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donald trump expected back in a new york city courtroom this morning while he prepares to be the final star witness in
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his own defense. >> this is his first chance to comment on the debate last night. the latest one he skipped. we're getting new reporting on what the campaigns themselves and key insiders think might have changed after that performance. >> and gun fire on a college campus. three people killed. one in the hospital still. the community of unlv completely shaken. what we're learning -- starting to learn about the suspect. i'm kate bolduan with sara sidner and john berman. this is cnn "news central." you are looking at live pictures of new york city outside the courtroom there. any minute now donald trump is expected to leave trump tower and head to court to attend his civil business fraud trial. the former president is also expected to take the stand again on monday as the last defense
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witness. trump and his sons were already found liable in the $250 million lawsuit brought by the new york ag. this trial is being held to find out exactly how much they will have to pay in damages. cnn's kara a nell is outside the courtroom for us. what can we expect to hear today and why is donald trump going today? >> good morning, sara. so this will be donald trump's ninth appearance at the civil fraud trial where he's askused of inflating the value of his properties to get better rates on bank loans and insurance. he has not attended the trial in a month the last time he was on the stand is when he was testifying. he will be here today and hear the final expert witnesses, going to be a professor of accounting from new york university, part of trump's defense is that the values they came up with for the properties all complied with accounting
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rules. so he'll be here to listen to this testimony, important testimony to his defense because they're saying there was no intent to do anything wrong, no intent to inflate the value of these assets. it's interesting he's coming today because the gag order in this case that prevents him from making any comments about the judge's staff is still in place. and one of the last time trump was here he violated the gag order by statements he made in the hallway. he will be here. did not participate in the gop debate last night. as you noted, this case is wrapping up, trump will be the final witness when he takes the stand in his own defense on monday. from there this will go quiet for a while. this case is before a judge. he will then hear arguments on this in january and then make a decision on the final outcome of this case early next year. sara.
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>> kara, thank you for the details. as you know, john, the debate happened last night and donald trump can say plenty of things when he goes into court we should probably expect that. >> that's a good point. there's a political reason for donald trump to show up today, there are microphones there and this is his first chance to comment on the debate last night but there are also reasons for him to be there legally. with us is ellie honing. let's leave the politics aside. legally this is a few days before trump himself will take the stand for the defense. what does that mean, and what might we see? >> john, i think donald trump if we get to the substance of the case is going to try to make a couple points. first of all i think he's going to extol the virtues of the trump organization, and i think that goes to the damages point that kara mentioned.
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remember, letitia james is seeking $250 million and seeking to put this business out of business for good. i think this goes to his lawyer's argument you should not do that, that's not a good thing for the taxpayers of people of new york more broadly. i think we'll have donald trump try to lend support to the no victim, that the banks making loans were happy to make the loans. they didn't rely heavy on the numbers the trump organization submitted not only did they make the loans willingly, they got repaid and so trump will argue there are no victims here and they shouldn't be held accountable for the outstanding counts. >> we saw trump on the stand before, he was a witness for the state and during that time there were fireworks, back and forth between the judge and trump. how much do you think we'll see this time? >> we will see fireworks, i feel
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safe predicting that. know that the order here, the procedure is going to be reversed. because this time his own lawyers, his defense lawyers are putting him on the stand. meaning, the first thing we're going to see is direct examination, trump being questioned by his own lawyers, that will probably be more friendly than the other way around. but when they're done, the ag's office will have a chance to cross-examine donald trump. donald trump is inherently unpredictable but the procedural order is reversed from last time. >> the gag order is still in place, what impact will that have? again as we're waiting for donald trump to arrive there, in terms of framing or maybe guardrailing what he can say there and inside court. >> important to keep in mind, john, this is a very, very narrow gag order that's now been reviewed by the appellate court and upheld. it should be the easiest thing
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in the world to comply with the gag order, all donald trump has to do is not comment about the court staff, clerks, deputies. he's free under the gag order to comment about the judge, the ag's office, the merits of the case against him. as long as he can restrain himself from making comments about the clerks and the deputies, he won't get in any trouble with the gag order. whether he can do that, i won't vouch for it, he's gone back to that sore spot over and over. we'll see if he continues to press his luck today or monday. >> kara noted the judge will rule on this case in january, the judge has already ruled on the corporation, finding the trump organization liable for fraud. what key evidence have we heard may sway him one way or the other? >> it's important to understand. there are seven causes of action
