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tonight, former first lady rosalynn carter has entered haas pin care at her home in georgia. her family revealed earlier this year that she had been diagnosed with dementia. her husband, the former president carter, entered hospice earlier this year. he is the longest living president now, 99 years old. thanks very much for joining us on this friday night.
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on this friday night. "ac 360" begins right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening. earlier tonight our cnn crew witnessed the most intense shelling in days. israel's 12 news is reporting what it says is a police report showing the number of people killed at the nova music festival is much higher than believed. it was believed tom 260 people have been slaughtered. now 364 people were according to israel's channel 12. also according to that news channel, police also say that 40 festival goers were kidnapped and taken into gaza. israel's military revealed it recovered the second body of a hostage near the hospital. she was 19, a corporal in the idf, and she had been kidnapped from a kibbutz.
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yehudit weiss was discovered yesterday. president biden spoke with the leader of qatar, who brokered the negotiations. three sources tell cnn hamas has demanded israel stop flying surveillance drones. the sources say israel uses those drones to track hamas' movements and is unlikely to -- that request. nic, we showed the heavy bombardments in northern gaza. what's the latest you're hearing now? >> reporter: still hearing explosions. there were exchanges of gunfire. we can see over in this direction, looking over there now i can see there's a glow in the sky that wasn't there before. so, that's clearly aftermath of a blast over there right now. so, the fight is still going on. not as intense as what we were seeing earlier on today.
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as you were mentioning there, really sad news for two families of hostages. and i went to meet one of those families today. yehudit weiss is the first israeli hostage discovered by the idf since their full incursion began almost three weeks ago. the dearly loved 65-year-old grandmother, a mother of five, was already dead. >> translator: yesterday, we were heart broken for the second time in a stronger way, when they told us about father, there was still hope that mother would return. and yesterday we were told that we would not see our mother and grandmother again. >> reporter: her husband was killed october 7th, when hamas stormed their home in be'eri kibbutz. but even now, her death a mystery. the idf claimed she was murdered by terrorists. >> has the idf been able to tell you how she died? >> translator: they can only
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tell us she wasn't killed ton day of the attempted rescue. they don't know if she was murdered in gaza or her remains taken into gaza. >> reporter: early friday, the body of a second hostage was recovered. 19-year-old idf corporal noah mash i can't know, discovered by the idf in a building near the shifa hospital. a hamas propaganda video released this week that cnn is not showing, claimed she died as a result of an israeli air strike. oma is sure his mother did not. >> you said you knew for sure she wasn't killed in an air strike. how do you know that? >> translator: yeah, we have to trust in military. and we trust they do everything to free them without harming them. >> reporter: as fighting continues around the al shifa hospital and across northern gaza, the idf estimates another 237 hostages are still missing
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and are vowing to continue their search and fight in the south. >> translator: we're determined to keep advancing. this will happen anywhere hamas is found. and they're also in the southern strip. >> reporter: cnn cannot independently verify events inside gaza, as phone and internet services are cut due to fuel shortages. a doctor at the al shifa hospital was able to reach the qatari news network, al jazeera, telling them, we lost most of the intensive care patients who were on ventilators due to the lack of fuel and oxygen. he also claimed there was no water and electricity in the main buildings and said food supplies promised by the idf are insufficient. hundred of patients and children suffering. for oma weiss and his family, a new type of suffering now. hope and fear replaced by loss.
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>> translator: we waited for mom for 40 days. for mom, it's too late. we need had to try everything we can in order for the hostages to be returned, all of them, as quickly as possible. >> reporter: the corporal noah -- family too, a closure of sorts at her funeral in a war of abundant loss, heartbreak is never that far away. >> nic, what's the latest you've heard about these hostage negotiations? >> reporter: there's very little that's really breaking the surface that's new. i think a couple of details that seem to have some currency at the moment, debate within the israeli government about whether or not there should be some of the women and children released or all of the women and children released together. of course hamas also saying that all the drones, the israeli drones, should be taken out of the sky over gaza.
