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group of smart people and break down the big stories in our own way. today, we're asking, with ron desantis and nikki haley both making a lot of news is, either of them now a serious threat to donald trump? plus, hunter biden's strategy shift, getting aggressive with house republicans, did he outsmart the gop. and the aarp, our panel, yea or nay, from rocking on nur 80s. everyone is here and ready, so sit back, relax, and let's talk about it. up first, crunch time in the republican presidential race. the iowa caucuses are now just six weeks away, which means the clock is ticking, for top challengers to donald trump, to start gaining ground, and find some way to cut into his big league. and two of those candidates are making some noise.

>> the next president of the united states, nikki haley! >> first, nikki haley, the super pack, americans for prosperity action, announced it is backing her, bringing massive resources to her campaign. >> they like my economic plans and my plans for the future of america. >> and j.p. morgan ceo jamie dimon said, he's encouraging business leaders to support haley. >> we've got one more fella to catch up to and the momentum is growing. >> then there is ron desantis who went head-to-head with california governor gavin newsom, in a made for tv debate. >> what biden and harris and newsom want to do is take the california model and do that nationally. this country must choose freedom over failure. >> you're trolling folks so you can outtrump trump. and by the way, how is that going for you, ron? you're 41 points in your own home state. >> newsom has a point. recent polls in the early contests show trump still with a big lead. he's up 27 in iowa.

ahead, 22 in new hampshire. and in haley's home state of south carolina, trump leads by 35 points. with me around the table, podcaster, kariya swisher, reihan salam, president of the manhattan institute, and national review contributing editor, "new york times" journalist and podcast host lulu garcia-navarro, and author and pollster kristen solas-anderson. lulu, let me start you with. back to the faceoff. did desantis help or hurt himself in that debate on thursday night? >> he helped himself. no question about that. i think he only had to go up, and i think gavin newsom was a disappointment, and i don't think -- he seemed a little smarmy, a little smug and they were basically gacking up on gach newsom, it was two on one, i don't think it was a fair

debate. >> meaning the moderator. >> all of the conversations. fair and balanced. and all of the facts that they showed, i mean these were facts that were very carefully selected to show california in its worst light. i am actually a native floridian, and i can tell you that there was a lot to say about florida that was not said there. >> i don't do that at all. i have to say. i thought desantis did terribly. especially that last line about neither of us is running in 2024. it encapsulated, and did the damage that needed to be done, that trump, quote, you know, you're way behind in your own state. neither of us is running in 2024. pointing out his lack of charm and i get the smarmy part, but desantis is the opposite, which is the opposite, no charm whatsoever. he is charmless. >> let's hear from a conservative, kristen, did desantis help himself, at least to the extent that by debating a democrat, instead of other republicans, he was able to show that he's a true conservative?

>> what i think it probably showed was this is why i should have run four years from now. he has not shown at this point that he has what it takes to take out donald trump, and that's the elephant in the room. that's what is driving the republican primary. so he can have a good debate and get some zingers in against gavin newsom but the entire debate was in an ultimate dimension where donald trump doesn't exist and in this dimension where we live, donald trump does very much exist, so whether it is gavin newsom, or ron desantis, both of them are people who clearly have political futures in front of them, but it seems to me, that ron desantis, even if he did well in a debate like this, it is still a side show and still where i don't know that he set himself up effectively for four years from now. >> reihan, let's move on to the other person having a good week this week, nikki haley, she got support from the kochs on the right and jamie dimon ott left,

and is she, and i know a lot of people want to see a competition on the republican side, is she becoming the serious threat to donald trump? >> i believe she has an enormous opportunity. the reason she has an enormous opportunity is how the new hampshire primary works. the new hampshire primary is an open primary. if you are not affiliated with the democratic party, you can vote in that primary. and when you look at 012, and 2016, those were two races where you had a huge number, over 40% of the folks who took part in those republican primaries, were independents and nikki haley has a huge opportunity there, to actually win in new hampshire. and that would blow up the narrative about donald trump's inevitability. >> kara -- >> okay, sure. >> i don't know what planet you're living on. >> do you take nikki seriously? >> i think she is a very good candidate for another time and donald trump exists, and unless they're marching to san quentin,