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here. in a criminal case we would call them counts. in a civil case they're causes of action. the judge has ruled for the ag and against donald trump on first of those causes of action for repetitive and persistent fraud. but there are six other outstanding remaining causes of action. so the judge will have to render verdicts for or against donald trump or the age on those six remaining causes of action. also the judge will decide the key causes of damage and that's two different ideas. first of all, how much money does trump and the trump organization have to pay? the ag seeking $250 million, the judge can award that much or less in his discretion. and then the question of what happens to the trump organization's business certificates, which are necessary for it to continue conducting business? the judge can suspend those, he can revoke those or decide not to. those are the issues still in place, still important issues for the judge to resolve. >> we did see some cars moving around trump tower so it's
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possible that donald trump headed down to the courthouse shortly again. we could hear from him in front of the microphones, it could be a political moment, not about this trial itself but about last night's debate. we'll wait to see about that. on a separate matter, the house has called hunter biden to testify in the impeachment inq inquiry. hunter biden said he would testify publically but not behind closed doors. now house republicans say they'll move to hold him in contempt. talk to us about this, how difficult that might be for them to win. >> so james comer, the house oversight committee chair republican party has really gotten played here. he's played himself into a corner. let me explain how. james comer serves the subpoena on hunter biden saying we demand your testimony but behind closed doors, confidentially not in front of the public. hunter biden and his team, i
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think smartly, respond he's happy to testify but in public for everyone to see on camera. and representative comer then responds and says no, i don't want you testifying publically. i only want you confidentially. who has something to hide here? now comer saying, if you don't testify privately, i might hold you in contempt. representative comer and the house of representatives do have the power to hold hunter biden in contempt. it will take a majority of the full house. if that happens it goes to doj, which will decide whether or not to prosecute the case for contempt. we've seen steve bannon, peter n navaro prosecuted. there's zero percent chance the doj will prosecute when the person is i 100% will testify
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publically. it's symbolic, that's all. we should note we are waiting for donald trump's arrival at this courthouse in new york city. waiting to hear what he says not just about the case, where he's been found liable for fraud and also the debate last night, the first chance to comment on the debate he skipped. >> that's right. coming up also, new word on the possible motive of the man who opened fire on the unlv campus. three people murdered, another still in the hospital. another unlv student who was there, is our guest. and nikki haley swatted down vivek ramaswamy, and ron desantis. chris christie alone in taking on the front runner. last night's debate and what it means in the republican primary. we're getting new evidence of five hamas command ers that
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israel says they have killed. we'll be back.
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happening now, donald trump is on the move. we saw his motorcade leave trump tower and any minute he will arrive at this courthouse in manhattan for his $250 million civil fraud trial where he's already been found liable for fraud. if trump holds true to form, he will make a campaign speech on the way in. this will be his first chance to comment publically about the debate he did not attend last night where his main opponents largely ignored him. there are now just 39 days to go until iowa. according to the latest national poll donald trump is ahead of his rivals by 40 points. the question now are we seeing new evidence this morning that
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anything in the latest debate did anything to change that? did vivek ramaswamy espousing fringe conspiracy theories do anything to change that. did ron desantis and nikki haley going back and forth do anything to change that? did the few tempered and hedged mentions of trump, except for chris christie, do anything to change that? >> do i think he was kidding when he said he was a dig cater. all you have to do is look at the history. his conduct is unacceptable. he's unfit. >> it's not a job for somebody pushing 80. we need somebody that's younger. >> you can't defeat democrat chaos with republican chaos and that's what donald trump gives us. >> we have fresh reaction to all of this this morning jeff zeleny is in tuscaloosa. jeff, picking up the pieces for us, what are you hearing? >> reporter: john, good morning. you almost need a ven diagram to
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go through the alliances and attacks that were flying last night but one thing was clear, nikki haley, the former south carolina governor was at the center of the majority of the attacks. particularly from florida governor ron desantis. of course she is in his way. she has had a rise in the previous debates over the fall months and now last night she receded a bit from that, her advisers say by design. but look at the criticism levelled at her from around the rim. >> the only person more fascist than the biden regime now is nikki haley. i don't have a woman problem you have a corruption problem. that's what people need to know. nikki is corrupt. >> she caves any time the left comes after her. she will cave to the donors. >> he's mad because those wall street donors used to support him now they support me. i love all the attention, fellas, thank you for that. >> she loves the attention.
