i wasn't sure if it was just me. sometimes it's just my ear, but obviously we couldn't hear it when we get mj back, we'll go to her. but i do want to go to jeff zeleny because he's been following the republican presidential candidates and what they're looking at tonight. so, jeff, on that front, how are they responding not only to tonight's votes as we are watching this come in, but to the poll that we've been david chalian has been going through bit by bit here through the night that cnn just came out with, which frankly is very dismal poll for president biden. >> well, aaron, a year before the 2024 election, not all republican fans are celebrating president biden's low approval rating and those headwinds that are facing him on inflation, on the economy and more. and here is why. a central part of their argument for the last several months at all the debates,

including the one here tomorrow night, has been that trump can't win, that trump cannot beat joe biden. well the poll numbers and just the overall sense of the sour mood of the country, we now are essentially have a race that argument or certainly watered down that argument for republican candidates. so in a nutshell, aaron, the weakness of president biden has helped president trump. i talked to a senior adviser to a republican candidate tonight and said that biden's pain has been trump's gain and this adviser was not being glib. they said this simply has been a fact of life of this campaign, that biden's weakness is has built up president trump. so this is something that we'll see tomorrow night at the debate here tomorrow aaron. >> thank you. and i'm sorry to interrupt you, but i do want to get to jake, because i know, jake, we've got a key projection in a crucial race tonight. >> that's right, aaron. cnn can now make a projection in a marquee race this evening. cnn is projecting that kentucky governor andy beshear, a

democrat, has been reelected this is a very significant win for democrats. beshear, who ran as a defender of abortion rights in a largely republican commonwealth, kentucky is defeating republican attorney general daniel cameron, again, incumbent democrat andy beshear has won a second term as governor in ruby red, kentucky. let's go to eva mckenna now, who is in louisville at at at at beshear headquarters at eva mckenna. and i have to say, not only are we calling it for beshear here, it's not even 9 p.m. yet. big big win for the incumbent democratic governor in red kentucky. >> yes, jake, it is a significant victory for governor beshear. and you know, as i've been speaking to democrats, they

were hopeful, but they did not think that it would be called this early. they say that it's really a testament to the strategy that the governor employed. he's well known, well liked in this state, but he often emphasized the an inclusive strategy of reaching out in the final weeks of this campaign to voters that are often described as forgotten voters. and he was at the helm during several of natural disasters in this state, as well as the pandemic. i spoke to a woman today and she told me, you know, during the pandemic, he took care of us by the results. tonight, it seems as though voters in kentucky have rewarded him for it jake. indeed >> eva mccann in louisville, kentucky, thank you so much. and let's talk about this. is this it's already i'm already going to go right there. is this a template for democrats, this nationwide is the beshear template. is there? josh shapiro

in pennsylvania, is there something here for others to follow in terms of reaching across the aisle, reaching out to working class democrats, working class individuals and on and on and on? >> maybe the lesson here is run your own race. i mean, i think when you talk to democrats who are running on issues and in campaigns across the country, every single one of these races is different in a certain way. and each one of these candidates has to be, as both parties will say, the right fit for their state, their district, their, you know, their their geography. and also navigate these issues. i think that's what andy beshear did very well. he identified abortion as an issue that he was being attacked on, but that he could also go on offense on he had some some significant issues in his state in terms of a mass shooting that he performed. i think very well in terms of dealing with it on a national platform. and those things helped him. he's also well liked. he happens to also have a very well known family. all of

those things help him playing those things to your advantage. help. but you didn't see him here hugging joe biden, hugging national democrats, even hugging, just a national narrative in his state. i don't think you're going to see a lot of that, frankly, from either party in this coming cycle, because the poll what the polls have really show us is that both parties at a national level are particularly toxic. >> i don't in this country. yes, i don't. i don't know that this is transferable. you know, in off year elections or off year elections as this is. you sort of look for the tea leaves and what it means for the next election. and we are looking at a lot of questions. and i don't know how many answers we got in this particular case, but he is such a unique character. not only does he have the name id, but he's he's well liked, which is not nothing in these times when people just don't like politicians. i mean, i don't know that they ever really have loved politics, but but even more so right now. and really

the authenticity factor. >> and abby's right, he over that mass shooting happened. it killed a friend of his. he actually had to tell his friends wife that his friend had been killed in that he also oversaw flooding. and the response there in the state that i think earned him goodwill with with voters there. one interesting part was how he chose to lean in on the abortion messaging. that was a national message that he took there. he painted daniel cameron as this extremist and that even though, you know, staying and being reelected, he's not really going to have the power to change those laws because he still does have a very republican legislature that he's dealing with. but it is interesting seeing the different through lines and what could be potentially helpful with democrats still leaning in on abortion on that message, even in a really red state. >> right. i mean, over and over again, my sources say, yeah, okay, biden's got problems, people aren't feeling great, but they really don't like the extremism of the republican party. and at the end of the day, that's going to carry biden in 2024. i mean, we'll see. i mean, i think, you know, danny, you're right to point out all the reasons why this is not an exact template for presidential race. of course. but i do think

there's a lot here for democrats to learn from. >> and if you look at the opposite, let's say beshear lost it, then it would be, oh, my gosh, it's a big, big warning sign for joe biden. i mean, of course, that's what the way it would have been played. right? so that is it. it's certainly better for joe biden and better for democrats when you look ahead to next year. the andy beshear won an and but i do think that the key here is what it tells what it should tell politicians, what it should tell america about about how to actually be an effective politician. and the answer is to be an effective leader. >> but can we also talk about the extremism bit that you that you just mentioned, casey? i mean, danny cameron was supposed to be the kind of friendly face on a maga friendly republican, so he wasn't like a hard charging flamethrower, but he was he said a lot of positive things about donald trump. he

didn't alienate himself, that he was endorsed by trump. he didn't alienate himself from the far right, but he he did it in a way that made him seem likable. he was potentially a new face for the republican party, a black man in a red state trying to broaden the at least the appearance of the party. that didn't work. i mean, look, there are multitude of factors here, but i think we should point out it does it did not work in this case to put a friendlier face on a maga republican. and there's something to be said. >> i do want you said that governor beshear painted daniel cameron as an extremist on abortion, but i think his position was rather extreme, though, right? i mean, his position was he was right. >> he just highlighted it. >> yeah, he i mean, he he was anti-abortion, period. right. i mean, like he just had a very anti abortion position. he had to come out, actually. >> and because of that beshear ad of the 12 year old girl who said she was raped by her stepfather, daniel cameron had

to come out and say he did favor exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother. >> so the other question i have is we talked about how and we'll see what the results are of the ohio referendum. but there are since roe v wade was overturned, since the dobbs decision, there have been six states that have weighed in on abortion. and kansas, montana and kentucky are among them. so i'm not exactly sure what the kentucky ruling was, but the kentucky has already weighed in on this issue on the abortion rights side. i believe so the idea that this issue is going to continue to haunt republicans, including in in red states and maybe it wouldn't, for example, haunt republicans in alabama, for example. but but in states that are that have trended blue in the last 20 years, it seems as though governor beshear really played that to his advantage in a major way, because he if you look at the maps that john was showing us a little while ago,

he really dominated in the suburbs, in places that donald trump won in 2021. >> one thing about the abortion dynamics that we've been seeing is that key distinction. it's when abortion is put to voters, they tend to vote in support of abortion rights broadly. but when you see abortion being banned and as it is in much of the south, it is usually when the existing republican legislators, legislators and governors move to ban it, not putting it to the voters. but but they themselves feeling empowered by by whoever put them in office, moved to ban it. and so that's why i think an argument against a governor on this issue of abortion, even when it's not on the ballot, can be very potent, because i think voters understand the role that governors have and legislators have in basically passing abortion restrictions without the voters actively be having a say so. and they are pushed in virginia and they are pushing

back on that in some in some cases. >> so, jake, to answer your your question, forgive me for you to answer your question. yes. there kentucky voters rejected a ballot measure that would have denied constitutional protection for abortion. so it was a victory for abortion rights supporters. but the bottom line is that kentucky has one of the most draconian bans in the country. there was a trigger law passed in 2019 that went into effect when dobbs was overturned. so voters there are feeling the effects of what a ban like this does. but, you know, to go back to something you were saying, abby, about, i mean, i was thinking about. yes, david cameron obviously has a different profile from glenn youngkin in certain important ways. but we've been saying the same things about them. right? kinder gentler republicans. >> i actually think they have a very similar profile in some ways, except that maybe cameron is a little bit more openly embracing of the trumpism right. >> but but yeah, the bottom line here is i don't we're still waiting on the results in virginia. but i will say all the democrats i'm talking to are very optimistic. and it really looks like that is just not a package that is selling right

