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good evening. next for joining us. we begin tonight with breaking news. new federal charges against the president's son hunter biden. they have not yet been made public. we learned of their existence just before air time and do not know the details, only that in addition to being the second set of charges he is facing, anything to do with the president's son is potentially significant, all the more so during a presidential campaign. hear with the latest cnn legal affairs correspondent paula reid. pa paula, what do you know about these charges? >> good evening, anderson. our colleague evan perez breaking the news that the justice department has filed a new criminal case against hunter biden. we don't know the specific charges because the court documents are not yet public. just a few weeks ago, we broke the news that the special counsel appointed to investigate the president's son david weiss has been using a los angeles-based grand jury to gather evidence about hunter biden's finances, specifically his taxes. now going back to 2018, the trump-appointed u.s. attorney has been investigating hunter
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biden's finances. hunter biden repeatedly missed irs deadlines to pay his taxes and eventually owed around $2 million. anderson, he did pay back what he owed, including $800,000 in penalties and fees, and this was all expected to be resolved as part of a plea deal where he would plead guilty to two misdemeanors. but over the summer, that plea deal fell apart. the u.s. attorney david weiss was then appointed a special counsel, and the investigation was revived. now the special counsel has already filed three gun charges against hunter biden in delaware. now hunter biden's lawyers insist that here the special counsel is bowing to pressure from republicans to charge the president's son with something. they do not believe that a criminal trial is the proper venue for these allegations, and they are confident on the gun charge that they will prevail at trial. anderson, again, it's unclear what charges have been filed in los angeles, but they previously
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told me that they believe that they bring this tax case not as a plea deal, but as a criminal trial, that they will win. >> paula stick around. i want to bring in david axelrod. david, a lot we don't know, but what impact do you think the new charges could have on the president's reelection campaign? >> well, look, house republicans have been trying for two years, anderson, to link the president to his son's activities. and that hasn't really panned out. there has been no financial gain shown for biden. so in that sense, this is about his son. it's not about him. but there is no doubt that supporters of president trump, who is facing four separate trials will try and conflate the two and muddy the waters to try and take some of the pressure off of himself. i think, anderson, the most significant impact is not on the president as a candidate or as president, it's as a father.
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these are -- these are burdens on a family. and you know you just did a depthful conversation with the president about grief. he has lost a lot in his life. he lost two children. i'm sure that this is a source of concern for him. and how that affects him as a candidate may be as important as what kind of impact it has on him politically, and what others do with it. >> he has obviously avoided openly talking about his son's legal troubles, especially as house republicans look to launch a formal impeachment inquiry. do you see him continuing to do that? >> i do. i do. you know, if i were him, i would speak of it. the only thing i would say, i'm concerned as father. i'm not thinking about this as a president. you know, i do think this will further ignite the house republicans who have been desperately eager to do this.
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i think president trump has probably urged them to do it, and now he has an ally in the new house speaker mike johnson. so this will be a log on the fire. the fire may not actually reach the door of the white house, but the republicans will try and depict it as such. >> paula, what is the process from here now that hunter biden faces new charges? will there be an arraignment in short order? >> sure. we'll see something similar to what we saw in delaware. first, we're waiting for the unsealing of these court documents. we can see the nature of the charges, and we would expect he would make his initial appearance, have an arraignment, likely next week probably. that would be the expected timing. and then i would expect that his lawyers would try to fight these charges the same way they are fighting the charges in delaware. so interesting, anld, over the last several months, we saa much more aggressive hunter biden. they brought on abbe lowell to make a much more forward leaning approach to his detractors.
