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thanks for joining us. anderson starts now. >> tonight on 360, new word on how prosecutors plan to use the former president's embrace of january 6th defendants against limb in court. we'll talk about that and more with liz cheney whose new book has plenty to say about donald trump and the threat she believes he poses. also new reporting on how much longer israel might continue high intensity ground operations in gaza which today saw some of the heaviest fighting in the war. plus, what key voters in a key swing state have to say about their choices for 2024. jon king has our series of reports all over the map. good evening. our guests tonight here with me in studio is liz cheney. former wyoming republican congresswoman, vice chair of the house january 6th committee. our conversation comes at the end of a day that saw two potentially significant january 6th related developments. the first involving the evidence in the subversion case want jurors to see. the second on what mike johnson wants to keep americans from

seeing and soon to be released video of the attack on congress. my conversation with the congresswoman is going to start in a moment. first, the latest on both stories from paula. so, what are federal prosecutors in washington signaling tonight? >> they're giving us a preview of their case and exactly how they spend to use trump's words against him in a court of law. now, they're really going to emphasize how trump's continued support for those who attacked the capitol is evensidence of a conspiracy. they said trump quote continues to openly and proudly support individuals who criminally participated that day including by suggesting he will pardon them if re-elected. even as he has conceded he had the ability to influence their actions during the attack. they also say they want to show the jury things trump said in

the lead up to election day. including his refusal to denounce the extremist group the proud boys and his refusal to commit to a peaceful transition of power. they insist all of this is evidence of his intent to get his supporters like the proud boys to attack the capitol and undermine the results of the election when it didn't go his way. and interestingly, they're going to try to take it back to 2012 over a decade ago and show how trump has repeatedly tried to claim fraud when elections had outcomes he didn't like. and prosecutors say look, this laid the foundation for what he tried to do in 2020. now this is their plan but all of this has to be approved by a judge. >> what did speaker johnson say about the footage? >> this was interesting. he said he wants to release this footage in the interest of transparency but is insisting the faces of the people in the mob be blurred to quote protect them from the justice department. that's an odd thing to say

because federal investigators have the raw footage. they've used it to prosecute hundreds of people. now the speaker subsequently backtracked in a statement saying instead, he's trying to prevent all forms of retaliation from non government actors. again, online sleuths, the public, non government actors, have identified hundreds of people in that footage and the justice department has even asked for their help in identifying others. first, the speaker was actively involved in efforts to undermine the outcome of the election but he says he wants to release the footage so people can quote, do their own research on the capitol attack. >> thanks very much. joining us now is liz cheney. former member of the house republican leadership and someone who might easily still hold both titles tonight expect she stood up for democracy up to and including her role on the january 6th committee which set her apart from the former president.

her new blockbuster book out today is oath and honor. a memoir and warning. certainly speaks to the moment. thanks so much for being with us. this is not only a fascinating, terrifying book and a warning as you say, it is also a really well written, captivating story that just takes you from the f first pages and gallups you through the last many years of the dissent of our democracy. you write a lot about mike johnson in the book. when you were writing this, he wasn't the speaker. didn't know he was going to be the speaker. talk about this idea that he wants to blur the faces. what does that tell you? >> i think pfirst of all with tt to the videotape, the department of justice already has these tapes and i think we're experiencing a situation where the speaker, speaker johnson, is somehow attempting to suggest there's something in these tapes that would change the facts of what happened. there's nothing in the tapes

that can change the fact of what happened that day. that can change the violent assault. i have called on him to release the tapes. we need to make sure obviously that we protected security issues at the capitol, but at this point, what's happening, i don't know why he's dragging his feet after having proclaimed he's going to release them. >> also this idea of blurring the faces. seems like it's kabuki theatre that he's standing up to protect them when in fact it actually has no purpose. >> yeah and it's a perfect example of the lengths to which he will go. even in his rhetoric. he said to protect people from the department of justice. and at the same time, he proclaims that he is representing the quote rule of law party. so i think the game's got to stop and if he's going to release the tapes, he needs to release the tapes. >> he portrays himself as this