i guess, i think he is the nominee. >> here is the way this could play out. if we're entertaining the notion that this is possible, i have to think back to the 2000 campaign, right? you have the big bush juggernaut, wins at iowa, then goes to new hampshire, and because of exactly what reihan said, in new hampshire, and independents get to participate, back in 2000, that's where mccain suddenly surprises everybody, could nikki haley surprise in new hampshire? she could, but for one thing. the existence of chris christie. he's currently polling in about one out of six or so new hampshire voters. and that's just enough where i'm very confident that nikki haley voters -- >> let me bring up another part of the scenario. i remember 2000, and yes mccain had a great new hampshire and then he went to south carolina and bush clobbered him in south carolina and that was basically the end of it. and i understand nikki haley, it is her home state, but as i said in the piece earlier, she is trailing trump now by 35, she is further behind trump there than she is in iowa or new hampshire.

>> she has the electability argument. if you look at ron desantis, it is very hard for him to make the case that he is more electable than donald trump in a general election. donald trump is polling better against joe biden than he's ever done, including back in 2020, better than hillary clinton back in 2016. he's polling very, very well. but nikki haley actually blows trump out of the water. nikki haley would cause a massive crisis among democrats. and i believe that there are republican primary voters who want a winner. and they want to win big and i think that's a pitch you can make. >> have -- are you suggesting that some of the republican candidates should cede the ground to nikki haley? i think that is the thing that could happen. i think chris christie has no chance to win. i think at this point ron desantis has no chance to win. >> but they don't think that. >> well, i mean they must know that by now. i mean they must know that by now. >> certainly desantis is not going to get out before iowa. he has been here a long time. and i want to bring up another

element to this stew that we've got here and that is donald trump. he has something very interesting to say this week. i want to put it up on the screen. just out of the blue, he said, i don't want to terminate obama care, i want to replace it with much better health care, obama care sucks, and yes, all of the exclamation points and the capitals for those of the author. >> does it make any sense for donald trump to re-fight the obama care battle? >> it does, because christmas, he wants to give a gift to the christmas. >> it is christmas and he wanted to give a gift to the democrats and that's what he wanted. >> it literally doesn't matter. he is the nominee. and literally, unless he falls and breaks a hip. maybe he will fall and break a hip. >> i'm not discrediting the fact, but with things like this, this is the problem with donald trump, he is donald trump, he is always trying to fight the last battle. this is 2017, when he was defeated in congress, and mccain

gave him the thumbs down famously and trying to bring it back for reasons that are inexplicable because -- >> and getting him to mock this off, i would say we are coming out of thanksgiving, we're in a mode where we're reheating leftovers, and this is the re-heated leftovers of the republican party you blew up, donald trump, and repeal and replace, that pro-dates him. do not go back there. >> you are saying that you think it is a sure lover. >> at least in the general election context. i think health care is a relatively low priority for voters relative to economy, immigration, crime, but those are also the, the economy, i immigration, crime, republicans are doing well, only abortion is doing worse for republicans in terms of issues this. rhetoric will not help. >> his unique talent is the ability to discard statements like this.

by the time of the general election, we will run, as an absolute centrist and run on tariffs and a different set of issues and it will work. >> look at abortion. the guy who put three people in to overturn roe v. wade doesn't want to come within a mile of abortion. we'll see. as the fight for the white house plays out, congress' intense talks to aid to israel, aid to ukraine and border security is, there a deal to be made? then, hunter boyden on the offensive? -- hunter biden on the offensive, will his gambit pay off or hurt his dad's chance force a seconds term. and we have a look at the big christmas tree. and tell me why i'm wrong.

