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more than $300 million to join liv. so not sure who is turning that down. >> i don't play golf for the money, but actions seem to indicate aggressively otherwise. >> could anyone turn down that amount of money to do the exact same thing and even do it a little less? i can't fault the guy. just wouldn't have gone publicly and said all these things knowing that the potential was there in the future. >> yeah, i mean, it does argue for biting your tongue. what do you think it means for golf? >> so, you know, liv golf and pga, they have this december 31 deadline to strike a deal for whatever kind of merger they will have. what this signing of rahm means? i don't know. but supposedly . >> it does seem to give liv an edge. i'm casey huhunt. have a wonderful weekend, cnn
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this morning starts right now. this breaking overnight, hunter biden is facing nine new criminal charges as federal investigators say he avoided paying $1.4 million in taxes, instead spending that money on an extravagant lifestyle, how high the political cost may be for his father. donald trump set to testify monday in his new york fraud trial after calling it a disgrace to america. why his own lawyer is telling him not to take the stand. plus, shots fired outside of a synagogue before the first night of hanukkah, what the suspect said just before he was arrested. cnn this morning starts right now. ♪ it is friday, we're so glad you're with us, i'm poppy harlow, with phil mattingly in new york. the 2023 campaign trail is
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running through the courthouse or courthouses, hunter biden facing nine new federal criminal charges, accused of failing to pay at least $1.4 million in taxes, in 2016, through 2019. and instead spending his money on things like drugs, escorts, pornography, and luxury hotels. >> we should note hunter biden is not joe biden. there is no allegation in the 56-page indictment that the president did anything wrong. not even mentioned. but it could still have major implications for the incumbent as house republicans have made hunter's business dealings a basis for the impeachment push. former president trump faces 91 criminal indictments, his legal team working to delay his federal election subversion case, set right now to go to trial in march in the heat of the presidential election season. instead of being on the campaign trail yesterday, trump chose to be in court, for his new york civil fraud trial. >> this whole case is election interference, it's keeping me
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here instead of iowa, and new hampshire. and i should be right now in iowa and new hampshire, in south carolina. i shouldn't be sitting in a courthouse and i don't have to sit here. i could just do what i want -- whatever i want to do, but i want to make sure that you get the true story. >> just a point of clarity, trump is not required to be there yesterday, no one was keeping him there, instead of having him in iowa, he chose to be there. joining us now, justice reporter caitlin polantz, and "new york times" political correspondent michael bender, the author of the "new york times" best seller frankly we didn't win this election. how trump lost. these new charges against hunter biden, break them down, what do they actually mean? >> well, these are all charges about evading the irs, it's not nine charges, three of them are felonies, we didn't have that before when he had that plea deal before it fell apart. those were all misdemeanors. these are felony charges and
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essentially accusing hunter biden of not telling the irs what he needed to pay them, and then not paying them, or paying them late for the taxes that he owed, the federal income tax. the way that the justice department does this, the special counsel's office that filed this 56-page indictment against him yesterday, is they're not just explaining that he didn't pay his taxes, they're also saying he had the money. he didn't pay $1.4 million in taxes, and yet, had $7 million in income throughout the period of 2016 to 2019 when he needed to have these taxes being paid, and they're also detailing in exquisite detail exactly what he was spending his money on, things like drugs, escorts and girlfriends, rental properties, luxury hotels, pornography, exotic cars, these are all things that are in this indictment, that is something that is quite a surprise to see, and they're using hunter biden's
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own memoir against him, quoting from it, saying -- showing how he was saying and writing, this is what i was spending my money on. >> yeah, and he continued to do it, even after 2019, they allege, in 2020 he was spending all this money on a luxury house, right, kaitlan, and it's always interesting they wrote the irs to be the last creditor to be paid. what is worst case, best case for hunter biden out of this? >> best case is that his attorneys go just totally all in on fighting these charges before anything gets to a trial in any way that he can, and getting them tossed in some way. one of the things that we know that they want to do is they want to ask the courts to recognize that he had a deal with the justice department, that they couldn't bring charges like this, that's something they're clearly going to test in court. there's also the possibility that they can go to court and fight these, we got a quote from his attorney abby lowell yesterday, he said if hunter biden's last name was anything other than biden the charges in
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delaware and now california would not have been brought. >> we build off that point, is that true? >> i don't think so, i think it may be true with respect to -- there's another case, a gun case out of delaware that deals hunter biden possessing a firearm five years ago for about two weeks, in a dumpster, he never uses it, i have serious questions about whether doj would ever bring a case like that against anyone else. i would not have authorized that charge. this is different though, this is $1.4 million in alleged tax loss, not a blockbuster case by federal tax crimes standards, it's not nothing either, it's a fairly routine type of doj tax case. we're in a different stratosphere with this new indictment than we were before with respect to hunter biden's tax problems. back in july he was minutes away from pleading to two tack misdemeanors with a probation sentence and now he's looking at three felonies plus six misdemeanors.
