according to is the same source, there have been more than 8,000 migrant apprehensions in the del rio sector in the past three days, 3,000 on sunday, 5,000 in the past two days. one of the things that makes this area unique is that the rio grande is very dangerous here in maverick county. i want to take you to lukeville, arizona, because that area is a second epicenter, also seeing more than 2,000 migrant aphelpingses every single day and the challenge there for customs and border protection is the cartels, the smugglers are dropping off migrants in very desolate, rugged areas, creating a nightmare for transportation because then the migrants have to be transported to processing facilities. they are having to use atvs to transport some of those migrants. >> thank you very much for your reporting there at eagle pass, texas. and in moments we will be joined by the homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas to talk about the migrant spike and

encounters and much more. "cnn this morning" continues right now. under no circumstances you are promising america tonight you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody? >> except for day one. >> except for? >> except for day one. >> meaning in. >> i want to close the border and i want to drill -- >> that's -- >> he says you are not going to be a dictator, are you? no, no, no, other than day one. we are kpoes closing the border and drilling, drilling, drilling. after that i am not a dictator, okay? >> good morning, everyone. i'm poppy harlow with phil mattingly in new york. that was donald trump last night saying the quiet part outloud when he was put on the spot. >> for trump rhetoric on the campaign trail sparked a frenzy of headlines this week about

what he might do if he becomes president again. he danced around the question about abusing power. his ally ckash patel is talking about punishing enemies if there is a new trump term. this is a man who holds a senior role in trump's administration if trump wins. >> we will go out and find the conspirators not just in government but in the media, yes. we are going to come after the people in the media who lied about american citizens, who helped joe biden rig presidential elections, we are going to come after you. >> president biden has been sounding the alarm and says trump is determined to destroy american democracy. he apparently really surprised donors and some of his own campaign team at a fundraiser yesterday when he made this candid comment. let me read you the quote. folks, this is a big deal. this election, we have got to get it done, not because of me, and i mean that, if trump wasn't running, i am not sure i'd be running. it's that part. but we cannot let him win for

the sake of the country. >> reporters asked president biden to contextualize that comment when he returned to the white house. >> would you be running if president trump wasn't running? >> i expect so. look, he is runningnd a i have to run. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> no, not now. >> so how will trump's gop rivals respond on the debate stage tonight to his dictator for one day? he is skipping again. reality is none of them are remotely close no the polls. america is looking increasingly at a trump/biden rematch. could be, of course, major turn of events. have to see. that's where it stands? the polling. jeff zeleny is live in tuscaloosa, alabama, before the debate. the question is can nikki haley continue her momentum? >> reporter: good morning, phil. these debates have been a

springboard for nikki haley. we have seen one debate after another she has continued to rise in the polls and certainly drawn more interest from voters in the early voting states, iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, she has got be donors paying attention to her and believing in her candidacy. florida governor ron desantis is also front and center, center stage. he has receded a bit from debate to debate to debate. now is the moment for choosing. this is one of the big dynamics we are watching for tonight between nikki haley and florida governor ron desantis. don't forget new hampshire or former new jersey governor chris christie. excuse me. he is campaigning aggressively in new hampshire. is he a roadblock for nikki haley? what is their dynamic tonight? and vivek ramaswamy, the entrepreneur from ohio, has been a thorn in the side of nikki haley. he has been known to dust it up and really get in the middle of this. so look for these four to perhaps have one of their most contentious debates yet. but there is no doubt that nikki haley is going to try to use

this moment to really make the case for her generational change argument she has been making. the florida governor has everything on the line also. so that will be the biggest dynamic we are watching. the one driving this race, donald trump, he is not here, but you know he'll still be front and center in the conversation. >> i spoke with voters in iowa. again last debate before the iowa caucuses. i wonder what they told you? >> reporter: poppy, it's interesting. 40 days from now the iowa caucuses open the republican voting and december is often the month when undecided voters begin picking a side before the holidays. and that's what we found in our conversations. sally hoffman has been thinking and praying about the republican presidential race. >> i pray foe direction this country is going and i pray for the candidates. >> reporter: as candidates have descended on iowa, hoffman has watched with an open mind. when we first met earlier this