devout and earnest and thoughtful person. that is not, he seems like a slippery character in the pages of your book. the reality of him behind the scenes is very different. >> yeah. i certainly wouldn't question anybody's faith, but i, you know, knew him well. we were friends. we were elected at the same time. i believed him to be somebody who was honorable. but then sadly, i watched through the whole process first of the amicus brief that he pushed members of the house to sign on, which you know, was constitutionally infirm in the supreme court. >> let's talk about that. he spentent out a letter to mem of congress saying do this for president trump. >> right. >> and the arguments he was making according to you were, they just didn't, they weren't sound. >> he was claiming and telling members that the brief itself was just simply an effort to convince the courts to hear this

case. when in fact, the brief itself made serious charges alleged you know activity that was unconstitutional. alleged that people in the states had conducted themselves in ways that were unconstitutional and made these allegations even though courts across the country in each of these states had heard these facts and already determined what the brief was asserting was not true. i also think there are serious ethical problems. somebody who's a member of the bar asserting in front of the court facts known to them about which they don't have. >> he was also saying he was a constitutional scholar and that there was an implied threat in his brief. >> yeah. i heard from a number of our colleagues who said wait a minute, you know, he's taking down names and making a list for donald trump to look at. is this in fact a threat? he denied that it was but the activity continued into the objections over the electoral votes as well. i wasn't the only one who was raising a red flag about his

activities. kevin mccarthy's senior counsel was doing the same thing. she in fact said she had talked to him and he knew what he was doing didn't have any basis in the constitution. >> you write mike johnson and republican leaders have played a destructive role. he appeared especially susceptible to flattery from trump and aspired to be anywhere in trump's orbit. he was telling colleagues he was a constitutional law expert while advocating positions that were constitutionally infirm. do you believe he poses a threat to the integrity of the 2024 presidential election? >> i do think that if we come to a place where he's the speaker of the house where the republicans are the majority on january 6th of 2025, there are real questions about whether or not that majority will do what's required under the constitution. for example, if an election would be thrown into the house or even going through the process of counting electoral votes. >> an election could end up

going to the house where the house will determine you think the republicans in the house are not responsible enough to do what is right and legal. >> i think the lesson we've seen over the over the last couple of years is this dwgroup of electe republicans can't be counted on to defend the constitution. that's a very sad thing for me to say. a very dangerous place for the country to be. but that's what we've seen based on the actions of the last several years. >> what will get this fever dream among these republicans to stop and to go back to being a party that can wants to actually g govern and get stuff done? >> i think we have to have the majority of the american people who are not part of sort of this, the cult of personality around donald trump. there's a portion of the party that absolutely is not going to be convinced to move away from him, but it's a much smaller number than you know the vast majority of republicans, democrats, and independents

combined. and those of us who understand the danger have to be committed to working across party lines to protect against it. >> kevin mccarthy in the details that you have about mccarthy in this book, we reported last week that mccarthy told you that his trip down to mar-a-lago where he went to kiss the ring, was that trump was depressed and not eating. the former president has responded the other day saying he was angry and eating too much. you don't buy either of those explanations. >> you know, i didn't buy kevin's explanation. trump's maybe that's the first truth he's ever spoken, i don't know. but the bottom line is what mccarthy, what he was really doing was when big donors cut off donations to the republicans after the insurrection, he needed money and the only place he could get money was to go see trump and get access to his list

of donors. that meant going down there and helping him to begin to wipe away the stain of what he'd done. >> why do you think so many, lindsey graham who said he was done with trump, he's out that night then i remember somebody yelled at him in the airport on his way back down to south carolina then all of a sudden, he's playing golf with the former president. >> i don't understand it. i think there's a lot of years are going to be spent on psycho analysis of the number of members of my party. i think that the danger that we face though is that people are now willing to sort of accept these really extreme things that donald trump is claiming he'll do. we're not guessing about what he'll do. >> do you think, do they actually believe these lies? >> no. i think the number of people who believe the lies in elected office is very small. i think in the house republicans it's probably single digits. but you have a far larger group of people, some who have

determined they're going to be fully on board and aggressively sporting and enabling trump and a lot of others who said we're going to look the other way. that's really dangerous because then people around the country sort of start to say well it must not be that bad if you don't have that many republicans speaking out against it. >> your dad told you just before the joint session of congress on january 6th. >> i was in the cloak room off the house floor working on remarks i was going to give and he called me and asked if i was watching the speech and i said i wasn't. he told me trump said we have to get rid of liz cheneys of the world and he said to me, you're in danger. he said we need to talk about whether or not given that he's just done this, that he's just targeted you specifically, what that means for you going on to the house floor, speaking against the objections.