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that's a new precondition that they're putting forward. i think the central part, though, at the moment, is the focus does seem to be on the women and children. and some families of hostages that i talked to say that particularly of men. they say they're a bit worried about that because they want everyone released. they really want the women and children released. and the elderly people as well. but they are concerned if the men aren't freed now as well, then they could be stuck there for a very long time, anderson. >> nic robertson, thanks. joining me now is former chief of the hostages and -- unit of the mu sad. when you hear about some of the terms of the hostage negotiations being discussed, fuel trucks into gaza, multi-day pause in fighting, stopping drone flights in gaza, which of these points do you think israel can negotiate?
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and which are completely out of bounds? >> i think that most of the times that we-- terms that we'r hearing are non-negotiable. the hamas wants us to stop the war, for us to forget the 7th of october and for them to continue as it was the day before. the drones in the sky are essential for this war. they will continue. the release of part of the women and part of the children and not all of the hostages will create, in israel, a terrible situation in the future. what are we going to do with the parents of all these soldiers which are obviously going to be kept? and the pause that the hamas wants, that will make it very difficult to restart the war the day after. and as we've said yesterday, these negotiations -- these
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demands that the hamas are now posting are really a non-negotiable situation. if you ask me, the only way that we're going to see any advance in the release of hostages is when the pressure on hamas becomes a lot stronger than it is today, meaning the minute that we start dealing with the south of the gaza strip, you will see the hamas crumbling. here, i want to note something that your reporter didn't say. what has happened in the last couple of days is that the closest people to sinwar have been killed. and sinwar is now feeling our breath very close to his neck. >> general kim met, what would fighting in the south look like? i mean, they have told hundreds of thousands of people -- hundreds of thousands of people
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have gone to the south, han eunice, and other places, very overcrowded conditions. there are some aid trucks coming across. but obviously people are in dire straits there. how tough -- what does that kind of fighting look like? where do those people go? >> that's a very good question. i'm quite mystified at what they mean by fighting in the south. obviously most of the humanitarian efforts are down in the south. the israeli army specifically said, move to the south. so, if they're talking about the types of operations where you're actually going in among these civilian populations, that just mystifies me on how they would do that. i would not suspect there are tunnels down there the way we saw in gaza city. but this is going to be probably even a tougher fight than they found inside of gaza.
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>> rami, what does fighting in the south look like to you? there's 50 people living in homes. you know, people are just sleeping anywhere they can. what does that look like? how do you operate in that environment? >> well, the south is a big -- in the south there are several areas. we've been asking the gazans to move to the mua si area, which is the area closest to the sea. and this is where the big tent cities have been established. fighting in the south does not mean we're fighting in the same area. and as you will see in the last couple of weeks, the fighting is very surgical. it is slow. it is very methodical. we are trying not to reach any of the non-combatant population in the gaza strip. and i think that there is no way that we can eradicate the hamas without dealing with most of its
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forces that have been -- that have fled to the south. now, again, one will note, the noncombatant population in the gaza strip is really a non-existent term because all of the gazans voted for the hamas. and as we have seen on the 7th of october, most of the population in the gaza strip are hamas. nonetheless, we are treating them as noncombatant. we are treating them as regular civilians. and they are spared from the fighting. >> general kimmitt, the idea to negotiate to not fly drones for a period of time, of several days, as hostages are being let go, if that is the sticking point, that seems unlikely that the idf would agree to that. talk about just the importance that drones have right now in this war for israel. >> well, let's be very clear.
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when you're fighting inside of the city, your eyesight goes about one block to the next very high building. but when you use drones, you have far better visibility of the entire area. when you're looking at it from approximately 500 feet in the air, you can see the enemy coming at you. you can see the enemy running away from you. you have a better idea if they're repositioning. that's one of the dangers you have inside urban operations is your lack of visibility of the surrounding area because of the buildings in the area. but that is taken care of if you can get something -- an eye in the sky, as we talk about -- which gives much better ability to see the region. >> general kimmitt, appreciate your time. rami igra as well. today is the ninth birthday of one of those hostages, we want to point out. emily hand is her name. her father was in times square with a billboard when photos of
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emily went live today. you may remember thomas hand was interviewed by clarissa ward. he said when he was initially told that his daughter was dead, he thought it was the best news -- his term -- because of what he believed his life would be like. he later found she was highly probable alive and a hostage. today thomas hand says his prayer is that his daughter will be home for christmas. next, a major ruling in favor of the former president, the one where the judge still says he engaged in an insurrection. residents in san diego, the deal with the constant stream of migrants who crosseded the boro onto theirir land anand camp ou. detailils ahead.