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they expected the criminal case was going to be resolved with a plea deal, but now they're also facing now two criminal case, and they been very aggressive, very litigious, filing off lawsuits against detractors like rudy giuliani and his long-time friend and lawyer rob costello, sending letters to the hill demanding investigations into congress folks. so it has been a very different approach than what we had seen before with hunter biden. it was somewhat of a split with the white house to be more vocal, to be more forward leaning. we've seen in just the past few days hunter biden saying look, i'm not going to come up on the hill and do a deposition, unless you do it publicly, sort of engaging in this stalemate with republicans on the hill. i would expect that he and his attorneys will take just as aggressive a stance for this case, whatever it ends up being. >> david, you've been skeptical of the president's reelection prospects, not necessarily because of his son, more because of his age an his poll numbers. if we were ever to reconsider his candidacy, which as now he is not, do you think anything
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around his son would factor in or could factor in? >> i don't know, anderson. i have the strong sense that the president is full speed ahead, and that he is going to go through with this campaign. but as i said, this is more than a political burden. this is an emotional burden. and we'll see. but the family has always encouraged him, and i don't imagine they're going to discourage him now. i do think as paula suggests there is going to be a major effort to depict these as politically motivated charges. it's kind of ironic because you see both sides trying to do that. in that sense, this serves donald trump's purposes was he would love to muddy the waters and suggest that the whole system is a swamp and point fingers in a lot of different directions. so it's just one more thing that's going to make it a messy, a messy campaign. >> david axelrod, paula reid,
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thank you so much. now presidential politics. today the four republican candidates who debated in alabama last night were out on the campaign trail, trying to make the most of their performance. donald trump, who did not take part was in new york. he was in court for his civil fraud trial and complaining it was keeping him away from the campaign. >> it's called election interference. it's a sad day for our country that a thing like this can take place. i'm sitting in a courthouse instead of being in iowa where i should be. even though i'm leading by about 40 points. >> the former president in lower manhattan earlier today suggesting he was being kept unfairly off the campaign trail, which is just not true. this is a civil, not a criminal trial. he is under no obligation to attend, does not have to be there at all. yet this was his ninth time there. as for claiming it is interfering with his campaign, that doesn't appear to be true either. we know this because he said so himself. today in a campaign email
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moments before he spoke in that clip there, i quote, they'd rather have me in court rather than the campaign trail in iowa. but in some ways i will still be on the campaign trail today. he went on to say every time he shows up in court, voters see how badly they need him back in the white house. in short, he is not really implying this is part of his campaign. he is saying it and fundraising off of it. so of a two fer for him. it helps him campaign he believes and make money. for more on his day and upcoming testimony, kara scannell starts us off. let's talk what happened in court today. >> as you say, this was donald trump's ninth time attending. and the first time he has attended his defense case. and the witness that was on the stand today was their last expert witness. this was a professor of accounting from new york university. and this witness was unequivocal in giving donald trump exactly what he wanted to hear. his testimony today was that he said his review of the documents showed that there was absolutely no evidence of accounting fraud. he also said he found no
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material misstatements on the financial statements that are at the heart of this case. and the judge interjecting at one point, asking the professor if his testimony was at that the attorney general's lawsuit had no merit. he said absolutely, that's exactly what his testimony was. he went through a number of examples, saying again and again he saw no evidence of fraud. each for example the triplex apartment at trump tower that trump owned. when trump testified he acknowledged that that was at one point incorrect on his financial statements, saying it was three times the size it actually was. the professor today saying that was a mistake, an error, but he said it did not cute any fraud. now trump himself was pretty quiet inside the courtroom today. he seemed to be paying attention to the professor's accounting. outside he praised him, praised his testimony. he also criticized the new york attorney general. she shot back in a social media post saying that "we have already proven this massive scope of his fraud. no matter how much he lies, the
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facts don't." and the judge already found that the financial statements at the heart of this case have been fraudulently inflated. but trump's play here is for an appeal, and that is why we have seen this testimony, along with many other expert witnesses in the case and trump himself will be taking the stand on monday. >> and so let's talk about that. on monday, has he or his legal team given any indication as to what the testimony will entail? >> so his lawyers were out speaking today after court saying that trump is not afraid to testify in this case, that he is going to come in there with an open mind, willing to answer any questions. now you remember the last time he was on the stand when he was called by the new york attorney general's office. the judge had told one of trump's lawyers to control their client because trump was speaking as if he was at campaign and not answering the questions at issue. this time around, there will be much morley way because he will be asked questions by his own lawyers. so it really remains to be seen exactly how broad they're going to try to make his testimony and exactly what issues he'll talk about. but the judge is going to try to
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keep a rein on this testimony, anderson. >> kara scannell, thanks. with me legal analyst and former chief assistant manhattan district attorney karen magnifilo and david cay jo johnston. the president didn't have to be in court today, didn't have to show up. is there any legal importance in him being there in person? >> not at all. he chose to be here. don't forget, this is not a jury trial. this is a judge trial, a bench trial. and he didn't testify today. he didn't do anything in court. he was just an observer today. this was his choice to be there. >> does it not sort of show the judge how serious he is taking? is that impressing anything upon the judge, do you think? >> potentially i guess that could be something that the judge looks at is that he is taking it seriously. but i think the judge knows he is taking it seriously. >> and david, you heard that the nyu accounting professor testified for the defense today said the attorney general's claims of fraud had no merit. when asked about trump's company claiming his new york apartment
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was three times the size that it actually and therefore more valuable, he downplayed it saying it could have been inadvertent or accidental. do you think it was? >> no. because there is some email traffic showing that donald knew this with "forbes" magazine. and there were other problems donald has valued at 10, 20, 30 times what they're worth. so interestingly, donald, every time he values something, none of them come in below. they come in above. and above by a lot. i was frankly, very surprised of this very eminent accounting professor's testimony as an expert witness came out today. he was paid more than one-half million. >> he was paid $500,000 for his testimony today? >> well, that's what came out in court is the trumps have paid him over a half a million dollars. so i mean, that's not a normal expert witness you bring in who gets 25, 50,000, $60,000. that's a great deal of money.