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the question is how will the voters absorb all of that. the one candidate who did not fire any or many arrows at nikki haley was chris christie. the rm former new jersey governor. but both are headed on the collision course in new hampshire which is a primary where independent, moderate voters -- both of those candidates are looking for those. but the bottom line to all of this is, there was little new information conveyed at the debate last night. if you've been paying attention to the campaign as it's been going along. but one thing to keep in mind, it was ron desantis trying to get his conservative railroad a -- get his conservative record and message across. and nikki haley trying to stay above the fray, showing she is indeed presidential. as we see donald trump headed to the courtroom in new york, it reminds us the legal problems
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are part of the campaign and that's the argument that chris christie was making, he could be a felon next year and he was frustrated the rivals on stage barely mentioned him at all. >> a great reminder trump is headed to the court right now, we will hear from him shortly. kate? >> joining us is terry sullivan, campaign manager for marco rubio's run and former republican governor of wisconsin, scott walker. here are my questions today about last night, gentlemen. what was the moment of most impact, what was the moment that had campaign teams essentially shaking their heads? first to our beloved debate truth sayer and republican primary sincynic, terry sulliva. asked you what the moment of impact was and you say? >> the moment donald trump decided not to show up in the t.
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it dictated how everything went. turns out it was a very smart move for him. i don't know if there are any more debates but it doesn't matter if there are because no one is engaging him. it's made for an abysmal showing of these other candidates. there's a reason why they're 40 points behind him. >> governor, you said that ron desantis had a strong night, maybe the strongest night if i'm reading into your words. and you said, if donald trump wasn't in the race, this debate could have catapulted him. tell me more. >> i think -- yeah, i think there's no doubt about it. he had a good one, two punch the last few weeks between a positive reaction from primary voters for his head-to-head with gavin newsom, the governor of california and last night he had a chance to put more attention on his really positive conservative record in florida but as terry e lluded to, none
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the candidates last night were able to counter the lead that the guy that lives north of boca has in the polls. and it's really his to lose as terry says. i don't see anything on the debate stage that chips away at that lead in the early states. >> it's been this way all along, donald trump is going to have to do something to lose support and you're going to have to come up with what that is. versus someone on the debate stage or in in the field doing something to chip away at him. when it comes, terry, to the moment that had campaigns, any of them, shaking their heads, you said it was the moment when chris christie came to nikki haley's defense after vivek ramaswamy was attacking -- as he said, ramaswamy was attacking her basic intellect. let me play a portion of that defense and we'll talk about it. >> if you want to disagree on
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issues that's fine, and we disagree on issues but i've known her for 12 years which is longer than he started to vote in the republican primary, and while we disagree about some issues and we disagree about who should be president of the united states, what we don't disagree on is this is a smart accomplished woman and you should stop insulting her. >> terry, chris christie was on cnn this morning and he said that inferring any tactical motivation from that moment, taking anything from that other than it was just sincerity is cynical and wrong. what do you think? >> yeah. look, they share the same base. nikki haley and chris christie. and that's gop donors. and so, the reality is, is that both of them are likely to be going to those same donors looking for a job in just a few short weeks. so they're going to play nice. they don't want to alienate those donors and that's the reality of it for those two.