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a short time ago a colorado judge decided the former president will remain on the ballot in colorado should he win the republican nomination. the ban on insurrectionists in the office is a win for the former president. the judge was scathing with her assessment on his conduct on january 6th. judge say rah wallace writes that the -- january 6, 2021, through incitement. and the first amendment does not protect trump's speech. however, she says the ban does not apply to presidents. joined now by our justice correspondent, jessica schneider.
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so, talk more about the judge's decision here. >> this was actually a lengthy decision by the judge here, 102 pages. in it, it's a bit scathing at times. she goes minute by minute through trump's actions on january 6th leading up to the capitol attack. she talked about her words incited, in her words, lawless violence. she talked about how trump did nothing to stop the violence and how he did engage in an insurrection. notably, this is the first time a court has come to that conclusion. despite all that, the judge did stop short of taking trump off the colorado ballot. in fact, she ordered the secretary of state to keep him on the ballot. anderson, that's because of the specific language of the 14th amendment. so, section 3 said that certain officials cannot hold office if they've engaged in insurrection. but the judge noting here, president of the united states is actually not specifically listed under section 3 of the 14th amendment. she wrote this. she said, part of the court's decision is its reluctance to embrace an interpretation which would disqualify a presidential
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candidate without a clear, unmistakable indication that that was the intent of section 3 of the 14th amendment. so, really saying because the constitution does not explicitly state a provision for a prospective president to be removed if they engage in insurrection, that trump has to remain on the ballot here, anderson. >> so, what happens next? >> so, it is likely that the group that tried to get trump off the ballot, they will probably appeal to the colorado supreme court. it's actually a group that includes several republicans. so, they have to file their appeal to the colorado supreme court by monday. the appeal there, it could be heard pretty quickly. and ultimately anderson, there is a very good chance this case could be heard by the supreme court. but we know the supreme court solidly conservative. the majority of the justices, they're really sticklers in adhering to the exact text of the constitution. so, it's likely that trump would ultimately end up victorious at the supreme court. but it is very likely that we'll see the challenges go up through the appeals court and probably
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end up at the supreme court. >> i want to get some perspective from david urban, elie honig, and jessica roth, who's now professor of the cardozo school of law. what's your opinion? >> this is extraordinary. >> extraordinary in the way that it's scathing. >> extraordinary in that it's scathing and also the choice the judge made here. she ruled in trump's favor on a very specific legal ground, that he was not in an office the section covered in the 14th amendment. she could have stopped there. but she has 100 pages of fact findings, factual findings, against trump that are just devastating. finding that he intended to incite violence, that he engaged in insurrection. she also has findings, for example, that she knew he lost the election, but facts that are highly relevant to other cases, criminal cases. so, just the breadth of what is covered in this opinion is
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extraordinary. and the substance of the findings, they're just devastating. >> why do you think she went into that level of detail? >> i think what she's trying to do is make sure that this case can be resolved as expeditiously as possible. so, if an appellate court in colorado or the supreme court of the united states ultimately overrules her on the legal determination, she has provided those courts with the factual findings such that she can just essentially substitute a new ruling based on her factual findings, if a court disagrees with her ruling. she won't have to have a new trial or issue a new opinion applying the law as those appellate courts find it to the fact. she's done it already. >> elie, is this what you expected, based on the other states which kept the former president on the republican primary ballot? >> it is, anderson. i think we've discussed this on air. the fundamental reason these lawsuits keep failing is because we simply don't know how this works. we don't have a process in place. yes, the 14th amendment tells us