the war in israel is about to enter its third month, and while there were scenes of joy this week, as dozens of hostages returned home from gaza, the temporary truces that made those moments happen are not being replicated here in washington. lawmakers are battling over aid to israel. just as israeli leaders warn this war is far from over. >> there is no situation in which we don't return to fighting. >> a vow from israel's prime minister to keep fighting. as a different fight brews in washington. >> poison pills should have no part in aiding ukraine or sifting israel. >> democrat wants israel aid tied to support for ukraine as part of a broader deal. >> aid to israel. aid to ukraine. humanitarian assistance to help

victims in gaza and also the indo china. >> republicans counter the only way to back more money for ukraine is in turn for tougher security measures in our southern boarder. >> unless there is meaningful reform that secures our border, we're a hell no. >> a bipartisan group of senators is working on a compromise. >> nobody gets exactly what they want, so i'll have my base mad at me, they will have their base mad at them. >> some senate democrats say republican demand for securing the board remember going too far. >> i want to be very, very careful because there are people whose lives are at stake here. >> so, reihan, should aid to ukraine and israel be tied to tougher border enforcement measures that the republicans are demanding? >> i think there is a re coherent connection here, which is if you believe, as conservatives do, that you can't have a country without a border, you have ukraine trying to defend their borders and america defending their borders and there is a direct connection here and with regard to israel,

we're trying to get this right and trying to bring it together and we're trying to give joe biden a win, it is a huge opportunity for the president to take an issue that is a massive political vulnerability for him, off the table. >> lulu, you know, it was joe biden in his original proposal who linked together aid to israel, aid to ukraine, and more money for enforcement of the the border, so why are democrats squealing now at the idea that republicans are going to try to get everything they can on the border? >> because they're two separate issues. i don't see that there is a connection there. and neither does anybody else. the very idea that aid to ukraine is linked to something that is happening on our southern border are two very, very separate things. the reason the democrats initially did it is because they wanted to give something to the republicans, because it is proper for the democrats, because the democrats do want to secure the southern border despite what republicans say. however, these two issues are very, very separate and the things that republicans are demanding are way too much.

you know, the fact that allowing the dreamers to be thrown off the bus here, to, you know, all of these different ideas that the republicans, you know, it is not linked to the ukraine -- >> joe biden is making a terrible amazing. he literally has an opportunity for a major win that could demonstrate to a lot of voters, a lot of voters in swing states in the midwest who do not trust him, a lot of voters in cities like chicago and new york city that are being overwhelmed because of mismanagement in the crisis at the border. he can say to them, i care, this matters, just as much to me as these geopolitical crises burning elsewhere and think that is something that he badly needs and he is about to -- >> i want to jump into this. the bargaining here is fascinating. it was the democrats who said, all right, you're going to get border money, with israel and ukraine which a lot don't support, and then when the republicans said, okay, well, you know, we want tough border

enforcement, democrats want more than the democrats were offering, they said no, no, no that's for the dreamers, and republicans saying, no, no, you're getting that for ukraine. it is a different deal now. >> everything in washington always gets entangled with one another, because congress is so dysfunctional, and it is hard to move anything through. and so as soon as any piece of legislation starts to move, everybody starts to try to hang ornaments ton like a christmas tree. >> should they drop dreamers and return to ukraine. >> i think it is separately and it boggles the mind, these three things which are popular independently, significant majorities of americans want us to support ukraine, significant majorities of americans want us to support israel and a significant majority of americans want us to support the border. it boggles the mind to me that someone describing this as a poison pill, and there is nothing here that is politically poisonous. >> so why not lump them together and get it done? >> i agree. >> it is a gimme. this is a washington two-step. and even though it makes no sense, just do it. because it will get, you're