year, she had high praise for donald trump and curiosity for two of his rivals. >> i like what trump has done. to me it's huge to have three u.s. supreme court justices during his term. and that -- i am a big pro-life proponent. i like what nikki haley is doing. i like desantis, too. so in that range. >> reporter: now as republican hopefuls scramble for support six weeks before the iowa caucuses open the 2024 campaign hoffman is among those looking for a fresh start. >> i am thankful for what trump did when he was in office, but i have been a little bit disappointed in trump lately. i am just veering away from him and leaning towards desantis. he seems like a man who when he believes something he stands by it. >> reporter: as fall turns to winter in iowa, its a season of choosing. iowa or illinois residents? >> iowa. >> perfect. have you already filled out a card? >> reporter: a critical moment

for ron desantis and nikki haley to show that the republican primary is still a contest, not a coronation. >> i am very impressed with nikki haley. i just hope she gets the nomination. >> reporter: roger voted for trump, but believes his criminal cases are a distraction. >> whether he is guilty or not, i don't know. we will have to wait and see. but i just don't think he can be effective as leader of the country. >> reporter: there is little doubt trump remains a driving force in the campaign. >> we are going to win the iowa kauksz. >> reporter: he is in iowa again tonight, the second time in four days, to try to maintain his dominance. yet exhaustion with the former president once whispered easily comes alive in conversations with republicans. like karen, who also voted for trump, but so now weighing an alternative. what gives you pause about president trump? >> i think all this going on and

i think ron desantis is a little bit more solid and less drama, you know. just all the things that trump's going through. the courts. so unsure about that. i like ron desantis, what he stands for. >> reporter: the question is how many iowa arns are inclined to go against the grain of the trump controlled gop as they make their final decisions. >> i am looking to nikki haley and, of course, desantis, and vivek and trump if -- >> reporter: her laughter underscores the expressions of many republicans. a reluctance to be with trump now, but a pledge to be with him in the end. >> if he is the nominee, i will vote for him. >> reporter: that sentiment resonates on the hoffman farm outside cedar rapids where sally said she, too, will support trump if he is the party's choice. for now, he is not her choice and she hopes iowa can spark a new direction for the country. >> i think it's more of a wide

open race. >> reporter: wide open race? >> right. i think it won't surprise me if trump gets in. won't surprise me if he isn't the nominee. and i am just hoping that desantis might be the one. but i think it's more wide open. >> reporter: and these conversations are with people who voted for trump in most cases twice before. but they are looking for an alternative. so there is no doubt that the former president is still front and center and driving these conversations and focusing a lot on iowa. he was there again last night. that's where he made those dictator comments. iowa voters are paying attention to everything he is saying. that going to have an impact on the race? we shall see. he is stealing the show in some respect but certainly has not cleared the field. a reminder some voters are just tuning in. that's why he is there a lot and that's something to keep an eye on. >> jeff zeleny, thanks, buddy.

appreciate it. >> joining us former democratic congressional comment in new york liz whitner, former trump campaign advisor david irvin and our chief national correspondent john king. could we start there? jeff always says it better than i can. he is leading but field is still open. i botched it. >> i do think it is an open race. trump is around 42, 43% in iowa, 40% in new hampshire. that means he can be beat. somewhere in the vicinity of six to ten percent of republicans are looking around around. a lot of trump voters say i can for trump. if he is shown to be vulnerable, can somebody show him to be weak in iowa like barack obama did to hillary clinton? there is a possibility.