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anyone who engages in insurrection is disqualified. that's important. the problem is in the 150 years or so since that was passed, neither the constitution nor the supreme court nor congress has given us any guidance as to how it works. and what we cannot do, we collectively, is invent a process now on the fly and then apply it retroactively. because that would violate the 14th amendment's due process provision. and i think this is why, anderson, we've seen now every official who's considered this, republican and democratic, state secretaries of state, and now four different judges, including democratic nominees who are have all ruled against these motions, all ruled in favor of trump, but all for different reasons. we don't have a procedure in place for how this work. >> part of the ruling read trump engaged in an insurrection ft it's the first time a court has determined he did engage in an insurrection. does that mat frer any legal standpoint? >> i think it does matter legally. if there's an appeal, the judge
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has made a very careful record here to support her findings. she held a two-week trial. much of it is drawn on the materials in the public record. she draws heavily on the record establishedty january 6th committee, which i think is a testimony to the ongoing importance of their work. it's important politically and atmospherically, but also legally as well. >> david, how big a boost politically is this for the former president despite a scathing rebuke from the judge of his behavior? >> elie and i talked about this earlier, anderson. i think that if the judge were to have found that this was violative of the 14th amendment and took donald trump off the ballot in colorado, it would have been a boone politically for the president because he would have pointed -- the former president would have pointed to the fact that here we are again. look what they're doing. they're trying -- an unelected judge -- in this case, an elected judge in the state of colorado, partisan, is trying to do what joe biden can't, beat me. so, by failing here, i think that democrats did themselves a
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favor by not playing right into the president's hands. it would have been -- they would have been shouting from the rooftops. this now, kind of, goes quietly into the night. by the way, anderson, i would say, if this was such a slam dunk, i think merrick garland and mr. smith, the prosecutor here, january 6th, they're examining this, would have taken it, would have taken it up. instead the president wasn't in charging the federal level. >> it is interesting, jessica. it was a number of conservative scholars who backed this idea. i talked to a couple of them on the program. and they have an argument for the fact that, yes, the language does not specifically say "the president," but it does talk about -- i forget what the actual language is. they believe it covers the president, even though it doesn't say it does. >> right. so, there's a dispute among scholars about what actually the language encompasses. and it's a historical question in large part. what did the framers or those who adopted the 14th amendment,
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what did they intend this clause to cover? and she n her opinion, sites the evidence that was presented to her, including other provisions of the constitution that are relevant for her determination of what this provision means. and she makes a finding that she's persuaded this section doesn't cover the president as an officer. that's clearly something an appellate court would disagree with, looking at the historical evidence about the intention of the people who drafted the 14th amendment section 3. so, that's a really clean issue in a sense to go up on appeal as a purely legal question that probably should be decided by the united states supreme court ultimately. >> elie, do you think that's where this is headed ultimately? >> i do think it could well end up at the u.s. supreme court. and what the judge does in this decision, further to jessica's point, is really thread a very fine needle. she says the 14th amendment applies to officers. but officers does not include the president. that may sound very unusual to normal, sensible people. but the judge points at other areas in the constitution where
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there is a distinction. for example, the judge says, if we look at the impeachment clause, it says that the president, vice president, and officers shall be impeached, dot, dot, dot. and therefore the judge basically says, where the constitution needs to differentiate between the president and officers, it does so. if it just says officers, that does not include the president. i agree with jessica. this issue is rife for appeal. >> do you think they try to use the judge's rebuke of him in this? i don't know that that will play particularly -- does it matter? >> i don't think it matters. i think this is going to be a one-day story and democrats would be wise to move on. as elie pointed out, it's been a loser in each instance, every state it's been tried. as you pointed out, republican secretary of state have looked at this and said, not a winner here. move on. i would think, if democrats doesn't win, go to the ballot box. beat the guy in november. just ahead, the crisis at the southern border.
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land owners along the border expressing growing frustration about the flow of migrants onto their property. david culver went to investigate. .