right, it will help biden -- >> we're forgetting, kara, the democrats, or the republicans are saying, look, the deal in effect is aid for ukraine, for tougher border enforcement, and now -- >> yes, i get it. >> the democrats are saying no, we want the dreamers. >> maybe they will get that. >> it would be nice to get that. >> we'll see. right? they're still negotiating. everyone needs a win here in some fashion. but one thing that is clear is they've got to get aid to ukraine and they got to get aid to israel and it is not by any means necessary, but they're going to have to deal. >> we're talking about the conditions that republicans are asking for, but what about the conditions that some progressive democrats are asking for. they're asking for conditions to be placed on aid to israel, that are all about restraining israel in its ability to defend itself. that is really dangerous conditionalitiy. >> human rights? >> you will legislate human rights in a u.s. appropriations bill as opposed to saying

support our allies? >> every single other country that receives military aid from the united states has to abide by a, you know, a legislation that looks at their human rights impact, and the human rights legacy of that country, and so israel has been exempt from that, from that for the entire time that all the aid has been given to them, but i have to say that there is a lot of questions being asked at this particular moment, when you see the amount of devastation of people being killed inside gaza -- >> there are questions -- >> the merits of it, i think that's a bridge too far, there is no way to get it lumped into this bill. i want to get back to the politics of this, that rihan had mentioned, kristen and what is the fact that the border is a big problem for joe biden. and there's a lot of question should he take -- i want to put up some numbers. encounters at the border in the last fiscal year were up 100% over 2019. as migrants flooded the northern

cities. a poll this month found 54% of democrats are very, or extremely concerned about border security. and so i understand, kristen, that left wing democrats are not going to like it, but in fact, wouldn't tougher border enforcement, in effect a crackdown is what the republicans are asking for, with the asylum and parole, would not benefit joe biden in his election campaign. >> it would absolutely take -- well, assuming this works and you actually began to see things becoming more manageable at the border, for sure, and i mean he ran four years ago on an argument, i am going to be bipartisan, i am going to try to pick wins if i can find them and any time you talk about infrastructure et cetera, here is an example of an issue that is high priority for a lot of voters. you look at the gait, the encounters at the border have not gone down like october, november, as they normally drop, it has not been. this is a crisis worthy of bipartisan action and joe biden should absolutely take the win on this. >> i was going to ask, kara,

should the white house declare victory here and say okay -- >> yes. >> aid for israel. aid for ukraine. and yes, you can help us do things -- >> yes. >> something is going to happen. that is absolutely going to happen. i think the rest is all performative noise. >> lulu, are you okay with a crackdown at the border which is tough for some democrats, especially in the left wing, to swallow but might help joe biden in november of -- >> i think the way we're discussing this is how it is going to help joe biden or help joe biden and help the democrats and ultimately, what is being proposed at the border, the border, i've been there many times, it is a very complicated place and the fact of the matter i think what is being discussed will not help, and it is comprehensive immigration reform which the republicans have refused to do up until now. >> going back 20 years. >> yes. >> to be discussed further. biden on capitol hill isn't too surprised, with this in, the

president's son, hunter, this week, offering to testify on the house gop investigation into his father. there's a "but" at the end of that sentence which makes all of the difference. we'll talk about it next.

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sometimes the best defense is a good offense. the president's embattled son hunter biden picking on house republicans this week, agreeing to testify in their impeachment inquiry, but only if it is in public. house republicans quick to reject the offer. calling for hunter to testify

first. >> no one is above the law. even if your last name is biden. our committee will first interview and depose witnesses. we of course welcome hunter biden because of a public hearing at a future date. >> kara, did hunter biden outsmart house republicans, and say sure i'll testify in public. >> yes, actually, because some of the appealing character, people get to see him for the first time rather than the cartoon and now they have to say no we don't want to see him, and after all this time, we have to see hunter biden. >> this is absolutely clownish. look, when president trump was being impeached, there was a deposition first. the january 6th investigations, there was a deposition first. there is a way that this is done in a thoughtful, responsible, professional way, and this is a stunt. it is nothing more than that. >> wait, wait, wait. i want to point out that even hard line republican senator