new hampshire loves being contrarian to iowa. if it's nikki haley, she goes home to south carolina. if you add up the haley vote, desantis vote, ramaswamy vote, you have a challenge to trump. throw in the christie vote, you can beat trump. does it consolidate? not yet. there is an opening there. >> to that point, this is always the case. i think this the nikki haley kind of theory of the case, right. something happens in new hampshire and you change the trajectory and people flood in who had been waiting for a permission structure to some degree. >> i think the old adage how you run the race, unopposed or scared, right. you run scared, you've got to run scared. the trump campaign is headed and run by people who are very serious and know this game. suzie whiels -- these are all veterans. they have done this before. they are going to spend a ton of time between now and january 15th in iowa, try to take the variables out to make it as firm

as possible there. look, as john said, there is an opening. new hampshire you have independents can vote, democrats can vote. going to south carolina, i think trump beats haley in south carolina even if she has a nice showing in new hampshire. but it could be, you know, you could come out of iowa, new hampshire, going to south carolina with much more of a two-horse race than a six or seven-horse race at that point. >> liz, how are you watching this as a democrat? we have seen some head-to-head matchups where nikki haley is a bigger problem for president biden than former president trump is. >> sure. i think just as a voter and american, i think would be great if we could wake up the day after aban election without existential fear. it would be fantastic if we could have two candidates that people could feel good about. thinking about the debate tonight, the four people on the stage, they all raised their hand when asked if they would support, you know, an eventual all trump nomination with the exception of chris christie.

>> i don't think christie did. >> he didn't. and desantis looked around and saw what other people were doing before he raised his hand. thing thing that strikes me is you have candidates who want to be the leader of the free world but won't take on the frontrunner in their current primary and i think that's really concerning. >> interesting, on, the contrast between that and the current president who views the stakes as enormous. the down sides of a trump victory as catastrophic. i think acknowledged what has been a through line of his entire last five or six years last night in a fundraiser as he always does, speaking candidly behind closed doors, drives me nuts. but in saying that he may not have run were it not for trump. but trump was there. trump was the reason he got in in 2019nd the reason he has done everything he's done in the last two and a half years. >> he said the quiet part outloud. he said he would be a transitional figure. and then he decided -- but he

views trump -- when he came back to the white house he was asked -- because it was at a fundraiser. he was asked -- he said would you get out? not now. that is the key part, not now, because the democratic calendar is a little bit different. 40 days to iowa, then new hampshire, then south carolina. if joe biden stepped aside now, he thinks the chaos would be too much in the democratic party. there are a lot of conversations when you travel with voters. are they both too old, time for a change? joe biden should not be starting another one of those conversations. >> not now maybe later, not now too late? >> too late. >> david, the dictator comments? >> i mean -- >> by trump? >> look, obviously, regrettable. if i had the president here i would shake him and say what the hell are you doing in. >> sean hannity almost did that on stage. >> he did that.

i told john this kind off stage. donald trump hates to have his arm twisted by sean hannity -- sean hannity's gonna make donald trump say i made a mistake. donald trump's not going to do that. it's not in his dna. >> he did make a mistake. >> i think 2016 my friend had a -- she coined a phrase which is widely reported use throughout the trump campaign. trump supporters take him, you know, seriously but not literally and detractors take hit literally but not seriously. in this case, a little bit more of the same but not helped by folks like kash patel and steve bannon who are far worse -- >> can you talk about what kash patel said? he had a big role, former counter terrorism advisor on the national security council. would likely -- in the trump administration if he wins? he says we will go out andd the conspirators, not just in

government, but the media. we are coming after the people in the media who lied about the american -- >> it's outrageous to say those things. it's not helpful. it's outrageous. the only person that can beat donald trump in this race is donald trump in saying those kinds of things. that may appeal to a certain segment of the primary electorate. won't help you win voters in maccomb county or bucks county or montgomery county. >> one sentence on truth social to quiet this. he does not speak for me. have you seen that? >> no. >> no, because -- >> i'm -- on hannity last night saying, yeah, day one i will be a dictator. and i think that you are right to be concerned. it's a very scary time. i genuinely worry if people go to voting booth in november and cast their vote for trump, that might be the last vote they cast. attacks on the media. attacks on people who disagree. i think that we are in great