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from a campaign standpoint it's perplexing as to why these folks -- you know, they are competing for the same base in new hampshire as well. only one of them gets out of new hampshire alive if they both get to new hampshire. i agree with the governor that desantis had his strongest night last night. if donald trump gets hit by a meteor, ron desantis is the clear front runner. but that may not happen as the governor and i we've been waiting since 2015 for there to be something that's with trump from the standpoint of he has to -- look, donald trump was right in 2015 when he said he could shoot someone on fifth avenue in new york and he wouldn't lose support. it's just the case. >> so governor, when it comes to nikki haley, it was very clearly that she was the center of the stage, really, and she was the center of the attacks because she's gained a lot of momentum from the other debates. her campaign team was telling
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reporters ahead of the debate to show that she's presidential. did that happen? was it successful? >> she came in with that approach and we saw it months ago in milwaukee where she elevated her candidacy by her performance, particularly the pushback against vivek ramaswamy where she said he didn't have any real understanding of foreign policy and it showed. she's been progressively getting better in debates and that's attracted the attention of the donor class. unfortunately for her, she was attacked last night. and one of the things she went after governor desantis and used a phrase used by the left. it might be appealing to some of the donor class. >> a hot take from chris christie on what -- he clearly
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is showing his distandain for vk ramaswamy. i think the way he put it was he was a drunk driver on the debate stage. is that how you see it? >> i think two those two are in a competition to see who can find more republican primary voters to dislike them. it's a close race among the two of them because after every debate their negatives go up. that's not the objectives of the campaigns i've been on drive up the negatives that way. i'm not sure what they're trying to do, fighting each other in the single digits and taking pot shots. but it's not helping them. >> sometimes when you have a microphone and you really doesn't like the other person that's just the only motivation there is. it's good to see you guys. thank you so much. sara? >> thank you. still ahead, we are going to hear from one of the university of nevada las vegas students who was forced to hide yesterday as
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he's listening to gun shots go off on a campus where three people were killed and one person injured. and a strong warning from the white house on russia after the senate failed to advance a funding bill that helps aid ukraine's fight in that war. that's ahead.
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new this morning, just a short time ago we learned the identity of the shooter at the university of nevada las vegas who killed three people and critically injured a fourth. we also learned a possible motive. lucy cavanaugh is in las vegas for the latest. what have you learned?
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>> reporter: that's right, john. law enforcement sources telling cnn that the gunman has been identified as 67-year-old anthony palito and a working theory on the motive. investigators telling cnn they're looking into the possibility he may have applied for a job, a position at the university but was passed over for this position. he, of course, died at the scene after a confrontation with police but he had previously worked for schools in both georgia and north carolina and his linked in profile lists his most recent full-time employment as a business professor, a position that ended long ago back in 2017. a university of georgia spokesman did confirm to cnn that polito had received a ph.d. from the university's business college in 2002. but as for the terror that
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unfolded yesterday, shots fired appeared at 11:45 a.m. local time near beam haul, home to the university's business school. we know that police said the shooting -- the sheriff told us the shooting began on the fourth floor. moving through several floors and police, quote, engaged and neutralized a suspect outside of that building but not before he killed three people, another victim suffered a gun shot wound. two police officers were taken to the hospital with minor injuries and four students suffered panic attacks from the ho horror. the sheriff telling us yesterday a lot more lives could have been lost. take a listen. >> if it hadn't been for the heroic officer that responded
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there could have been additional lives taken. confrontation of the armed suspect stopped further actions. >> reporter: of course this is an active investigation, the atf and fbi are also assisting. the students here, this was a packed university, this is study week before finals, before winter break, so a lot of folks were on campus preparing to take their tests. and students described hearing the gun shots, reading the terrifying messages, including one from the university in all caps, run, hide, fight. some hid in classrooms. one student described how she had to hide in the bathroom of the student union behind me. take a listen. >> i jumped up on the toilet, trying to make sure my feet weren't shown. and i heard the gunman -- the gunman started like coming closer in the direction of the student union and they ended up going inside the building. i have a clip where i can hear them shooting and i was freaking out, crying.
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>> let's not forget, john, this is a city still scarred from one of the worst mass shootings in u.s. history in 2017, so far this year, 631 mass shootings in america. >> what a number. lucy kafanov keep us posted. thank you. i'm joined by a student at unlv and editor and chief of the newspaper. thank you for taking time this morning. i am glad you're safe and with us this morning. you were inside the student union building. what did you see, you hear from your vantage point? >> the newspaper office inside the student union is located on the third floor because there's three floors of the student union. originally when things had kind
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of come to known that things were happening, i was in the newspaper office and there's an open-air balcony next door to our offices. originally i was hearing cop cars kind of rolling down our street, which is maryland parkway in front of unlv. when i stepped out there, i saw 50 to 60 kids running across the parking lot. which was then followed by a string of consecutive gun shots, i'd say five or six. so i ran out the balcony back to the office. i grabbed the other staff member who was there and locked up everything and then we escaped through the interior stairwell of the student union. during that period there was, i'd say, a few more gun shots. i could hear them faintly but you could still hear them vibrating in the walls. from there we exited through a side exit. when we were in front of the student union, i'd say there was
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three more gun shots that were fired. they were very loud and very nearby. i didn't get a chance to see the actual shooter himself. mainly because my priority at the time was to get not only myself but my staff to a safe location. this was, i think, very early on in the situation. so there's a lot of stuff in the air at the time. >> i am so -- this is a weird thing to say because i'm not your mother but i feel like i'm proud of what you did. you helped save yourself and some of the folks that were there, the person on the staff with you, and you acted calmly and you did what the university sent out to students, which is hide, run, fight, whatever of the three you needed to do. but i do want to ask you how you're feeling now and what you were sort of thinking through all this, because we were hearing reports of students who had panic attacks. this is just another time where students on campus are not safe.