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the maximum charge if you add them all up, 17 years, not getting anywhere near 17. >> he might get some. >> his lawyers seem intent on fighting this, if he gets convicted at trial it's a prison sentence of some duration, not 17 years, but this is not a probation case. >> lots of people you've never heard of go to jail for federal tax crime. >> michael, this is a complete collision course between the political system and the legal system. what's that is fact is for the both the president's son and for the former president, all at the same time. >> yeah, i can't recall a time where the legal and political systems have been on this kind of crash course. i think politically, normally the american people are less likely to penalize a candidate for his family's charges, and you would think, in a normal
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world, all these charges against hunter biden might take some steam out of the republican argument that joe biden has weaponized the justice department against his -- against his political enemies but the keyword there, in a normal time, you've got to keep in mind that weaponizing the justice system isn't just an accusation right now from president trump, it's also a campaign promise for a second term. >> yeah, and just to jump in, you know, this question of, does the president's son receive preferential treatment? the majority of americans back in june said yes. but again, it fell along partisan lines. this can disrupt narratives but at the same time, i think to your point, most people are not going to hold joe biden accountable for this. >> listen to what david axelrod told our colleague anderson cooper last night. interesting perspective. >> there's a major effort to depict these as politically motivated charges. and so, you know, it's kind of ironic because you see both
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sides trying to do that. and that serves -- this serves donald trump's purposes because he'd love to muddy the waters and suggest the whole system is a swamp, and point fingers in a lot of different directions. so it's just one more thing that's going to make it a messy -- a messy, messy campaign year. >> mike, to that point, you talk to democrats, your frustration is not that they think the president did i didn't go wrong here, their frustration is this gives trump a thread to blow into something that everyone is going to believe, or his people are going to believe and it's going to make it more complicated for the white house. >> look back a few months ago how republicans reacted to the first set of charges against hunter biden. james comer, the chairman of house oversight brushed it off in conspiracy tones saying ironically this is the one crime you can't tie joe biden to, the gun charges. i think that we're going to see more of that this time around.
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and certainly trump will use this as a -- as just more muck to muddy the waters on this corruption. >> in terms of the impeachment inquiry, james comer the oversight chairman said this, quote, hunter biden's corporate entities implicated by today's indictments funneled foreign cash that landed in joe biden's bank account unless u.s. attorney weiss investigates everyone involved in the fraud schemes it will be clear president biden's doj is protecting hunter biden and the big guy, he means the president there. can you lay out the facts for us? >> the house has been investigating this, and they really haven't found any of those connections in a way that really would have a problem for -- >> and by the house, you mean comber's committee? >> yes, specifically. and in this you are seeing evidence here that the justice department, the special counsel has investigated extensively tracing this money that they looked into the foreign work that hunter biden was doing on
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the border of ukraine for romanian businessman for some entities in china as well as other investments, and so they've looked at it, it doesn't show up here, there isn't a biden -- joe biden connection in this indictment. >> thank you, everyone say close, we've got a lot more to get to, donald trump's trials back in the spotlight today as well, he goes back to the civil fraud trial, in the courtroom here in new york and he could do something his legal team says he should not. >> two rockets hit the american embassssy in b baghdad. who the e u.s. says s is reresponsible,e, we'll havave i.