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and there are clear badges of fraud in his statements. so that's what i find very surprising. >> does the fact that he is -- a respected professor, i guess, at nyu, or the fact that he has paid half a million dollars, does that influence the judge? >> the judge will take both those things into consideration. he is a respected professor with a good resume, and he's been a long-term professor. some of the things he did say were surprising. >> what? >> he is an expert, right. he is supposed to talk about expert accounting principles. but for him to then opine that there was no fraud here, that's up to the judge to decide, right. he can say what he thinks something is worth or what the equations are that should go into it. but how does he know whether something was a mistake, whether it was inadvertent. >> what the intent was. >> exactly. that's sort of the ultimate question that the judge is there to determine. to me that shows that he's biased frankly towards trump. as opposed to being an expert on
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the subject, which is what an expert is supposed to be, and to educate the judge on valuations and things like that. but he really has decided that there was no fraud here and that there was no criminal intent. and -- >> i'm wondering if the judge asking him directly about that, saying are you saying that the case has no merit indicates the judge also is raising that concern? >> potentially, yeah. i mean potentially maybe the judge wanted to see how far is he willing to go for trump, how far is he willing to say these things about trump. because it's not just about the mistake about the tripling the size of the penthouse apartment. it was also things like saying that mar-a-lago is commercial property or its residential property when it suited him, because you get more favorable insurance terms if it's one versus the other or loan terms if it's one versus the other, or saying in another building that all of the units were rented out when they weren't, because once again, that makes it more . at a certain point, it's not
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really necessarily just mistakes potentially, and that's what the judge is there to determine. >> david, what do you expect when the former president takes the stand monday? we heard what his testimony was like the last time. >> well, the first time around, this was the state questioning donald trump. now it will be his attorneys laying out their case. this is what we want you to understand, your honor. and what i'm looking forward to is the cross-examination of donald trump, how skillful will it be? asking things like you said mar-a-lago is worth $27 million. now you're saying it's worth half a billion, a billion dollars. things like that. and the cross-examination will be the most interesting part of this. we know the fundamental story they're going to put forward. i'm an honest man. i've never done anything in my life that's required me to apologize to anybody. >> david cay johnston, appreciate it. karen as well.
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a reminder, stay tuned for laura coates live tonight when her guest will be former attorney general eric holder. that's tonight 11:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. next for us, more breaking news. the latest in the fallout after the presidents of some of the country's most prestigious universities were asked by lawmakers to unequivocally condemn calls for the genocide of jews, and then appeared to equivocate. plus, the latest on the fighting in gaza and the progress israeli forces say they're making on the ground there.