now. so let's let's throw to john king to find out where we are on this ohio referendum dealing with abortion rights. >> john, take about 37% of the estimated vote in. >> so a ways to go in the count. but and this is a very important but, yes, the ohio constitution should have the right to an abortion in the state. constitution is getting 58% of the vote. if you add that up right now and it's 229,000 votes plus is the margin. and if you look at the map, the green is yes. on abortion rights in the state constitution. and if you take a look at that in cleveland, in columbus, in cincinnati, it's winning in the urban areas. and guess what? it's winning in all the suburban areas around youngstown, akron, cleveland, toledo, cincinnati city. this is a romp if you will. donald trump won this state by eight points, right? it has a republican governor who is anti-abortion. the voters of ohio, it's not done yet. we're still counting votes. and we have not projected this one yet. but just like in the kentucky race, it gets overwhelming at some point. you're just trying to be extra cautious and count the rest of the votes as they come in. so let's just see where

we are. you go up here, lucas county, this is where toledo is, six largest county in the state. only 26% of the vote in. so you know, you watch it. you see if the trend shifts 74% right now. so one argument could be these are early votes, mail in votes. so you wait to see if other votes come in. that's what we do. but it's pretty overwhelming. then you come over here to cleveland. cuyahoga. cuyahoga jake. and 78. so the math is the math. >> all right, john, we have a major projection to share with you right now on cnn. projects that voters in republican leaning ohio have approved the ballot measure to establish a state constitutional right to an abortion. ohio becoming the seventh state in the nation where voters have backed abortion rights since roe v wade wass wasas overturnened last ye. the ohio v vote is likely to reinforce democratsts plans too make abortion rights central to their message in 2024. again cnn projecting the abortion rights ballot measure in red ohio will

be approved and that is a celebration. you're looking at right now of abortion rights supporters in columbus, ohio, celebrating their victory this evening, adding to the state constitution. the abortion rights now enshrined in their state constitution erin. >> burnett all right, jake and kate bedingfield, i mean, that's the that's the celebration that you're focused on. that's the train that you say biden needs to get on. there you go. yes, you have had you've had a tough night. so go ahead. >> thank you. >> yes. >> i mean, look, there are there's discussion now. it's funny. i think dana was saying i think it was dana who was saying, you know, if bashir had lost, it would be like biden was a drag. >> and now because he's won, it's like, well, did joe biden really help? i don't know. >> but look, daniel cameron spent $30 million in paid advertising in this race, and most of it was is hitting joe biden trying to tie biden to bashir. so republicans made a really full throated effort to try to make this race about joe

biden. it did not drag andy beshear down. and so the other thing i would say, i noticed a cnn reporter tweeting that the kentucky governor's race has predicted the presidential cycle. yes for the last five cycles. yes. so if we're going to talk, we're going to come down. >> axelrod come down, spend the night talking. >> no, no, no, no, no. a year from now, then let's look at let's look at. >> that's true. >> and i think what you're seeing around the country seems to be consistent with what we've seen all year in race after race, which is democratic turnout is high. now, the polls suggest that republican enthusiasm is greater than democratic enthusiasm. um, but in the real world, tests, at least in this year and in 2022, that hasn't been the case. and the question is, does that carry forward into 2024? and how do the complicated feelings about the presidential candidates enter into it? but this is a better night, a better night before we get too up in the atmosphere. >> i just want to say, ordinarily, i would be very sad if a black guy ran for governor

and lost. but i'm not sad today because of breonna taylor. the reason that you saw no movement of african actions toward him, not just because he was a republican, but because he had a chance to put in jail the police officers who murdered breonna taylor. prosecutors said there was plenty of evidence to do so, and he chose not to. and so for some people, they were voting for andy for beshear, some people were voting about breonna taylor. >> also, i want to throw out there that beshear you know, it's a little bit of a vote for competence in terms of like. right. the voters were happy with how he dealt with the floods, how he dealt with covid. and mcconnell and mitch mcconnell and the and the president all stood side by side with beshear about infrastructure spending. so it's not as though he was this like liberal democrat from out of state, something making people eat kale. yeah, he's a political he's the sign of a political dynasty. >> he's also a really talented presence on television. >> and, you know, you see him in these very moving situations,

these tragedies in which he shows great empathy. and i will tell you that without question, he will be he now leaping into the discussion about. 2028 and the presidential race. >> but to this point. okay. so you look at what's happening tonight, huge victory in ohio for abortion rights. democratic, very significant victory in kentucky in a red state. you know, you talk about you're not seeing the competitive race going on. so there's all that that strength that energy, that enthusiasm. and then you've got a poll that's that's abysmal for biden. right? so what's the gap there? well, that's what we're going to find out. >> but but can i jump in here? >> i mean, the details do matter. and when it comes to the ohio ballot measure, it was specific specifically talked about not just abortion, but about your contraceptive rights, but about miscarriage. also about not being penalized. right >> if you in a world where these

things are happening, it is a little jarring. but i'm saying incumbent democratic, it's not a yes no abortion. >> yes. no, that's not how it's actually playing out. vote to vote state to state. in kentucky, the ads about abortion didn't actually mention abortion . so i think the lessons we want to take away is how did people talk about these things? how did they frame it for the voters? and is that something you can bring forward for the next. >> and i just say also, if you look at the polls, i've not been able to drill down on this, but there's a gap between where biden is and down ballot democrats, right? so biden, terrible numbers in pennsylvania, for example. and the new york times and the polling that i've seen, biden does terribly. bob casey is kind of holding his own right. and . .

>> losing message was i'm backed by donald trump and he lost. i would note the kentucky secretary of state won reelection. michael adams, a republican who had beat election deniers to become secretary of state and won by 61, outperforming daniel cameron. so again, election deniers go down and trump is a drag on the ticket. >> right. and it is interesting, when you get to the top, you get to these polls. what does that actually really mean? right. because when you get rubber meets the road, you're seeing something a bit different. all right. well, contests in ohio and kentucky are now decided. we have made those calls and we are now waiting to see another crucial race that is the mississippi governor's race and how that will play out. a lot of votes still outstanding there are too early to call it. and we expect to hear from the kentucky governor, andy beshear, at any moment now that he is projected to win reelection. we'll be right back. >> cracked windshield on your new car. you don't have to take it to the dealer. >> bring it to safelite. we do more replacements and recalibrations than anyone else.

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on that earlier today before flying down here to miami. >> but my view is that on the merits, our pro-life movement and i am part of it, needs to be better about the way we discuss this issue, actually talk about greater access to adoption, to child care, further even go further to sexual responsibility for men. i think that there are too few of us are talking about these issues that can say we're not in this. it's not about a men's rights versus women's rights issue. it's a human rights issue. the fact of the matter is, clarence thomas brought up an example in the dobbs case of a pregnant woman who was assaulted and asks the question of who in this country would say that that criminal doesn't deserve liability for that death? i haven't met one yet, caitlin. and so i think we're more united on the pro-life instincts than the pro-life movement has actually been good at representing so far . but we need to talk about the issue very differently in order to bring people along here. and i will say that it was also outspent in ohio by many

multiples, the yes versus no. and so the influence of money in politics, i think showed up in this result as well. >> well, a lot of money was spent on the other side. but do you really think it's a messaging issue? and not just that voters clearly believe that they should have the rights that they had when before roe versus wade was overturned? >> well, i think some of this is substance. it's not just messaging actually being walking the walk when it comes to being pro-life on access to contraception, to adoption, to even child care. and as i said, a missing lever that we really ought to embrace on the right is greater sexual responsibility for men codified in the law in an era of genetic paternity tests put more of a burden, financially and otherwise, on the father when it's a confirmed paternity test. i think those are winning paths forward for us . that combined with different messaging. yes i do believe will win many americans over. if you look at a state like iowa, not that different in many respects than ohio. i mean, they're very different states. but when you look at a red versus blue

divide, iowa went for a six week ban with growing majorities for the legislators who supported it. so i do think the framing and the messaging and the context actually does matter. iowa, i don't think there should be a sign that the republican party should abandon a pro-life position. >> iowa is iowa, home to a lot of evangelicals. i mean, ohio is a deeply red state. you don't think this is a sign that your party is on the wrong side of the abortion issue? >> i think it is a sign that the republican party needs to graduate in how not only we talk about this issue, but putting substance into what it means to be pro-life. and i for my part, am doing that. i think i'm the only candidate talking about codifying in the law greater sexual responsibility for men. but i think the less we make this about men's rights versus women's rights, but really in substance, say we're all in this together. i think so. i think so. absolutely. it's going to be up to the voters to decide. it should be driven by the states. and so it's up to the people to speak up at the state level. but i do think that if we frame this