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you are looking at the
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beautiful new york city skyline this morning, it is the holidays, it looks wonderful outside. it's going to become front and center in the political and legal convergence that will be happening next week, donald trump using that $250 million civil fraud trial in new york to raise money for his 2024 campaign and to widen his commanding lead. trump, again, called the case a, quote, political witch hunt thursday after an accounting expert testified he saw no evidence whatsoever for accounting fraud. trump is set to testify again in his own defense on monday. >> but as to republican front runner campaigns from the courtroom, his republican rivals are hitting the more traditional campaign trail after the fourth debate which trump also skipped. kristen holmes joins us now with more. good morning to you. talk about the strategy here. he doesn't have to be in that courtroom, he wants to be in that courtroom. >> that's right. he wants to control the narrative to hijack these court cases and turn them into campaign stops. he did not have to be there
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yesterday but it did create an opportunity for him to really take control of the narrative the day after a republican debate he did not participate in, gave him ample camera time, he went to the camera at every opportunity that he had. it also shed light on a witness who was very favorable to the former president and likely wouldn't have gotten as much attention had the former president not been sitting in court. now, on monday, again, he is expected to be called to testify by his own attorneys. here's what one of his attorneys had to say about that appearance. >> he still wants to take the stand even though my advice is, at this point, you should never take the stand with a gag order, but he is so firmly against what is happening in this court. >> now, i do believe that if donald trump was told very seriously by his attorneys not to take the stand as he has been on multiple occasions he would likely not, however, he is taking it, and he will be the final word in this case.
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remember, he could have been cross-examined by his own attorneys last time when he was up on the stand when he was the prosecution's witness, and chose not to be. they did not ask him any questions. they will be giving him the last word in this trial. >> more latitude when they do it. now, what can we expect to hear from him on the stand on monday? >> well, remember, this is him taking control, again. there were a lot of things he tried to say when he was being cross-examined or when he was being questioned by the prosecution that they stopped him from saying, he got into a contentious back and forth with the judge, he kept saying answer these questions more succinctly. we expect him to be able to tell his narrative. this is something his attorneys will be leaving him on, they will be the ones doing the questioning, which means he'll have a lot more room there to say what he needs to say and wants to say. >> kristen holmes, thank you. >> our experts back with us, elie honig, it makes sense why the lawyers would do it this
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way. they can ask him more, he can say more, what does he risk being on that stand? >> any competent lawyer on the planet would tell donald trump you are taking the fifth, you are not taking the stand, and alina hobb's explanation makes no sense, the reason why i advised him not to take the stand because you have a gag order, that applies equally inside and outside the courtroom, makes no difference if you take the stand. the reason you tell donald trump not to take the stand is you have four pending pending indic. so by taking the stand he risks anything that the ag's office wants to cross-examine him on. remember, they're going to go second here, right, his own lawyers are going to question him first but then the ag's lawyers get to stand up and cross-examine him. not necessarily on anything in the world, but on anything relating to this case, which gets into his finances which are relevant to, for example, the hush money case. he's absolutely taking a risk by taking the stand. >> natasha, the way that the legal and political have crashed into one another here pretty
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dramatically and are going to more so in the months ahead, we've talked about it constantly, trump has clearly fully embraced this as a campaign strategy. because he has no other option or because it's working. >> it's a dream opportunity, right, so many americans are consumed with just trying to survive in the economy, they're getting their kids to school, they're making breakfast, not keeping up with every single charge, i don't even think they could explain to you all of the charges but they do pay attention when a sound bite goes viral, when donald trump uses his charisma and his skill to speak directly to maga supporters and to make himself a victim. this is a dream opportunity, he may not even listen to legal advice if it was the right advice, this is about the campaign. this is an opportunity for him to leave that lasting final word. >> what about voters in a state like iowa, they really care about you being there, they really care about you spending time with them and shaking hands, same thing in new hampshire, and he is saying outside yesterday the courtroom,
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i could be in iowa, i could be in new hampshire, i'm here, et cetera. a smart political calculation for those two first states? >> yeah, i mean, i think so, you're right about iowans, and trump was penalized a little bit in 2016 for skipping a debate there. this time it's a little bit different. this is -- in 2016 it was a republican party in transition, now this is eight years. >> now it's his party? >> now it's his party. we've seen over the course of the year it's a little hard to remember, but just at the beginning of this year he and desantis, the governor of florida, were neck and neck in polls, trump has solidified his standing in polls, largely in part because of these indictments, these investigations, and these trials, and the way this calendar lines up, this could only help him -- looks like it can help him moving forward, the civil trial looks like it will wrap up right before iowa, the opening of a civil trial into a defamation case against -- involving e. jean carroll whether he owes her money starts the day after iowa, the
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subversion trial in washington is set to start right on super tuesday, one of the most important dates. these could help trump in the pri primary. how these play out with general election voters, we'll watch that. >> something i've been curious about as i've watched him with this civil case. is there a differentiation between how he can act in this being a civil case, in the launch of the subversion case, it's scheduled the day before super tuesday is a federal case, that case put new restrictions on him or different restrictions on him in terms of being able to do these types of press conferences every day. >> it all depends on the judge. one of the things that's different in this case than others is that there are cameras right outside the courtroom catching him coming in and out talking. there's not cameras in the courtroom showing him on the stand in the georgia fulton case there will be cameras in the courtroom if and when that goes to trial eventually. i don't believe there's a date set yet firmly.