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some mother breaking news. it comes on the first night of hanukkah. two months to the day hamas perpetrated the massacre of citizens, most of them jewish in israel, the board of supervisors at pennsylvania's warren business school tonight calling for a leadership change at u penn. the board's letter to university president liz magill part of her backlash to her congressional testimony along with other ivy school leaders about antisemitism on campus. >> ms. magill, at penn, does calling for the genocide of jews violate penn's rules or code of conduct? yes or no? >> if the speech turns into
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conduct, it can be harassment, yes. >> i am asking specifically calling for the genocide of jews, does that cute bullying or harassment? >> if it is directed and severe or pervasive, it is harassment. >> so the answer is yes? >> it is a context-dependent decision, congresswoman. >> it's a context dependent decision? that's your testimony today, calling for the genocide of jews is depending on the context? that is not bullying or harassment? this is the easiest question to answer yes, ms. magill. >> presidents of three of the country's top schools, m.i.t., harvard, and the university of pennsylvania sharply questioned this week on capitol hill over antisemitic rhetoric on their campuses. now facing massive backlash for not taking a hard-line stance against calls for genocide. >> from the river to sea -- >> from the river to the sea! >> i have not heard calling for
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the genocide for jews on our campus. >> but you've heard chants for intifada. >> i've heard chants, which can be antisemitic depending on the context when calling for the elimination of the jewish people. >> reporter: so far no protesters held accountable. >> have any students been expelled or disciplined for bullying, harassment, or these actions that you're listing? >> i can assure you we have robust student disciplinary processes -- >> no, no, no. i did not asking your process. i asked if any students had been disciplined or removed from harvard as a result of the bullying and the harassment that's taken place based on their antisemitic views. >> after the hearing, the university of pennsylvania president liz magill attempted to clarify her remarks, issuing a video statement. >> when i was asked if the call for the genocide of jewish people on our campus would violate our policies, in that moment, i was focused on our university's long-standing policies aligned with the u.s.
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constitution, which say that speech alone is not punishable. i was not focused on but i should have been. >> reporter: harvard's president claudine gay issued a written statement after the house committee hearing, in part saying calls for violence or genocide against the jewish community or any religious or ethnic group are vile. they have no place at harvard, and those who threaten our jewish students will be held to account. pennsylvania's democratic governor said u penn's magill failed at the most basic level. >> it shouldn't be hard, and there should be no nuance to that. she needed to give a one-word answer, and she failed to meet that test. >> reporter: the white house making clear on calls for genocide, there is no room for nuance. >> calls for genocide are unacceptable. it's vile, and it's counter to
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everything this country stands for. i can't believe i even have to say that. i can't believe i even have to say that. >> reporter: from the halls of congress to presidential politics. >> it was disgusting to see what happened. >> reporter: calls for all three university presidents to step aside, growing some business leaders and the ceo of the anti-defamation league. >> when i watch these presidents flail and feebly with legalish answers respond to a simple line of questioning, i've got to say, we've lost confidence in them. >> reporter: some jewish students and their supporters demanding action. >> jewish students do not believe that the m.i.t. administration has done an adequate job to make students feel safe on campus. >> do something. protect jewish people. protect your students. >> miguel joins us now.
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that testimony was incredible, their responses. we mentioned the board of advisers of u penn, for wharton school calling for change of leadership. any likelihood u penn? >> it is possible. the trustees met today. there is no answer out of that meeting so far. it was an emergency meeting called, this board of trustees, or the wharton school very powerful members of the alumni board for u penn as well. at m.i.t., interestingly, their executive committee has said they have full and unreserved support for its president up at m.i.t. but congress now has also called for a full hearing that would have subpoena power and dig in even deeper. lots of moving parts. it's going to keep going. >> miguel marquez, thank you. appreciate it. just ahead, investigations how election conspiracies turn into, and what we warn you now are graphic threats of violence against public official across the country, like this. >> we're going to [ bleep ] hang you, traitoror. > give them an alalabama nec,
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you u piece of s shit.