issue correctly, this need not be some sort of final sign that we take. this was a lost battle in ohio today. i'm disappointed about that. i think there are deep reflections in the republican party and in the pro-life movement about how to improve from here. but abandoning the pro-life cause i don't think is the right answer. i think the right answer is opening up other ways where we can walk the walk in terms of being pro-life from adoption to contraception to sexual responsibility for men, codified into law. and i favor all of those things. >> just to be clear, you think the issue is how republicans are talking about abortion? are talking about contraception and adoption, not the actual issue of being against abortion, access, not just talking about it, as i mentioned, caitlin, but i think being willing to stand for some attentive provisions in the law that codify greater responsibility for men in cases of confirmed paternity tests and also greater access to options like contraception, adoption and otherwise. >> so i think that substantive

difference can make a difference. it's not just a verbal question, but yes, i do think that that will change the outcomes versus what we're seeing tonight. >> yeah, well, clearly, voters in ohio disagree since they just voted to pass this by, that they did vote to pass this. indeed, it now is part of the state's constitution. you talked about how this is a state issue. obviously, you're running to be the republican candidate for president. but if you were president, would you sign a federal abortion ban into law? if it was on your desk? >> i've been crystal clear about this. >> i would not. and the reason why is i'm a 10th amendment absolute artist. i practice what i preach in my commitment to the constitution in this should not be a federal issue. so here's what i do do from a federal perspective. stop federal funding for planned parenthood. i think the federal government has no place in tilting the scales using money. but i do not think it is the place of the federal government to get involved in either codifying roe versus wade into law. but unlike many other republican candidates, i stand on the side of principle because that's a constitution limit. roe versus wade was correctly overturned.

but we have to practice what we preach when it comes to the constitution in this is an issue for the states. and i say this as somebody who's disappointed by the outcome in ohio today, but for me, it is about principle over politics when it comes to my commitment to the constitution. listen, i also think that if we federalize this issue as republicans, when the shoe fits the other foot and democrats are in charge, it will not go well for the pro-life cause at the federal level either. more babies, unborn babies will die over the next 30 years. i believe if this issue is federalized, i will say by mr. ramaswami that i mean donald trump predicted who put those supreme court justices in place that overturned roe versus wade, that this is hurting republicans at the ballot box. >> but we have other news about another race in your home state. i want you to stand by for just a moment. we're going to get that update and then we'll come back to you in just a moment. >> we have a new projection for you from ohio, cnn is projecting that ohioans have a approved a ballot measure to legalize recreational marijuana use for adults. ohio becomes the 24th

state in the nation to make recreational pot use legal again. cnn projects the ohio ballot initiative on marijuana has been approved. well mr. ramaswami, we were just talking about how you voted on issue one, the abortion rights issue. >> how did you vote on the marijuana issue this morning. >> i voted no on that one. specifically for two reasons. one is i think it's an abandonment of the rule of law when you have one set of rules at the federal level. but state laws that contradict federal law, i don't think that helps our commitment to the rule of law. i think it creates a lot of confusion in this country and also the tax proceeds here were directed towards purposes that i think have no place, you know, equity programs or otherwise that are completely irrelevant to the measure at issue. so having studied it, i came down on the side of no, but i did hear the update that you just provided. and, you know, at the end of the day, we live in a constitutional republic. that means we live by what the people

vote for according to the rules of that constitutional republic. and so, you know, that is what it is. and i understand that. but i disagree with the outcome that was reached. >> do you feel out of touch with your other ohioans and given the fact that you voted no on the abortion rights issue and you voted no on the marijuana issue and both appear or both have passed and we're talking about 40 plus percent in each case. >> so i think to call that out of touch with ohioans i think is out of touch. caitlin, with all due respect, we do have issues we need to sort out in this country. yeah i don't think you're asking my thoughts. you were asking me if i feel out of touch because i sided with 45% of people rather than 55% of people or wherever. the numbers end up shaking out the reality is, i think we have legitimate, substantive debates we ought to have in this country. my view is let's have them respectfully in the open where every citizen's voice and vote counts equally. and, you know what? that's the way a constitutional republic works on our side, i think needs to do a better job of not only how we message, but how we stand for the substance of our principles. i think there's a reasonable conversation to be

had about the at the federal level, about how we evolve our drug laws. but i think the disconnect between state level laws that are drastically different than the federal laws create confusion and create, i would say, an abandonment of the culture of the rule of law in this country. and that's why i voted no. >> yeah, but ramasami, great to have you with us on that ohio news. given you are an ohio voter. thank you so much. we'll see you in miami tomorrow night, obviously. i mean, he said he voted yes or voted no on the abortion rights issue to hear him talk about how he believes the issue is how republican is are talking about male responsibility for pregnancies and adoption. he thinks that's the issue, not necessarily the stance that abortion access should be limited. >> we just talk about the fact that that the same people, the same body politic that voted to send mike dewine and jd vance to the senate voted to legalize abortion and recreational marijuana use this evening. >> yeah. what is going i mean, what's going on in ohio? >> i mean, this is before they legalize marijuana usage. >> look, i mean, caitlyn, to

your point about the look, you always go to the messaging problem when you have a policy problem. um, you know, i think that that's kind of what you're seeing here with with ramaswami. it's not i don't think that voters don't understand what banning abortion is or not. banning abortion means. i mean, this has been a dominant issue in american politics for 50 years. and so right now, voters are just getting a chance to vote on it. they haven't really had that opportunity maybe in a long time. and when they are voting on it, they are deciding it's really a question, i think, for voters of what do i want my government to do and what do i want to be able to do myself now , even if you don't yourself want to, don't you don't agree with abortion? you would never have won. you don't think people should have won. when you ask people the question, what should my government do? we are finding that they are saying, i don't want my government to be a part

of those decisions. >> do you think do you think it's a libertarian, an argument? i don't think it's libertarian in a political sense. >> i think it is just simply that. i mean, i've talked to voters about this and they just simply say that's not what i would do. but i just don't think that the government should be in charge of that. well except for on abortion. >> well, that there are a lot of republicans who consider themselves liberty on except abortion, because is they don't consider that in its own category. but what i do think is really fast, fascinating and listening to vivek ramaswamy is how many notts republicans are putting themselves in to figure out a way to talk about anything other than what you were pressing him on, which is the fundamental rights that many, many women think that they had rightly so, and that were taken away with the dobbs decision. and the fact that he was talking about it through the prism of men and what men could do, i'm not really sure how that's going

to i mean, can we just call a spade a spade with vivek? >> i mean, i'm sorry, i do need to interrupt because one of the big winners of the evening, kentucky incumbent governor beshear, is about to speak. >> let's let's go to that live in louisville. he's got the dog. maggie. thank you. >> kentucky. tonight, kentucky made a choice. a choice not to move to the right or to the left, but to move forward for

every single family. >> a choice to reject team r or team d and a state. clearly that we are one team. kentucky. a choice of jack harlow over sarah huckabee sanders. and tonight. right and tonight, the people of kentucky elected me as just the third two consecutive five term governor in our history. but folks, this wasn't my win. this was our victory. it was a victory that

sends a loud, clear message, a message that candidates should run for something and not against someone. one that that a candidate should show vision and not so division. yeah. and a clear statement that anger politics should end right here and right now. just just look at what we were up against. five superpacs. my opponent's superpac, mitch mcconnell superpac. rand paul superpac. the club for growth, the republican governors association , an all running ads full of hate and division an and you

know what? we beat them all at the same time. this election showed us who we are as kentucky fans. we are a proud people who take care of each other. we believe in the golden rule that says we love our neighbor as ourselves. and the parable of the good samaritan that says we are all each other's neighbors. no exceptions. yeah. our neighbors aren't just democrats. they're not just republicans. they're not just independents. every single person is a child of god and they are all our neighbor. we get through the hard times and we get through them

together. we get to the good times and we get to them together. and wow, are we getting to them. kentucky is on a historic win streak. the two best years of economic development in the history of the commonwealth of kentucky. we . we're building the brant spence companion bridge without tolls. we're four laning the entire mountain parkway. and we're pushing i-69 forward. so fast that indiana scrambling to catch up. we're bringing clean drinking water to our counties and we are running high speed internet access to every home in kentucky. we're building the two

biggest battery plants on planet earth. and the cleanest, greenest, recycled paper mill in this country. we. are we have record high budget surpluses and record low unemployment. we've created almost 50,000 new jobs, $27.8 billion in new private sector investments. so tonight, i stand here excited and optimistic about what we're going to do these next four years. together. we're. here are here finally, finally, finally. finally over these next four years, is it's time for a couple of things. first, it's time to

get our education maters the big pay raise they deserve. it's time for universal pre-k for every kentucky child. we're going to keep attracting new jobs and new industries, building our workforce, building the kentucky we have always dreamed of. and it's amazing that we're here because we have been through a lot together. devastating tornadoes in the west, historic flooding in the east. and after each, i made a promise is a promise that i would help rebuild. and every home and every life and thanks to the people of kentucky and thanks to this election, we're going to see that promise through. i pledge tonight to

continue to be a governor who serves all our people, regardless of your party and regardless of who you voted for. these next four years. we have an opportunity we an opportunity to come further together. this is our chance to build that commonwealth we have always dreamed of to stop the fighting, to push away the division, and to recognize that we have more that unites us, that can ever pull us apart, and that the opportunity is right in front of us is more promising than at any time in our lifetimes. i have a lot of thank yous first to my parents. to steve and jane

beshear. thank you for all your support, your service and your leadership. i love you. to my wife, brittany. and to my kids, will and lila. you were the reason i do this. but you're the reason i do everything. and i love you all so much. yeah. hadley is here tonight.