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in federal court there are no cameras inside the building period, ever, not going to happen to my very deep disappointment. >> same. >> right. >> we're all aligned on this. >> samesies. >> but, there are a lot of different approaches the judges take to this, in this case he has not just tried to filibuster his responses to prosecutors when he was on the stand before, he also tried to make it about how the judge was being so unfair to him. this judge, that dynamic, is with one that's particular to this case, he has a very different dynamic with judge aileen cannon in the federal court in florida, they are not adversarial at this point, gotten a lot of rulings they like from her. in federal court in washington judge tanya chutkan, she doesn't -- she doesn't let a lot of things slide. she is having really tight deadlines, being very strict, and so her tolerance for shenanigans might not be very high. >> i don't know if katelyn
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realizes he's going to be our human camera inside the courtroom. >> thank you guys very much. well, russia launching a fierce round of missile attacks on ukraine as congress battles for funding, live on the ground. the gunman is walking past police before he was killed in a gunfight. police are still trying to determine a motive. officials say the suspect applied for several jobs at colleges in nevada, was rejected by them, and officers uncovered a target list that included unlv faculty, none of them were shot, three people, though, were murdered, including two professors.
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breaking news, russia launched a barrage of cruise missiles on kyiv and eastern ukraine. many missiles were intercepted but this comes as more u.s. aid hangs in the balance for ukraine, nick paton walsh is live in eastern ukraine, and it shows the urgency of getting this aid to ukraine, to be able to defend itself, it's been an almost 80-day pause in terms of that region, i wonder what changed. >> yeah, i mean, initially there were russia supply of cruise missiles it used as dawn broke this morning against kyiv, and
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other targets, so that might be a limited supply for their -- managed to find 19. as you say ukraine says they took down 15 of those, only debris falling on the capital, but one killed in dnipro, not far from where i'm standing, four injured there as well in a separate series of attacks using 300 missiles in the eastern city of kharkiv, killed one in the region. a fear amongst ukraine, attacks against crucial infrastructure picking up again as the frontline fighting slows because of the awful weather around me. the defenses ukraine has relied upon so acutely last night, relatively low death toll the white house say potentially the first things that will suffer if aid is not continued at the pace they've become used to over the past nearly two years of this war. the last announcement we saw
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from the pentagon was $175 million, a lot you might say, but significantly less than the billions we've been accustomed to seeing every other week being announced by the white house in aid. that may slow the air defenses available to ukraine, that will embolden russia and i will mean the artillery shells that are the bulwark of ukraine's defensive power here, scarce supply too. the most important thing here is the signal that the u.s. is giving, they're showing for the first time that aid is not inevitable. that is palpably felt here on the ground in ukraine, soldiers we're talking to, deeply concerned about the months ahead, and russia regaining its footing and the argument many make on the hill there that it won't get caught up in another conflict here, well, that's aid that's exactly what is keeping u.s. out of the war in a more full fashion, allowing ukraine through the fighting for them.