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the threats facing government officials and election workers are so grave, that the department of homeland security in a threat assessment for next year warns of americans, quote, motivated by conspiracy theories and anti-government or partisan grieving. the department said people could use violence or threats of violence to disrupt elections. kyung lah has the story about the conspiracies, how they fuel the threats, and the lives forever changed because of them. we warn you, much of the language you're about to hear is graphic and disturbing. >> we're going to [ bleep ] hang you, traitor. >> give [ bleep ] an alabama
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necktie, you piece of shit. >> reporter: this is what it sounds like to work for the american people. >> you piece of shit. >> i will take a bullet to your [ bleep ] head if you [ bleep ] with my rights anymore. >> reporter: from members of congress -- >> tell matt gaetz to watch his back. tell him to watch his children. he is going to [ bleep ] die. >> reporter: to your local government. >> people that are coming and visiting the homes of the birthday of supervisors and basically executing their families. >> reporter: but who and why? >> when we come to lynch your stupid lying come my ass. >> these are all line i've heard come out of his mouth hundreds of times. my dad's been with that whole wave since the very beginning, and it lit a fire. >> hello, excuse me? >> reporter: the man we're trying to speak with is mark recy. >> i would never talk to you guys. goodbye. >> reporter: he leave lives in a
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quiet corner. he will go to jail next month. cnn reviewed more than 500 federally prosecuted thoughts to u.s. officials. in the last decade, 40% were politically motivated. overall, prosecuted threats to named lawmakers jumped 168% during trump's presidency. threats to republicans making up the bulk of cases. 95% of those prosecuted men. average age, 39. mental health issues, divorce, loss of a loved one, isolation, all recurring themes in the cases. a profile that the son of mark recci of iowa recognizes. >> he was a great dad. he was very present. he's always been a conservative, you know, they'll never take our guns kind of a guy. but over the course of the last ten years, it's gotten really, really intense. >> reporter: your mother at this point was starting to become ill? >> right. she started showing signs of dementia. it turns out she had early onset alzheimer's.
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and so my dad was her caretaker. taking care of my mother 24/7. how he would get away from that would be to dive into, you know, literature and politics and the internet. but getting lost in his news feeds i think was really the main culprit here. the turning point where i started to realize that wow, this is a serious problem is when he bet me $100 that barack obama and hillary clinton would be hung in the next 30 days. >> reporter: the final break between father and son happened during protests after the police murder of george floyd when his son supported a local iowa march. >> i got a message from my dad in the middle of the night that said, you know, your boys antifa are now a terrorist group. >> you come in my house, and i will drop you like the sack of shit you are. i never want to see your stupid [ bleep ] face again. you're a [ bleep ] moron. i hate your guts, you little prick. >> he really has put aside having family-related
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interactions. he has given up all of that so that he can 100% focus on, you know, this whole anti-government operation. >> reporter: ricci's father was also calling someone 1500 miles away in arizona. >> we're going get started. >> reporter: clint hickman, republican chairman of the maricopa county board of supervisors. >> hello, mr. hickman. you're going to die, you piece of shit. we're going hang you. >> reporter: the county board oversees election day voting and tabulation. starting in 2020, lies spread into conspiracies and threats. there were hundreds upon hundreds of terrifying calls. >> you [ bleep ] liar, you got damn pcc butryming piece of shit, you pile of shit. you corrupt politician. >> i've lived through my staff. this county has lived through a mountain of threats.
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and that is basically in my case the one guy that was caught. >> reporter: ricci will spend 2 1/2 years in prison for the threatening call he made to hickman. >> i'm just a public servant and representative that has the audacity to take part in running fair and clean elections. and if law enforcement can catch him, i am absolutely there to see people go to jail, because i'm worried about our election workers. >> reporter: the mark ricci case epitomizes the type of conduct that the task force is trying to combat, and that's because it threatens the foundation of our democracy. death threats are criminal, and they will be prosecuted. >> reporter: john keller leads the election threats task force at the department of justice, formed after the 2020 election. the task force currently has dozens of active investigations. but keller says it's a drop in the bucket. >> we can only investigate and prosecute threats of unlawful violence. >> what percentage are cases that just don't meet that standard? >> over 90% are cases that do
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not meet the standard. >> that's a lot. >> and it gives you a sense of what the election community is dealing with and what they're facing, and why we can't prosecute our way out of this problem. >> reporter: one in five election workers signal they wanted to quit after the midterms. more than half worried about their safety. what do you think as we look ahead into this election year? are there going to be more people like your father? >> i mean, i hope not, but i know there is going to be, right. i'm actually pretty scared to see what's on the horizon there. >> going back to 2016. >> kyung lah joins us now. i feel so sorry for his son. what measures are available to election workers to protect themselves and their colleagues? >> well, the department of justice tells us that there is some funding out there. they certainly are working with local federal authorities in each jurisdiction to get training. there is funding available to get securities as well as hardening some of these election spaces.