yeah. yeah. she is a brave young woman who came forward to share her story, to speak for so many that couldn't speak for themselves. and because of her courage. because of her courage, this commonwealth is going to be a better place and people are going to reach out for the help they need. thank you, adley. thanks to my close friends here tonight. and i just want to take a minute to recognize that we've lost some incredible people recently who stood on a similar stage with us just four years ago. i know they're smiling down . i know they're so pleased at where we're going and i know

they know that we love them and that we will see them again. i want to say thank you to every volunteer and field organizer that did the hard work of knocking doors. here are now reelected governor of kentucky, putting our projection, giving his acceptance speech type energy that helped us win. >> david, that someone, as you were listening here, there was commentary saying this was an acceptance speech, that turned into sort of an announcement. it did sound very big. >> campaign manager. this seems like a this seems like something you want to take on the road. and i don't mean just the roads of kentucky, which he mentioned that some length there, but around the country. and there's no doubt he's going to be a person that people are interested in. we've all seen him, as i said earlier, at these tragic moments. but but the whole idea, i think if you think about what the country will be looking for down the road, it's

going to be someone who can bring people together. it's going to be youth, it's going to be energy, and it's going to be projecting a vision of the future. and we haven't had a guy like that since bill clinton, a good southern governor that's able to reach across the party, divide the racial divide. >> so i think tonight's an important night for the country. the help on the way, not for 2024, maybe 2028. >> david he's he's he's 45. he'll be 46 on november 29th. he he obviously is a red state. he wins one of his key lines there to the point that that david was making about the roads that he's talking about in the future. not left not right, but forward and toll free, by the way, just right what you said. >> toll free. toll free. >> you mentioned the local part of the politics. >> the toll very grateful about. i don't know, he outspent he outspent cameron by 18 million. >> so it wasn't exactly told. well, listen, he's obviously he's he comes from he comes from a you know, a political dynasty in kentucky. >> he's obviously a gifted political athlete. but we're going to see him around. he gave a great speech. he's a

personable guy. he's out there, good family. you know, you're going to see him again. >> there's also pent up demand for leadership. i mean, one thing about being in a gerontocracy is that if everyone at the top of all of these tickets is elderly, sorry, then there's a whole generation of people who aren't necessarily getting their shot. i mean, listen to us all talking about 20, 28. so i think that there's going to be a hunger for voters as they see speeches like his or any other in the next couple of years to say, gosh, who's next? well, at the least, what you see in the polls is such incredible dissatisfaction. >> right. with the choices that that voters have. right. so that there would be a hunger to hear to hear anything new. >> well, i was going to say, before we coronate him, the future democratic leader for 2028. what do you mean he ran. he ran as a consummate moderate. he actually intentionally addressed the abortion issue without using the word abortion, did not make it a focal point. he focused on effective results for the state of kentucky. he talked about the bipartisan infrastructure results he delivered, how he responded to floods. so i think that he actually ran on, you know,

borderline right of center on particular issues. this is somebody with tremendous talent. there's a future there. but this is also not where the national democratic party. >> i think if scott jennings were here and not in kentucky with his friend daniel cameron, he would disagree with you a little because whenever i've had a discussion with him, he'd say he's he and not for the cameras. he'd say he's really a liberal in disguise. so i think that, you know, i'm not sure. and no one's coronating him. listen, the first person to that i first tweet i saw congratulate him came from jb pritzker, the governor of illinois, who's who's been investing in campaigns all around the country . there are lots of young democrats. and the other thing, democratic leaders who are who are who are waiting to emerge. >> the other thing, too, is i think we spent a lot more time on people's position as opposed to the personality. yes, people are looking for stuff they are half the stuff we talk about folks can't follow at all. but if somebody is a is a leader and somebody can bring people together, i think they they get a shot.

>> yeah. and i think also we talked a little bit about reaching across the aisle. and, you know, i would disagree a little bit. >> alyssa, in that i think there are actually a lot of democrats in our party who do want to reach across the aisle, who are met with a lot of opposition by republicans. >> and i think one of the things that gets lost sometimes, particularly in primaries, when people are when the sort of most the most extreme voices are the most vocal, is that actually the majority of americans want to see their leaders reach across the aisle and they want to see them work together. and that frequently gets lost. but it is actually at the end of the day, it is something that motivates people to turn out and vote. obviously, governor beshear is somebody who can do that, but i think there are other democrats who can do that. >> is there anything biden can learn from this? >> well, look, i think this is actually a very biden esque campaign. biden also talks a lot about reaching across the aisle. in fact, during the 2019 primary, he was pilloried for talking about being able to reach across the aisle. and he was told that's not what democratic voters want to hear. and that's actually been the core of his message. and he's been able to get things right

because if you look at the candidates who have been nominated by the democratic party over the last many cycles, as it isn't generally the most liberal candidate, it's generally more center left candidates who have the ability to work across get in and then they govern. >> they govern center left once they get in. >> no, i'm saying they're center left. >> well, it looks looks like it looks like center left policies are doing pretty well. >> they've got plenty of time left. >> bipartisan infrastructure law , of course, are celebrating in kentucky. >> a significant win there for governor beshear, jake. >> all right. the big question of course, but do they have a shot in mississippi? we're waiting for more votes to drop in the governor's race there. and of course, it's can democrats beat back this republican push for full control of the virginia legislature? critical results coming up. so stay with us. tomorrow after the republican presidential debate, get critical context from the

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he's ahead of his democratic challenger, brandon pressley, who has 41.9% of the vote. it's about one third of the vote is in. 34% of the vote is in. and let us go to look at the votes with our friend john king. i know it's only about a third of the vote in still, this is not the results that democrats were hoping for. so when it comes to brandon pressley, should he anticipate that he's going to have a blue christmas? no i'm very proud of myself. this is the only one i've told all night . >> thank you very much. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> so, look, let's just wait till we get hyde's county. this is the biggest county in the state by population. it's about 8% of the state population. remember when diane gallagher was there earlier, the democrats went to court, got a judge to extend the voting a little bit. so we have no votes from haines county yet. and so mathis, statically you look at this only about a third of the vote in.

that's a big lead. that's a big lead. let's not let's be honest about it. 57 to 42, that's a big lead in a red state. the republican governor has pulled out to a big early lead. we do have a lot of gray. that means counties where we have no votes at all. so you just want to be cautious and wait again, especially this is the big one. and it's a democratic stronghold. but but you'd have to see something quite overwhelming there. but you still count them. and we see how we go. you look around elsewhere, you come down. i'm just looking in the blue counties to see what you do at this point of the night. you're looking so what's blue, right? the democrats behind. so what's blue? 80% of the vote in. it's a pretty small county population. teeny county. so there's not a lot of math to make up here right. so you come in, you look at some of these other blue counties. let's just move up here. only 4% of the vote in. but again, 15 out of 82. so it's in it's in the top half, top third when it comes to population. but still relatively small. so my theory on these things is, you know, it looks like governor reeves is out to an early lead. however, with the largest counties still out in a democratic stronghold, still out where we saw from our own reporter on the scene, long lines. let's let them count votes. and let's see, does hines county, when this comes in, does