through the course of our conversation, it was clear we knew i couldn't not proceed because of this threat from donald trump. but that's a, you know, you can imagine sort of the emotion of the moment to have my dad calling me to say the president has just targeted me in a way that put me at risk. >> do you understand the bill barr, who has you know, was very loyal to the president while he was in office and then clearly has had a change of heart. and yet not saying categoringly that he would not vote for the former president. >> i guess i have a couple of views about that. i think there are a number of people including bill barr who were around the president, who stopped the president from doing far worse. bill barr certainly is one of the people who told the president repeatedly that what he was saying was untrue about fraud in the election and said it publicly. but i don't think that you can acknowledge and recognize the

facts in the mountain of evidence that points to what donald trump did. his direct involvement in attempting to seize power and overturn an election then turn around and say you would vote for him again. i think people have to come to grips with the facts that those are inconsistent and if you'd vote for him despite what he's done, you're helping him continue as a force in the politics of this nation and that's dangerous. >> we all see historical events, movies, and think how could there be people who would work for that government and do these things. there was a lot of people saying well, if trump ever got a second, who would work for a second term of donald trump? there are actually a lot of people. and some are very smart people who are willing to do this. that's a real danger. because they've learned from mistakes of the first administration and the first of

his first term and they know what to do now. >> right. and you won't have some of the good people to stop him. and you know, he said people like mike flynn will be the national security adviser potentially. jeff clark possibly the attorney general. >> mike flynn is selling t-shirts and making outrageous statements at conventions. >> right. >> those are the people who will be around him if he were to be elected again. the other thing that people have to realize is what it means if a president of the united states won't enforce the rulings of our courts and that is absolutely what he said he will do. he's gone to war with the rule of law. and a president who won't enforce the law creates a situation where things just unravel. and he will have people around him who will help him do it. he will i'm sure offer pardons to people if they're concerned about their own criminal liability. >> pardon january 6th? >> certainly. i think he's been very clear

repeatedly about his glorification of that day and again, that's a, you know, the republicans were almost unanimous in the days just after january 6th, recognizing you know, he bore responsibility and he had to be held accountable. very quickly though that began to dissipate. that unanimity and now we have an effort underway to whitewash it, including what you saw today from the speaker of the house. >> according to a report, he praised your powerful voice and said if trump wasn't running, not sure i'd be running. you haven't ruled o aut a third party run. you've also said you weren't going to do anything to help donald trump. if you were to determine your candidacy would take more votes away from trump than biden, would that be a catalyst to get into the race? >> i'm going to look at this through the lens of how do we stop donald trump.

on some level, it's not about me. what i'm going to do or not do. i look at it very much from the perspective of right now, absolutely have to keep our eye on the goal of stopping him. i think there's a huge amount of work to be done after this election cycle. whether it's rebuilding the republican party, which increasingly looks like you know, maybe an impossible task or helping to begin a new party that's very focused on what the republican party used to stand for before this cult of personality, but right now and in this election cycle, i'll do whatever i have to do to make sure donald trump's not elected. >> how concerned are you about third party candidates out there already? you've got -- >> look, i think that you know, we're at a moment where the possibility of a third party run is more something we have to consider more than we ever have before because of the threat that trump poses. but i also think we have to ensure that at some point, we're unified against him. it goes back to what we were

talking about before that it can't be a partisan issue. it has to be a situation where we say i don't care what your view is on this issue or that issue or whatever the big policy issue is. if you care about the constitution and you're going the defend it, we have to work and vote together for that. >> what do you say to the vast number of republicans who believe trump's messaging that it's joe biden who poses the greatest risk to democracy? >> i think the overwhelming majority of republicans understand that's disinformation, a lie. that's been sort of trump's method of operating. he knows that it is a real threat to his political success if people recognize that he himself is trying to unravel democracy. so i think he's projecting. trying to turn that around but i don't think it will work. >> you've also said you don't think trump would willingly leave office after a second term. you said if voters return him to the white house, there may not be any more elections to vote