josh hawley, he seemed to go along with this idea, no one questions his credentials, let the guy testify in public. take a look. >> the american people have a right to see and evaluate themselves and when do you this stuff in private, what happens is there is inevitably bunches of leaks and so-and-so said this and so-and-so did this, and do it in public and let the public see, open the doors, so you can all report on it. >> omg. >> just open the doors. >> reihan? >> congratulations to senator hawley for creating an entire new way investigations are conducted, that is great news but this is an entirely reasonable request of republicans in congress. and look, by the way, make it public, that is going to come across as a clown, and someone who has been engaged in some pretty shady practices, that's fine, but this is a stunt. nothing more than that. >> it is a good stunt. and omg, i agree with josh hawley -- >> love to get you out there with hunter biden. >> let's see the campaign.

>> all of this is performative, performance, the entire thing and why shouldn't he do it? why shouldn't he do it? >> this is exactly -- >> this is for the social media -- >> even, you know, there's no smoking gun in this whole investigation, so far at least, that joe biden benefitted personally from hunter's business deals in china and ukraine, folks don't like it, take a look at this. look at this poll from october. 35%, that the president did something illegal, and 33%, including one-third of democrats, and joe biden did something unethical. lulu? how big of a drag is hunter biden on his dad's campaign? >> we should say there is no proof of this yet. they have been investigating for quite some time and there is no proof. >> proof of what? >> that he benefitted personally. >> i think he is a drachlgt he is like the relative that we all have in our family that we wish

we didn't have and has been up to some stuff, and you kind of put them in a corner at a party and we're kind of embarrassed. i mean, you know, hunter biden is no poster child here for good behavior. that said, it remains to be seen, has he done anything criminal? but it is a problem for joe biden that this, that his son's behavior and that his son has tried to use his father in these business deals, to sort of show that he has connections, and that he has power, that's going to hurt joe biden. >> and i think that hunter biden is in a real blind spot for the president, because he's family, because nobody wants to cast out somebody who they love dearly. >> and who has gone through a lot. >> there is an enormous amount of personal baggage and trauma there, but nevertheless, i think that whole poll you put on the screen, own a third of americans think that laws were broken, and so by prosecuting this as an impeachment trial and an investigation, they're trying to make the case, were there laws

broken. america is not there. but look at the huge numbers around unethical. and that's where people can say, you know, let the republicans look at how the biden crime family, over and over and over again. >> why can't we have, you know, with the trump family and the biden family, why can't we have people in office whose families are not -- >> you know, the other thing it does, money with the ethics issue, obviously we know the bidens are going to go, that biden is going to go after trump, on his very considerable ethical problems, and well now that the trump campaign has something to throw back. >> people will shout false equivalents all day long but the story is found so unsavory. you got paid how much money for doing what and you have what skills? and these are all questions that are not easily answerable by hunter biden whatsoever. >> kara, there was talk about the impeachment, and it looks like that the house majority, republicans, may vote to launch a formal impeachment inquiry next week. they have been doing it, but

just without any official majority, because they think it will put them in better stead in court, when they try to subpoena hunter, or whomever. let's assume that happens and they have the investigation. what do you think are the chances that this house will vote to impeach joe biden? >> zero. >> zero. >> zero. >> why? >> because it is a waste of time. they need to do it because they need to do it. but you know, hunter biden is a tail tale as old as time. i am old enough to remember billy carter. there has always been some presidential mess and trump has a pile in his own family. i do think with biden's issues, to push back a little bit more of the dad who loves his kid, blind spot, everybody has a kid like this, i think there is -- he's a liability. there is no question. he's got the drug problem. he's had the drug problem. i think there's no win here. but it's not a win for the republicans. >> reihan, what do you think

that the chances that the house in the end, after the inquiry, that they will find some way to get hunter to testify, whether it's in a closed deposition or in public, what are the chances that joe biden will be impeached? >> i agree with kara basically, and that the -- >> don't say -- >> the thing that really pains me, honestly, chris is, that republicans should be focusing on investigating the biden administration for the posture towards iran, that is something that i would love to see and been completely asleep at the switch with that. hunter, it's a joke. >> a subject to be discussed later. iran. when we come back, we'll discuss why it has been a rough year for the tsa. and 'tis the season for trees. we'll find out who in our group decorates a real or fake christmas tree. yea or nay is next.