it substantially change those percentages if it does, then you keep counting. counting. if it doesn't, then, you know, the math is not enough. >> so just to just on the basic math of it, how does brandon pressley have to do in these these big democratic counties in order to make this competitive like 90% of the vote? like, what does he have to do? >> this is like a biden in a philadelphia. you need around 80% of the vote somewhere like that. and that even might not be enough in a state that has not voted democrat for governor in 20 plus years. let's not we're not i'm not trying to tell people at home, stay up, stay up, stay up. the democrat might win here. the democrat is not likely to win in mississippi. however, this is a has been a competitive race into it. and this is the largest county in the state and a democratic stronghold that even. let's just go back to the presidential race. you see all this red go back to the presidential race. you know, joe biden did not have a good night in mississippi. he got 41% of the vote. but you see from jackson and up the western part of the state, there are a lot of democratic counties here along the river and the like. so

you know, can it happen? you know? yes. so let's come back. right? so remember, this is the blue part of the state. now we come back here, look at the governor's race and that's what's not filled in. right? so that's the democratic part of this. this is the stretch joe biden won. now these are not these are not giant population centers. right? 0.9% of the population, 1.5% of the population, 0.1% of the population. so there's not a ton of votes out there, but this is the flip side of what we always say about donald trump. it is donald trump in most states that runs it up in the rural areas. right. to offset what happens to the democrats. so let's give mr. pressley a chance. let's see. let's watch as these votes come in and see. do you have a, are you winning by lopsided percentages in all these counties? and b, is turnout high ? have you generated democratic turnout in a way that might change the math? >> what are the population centers other than jackson, where brandon pressley has to run up the vote? >> well, that's the that's the hard part in the sense that this is the number one county in the state and we have nothing. right. so we're going to move around a little bit. that's number one. so now you're moving around. you're looking at other places. so you come down here,

you know, to biloxi, jackson county, you know, fifth. it's the fifth largest, 20% of the vote in. he's running ahead ten points. that's decent. math is it enough? that's the question. right? how did biden do in jackson county? so you come back here and you come to the thing, boom, 31. so he's he's overperforming biden okay. down here, overperforming biden. the question is, is it enough? right because it was so lopsided. it was so lopsided for trump here. but there's one and then you come up here. i just want to come up here and you're south of tupelo. these are just small counties. that's 2% of the population, 2% of the population, 36% in again. so you're looking at 2000 votes there, 2400 votes there. the question is, can you can you double that or a little bit more as you go when you're looking at 58,000? but if you can get 2000 here, a couple hundred here, it's possible. and we'll know it's much easier to do the small math when you get the big math. and we have nothing here right now. so that will tell us, you know, how late you're up and how closely you're counting. >> so, so far, mr. pressley is outperforming biden from what we can tell early on with only 38.

>> but you really have to outperform biden in a state like mississippi, right? like, remember outperforming biden means you're outperforming 41, right? >> so if you need 50, you have to dramatically outperform biden. that's the issue. but you know, again, i'm a big believer in counting. and when you when you have the biggest when you have the biggest democratic area still out and, you know, joe biden won that part of the state, then there's every reason to just wait and see. we're up to 40% of the vote. it's a 58,000 vote lead. i just want to peek around a couple other places just to see where you see blue. you know, only 9% of the vote in. but again, it's tiny, less than 1% of the population. but you're winning 67 to 33. so there is something mr. presley clearly has appeal in these rural areas. he clearly has sold his message. the question is, trump brought people out of the woodwork to vote. can presley do that? looks bleak at the moment, but we got a lot of votes still to count. so we watch. >> all right, john, thanks so much. and we have a projection now in a big city mayor's race that we're watching in the great

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you have nothing to lose. go check it out. now go to crystal flush.com. >> i'm gustavo valdes in tel aviv. >> this is cnn. >> a key race alert. and a reminder where we are. a good night for democrats in two key races this evening. incumbent governor andy beshear won reelection in kentucky and an abortion rights ballot measure was passed in ruby red, ohio. still undecided, decided as of now, the mississippi governor's race. and, of course, well, here's where we are on that. with 43% of the vote in incumbent republican governor tate reeves is ahead by 55,383

votes. he's up at 56% of the vote. democrat brandon pressley, a second cousin of elvis presley , has 42.5% of the vote. when it comes to the battle for the virginia legislature. let's take a look at the virginia house of delegates. democrats are currently leading in 53 of those races. republicans are leading in 47. that would be if it holds as a pickup for democrats. the control of the house of delegates in the virginia state senate, which is currently controlled by democrats, democrats are leading in 22 races. republicans are leading in 18. this has not been decided. this is just where they are leading. but right now, as of as of now on these numbers, looks like a good night for democrats over at cnn's over our let's go to mj lee now and mj the president spoke to the kentucky governor, andy beshear, this evening. >> that's right, jake. >> and here at the white house,

there is already a mood of celebration. the president has been watching election results come in tonight from the white house. >> residents with a couple of his close advisors. and he just sent out this tweet. he said across the country tonight, democracy won and maga lost voters vote. polls don't. now let's go win next year. of course, there is a donation pitch there as well. look, there are two things that the campaign , un and the white house are both saying that they feel vindicated about. first thing is, when they look back on this kentucky race, they say there is a model for democrats to successfully run on the biden record. they say that they've seen the governor run on the bipartisan infrastructure law. and you saw in his speech, the governor's speech tonight, he mentioned the brant spence, brant, spence bridge. this is famously the bridge that brought together president biden, mitch mcconnell, beshear and others in a rare show of bipartisanship. and you will hear the campaign

continuing to say that it does help democrats run on the biden record. of course, what they won't say as readily is that the reason some of these candidates are running separate from the president is because he remains deeply unpopular. and the second is they are feeling really good about the vindication they are getting that abortion remains a really salient issue issue. this is something they felt very good about last year as a show of political force and a way to drive out their base. and they say that they have gotten that again, this year as well. and it will remain a top issue heading into next year. >> all right, mj lee at the white house, thanks so much. we're getting a new window into republican reaction now to the abortion rights measure that passed in ohio. manu raju is on capitol hill with that. manu, what are republicans saying? >> well, they're actually downplaying this loss. i've talked to several of the top republicans here in the house about the outcome of the ohio voters approving that constitutional amendment to affirm abortion rights. several of them said simply say that the

2024 election will turn on other issues. they don't believe abortion will be that salient issue that the white house hopes it will be come next year. that's the view of jim jordan, who is, of course, an ohio republican, someone who tried to become the speaker of the house himself. but he said that the issues, in his view, will be will be determined by things like crime, things like immigration, abortion, and he says will not be on voters minds, at least, he hopes come next year. another house republican leader told me that he does not believe it will be determinative at all. in key house races. and then the speaker of the house, mike johnson, someone who has made abortion issues, anti abortion issues central to his political identity. i asked him about this and about this being the seventh state to affirm abortion rights. he declined to comment. jake said that he wanted to look into this a little bit more here, but in talking to republicans, they don't believe this is a big problem for them, even though last year, the election 2022 did not go their way in large part because of abortion jake.

>> all right. manu, on capitol hill, thanks so much, erin burnett all right, jake. >> so okay, alicia, you just heard what manu is reporting from jim jordan. no comment on what happened in ohio on abortion, but it's going to be crime and immigration that to look at don't look at abortion over there took a similar path to vivek ramaswami basically saying maybe it's a messaging thing or it's a different issue. >> abortion is the issue. but i want to note something. the man who is the most responsive for the dobbs decision, donald trump, actually has has been ahead of other republicans in creating distance on the issue of abortion. what i mean by that is he obviously chose the supreme court justices that led to that ruling. but he about six months back said that a federal ban is a huge mistake. he was criticized by republican outside groups, by fellow candidates. he does seem to uniquely get how damaging the politics of going all in on a full on ban are. so there's going to be this weird cognitive disconnect. can he convince the voters? i'm actually fairly moderate on the issue, even though he's who got the country to where it is on

the issue. >> he's got to get he's sort of i shouldn't use the word get out of jail free card in this context, i guess. but he's got a pat. he's got a pass because of those court appointments. and he hasn't been touched in this campaign. some of them went after him for opposing the six week ban and calling it cruel. so he's positioned himself smartly. can i just say one thing about this, though? the republican party unanimou unanimously in the house elected a speaker a couple of weeks ago and mike johnson, who was one of the most ardent anti abortion rights members of the united states congress, for jim jordan to say, oh, this isn't going to affect us next year, he's delusional. and every one of those swing districts, those members are going to be held accountable. >> i think it's i think it's also interesting, you know, we've there's been a lot of talk about as glenn youngkin charted a new course, a new messaging frame for republicans here. and we'll see, obviously, what happens in virginia. but, you know, we heard him interviewed earlier and really fundamentally, his message was a