in. the pushback is that that's alarmist, it's hyperbolic. there are institutional guardrails that would prevent that. >> i think it's naive and a real misreading of what we've lived through to think we can count on the guardrails we have in place. donald trump tried to seize power in 2020. he tried very hard. he put in place a multipart plan to ensure that you know, joe biden wasn't going to be certified rightfully as the president of the united states. so he's done it once. what we saw in 2020 was that it was the people. it was the fact that there were republicans at the state level who stopped him. there were people in his white house, the justice department, who stopped him. but he knows now you know, what to do. he's learned the lessons of 2020 and 2021. so i think anybody who says well, don't worry, you can count on the balance of power and the

institutions, that's really wishful thinking that we can't afford. >> we're six weeks away from the iowa caucuses. what is your message to voters going into this 2024 election? >> that whatever you do, whatever you think about you know, the possibilities that donald trump might prevent, he's not an acceptable option. alternative. i hope he is defeated in the primary but if not, we have to defeat him in the general and people need to take seriously and literally what he's saying, which is that he would in fact unravel our democracy, potentially terminate the constitution. it's a risk we can't take. >> liz cheney, thank you so much. congratulations. really just a, i don't want to say fun read, but it is a fascinating read. engrossing. thank you. >> appreciate it. >> the book's out today. already best-selling on amazon. oath and honor, a memoir and a warning. reaction next from the right and left and what was a heavy day of fighting in gaza, exclusive

reporting on how much longer u.s. officials expect such intensive ground operations to continue. we'll be right back.

in just a moment, public reaction to what liz cheney told me about the threat a second trump term poses to american democracy. first, i want to replay a portion of our conversation about republican lawmakers and what drives their continuing

support for the former president. >> do they actually believe these lies? >> no, i think the number of people who believe the lies in elected office is very small. i think in the house republicans it's probably single digits but you have a far larger group of people. some who have determined they're going to be fully on board and aggressively supporting and enabling trump and a lot of others who said we're going to look the other way. that's really dangerous because then people around the country sort of start to say well, it must not be that bad if you don't have that in republicans speaking out against it. >> part of my conversation with former republican congressman liz cheney. here now to talk about it, david, melissa. david is a former trump campaign and adviser. melissa is mentioned on page 221 of the new book. joining us from washington, former obama special adviser, van jones. first of all, melissa, what's your takeaway from what cheney

is saying? >> remarkable and timely. listen, congresswoman cheney had a front row seat to the lead up to january 6th. the day of on january 6th then the aftermath of congress stone walling and watching her republican colleagues, many her friends, flip in realtime on what they saw that day with their very eyes and what they said with their very mouths. she's a profile in courage and i think she's speaking in a moment where she said last night we are sleepwalking into dict dictate orship. i'm joined by his former secretary of defense, former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. his former national security adviser all says he says an existential threat to democracy and folks need to wake up. >> it's me against the world here, i think, right? listen, i -- look, congresswoman cheney has done a great job. good service to her country in her role. she's out selling books now and listen. i don't think it's an

existential threat. i think there are plenty of guardrails that are going to, that were in place the first administration. look at this. republicans held the senate, the house and white house and if trump was so omnipotent, we would have had a lot of things done. >> i could argue that was incompetence. >> so now he's going to become this uber -- >> he has learned some lessons. >> because respectfully, he knows how the federal government works now. he's building out a transition team. he's taking resumes based on people's loyalty to him. he understands and you know this. >> again, american foreign policy institute, heritage foundation, we saw both suzy and chris put out statements saying those groups are doing what they want to do. donald trump i know firsthand from the 2016 campaign when chris christie was running transition putting together a whole government exile, donald trump said to me, tell chris christie to stop. go work on the campaign. we'll do that later.