danger. i'm worried not only for this country, because i think it was -- i'm going to quote ronald reagan. but freedom is one generation away from extinction, and that is genuinely true. and when you think about attacks on the knmedia and going after enemy and jailing people who disagree with you, we could be in a very dark place. >> like what liz cheney is saying coming from a democrat. another list. thank you all. appreciate it, david, john, liz. okay. president biden sitting down with our own anderson cooper for a one-of-a-kind conversation on grief. anderson next with the latest episode of the all there is podcast. the fbi director with a stark warning about terror threats in the united states. he seize blinking red lights everywhere. the homeland security ser tear joins us for an interview about what is done to keep americans safe.

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♪ welcome back. this morning arizona and texas are seeing a spike in border crossings as the country faces a continuing and growing migrant surge and the u.s. border patrol rewleesing video of a rescue of a migrant drowning in texas. agents observed a guatemalan man struggling, an agent pulled a man out, the agency says, tended to him. he didn't need additional medical care and is okay thank goodness. this comes as border security and immigration reform are at the center of fighting congress

over funding wars overseas. today the sfit is set to hold a critical test vote on president biden's $100 billion supplemental national security package and that includes additional funds for both israel and ukraine. the white house warning that ukraine funding is almost gone and that delaying it could hand a victory to putin. rz republican senators vowing to vote against it unless includes big border policy changes. they say the aid package is an opportunity to force the biden administration to deal with the border crisis. >> this has been a point of contention for many years. the biden administration has been unwilling to do anything about it, and i think we now have an opportunity to hold their feet to the fire. >> joining us is homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas. mr. secretary, i am so glad you are with us this morning. let's begin with what john cornyn said there. why is this not the moment to deal with the crisis at the

border? >> poppy, thank you for having me. let me make this perfectly clear. the immigration system has been broken for deck and our department of homeland security has been underfunded for years and years. and president biden has addressed both issues with strength from day one. on the first day of his administration, he presented congress with legislation to fix our immigration system, and we have submitted to congress a supplemental funding bill that will resource our department. the heroic border patrol agents that you displayed just a few minutes ago, to fund them as they need to address what is an unprecedented level of migration not only at our southern border, not only in the western hemisphere, but throughout the world. >> address with strength is what you say the president and this administration are doing, but even his surrogate, illinois governor j.b. pritzker does not feel that in illinois. listen to this from october.

>> we were very clear in our communication with the white house that what we need is logistical support, that is, help deciding where these folks ought to go because they can't all go to chicago. seems like now is the moment to talk about border security and immigration reform. >> and then he wrote this, the federal government must st abdicating responsibilities once they release migrants to the interior of the country. sounds like one of the president's biggest supporters says we need help now from the biden administration. >> well, with respect to governor pritzker, with whom i communicate on a regular basis, we have provided him with tremendous assistance not just financially through our shelter in services program, funding that the president achieved, but also in providing technical advice. let's get to the root of what

governor pritzker's challenge is, is that we have another governor in another state that is not cooperating and coordinating with either federal or other local authorities and is unilaterally sending migrants to cities in what i think is an abdication of governance responsibility. >> you are talking about greg abbott? >> i am indeed. >> this also, though, from katie hobbs, the governor of arizona, just this week. listen. >> we need the federal government to act and provide more resources. we have been clear about that, consistently. this is a bad decision that impacts our border security, it hurts our economy because it's putting a damper on trade and tourism. >> she is a democrat. also a letter to the white house from five democratic mayors of denver, new york, los angeles, chicago, and houston saying they need resources far beyond the 14

billion that the president proposed in the supplemental. will the president be going back to the southern border to see more of the crisis with his own eyes? >> poppy, what these governors are speaking of is precisely what the president has sought to address and why we need congress to act. we do, indeed, need additional resources. the department of homeland security needs additional resources. the department of justice for additional immigration judges. the state department for appropriate funding of our refugee programs and the efforts that we have in the international arena so we need congress to act. we have sought additional funding, not just for the federal government, but for these cities to be able to deal with what is an unprecedented situation, not just domestically, but internationally. >> mr. secretary, to the point of needing congress to act, what senate republicans are pushing for right now is very similar to