very you what you would traditionally call a pro-life message. i mean, he switched the word limit for ban, but, you know, he didn't talk at all about protecting the right of a woman to make her own health care decisions or for that to be between her and her doctor. he didn't use. if he's serious about trying to find some sort of new middle ground for republicans, he didn't use any of the language that is means awful to people who are who feel strongly about protecting abortion rights. so, yeah, it's interesting, though. >> when we were talking about this briefly off camera, so i'll put it on camera. so, van, you know, when you look at the new york times poll, broad mirroring the one that cnn just put out, but it had the battleground states and it has trump ahead of biden, five out of six. right. so when you think about how are you going to motivate things, i understand it's a year out. it's a snapshot in time. but if you take the abortion issue, do is there a way at this point for it to be a become a part of the voting in any of those states in a way that could actually harness some of this enthusiasm that you're seeing tonight on that issue and put it behind? biden? >> i think so. and i think what

you're starting to see tonight, look, you brought this poll out and it was like you just dropped a big brick on everybody's head because all it said is like democrats suck and biden's in trouble. and now tonight, actually, it looks like there's reason for hope. there's a heartbeat out there and the heartbeat is out there. when you've got some leadership, you've got people reaching out across the aisle. and when you have issues like abortion, i think people are going to be cross pressured between, you know, despair and hope, between wanting to send the democrats a message and but not wanting to live in trump's nightmare world. so the game the game is not over. but i think if you look at the difference between the polling data and the performance at the actual polls, you see this thing is still in motion. >> part of it is that is the context, right? people didn't think that democracy and election rights issue would be the salient issue during the midterms until there was just person after person who was an election denier, who was actually running for office. it's the same thing with the abortion issue. it's not that the issue itself drives people. it's that do you have someone on

the ballot who is speaking in a way that you feel threatened? one way or another? and that context will be meaningful depending on the state? it's not just abortion. general right? it's in ohio. this voters have been asked now multiple times is, hey, do you want to enshrine an abortion ban in one way or another? and they're repeatedly rejecting it. the more you're talking about it, the more you're putting it in front of the voters, the more you're creating a salience issue that even if there might not have been one before. >> yeah, look, republicans are going to have to figure out a new a new path forward if they're going to win, if we're if we're going to want to win. abortion has been on the ballot in kansas, you know, in kansas, right? in kansas, yeah, in kansas, kentucky, ohio. now, over and over. at some point, the republican party has got to wake up and say, what are we doing wrong here? right. let's we have to fix this. we have to fix how we talk about we have to fix how we think about it. we're going to keep losing, right? they're going to have to be. the question is, can you do that within the context of a party

that demands it? well, and that's and therein lies the rub, right? because everyone has to get through a primary. right. kate was talking about earlier, you know, we want to see these, you know, people want to see in america these really nice political figures who kind of chart a middle path. and of course, that's what everyone wants to see. but we're not going to get there because the party system is set up to reward extremes on both sides. those those candidates never make it out of a primary. you know, most people in all congress, i wouldn't say it's the party system. >> one would argue it is also gerrymandering. well, that's i was going to say. >> so you have 435 members of congress and there are 400 congress people who sit at home and don't worry about an opponent. they're more worried about losing in a primary than they are in a general election. right. it makes things being it's very tough to kind of be in the middle moderate. right. >> kate's point about it can't just be the messaging. it has to be the policy. well, 15 weeks of supported by 68% of americans. now, that doesn't mean that many don't want more access to abortion beyond that, but that is a fairly moderate place where the broadest swath of america is. but you have to then actually sell that and you have to talk about what an overarching vision is. and this is where the gop continues to

lose it is. it's paid parental leave. it's greater access to foster care. it is contraceptives. you have to have a comprehensive plan and say, we are going to be the most pro-woman party if we're going to say there's going to be restrictions on one side of abortion. right. >> and also, do people vote? you know, when you talk about 68% of people support that. okay but do they think in those terms? right. when we were talking about it actually, and we didn't get to talk to tim scott about it, but he had supported a 20 week ban and a 15 week ban. right. and it's 62% in the exit poll of ohio of people said they supported legal in most or all cases. so how do people get to a level on a voting a voting booth of what does most or all mean to me or is it a feeling? >> well, exactly. and i think that you have to put it into the stark terms of about, you know, that gets to about four months in or roughly four months in 15 weeks. and i think for a lot of people that that potentially seems like a reasonable place to be. but it's very different when somebody's in the situation of a crisis pregnancy, which again, goes back to why you have to have all the resources on the front end to try to keep as few

women from being in that position. >> but all this conversation tonight and what we saw in ohio, kate, does this put more air into the balloon of the abortion discussion? because i feel like a couple of weeks ago, a lot of people were saying, okay, that had its moment, had its moment. people were passionate about it. now they've lost that passion. has that changed now? >> well, i'm not sure it had ever changed because voters were clearly still feeling passionate. right. i mean, you're absolutely right that the political conversation, the political conversation had kind of moved on, but that wasn't turns out actually where voters are. so i think, you know, to alice's point, you know, i think people don't necessarily sit and think about, you know, six weeks versus 15 versus 2026. some do. most don't. i think most feel this larger sense that their rights are being taken away. choice is being taken away. their freedom is being taken away. and so, you know, in a state like virginia, where i would agree that most voters there would probably tell you that 15 weeks, with some exceptions for the health of the mother, you know, is a

reasonable place to be. it doesn't feel like that when what youngkin and the republicans are saying is we're pulling back from what's currently allowed, which is 20. which is 26. >> right. that's. yeah. and again, it's not the math. it's the meaning, it's the intention. i mean, and so i think the republican party has has given a signal that they are willing to crush people's rights in the name of some kind of ideology. and democrats are saying, we respect you more than that. it's not going to be the math. it's going to be the intention. >> it's just interesting when you got republican is at the point where most people agree, but the feeling it's coming from it is different. i think there's a patina of extremism that has infected the republican party that isn't a both parties thing. >> i think it really is a problem for the republican party. you can dominate primaries that way. very hard to win general elections. that. >> all right. i'll stay with us. and there's so much more ahead as republicans fight to keep their grip on the governor's office in mississippi. we are watching that one right now. and what do tonight's results mean for president biden after these crucial wins already notched for democrats in both kentucky and ohio? so. statanley steememer is

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and 47 races. republicans are leading in the state senate. democrats are leading in 21 of the races. republicans in 19. in the democrats already control the state senate. right now, the republicans control the house of delegates. if these races continue as they are right now, that would be a pickup of one of the houses, one of the legislatures in richmond. we'll see how that shakes out. john king, what do you got for me here? >> so let's focus on mississippi, then get back to the broader dynamic. you keep asking the question, is it possible, as you noted, governor reeves, the republican incumbent, tate reeves, his lead has increased since the last time we had this conversation. and that has happened even as more votes have come in in this democratic belt in the western part of the state. i just want to show you, just bring in who lives here. if you come in and look at who lives in this part of the state, this is a largely you see the deeper the color here, the higher the percentage of black voters in this area. it is a traditionally democratic area in the western part of the

state. and that is where the democrat, brandon pressley, is getting votes. but as more of that has filled in. so here's the one place we're still waiting. we have nothing from the largest county in the state. jackson the suburbs around it. this gets more rural as you move out here. so here's the mathematical challenge right? no votes. it's a predominantly democratic area. so you say, wait, let's just wait and be cautious. it would be you know, it's just not right to call the race until you get votes from this area. however, the democratic candidate four years ago beat tate reeves by 40,000 votes in hinds county. so let's just hypothetically say that happened here. that would still not be enough. right. and so you're still looking there's more votes coming in, but there are still some votes out in the republican area. so this looks like the governor is on a path, but we need to wait and see what happens in here. so that's the one thing outstanding. plus, those virginia races. but now let's just go back to that dynamic. so what's happening tonight right at the beginning of the night, we said, what does tonight tell us? will tonight tell us important things that we can carry over into 2020? >> i think i think it is. right. >> so that's the challenge, right? so a democratic incumbent at a guy who says we should work with the other party talks a lot

about roads and infrastructure here. sounds like joe biden, right. presents himself as a moderate. okay, let's have ish. okay. ish wins convincingly, right? wins convincingly. that's a big deal. yes in a very red state, that's a big deal. that's a yes for democrats, right. so then you come up to ohio, a red state that abortion. right. forces not only winning, but winning by 11 points right now. right in a state donald trump won by eight. wow. that's a big deal. right? and so now you have what's happening in virginia where if the democrats hold the state senate, that's another victory for the abortion position. that's another victory. >> and pick up the house of delegates. >> if they if they if they do that right. that's a huge rebuke of governor youngkin. >> well, you also didn't mention the fact that that one of the reasons i think beshear won, one of the reasons of many is that he painted the attorney general as as an anti abortion extremist. exactly. and so, i mean, like the abortion theme, i think is a big part. >> yes. abortion. so democrats. yes, it help without a doubt helping democrats in a red state