time now to take a look at some of the stories a lot of people are talking about this week, as ask our group to give us their yeah or nay. first, a decision to go with a real christmas tree or a fake one. i will weigh in. there is clearly a right answer here. artificial christmas trees are clutter free. pre-decorated with lights. easy to set up. they last for years. plus, they won't pile up in a landfill after christmas like natural trees do. so i am a strong yea on fake christmas trees. lulu, am i wrong? >> you're so wrong. i'm like horrified that you have even taken this position. i don't think i can come back here again. christmas trees should be real.

we are going to go with my husband, this weekend, to try and cut down a christmas tree, at a farm, in the countryside. there's a whole thing. we will take a saw. >> we have the car. it is a whole thing. my daughter loves it. and the smell of pine in the house. it is a beautiful moment. >> all of those needles at the end of christmas? >> a pine candle as well. >> i'm sorry. >> real or fake christmas tree? >> absolutely fake. all the way. you get that same beautiful perfectly symmetrical tree. i have an amazing owl topper on my artificial tree. >> the lights are already on it. >> it never looks the same. >> plug it in. >> plug and play. >> it is reversed. it tends to be women who are more likely to say a real tree. >> well, i poll on everything. women are more likely to say they prefer artificial and moms in particular, three to one

margin who say artificial. >> i am from san francisco. i have both. >> >> i expect nothing less. >> all right. when most people think of the tsa, they usually think of long lines, and annoying security measures like taking off your shoes. but this week, the agency released its 2024 canine calendar, honoring tsa dogs working across the country and the cover went there to dina, a 3-year-old german short-haired pointer, who works at the las vegas airport. so kristen, yea or nay, to tsa's canine calendar and the idea of making a federal agency that is involved in airport security part of it? >> i'm all about it. anything involving dogs i'm all about it. i'm strong yes. and i think as somebody who -- i look at something like social media, with there is so much nastiness and i personally take it upon myself to post pictures of my dog once a day. because there is no such thing as too much cute dog content out

there in the world. >> i am going to move on to the next subject, because i know this is going to cause a lot of yeas and nays. finally, we know you can't always get what you want, but if you're a rolling stones fan, you can still get what you need. the legendary rock group announced a new tour next spring, 60 years, 60 years after their first time in the u.s. tickets went on sale this week and a sponsorship deal, aarp members get early access, which tells you something about their fan base and the band. here is mick jagger still rocking at 80. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ start me up ♪ >> reihan, do the stones still give you satisfaction? >> i have to say as a rolling stones were promoting moral tup

tude and corrupt dancing when teens and now in this age, it is a tragedy. >> what. >> you are totally on board with lulu. >> stop it. >> with the stones and aarp. >> i said, to quote when harry met sally, i'll have what they're having. this is them rocking out in their 70s and 80s and i think this is awesome, and i also think that aarp were geniuses to jump orn that bandwagon. this is what you want to show. a fightle sort of aging process. -- a vital sort of aging process. >> i'm all for vital aging processes. >> okay. up next, serious question, is the american dream dying? we discuss some concerning new numbers that have gone under the radar.