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so a vital argument being made by ukraine, and deep anxiety here as to what comes next. poppy, phil. >> nick payton walsh in eastern ukraine, thank you very much. an elite university is facing new backlash over their president's testimony, big donors and alum are asking them to resign. tracking a trio of weather threats millions of americans are facing this weekend, what do you see? >> it all starts with today, the potential for strong to severe thunderstorms, the main focus today is across areas of arkansas. tomorrow, still over arkansas, but now you start to see it spread east, and also expand. the main threats here are going to be tornadoes, damaging winds and the potential for hail, we're talking cities like nashville, down to new orleans, and back to houston, and it's all thanks to this system setting up over the center of the country, that's going to bring rain from the midwest all the way down to the gulf coast, snow in the upper midwest.
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this progresses eastward, taking the heavy rain up and down the eastern seaboard wrapping up the back half of the weekend, we'll be right back after this break.
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today closes a captain for families shattered by a mass shooting at a high school outside detroit, the 17-year-old who admitted to killing four people at oxford high school two years ago will be sentenced in a matter of hours. seven people, including a teacher, were injured. this morning, ethan crumbley faces life in prison without the possibility of parole.
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and cnn's omar jimenez spoke to a father who will be in court today to face the person who murdered his son. >> every single day i have is cloudy, there's just an emptiness, a big void in your heart with family life. that's been the hardest. >> craig shilling the father of justin shilling, one of four students killed by a classmate in oxford, michigan in november 2021. justin's parents are joining the hundreds of american families who've had to meld grief with legal procedure, in this case the gunman pleaded guilty to terrorism and murder charges in october 2022, the sentence could be life without parole. the harshest penalty available in michigan. >> nothing is enough. you know, he gets to live. and my son doesn't. >> that's not enough. why is it not enough? >> i personally feel that when
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you do something like that, that you should meet the same fate. >> reporter: in some of shilling's final moments he was hiding in a bathroom with another student, key began gregory, who was texting his family in realtime. he killed him, omfg, gregory ran and survived. >> the day he came home he sat with us and he said i shouldn't have left him, but there's nothing he could have done. >> reporter: the shooter himself, of course, you feel there are others that need to be held accountable? >> i cannot let it go. >> reporter: while the sentencing in the criminal case is one major thing these families are dealing with they've filed civil lawsuits because they believe the school and employees should have done more to stop this from happening in the first place. and an independent report commissioned by the oxford board of education found in part that had proper threat assessment guidelines been in place and district threat assessment
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policy followed this tragedy was avoidable. >> what we do in civil law is we go after everybody who's culpable. their own paid-for report says they screwed up and could have prevented the shooting. >> reporter: but in march a state judge sided with the oxford school district, ruling it was protected by governmental immunity, the families are appealing. the last time his father saw the shooter in court he had to restrain himself. >> i just wanted to jump the benches, i know that's not right. >> you know i wouldn't say that i ever will forgive him and i don't think i'm required to, you know, being in the courtroom with the person that murdered my son. but i have to accept that this has happened. >> omar jimenez, cnn, oxford, michigan. our thanks to omar for that important report. the last jobs report of the year is about to come out, what it could reveal as the holiday
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shopping season starts to ramp up. >> but this man probably doesn't need a job, that is wayne murray from new york city, won $10 million from a scratchoff ticket again? he did it last year too. the new york lottery says he took the lump sum, leaving him with about $6 after tax. well, merry christmas to you, wayne.
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breaking overnight, two rockets hit the u.s. embassy in baghdad causing minor damage but no casualties, no group has claimed responsibility as of yet, but it's believed iranian-backed militias -- regular fire due to washington's support for israel, meanwhile, new images of a mass detention in gaza by the israeli military,
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dozens of men stripped to their underwear and wearing blindfolds, exact dates and circumstances are not clear. family members have confirmed some of the men are civilians with no known affiliation to militant groups, the idf has not responded to cnn's request for comment. police say they have a man in custody after he allegedly fired a shotgun in front of a synagogue, in albany, new york, it happened yesterday just hours before the official start of hanukkah. the officials say this is being investigated as a hate crime. >> we were told by responding officers that he made a comment, free palestine. >> polo sandoval joining us with that reporting hours before they light the first candle for the night of hanukkah. >> and fortunately there were no injuries reported, but the new york governor kathy hochul said yesterday this has shaken the jewish community in albany, especially as families were getting ready to begin the celebration of hanukkah.