. the constitutional amendment passing again, pro abortion rights amendment passing in a red state. and so then you come to virginia. i'm just going to bring up the 2020 map here. we don't have live feed from the from the legislative race. but in a state, joe biden won by ten points and governor youngkin won just barely. you know, but but by three points, two years later, governor youngkin was trying to say, i can win in the suburbs. i can elect these legislators, and we will ban abortion after 15 weeks. if he does not get the assembly, that would be another. we'll see what happens with the votes. that would be another. so we're having this conversation about momentum for the democrats. we're still waiting on virginia, but momentum for the democrats and the abortion issue, the way they characterize it in kentucky, momentum in ohio. and yet what were we talking about earlier tonight, our brand new cnn poll. let me just come back to the presidential race that shows joe biden in a ton of trouble, a ton of trouble. our national poll combine that with the new york times, siena college poll where he was lose here, losing here, losing here, losing here, losing here and

losing here. and so that's not good. that's not good. thank you very much. that's excellent. and so what this looks like is this. yep. right. donald trump, five of those six states, donald trump won in 2016 and was president in 2020. joe biden takes them back and he's president. so which is it or democratic issues having a great night in kentucky. red state, ohio, red state, virginia, the bluish purple state. so democrats should be celebrating or should we be looking at the biden poll and democrats should be saying, oh, no. right. and so this is you know, david chalian, you're looking at this poll. is this. yes, it's tonight. it looks like a good night for the democrats. yes. is there a carryover? >> tonight is undoubtedly a good night for the democrat. yes, there's no doubt about it. and it's not just issues. you noted bashir's identity is part of this. his political identity. i think what we are seeing tonight is that and by the way, tonight, guys, builds on a year of

successes and special elections. oh, yeah. builds on last year's midterm elections where they overperformed expectations largely on the issues of abortion rights and democracy. so democrats have been on a run here. and i think when you look at the poll, you see that there is a biden problem more than there is a democratic party problem. so we asked in our poll in dealing with the nation's issues, biden is mostly part of the problem or the solution. overall, 61% said he's part of the obm. look at this breakdown here. obviously, 95% of republicans say he's part of independents, 67% say they in dealing with the nation's issues, biden is mostly part of the problem. and a quarter of democrats now, one other data point for you from our poll. look at the generic congressional ballot. this is the whh party do you want to control congress for next year? it's tied 48% to 47. so the

generic democrat running for congresseris overperforming what joe biden's doing. and joe biden's problem, as we talked about with black voters, latino voters, young voters, it's in his own house. he has work to do, which, by the way, is why the biden folks feel somewhat like they do have a path out of this doldrum moment that they're in because they just they have to revitalize and enthuse their own folks who have already been with them. it's not a guarantee that he can do that. but that's a lot easier than trying to go in and dig in and convert people. and so it is within his own house that we see this diminishment of support for. a quarter of democrats say he's part of the problem. that's not i mean, andy beshear didn't win that big without winning a slew of trump voters. also, this. what we're seeing tonight is the democratic brand is not in trouble here. joe biden is in trouble. >> so can joe biden in the year between now and then, a his personal structural issues, vitality, is he up to the job?

that's a big problem. the issues portfolios. david notes the democrats seem to be able to use to their advantage. that's it. can he can he reinforce his personal characteristics, some which are weak at the moment and get the issues portfolio that helps even in a place like this. got a whole year we'll see. yeah. and this will be the first post row president election we've ever had, which is another wild card thrown into the entire mix. >> a key race for republicans is still undecided right now with more than half of the vote reported in the mississippi's governor race. up next, we're going to talk to a republican presidential candidate, chris christie, about tonight's results and what that all says about the political climate in 2024. stay with us. being a journalist is the best job in the world. thank you so much for doing this, sir. appreciate it. >> happy to. i think we have a big crisis of democracy. >> do you think the united states is headed for a recession? >> i think that that is where jerome powell is trying to drive it. >> my goal is to be a voice for people watching as ukraine going to win this war. why do you

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>> thanks, erin. while we wait on that, let's just get more tonight on some of the key races and the 2024 race with republican presidential candidate chris christie, who's also the former governor of the state of new jersey. governor christie in ohio tonight, the big story is that voters have yet again voted to codify abortion rights. there is the republican party on the wrong side of this issue when it comes to the average american voter. >> well, abby, look, i think that, you know, for 50 years, conservatives have been arguing that this was not a federal issue, that it should be decided state by state. i've certainly felt that way. and i think you've got to let it be decided state by state. and that's exactly what's happening. and so the voters are getting their opportunity to speak. the supreme court took that away from voters for 50 years with roe versus wade. and i support voters making these choices and states making these choices and whatever the results are, are

what the people want them to be. and that was my whole argument with roe from the beginning in terms of what they did legally. they took this out of the hands of the people and put it in the hands of nine justices on the supreme court. that was wrong. and now let each state make their own decisions. you're going to have great variation in across the country in terms of what people want. >> so back in 2015, you supported a 20 week federal abortion ban. i think you know as well as i do a lot of folks on the right, some of these anti abortion groups, they really do want this to come to the federal level. likely if there's a republican president, if you were the republican president, they would want to bring it to your desk. if they did that. given what we've seen tonight, would you vote or would you sign a bill that banned abortion at the federal level at any amount of weeks. >> i think i just answered that, abby. what i said was that, you know, the people of the state should have the right to make this call. so you have the right

just to be clear. >> so that's a that's a no you would not support. >> well, why don't you would not sign anything at the federal level that bans abortion. abby. abby if you let me finish my answer, i'd be happy to give you a complete answer. what i what i'm saying to you is that i want this entire 50 state experiment to go forward. and let's see what all 50 states have to say about this. if at some point there was a clear consensus amongst all 50 states about some number of weeks, that would be something i'd be willing to consider, but it would have to be a consensus that was formed by the 50 states. >> so i just want to be clear. if anti-abortion groups came to you and said, we want to know what your position is on any federal ban, you would say no support for a federal ban unless all 50 states voted in favor of a federal ban. is that correct? no that's incorrect. >> you mischaracterized my

position. what i said was there's going to be all kinds of different positions in my home state of new jersey. you can have an abortion up to the ninth month in the state of oklahoma. there's no abortion unless the woman's health or her life is at risk. and there's going to be all kinds of different variations in between if bringing all those together, there was a consensus at some midpoint that could get 60 votes in the united states senate and come to a president's desk. i'd consider that. but i don't see that happening anytime soon. and quite frankly, i want the all the states to be able to make their own judgments on this before the federal government even considers weighing in. >> so also tonight, in a very red state, the state of kentucky , the democratic incumbent, he beat a rising star in your party , daniel cameron. cameron was also notably endorsed by trump. he was embraced by him and embraced trump himself. was that a mistake on his part? daniel cameron was a rising star in the republican party until he

decided to throw his lot in with donald trump. >> i mean, let's face it, donald trump is political and electoral poison down ballot, down ballot. he is in his endorsement has led to republican defeats in the house, in the senate, rather in the house in 18. in 20, we lost the united states senate in the white house. in 22, we underperformed miserably. and tonight, you're seeing us lose again. daniel cameron made a huge mistake by embracing donald trump and selling his soul to him. and that's what he did. and the voters, kentucky very red state, as you noted, gave their verdict on politicians who sell their soul to donald trump. >> it's looking to be governor christie, a potentially good night for democrats in kentucky and ohio on that ballot measure. even in the state, the commonwealth of virginia for. is there a risk here that republicans are to overcome confident that biden can be beat when it seems like voters seem

open, at least to the democratic party and even some of the policies that have been on the table in this off year election? >> any republican who's overcome confident about beating joe biden next year is a foolish republican. the president's in incumbency will be a very strong tool on his behalf. and so if he is the candidate for the democratic party, which it appears he will be, he will always be a difficult opponent. he defeated an incumbent president himself just three years ago. so i don't think anybody should be overconfident. but what we should be concerned about is if we're going to absolutely put a loser up against him, donald trump lost to him in 2020. donald trump has led us to losers up and down the ticket for the house, for the senate, and in governorships. this has been a disastrous run for the republican party with trump picking these candidates and embracing them and independent voters all across

this country rejecting him. that's why, abby, i've been out there making the case against donald trump in a way that none of these other candidates have. the other four candidates are going to be on the stage with me tomorrow night. all raise their hand and said they would support donald trump, even if he was a convicted felon. i mean, this is the path to defeat. we have to defeat donald trump in the primary to have any chance of beating joe biden in the general election. that's why i want to continue to make this argument on the debate stage. folks should go to chris christie.com and donate to keep me up on that stage because i'm the only one who's willing to take it directly to donald trump. >> all right, governor christie, thank you. abby. >> thanks for having me. always good talking to you. >> and back to you, erin. >> all right, abby. well, stay with us because we're getting more votes from the governor's race in mississippi. the republican incumbent right now holding his lead, but most crucial county still outstanding . plus, that high stakes battle for control of the virginia legislature is still unfolding. we're going to get updates and show you how much it may matter for the 2024 election after this