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after days of meeting with world leaders at the apec meeting in san francisco, president biden highlighted the strong relationship between the two nations. they also addressed the growing migrant problem with mexico's president praising biden for the immigration policy. that same sentiment isn't shared by land owners along the southern border who say their lives are complicated by the surge of migrants crossing into the u.s. cnn's david culver travelled to
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southern california to investigate. >> reporter: where the border wall ends -- >> that's mexico? >> that's mexico right there. >> reporter: -- is where the nightmare begins for jerry schuster. >> one after the other just come and walk alongside of the fence and out in america. >> reporter: many of the migrants then set up camp here in san diego county, in schuster's backyard. we find trash, tents, and fires fuelled by schuster's trees. >> they chop them up and they put them on the fire. >> reporter: we find other land owners along california's southern border equally frustrated. five miles west of schuster's property, we plan to meet brian. but before he gets there -- pretty simple cross over into the u.s. and like that family, it's not that hard. they just step in and they're here. >> reporter: the group hurries on as silva arrives. >> what do you want on your
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property? >> not my property. the united states. i don't want them to come in illegally. why do they got to come all the way -- why do they got to come here? why don't we post up border patrol all right here. they say, nope, you guys ain't coming in. >> but that doesn't happen. >> and what of you were -- you've seen over there what's going on. >> reporter: over there is less than half a mile away. we find customs and border patrol agents leading small groups of migrants to cvp vans. and medical volunteers doing what they can. >> we did see some covid down in one of the other areas we stopped. >> i hear coughs. >> everybody. >> i was not aware there was this many people out there until this morning. >> reporter: helping to feed them, sam schultz. he's turned this nearby youth center into his makeshift kitchen. >> i cannot abide, as a christian, to see people hungry and thirsty. now, i can understand why people are angry about these people
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coming across because it is a very strange and unusual and technically and completely illegal. >> reporter: that doesn't stop schultz from helping. we follow him to his next stop and find a crowd so big that border patrol needs buses. for years, migrants who crossed illegally would run from law enforcement, terrified to be caught. here, we watch them run to them, eager to be processed, knowing they'll be released in a few days to await court dates that could be years away. it all seems so orderly. they're given a tag for their carry-on, line up to show their documents, which are then scanned using an app. the men handcuffed to each other before boarding. after several days in custody, the migrants are bussed north into san diego. each day, several hundred are released at this makeshift logistics hub funded by san diego county. it's here non-profits help coordinate travel to other cities. but now our san diego county tax
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dollars that should be going to issues that we have here in san diego county are going to migrant and immigration issues, which should be managed and handled by the federal government. >> reporter: a senior cvp official tells me they work to ensure releases are done in secure locations. the strain on local resources, one of many challenges. as a find out, communication is another. spanish and english no longer enough. >> kazakhstan. uzbekistan. turkey. >> wow. >> uzbekistan. >> china. >> reporter: the government should do something to stop this illegal immigration, stop it. because they're not helping us. they're destroying us. >> reporter: schuster and his wife, maria, say they support legal immigration. title 42, a public health measure invoked during the pandemic used to allow authorities to turn away migrants at the border. but that expired in may.
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and the schusters tell me in the last six months the surge of migrants onto their property is unbearable. >> you're not allowed to tell them to get off your property. >> no, no, no. translator: who told you that? >> border patrol and sheriffs? >> a senior official tells me that stopping people from entering private property or arresting people for trespassing, that's a local law enforcement responsibility. i asked the san diego county sheriff's department about that, and they told me the migrants would likely be cited and released. this would scatter asylum seekers. >> the border patrol agents, i know that they didn't sign up to be uber. because that's all they are right now is uber. >> i understand, hey, this country is built on immigration. i'm fine with that. but not like this. this is ridiculous. >> reporter: silva suggests we stay through the night and see for ourselves, so we do. we captured this from a camera we set up in another part of
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silvas' property. look at this massive group crossing. and see the headlights on the mexican side? likely a smuggler who dropped them off. as the sun comes up, we find schuster already awake, looking onto his yard as another bus is being loaded up. >> when you look at that, what goes through your mind? >> i think this needs to stop. it's not good for our country. this needs to really stop. >> david culver joins us now. why doesn't customs and border protection monitor and patrol the open sections, especially if the land owners are asking for it? >> reporter: i think this is what's really frustrating for those land owners. and the fact is border patrol is there. you saw that in our report. they're working all hours. they're really exhausted, those agents. but they also have limitations. a senior cvp official tells me that border patrol does not have the authority to stand on the
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border and push people back to prevent them from entering the country. they have to let them come in. they then take them into custody. they inperfect them. and they process them. what was fascinating to me and my team is nearly every single migrant seemed the know the deal. they were looking forward to getting closer to those cvp agents just to start the process, anderson. >> and are people applying -- are all these people planning applying for asylum? obviously that process is broken and takes years to even get a hearing. >> that is a really important point. a lot of them aren't quite sure what process they're going forward with. many of them ultimately do go forward with asylum. but you're right, if they do, their court cases are months, if not years, delayed. but in that time >> but they're not allowed to work legally -- they're not allowed to work legally if they're applying for asylum. >> no, they are not.