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and they do hope that that message will get out to the election workers to begin talking about it. report everything to the federal authorities, but also talk to the public, share their stories so there is this awareness that this is horrible, and it is simply unacceptable. the department of justice also adds this, that while the bulk of these cases simply cannot be prosecuted, they do intend to chase the ones that can and they hope to send a very strong message in 2024. >> kyung lah, thank you so much. we want to good back to our breaking news, because we have just gotten hold of the new hunter biden indictment. i want to go back to paula reid. >> the indictment is right here. it's 56 pages. but in going through this, justice department details the allegations supporting these nine counts that they have filed against hunter biden. they include three felony tax offenses and six misdemeanor tax offenses. now to put that in context, hunter biden was hoping to
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resolve this investigation by pleading guilty to just two misdemeanors. but here the justice department is alleging that he engaged in a four-year scheme in which they say he chose not to pay at least $1.4 million in self-assessed federal taxes he owed between 2016 and 2019. and then they also accuse him of trying to evade the assessment of taxes for 2018 when he filed false returns. now they allege that he subverted the payroll and tax withholding process of his own company by withdrawing millions outside of that process. they also accused him of spending millions of dollars on a, quote, extravagant lifestyle rather than paying his tax bills. they say in 2018, he stopped paying his outstanding and overdue taxes for the tax year 2015 and willfully failed to pay his 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019
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taxes on time, despite they say having access to funds to pay some or all of these taxes. they allege he willfully failed to file in 2017 and 2018, and then when he did finally file in 2018, as they say, that he did so to reduce the very substantial tax liability he faced in february 2020. now, again, these are tax allegations. it's a little in the weeds. but he faces a maximum penalty of 17 years in prison. now, of course, oftentimes sentences are far less than the maximum, but i'll note that in the press release tonight, anderson, the justice department also says that the investigation is ongoing, and that's notable because the question of whether the investigations into the president's son were fully going to be wrapped up with a plea deal or if they would possibly continue, that became a real key issue between his lawyers and the justice department. so notable that they included that here. it feels a little bit more than just the standard boilerplate.
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but we would expect the president's son would likely make his first court appearance probably some time next week. >> all right. paula reid, appreciate the update. thank you. just ahead, an update from israel and gaza exactly two o montnths since h hamas' octotob attack..
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some more breaking news this evening. two months since the october 7th attack that sparked israel's war with hamas, we're seeing new images from the war in gaza, including one released by the idf that they say shows senior
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military leaders of hamas that have been killed. jeremy diamond joins me now from ashkelon, israel. they say they've eliminated 5 of 11 senior hamas commanders in a photograph they released. it seems like hamas is organized enough to hand over hostages and still fight. so what is israel saying about their progress in this war? >> yeah, still organized to do those things, and also to fire rockets against cities in israel. we've seen those barrages tick up again over the last several days since that fragile truce between israel and hamas ended. israel is trying to show the progress that it is making towards its primary objective of destroying hamas and removing it from powering gaza, showing that image of five out of those 11 senior commanders of the northern brigade of gaza being eliminated. also talking about two other senior hamas officials who were killed in a strike on an intelligence center in gaza. but what is clear that even as
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israel pushes deeper into southern gaza, entering the city of khan yunis and circling the home of hamas' leader in gaza, yahya sinwar, although that is simply a symbolic victory, according to israeli officials, what they're doing is they're making advances militarily. but they are still not quite close to that broad goal of destroying hamas. two months in, we are watching as this military offensive is still proceeding. but with u.s. pressure ramping up on the front as it relates to civilian casualties, israeli officials very much know two months into this war, six months into that ground operation that the clock is definitely ticking. and the question is, can they achieve their goals with the time that they may have left. >> there is also the video that's appeared of dozens of men being detained. what do we know about it? >> yeah, these images were circling on social media today. and it shows dozens of palestinian men detained by israeli forces in gaza. we don't know exactly when or
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where these videos were taken, although some of them we have geolocated to the northern -- northern gaza city of bei beit lahiya. in it you see men blindfolded, stripped to their underwear and detained on the streets and the backs of military vehicles. what we also know is while some of them may be hamas fighters, certainly we know that not all of them are. and that's because cnn has spoken with the families and the employers of some of the men spotted in these videos. one of the men is actually a journalist. his employer says he was detained along with members of his family. another relative of another individual who was spotted said that that man simply went out of his house when he was ordered to do so by israeli forces and was consistently detained. a lot of questions about the videos and the mass attention and treatment of these individuals. cnn has reached out to the
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israeli military for comment. they haven't responded, although an israeli military spokesman daniel hagari, he said that the idf investigates and checks who has ties to hamas and who does not. anderson? >> jeremy diamond, thanks very much. coming up next, remembers the victims of the unlv campus shooting. also, a sentencing hearing tomorrow in another shooting case, a michigan high school shooting with the parents of one of the victims fear the punishment will not fit the crime.