he put out a statement saying brooke rollins, all these great people working here, do what you're doing. that's great, but i'm going to put my team together. >> van, first of all, just want to play more of what liz cheney said about her former colleagues in congress. >> i think the lesson we've seen over the course of the last couple of years is that this group of elected republicans can't be counted on to defend the constitution and that's a very sad thing for me to say. it's a very dangerous place for the country to be, but that's what we've seen based on the actions of the last several years. >> van, it is extraordinary to hear liz cheney, a loyal republican, from a very conservative family, saying the republicans in the house cannot be trusted if the election was to end up in the house. >> i think we take it very, very seriously. i appreciate david's confidence. but also a couple of things. when you first start work ing i the white house, you spend the first week trying to find the

restroom. when you first get there, it's a hard thing to figure out. the white house is a black box inside a black box inside a black box. but every week you're there, you get a little bit better at your job. the reality is the last time donald trump ran, nobody thought he was going to win including donald trump. so he didn't -- he had a campaign staff. he didn't have a government in exile waiting. this time, he's been there before. done it before. he knows how they blocked him and stopped him. he's going to be a lot more effective if he gets there and last time he had republicans who were willing to stand up to him. at a local level. elected officials, et cetera. this party's been beaten and cowed over the past four years where i don't know if this thing gets to the house if you're going to have republicans who have been kowtowing who were suddenly going to stop and have a spine and stick up for the constitution on one day where for the past four or 500 days,

they haven't been. i'm very concerned. >> the first time around he was running allegedly on some issues. this time, he's running on retribution and that's, so if the goal is not to actually get stuff done and pull the levers of government to make it work. it's to like go after you know, some morning show hosts or something. you can do that. >> i would add i think he's running to stay out of jail. i think he's genuinely afraid of a federal conviction and he wants to pardon himself. i have so much respect for you and your friend, but we disagree so fundamentally on this. i sat in the oval office with donald trump when he said that a staffer who he believes leaked something should be executed. he's used that same rhetoric to talk about our friend, mark milley. this is not a person of sound mind and on day one, his administration has an executive order ready to go that will gut the federal workforce. i'm a conservative. i'd love to get rid of some excessive federal employees. he's talking about taking

subject matter experts and replacing them with loyalists who may be incompetent or dangerous in what they're trying to do. >> let's exhale for a second and remember there's a united states senate. advice and consent rule that people get nominated. then they have hearings. and that there will be a lot of acting people. >> you're putting your faith in the u.s. senate. >> the u.s. government. >> the u.s. government. the house. may not be a senator. the house, right. and the senate. they have functions of the american people. this is democracy. whether you like it or not. so congressman cheney, she's like banging on her elected dually elected, right, colleagues in the congress. they're put there by their c constituents, by americans. for some reason, americans like donald trump. they like the form of government he's provided. cheney -- >> i hope you're right but i

don't think that we should be as lackadaisical. democracies can fail. democracy is the most fragile form of government known to human beings. how do you know? we're the oldest one and we're barely a couple of hundred years old. what you've seen is time and time again, democratic republics have fallen apart. when that happens, if you love america, democracy, whether you're a democrat or republican, you've got to say holy crap, that is the same exact thing that took out over other democratic republic over the past 2,000 years. we've got to be careful. >> when you put it that way, van, the only thing i would add is you make a point about senate confirmation. so donald trump learned his last term if you want to get somebody as a cabinet secretary who can't get confirmation, you can put them as deputy then install them in acting capacity. but 180 days as cia director,

you can do a lot of damage. >> the jeffrey clark example, this person -- >> yeah, i mean, that, again, i keep coming back to we think, there's not enough people who would support this but there are. i wanted to say one more thing which is that we talk about those of us that went to college and stuff like that, we talk about this. democracy, democracy. what that means is your family could be hurt by this. somebody could say somebody that you know and all of a sudden, they get in trouble for just having a different point of view. we've never had that in america. >> happening today in schools across america. >> you've never had it from the department of justice at the direction of the president going after people. that could happen. in other words, this stuff, it

sounds abstract but for real people and you know this as well. when you talk to real people who come from countries where they've lost a democracy. people from iran, venezuela, they're shocked. they can't believe. because once this ball starts rolling, it gets bigger and faster. very, very hard to stop. so if the republican party is going to stand up, it would be good hearing that now because what liz cheney is saying having pulled the curtains back. she was there. is very, very frightening and it's worse now than it was then. >> thanks so much. just ahead, a cnn exclusive. u.s. officials now have an estimate of just how long they expect israel's ground invasion and ariel bombardments are expected to last. plus, what the next phase of the t b battle may look like. that's ahead.