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no, they're not. but they're able to find ways to at least sustain themselves rngs as they put it. >> david culver, thank you. appreciate it. next, how a nearly 100-year-old jewish world war ii veteran is using his voice to fight against the disturbing ririse of anti-sememitism.
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in an effort to tackle growing anti-semitism and islamophobia triggered by hamas' october 7th attack, the department of education has launched investigations into alleged incidents at seven schools across the country. the first investigations of this kind by the department since the attack on israel. six of those schools are universities. gary tuchman sat down with a jewish world war ii veteran who's using his voice to teach students about the holocaust and today's explosion of anti-semitism. >> hill bert, who lives in atlanta, is three months away from his 100th birthday. just before his 21st birthday, army private first class, a jewish soldier, deployed to fight the nazis in world war ii. >> and when the battle of the bulge broke out, they rushed our three infantry infantry regiment
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as thektd get over there. >> reporter: hill bert and his late brother arrived and occupied france. the two gunners ended up in combat and headed across the border to germany. >> we couldn't be more than three yards away from our howitzer because we could get fire missions morning, noon, and night. >> reporter: on april 29th, 19 4 45, the brothers investigated a horrible odor they smelled. they saw an open train boxcar in dachau. >> what did you see in the boxcar? >> nothing but deceased bodies. we had a little brownie box we had liberated a couple weeks earlier. so, we decided, let's go ahead and take a picture of that boxcar, which we did. >> reporter: the brothers knew nothing about nazi death or
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concentration camps, but hillbert and howard were among the first on the scene. they were liberators of the dachau concentration camp, where more than 40,000 people were murdered by the nazis. >> are we going walking before we eat dinner. >> no, i don't feel up to it. >> you don't feel up to it. okay. >> reporter: he and his wife have been married for 75 years. for most of those years, he didn't talk about the war, didn't reveal his emotions. but several years ago he was an honored guest in washington and walked through a train boxcar exhibit. >> this was a very nice looking boxcar. but when i got in that box war to walk through it, that's when i broke down. >> reporter: he has since been on a mission to teach and inspire. he speaks to schools and organizations. >> ladies and gentlemen, let's give a warm welcome. >> reporter: late last week, it was to hundreds of students at
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atlanta's st. pie yas x catholic school. >> prisoners in those barracks when we were there that sunday morning. >> reporter: but he never considered his speeches more important than he does today because of what happened in israel on october 7th. >> in all the years you've been back from war, and it's been almost 80 years, have you ever seen anti-semitism in this country as bad as it is today? >> no. i've had some incidents growing up, jacksonville, florida, that in business, but nothing -- nothing -- like is happening now. >> hilbert's son, jerry, said he's never seen his 99-year-old father struggling with his emotions like he is now. >> he wants to talk about it and
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go a little deeper, but he can't. it's too painful to think that all of this could happen all over again. >> if it doesn't slow down, if it doesn't change -- >> the anti-semitism? >> right. then who's next? >> reporter: before we left hilbert, we thanked him. >> never thought of myself as a hero. to me, the true heroes are those that didn't make it back. those are the true heroes. >> gary tuchman joins me now. what an incredible man, an incredible life. and also at this age to be so engaged and doing that. >> his presentation was magnificent. and he did it all, the entire hour, without notes. and he also operated a powerpoint presentation to show pictures. >> did he really? wow. >> and our speech, 15 minutes of shaking hands afterwards, never sat down. he stood up the whole time. it reminds me, when we did this story, today, the youngest world
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war ii surviving veteran, who was 18 years old in 1945 when the war ended, today is 95 or 96. so, if you're lucky enough to know a world war ii veteran or you're lucky enough to meet a world war ii veteran, don't forget to say thank you. >> i just rewatched "the pacific" and "band of brothers" on max. it's incredible. just so incredible. the -- i mean, the fighting that those -- >> i feel the same way you do. >> just incredible. gary tuchman. next an update on first lady rosalylynn carter,r, as she ene hospice care alongsiside h her husbsband, formemer presidenent carter.