hr 2 which passed the house the security the border act. to maim a couple of things in it, restart construction on the border wall, increase the number of border patrol agents, limit asylum, narrow the president's parole powers. why is that unpalatable to the administration? >> i would say two things. one, we presented proposals that address the situation that provide real practical solutions, and also do not do violence to our fundamental values. we are a country of refuge. we do have asylum laws. we do have refugee laws. we abide by our international obligations that are longstanding. and so that is my response to that. some of the proposals are reasonable and worthy of discussion. others are, frankly, not. >> let's turn to this stark warning from fbi director christopher wray yesterday.

he warned the israel/hamas war raised the threat of a terror attack on the united states a, quote, whole other level. here is what he said to lawmakers. >> i have never seen a time where all of the threats or so many threats are all elevated all at exactly the same time. that's what makes this environment that we are in now so fraught. >> would you say there is multiple blinking red lights out there? >> i see blinking lights everywhere i turn. >> that's very scary, especially when you think back to 9/11. is this threat level unprecedented, mr. secretary? >> poppy, we are in a heightened threat environment. we work very closely hand in glove with the federal bureau of investigation, with our federal partners throughout the administration, including the intelligence community, and critically with state, local law enforcement as well. we are definitely in a

heightened threat environment and we are proceeding with vigilance. >> are you seeing blinking red lights everywhere you turn? to hear that from the fbi director is a big deal. >> i am. i am. and we have seen episodes of violence in this country that speak tragically to that reality. we are also doing something about it. we are sharing information with the private sector, with the general public. just today we are publishing guidelines for faith-based institutions and communities across this country that really describe practical steps that they can take to be alert to the threat environment and to respond with accessible protective measures. >> secretary mayorkas, to that point, if you could speak in detail about that. we heard director wray talk about the troubling trend, his words, of the increased antisemitic threats and attacks. specifically, what will this

initiative and document you are giving to churches, synagogues, mosque, other houses of worship, what is it telling them to do to help protect them? >> it's very, very practical, accessible advice. develop a security plan. put an individual or a committee in charge of security. understand one's surroundings. really identify what one's resources are available to you that one could deploy to enhance the security of one's institution, and then we make actually explicit recommendations with respect to how to increase one's security, whether it's hiring a security guard, building fencing, installing cameras, making sure one's congregation is alert to the threat environment. one has relationships with local law enforcement, et cetera.

we lay out quite a number of measures thattane constitutions of different capabilities and resources can employ to make themselves feel safe. we believe that people need to be free to practice their faith and be safe in doing so. that is a fundamental principle on which our country stands. >> yeah, no question about it. and a sad reality that all of this increased protection is needed for people to do that. homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, poppy. the israeli military launching more than 250 airstrikes targeting hamas cells and terrorists. conditions in gaza remain, quote, apocalyptic. former republican congresswoman liz cheney floating the idea maybe of a third party presidential run. does america want her to run? harry enten has the numbers next. my sport propels me forwa.

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trump from returning to the white house. she also floated the idea of a third-party run. would americans support her? let's ask the expert. harry enten. a lot of people thinking about it. how do americans feel about liz cheney? >> we are in a great country where someone could have the second worst defeat in a house primary in the last 60 years and potentially float themselves as a third-party candidate two years later. she lost by 37 in the wyoming house primary, the second worst defeat in the last 60 years in the house primary. let's look nationally. national views of liz cheney last year, a tremendous gap. she is popular among democrats, 62% favorable rating. among republicans, of course, a former republican congresswoman, 12%. this is something we have seen in the polls over and over.