on the radar this week, the fading of america's national bargain. >> i came to this country with nothing. >> through risk and hard work, i made my own american dream come true. >> despite what you see in movies shall the long-held belief in the american dream that anyone in this country can make it, no matter their background, is apparently dying. according to a new poll by "the wall street journal," only about one in three americans still believe in it. that's a big drop from past surveys in 2012, 53% said they still believed in the american dream, and 48% said so in 2016,

so reihan, is the american dream dying? are people no longer able to make it, despite their background? >> i believe the american dream is alive and well in some parts of the country. but the big problem is placing where i'm from, new york city, coastal california, these are places where housing is so expensive and out of reach, especially for young people, that they feel like they can't get on those opening rungs of the ladder to success and it creates a lot of hopelessness and despair but folks who are moving to other more affordable places where they can build savings and build some wealth, that is a tragedy for places where i'm from but it shows that there is still some room for the american dream, we need to fix that in the big cities. >> are you, lulu, as qualified about the american dream as your colleague but do you think if you're working hard and play by the rules, you can make it, just not in some parts of the country? >> it broke my heart to see those numbers because i am an immigrant myself.

i became a citizen in 2017. my mother at 85, just became a citizen a month ago. so i know firsthand that many people come to this country with that dream, with the idea that they can make this country work for them. and so i do think that the american dream is still alive. and it makes me sad that americans in this country don't see the opportunities that they have here. >> have you polled on this, too? >> there are a lot of young people who feel like the american dream is either out of reach for them or they define it very differently. it is not the 2.5 kids, the white picket fence, et cetera, for a lot of young people, it is i want the ability to choose my own adventure and build the life i want, but they also feel like that's not possible, whether it is because of student loan debt, expensive housing, et cetera, a lot of conventional ways to build a life under that dream are no longer feeling accessible. >> that is not the cheery way to end the segment. >> the panel is back with the news before it is in the news.

hit me with your best shot after this quick break.

welcome back. it's time for our panel's special takes on what's happening, where predicts of what we should be looking out for. so kristen, hit me with your best shot. >> better news, chris, that this week, the trust barometer came out, a survey for a quarter of a century, they found that it costs 28 different countries, people's trust in all kinds of institutions is way, way down. people are not feeling cheerful,

not feeling like good about their futures, and while the u.s. is one of the most optimistic of what they call the developed countries, it's still, it's huge over the last year, a drop, in terms of sense of well-being and economic optimism. so we're still headed into a really tough moment. >> kara, your boy elon musk made a lot of news. >> not my boy. >> hit me with your best shot. >> i'm trying to say he is troubled, i think we all saw that, and i think we are saying that and he is deluded and he understands that if advertisers don't get an roi, they will turn to something else, but these advertisers are flying because of him, and we'll see. he is enabled by his ceo, and he keeps supporting this behavior. >> reihan, best shot? >> so a lot of folks, including lulu, believe that the republican nomination is all

sewed up, but outgoing governor of new hampshire, governor sununu will endorse nikki haley and that will have a huge effect. >> are you making a flat prediction? are you saying he is going to? >> it is very dangerous, but i'll do it. i will live dangerously, chris. he is going to do it. >> how much impact do you think, and i think you can play down endorsements, i know kim reynolds in iowa has endorsed desantis, how big is chris sununu in new hampshire? >> so republicans don't have folks like the democratic congressman jim clyburn who are really definitive, but i think that he is a rare game changer because this is about those independents, those cross-over voters who can make a huge difference. >> lulu, best? >> i'm dubbing this one seven brides for seven maggos, the "washington post" wrote, i think, a very ill-advised editorial, basically saying that women, young women in

particular, because they lean liberal, are refusing to marry across the aisle and so that is causing -- >> the political aisle. >> the political aisle. and that is causing an absolute crisis in the matrimonial prospects of this country, and that has, as you can imagine, created a bit of kerfuffle on the left, who, a wonderful article in slate, asked why, why should young liberal women be sort of lowering their standards. so i have to tell you, this made me think a lot about this country. we talked about the american dream. and i wanted to end on an optimistic note saying all should come together. >> all right. thank for coming here and spending some time us with. we'll see you right back here next week. hello,