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former first lady rosalynn carter has entered hospice care. the carter center says she joined her husband former president jimmy carter. the former president started hospice care nine months ago. mrs. carter is 96 years old. she was diagnosed with dementia in may. randi kaye has more. >> i knew that she was quiet. she was extremely intelligent. she was very timid, by the way. beautiful. and there was just something about her that was -- >> you're blushing.
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>> -- irresistible. i can't help it. >> reporter: the carters grew up together in plains, georgia, before tying the knot in 1946. theirs is the longest marriage in the history of u.s. presidents. they celebrated 77 years together this year. as he tells it, he took rosalynn to a movie on their first date and was smitten. >> the next morning, my mother asked me what did i do. i had a family reunion. she said, who did you go with? i said, rosalynn smith. what did you think of rosalynn? she's the one i'm going to marry. >> she was 21. she was 18. their decades-long marriage has had its challenges, but shared interest seem to be the glue. over the years tharks skied, fly fished, and bird watched. and read the bible together every night. both volunteered with habitat for humanity. >> i'm going to talk a little bit about jimmy, and he's not going to like it. there has never been any kind of
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damage at all to jimmy carter's heart. i knew he had a good heart. >> reporter: on the campaign trail, jimmy carter called his wife, his secret weapon. rosalynn visited more than 40 states during the 1976 presidential campaign. after her husband became president in 1977 -- >> i jimmy carter, do solemnly swear -- >> reporter: the carters teamed up in the white house. when he lost his bid for re-election, they moved back to their same home in plains, georgia. barbara walters wanted all the details. >> do you sleep in a double bed or twin bed? >> double bed. always have. sometimes we sleep in the same bed, but it's more comfortable. >> reporter: rosalynn has been by his side through it all. skin cancer that spread to his brain in 2015. a mass on his liver. a broken hip.
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jimmy carter has credited his loving marriage for the reason he's otherwise been in good health. the carters had certainly slowed down with age but have still been enjoying a full life, with four children, 12 grandchildren, and 14 great grandchildren. according to "the washington post," the couple had a saturday night routine of walking a half mile to a friend's home for dinner and a single glass of chardonnay. they also managed to figure out what else it takes to keep their love alive. >> first of all, we give each other plenty of space to do our own thing. >> reporter: and their love only seems to have grown stronger. jimmy carter has said marrying rosalynn was the pinnacle of his life. >> when you look back, what are you most proud of? >> in my entire life experience, i would say it was marrying my wife, rosalynn. she's been a very profound, beneficial factor in my entire existence and still is. >> that was randi kaye reporting. we wish them the best. coming up next, a preview of
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sunday's "the whole story." cnn makes it into sudan to report on the atrocities of war.
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this sunday night, i hope
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you'll join me for a new episode of "the whole story." she returns to sudan, her homeland to try to make sense of what is happening to her country being ripped apart by war. between the sudanese army and the paramilitary rapid support forces. take a look. >> reporter: as the sun sets, our situation becomes more precarious. >> we've just been held every single check point, despite assurances we've been given. it's now 10:00 at night, and we're still an hour and a half before our destination. >> reporter: every in a moment that we are delayed, it gets more and more intense. and delayed again and again and again. luckily, we managed to get in touch with a distant cousin of my