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here's what police are telling us right now about this investigation, saying a 28-year-old local man with a shotgun fired at least two times outside of temple, israel, a synagogue just west of downtown albany, police chief eric hawkings you just heard from there saying that during this whole incident, potentially after he was being detained the suspect that he said free palestine. that statement combined with the use of that firearm, one of the reasons police are now investigating this as a hate crime. kathy hochul, for her part, strongly condemning this, especially since families were, as we just said, really getting ready to come together to celebrate hanukkah. this is what she said yesterday. >> the fear that it has wreaked, the fear, the anxiety it's caused, i know a lot of people are feeling really shaken right now. and september is one of multiple synagogues targeted with bomb threats. and now to know there's an individual who literally brought a gun, a loaded weapon, to their premises shakes people to their core. >> hoping to reassure the
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community, hochul ordering the new york state police p also the narc guard to increase their patrols at potential at-risk sites, jewish community centers, and synagogues as well, this would be on top of that boosting of security that we saw play out, just after the october 7th attacks, especially in light of the recent spike in anti-semitic and islamophobic attacks. the suspect is expected to make an initial appearance later today and facing weapons charges and potentially more. >> polo, thank you very much for the reporting. this morning, pressure is intensifying for the university of pennsylvania president liz mcgill to step down over her widely criticized congressional testimony on anti-semitism. the advisory board for penn's wharton business school and u.s. ambassador john huntsman want her to resign. in a letter last night the wharton advisers write they are, quote, deeply concerned in the dangerous and toxic culture on our campus that's been led by a select group of students and faculty, and has been permitted by university leadership.
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that backlash comes even after mcgill issued a statement on wednesday trying to clarify the dodging of questions about whether students should be disciplined for calling for the genocide of jews. >> the controversy could now cost upenn a significant amount of money. cnn's reporting is that one alum is threatening to pull $100 million in a planned donation, if mcgill stays as president. dan senor is with us, he's an adviser in the george w. bush administration, also the author of a fascinating book, the genius of israel, dan, welcome. i wonder if we have -- do we have this clarification to play? i just would like your take on liz mcgill. let's play that and get your take. >> in that moment i was focused on our university's long standing policies aligned with the u.s. constitution which say that speech alone is not punishable. i was not focused on, but i should have been, the
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irrefutable fact that a call for genocide of jewish people is a call for some of the most terrible violence human beings can perpetrate. >> she is in the spotlight now, but this is emblematic of something bigger going on at america's universities. >> yeah, it's bigger than even universities, there's been this -- we just heard in this report just now there's a wave of anti-semitism sweeping the country, some of it is violent, and the flash point for a lot of it has been that some of america's top colleges. it pre-dated october 7th. so in what -- why magill is under particular pressure she mishandled a similar situation prior to october 7th. and then october 7th happened and then the jewish community around the world and the united states thought the outrage would be directed at those who were committing the slaughtering. >> at the terror groups. >> they didn't think the outrage would be directed at jews who objected to being slaughtered. and on these campuses, the outrage was being directed at
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jews, at jewish students, there was abuse, there was harassment, in some cases there was violence. and the leaderships of these universities, and in fairness it wasn't just these three. thee these three were the ones whose presidents testified. >> columbia. >> cornell, a number of them, and more universities will be in the spotlight. >> what was so striking about this moment, i think we've all talked about it, where you kind of saw the response to it, i wasn't watching it live, and i thought, all right, there must be something missing there. then you realize, no, that's as bad as you think it is, and the condemnation was universal across party lines, and unequivocal. my question, though, is free speech on campus, this could be a slippery slope depending on how you address these issues. and i think the bigger thing i'm trying to figure out, is this a free speech issue or is this a lack of enforcement of rules of conduct on campus that is the issue here? >> there's two issues. one, students who enroll in a university should have a sense that the university has its back