despite her gop affiliation she is better liked by democrats. >> slide number one, which is cold-blooded to lay that out in detail. how do americans feel about a potential third-party liz cheney run? >> this was asked earlier this year. we don't have polling up to date. according to liz cheney third-party bid for president, very large partisan flit. 15% of democrats say they support it versus 8% of republicans. and this i think is one of the things i think joe biden might be worried about heading into 2024. third-party candidates poll better among, declared potential candidates, democrats, cheney, stein, west, poll better among democrats. >> this could be an issue for biden going forward if cheney decides to run. >> thank you. now to our morning moment and a heartwarming scene outside a school in israel. look at that. that is freed israeli hostage amelia returning to kindergarten

for the first time after being held in gaza for seven weeks. you can see a huge smile on the 5-year-old's face as she arrives. >> she is eagerly embraced by friends and teachers, everyone gathered around her, offered her -- she and her mother were taken hostage visiting family at the nir oz kibbutz. well, every one of us has to deal with grief, including the president of the united states. joe biden sat down with anderson cooper for his podcast "all there is" to discuss how he handles grief. anderson joins us next. morning moment brought to you by the farmers dog. realal frereshpet foodod delivi. lolong live dodogs.

president biden and cnn's own anderson cooper have both been uniquely open about the personal tragedies that have

forever shaped their lives. the president joins anderson for the second episode of the new season of the "all there is" podcast. biden talking the great losses of his life and how he copes with grief today. you can download and listen to this episode right now wherever you get your podcasts. here is a preview. >> reporter: a few days before i spoke with president biden i was going through a box of stuff in my basement that belong today my brother carter. he died by suicide when he was 23. i don't have lot of pictures of my brother on display in my house. his death is still so painful tof me that i find it hard to see his photos. these pictures really stunned me. they were taken shortly before carter graduated from princeton in 1987. he looked so young and happy. there is no hint that 15 months after this picture was taken he'd kill himself in front of our mom. looking at these photos, i don't

recognize my brother. and i realized i don't think i ever really knew him. i didn't allow myself to. and i didn't allow him to know me. when our dad died, carter was 12 and i was 10, and it slapped us both into silence. we never spoke about my dad with each other or with anyone. i think my brother would be alive if we had. why is it so hard to talk about loss and grief? we all go through it, so why do we keep it hidden away, crying in private, speak the names of our loved ones in hush whispers only we can hear. that's why i wanted to talk with president biden. he has been more public about grief than any american president in history, and this is his most personal interview yet. do you ever still feel overwhelmed by grief? >> i do as relates to my son bo. god willing i'm going to see him again.

>> reporter: beau biden died in 2019. his first wife died in a car crash with their 13-month-old daughter naomi. >> i found myself spending a lot of time, what could i have done, was it my fault this happened? what could i have done differently? >> reporter: the interview is deeply revealing. the most powerful man in the world talking about the private pain he still feels. >> the boxes never opened, a scrapbook, and there was a picture of the car. i took it downstairs and i burned it. i could not, could not -- i don't want to know the details. >> reporter: grief doesn't go away, but we can learn to live with it and learn from it, and like president biden, find purpose beyond the pain. the second episode of season 2,

a president's grief, is available wherever you listen to podcasts. >> and anderson cooper joins us now. also joined by cnn contributor, the author of the biography of joe biden. good morning. >> good morning. >> that line where you said you and your brother never talked about that grief and you think he would be alive now? >> i do think that, yeah. i think talking about it is -- i think talking about it's so hard, especially for children, and i think the ripple effects of not talking about it are incredibly damaging, and it's something i have lived with my entire life. just now am sort of dealing with it. i certainly think it contributed to my brother's sense of loneliness and isolation and depression. >> evan, i was telling anderson before we came back, i was struck in the episode -- i feel like i have heard every story from biden in covering him for the last two and a half years, and grief and how he reacted to