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israel's military said today the fighting in gaza was quote the most intense day since the beginning of the ground operation. spokesmen say soldiers are going house to house saying they're finding in nearly building and house, weapons and many in houses, terrorists. cnn cannot independently confirm those claims with israel increasing its ariel bombardment, the idf said their forces are now the heart of gaza's second largest city. the top u.n. relief in gaza has called the situation apocalyptic. civilians had little to survive on. we'll have more on a moment but first, a cnn exclusive on how long the ground operation may last. what is the white house saying about this timeline for the war? >> well, anderson, as we are now

on the eve of the war entering its third month, senior administration officials tell cnn that they expect the current ground invasion that israel is conducting in southern gaza to last several weeks and that possibly by january we will get to the next phase of the war. this is a phase that would be lower in intensity and hyper localized in its strategy to take out individual hamas operatives and leaders. now, israel had said that a part of its major goal is to weaken hamas to such an extent that it couldn't ever repeat the type of attack we saw on october 7th. officials say they don't expect that goal to be achieved by the end of this year and what we're about to see is a longer term campaign. now, as we have been reporting, we know that u.s. officials have been warning israeli counterparts both in private and in public that they need to conduct its southern operations differently than what we saw in

the north. they have also been warning that the clock is basically ticking on israel being able to continue its current operations while maintaining a level of support from the international community that makes this current operation remotely tenable. >> does the white house think israel has listened to its advice? >> what's interesting is that in recent week, we have seen white house and u.s. officials increasingly talking about in public this idea that israel has heeded the u.s.' warnings about how it should conduct its military operations to limit civilian casualties. we saw the vice president talking about this on sunday. we have seen various senior officials using the words receptive but in reality, in private, this is not necessarily a consensus view here at the white house. one senior administration official told me that they actually wouldn't feel comfortable using the word receptive to describe this back and forth between u.s. and israeli officials but a part of what's going on here, anderson, is that the u.s. has always

believed it is better to quietly counsel israel and try to sort of avoid publicly criticizing any of its military operations or decisions. >> thanks very much. for more on the state of the fighting, which again according to the idf, was the most intense since the beginning of the ground innovavasion, we're joiny jeremy dimon in ashkelon. >> artillery and air strikes are continuing in northern gaza but the focus for the israeli military appears to be in southern gaza. the chief of staff saying the israeli forces are now encircling gaza's second largest city in southern gaza. we've seen israeli air strikes there, in rafah, as well as a city just north of hanunis. the result is that israeli forces could be on the brink of one of the most decisive battles of this war as they prepare to enter the city. but of course, civilians are

increasingly being caught in the cross fires once again. we are seeing hundreds of people who have been killed in recent strikes in southern gaza and civilians are also facing a very difficult choice. the israeli military has ordered the evacuation of swaths of southern gaza where hundreds of thousands of people live. but they're being pushed towards rafah, where the united nations and over aid agencies are warning that those areas are already overcrowded and underresourced and so people are facing a very difficult choice to head to those areas or instead, to remain where they are and take a risk, but of course as you know, anderson, nowhere in gaza appears to be safe. >> u.s. authorities have urged israel to minimize civilian casualties as fighting moves into southern gaza. what is israel doing or saying in response? >> well, they've been focusing on the evacuation warnings. dropping those leaflets urging people to evacuate and sharing the qr code with a map that

divided gaza up into hundreds of districts. the feasibility and effectiveness of those methods appears to be in serious question. there's not a lot of internet connectivity in gaza right now and people again are being told to move to areas where there's already overcrowding. 80% of gaza's civilian population is already internally displaced so people are just having to face impossible choices. >> thank you. coming up, a closer look at president biden's struggles with latino voters in nevada. jon king takes a deep dive into this must win state. part of his ongoing series, all over the map. we'll be right back.

president biden travels to las vegas friday on his way to the west coast. he'll deliver remarks in a key state that narrowly went for him three years ago and sided with the winning candidate in ten out of the last 11 presidential elections. winning nevada's large latino vote is going to be key. according to a poll last month, president biden is up only four points with latino voters 15% to 45%. jon king recently visited with latino voters in las vegas in our series, all over the map. so what did you find? >> we found what you saw in our

cnn poll that it's more competitive now among latino voters than it was in the last election. but the president has his work cut out for him. still a covid hangover in the state. a lot of anxiety over the economy. inflation, gas prices still bothering people and you have an emerging latino power and as these voters become more aware of their power, they're shopping. lunchtime in vegas and antonio munoz is happy to lay out the choices. more cautious though about a past choice. what about 2020? biden trump. >> 2020. >> i'll save that for today. >> you don't want to talk about that? >> no. >> why? >> why? because the nature of society right now. you know, we're a small business. and they will attack you. they'll attack you just because you support a certain candidate.