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this afternoon, authorities in las vegas said all three victims of wednesday's shooting on the campus of unlv are faculty members. they identified two of them. they said the name of the third will be shared once the family is notified. we remember patricia navar you know navarro-velez. she devoted her career to educating the next generation of accountants. the mom of four was from puerto rico. she was just 39 years old. we also remember professor cha jan chang. he liked to be called jerry.
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he had been an educator at unlv for more than 20 years. jerry chang was 64. today police identified the dead shooter as a 67-year-old man. investigators are still trying to understand his motive. las vegas sheriff said the gunman applied, quote, numerous times for different nevada higher ed learning institutions and was rejected by all of them. the gunman had a list of people he was seeking on campus, and none of them were victims. he mailed 22 letters to various personnel across the country, one of which was found to obtain a white substance. while las vegas authorities continue their investigation, another shooting will be the focus of a sentencing hearing tomorrow at a high school. a teen gunman pleaded guilty to killing four fellow students and wounding several others. a judge is going to decide whether he's going to face life in prison without parole, the harshest punishment allowed.
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to one of the parents, that is not enough. >> there's just an emptiness, a big void in your heart, family life. that's been the hardest. >> craig shilling is the father of justin shilling, one of four students killed by a classmate in oxford, michigan, in november 2021. justin's parents are joining the hundreds of american families who have had to meld grief with legal procedure. in this case, the gunman pleaded guilty to terrorism and murder charges in october 2022. the sentence could be life without parole, the harshest penalty available in michigan. >> nothing is enough. you know, he gets to live and my son doesn't. >> that's not enough. >> why is it not enough? >> i personally feel that when you do something like that, that you should meet the same fate.
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>> reporter: in some of shilling's final moments, he was hiding in a bathroom with another student, keegan gregory, who was texting his family in real time. he killed him, omfg. gregory ran and survived. >> the day he came home, he sat with us, and he said, i shouldn't have left him. but there's nothing he could have done. >> the shooter himself, of course, you feel there are others that need to be held accountable. >> i cannot let it go. >> reporter: while the sentencing in the criminal case is one major thing these families are dealing with, they've also filed civil lawsuits because they believe the school and some of its employees should have done more to stop this from happening in the first place. and an independent report commissioned by the oxford board of education found, in part, that had proper threat assessment guidelines been in place and district threat assessment followed, this tragedy was avoidable. >> what we do in civil law is we
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go after everybody who's culpable. their own paid for report says they screwed up and could have prevented the shooting. >> reporter: but in march, a state judge sided with the oxford school district, ruling it was protected by governmental immunity. the families are appealing. the last time his father saw the shooter in court, he had to restrain himself. >> i just wanted to jump the bench. i know that's not right. >> i wouldn't say that i will ever forgive him, and i don't think i'm required to. you know, being in the courtroom with the person that murdered my son. but i have to accept that this has happened. >> reporter: omar jiminez, cnn, oxford, michigan. coming up next, a remarkable moment, a 103-year-old survivor of the japanese attack on pearl harbor returned to hawaii to
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honor service members killed on that day, leading america into world war iiii.
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today marks 82 years since the japanese attack on pearl harbor, launching the u.s. into world war ii. an 102-year-old survivor made the trip to hawaii to be at today's commemoration. ike shaw was the oldest of five other survivors on hand. there was a moment of silence the moment the first bombs fell. more than 2,300 servicemen were killed in the attack, a date president franklin d. roosevelt said, will live in infamous. "the source" with kaitlan collins starts now. collins starts now. see you tomorrow. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight, straight from "the source," donald trump in court today, as he prepares to take the stand again, as one of his own lawyers is acknowledging she's telling him not to do it. a judge granting one woman an emergency abortion request in texas, the first case of its kind since the fall of roe