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>> yeah. afterwards, it kind of -- i was telling one of my colleagues it felt like a fever dream. almost like you couldn't believe this was happening. i think afterwards i was pretty shaken up from the situation but i was still kind of a little bit more calm and collected. i know a lot of my peers when they were led out by the police with their hands up, it was heartbreaking to see a lot of my peers crying to their parents on the phone or crying to their siblings. it was pretty bad. but for me i'm doing okay. i'm doing all right for the most part. i've been taking calls and everything over the days. so yeah. it's been rough. >> i do want to ask you because of what you just said, the students are coming up with hands up, everyone is shaking, literally shaking after you
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heard all the gun shots. we have heard from a source the shooter was a professor who worked at other universities but not at unlv. in our cnn database there have been 80 school shootings so far this year. what do you want to say to lawmakers and school administrators to have safer campuses? if what are you hearing from the students around you? >> well, there's been a lot of calls to make unlv a closed campus. just a couple hours after the shooting occurred yesterday, a student made a petition to make unlv a closed cam p pus because at the moment it is an open campus. that petition as of this morning has about 10,000 signatures already. and the idea of what's going on in the ground is that there's a lot of calls to make our university safer and, you know, the fact of the matter that unlv, you know, anyone can walk onto campus and we don't really
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know, you know, some security measures would have prevented what occurred yesterday but unfortunately they weren't present. >> allister dias thank you for what you did saving the other student and thank you for coming on and telling your story after a harrowing situation on campus. we appreciate it. >> of course. thank you for having me. kate? still to come for us, headed back to court today, the former alaska airlines pilot facing 80 charges accused of trying to turn off the engines midnight. > . and moments ago, former president trump arrived at the courthouse as he's getting ready to be the defense's star witness. we'll be back.
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authorities identified the man they say killed six people, wounded three others in a shooting spree in central texas this week. 34-year-old shane james now faces capital murder charges with more charges expected to come soon. police say they think the tragedy began when he shot and killed his own parents and he has a history. officers arrested james last year on misdemeanor assault charges. they say he was previously discharged from the military after a domestic violence incident. off duty and now former alaska airlines pilot charged with trying to shut off a jet's
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engines in the middle of a flight is due back to court today. he's been indicted on 83 counts of reckless endangerment. his legal team maintains he's not trying to hurt the passengers he was simply in a dream and trying to return home to his family. the u.s. military has grounded the entire osprey fleet after eight airmen were killed after an aircraft went down. and as has been seen the osprey has a decades long history of issues. last year nine u.s. service members were killed in two separate crashes. the biden administration is saying this morning that congressional republicans are playing political games with national security. after gop senators blocked a bill overnight that would have sent billions of dollars in
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critical aid to ukraine and israel. >> this is not hyperbole. you heard it from the president, there is a risk that, if putin is allowed to go through ukraine, he is on nato's door and then our sons and daughters could possibly be part of conflict. these are political games and unfortunately this is becoming a norm where republicans know the stakes, like the debt ceiling, and continue to push for things that are unrelated, even though the stakes are too high. >> republicans, of course, have a different take. they are demanding that any foreign aid package must be paired with new policies on immigration and border security. lauren fox is joining me from capitol hill. the congressional calendar not a lot of time left for negotiations. what are you learning this morning? i know there was a bang up behind closed doors before we
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heard from the administration. >> reporter: we are learning this morning that things remain in a really delicate position, given the reality that the administration is pointing out, which is there's not that much money left from what congress has previously appropriated to give to ukraine. this is a really critical moment for that country as they face a long winter battle. one of the questions remains up here whether or not negotiators on the republican and democratic side are going to be able to come back together. if you remember, those talks stalled out over the weekend. james langford, the top republican negotiator on the border talks told reporters last night that he is not giving up. that he continues to try and have a conversation with his democratic colleagues but they are still really far apart. as you pointed out, next week, lawmakers are set to leave for their holiday break. not returning until the new year. that means it's very possible and you're starting to hear this from republican leaders as well