grieve is a large part of his story. i learned a lo from this conversation. which i think gets to -- this conversation which cites your biography, anderson does, in the conversation. can you explain to people how this has driven the president to where he is now? >> yeah, i'll tell you, i learned things from this conversation, too. amazing. here we are half a century after this began for joe biden and there are dimensions of his experience that we are still learning and that we should learn and must learn in some ways when we talk about presidents, there are touchstones. if you can't understand fdr without understanding the role that polio lplayed in his life, lbj, the role withtectexas and . for joe biden it is grief. he brings it into the public square that's very rare for people at the apex of our politics. for joe biden, if you don't understand what grief means to him, you don't understand his views on suffering, on work, on

purpose, on the presidency itself. this is essential to who he is and we're right to learn about it. >> you also learned a lot about the president and about the presidency and loss and grief. president biden came out in a way to ythat no president has spoken about their grief. >> yeah, i don't think there has been a sitting president who has agreed to sit down and talk about the personal losses in his own life and the grief which he still feels today. i look back at the comments, you know, more than 15 american presidents lost children. i mean, john adams, john quincy adams lost four children. thomas jefferson lost four. john f. kennedy lost a child while in the white house, a son named patrick who only lived 39 days. rarely did they talk about it publicly. certainly, you know, president george h.w. bush lost a daughter, robyn, to leukemia in 1953. he and barbara bush talked about it more after they had left the white house in later years.

but he kept a photo of robyn, according to his son, on his desk his entire life. i think it's so important for the most powerful man on the planet to talk about this, and i hope it encourages other people to talk about it in their own lives. >> you talk about finding purpose in the pain. >> yeah, the idea of finding purpose beyond pain and that's, i think, very important for president biden in terms of helping him live with this and live through this. you know, he had the purpose in 1972 of he had two little boys who needed his -- who needed their dad. and finding the purpose in beau's death. that was something that beau biden spoke to president biden about before he died, not taking himself out of the mainstream of life. >> and becoming the genesis of biden's book promise me dad.

evan, to that point, the difference between how the president is with his loss, his first loss from his family and beau, you could hear it and him talking about beau and the clip from anderson's show. how do you think that kind of informs how he operates? he ope? >> yeah, it is quite a remarkable momen, hearing how raw this is for president biden. here we are eight years after the death of beau biden and it is a present piece of his life on a daily basis. he talks about the need for what he describes as constant contact with his surviving children, his son, his daughter and with his grandchildren. after the death of his wife and his daughter in 1972, he came to rely on a few key things, one was staying as close as he possibly could to his family. the other one was coming to believe in his own irish roots. you know, he carries with him today a rosary in his pocket not just any rosary, but a rosary that was of the kind that irish prisoners had in prison because, as he says, i draw solace from

knowing what the irish have endured and what they have overcome. >> yeah, i found it amazing that he took out this rosary. i had seen the rosary he wears, the virgin of guadalupe around his wrist which belonged to his son. i did not realize he had this other rosary in his pocket, i'm not sure if he carries it with him at all times but he had it during this interview. he said i think i'm going to reveal myself here, i had to look up what a prisoner's rosary was, i was unaware of. >> thank you so much. you should listen today, the qr code on the screen "all there is" is out today and evan osnos, thank you for joining us. exclusive new cnn reporting on the election interference days chaos in georgia, who prosecutors added on their witness list in the case against presidenent donald t trump. >> next houour ceosos of ame largest t banks willll testify capitotol hill.

all right. here are the five things to know for this wednesday, december 6th. the israeli military says it is carrying out an intense operation still across gaza launching more than 250 air strikes targeting hamas cells and terrorists. and a cnn exclusive mike pence could be taking the stand when donald trump goes on trial in georgia for trying to overturn the 2020 owe election. next hour the ceos of america's largest banks will be on capitol hill following the regional banking crisis earlier this year. today a crucial ntsb summit to focus on the mental well-being of pirates. taylor swift going from anti-hero to "time magazine" person of the year. the megastar saying, quote, this is the proudest and happiest i have ever felt. those are your five things to know this morning.

and we close with some sad news into cnn. legendary screen writer and producer norman lear has passed away at the age of 101. he created iconic shows such as "all in the family" and "the jeffersons". much more on his life comingng . "c"cnn news cecentral" statarts this brereak.

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