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in terms of its personal safety. jewish students today on american, especially elite college campuses, simply do not feel safe. it's not just harassment and abuse. in some cases it is erupted into violence, it certainly has disrupted classroom learning. one is just a basic safety issue. secondly, to your point, is either selective enforcement or selective interpretation. to, at harvard university, and at penn, you know, misgendering, misusing pronouns is considered a form of abuse. so how is misusing a pronoun, literally explicitly defined as a form of abuse that has to be dealt with by the administration, by using language that incites genocide is not? that's the double standard. why for some groups -- one test, and this came up in the hearing, one test is to take any other minority group, and insert them into the language that is being used against the jews on these campuses and ask the question, would it be tolerated? go ahead. >> i don't mean to -- i just keep wondering what's an example
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of how it could be done well and appropriately, where you maintain the free speech that is so crucial for college campuses, right? while also protecting these students being very clear where the lines are, being very clear on policy, can two things be done at the same time well? >> first of all, it often comes down to just the selection of the language. one could be critical of a government's policies, one could be critical of israeli government's policy, one could be i disagree with it but it's legitimate to have a debate on whether israel's response is disproportionate. globalize the entefada, not just jews in israel, go after to jews everywhere, from the river to the sea, that means wiping out jews. >> you mean students on campus, not the presidents. >> the presidents are not using that language, the presidents are using a blind eye.
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from the river to the sea is about wiping out the jews from the jordan river to the mediterranean. this is language that is so clearly defined as about causing mass violence if not the murder of a large group, if not an entire group, of a people, many of whom are represented on that campus, that starts to feel unsafe, especially when it's coupled with this violent disruption of learning in classroom life. i mean, at harvard you had that one jewish student who was walking by some rally and there's video of it, and a group of students who were in the protest against israel starts surrounding this jewish student, clearly a jewish student and they just started with taunting him and then it got violent. that was in the context of a -- well, it could have been a political expression of free speech that just turned violent. >> can i just ask, i've seen this playbook before, not playbook, this kind of pathway, is there any way this president is in her role on monday?
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>> i do not think so. i think she -- again, she had problems on this issue before october 7th. october 7th took it to another level and she so mishandled the congressional testimony i don't think she survives. i think she's gone this weekend. >> dan, thank you very much, we'll stay on this. new cnn exclusive reporting, one of the architects of donald trump's plot to overturn the 2020 election is cooperating with investigators in other states. we'll have more. stay with us.
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to sports this morning, it's hard to make history after 124 days. you're supposed to read the rest. >> i'm very biased. i lived in west point for much of my years. kickoff at 3:00 p.m. eastern, at a place the game has never been played before. coy wire is live from boston, coy, history, but i love this game every year. what should we expect? >> yes, it's a beautiful 25-degree morning here at the long wharf in boston. the iconic army-navy game is
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played in new england first time ever, at the home of the new england patriots. it's arguably the greatest rivalry in all of american sports. yes, the rivalry dates back to 1897, but america's game featuring the future defenders of our nation dates back to 1890, 18 wins separating them. we ask the both sides what the ri rivalry is all about. >> we're two institutions that represent the entirety of america. it's super special. as much as people say brothers in arms, we're playing hard, playing to win. >> this one has deeper of a meaning and that's truly special. >> ten sitting u.s. presidents have attended the army-navy game, so much more than just a game, phil and poppy, the iconic
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rose bowl in college, nothing as magical as this, the traditions, the pageantry, the passion and respect make it one of the greatest rivalries in the world, kickoff is tomorrow at 3:00 eastern. >> i love that. i have never gone, and i want to go. are you going? >> not this year. >> can we go next year, bring the kids? >> coy, you're coming too, thank you. >> thanks, buddy. cnn this morning continues right now. criminal charges, accuses hunter biden of evading federal taxes on millions of dollars. >> nine counts, they have filed alleging that he engaged in a four-year scheme. >> now we're into felonies. the stakes are much higher. donald trump's return to his high-stake new york civil fraud trial. >> this witness was unequivocal in giving donald trump exactly what he wanted to hear. >> a campaign stop when he does take the stand again. >> a political witch hunt meant to influence an election. stark images of dozens

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