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that they could leave without giving ukraine or israel additional funding at a time when both countries believe it would be critical for their future. so it's a really huge question right now. and we were just talking about the united states senate. we still would have to deal with what happens in the house of representatives. mike johnson telegraphed he needs a robust border security to put anything on the floor. it's hard to tell what that could be that would pass in the senate then be enough border security that mike johnson would feel comfortable putting it on the floor of the house and not face potential upheavel from his right flank. so a lot of questions and as you noted time is running out. >> all of these issues are important issues. if they can't get the job done, everybody suffers. thank you lauren fox. appreciate it. israel released a photo naming five hamas commanders it
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claims it has killed. and at this moment the idf said it has surrounded the main hamas leader. also donald trump has arrived at a manhattan courthouse. looking at live pictures there. we are awaiting for and perhaps expecting comments from him about the trial where he will testify next week. and the republican debate. his first comments on the republican debate last night. stay with us. . .
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the israeli military has released -- before we get to that, we will talk about the live pictures inside of this new york city courthouse in lower manhattan where we are waiting for former president donald trump to go in to sitting in for his trial, and then donald trump, himself, will be the star witness in his defense. we have seen and heard from the president many times going in and out of the courtroom, and we are standing by to see if we can see, if we will see him in and
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if he is going to speak this time. we will bring it to you. also, in the latest of the israel-hamas, and the israeli military has released a mphoto f 11 senior military leaders gathered in a tunnel in gaza. you can see that five of them have been killed, and it is only a matter oefore they will get the leader yahya sinwar. alex, stick with me for a second -- we are going back to the courthouse, because donald trump is about to speak. >> thank you very much, everybody. we appreciate your being here. this is a witch hunt the likes of which probably nobody has ever seen. we have put on a case that is absolutely 100% where there is not a judge in the country that would not give us a total victory or a judge in the country that would have taken
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this case, because it is a witch hunt, and corrupt trial. we won this case at the appellant division, and most of it, and we have covered 90% of the case. we won this case at the appellant division, and this judge refuses to acknowledge the appellant division. he said specifically that "we are going forward." because there is something wrong here. and we won this case, and remember this, and put it in your heads, this case was won at the appellant division, and the judge refuses to do what the appellant division demands that he do. nobody has seen anything like this. when you win at the appellant division, it is the higher court, and the jeonudge has to bound by what they say, and we won't at that division and part of that was ivanka not having to put herself going through this
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and they overruled that, and part of that, 90% of that because of the statute of limitations, 90% of the case disappears, so remember this, we won the case at the appellant division at the higher court, and this judge refuses to acknowledge that victory or demand, and this is serious. so we are going in, and we have an expert witness, and one of f the greater experts in the country, and i hope that you can listen to him, but it is going to be another day. so, if you will look at the case, we did nothing wrong, and there were no victims and the bank loves us, and the bank testified. they love us. we did absolutely nothing wrong. we never defaulted or a default letter sent to us, and the bank said that we were perfect customer, and the bank did not know why they were here, yet people are murdered all over the
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streets, and yet, the attorney general is being praised and a lunatic sitting here, because she knows that no matter the evidence, the judge is going to rule in her favor, because he ruled against me before the case even started. the case had not started, and he ruled against me. another thing, he ruled mar-a-lago in palm beach, florida, because it was good in her case, and in a matter of $18 million when in fact it is worth 50 to 100 times that amount. nobody has seen anything like it. but just remember what i said dt the beginning, we won at the appellant division, and this judge refuses to honor that victory or that decision or that demand. thank you very much. >> why would you -- >> and trump --
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and so we have heard him before he goes into court, and we have heard his take about what he says this case is about and how he says that he has won the case, and which the judge has clearly ruled that he was liable for fraud even before this portion of the trial began, and now he is headed into court. we will have much more on this and donald trump back in court, back in a new york courtroom right now. and we will have much more after the break.
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