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therapist can be really important. >> the republic presidential debate hosts debate analysis live tomorrow at ten. >> we got another key race alert for you. >> it's in mississippi. governor terry eves, the republican incumbent, is 73,203 votes ahead with 55.5% of the vote. that's ahead of democratic challenger brandon presley, who has 43% of the vote. that's with 62% of the estimated vote in. that's a sizable amount of the vote in john king. there's still quite some vote to come in. we've got about 37% of the votes still remaining to come in, but 62% is a lot. and the margin here, 12 points or so is quite sizable. >> it is. and so you're getting close. you're getting close to the range. unless the numbers change dramatically and change dramatically very quickly. and this is what we're waiting for. the last couple of times you've been here, haines county. so we

just started. that's our first just to remind people, i'm sorry to interrupt, the biggest county and the biggest county in the state by far 8% of the statewide population and also a very democratic county. right so if you're in philadelphia, if you're in pennsylvania, this is philadelphia. if you're in ohio, this is cleveland. if you're in california, this is los angeles. this is where, you know you're going to get a lot of democratic votes. however, the question is, is it enough? 86, 13% of the vote. and so you look at that and you think, ah ha, well, we're behind. but that's big math. can he hold 86% as we get up to 100? that's really the challenge here, because if you look at this, you come back, i just want to bring it out again. so here's the race right now. let's go back four years ago and look at tate reeves won, you know, 52 to 46. so a six point race, 47. if you round that up a five point race, if you bring that up. so what happened here? you know, it was 78 to 22, right ? you see the vote margin there. so 40,000 votes, right? 40,000 votes. the democrat won hines county by then. and you come back here now, we don't know how much brennan he's going to win hines county. the democrats are going to win. hines county. we don't know how by how much. but look, if it's a 40,000 vote

margin, it's not enough because we're filling in everywhere else. you see these other gray areas, there will be a few more thousand more votes coming in, 62, a fair amount of votes still coming in. but the percentages out here, as you get into these places where you see 80% of the vote in, you move over here, see tiny, small county, still only 4% of the vote in a blue place, but 81% here. so there's just not much more math to be done. the big math to be done is all right here. and so i'm just going to see as we wait here with the 13% a minute ago, we're still there. so now you wait and you see mathematically possible, maybe mathematically probable. all your eyes don't lie. >> so i know you don't like it when i touch your math, but my guess. you sure? >> sure. >> so i'm just going to go to hines county. see, i don't know if i don't have to touch hines county, so it's about a 7000 vote mark margin, right? right. with 13. so extrapolating that out, if he if brandon presley kept up this margin and won by

65,000 votes in just this one county right. possible not probable, but possible. 65,000. i know it's not enough in that one county, but that gets him in spitting distance. >> that's that's why we haven't called it, because you just. you just wait. you just. you be conservative and. and let's just count them. there are some people are in a hurry, right? >> i'm not saying i'd put my house on it. i'm not saying i would bet any money on it, but i'm just saying it's possible. >> yeah, it's possible. we're in the back half of the book, but we're not in the final chapter until we know where that gets us. does it get it close enough to then grind it out from 80% to 95% in the places where all the votes aren't in yet? again, i would say improbable, but not impossible, which is why we count votes, which is why every now and then we are surprised. >> yeah. now are there enough telltale signs, though, that that would cause people to be calling the race right now? >> oh, there are just some people, you know, you can again, you just you just did the math. you did. you did exactly the way people on decision desks are

doing it. right. so this was a 40,000 vote margin four years ago. if he keeps this percentage and if turnout rate is equal. right then then he has the potential to be higher than a 40,000 vote margin. jim hood had 70 something. he's at 86. so, you know, there's conceived all that instead of a 40,000 vote margin, it's a 50 or 55 or maybe even a 60,000 vote margin. so then you're saying, okay, well, what would that get you? and then what do i still have out here on the board? right. so you have no votes at all here, but it's 0.6% of the population right now. it's democrat, 65% democratic county. pressly's going to win here. he's going to win here. and he's going to win probably by a sizable margin. this is a democrat plus 41 in a presidential year that joe biden won this county. again it's only 1% of the state population. but he won it by 40 points. >> so, so tell me, show me how joe biden won this county. what did he get here you go. >> 70. okay. >> so 4000 votes. 4000 votes. okay. and show me the other one that where were we? >> we were down here. and let's just make sure we're in the same

place. where are we this year? no, we got. yeah, we got nothing here. yeah. okay, so. >> so. so what was it for joe biden? it was. >> so now we come back to that again, and we come here and it's a 5000, 5000. okay, so it's i mean, so if you if you get let's come back to the right race. >> but we're not going to have that kind of turnout, though. >> you're not you're not going to have presidential turnout. but but but you're talking you know, if let's say it's 2000 instead of 4000. right so this is why it matters. >> does this get you closer? very very improbable. >> correct? >> i would not put any money on it. >> correct. >> but but who knows? >> but we count, right? >> what you really need to know is you need more votes to come in from haines county. >> you need you need to get you need to see when you get to 50, 60, 70. that's what it is. is that number still above 80? and not just the percentage. what's the turnout compared to the last election? are you are the raw numbers you need you need. yes. the percentages help. but if there's only 10,000 votes, the percentage doesn't help you. if there's 100,000 votes, then you're doing business. >> we're going to squeeze in a quick break. we'll be right back

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rare rebuke. the vote was 234 to 188. four republicans voted against. 22 democrats voted in support of the censure resolution. on my panel with me here now, the context here. david axelrod, obviously, i mean, this is a significant development coming on capitol hill. this particular issue issue right now, the war, israel's war against hamas is right now front and center in the political discourse and in polls and crucial, you know, battleground states. yes. well michigan in particular, where biden got strong support from the arab community around detroit, which is pretty significant. >> and there's been a precipitous drop in support there. and obviously among young people where there's a tremendous amount of division about about the strong support the president's given israel, given the attacks of israel on gaza and hamas. but you know.

from the river to the sea does have meaning and she did distort what the meaning of that was. it does mean the elimination of israel and that's certainly what hamas means by it. >> absolutely. >> so, you know that is to a lot of a lot of folks, me included, and an offensive notion on kate. >> you know, interesting in the context here of biden, who has tried to walk a line here, speaking for a possible cease fire for humanitarian reasons, a brief one, but still obviously very much in support of israel's right to defend itself. what do you make of a vote count here on this in this context? 234 to 188, incredibly split, 22 republican, though, joining the more democrat side and i'm sorry , democrats and four republicans against. >> yeah well i mean it speaks to how how divided the country is about this and how emotional people are, understandably. i

mean, this is a horrific thing we are seeing just awful, all horrible. just incredibly, incredibly awful images every single day. really heart rending. so, of course, it's understandable that people are are upset and that they're emotional. i think you know, the politics of this. i think what president biden has tried to do, you know, is to express support for israel. let's not forget, i'm not sure there's another country in the world that could be attacked via a terror attack in the way that israel was on october 7th, where the united states would say, you don't have a right to retaliate. so the president, i think, has been incredibly supportive. remember he also went to israel in the days after the attack in part to put his arm around netanyahu to help guide so i think that gets lost sometimes in the intense rhetoric, which is understandable. but let's not forget, by the way, ran an ad that essentially accused the president of being a party to a genocide. >> that's. >> are you surprised, david, by the split, though, that that

we've seen in this country sort of as i think it has taken some by surprise to see the backlash on the democratic left on this issue? this didn't used to be an issue where there was a lot of space between the two parties as now listen, i mean, this has been going on for years. >> the bds movement on college campuses has been has been festering for years and years. and years. and it's been quietly festering. and now it's raised its ugly head and it's for everyone to see. and i think, look, it should be widely condemned. i mean, this is a great step here on the floor. it shouldn't be acceptable in any in any form. >> there's a massive generational shift on this issue that i think democrats have to wrap their arms around. when you have someone like hillary clinton definitively saying people who are calling for a cease fire, do not understand hamas and then having students walk out, a consummate democrat who's worked in foreign policy her entire career, young people. there is polling that shows they don't understand the holocaust. they don't understand the history of the region, why the israeli statehood came about. you can support the palestinian people. you can support a two state solution, but you have to be able to condemn terrorism, which is where i think rashida

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