>> munoz started the 911 taco bar after a decade in the air force and 16 years as a vegas police officer. >> this was a dream of mine from the military, owning my own business. i've always had a love for food and tacos so i thought i could bring something special to the community. >> hispanics were a small slice of their population when munoz was a boy who admired reagan. more than 30% now. >> it's amazing the political power they're creating here in nevada. >> it's a state that's gone democrat in the last several presidential elections but if you look at it today, it's right there. >> 50/50. >> our vote has been taken for granted. >> a former democrat who worked for the teacher's union. now a republican with one defining issue. >> your son is how old? >> 6. >> and you won't send him to the public schools. >> i won't. >> why? >> because i worked with

hispanic families for 15 years here. i've seen it firsthand how teachers have classrooms that are overcrowded. they can barely get to them. i will vote for the candidate that supports my views. >> in 2020, that was donald trump with reservations. >> i will never condone racist comments towards many i comm myare overcrowded, i will vote for the candidate who supports my views in school choice. >> in 2020 it was donald trump with reservations. >> i will never condone racist comments against my community. i would love to see nikki haley. inflation and interest rates worries her. she's been selling homes for 26 years. her voting history tracks nevada's shift blue. democrat in the past for elections but sanchez is still a registered republican.

sanchez like the idea of lower taxes mixed with compassionate talk about immigrants. >> does that republican party exist anymore? >> it does not. i would love it to come back. >> sanchez has another haley fax. >> i think she could bring back the real republican feeling, the conservative everything that it used to be. >> so if it's trump and biden, you are for biden. if it were haley and biden. >> never trumper sanchez but she said some friends who voted biden in 2020 talk happened to the economy. there's no way . >> what do you say? >> i say don't, he's going to make things worse. >> to be in a job that long and still love it, it's awesome. >> padilla is a loyal democrat and volunteers and knows even a modest latino shift could turn

nevada republican in 2024. >> he has complaints that biden is too old or nostalgia for the pre-covid trump economy. >> you want somebody who is for the working-class people or somebody who is not for the working class people. as we get closer and people start getting more information and correct information, i think it'll be different. >> and early debates with friends including two sons, split between biden and trump, antonio munoz says do your homework and keep an open mind. >> people are confused, you know, there's no perfect candidate out there. >> would you put your money on trump and biden or will he be surprised? >> i think we are going to be

surprised. >> the odds, suggest otherwise. >> the pandemic continues to impact the state economy. >> there's this hangover effect. it standing when you go out to nevada. at the height of covid, so vibrate 20, the unemployment rate was 4.4%. april, two months later, it was over 30%. it's because of obviously tourism, hospitality industry, so if you take a body blow like that, 30% unemployment, yes most are back, unemployment is 5.4 but people still feel it, they are looking around and they say some people are still working part-time and then you have inflation, interest rates and other factors and some blame biden and some feel economic anxiety. several people said remember the economy was so good under trump, so they are confused, looking around, the biden campaign says give us a choice. but there's no question that the economic anxiety is hurting the president. >> what about other states that

have a big latino voting bloc? >> let's look at these other states. in arizona, 32% of the voters, georgia, it's only 10, pennsylvania 8% but trump improved his standing from 2016 to 2020. look at wisconsin, right, in the decimals, it's a point, that close, doesn't take much of a change to shift it. pennsylvania, a one point state, doesn't take much of a shift to move it. georgia, in the decimals right there, so it doesn't take much of a shift, either staying home are going to vote for trump same thing, not new mexico but the population there is big, look at arizona. so all of these battleground states where the latino vote could be the swing vote, it won't take much. he just needs to boost his

standing a little bit. >> we will be right back.

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